suggestions-discussion

[violet pivot]

there are not many bows that can home in enemies so its not a bad idea

[grave zinc]

@vestal void - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add a "Guaranteed" Bee hive spawn to the Jungle Bio-Center Lab]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@lavish cloak - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Astrum Deus spawn from the Sky when using Beacon]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@subtle sapphire - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add more Mage accessories in the lategame]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@sinful steeple - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add noticeable phase transitions to Hive Mind, Cryogen and Calamitas]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@autumn canyon - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Starlight (EoL sword) true melee.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@drowsy plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make it so ???, Hive Cyst, and Perforator Cyst can't be killed by Falling Stars to prevent unintentional Boss Fights.]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@north cypress - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Yharon's background more appealing (via adding an object like a custom giant warm-colored sun)]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@small timber - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Avenger Emblem Grant 15% (instead of 12%) Increased Damage Just Like Class Emblem]

It has been reviewed by the devs, and for one reason or another they decided it would be best not to implement it.
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@tulip parcel - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Adjust the Dark Spark in some manner to make it more satisfying to get/stand-out]

It has been voted upon, and the devs decided it would be a good idea to implement it. This doesn't guarantee implementation, as plans may change/alternate plans may be made, but it does highly improve chances!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[tulip parcel]

Reading this now I realize that yharim's crystal also makes lightsaber noises

for some reason I remembered it sounding way different and now feel stupid

[subtle sapphire]

Woo, more mage accessories are coming ! I wonder which update will add them. I doubt the devs can design and test them for the next update

[narrow otter]

Yippee my suggestion got 200 votes :)

[true inlet]

@unique vector or @dapper coral Nsfw discord in sugg posts

[swift frigate]

best suggestion yet

[true inlet]

[dapper coral]

gone

[cobalt pewter]

that could be for an arrow type instead tbh

but for bows, just go back to good ole charging with bows by pulling the drawstring

it doesn't have to be lifelike, but it's stupid when Tsunami fucking spams arrows ar unreasonable rate lmao

though that's probably too much work to implement to vanills bows idk

(work including the balance, which the testers will definitely have a fun time with)

[hot zephyr]

overhaul moment

[gray nebula]

STOP ASKING FOR MECHANICS TO BE BLANKET THROWN ON WHOLEASS WEAPON GROUPS

man

just ask for a few weapons that use the gimmick

its just cooler this way and wayyyy less effort

[crude geode]

Alternatively just don’t give Ranger anything unique

[swift wharf]

TRUE

[gray nebula]

true

but its cooler to give each weapon something unique instead of doing a single mechanic over the whoel class

[fossil finch]

Why not both (comically large scope

[swift wharf]

the quirkiness cancels out

[small timber]

ranger dont need unique mechanic, they just need more ammo :clueless:

[fossil finch]

It doesn't actually

The quirkiness cancels out when you have the blanket mechanic without more special uniqueness between weapons

Of course it just so happens it's a comically large scope to make a game that fits both properly

[fair stump]

ik finally it will be so nice

[swift wharf]

auric toilet was a mistake.

[ruby sentinel]

Well you just gotta find someone who REALLY likes toilets

[swift wharf]

just 1.4

toilets are fine for furniture

[plain olive]

shout out to cactus toilet

[swift wharf]

but terraria devs are like

haha funny poo joke!!!!!

peak calamity fan humor

no we don't

[small timber]

@open comet that sounds like a bug so probably go to #bugs-read-pins instead

(basically suggestions dont handle bugs)

[gray nebula]

pumpler is bugged

it can and will harm anything

[swift wharf]

good
very good.

[subtle sapphire]

Stealth only on some weapon on next update then ? :P

[fossil finch]

crying seething coping

[drowsy plank]

add mechanic to ranger where when you use ranged weapon it fires a projectile that deals ranged damage

[subtle sapphire]

too complex, too gimmicky, will only be added to 2 and a half weapons tops

[gray nebula]

💀

[ashen warren]

What ya think of storm ruler upgrading to "Cosmic storm"

Haven't though of how it work though so will give it time

Got it from "A Cosmic Storm: When Galaxy Clusters Collide"

Article

[eternal escarp]

you cant make specific item suggestions

so dont bother about it

[hollow shell]

byeah
Can't ask for a new item that has a specific name of your choosing

Unless, I guess, you come up with a very good reason why this proposed new item should have that specific name, as opposed to any other name

That adding a new item with this name would be a benefit to the mod

[tardy smelt]

Keep away from small children

[drowsy plank]

me blowing up the angler 18 times in a row with my pumpler

[grim tusk]

I heavily agree Iban

[grave zinc]

@oak pecan - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Add Walls for Acid wood]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

no way

[crude geode]

Wow this was totally unexpected

[narrow otter]

best suggestion every omg

i completely forgot there was no acid wall

and fence

[solemn dust]

Thank god i can build with acidwood

[drowsy plank]

it's been 5000 years...

[crude geode]

@hollow shell spam

[hollow shell]

Death

[inner anvil]

@hollow shell Spam x2.

[fossil mural]

Bunch of spam in the last 20 minutes

[oak pecan]

yay i did it

[unborn oriole]

@cedar glacier you need to argument your suggestion properly, and separate the body from a header, with shift + enter

[fossil mural]

xl worlds are an external mod, why would calamity interact with them at all

[crude geode]

me when calamity doesn't work with external mods

[unborn oriole]

Calamity players when they can't play their mod with 8 367 external mods so they can end their playthroughs in 6 minutes

[cedar glacier]

I'm just saying it would be cool

[crude geode]

it would be cool is not good reasoning

[royal tapir]

pushpin emoji

[proud quest]

they should add briny baron upgrade

its a really fun weapon

like maybe a post yharon version

[fossil finch]

We should remove or rework briny baron completely

[swift wharf]

briny baron is GOOD

(but a rework would be nice cuz it's not that cool)

[proud quest]

its fun tho 😦

just install the weapon swing mod

enhanced

[crude geode]

“Just install a different mod to make this weapon good”

Byeah briny baron is just kinda generic ngl. it’s just “true melee left click, ranged right click” with not a whole lot going on

[proud quest]

what else can you even add

[crude geode]

You could make it focus on one or the other instead

[proud quest]

why

i dont want another ark sword

ark sword is shit now

if u rework this one into being true melee and projectile the dps gonna go to shit like ark

[hot zephyr]

[crude geode]

lol

[proud quest]

am i wrong bruh

[hot zephyr]

Yeah

[proud quest]

bro how

[fossil finch]

By being wrong

[proud quest]

stfu

briny baron my beloved

[fossil finch]

ok

Anyways yeah ark has comically high dps

You just need neurons

Like 2 of them

[hot zephyr]

both the melee legendaries suck

[proud quest]

ive never used ark bcuz dps was bad

[drowsy plank]

ark over here overtuned as hell and this dude just admitting he has a skill issue because he thinks it's bad

[fossil finch]

You're just bad

[crude geode]

Dps fans when dps isn’t the only factor in a weapon’s viability

[proud quest]

plus compared to the summoner class its bad

nerf summoner

[proud quest]

youre right you gotta go close to an enemy to have moderate dps i forgot

[drowsy plank]

guys can you believe the class that had (effectively) an entirely new mechanic added to it this update which the devs havent had time to adjust for is overperforming

[hot zephyr]

krill issue

[proud quest]

this is before 1.4

[drowsy plank]

i think you are just Bad At Melee

[proud quest]

bro

i got 40k dps pre scal on summoner and 20k melee

[crude geode]

I’m pretty sure we found the least dedicated cal fan “weapon tester”

[fossil finch]

Anyways briny baron being briny baron will definitely get eventually reworked so we may rest in peace

[proud quest]

briny baron is my child

[fossil finch]

he's not

[crude geode]

Infanticide time

[fossil finch]

He never recognized you as a father

It's always been a lie

[proud quest]

did she cheat on me again

[fossil finch]

she doesn't exist

It's also a lie

[proud quest]

nnnno bitches???!@?

