suggestions-discussion

[north cypress]

I can't believe it!

[proud plinth]

do you guys think terratomere should use different swords in the crafting recipe?

the only relevant one is the terrablade/terra edge but the other two i outright didnt aquire and had no reason to aquire

terrablade is made with a crafting tree centered around relevancy so i think two other relevant swords should be used, like idk the meowmere and somethin else

nights edge is relevant to pre-hardmode because it has the highest base damage, excalibur is relevant to hardmode because thematically its acquired alongside a powerful set of armor, the hallowed set, obtained by defeating stronger mechanized versions of the pre-hardmode bosses that you have come to know going into hardmode

and both of them, when upgraded, make for good projectile swords, thus bieng combined into a GREAT projectile sword would make alot of sense

but idk why anybody would craft the hellkite or floodtide

floodtide requires you to dig your hands around in the abyss, which seems to be known for bieng dangerous, basically telling you not to go there, and hellkite is just an awkward upgrade to the fiery greatsword that almost nobody asked for

so before i post a suggestion i wanna know if these two swords actually are relevant and im missing something

[unborn oriole]

Idk floodtide is just there because Mariana got an upgrade

And hellkite is just there kinda

[hot zephyr]

hellkite slander

idk what you'd replace them with, or how it's relevant

[swift wharf]

what is even that floodtide argument

[hot zephyr]

from my perspective basically the entire terra blade tree is completely worthless, in vanilla

[swift wharf]

blade of grass

[sinful steeple]

you gotta take major copium to think that night's edge is remotely relevant compared to other melee options or especially non-melee options

[hot zephyr]

it only became relevant after we made it huge, tripled the damage and slapped on a useful debuff

[eternal escarp]

@unreal lark you can ping testers instead of making suggestions about weapon balance for them to check in their free time

and speaking of that, i can check this soon, in my free time

[small timber]

I think super star shooter was kinda bad for vanilla against anything that is not destroyer, that probably will give an idea

and even for destroyer it is not the best thing ever unless you do the fallgod strat to line up it up perfectly

[hot zephyr]

night's edge tactically given to you in vanilla right after you've beaten every boss you'd be capable of using it on

[lofty hedge]

I remember seeing that nights edge is getting a rework in 1.4.4

[hot zephyr]

excalibur, t-excalibur and t-night's edge also just kinda being mediocre options

[small timber]

isnt it true nights edge which is a proj sword?

[lofty hedge]

Similar to t-Excalibur

[small timber]

for the 1.4.4

[hot zephyr]

i have zero faith in vanilla to rework their broadswords

[unreal lark]

issue is, in calamity, in order to craft it you need to beat destroyer

[small timber]

ya they probably will really only just rework the terrablade line and thats it

maybe a buff in damage or two for flails and stuff

[small timber]

ya, which is why I imagine it is like, awful even

unless calamity gear options buff it that much

[lofty hedge]

Yeah I can’t imagine it being to much better, but it might be cooler and more enjoyable to use, so that’s something.

[hot zephyr]

the true excalibur changes just feel like they slapped on some cool effects to the same weapon

and cut the projectile

[lofty hedge]

Yeah that’s what they did

[hot zephyr]

i'm sure there's more nuance but they're busy removing paints and adding the fart kart

revealing everything that nobody asked for

and keeping the cool reworks hidden

[lofty hedge]

I don’t mind a surprise

At least the new swords will be like “Wow! Cool effect!” instead of “Wow! A normal sword!”

[small timber]

@native quartz that will simply happen, there is no reason to suggest for that

[lofty hedge]

I don’t expect vanilla to go all-out and truly “rework” their swords, so I’ll take what they’re currently doing.

[small timber]

they will update calamity until the day they say "this is calamity's last update"

and tmod browser developers is separated from calamity

[frail mantle]

they are working on preview

the updates won't be released before the monthly stable build but they do work on preview beforehand to make sure the update is ready

[native quartz]

the tmodloader preview freeze has begun, meaning no new changes will be made to the preview branch of tmodloader to allow devs to update their mods with the latest changes before the preview becomes the new stable on the 1st of each month.

calamity released their update for the july edition on the 1st of july, preventing devs who build mods that depend on calamity from updating their own before then.

[small timber]

ok sorry I worded it abit confusingly, but this is basically this:

if they are going to update on the latest preview bunch, they will simply do it, it will not be dependent on whether a suggestion is made
even if a suggestion is made, if they are already not updating on the preview bunch they probably will not suddenly do it because of a suggestion

(this is what I mean as "there is no reason to suggest that")
but ya since Heretic do confirm to you that they are updating for the preview bunch it is fine

because if they already have the update for the preview bunch chances are they also have the capability to release calamity following the stable bunch update immediately

[gray nebula]

we're not gonna do it because we don't want a bunch or users switching to preview just to get early access for new calamity releases

unfortunately yes it means people that do mods relying on calamity have to rush updates because of it but rip

[hollow shell]

There was some talk in the dev server about
requesting the ability to do private preview builds from tMod

So it's not a public early access / beta build, it's only for those who it would be relevant for development-wise

iirc.

[gray nebula]

yea

i mean

that was discussed mostly so that we wouldnt have to get fabsol to upload it right as the next stable version hits and stuff

[hollow shell]

m

[fossil finch]

MODES (has an

[orchid briar]

Malice^2

[cobalt pewter]

to be fair cal is getting rid of difficulties as a whole

it's more of a novelty challenge

even vanilla modes like expert

[hollow shell]

define "getting rid of"

[neat linden]

removing the rewards from said difficulties you mean perhaps

[fossil finch]

Feed you're tripping

[cobalt pewter]

I just came back home from work

so maybe I am tripping

[olive token]

@hollow shell hows my sugg rover, long time no see

[hollow shell]

The suggestion seems fine

[gray nebula]

agreeable suggestion

[hollow shell]

The scope is a bit large but not too bad

[gray nebula]

death could rly use having a stronger identity

cuz admittedly I struggle to remember what it does besides just "bosses are different er

admittedly better than "bosses are unfair to anyone but experienced nohitters

[grave zinc]

@shell glacier - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Make a big chamber in the dungeon to avoid the time consuming task of making an arena for polterghast]

It has been add to the devs' to-do list and planned for implementation!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[hollow shell]

(I did have ideas for reworking the temperature system back when we were debating its removal
Turn it into an actual temperature management mechanic along the lines of Don't Starve, rather than just simple boolean toggles)

(Temporarily mitigate extreme temperatures using consumables, wear things that alter the rate at which your temperature changes, etc)

[eternal escarp]

that couldve been much cooler tbh

[swift wharf]

That's a hot take

[olive token]

Its broad, but its a a core system of the game

that I at least think needs some adjustments

death is just revengence with some more heath

[eternal escarp]

death has gotten more noticable AI changes and has a lot of enemy changes tbf

its not strictly more hp

[olive token]

you right, im over exaderating

still, would like more identity

[small timber]

(for most bosses death dont even increase health iirc, only damage)

[feral rune]

maybe a nerf ? easy to make, like day 1 easy ? kinda weird

[neat linden]

Speaking of feller and its entire upgrade line
since they're axes, do they count as tools (and thus not cause the summon weapon nerf)?

if so, that'd be really hilarious

[swift wharf]

Maybe

I remember someone mentioning that

[neat linden]

Speaking of tools

other than axes

(Yes ripper and grax are technically axes shut ujp)

do these inflict the summon damage penalty
or are they ignored because count as tools

[stable remnant]

Upon reading the pins, I realize I should've posted this here first for review. Better late than never I suppose,
`Make the Abyss wider

Generally, in server scenarios, the abyss gets plundered by one person, and there usually isn't enough loot to go around in my group's experience. If the Abyss were let's say twice as wide, it'd add not only more resources, but also could contribute more to the Abyss' oppressive feel by virtue of just having a larger dangerous space.`

I could see an issue arising with dungeon generation, but a possible solution is to just make the dungeon generate farther away if possible, or make the funky ocean generate on the opposite side from it instead

[small timber]

it is fine most people post it in posting first anyway

[neat linden]

in 1.3, the biggest problem with the abyss was finding a way to make it work with small worlds
which of course is no longer an issue

[stable remnant]

Howso? I'm not privy to the abyss' past generation hurdles

[neat linden]

well you couldn't make abyss larger because it'd break small worlds

but now, calamity doesn't support small worlds

they're a "at your own risk" thing

[small timber]

ya, things like dungeon generating into abyss etc I think could happen

[stable remnant]

Oh, a bit of a nuclear solution but it works

[neat linden]

well small worlds presented a lot of issues

[stable remnant]

My group had that happen a few years ago on a large world, it was a small area but notable

[small timber]

I do feel calamity will be best fit on a world size slightly larger than large (not quite extra large), since currently astral infection, hallow and corruption overlap still exist

(and they can fit more planetoid without immediately run into one as soon as you rope up 20 blocks)

[stable remnant]

The addition of several new biomes would fit more nicely in a larger than large world, but that might pose its own challenges

[small timber]

I think it was mentioned (at some point) that they now have the technology to support extra large world, though need devs confirmation on that

[stable remnant]

I'm curious, is there a particular reason for forcing the sulphurous sea and abyss to generate on the dungeon side of the map?