[fossil finch]

Anyways people that get overattached to weapons are so funny like what are you expecting

[proud quest]

briny baron funny

[crude geode]

Shortsword fans be like

[proud quest]

you know what DOES need fixing?

seismic hampick

[fossil finch]

exactly briny baron

[proud quest]

tell me why hampick doesnt let me hold the hammer button

worst pickaxe

i have to click each wall individually

and its even slower than wooden hammer

[fossil finch]

Then use something else

👍

[hollow shell]

Its hammer mainly exists for sloping

However the wall-breaking aspect if it has been brought up as an issue before

[hot zephyr]

there's weapons that need love waaaaaaay before briny baron

and out of the melee legendaries I don't think it's the worst

function-wise

[unborn oriole]

Briny baron is ok

[proud quest]

damn are they planning on fixing

[unborn oriole]

Not the best option, not the coolest, but very viable and useful for crowd control, deus and ravager

[proud quest]

i can say the same about briny baron

[crude geode]

God I love Yharim’s Crystal being copy paste last prism

[unborn oriole]

But fr tho i rather use Fallen Paladin

[proud quest]

fallen paladin is close range and has bad dps

sadly

[unborn oriole]

Bad dps?

[proud quest]

ye i had better dps on yharim sword

[unborn oriole]

Bruh have you even used it?

[proud quest]

and briny baron

[proud quest]

yes

like 1200 on bosses

[unborn oriole]

Lmao

[hollow shell]

There's weird technical problems involved in having a hammer on right click
Right clicks do not function equally well to left clicks in Terraria, in fact they were much more limited up until recently when we made some breakthroughs

[proud quest]

i got like 1600 on other bosses

[unborn oriole]

It's like, awesome for many things

[proud quest]

damn

[gray nebula]

"breakthroughs" aka not relying on vanilla code so hard

xdxdxddxd

[crude geode]

[proud quest]

crowd control crowd control and crowd control

[gray nebula]

tho hampick has bugs? damn

[hollow shell]

I don't know if Seismic Hampick will be fixed using these new techniques but it could be

[drowsy plank]

if i remember vanilla used to have a hampick and then they removed it right

[gray nebula]

not with the channeled right clicks

[proud quest]

ye

[gray nebula]

must have missed it when doing the right click fixes for other stuff

[proud quest]

yeah its slower than every hammer so far

in the game

[unborn oriole]

Goes through walls, crowd control, shreds Ravager amd deus, solid option for moonman, and good when you run out of any light source somehow

[hollow shell]

Both functions were on left-click and it was back in 1.1 before slopes existed iirc

[drowsy plank]

damn

[gray nebula]

ah that might be an XD moment

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message
Shoutouts to 🛠️

[proud quest]

but what about for duke fishron and lunatic cultist

[gray nebula]

Unfortunatelyyy yharims crystal is : yharims crystal

better luck next time

!

its a dedicated item to yharim

[crude geode]

Damn Yharim donating

[gray nebula]

armors & sets take priority

and then i hide an OP "burnout" dev item thats ss hidden even from other devs

[fossil finch]

You can't because its not the same situation

[unborn oriole]

Good for dealing with duke's bubbles, also good on LC

[fossil finch]

Anyways yharim crystal is so funny

[proud quest]

dukes bubbles were never really a problem for me tbh

[unborn oriole]

But i gotta say, there are, indeed, better options

Such as for example, the Martian invasion sword, Scoria lance and Omniblade

[drowsy plank]

man

can't wait for next update where the biome mimic accessories are transmutable

5% of my quiver damage is locked behind an item i physically cannot get lmfao

[grave zinc]

@runic wraith - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[make decrypted schematics]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

[drowsy plank]

woo

[proud quest]

whats this

[hollow shell]

wdym

[proud quest]

nvm i understand it

[hollow shell]

Alright

[runic wraith]

YOOOO

The one and only thing I'm leaving as a legacy

[grave zinc]

@tight hill - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make Queen Slime drop souls of light.]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[swift wharf]

BASED

[grave zinc]

@night jolt - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Properly Decrypt the schematics after putting them into the Codebreaker]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[zenith hazel]

^ both were basically suggesting the same thing

[night jolt]

Based

[tight hill]

damn bro

pog

[small timber]

isnt golem even easier if you destroy the head first?

[swift wharf]

yes

but I think they mean making the fight continue after you kill the body but not the head

[grim tusk]

Idk why people want bosses to be stupidly insanely hard

Just use higher difficulties

And if its still easy, good for you then

[drowsy plank]

all true statements, but i think they were saying to make the body immune until you kill the head

which like

why

[grim tusk]

This

[hollow shell]

They propose both as possibilities in their suggestion

"My suggestion is to make it so you HAVE to kill the Golem's head- either by making it so his body is invulnerable until you do, the same way Skeletron/Skeletron Prime/Etc. works, or by making it so the other enrages and stays alive when you kill one, so killing the body leaves an angrier head alive."

[swift wharf]

go on, keep trying
you can't make golem hard

[grim tusk]

Emode/Maso and Infernum

[drowsy plank]

ill be honest, while fighting him inside the arena, with the bouncing fireballs and the inferno fork like explosions he's actually a fairly hard boss

[grim tusk]

But yea Golem is fine as he is on Cal

[drowsy plank]

nothing crazy but respectable

[small timber]

I mean emode/maso and infernum are probably closer to like complete redesign

[grim tusk]

If you want golem to be hard as shit go for those 2 mods

[swift wharf]

I haven't reached infernum golem yet

🤫

[small timber]

I do think with malice remove, death mode need to be harder though

not like, malice unfair hard, but harder

at least mechanically

[drowsy plank]

obvs what we need is malice golem- oh wait

i guess

a couple new AI changes would be cool since rn in death it's mostly just stat adjustments but

eh

idc either way

by "stat adjustments" i mean repeating or speeding up existing actions, not like. increasing HP and damage

[grim tusk]

Now with Malice dead we can focus more on that

[small timber]

ya, it is actually a good thing

I actually liked a lot of malice change, but the part I dont like is how they always must be coupled with unfair proj or move speed because it is malice

[drowsy plank]

damn calamity lets KS spawn rainbow slimes in the rain or in malice

those are almost as threating as the entire boss alone

[small timber]

(I mean not 'every' malice change)

[drowsy plank]

i know i was just seeing how many new AI things were added to malice

[small timber]

if say just like mother slime I think it is much more acceptable, but ya AI change preferably

[drowsy plank]

wait WoF death sickles were a malice thing? ive definitely seen them in death mode

[swift wharf]

Rev too I think

Wtf

[small timber]

I think a lot of the wiki (even wiki.gg) malice changes are outdated, assuming because wiki admins are told malice are going to be removed beforehand

[hollow shell]

mm well probably not actually

It was only decided to be removed relatively recently

[small timber]

(but ya, I just see malice DoG wiki say 4 lasers instead of 3, which is before the rework so I assumed that)

[hollow shell]

The fact that it's gonna get removed certainly doesn't help motivation to make corrections now.

[proud quest]

will dog get a rework with his new resprite

i really hope he gets some sick new lasers

[teal hill]

They need to fix the ravager despawn bug

[proud quest]

or attacks

[hollow shell]

Too far off to say

[orchid cairn]

im literally on death mode

the only higher difficulty than that is about to be removed

[grim tusk]

Good for you

[orchid cairn]

????

im just saying golem is way too easy for where he is in progression

plantera is way harder, leviathan is way harder, astrum aureus is way harder, plaguebringer goliath is way harder, ravager is way harder

golem is a joke

[grim tusk]

Listen bud, I find Old Duke a joke. Does he mean is a joke? No, people have different perspectives on whats hard or not, some people find some bosses very easy, others a nightmare

Also Golem is not helped by the fact that you have to fight it inside a cramped space

And ofc the fight needs to be made considering that

[hollow shell]

Well that's why Stars exist for suggestions, eh?

[grim tusk]

:true:

[novel belfry]

calamity does make the "cramped" space much less cramped

and i do believe that golem is very easy

[grim tusk]

The bouncing fireballs still hit like a truck and are annoying tbh

Maybe Golem could get an hp increase

[novel belfry]

sure, he's got that, but not much else

[grim tusk]

But AI wise he’s fine, making it have more stuff in such a limited space is not very fair is it

[hollow shell]

It'll be fair if we design it well.

[grim tusk]

If Fab feels like Golem needs tweaks he could do something

[novel belfry]

i mean, he's apparently the one that does the bosses

[grim tusk]

But I have not seen him have issues with it

[crude geode]

The sugg is valid storm

Subjective but valid

[grim tusk]

Maybe Im just overthinking stuff

[hollow shell]

The sugg could be generalized more into just asking for a buff without saying how

But it's still okay as-is

[sinful steeple]

honestly i feel like golem's difficulty is good as is

[crude geode]

Then don’t vote for it

[sinful steeple]

beating it second try doesn't sound very anticlimactic, it just seems like the person making the suggestion took an overly long time with aureus

that boss does give a lot of people trouble

[drowsy plank]

aureus's jumps kinda jank this update anyway

[hollow shell]

@raw crystal This is the channel you use to comment on suggestions

And yes those potions are more powerful defense potions

But the suggestion was thinking more in line with our direct upgrades to Rage and Wrath, ones that cannot be stacked with their predecessors

[dreamy burrow]

Ok so like, does the #suggestions-posting count for suggestions regarding the wiki to?

if not, where would I go to bring up a suggestion regarding the wiki 👀

[small timber]

ya basically just "upgraded ironskin", nothing else

titan skin, yharim stim are more of a unique potion that offer more utility than just defense, the suggestion was about "make ironskin stronger by providing upgrades to it", and only ironskin

[hollow shell]

Simply request them in #wiki-discussion

[dreamy burrow]

ahh alright thank you

[hollow shell]

There's no formal submission process like suggs or moderator stuff

[dreamy burrow]

I was pretty sure this wasn't the right place, but I just woke up and couldn't tell what was lol

[hollow shell]

Fair enough

[novel belfry]

@raw crystal talk about suggs here

not in #suggestions-posting

[small timber]

and ^ , regarding your question

[hot zephyr]

alternatively

remove the interaction between silva and draconic elixir

[gaunt tiger]

silva revive is busted

or at the very least very strong

[hot zephyr]

@karmic light Have you read through the suggestions guideline?

[karmic light]

A while ago, but I perhaps forgotten some of them.

[hot zephyr]

This might be too big in scale tbh, but we'll have to wait until Rover gets on.

[karmic light]

I do apologize about that, I just wanted for our reward for beating ML to be something substantial than nothing at all. This was what I thought up of. As a way to introduce a new meter for post-ML which has its own risk/reward style in rev+ and to teach newer players about how bars work before they go to rev+ if they are only doing basic expert/normal.

[hot zephyr]

It's nbd

[karmic light]

Most people who play Calamity would do non-rev to get their feet wet with the bosses first, and I figured we could turn it into something.

[dire mural]

golem and cultist are definitely pushovers

[karmic light]

mb mb, but what are your thoughts on the idea of master-mode onion doing something?

[dire mural]

it should definitely do SOMETHING

extra slot isnt necessary at least rn far as im aware

[karmic light]

And that wasn't what I thought of either.

[distant gyro]

master mode onion has historically been shotdown

the most likely outcome is that onion no longer drops in master

[dire mural]

i feel like thats kinda lame

could just have it empower accessory slots

[karmic light]

It would be lame (make it into some sort of crafting ingredient for master only worlds)

[dire mural]

idk exactly how it could do that but i think it could do something where its moved to post idk, yharon

and empowers accessories

[distant gyro]

there has been an ongoing theme of discouraging players for playing master mode

[dire mural]

yeah at least make it do something even if its just a crafting thing

[distant gyro]

because no work is going to be done on it other than +50% health, +50% damage, etc

[karmic light]

The suggestion I posted is about introducing a new meter.

[dire mural]

well, they could remove it from master mode, put it in revengeance mode from yharon or something, and if they dont want it to do anything in regards to battle, could just have it be a crafting recipe for an end game item later down the road

[karmic light]

Yeah, a crafting ingredient that only works in master mode could be fine.

[dire mural]

eh

if they dont want people to do master mode for any reason but the challenge

remove it from mm and put it as a revengeance drop from yharon

and its either some sort of accessory empower or apart of a late game crafting recipe

[karmic light]

Or perhaps make it an accessory that works in master mode:
50% damage buff
50 damage penetration
-50% defense
-50% damage reduction

Turn into the ultimate glass cannon.

[safe oasis]

that's not even a glass cannon that's just glass

[dire mural]

they dont want people to do calamity in master mode except for the challenge

[karmic light]

Me rn at DoG in master-revengrance like 💀

[dire mural]

so its clear theyre going to remove it at this rate unless they can put it in revengeance mode or something as something

yeah that is definitely not enough of a pro to outweigh the cons

[distant gyro]

master mode is like small world

[safe oasis]

i thought shroom buff got deleted

maybe i'm just dumb

[distant gyro]

it's possible to click the button

don't expect anything out of it

[karmic light]

Nah, shroom is still around

Turn the onion into a tool that throws larger than dynamite explosives that destroys blocks.

B)

[dire mural]

theres so much the can do with the celestial onion that isnt an accessory slot

[karmic light]

.

[dire mural]

celestial onion throws a giant onion that creates block evaporating fumes

[karmic light]

^

[dire mural]

cannot be used near a friendly npc

there

[karmic light]

I like the idea, and perhaps make it so it only throws bombs in master mode.

[dire mural]

like theres a lot they can do with the celestial onion, if they want it removed from master mode it can be an end game item from yharon or some such

[karmic light]

Exhume it, and the explosions destroy all the npcs and have 3x larger radius. O_o

[dire mural]

either a crafting recipe

a block destroyer

ana ccessory amplifier

like it makes your slots make accessories 15% more potent

[karmic light]

Idk about the accessory amplifier (that'd feel too stronk). But I agree with the first two.

[dire mural]

i mean, this'd be a late game item

[karmic light]

It should still be ml drop though

[dire mural]

mmm

5% then

[karmic light]

But it can CRAFT into the new accessory amp

How about that?

[dire mural]

hmmm

i like that

i like the idea of the onion being used for crafting of something end game

[karmic light]

Meanwhile, the weaker one can throw world eating bombs.