[neat linden]

hm

all i can think of is to be able to work with Thorium's world gen

since calamity's mod description does mention it has some compatibility with thorium

[frail mantle]

i think that's the reason yes

[unique vector]

thats the big reason yes

that and for consistency

[stable remnant]

Okay, that makes my suggestion a bit rougher to implement if they can't just change the side for ease of non-conflicting areas

I'm not sure how easy it is to change dungeon gen point

[small timber]

if this is indeed possible then I think it should be fine

(and I think it is only a problem for small world specifically, but not sure)

[stable remnant]

Well, making the abyss 2x as wide would probably cause intersects even on a large

[vapid crane]

is there a way to make the abyss scale proportionally to the world size?

[drowsy plank]

while i think making the abyss wider is a good idea, @stable remnant you know you can just. fish all those items up right. also who the hell keeps all 5 unique class weapons to themselves?? this sounds like an issue with your friend group and also just. not knowing abyss crates existing and that they can be fished up in the sulph sea. but regardless of that the abyss is in fact very cramped for what it's supposed to be (deep ocean) so while i like the idea, i think the reasoning is uh. not great.

[stable remnant]

Yeah, I know fishing is an option, it's what we had to resort to. And I don't disagree on the cause of the issue, however I will say right now that I find exploring more fun than fishing

Fishing in my opinion is there as a failsafe

If the friend group weren't the issue, we'd go on that expedition with 2-3, maybe even 4 or the whole group

But then it'd feel even more cramped I think

[gray nebula]

Make the Abyss wider

Generally, in server scenarios, the abyss gets plundered by one person, and there usually isn't enough loot to go around in my group's experience. If the Abyss were let's say between 1.5x and 2x as wide, it'd add not only more resources, but also could contribute more to the Abyss' oppressive feel by virtue of just having a larger dangerous space.
The issue of loot can be solved by fishing, but I feel it's more fun to explore rather than fish.

Potential issue of dungeon intersection might be solvable by either forcing dungeon generation a bit farther from the sea, or swapping the side on which the sulphurous sea and abyss generate.

am i right

(you posted yout sugg twice oomfie)

Also tbh we cant really solve the issue of not enough loot chests like i mean unfortunately fishings the way

[stable remnant]

My bad, I hit edit but it didn't agree with me

Deleted the old one

[gray nebula]

cuz if we introduce duplicates we dont want it to have solo player have to sort through multiple chests to find the item they want nstead of the same one but again

i agree doe abyss is way too cramped

[stable remnant]

Hmm, perhaps just wider then? Keep the chests unique, it wouldn't help my group's issue but at the end of the day that's one greedy person's fault. However widening would be nice for the atmosphere of it

[unique vector]

we should make abyss more sneaky beaky like

[small timber]

I think the multiplayer reasoning can be like abit off as mentioned

Instead probably switch reasoning to how cramped abyss are bad and why making it wider will be an improvement

[stable remnant]

Yeah, I'll revise that in a bit. The input is appreciated.

Okay, I've axed the chaff and revised as suggested

[grim tusk]

@austere lagoon references to stuff are a dont. Also no reasoning, bad formatting and theres already quite a few Jojo references.

!wiki stellar knives

[red storm]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Stellar_Knife
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page stellar knives for a direct link or !wiki search stellar knives for a list of all hits.

[grim tusk]

Za wardo

[stable remnant]

Also the stardust set in general

[subtle sapphire]

also arrows are a jojo reference, I'm sure

[shell glacier]

ayyy

[austere lagoon]

Summoner is a Jojo refrence

More Jojo

[fossil bronze]

abyss can't be moved to the other side of the world iirc
for thorium compatability

[hollow shell]

We already forced the Dungeon to no longer intersect with the Abyss
@stable remnant

And yeah that above

You can use our non-intersection code as supporting argument for your suggestion
Because, the Abyss was originally generated at this relatively thin width out of fear of Dungeon collision, but that's not an issue anymore, and yet the Abyss has yet to be widened in lieu of that

[stable remnant]

Huh, okay, I'll revise again

[fossil finch]

I still want flooded dungeons

That's not what i mean

I mean a dungeon subbiome where abyss and dungeons merge

[violet schooner]

ah that makes sense

[fossil mural]

Little late but on the boots post moonlord suggestion, I think boots just outlive their usefulness post moonlord

Even tracers are arguably not worth using in most cases

Raw wings are just better than run speed in post moonlord fights, maybe aside from dog

[stable remnant]

It might be better if they don't count as wings

[fossil mural]

Even if tracers weren't wings I wouldn't use them with wings post moonlord

[stable remnant]

Or maybe inherit wing stats from a vanity wing placed over them?

[fossil mural]

You just don't need boots

Post moonlord fights don't benefit from boots

[drowsy plank]

@ashen warren
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Sergeant_United_Shield
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Brand_of_the_Inferno

[fossil mural]

Yharon restricts your arena size and is a vertical fight mainly

Scal boxes you in

Providence doesn't require you to run

Polterghast you can just fly in circles around him

Wings just do the thing better

[stable remnant]

Probably a lot of work, but equipping the tracers might grant you a wing slot that you could, well, slot a wing into

[fossil mural]

Exo mechs is mainly flying and falling diagonally

[ashen warren]

I Mean a working parrying mechanic like in dead cells

Not Just blocking

[drowsy plank]

Example:  Add a parrying mechanic to the entire Melee class.
Reason:  These are very major changes that require a very substantial amount of work in order to be implemented properly.  Entire updates (or multiple) will need to be dedicated solely to fulfilling these suggestions, and that is not realistic considering the dev team's current workload and planned content.  The devs are already planning a great deal of content for the future, and suggested content on such a scale are almost guaranteed to conflict with those plans.  Changes as significant as these will originate from the devs themselves and not from public suggestions.```

also you provided literally no reasoning

[ashen warren]

K

[fossil mural]

also adding Parry to melee is redundant, fractured ark exists lol

[stable remnant]

@ashen warren in the pins there is suggested formatting and whatnot

[fossil mural]

That's a weapon tree that has a weapon at almost every game stage

All with parry mechanics

But anyway I just don't think boots have a purpose post moonlord. Even if equipping tracers gave you a wing slot, you could just...use the wings directly.

You're not saving an accessory slot or anything in that scenario

You're using an accessory (-1 slot) to get a slot (+1) slot, so 0 net slots

[drowsy plank]

this is why we getting the alt line to tracers anyway

[stable remnant]

Using the wings directly provides less benefits than slotting the wings into the boots, for utility other than boss fights

[fossil mural]

When you could just use wings

Even outside bosses

[stable remnant]

Sure, it's just as optimal for boss fights, but there's a fun factor to sprinting

[fossil mural]

You have insane movement speed post moonlord

[drowsy plank]

me when just use quick modifers

[vapid crane]

and then there's me who always used terra spark + wings

[stable remnant]

You can't use wings with tracers

[drowsy plank]

well you can't post ml unless you're downgrading to angel treads

which is why an alt line to boot wings is being added lmao

[fossil mural]

Even if we had pure running boots, I still think the encounter design of post moonlord would make them not very good

[stable remnant]

I still think the system of slotting in wings could work rather nicely if they perhaps add slight Stat buffs to those wings if slotted, as a reward for going down the crafting line for the tracers

[drowsy plank]

i think id agree, but if they're anywhere similar to soaring insignia in terms of buffs for the player i could easily see them being used

[fossil mural]

Providence, sure ig. Polterghast you're fighting in a limited space dungeon arena, so not very useful. Sentinels you don't need to run. Dog I guess it could work if you wanted to give up some tank or damage. Yharon limits you arena, scal limits your arena

Exo mechs is more flying up and down than running on the ground

I feel like it would just end up being a trap players fall into. "Oh I need to use boots and wings" "why don't I have space for other accessories now"

[stable remnant]

I think a slotting system would work better than just a pure running line of boots for that purpose

[drowsy plank]

you said most of this already but if the boots have a similar buff to the flight bonuses from soaring insignia then they will be used i can already say because soaring is already used a lot because it's a really strong movement option

[fossil mural]

They'd end up being items I personally wouldn't use unless they omega buffed flying speed and flight time and acted like a soaring insignia mega accessory to complement flight

But then I'm not using it for the running

I'm using it for the flight boosts

[drowsy plank]

if they were a bit weaker than soaring but had another effect alongside the running i think they'd probably get used

[stable remnant]

If you've got a pair of boots that give you a wing slot you're telling me you'd rather just equip the wings and have no boots?

[drowsy plank]

Yes

when the boots are so much worse than the wings they might as well just be worse wings

[stable remnant]

To my knowledge, there's no negative effects to wearing the boots aside from the fact that they preclude wings. If that's solved with a granted wing slot, then why would you still not use them?

[drowsy plank]

the negative effect is they fucking suck for the tier you get them on

[fossil mural]

When I could use an offensive accessory or defensive one instead of boots since ground running doesn't do much, yes

[burnt condor]

I think boots are fun to use outside of boss encounters

[drowsy plank]

yeah they're nice for getting around, but even the passive movement speed bonuses of post ML can replace them

[fossil mural]

My point is, ground run speed just doesn't mean much

You could get way more value from defensive or offensive accessories rather than a ground speed boost

[fossil finch]

Treads allowing you to "slot" wings and get you their stats, even if with reduced intensity would be so fucking awful for the balance of the item

[burnt condor]

does post-moonlord boost your base speed?

[stable remnant]

I feel like there might be a miscommunication here. I'm suggesting that the tracers be changed so that they can have a wing slotted into them, giving the stats of that wing instead of integrated tracer wings. Meaning you get your preferred wing plus the normal tracer abilities in one slot.

[fossil finch]

no

[drowsy plank]

no but so many items do

[fossil finch]

It'd be horrid for balancing

[fossil mural]

No but by then you have access to so many combined accessories and potions that move speed isn't an issue at all

It's difficult to move slow at that point lol

[fossil finch]

The point of treads is that you don't get wing stats in exchange for boots and wings on the same slot

[stable remnant]

I don't know that it'd be horrid for balancing when you get the tracers at a point when you're not starved for horizontal speed

As others have stated

[fossil finch]

Then just wear the wings and that's it rather than allowing this horrid amalgamation of item combos

[burnt condor]

I guess, but I also don’t think they’re useless or redundant? I used the tracers for a good chunk of post moonlord

[stable remnant]

But that's the issue, the tracers lack a function in this case

[fossil mural]

They're usable sure but just ask in help and advice or mod talk and most players will recommend just using wings only instead

[stable remnant]

This keeps them relevant in a world of verticality

[fossil finch]

People already default to tracers because of the extra acc slot that comes with it naturally as you'd be wearing boots and wings at that point

[stable remnant]

Apparently not, because people seem to be sayings wings are the winners

[fossil finch]

It's contained here

[drowsy plank]

it's bc ur asking on the discord lol

[fossil finch]

Average player thst doesn't ask will be using tracers most of the time

[stable remnant]

Thats true, I used them and they worked just fine, but if the meta is indeed a simple pair of wings instead of this mega accessory, it seems like it needs to be addressed

[fossil finch]

anyways as said they're still not useless or redundant, giving them the ability to slot wings would completely destroy the point of build making and accesory diversity even if it's not that good already

[fossil mural]

There is a tracer upgrade line through most of post moonlord that I imagine casual players who don't ask for help probably follow through

[fossil finch]

Mega accs don't need to be meta solely because they are "mega accs"

[fossil mural]

Like they're perfectly fine, but if you want to optimize wings are generally better

[fossil finch]

It's not like It's soe

[drowsy plank]

ur right we need to add more items so even less people use the mega accessories cause single unique effects are cooler than massive stat sticks that do 800 things

[stable remnant]

Saying it'd destroy build diversity is a bit of a stretch, considering if the average player uses tracers then they're missing out on class specific wings

And build diversity is already destroyed if the average players default to it

[fossil finch]

And the fact they're better and they will realize this at some point is good for diversity?

builds are fucked in terraria because of wings and boots anyway but making tracers meta won't help

[fossil mural]

Like, having the ground speed of tracers but the flight of elysian and drew wings goes against the entire point of tracers

[fossil finch]

It'd just be the same as it was before when they were meta and wings were never used

[stable remnant]

Take that up with Daedric, I'm simply suggesting a solution to his original point of wings being better than tracers

[fossil finch]

Mega accs suck by themselves and calamity's straying away from it
It can't stray too much away from the class ones because they're pivots for balancing but it is

[fossil mural]

On the note of accessories I actually like that soaring insignia is good throughout the entire game

And shows up in the rest of class setups once it's available

Just a simple accessory

Viable throughout

[drowsy plank]

it's a lot like frog leg in preHM

[fossil mural]

No upgrades or downgrades or whatever

[swift wharf]

soaring insignia upgrades are evil

[olive token]

hows my sugg doing?

[swift wharf]

you'll know when it gets sent to voting

[olive token]

Well idk if its ready for voting

I changed the name to fit the overall goal better

and edited the text to make the message clear

[hot zephyr]

@viral inlet there will never be a way to toggle

period

[viral inlet]

o...k

[gray nebula]

fail

[hot zephyr]

skillimus issuius

[crude geode]

Scaling across the game

[hot zephyr]

damage reduction already scales as the player gets more health 😉

[fossil mural]

Diminishing returns on DR say hello

You realistically wouldn't even notice the difference between 5 and 10% end game

[old prairie]

well ok, but 5% really seems like nothing

[grim tusk]

@old prairie Endurance at higher values was way too strong, even at 10%

thankfully accessories and warding reforge exist to become tanky

[hollow shell]

(also it stacks with other potions like Titan Scale iirc)

[grim tusk]

and on the endgame 5% still is a lot, considering its 5 warding reforges worth of DR and stacks with every other DR increase

you can very quickly become tanky as fuck in Calamity

heck even after the nerfs its still very well possible

[fossil mural]

Not to mention most defensive accessories still get hefty DR + the community gives DR

• warding

[grim tusk]

4 Warding, Rampart of Deities, Core of the blood god, Sponge, Community and you become one tanky mf

[crude geode]

Isn’t tanking so strong it’s on the chopping block for a nerd

[hollow shell]

Yeah there's really no need for Endurance specifically to scale, because as they game goes on you keep getting more and more options to stack up the DR stat

[grim tusk]

already happened

[crude geode]

Fair

[hollow shell]

Defense damage

(it reduces DR too)

[fossil mural]

On the note of defense damage

[old prairie]

ok whatever, 5% just seemed a little low and i don't even play melee to begin with lol

[fossil mural]

Is bloodflare core defense damage

Or is it seperate

And if it's seperate does the defense loss stack with defense damage?

[grim tusk]

defense dmg allows us to buff defensive stuff without enabling facetank

[grim tusk]

iirc its separate and it does stack with defense dmg

but it heals you for a fuckton so who cares

[fossil mural]

True

It's basically a mini healing pot every time you get hit lol

[grim tusk]

we have plans for SG already

[hollow shell]

Do those plans address that attack

[old prairie]

good because i HATE his teleport

[fossil mural]

I want slime god to have a better counter to the run in a direction strat

At least before when the projectiles lingered around and he had that gravity debuff, it was somewhat dangerous if you had to backtrack

But now that projectiles don't linger and he doesn't have the debuff

It's a very bland fight

[grim tusk]

sort of

[old prairie]

true, his slimes should have something like a dash or a jump similar to that of astrum aureus

[drowsy plank]

that's so dumb

just nerf the outliers

furthermore isnt the ultisword line already getting reworked anyway??

[proud plinth]

whar

[proud plinth]

why

in my opinion they feel like just the right strength for when u get them, if not a tad overpowered

if u nerfed those then melee would be underpowered in general, in my eyes atleast, what is "underpowered" is up for debate and subjective

[drowsy plank]

yes, it is, but according to the devs, rn most of these weapons have higher than average kill times i believe

[proud plinth]

oh, hm.. on 1.3 or 1.4? ive heard the port is kinda jank

[drowsy plank]

1.4 i guess but it's not like anyone is playing 1.3 or it even matters

[proud plinth]

cuz true tyrants ultisword on 1.4 rn deals 100 some damage, and its obtained 1 stage of progression after the ark of the elements, which deals in the thousands

and the ark has quite a good number of projectiles too, even then with parries it can be buffed

however using the ark of the elements on expert mode against providence, the stage that you obtain it in, feels perfectly in-line and not overpowered

[hollow shell]

This suggestion

Man

[proud plinth]

so idk if nerfing the outliers would be the best choice, but thats definitely up for debate

[hollow shell]

Were you trying to be inflammatory

[inner anvil]

"Kill all testers" challenge.