[dire mural]

not world eating

but

yeah i getya

[dreamy burrow]

Or like, have it also act as a permanent hp/mana buff alongside extra acc slot

so if you already have that 7th slot, it still does something worthwhile

[dire mural]

they dont want an extra accessory slot

thats been hard confirmed

[karmic light]

Extra acc is not possible in master

[dreamy burrow]

No I mean

I'm playing master right now and that onion is useless to me

[dire mural]

yeah well im suggesting removing it form master

since they dont want master to be anything except a challenge inc

[karmic light]

I'm suggesting giving it a use

[dire mural]

im giving it a balanced usage if it was removed from master mode and made a revengeance drop

like the permanent rage and adrenaline/etc

[karmic light]

Aren't the best block destroying explosive the celebration mk.2 or am I forgetting something here?

[dire mural]

crystyl crusher

[karmic light]

But that's a pickaxe, not explosive.

[dreamy burrow]

I think it'd be weird if a drop was made unavailable specifically in master mode, especially if it's the boss' guarunteed drop

[dire mural]

well

maybe it still does nothing in master mode

but itd do something in revengeance mode expert

[karmic light]

I like the idea of super powerful explosive onion that destroys a huge chunk of the area (would a 50 tile radius sound good?). The explosion which only works in master mode.

[dreamy burrow]

why not a hp buff, a little boost to help prepare the player for the post moonlord difficulty

[dire mural]

idk how big 50 tiles is

[karmic light]

Uh...

[dire mural]

we have the fruits

[karmic light]

50 tiles radius is decently sized.

[dreamy burrow]

an onion is... almost a fruit

[dire mural]

i feel like 50 mana/hp is kinda a lazy way to go about it

[dreamy burrow]

Why is lazy bad?

[dire mural]

since we already have so amny of those

lazy isnt inherently bad but its kinda like

"missing an opportunity"

[dreamy burrow]

If something is easy to implement and would ultimately be a positive influence

[dire mural]

i guess

lemme check

[karmic light]

Dynamite itself does 7 blocks, maybe we should bump that radius down to about 25

[dire mural]

well

i guess the onion could be multiple things

thatd be unique

the onion could be more then one drop too

to go along with that

the issue is is that we have a fruit right after the moon lord

[dreamy burrow]

ngl those fruits are kinda underwhelming

[dire mural]

i mean

its 100 hp extra its nothing to scoff at

25 hp has mattered quite a bit to me

lmao

[dreamy burrow]

It's not bad

[dire mural]

but yeah, they dont do anything besides a permanent hp buff

its why i dont want the celestial onion to be that

or at least just that

[dreamy burrow]

it's just with how big of a gap between each one, and how unnoticable 25 points is

[dire mural]

like perhaps the celestial onion is multi use

[dreamy burrow]

Or hell, why not a permanent armor buff

[dire mural]

eh

[dreamy burrow]

none of those exist

it'd be a unique reward, worthwhile of being moonlord's guarunteed drop

[dire mural]

i guess, but we dont have a good explosive esque weapon after the celebration mk2 unless you count DCU

[dreamy burrow]

why would the celestial onion (a permanent consumable buff) be made into an explosive weapon?

as opposed to adding an explosive weapon to his drop table

[dire mural]

block evaporating fumes

🤔

you throw out an onion that destroys a certain radius around it fter idk

3s

[dreamy burrow]

It'd have to craft into a different onion

[dire mural]

i mean, im down

anything to make this item not get removed

😆

[dreamy burrow]

why would it get removed

[dire mural]

its ost likely getting removed due to it just taking up space

if it doesnt have a different use decided for it

[dreamy burrow]

I feel like if it's going to be changed into something else, it'd be more reasonable for it to take a purpose roughly similar to its current one, as a consumable

just doing... something else

Less change = less confusion imo

imagine beating moonlord in a new update, you get the onion and go to use it

pow, you throw a bomb

blow up your base

especially if it's a bomb as big as you're proposing

If it stays as a consumable permanent buff, but just a different one with better functionality, that'd be a much better shift i'd say

[hot zephyr]

celestial onion will just stay as is tbh

that's the most likely outcome

[dire mural]

theres so much they could do with it honestly

legit a crafting recipe is one of the most simple

[dreamy burrow]

I wouldn't be upset if it just stays as is honestly

even if it's useless in master difficulty

[eternal escarp]

keep in mind items that take your max HP and boost it like lifeforce get affected by the bonus 25, its not that much unnoticable

[dreamy burrow]

ahh that's prolly why I never think much of it lol

[eternal escarp]

also yeah why should celestial onion become something weird and wacky
demon heart is just a consumable the same way

[neat linden]

@kindred creek as for your suggestion
DSA does increase damage taken by 15%

i don't think it ever decreased your defense by 15%

[eternal escarp]

thats quite a large downside aswell

especially since no one is nohitting and that mages can have defensive accessories and rogues arent that much behind base defense

[neat linden]

ingame tooltip, so i have no idea where the "-15% defense" came from

[sinful steeple]

doesn't rogue have like a million lifesteal items

i don't recall feeling fragile as rogue

[dreamy burrow]

Off the top of my head, I can think of one

[neat linden]

rogue is iirc comparable to ranger in terms of defense

[dreamy burrow]

plus a weapon

[neat linden]

vampiric talisman, Sacrifice being the accessory and weapon respectively?

[dreamy burrow]

I was thinking of the knives you get from moonlord which

[sinful steeple]

there's like the glove thing, vamp talisman, swore like a few weapons had lifesteal

[dreamy burrow]

technically don't actually lifesteal

[neat linden]

oh that too

[dreamy burrow]

just give you a healing buff

[neat linden]

there's also the ravager dagger

which has a chance to slice your hp

but usually just lifesteals

[dreamy burrow]

does summoner have any lifesteal?

like... at all?

[neat linden]

uhh

Dragonblood Disgorger has absolutely minimal

but does

[dreamy burrow]

I think summoner needs more defensive equipment options honestly

glass cannon is great and all but there's a soft spot in my heart for a tanky summoner

valhalla knight is a great example of it, and I really hope they remove the 50% summon dmg penalty from it

[neat linden]

maybe reduce the penalty instead

full on removal would be really strong

[dreamy burrow]

There's been accessories and armor sets that are intended for allowing summoner to be more viable as hybrid

they exempt the weapon type associated with the set from penalising summoner dmg

like the forbidden fragment set allowing you to mix magic weapons with summons without the penalty, and iirc there's an accessory that allows it for rogues too

[neat linden]

i don't remember any

i know Fearmonger reduces penalty to 25%

[dreamy burrow]

all the eternia crystal armor sets were designed with the idea of combining sentries + weapon. Valhalla knight specifically is meant to be used with melee weapons

literally hybrid armor sets

i think it sucks that they penalize you for using the weapon they were intended for alongside the sentry they were literally built around

[karmic light]

That one crabulon accessory does summon damage and has lifesteal.

It's useful until you get to hardmode.

The lifesteal options for hardmode on the other hand is non-existent.

Then the post-ml area has the dragonblood disgorger, which is post-providence.

[neat breach]

@dreamy burrow hotline fishing hook drops from leviahan and anahita, and lavaproof fishing hook can be crafted from 1 seashell and 10 hellstone bars. Is there a specific need for bleached angling kits to drop the hotline fishing hook?

[dreamy burrow]

Honestly didn't know it dropped from anahita and the leviathan

I still think the rod should be more accessable though, given its importance in a later fishing rod

Idk what the lavaproof fishing hook has to do with it

[karmic light]

Lavaproof fiahing hook basically means "there is no need to get a hotline fishing rod".