[proud plinth]

wha

i mean its just a suggestion, im not trying to make anybody mad or anything, i think this is something that would be nice to have a friendly debate about

[hollow shell]

1. Instead of suggesting that the overpowered outlier be nerfed, you suggest that all other weapons in the tier be buffed to match it (significantly more effort and likely not the correct response to the situation)
2. You did not even specify the tier in your title, meaning the implied scope is literally the entire game

[crude geode]

Suggestion posters try not to be their own testers challenge

[proud plinth]

hm..

[hollow shell]

And that's right, 3.
We recently made it a rule to ping testers for balance concerns instead of posting suggestions

[proud plinth]

oh

[hollow shell]

Not because it's like, inherently bad
But just because pinging testers is faster

And the sugg will take over a week to reach the devs otherwise

when you can get it addressed today

[proud plinth]

k its deleted

ill just leave that alone, if its an inflammatory concept or something that will cause too much debate, id rather have underpowered weapons than an all-out war

[fossil mural]

Speaking of balance stuff, I saw someone else mention it but is mechworm summon over performing rn?

[olive token]

🙂

[crude geode]

@fossil mural see above

[fossil finch]

Good let it overperform

i don't want mechworm to have any change again ever

Even if it's just damage

[crude geode]

too bad, suffer

[fossil finch]

Coping

[fossil mural]

Dang no wonder mechworm felt so strong in my summoner run

Summoner don't have overpowered weapons challenge

[crude geode]

Summoner weapons really do be kinda stupid at times

[olive token]

yeah all the summoner stuff needs a rebalance and fixed whip integration

no point making a sugg about it because its already gonna happen

[fossil mural]

It'll be sad when terraprisma is nerfed

And mechworm

[crude geode]

something else will pop up that's overpowered

[olive token]

well they are gonna give sommoners a whip weapon so its gonna be fun

[fossil mural]

Scanners will always be good at least

Those things never seem to die

Along with cold divinity

[drowsy plank]

i do hope upgrades are added that at least allow you to try a similar weapon at this original power levels. terraprisma and celebration mk II i mean cause i think those are both being targeted for nerfs atm

[swift wharf]

those are bugged too iirc

🪓

[crude geode]

p sure it's called not playing cal

[drowsy plank]

against cal stuff i mean obvs

[gaunt tiger]

is source of all evil moutned scanner

[swift wharf]

yes

[frozen hornet]

@violet schooner oathblade upgrades already are planned to get reworked, the rest just haven't been done yet

[small timber]

I think the idea and performance of tracer (no matter if ground speed is needed or not) is still fine that is the inherent idea of them being 2 in 1 accessory

The buff they need I think is a bridge between Seraph and Elysian Tracer since for wings you get Elysian (and tarragon) Wing post-provi which is a massive upgrade from lunar wings while for tracer you have to use seraph all the way to post-DoG

But ya, the 'make tracer can integrate whatever wings' idea will just make wings useless even with nerfed flight, and tracer dont have to be strong just because of its inherent 2 in 1 property, they just have to be viable

[small timber]

@old prairie Also regardong the endurance potion suggestion: DR already scales with the game, that is the inherent property of %defense, the more damage the enemy deal the more damage DR block, the warding argument is completely invalid as you will notice the DR part of warding didnt scale at all

If you think defense are too weak and should be buffed, the one more suitable for your suggestion will be iron skin potion, especially with the current nerfed DR on items 10% will be as good as The Sponge, the trademark full tank accessory, they are not gonna make a potion has that much power just like that

[inner anvil]

The suggestion would be ultra-based if he instead suggested for Ironskin scaling, yeah.

[swift wharf]

tarragon wings are pretty good too

[cobalt pewter]

personally I'd make Ironskin alter defense damage in some way, but scaling defense doesn't seem bad either

[small timber]

Due to the idea of defense damage I think it will be better to just dont alter it in anyway, if defense is bad because of defense damage the way will be to buff defense not to nerf defense damage

(draedon's heart is allowed the exception since it is basically final boss drop)

[frosty trellis]

Ah really? That's sad. I love tyrant yharims ultrisword and then never use it's upgrade, use t.caustic edge but never caustic

[drowsy plank]

F

[coarse sky]

@gusty burrow I had this happen to me once and I had to use a Terraria world viewer to actually find the hollowed it's really annoying

[crude geode]

Why this solution instead of just making them just drop more shit

[small timber]

ya like, just make them drop more prism/ash so you dont have to refarm them like mad

[drowsy plank]

@kindred creek p sure a sugg just passed that increased the materials dropped per fight

also thats dumb

people have been suggesting this since DoG like "add an item that starts it in phae 2" like no just ask the boss to drop more

oh wait it was just scal

you could ask for exo mechs to drop more prisims ig

[hollow shell]

Not how I would personally solve that issue

Starting fights partway through.

If farming them is the issue then yeah the easier solution would be to change the numbers of either their drops or the crafts

[hot zephyr]

just buff the rewards

or make the shadowspec bar recipe give more bars

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[small timber]

the suggestion literally will apply to "start exo mechs at last mech so farming exo prism is easier"

ya not gonna do

[worthy lintel]

me when

when people don't want to bother playing the game anymore

following some people here the mechs should drop 9999 exo prisms

[frosty trellis]

I have yet to need to kill exos and scal more than once except if I am playing summoner and going for boss rush

You get enough ashes of annihilation and exo prisms for the most part to get the dev tier weapons, and with the exception of summoner, generally you are sticking with Auric Tesla

[small timber]

"Make breaking altar drop 99 souls of light and night each

dude they no longer give ore anymore, they are useless, at least make them give some souls for nice QoL, the mod is so fucking grindy

EDIT OH RIGHT I FORGOT, PLEASE INCLUDE SOULS OF FLIGHT TOO, FARMING WYVERN IS SO BORING
EDIT 2: Thx for @ abcd1234 for mentioning, farming essences are a complete hassle too so maybe include it too"

[frosty trellis]

[grim tusk]

All classes benefit a lot from demonshade, even rogue which is the one you’d argue you want to stay with Auric

[frosty trellis]

[grim tusk]

Enrage too op

[grim tusk]

[worthy lintel]

i dream to make a shitpost mod like that that just drops 9999 of every material following boss tiers

we shall relish in the bliss of uninterrupted boss rush

[quiet kernel]

Me when I have beaten exos and scaI and love damage and demonshade but I also suck at this game and die when not using auric:

[kindred creek]

took your suggestion.

[small timber]

"defeating final mech bosses drop 999 bars of chlorophyte bar so you are not forced to craft drax and mine it"

[hexed ore]

Most recently posted suggestion forgetting vanilla pole buffs

[frosty trellis]

I'm saying generally, since there is a lot of defensive benefits you get from auric tesla that you don't get from demonshade (and not everyone liked the enrage thing, and I don't particularly blame them) so there is always that
Summoner however, there is no reason to not go demonshade due to the minion and the 4 extra minion slots over auric lmao

[kindred creek]

dude, I changed it

no need to moch me further

[small timber]

(sorry was not referring to your suggestion, was making a joke about the 9999 drops comment above)

[frosty trellis]

Increase the amount you get from crafting

[grim tusk]

The year is 2024
QoL mods have removed the need for town NPCs, Arena Building, Regular Enemies, and Grinding. 16 distinct difficulty options exist to be combined as desired.
All worlds are generated with chests that give everything to you, and have innumerable world-sized platforms
The game has been optimized away. Now we may relish in the infinite bliss that is uninterrupted boss rush playthroughs

[frosty trellis]

That is not an approach I was thinking about

[frosty trellis]

I forgot about that one

[hexed ore]

Seems to be the way people want it to be

[grim tusk]

@kindred creek you cannot suggest specific crafting recipes

[small timber]

ya, I think just say increase yield and the devs will understand

since the bars amount are according to auric bar amount use anyway so it make sense

[hexed ore]

grrrr farming

[hollow shell]

Trying to think of a current recipe it could be compared to

[small timber]

spectre bar I think?

[grim tusk]

Fuck it make them old Auric because “we hate fun”

Spectre is a good comparison

[hollow shell]

Ah yeah Spectre Bar indeed

[frozen hornet]

Replace prisms with miracle matter

[hexed ore]

1 ectoplasm and 2 chlorophyte bars to make 2 spectre bars

So 1 prism + 1 ash + 2 auric bars = shadowspec

[frosty trellis]

"The most unnecessarily complex crafting material to ever ex- oh wait fargos soul mod exists"

[small timber]

I think it is just a matter of conversion rate (1:2 or 1:5) so it should be fine

or super healing potion for that, though it is not a crafting material

[grim tusk]

People be like:
Semi cheap Calamity item that just requires a small grind or a going to a part of the world and killing an enemy to get the missing drop: No this is too expensive they should reduce the item’s cost (Absorber comes to mind, the only one I agree was the removed sea snail shell which was indeed a pain in the ass)

Meanwhile in Fargo’s souls: This item that requires at least 30% of all the game’s items is perfectly fine in cost

[frosty trellis]

LITERALLY THOUGh

Although, Miracle Matter is still annoying to craft

[small timber]

on april fools next year fargo will add a new item that is called "souls of master builder", required to craft into soul of eternity and will require materials for every single furniture of every material type in the game

[frosty trellis]

And yeah, thank god no more sea snail shell bc I spent like, 2 hours trying to get that in my first playthough

[small timber]

for miracle matter, I think the problem is more with the crafting cost of draedon forge, after you craft the forge you dont have much prism left

(but ya, solved by just making exo prism drop at higher amount)

[grim tusk]

Or reducing Forge’s craft cost maybe

[small timber]

the other boss that have drop problem I remember is providence, where she dont drop enough divine geode to craft the full set of armor +1 of any weapon

[frosty trellis]

Operator ftw

Hell

Sometimes she doesn't drop enough geodes for the tarragon armor

Much less armor + 1 weap

[grim tusk]

Kill 1: you get geodes for either armor or some weapons and one accessory
Kill 2: you get the rest of geodes needed and the other acc

Also you can just use bloodstone weapons and pure uelibloom or draedon’s arsenal

Or her drops if you got lucky in kill 1

[frosty trellis]

And you do need to fight her twice for the aegis and wings

So fair

[grim tusk]

Unless nightime

[frosty trellis]

I think I'm good

Hellvidence has always been my forte

[grim tusk]

I found Night Prov extremely fun once I learnt it and stopped trying to nohit her

Even did the fight with Cobalt kunais

[frosty trellis]

Ah yes, rouge

The one singular class I have not played in calamity

[grim tusk]

Summoner and Rogue: the unbalanced siblings

[frosty trellis]

Summoner is very op

Endgame ranger is also nutty af

Contagion with a 30 second kill time on jared and I forgot demonshade armor existed at the time lmao

[small timber]

daily reminder that summoner (on super minmaxed damage setup) can get 304% damage, 17 minion slot (last time I calculated it) or 21 minion slot if you use yharon kindle stuff with godly soul artifact

and then now you have whips on top of that

@supple lodge while not exactly the approach the suggestion is going, sunken sea biome rework is coming soon™, so things might be completely different by then

but ya the suggestion itself is, fine I think? just think this is worth mentioning

[supple lodge]

I wasn't aware it was being reworked

[small timber]

ya the suggestion itself is fine so no worry about it

(this is more for a 'for your information' thing)

[supple lodge]

alright

[frosty trellis]

Nucleogenisis, dark sun ring, profaned soul artifict, angelic alliance, demonshade armor, summoning potion and bewitched is 21 slots, so would recount there lol

[small timber]

(forgot to mention it was prescal pre exo)

[frosty trellis]

Fair

I didn't know godly soul artifact existed, but that would of been nice to know for SCal lmao

On my summoner run

Since yharons kindle staff is amazing

Pre-Scal, 6 from tesla, 4, 2, 1 from accessories, bewitched, summoning, base 1 slot for 3, counting 16

Not sure where the the 17th came from since none of the previous stuff that goes into nucleogenesis can stack now

[small timber]

it is 4,2,2 from accessories iirc

[crude geode]

What’s the point of this discussion?

[small timber]

nerf summoner

[frosty trellis]

Profaned soul artifact is 1 slot

[small timber]

oh right I used eldritch soul artifact instead of profaned (and didnt use profaned at all), so I guess it can be 18, but ya

(off topic)

[frosty trellis]

Eldritch?

Oh

That's a pretty cool accessory

Another thing I wish I knew existed

[hollow shell]

"only one shield can be used at a time"

Is this true?

[small timber]

only one shield dash

[hollow shell]

Rampart doesn't have a bash, even

[small timber]

(or rather, knockback immune)

but ya you definitely use both together, stacking knockback immune is not a problem especially that rampart is so distinctly different in function to valar, and offer a lot of utility even beyond knockback immune

(tbh I would rather Asgard's Valor rid of the Ankh Shield line and only keep say Cobalt Shield and move the entire Ankh Shield line to either a new line of accessories or rampart)

[hollow shell]

@silent dawn ^

[silent dawn]

I believe just via accesory order

buffs from both would be provided, but I'm pretty sure that any shield-specific actions would be ignored for the one lower in the order

[small timber]

which part of Rampart and Valor/Aegis is not stacking and make them only can be use one at a time?

[hollow shell]

What is a "shield-specific action"?

[frosty trellis]

Confused myself

Since it's standard for me to go asgardian aegis and rampart if I am playing literally anything but summoner

[silent dawn]

dash, the one that shows, multiple things, it would just be easier if both took up one accessory slot.

[grim tusk]

False

[hollow shell]

Nonono, do not just generalize it as "oh a buncha stuff yknow shield things"

[grim tusk]

I use Rampart all the time and can confirm this is false

[hollow shell]

Rampart does not have a dash
The visual has no bearing on functionality

[silent dawn]

true, true

Really the biggest general concept is to minimize the space and maximize the efficiency

[grim tusk]

And both accessories are already kind of goated in the defense department (well Aegis not so much since its not its main use)

Why the hell do you think that mixing them is a good idea other than free acc slot to abuse

At that point just use wingslot or another mod that gives an extra accessory slot

[small timber]

rampart dont have dash, so there is no problem with it not stacking

ya rampart is one of the best accessory, aegis too

[grim tusk]

Void sash needs to be buffed to better compete with Aegis’s utility tbh

[hollow shell]

We've been trying to move away from the design philosophy of combining everything into one accessory by endgame
Cutting down on effects, trimming tooltips

Having more different accessories, with more significant, focused, and fewer abilities each, makes for more interesting gameplay
You actually have to manage your slots and make a loadout, choosing which acc benefits you want to have

[small timber]

ya this suggestion will completely kill off any chance for void sash to be useful, because it get rid of every single knockback immune option in the game

void sash will literally only be use in nohit

[silent dawn]

Y'know, I'm gonna be straight with ya, these are all very good points. And fairly, yeah, y'all are right. I just feel like the free slot, along with a better "final" option kinda makes sense, since there are mostly obvious other "final" options. Ark of the Cosmos, the Immaterializer, etc.

[grim tusk]

Not even nohitters use void sash

[frosty trellis]

Was gonna say

[small timber]

:trolled:

[frosty trellis]

I don't see a reason to use void sash over aegis

Since the ram

And the longer dash is a little much

[hollow shell]

Alright, thank you for listening 👍

[grim tusk]

“Final” has not come yet, gotta wait til Yharim

[frosty trellis]

40+ blocks is alot

[small timber]

ya there can be a lot (too many) of things can be made argument of combining will make them better (since well, you effectively just have more slots), like absorber + affliction, combine every single class post-DoG elemental accessory into 1 so you dont have to switch accessory

[silent dawn]

Just mash all wings into a mount that just turns you into a Boeing 737

[small timber]

true

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[small timber]

New wing idea: GIGA MEGA WING

Combine Betsy Wings, God Slayer Jetpack and Drew's Wing to craft the ultimate wing that excel in every single function that wings can ever have

aka Celestial Starboard

[grim tusk]

Maybe for pre-Yharim or post we could have some sort of ultra defensive stuff but for now what we have is enough and spending time thinking about stuff for when that happens would be a waste of time

Sponge + Ambrosial ampoule + honey dew and get the old sponge
Cotbg + Bloodflare core + bloody worm scarf and get old Cotbg++
Thinking about something more creative is not worth the time atm

[hot zephyr]

at that point just pull a soul of everything and give everyone supergodmode

[grim tusk]

We could get more defensive options post-DoG

[small timber]

meanwhile the best offensive accessory will still give +15% damage

[grim tusk]

Ambrosial ampoule upgrade would be epic

[grim tusk]

DSA, EMirror, Daawnlight and Nanotech

[small timber]

only at the cost of dying slightly faster

we dont talk about rogue accessory, nanotech with the 30% damage increase

[hollow shell]

As long as it doesn't combine with the Absorber again, sure

[grim tusk]

I could try and draft something in my sleep

[hollow shell]

(frankly Ampoule doesn't have much of an identity anymore)

[small timber]

ya it is just very good stat stick at the time you can get it, and thats it

[grim tusk]

Make it combine with Honey dew again perhaps

[silent dawn]

Ampoule is ok. Sometimes. For a small period. Only for the sponge.