[dreamy burrow]

Yeah, I'd be content with it being neglected as a fishing rod if it wasn't a crafting material

[eternal escarp]

well its still obtainable, before scoria

so your sugg is kindof null since what you request exists in a different form

[karmic light]

Tbh? Don't bother worrying about it. Just use a lavaproof tacklebox anyway so none of your lines break and save somr bait.

[sinful steeple]

i mean honestly like hell am i fighting these two just for a fishing rod but that being said it is hard to justify it being a bleached angling kit drop

[dreamy burrow]

it's not about it being able to fish in lava

[eternal escarp]

their issue isnt lava fishing its rift reeler specifically
which either way, hotline is dropped by LnA

[karmic light]

Ah I see

Well there are better options than rift reeler.

[sinful steeple]

i'd certainly prefer if it and other higher tier fishing items were bleached angling kit drops but that's literally just because i don't want to fight levi

[dreamy burrow]

pre-moon lord?

[karmic light]

What's the rod that always has 6 hooks? I use it.

[eternal escarp]

it doesnt matter

[sinful steeple]

uelibloom rod

[eternal escarp]

if theres anything better pre moon lord or not

their concern is making Rift Reeler easier to make since it requires an item that usually is super frustrating to get

but as said, it already is easier to get in Calamity

[sinful steeple]

does bleached angling kit actually drop anything that the sandy angling kit doesn't though

[dreamy burrow]

there's like

one item difference

[eternal escarp]

higher chances + angler kit on its own

[sinful steeple]

so it is

fair enough

[dreamy burrow]

I still think it's at least worthwhile suggesting to see how other people think about it, but I will amend the suggestion to mention it can be obtained from Leviathan

since imo i'd rather it dropped from the kit than LnA

[eternal escarp]

mentioning LnA would be good, yea

[crude geode]

That seems extremely nitpicky

[eternal escarp]

(and youd need to argue why it would be better to go to the angling kit)

yeah

[karmic light]

Tbh, I had little issue killing LnA to begin with (mostly because I was after the heart of waifus, so I fought for the water waifu)

And I got hotline fishing for them.

[dreamy burrow]

granted it's a small gripe, but it's also probably a comically easy change to do (removing from one loot table, adding to another)

[karmic light]

From*

[eternal escarp]

the fact the change is easy doesnt mean you dont need to argue as to why it needs to be moved, tbf

[karmic light]

The problem about it is that the rod has 45% base power. That is a lot considering vanilla's max rod powrr is 50.

[dreamy burrow]

Aye, I already edited my suggestion to mention that stuff

[karmic light]

And the next biggest on at 60% is post-providence.

[dreamy burrow]

yeah but like

how much does a fishing rod's own power actually matter, given the gear you can put on

sure a 10% is worth way less than 40%

but 40% to 45%?

[eternal escarp]

instead of slapping EDIT just edit the entire suggestion to fit

it makes it look better

[dreamy burrow]

I do plan on going back later, but I just recently woke up so my brain is still booting up

[eternal escarp]

alright

[sinful steeple]

you could probably make the argument that bleached angling kit isn't very worth it to farm since higher chances and the angling kit aren't enough to justify going for it over sandy angling kit since aqua scourge has like 60 times the health of desert scourge but i don't know if that's actually mathematically how it'd work out

[eternal escarp]

the arguement that bleached has little edge over sandy is enough, i think

[sinful steeple]

even though it's probably more of an item for consistency sake rather than supposed to be farmed for

[dreamy burrow]

I think I added that to my edit, so I just gotta work it into the suggestion itself

imo the angling kits are a godsend, and should be able to include pmuch anything from the angler (except the trophies)

I mean

maybe not the fin wings but like

(actually I don't see a huge issue with the fin wings, since you can get equivalent wings without too much difficulty either)

Suggestion wise, it'd probably be better if I change it to "Expand the drops found in angling kits"

and have that suggestion include the hotline rod

[small timber]

@kindred creek I can reconfirm the statement by Navis, it can be somewhat easily tested on a character with 0 defense with and without DSA equipped, so the downside of DSA should already be the one you listed

(there are variance like the contact damage scale with speed and 5% damage variance but ya a 100+ damage different should be noticeable, as on no DSA it dont go above 800)

(this one is with armor, if it is actually -15% defense I will only take around 40 more damage)

@jagged bone ore slimes are already doing the job, and as of currently I dont think there is need for more enemies to do it
(and if ore slimes are not working chances are if you add more mobs for it they will also not be working)

[swift wharf]

Huh

[jagged bone]

i mean they dont spawn very often

[swift wharf]

It doesn't say anything about defense

Uelibloom drops from jungle crates btw

[small timber]

they spawn very often, just you have to go to the right place

and stuff like zerg potion helps a lot

[jagged bone]

i completely forgot stuff like that thank you

[jagged bone]

thats helps a lot too ty

[small timber]

I dont remember the particular but they have things like underground, cavern, underworld, jungle spawn condition, varied depend on slime type

but ya

[jagged bone]

i remember those ty :)

[dreamy burrow]

I've rewritten my suggestion to better reflect the underlying reason I made it :)

[eternal escarp]

yeah i think thats better

[dire mural]

now that i think about it

celestial onion does have use in revengeance

it gives the 7th slot

lol

[small timber]

to make celestial onion useful in master, simply:
remove Master Mode initial slot bonus
5head

[eternal escarp]

if only it was that simple

(i think it isnt that simple)

[sinful steeple]

why does the celestial onion need a use in master mode anyway

[ruby plover]

Because people want to be more op idk

[sinful steeple]

A. moon lord already gives like 8 other rewards B. most people playing master mode are young teens with skulls full of leftover bacon grease instead of brains, i don't think they ever think about the celestial onion at all

[eternal escarp]

(it doesnt need a use)

weve had suggestions about making the onion usable in master

the outcome is very predictable

[sinful steeple]

yeah i've seen them and i'm just thinking like why

[ruby plover]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s used as an example as a frequently suggested thing in the doc

Too many too many…

[unborn oriole]

Just delete the onion and make it a garlic

[ruby plover]

We need a plethora of celestial vegetables so you can fry them with the seared pan and eat them with the utensil poker

[frozen hornet]

Gastronomy with calamity

[small timber]

make celestial onion become a food that give 30 seconds of well fed in Master Mode

perfect

[swift wharf]

just make it not drop in master

[limpid sierra]

How possible would it be to add weapon art buffs from elden ring as a side items? An example would be like Seppuku? Like reduce health gain damage, but like as an item use, not really like a consumable but, something farmed from like blood moon or something?

[small timber]

they will not

they will simply make weapons have unique skills/pattern by itself, instead of having a broad line across all the same weapon arts

[soft quest]

The extra free slot in master honesty just makes early game-early hard mode straight up easier than expert in some cases

[gaunt tiger]

if you cut the celestial onion on master mode it will make you cry

[small timber]

ya, I think cal nerfed master bosses sufficiently enough that even without the slot people will do fine

since I dont think cal master mode is straight 50% increase like it should

end game bosses too

not sure about HM

[drowsy plank]

using the celestial onion in master mode should give you half an hour of the stinky debuff and nothing else

[soft quest]

Using celestial onion should cause you to die of poison because it’s an alien fruit that most likely cannot be digested by the human GI tract

[dreamy burrow]

You should see half the stuff we put in potions

[small timber]

I think your title will be more fitting for "rare enemies" than minibosses

since minibosses tend to be in events, things like that
the example you listed are all spawned when nothing is going on

[dreamy burrow]

[small timber]

(since a lot of 'minibosses' are getting icon)

[strong depot]

i'm talking about any enemy with a boss healthbar

because only bosses and minibosses have those

[small timber]

ya, just things like mimics and earth/cloud elementals, while strong, are generally seen as rare enemies

but ya if you want to I guess you can keep it as it is since you do mention those examples in your suggestion

[dreamy burrow]

I'm not sure if blanket-adding map icons for minibosses is a good idea granted

[small timber]

some of those examples are fine I think?