[hollow shell]

I had rework ideas for Absorber, Sponge, and Ampoule sitting in dev for
literal years now
They got sprited and they're on a to-do list but I have no idea when they'll get implemented
Or if they'll be implemented, considering I proposed them back when they were still connected in a tree

[grim tusk]

Sponge hasnt used Ampoule in it for about a year

When will sponge properly inherit rover drive tho

[silent dawn]

wow i am now realising, as i sit upon my deathbed, that I may have read the wrong wiki page

[hollow shell]

You probably read the right wiki page, just a long time ago..

[silent dawn]

never. purely cosmetic. it feels like how the zenith makes you use the copper shortsword

[hollow shell]

(funnily enough Rover Drive's effect was actually inspired by my rework ideas for those accs, which is why it is included in Absorber's recipe)

(or at least it happened to be similar and that's why it was included)

[silent dawn]

it feels like the same concept of the shortsword in the zenith to point of going back to the first thing you acquire and put it into an endgame item.

literally got the rover drive from my first wulfrum. didn't even use it

[hot zephyr]

rover drive is cracked now

[silent dawn]

fr?

[hollow shell]

Oh yeah big wulfrum rework next update

[hot zephyr]

i believe iban has it equipped in his scaffolding kit showcase clip

rover drive is highkey one of the best phm accessories now, might need to be nerfed before launch

[quiet kernel]

I think Iban made a clip where he cranked 90s with the scaffolding kit

[hot zephyr]

it's true

I farmed a thousand pieces of wulfrum and became Ninja Fortnite

[silent dawn]

i remember using it, thinking "wow this sucks," and then never using it. It felt that the temp defense buff seemed pretty bad

[hollow shell]

Yeah the current one is pretty meh weird

[silent dawn]

I remember playing with my friends, unable to find wulfrum enemies for quite the while, so I opted to trade my platinum pickaxe for their wulfrum one, due to their hype about it. Upon getting it, I realized that it actually sucked, and I had been scammed. Please make wulfrum better. Enemies and gear both, please. I can never live down this shame.

[hollow shell]

Your fault for not checking the Pickaxe Power

59% Platinum --> 40% Wulfrum

[silent dawn]

i checked when i got it and died inside

[frosty trellis]

@supple olive That will be in a later update.

Lol

[hollow shell]

@supple olive We will. Eventually.

[supple olive]

k lol

I should read

[frosty trellis]

It's a lot harder to balance calamity around new calamity whips rn when summoner is broken as shit regardless

[supple olive]

makes sense

[silent dawn]

In reference to the research facility mimic idea:just use the extractinator on power cells

[drowsy plank]

true!!

like draedon mimic is a neat idea in concept but it just

has no purpose

like armored diggers

[frosty trellis]

Can also just put spare power cells into an extractonator for sus scrap and dub plating

[drowsy plank]

bro wifi
just said that literally right before my message

[frosty trellis]

LOL

[drowsy plank]

"i dont play calamity" what
look i want buffs to the flak cannons as much as the next guy but the reasoning is trash
and the solution is even worse

[frosty trellis]

No kid

[drowsy plank]

we dont need more terra shivs (bad weapon that only exists to be upgraded into Good Weapon according to meta)

is this even like

a tester ping thing

like there's about a bajillion reasons the flak cannon is bad and everyone knows it but could i just suggest a new effect for it?? i always thought it was different than what its current effect is and i think it honestly would be better

[small timber]

suspicous scrap is ONLY found in abandoned lab no?\

so it is not only not renewable but also absurdly hard to get, since it is super hard to find abandoned lab

[wind rune]

And a very specific one

Abandoned Research Facility

[small timber]

ya, the biome ones just dont have it

[wind rune]

Yep

[small timber]

and on large world it is only 33% for it to spawn, because reason

getting a SHPC literally will require explore the entire world and you might not even get enough if you are unlucky

[wind rune]

It's good to be playing mhage

[mighty knot]

would 'move astral infection to post-ML' be banned by current sugg rules?
I'm leaning towards disallowed (due to 'large scale reworks' rule) but I'm not 100% sure, especially since it fitting that category depends on the amount of work it requires (which could be just about any amount as far as I know, since I wouldn't want aureus to be re-tiered/any new bosses to be added)
can I get a verdict on that?

[crude geode]

@unique vector see above

[drowsy plank]

i just dont get why

astral serves a purpose where it is rn

[crude geode]

Probably because “it would add something inbetween bosses” (it wouldn’t tbfh, astral already has extremely little to do outside of enemy killing)

[drowsy plank]

well that's why we're getting Literally Just New Biomes and the subworlds

whenever they get around to it

[crude geode]

Are we getting subworlds? I can’t recall anyone saying it, at least in here

[mighty knot]

idk, I don't agree entirely that astral serves a distinct purpose. some of it does, I guess, but the underground is almost completely useless. it's really just there to be a new biome for new enemies to spawn in for you to kill to get new things, and also exists and serves a large amount of its purpose at the start of HM, a period in progression that already has tons of options
meanwhile, despite terraria's tagline being 'dig. fight. explore.' post-ML lacks the first and last of those three in any substantial way. I just think it's a good opportunity to have astral be there as a way to provide that, like the hallow largely does for HM

[crude geode]

the underground being useless isn’t really gonna be solved until it gets reworked

[hot zephyr]

There are already substantial plans for the Astral Underground

It's like, the #1 devplans meme that's been around for ages

[crude geode]

Yeah

[keen zealot]

#suggestions-voting message This would mean Chlorophyte would also be used for Bars of Life in addition to the other 100+ items it gets used for currently

I also think the supposition that "Reaver tier items are useless" is a very subjective one. I found tons of use out of the armour, myself. Don't have a reason to replace it until hydrothermic, and I still keep the tool speed set on me afterward for a very long time

Not to mention Chlorophyte is overshadowed by Hallowed both because Hallowed gear is insanely overpowered for how easy it is to get, literally a guarantee in vanilla progression but also because the Chlorophyte gear itself is currently slightly underpowered for its tier, even when acting like Hallowed no longer exists. It has a good bow, and the armour has slightly higher defense and pretty evenly matched damage on average versus Adamantite and Titanium, and that's about it for positives.

[hot zephyr]

make Perennial ore phm

[unique vector]

late but uh

not necessarily

you’ll just need to be very clear and persuasive on why

bc thats a very massive change

[keen zodiac]

also it would completely screw over all mid hardmode progression

[mighty knot]

alright great

I'll be very careful in how I word this

[unique vector]

that being said

rover may still tell you its too like, large scale to be allowed so

be mindful of that

[mighty knot]

alright

[frozen hornet]

That latest sugg wouldn't solve anything it'll just make the two flaks more overshadowed

It'll just end up like this

[crude geode]

It also is from someone who doesn’t play calamity

[eternal escarp]

good use of the template to easily describe the situation

[crude geode]

@spring sail in no way are Angel treads required

In fact the whole line is viewed as kinda blegh

[spring sail]

The idea comes from seraph tracers being meh

Lots of other ppl suggested seraph tracers pairing with other wings so

[subtle sapphire]

Wings are better than wingboots

[small timber]

that... is the point of tracers?

they are meant to be wings, of course they will have the ability to replace luminite wings, tarragon wings and silva wings if you desire

for the seraph tracer pair with wings thing

they are planning to add a new line of boots that will work with wings that are not tracers in the future

[spring sail]

This is the suggestion that makes frog gear and Statis ninja belt the new line

[small timber]

(I think the reasoning of the suggestion is a bit off though, first I talk about how tracers replace wings is a problem then the solution is somehow to buff ninja gear?)