[dreamy burrow]

that would include "hidden" minibosses, as a few have the advantage of being harder to spot

earth elementals and abyss minibosses for example

[small timber]

as long as it is not like, given to even nymph, tim, rune wizard... it should be fine

[strong depot]

i am currently struggling to find the earth elemental that just spawned

[dreamy burrow]

Those are meant to be hard to spot

they blend in with the rock until you hit them

[small timber]

I think for mimic it makes sense to have minimap icon AFTER it is aggroed, for things like earth elemental I think it is just the nature of them spawning inside blocks rather than intended

[strong depot]

then why would the healthbar pop up if you're not supposed to know where they are until hit

[small timber]

but ya, abyss enemies are completely different deal

[dreamy burrow]

iirc earth elementals also don't show when moused over the same as mimics(?)

it's been a few days since I've seen one

but I'm like 70% sure that's a thing

but I will admit, for some things (cragmaw, cloud elemental, great sand shark, armored digger) it would be real handy

[strong depot]

update: found him like a few hundred blocks away from when hespawned

update 2: moss hornet

[dreamy burrow]

that's a regular* enemy

moss hornets are lowkey kinda weird, but deffo not miniboss

[strong depot]

i died to a moss hornet

during the fight

[swift wharf]

mimics can be spawned

so I don't think they need it

earth elementals too since those little levitate towards you

[dreamy burrow]

eye of cthulhu can be spawned :^)

[swift wharf]

...and how do you even miss a sand elemental

[strong depot]

they don't

they only move when you hit them

[swift wharf]

huh

I stand corrected

[dreamy burrow]

but for real I think regular mimics shouldn't

[swift wharf]

EoC is a boss

Not a rare enemy

[strong depot]

correct

[dreamy burrow]

but the "rare" mimics should

hallowed/crimson/corrupted mimics

[swift wharf]

just craft keys

[strong depot]

that's exactly what i said

[strong depot]

you ever have one spawn in a cave

[dreamy burrow]

Those can also be forced to spawn but when you first encounter them keeping track of their movements is worth doing

[strong depot]

and then you die because they zoom out of nowhere

[dreamy burrow]

and a map icon can help that

[strong depot]

because theres no way of knowing where they are

[swift wharf]

arent those detected by lifeform analyzers

[dreamy burrow]

They spawn underground, so they could be in literally any direction

above you, below you, to either side

[swift wharf]

hunter potions?

[strong depot]

that doesnt say where they are, only that they're somewhere

[dreamy burrow]

lifeform analyzers scan off screen

and mimics spawn off screen

hunter potions would help, sure

[swift wharf]

I had more problems with regular mimics than evil ones

[dreamy burrow]

but so would the rarer mimics having a map icon

*after revealing themselves

[strong depot]

you do know that putting every obscure way to somewhat figure out where they are isn't gonna help your argument right

[swift wharf]

"obscure"

they're really not that difficult to find

[strong depot]

and plus if they're on screen enough to see with a hunter potion, they're probably zooming through blocks at you at high speed

[dreamy burrow]

It's not just about pre-emptively spotting them

otherwise, what's the point of bosses having icons

[swift wharf]

Ice golems are also extremely easy to find

[dreamy burrow]

you don't have boss icons because you don't know where the wall of flesh is tucked away

the slime king isn't exactly hiding from you

[strong depot]

i have despawned like 5 trying to kill one when i first got to hard mode because they werent on screen and i went the wrong direction to get to them

[swift wharf]

this just feels like cal players going to suggestion everytime a minor inconvenience happens but I'll leave it to voting ig

[drowsy plank]

how do you go the wrong direction fighting ice golems dont they literally shoot a laser at you from off screen

[strong depot]

if giant clam has an icon for the purpose of finding them off screen, so should other minibosses/rare enemies that spawn offscreen aswell

[drowsy plank]

clam is a weird exception, not the rule

[dreamy burrow]

map icons are useful for tracking movements, keeping an eye on them if you back up to recover anything (to make sure you're keeping a reasonable distance, not despawning or getting too close), amazing for farming rare enemies that like not announcing themselves, etc.

I do think there absolutely needs to be a drawn line (like wyverns, who's asking for a wyvern map icon fr)

but like, Dark mage and Ogre from the old one's army

[strong depot]

yeah like wyverns are going to be on your screen in mere seconds after spawning

[dreamy burrow]

they're in plain view and don't even move much

they get map icons

mothron is flying all around in a really dark solar eclipse

mothron doesn't get an icon

dreadnautilus could arguably be called "almost a boss", no map icon (at least, not that I remember)

[frail mantle]

dread has an unused trophy

which i guess says something about how close to a miniboss he is

[dreamy burrow]

His fight almost feels like a boss fight

almost

but not quite

(I mean, he has his own achievement lol)

[swift wharf]

mothron automatically targets you

[dreamy burrow]

yea so do the other examples of things that do have icons

[strong depot]

mothron is hard to see was their point

[swift wharf]

shrug

[dreamy burrow]

and also that hasn't been the criteria for "why add an icon" for a fair portion of things that have map icons

but it should be a criteria

[swift wharf]

and then we have stuff like seasoned moon bosses

wave 15+ fills your map with their icons

[sand ermine]

@glass crane Why

[glass crane]

because hes a cripple

in a flying chair

join vc 1

[sand ermine]

well thats slightly offensive

[glass crane]

thats the whole idea

[sand ermine]

calamity is quite literally the opposite of offensive tbh

[fossil mural]

What an awful suggestion

[sand ermine]

well, as in i dont find it offensive, nothing needs to be offensive in calamity

[glass crane]

its just for me tho

[sand ermine]

then get some fucked up sprite artist to mod it in for you?

[glass crane]

thats why im asking

[sand ermine]

this is not where you ask

[glass crane]

where

do i ask

[sand ermine]

somewhere which isnt here? idk

[glass crane]

ok

[sand ermine]

maybe calart? i dunno im not in there

[cobalt rose]

why are you so determined to make this happen

[glass crane]

funny monky

[cobalt rose]

i guess that explains everything

[sand ermine]

my argument is now gone

time to cope

[glass crane]

+mald+ratio+cry more+getbetter

+yourlootmyboxes+dancinginyourlootroom+beamedbymonkeygang

[sand ermine]

[glass crane]

😂

anti

[frail mantle]

[sand ermine]

argument destroyed

[glass crane]

im gonna do a run where i start with loot from post yharon and keep the same loot until i beat boss rush

can u join vc 1 and pick my stuff

[sand ermine]

no

[glass crane]

[frail mantle]

good for you but talk about it somewhere that isn't this channel

👍

go to cal talk or something

[dreamy burrow]

I don't really think adding map icons for rare enemies/minibosses would lead to the same issue of the pumpkin moon

nor do I really even think it's that much of a problem to begin with, personally

[swift wharf]

I was just mentioning the inconsistency of icons

but ig having it wouldn't hurt

or maybe something that helps finding those enemies would be nice

instead of just slapping an icon on the map

[drowsy plank]

what if there was just a red shader on the vulnerable parts

that way it doesnt need to be resprited or something but it's still obvs

plus metal gets redder as it heats up anyway so

dunno how effective that'd be tho

[hollow shell]

(grabbed from a video)
The difference looks pretty apparent to me

[fossil mural]

Ehh

[hollow shell]

@last cedar Don't post joke suggestions

[fossil mural]

In the heat of battle imho it's hard to tell

Especially if you're trying to kill him first while other are alive and focus on dodging the others

[sand ermine]

Average Calamity Mod fans

[drowsy plank]

i agree, while the difference is aparant when static, id imagine that it would actually be quite hard to see that in the middle of a fight, i think the red shader thing i suggested would help a lot, though i could see the argument that the smoke is already enough

[hollow shell]

Probably not a red shader but more of a red outline
There's not much to "shade" when its body segments are already nearly black

[fossil mural]

I think it's only really an issue when 2-3 mechs alive at the same time since that's when the fight has the most stuff flying around

So noticing some small smoke and red dots isn't always easy, at least for me

[hollow shell]

I think the testers have already looked at this specific weapon

[inner anvil]

Tic-Tac, who'll be pinged for balancing this time? :)

Oh did we? I really don't remember.

[hollow shell]

I think it was suggested by this same guy???

[inner anvil]

Yeah, it is.

And it was tested by Blast (The mod).

But I don't know which conclusion we got.

[hollow shell]

"however most of the time having just pure damage is better than having defense. That is why most people use modifiers like lucky and menacing rather than warding. This makes the item seem a bit extra and is normally not used."
???

Is your argument for this suggestion that "offensive accessories are better than defensive accessories, so this defensive accessory should be offensive instead"?

[inner anvil]

We needed to nerf Warding 2 times for a reason though.

[kindred creek]

yes

[gray nebula]

bruh suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

I don't think this guy ever plays the game

I haven't even used the item and I know it doesn't need to like

be a damage acc

[kindred creek]

literally just finished a deatj mode mage playthrough

[gray nebula]

please make a cool and unique accessory into heart of the elements : way more confusing edition

[kindred creek]

would it be better to suggest a heart of the element's upgrade?

[gray nebula]

also lol me wheb ppl say calam hates défense but when défense accs get made others say they're no t useful..

I mean

do you just want a hote upgrade

[inner anvil]

And the intent of Draedon's Heart was to be one of the best tanking accesories, just like Shattered Community is one of the best offensive accesories.

[gray nebula]

or do you just think the current draedons heart sucks

[cobalt pewter]

Average Terraria players are so hyperfixated on numbers

[kindred creek]

correct

[distant gyro]

idk hote has a lot of derivatives already

as in a summoner accessory for the purpose of summoning a minion

[gray nebula]

yea

[distant gyro]

mutated truffle does that, and it sucks

[gray nebula]

• imagine the screen clutter lmfao

[kindred creek]

aight, ill rework the suggestion

[cobalt pewter]

HotE should make a single amalgamation of all the elementals, that'd be funny

[distant gyro]

psa also does that but also it does a few more

it would be ideal to not rehash fungal clump and mutated truffle for

[cobalt pewter]

when cal is going towards higher quality over quantity, I feel like they should normalize making design derivatives to the combined stuff instead of them just being in a single acc

[distant gyro]

<insert boss(es) are now your minions>

: the drop

[cobalt pewter]

like HotE could easily work as just a single minion instead of

5?

less clutter and it'd be functionally the same anyways

[gray nebula]

I mean it's the whole selling point of hote

it's the funny harem accessory

I mean tbh make it a pet problem solved

[cobalt pewter]

TRUE

[gray nebula]

Good night

[cobalt pewter]

a mimir

[unborn oriole]

HotE is litterally a "Oh wow, now you get bitches!"

[hot zephyr]

nothing can ever be a unique one off

it must have 100000 upgrades and be present throughout the entire game!!!

[honest apex]

[hot zephyr]

hote wouldn't exist if it wasn't created ages ago

[small timber]

obligatory

[hot zephyr]

tbh I wish HoTE ceased to exist
then the elemental accessories on their own could be changed into something more unique

[cobalt pewter]

the outrage would be bountiful at least

but I kinda wanna see it

[small timber]

I mean it will be a one-off outrage, just remove them 1 time and dont worry about the for the rest of the mod lifetime

[hot zephyr]

imagine the elementals being mutually exclusive, you could only equip one at a time but they'd be very powerful summoner accessories
sort of like playing a D&D warlock and having a patron

[small timber]

same with muramasa (if to remove it)

[hot zephyr]

don't remove murasama just remove the mid gear rising reference

[crude geode]

Please for the love of god

[cobalt pewter]

I think the individual elementals could echo to a certain class instead of being a general thing (fuck summoners 🚎 )

so e.g. Brimmy can assist with mages and Anahita can assist with summoners

[cobalt pewter]

ah yes, blue sword

[small timber]

I think removing all metal gear references are actually fine, except like, draedon's heart and adrenaline

[crude geode]

Me when summoners have a lot of accessories (this is completely unheard of and only a thing in calamity)

[small timber]

adrenaline will be confusing to be called something else and draedon's heart need to find a better description for it

[cobalt pewter]

Draedon's Heart doesn't seem to be a bad name without the MGR reference

as for the description

yea

you could bs something for it

[honest apex]

Terraria 1.4.4 is including loadouts 1, 2, and 3

Now I can play 3 classes in one character without switching items

[small timber]

(wrong channel to say that but congrats)

[cobalt pewter]

not sure how that's relevant to suggestions

[honest apex]

Oh

[cobalt pewter]

it's a good change but wrong channel to talk bout it yes

either way HotE kill is a yes to me

[kindred creek]

Fabsole seething rn because he can't force you to play one class anymore

[honest apex]

[small timber]

the game never really force you to play 1 class?

[crude geode]

^

The major problem is just. gathering resources lol

[kindred creek]

but it heavilly recommended it by making it take a ton of effort to get all of the items if you ever wanted to switch classes

[small timber]

you can literally quick swap equipment mid fight, just most of the time it is too slow, therefore calamity make sure the 1 class you are stucked with function well

[crude geode]

Anyways uh yeah HotE

[kindred creek]

i removed the suggestion

isnt worth the effort trying to convince yall

[honest apex]

Wait didn't Cl

Whoops

[small timber]

I heavily doubt they will add hote upgrades anyway, since from what I know I dont think they are too keen of the idea

[honest apex]

Calamity included something like you a damage reduction if ur not concentrated on a single class?

[small timber]

considering they purposefully remove its scaling which is what makes it not function late game to begin with

[kindred creek]

used to be a thing for summoner but they removed it

[crude geode]

Myes

[honest apex]

Oh

[small timber]

that is ONLY for summon weapon if you use a summon alongside a non-summon class

[kindred creek]

idk why they removed it, as whips do summon damage, but they did

[small timber]

because summon weapons are goated in calamity, they have to nerf it so you dont get 100k dps alongside your normal weapon (when playing non-summon class)

but ya, there was nothing stopping you from switching to full summoner midfight

[honest apex]

I was gonna suggest armor and weapon scaling since there were a lot of weapons and armors being underused and some of which are not being used at all. I think that's more likely a coding nightmare especially since I wanted properties of a certain armor or weap being acquired by the higher scale item. This thing is probably another mod.