[spring sail]

Fuse boots with dashes instead of boots with wings

[small timber]

in that case probably can rid the first line about tracers replacing wings tbh, not really related

[small timber]

oh you mean that, in that case this ^

though seeing how many people like tracers I doubt they will remove them, tracers are already weaker than wings in many aspect

[spring sail]

Lots of ppl really need boots and they are forced to stick with seraph and sacrifice other wings if they don’t want to go through the process of crafting another pair of Angel treads

I’m not saying that tracers need to be removed

[small timber]

then in that case I think the suggestion need to be worded slightly differently, let me see

[spring sail]

Making Amphibian Boots into frog gear fits the theme and would make the slightly outclassed Statis dash upgrade line more powerful

[small timber]

probably should mention:

1. Many people play with boots, but once they crafted the seraph tracers they cant go back to wings just because of the complicated recipe of angel treads
2. angel treads being the only viable boots to be use with wings is a problem, as it is not easily recraftable in that case
   2.5) boots + wings + dash are seen as the trinity of essential movement options, with tracers you can them in 2 accessory (tracer + dash), but if you use non-tracer you
   have to use 3 slot for them (boots, wings, dash)
3. suggest to extend on the amphibian boots upgrade line to serve as an alternative of boots + wings lines
   4) maybe combine with ninja gear to make it a very mobility focus boots option (this one I am not so sure, since dash often are seen as a huge feature that they removed many stats on crystal assassin just because it has dash)

[spring sail]

Thanks, I guess my words of choice is no where near polished, I’ll edit it afterwards

[small timber]

(this is just how I think of it)

currently it looks like:

1. angel treads upgrade (assume tracers) are too good that many wings become skippable
2. meanwhile amphibian boots lines have controversy (I will assume that they are heavily nerfed) and not worth using
3. suggest to improve on amphibian boots upgrade line to make them worthwhile by making them part of ninja gear line upgrade, that way you still only need 2 accessories for wings + dash + boots

all of these are fine, just like ya 1) is disconnected from the others

[small timber]

(since ampoule rework is in the cold storage for years now apparently, so I figure I should just post it)

[swift wharf]

amphibian boots are really good imo

lots of suggestions about boots and wings and I'm like

those are fine it's just that tracers suck

[cobalt pewter]

tracers suck ass

in fact I want Angel Treads to branch into a pure shoe acc instead of catering to weird and overrated wingboots trope the average community is praising to all hell

[swift wharf]

yeah

but it would need to compete with soaring insignia

since after you get it boots aren't really needed

[small timber]

on ground tracer is still faster than insignia, a lot faster

[swift wharf]

on ground

[small timber]

but ya, just angel treads is a low slower than even seraph tracer, and if you use tracer you are forced to not have wings

[swift wharf]

most of the time you're gonna be flying so

boots become less relevant each update

[frozen hornet]

I prefer to run while doing provi, DoG and polter

[versed cape]

btw adding to scoria ore being highlighted by dangersense potion

even hellstone is highlighed by it

[sinful steeple]

i'm not against scoria ore being highlighted by dangersense but that being said does it not already have a glowmask

[frozen hornet]

It does but it's really fuckin hard to see

[hazy pond]

I usually mostly run with DoG, but recently I noticed that (on asphalt platforms) I only got an extra 3-4 mph with tracers than wings. I ended up using wings because the minimal speed from boots wasn’t worth sacrificing flight time for.

I got something like 54 mph running with wings 57 mph running with tracers.

[sinful steeple]

i find that if i am flying for too long dog goes blue mode and gibs me which isn't at all a problem related to low flight time so that really makes me wonder what the flight time is for

[drowsy plank]

@timid talon you also need it for the brimflame armor, profaned soul crystal, and molten skull rose, so i don't understand your point at all. furthermore, if the alt line to tracers ends up needing terraspark as well now you're gonna need another pair of boots if you want to make both so i just... dont get what you want here. to make crafting more inconvient for no real reason...?

oh and also hellfire treads, which are already super underrated

@spring sail that's a don't, read the pins, you're just supposed to ping a tester for item balancing, and spectre rifle has also already been tested and has a nerf planned im pretty sure. at the very least it has been talked about already, but feel free to ping a tester again about it if you want.

[eternal escarp]

and i already checked it specifically yes

[spring sail]

Ok so should I delete it

[eternal escarp]

would be preferable

[spring sail]

Also doesn’t hellfire treads do little to nothing? It’s just cooler (?) Hermes boots

[frozen hornet]

It inflicts hellfire now

quite funny in pre-hm

[eternal escarp]

it has more things in cal, yes

i believe also something about 1.5x increase to fire debuffs?

[grim tusk]

Quite hilarious in the endgame

[frozen hornet]

Fairy boots are funny too

10 def, 2 regen and 10% ms? Fuck yes

[grim tusk]

Aflame + Demonflames + whatever DoT your weapon does + fireball + cinnamon roll

[frozen hornet]

this is a blast build and a half

[eternal escarp]

arson

[timid talon]

alright, fair enough, then i'll change my request to remove the obsidian rose from the shadow chest that's below the brimstone crag, because to craft the obsidian rose, you need a regular rose, some obsidian and some hellstone ore, which is all at an abundance after you kill the first evil biome boss (hellstone and obsidian is obvious, and the dryad always sells the rose)

[drowsy plank]

i still think this is just a bad sugg bc obsidian rose is hard to obtain without these methods and i like not everything having to be craftable to get it. it frankly is fine the way it is, i dont really get what you issue with it is.

like more than one way to get an item is a good thing

[timid talon]

i'd say that my only issue with it is that we can craft the obsidian rose as soon as we kill the first evil biome boss, while the shadow chest is accessible after skeletron, and the shadow chest only has 1 obsidian rose

[drowsy plank]

well you can farm for obsidian roses Pre-Boss so

they're just a low chance imp drop

[timid talon]

that is true

[drowsy plank]

the recipe is if you need multiple or want one earlier, and the chest is where most people end up getting their's for terraspark and it's just a convient little bonus for going to craigs

like if you remove it from craigs chest they'll need something else to put in there and

i dunno what it would be

it works as is

[timid talon]

well, you can also get a magma stone from another shadow chest in the brimstone crag, but that doesn't have a crafting recipe

and technically, magma stone is slightly rarer to get as the drop rate is lower than obsidian rose

[drowsy plank]

well maybe magma stone should be craftable then (not really recipes are dumb but still) or should have easier ways to get it

[gray nebula]

why would u nerf it its awesoem

[eternal escarp]

(its not that good i think)

[gray nebula]

i mean it depends on ur skill

its defense damage if it was awsesome

[eternal escarp]

even then i think

a KS contact hit is enough to make it not seem that busted maybe

[gray nebula]

yea its not that bad i thin

that good i mean

[eternal escarp]

its stil llike super usefull

but not too good

[fossil mural]

What does it dooooooo

Y'all are madlads teasing us like that

[inner anvil]

Find out in the next update. :)

Wait, wasn't it posted already in Iban's Twitter?

[fossil mural]

I've seen the new visual effect of it on a tweet but I don't recall a tweet saying what it does now

But I also havent scrutinized the Twitter account tweet by tweet

[fossil finch]

How it works was showcased on the first one yeah

He didn't say what it does but you can pretty much see it

[fossil mural]

I'll have to go back and find that then, cool

[fossil finch]

It's not like It's from 40 years ago

[fossil mural]

Anyway make it be next update day and gimme cool swing hook I wanna be Spiderman k thx :)

[fossil finch]

8 days left

[fossil mural]

Oh it's gonna be in the mandatory August 1st update since calamity has to update for tml? Awesome

I would have thought that'd just be a bare minimum match the tml changes mini patch like it was July 1st

Sweet

[gray nebula]

https://vxtwitter.com/IbanPlays/status/1546907894939000832

basically it tanks 50 damage b efore breaking

and when its b roken it takes (i forgot) seconds to charge back up

but if you take damage while it charges up the timer resets

you can see it through the cooldown on the top left

[fossil mural]

That's a lot more interesting than current drive

Thanks and awesome work

[unborn oriole]

That's an awesome idea!

I'll definitely use it when the update comes out

[small timber]

I wanted to suggest thorium hp shield as alternative to defenses before but I thought it is a bit out of the way, turns out it is not

[gray nebula]

what is hp shield

i mean rn it just gives you extra hp corresponding to the boost

eventually itrd be nice to make it look different and such with cooler visuals but thats later im too lazy

[drowsy plank]

lmao i can't send the thorium page for life shield

https://thoriummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Life_Shield

there we go

[gray nebula]

starlight river barrier but CRINGE

[drowsy plank]

true!

[crude geode]

starlight river but it exists more like

[frail mantle]

starlight river was never real don't let "society" fool you

[crude geode]

So true

[grave zinc]

@idle plank - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Nerf the "Pumpler" ranged pre-hardmode weapon]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

@deft yew - Your suggestion has received an updated status!