[small timber]

and also that mechanic still exist, the one that get remove is "if you hold a summon weapon your summons deal 10% more damage", which is removed because whips exist now

[honest apex]

[small timber]

the devs do not like weapons that scale, in fact they purposefully remove all scaling weapons/items in the game

[kindred creek]

oh, i thought they removed it entirly

[small timber]

the only exception is The Community which is 1 off

[kindred creek]

and kinda sucks because it get's outsacled by basically eveyr other damage or defense accessory

[small timber]

you will have weapon upgrades from a previous tier weapon, but not a weapon that scales themselves, thats it

[honest apex]

Oh I see I see thanks for clearing that up

[honest apex]

Yeah I know a lot of those but not scaling ones

[small timber]

the community is very good right now, because it is a 'good' offensive and defensive accessory at the sametime

the only 'nerf' I will say it gets is it scales to draedon and scal, rather than at yharon, which do nerf the accessory somewhat, but it is still really good

[hot zephyr]

you have very... interesting... takes

[crude geode]

Equinox always does

[fossil mural]

Community is like a top tier accessory

[frail ivy]

as someone who started this whole ranger discussion thing, I really think we should conclude this with a solid idea on how to make ranger more fun than as of rn. Dont get me wrong, Ranger is already fun and pretty balanced but compared to other class such as melee and summoner getting absolutely dev favorite,

I really think ranger needs some changes

not the class in particular

just some features or weapon mechanic should be good

[grim tusk]

Community’s strength is that its a big stat stick and a good filler. Its not as good as a dedicated defensive, mobility or damage accessory but it does get a lot done, esp lategame where the boosts can get quite big.
Also that flighttime boost and especially the DoT damage reduction are sex

[fossil mural]

Community is just an all around good

It's not the best at anything

[grim tusk]

Jack of all trades, master of none. And thats why its epic

[fossil mural]

But it's very solid to fill in the open slot(s) you usually have post ml as your accessories combine

Because it gives you a bit of everything

Also dot reduction on dog and yharon is great

[grim tusk]

Rogue and Summoner have field days mixing and matching shit (altho summoner usually goes minion slots brr, even though spirit glyph line, sentries and now whips exist)

[small timber]

spirit glyph line will probably stay relatively underused as long as it still use 3 buff slots

[fossil mural]

Well 1.4.4 is increasing buff slots

And I assume itll just be a smooth transition for modded to go from 1.4.3 to 1.4.4

[hollow shell]

Nice joke

[dense ferry]

It will be smoother than 1.3 to 1.4, at least

[fossil mural]

Well I assume it'll be smoother relatively speaking than it was for 1.3.5 to 1.4.3

It won't be 1-2 year long thing

Unless tmod devs mess something up

Or vanilla devs make something impossible

[hollow shell]

Yes it will likely be smoother than that transition

[fossil mural]

I'm actually curious how tmodloader will handle the coming transition though

How was it with the 1.3 versions before the final 1.3 version

Do mod devs just keep working on the previous version and then when tmod is done doing their thing you have to rush and port it to the next subversion?

[hollow shell]

Honestly tModLoader exploded in popularity after the final 1.3 updates
The DD2 update was in late 2016, which is around the time Calamity was first released

[fossil mural]

Ah so before 1.3.5 modded wasn't as large of a scene

Interesting

[hollow shell]

1.3.5.3 was the final 1.3 update and it was April 2017

[hot zephyr]

terraria modding in 1.2 was teeny tiny

[hollow shell]

Well there were still big mods back then

Avalon 1.1 of course
and I remember playin GRealm in 1.2

[hot zephyr]

Any Exxo Avalon fans in the chat? :)

[hollow shell]

Just not quite
as big as it is now

Where the popularity of some mods like Calamity rival those of entire games

[lofty hedge]

Avalon

[hot zephyr]

Calamity Sword

[fossil mural]

Honestly I think my favorite upcoming feature will be the loadout system, there will probably be some funny things you can do with keybinded loadout swapping

[hollow shell]

Ah yknow I was hyped until you mentioned that just now

Fuck

[dense ferry]

Lol?

[hot zephyr]

sword net

[lofty hedge]

That's... going to be absolute hell to balance, right?

[hollow shell]

I can't imagine what kind of chaos is gonna result from you being able to change every single piece of armor and every accessory while your other weapon projectiles are still in the air
Instantly, with no cooldown

[lofty hedge]

Yeah...

I guess adding a cooldown would help?

[hollow shell]

Imagine running glass cannon and instantly swapping to a tank loadout when you're about to get hit

[hot zephyr]

shrimply disable loadout functions while bosses are alive

[fossil mural]

The classic vanilla example would be swapping spectre helmets but less annoying now

More fluid to do so in combat without autopause

[lofty hedge]

Yeah that's better

[dense ferry]

Honestly it's such absolute minmaxing that I don't think it's a problem

You still have to get two or three fucking loadouts

[dense ferry]

And this requires some serious skill to pull off ngl

[hot zephyr]

it'd be nice if TML gave modders some say over loadout slots instead of having to IL edit or smthn

[hollow shell]

One button press.

[lofty hedge]

I guess
But people are still going to find ways to abuse it

[dense ferry]

Reaction time is a thing

[fossil mural]

A lot of bosses have windows you could swap in for a slightly less minmax but same idea scenario

[dense ferry]

Your hand is still all over the keyboard, you have to stop doing something, anything, to go press that one button when you know you are about to get hit

[fossil mural]

Like hot swap to glass cannon armor whenever old Duke is in an exhaustion phase and then swap back to tank armor

As an example

[dense ferry]

And even then sometimes you just end up taking a hit regardless because you didn't think you would

[dense ferry]

This is a better example, yeah

[hollow shell]

You could bind it to an easy key like F

And the reaction time wouldn't be much different from RoD-ing

We will probably be disabling hotswapping during boss fights

Or if we wanted to be fun we could make it so you had to hold the key for like 5 seconds in order for the swap to go through, so you can still do it (for whatever reason) but not abuse it

[dense ferry]

Yes, but most of RoD use is for attacks that are hard to dodge and have a very big telegraph, like Provi's Ray or Moon Lord's deathray, pulling off a stray bullet RoD is really hard, and it would be akin to switching loadout for a stray bullet

[hot zephyr]

It'd make designing accessories/armor with cooldowns a royal pain in the ass

[fossil mural]

Disabling it in fights would probably be the minimal balancing headache method but a delay to hold it and do it would be kinda funny and people would probably find ways to maximize it for funny YouTube videos and gifs

[hot zephyr]

I'm sorry, but being able to freely swap between Silva and Godslayer to get BOTH benefits requires zero skill

You can just toggle godslayer on for the set bonus and then toggle it off

[fossil mural]

Just swap to Silva at low health for a free revive

[hot zephyr]

There's no "skill" in that

[dense ferry]

Basically, the scenario you mentioned has the same use as RoDing, but worse because it's mainly used for scenarios where you think you would get hit a ton, like Bullet Hells, but autopause is a thing, so even now you can just swap loadouts for these stuff

[hot zephyr]

it's just abusing a mechanic

[dense ferry]

Byeah, I think it would be better just disabled

[fossil mural]

On the auto pause note, that's a royal pain in the rear end and destroys the flow of the game

[dense ferry]

Still a cool thing to fuck around with, tho

[fossil mural]

I tried doing that in vanilla master before for funny spectre helmets switching

It wasn't worth it

[dense ferry]

I can't imagine the amount of min maxing fuckery someone like SGM will do with this thing

[fossil mural]

Autopause is just so JARRING

[dense ferry]

You can still do it, someone desperate to beat a Boss will, definetly