[Give the Pumpler’s explosions independent immunity frames]

It has officially been implemented into the game, and will be available in the next update!
You can check out your suggestion again here: #suggestions-voting message

[gray nebula]

just found out that the pumpler grenades actually did like, their damage five times over

because they ignored all immunity frames

thats fixed

[idle plank]

ah nice

[crude geode]

#suggestions-voting message

[gray nebula]

yeah

now each explosion can hit at once

but before it was like

ONE explosion

hit multiple times

[crude geode]

Ohhhhh

Wacky

[gray nebula]

thats why it was so good agaisnt AS

Because you can have one grenade blast per segment

[crude geode]

AS

[gray nebula]

to deal like 5x damage 5x over

like 28 * 25 damage basically

not counting crits thats 700 per attack

well it might have been more than that i forgo

[deft yew]

lo

[swift wharf]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[prisma flicker]

what about this tho

[swift wharf]

drink an obsidian potion

[violet pivot]

are the devs planing on adding a sulfuric sea pylon?

[grim tusk]

Yes

Eventually™️

[violet pivot]

just asking before doing a suggestion thanks

[crude geode]

Can’t wait for abyss pylon

[austere lagoon]

Will they add a mushroom pylon

[grim tusk]

Already exists in vanilla

[austere lagoon]

Wait what

My world has been blessed by something new

[fossil mural]

Rest in peace pumpler

It was funny how broken it was though

[hollow shell]

(oathblade one probably coulda gotten exclam'd but whatever)

[swift wharf]

I like this dodge suggestion

Adding a minimal damage required to dodge outside of boss fights would be nice I think

[hollow shell]

Yeah

[hollow trellis]

wtf malice getting removed?

i enjoyed dissecting boss AI to conquer them .w.

[crude geode]

Play infernum

[frail mantle]

most people didn't (including the devs)

[crude geode]

Cal users racing to #suggestions-posting anytime they are mildly inconvenienced

[fossil mural]

i mean i kinda like the idea

if im being honest it feels like blood orb rates pre-bloodflare armor dont always feel fun

it makes me feel like i have to crank spawns to the absolute maxmimum with zerg + water candle + battle pot + chaos candle + fargos battle cry to get an 'acceptable' amount of bloodorbs in a night

being able to turn the endless amounts of blood tears that drop in a night into extra orbs wouldnt hurt anything

[ruby plover]

tbf, especially in death mode, you do get a LOT of bloody tears per moon
and since they aren't stackable, and are non consumable, at least making them something more than just trash fodder is cool

[drowsy plank]

how the hell did scaling endurance pot get into voting

[crude geode]

Bad management smh my head evil mods

[drowsy plank]

istg if it gets enough votes to pass just so it can guaranteed be shot down

[orchid cairn]

the nychtherema or however you spell it is overpowered i think

are there any testers online who can check that out

Nychthemeron

either its overpowered or every other rogue weapon in the same/similar tier is awful in comparison

[swift wharf]

@inner anvil

[inner anvil]

What's up now?

Nychtherema? The hell's that weapon? Alright, I'll test it.

[frail mantle]

nychthemeron

spiky ball weapon

[inner anvil]

Spiky Ball cringe.

[frail mantle]

last time i used it fifteen years ago it was actually pretty good

[inner anvil]

Can you even reforge it?

[swift wharf]

uhhh no I think

it's stackable

[inner anvil]

Bruh Moment™️.

[orchid cairn]

yeah you stack 10 of them

[inner anvil]

I tried only doing spam-rogue, the weapon seems bad at first.

Were you doing stealth strikes?

[orchid cairn]

yes

spam rogue isnt very good in general i think

the other thing that makes it really good is that normally you cant keep firing the homing shots because they only go out after the main spikes despawn

but if you throw them against a wall you can instantly throw them again

but even without doing that i think theyre really strong

[inner anvil]

@orchid cairn I tried the weapon, conclusions:

• Spam Rogue of this weapon is horrendous bad.
• Stealth Strike of this weapon in a fast target like Skeleton Prime is balanced.

• Stealth Strike of this weapon against slow targets like Destroyer is very powerful.

[grim tusk]

The bloody tear into blood orbs is a really good sugg

[inner anvil]

Storm, you're here! Go test this rogue weapon. :)

If you want of course.

[grim tusk]

Cant atm, away from home

Most spikeball spam seem to be support weapons

[inner anvil]

Do you know anything about Nychthemeron?

[grim tusk]

Spike ball

[swift wharf]

@ feedzuh

[inner anvil]

Well, I'll give this conclusion to that weapon.

[fossil mural]

tbf, many things destroy the destroyer

HVC, OSG come to mind as exceptional destroyer destroyers

Avalanche wrecks him pretty good too

[inner anvil]

Sorry, I'm a summoner tester, I don't know what those weapons are. :)

[fossil mural]

hydraulic volt crasher and avalanche are melee, OSG is orichalcum spiked gemstone, rogue

certified worm boss moment explains their strength against destroyer tbh

[minor shell]

anyone know if deerclops is getting a unique rev+ ai in this next update

[swift wharf]

wrong channel, but most likely

[small timber]

Sorry I dont exactly understand, what does the confused debuff suggestion do?

[north oracle]

On the player it reverses the a and d keys, so a makes you go right

[small timber]

Nono sorry I mean the suggestion in posting right now

[north oracle]

Oh, I think he wants the debuff to not be displayed above bosses that it has no effect on?

[small timber]

Oh ok, in that case I think it can like, be made clearer? At least I cant understand it

[north oracle]

That’s what I got out of it, not sure if that’s actually what he wants

[small timber]

@dawn trellis sorry for late ping, what exactly does the suggestion do? (At least I cant fully understand it)

Assuming it is so the debuff is not displayed on the enemy's head I do think the suggestion should make it clearer it is what you want, currently it is a bit confusing

The current version looks a bit like, you want bosses to be affected by confused debuff?

[grim tusk]

Known I suggested removing the inf pierce not quite long ago

[hollow shell]

I personally prefer for new upgraded potions to get added rather than making older potions scale
Feels more elegant that way, more in-line with Terraria

[small timber]

Oh right I completely blindsided by it after the yesterday endu scale with progression sugg

[grim tusk]

Ironskin becomes hallowskin or smth

[hollow shell]

Like how Profaned Rage is a direct upgrade to Rage, and does not stack with it

[small timber]

Let me change that real quick

[hollow shell]

👍

[swift wharf]

add it to titanscale or smth

[drowsy plank]

eh? that doesnt really help ironskin, it kinda just makes titan scale harder to get

[hollow shell]

Hm

Titan Scale does boost defense as a separate buff from Ironskin

Technically it can serve as a successor to it

but

I guess it doesn't really solve Ironskin becoming irrelevant, considering it isn't a mutually exclusive direct upgrade

[small timber]

to certain degree draconic elixir feels like the final upgraded combination of soaring + ironskin

[frail ivy]

the new ranger weapons changes sucks

p90 is absolutely useless and not fun now

I dont know whats the point of dealing more damage at point blank range since rangers are literally called "rangers" this especially sucks in multiplayer since I maxed out on damage any mobility/durability gear because we already have a melee tank and a summoner so I just stay away and damage

idk man ranger doesnt seem fun anymore

[hollow shell]

🤔

I am personally unsure how Point Blank Damage has affected ranger balancing since its addition

I don't know if it was just a straight buff to all applicable weps, or if those weapons have since been nerfed to account for it

[small timber]

the point blank damage is straight up a bonus, ranger weapons are not balanced for point blank, they are balanced for being far away

point blank is just something you can try to do, but if you dont do it the weapons still perform fine;
meanwhile it is just the case of p90 sucks (though I do hear about it pairing with cursed flame bullet being really good, but probably only mech-tier worthy)

[swift wharf]

point blank damage exists for a while now

and tf you mean ranger sucks

some stuff like pumpler is stupidly good

[small timber]

(pumpler is bugged and not intended to be that good)

[swift wharf]

shhh

other weapons are still really good

[small timber]

but ya in general ranger is designed to be the somewhat, mediocre class that is easy to use also?

[hollow shell]

Until the dust settles I will not know which behavior is the bugged one and which one was the intended one

[swift wharf]

ranger is like

the most balanced class I think

[sand ermine]

True

[small timber]

basically you require almost no skills or input to use ranger but they will always be good but never overpowered

[swift wharf]

yeah

it's really decent

but somewhat weaker compared to melee or summoner

[sand ermine]

I don't like looking back at my ranger past

[small timber]

summoner is straight up imbalanced, melee is messed up after the melee speed change so a lot of weapon balance are off

[sand ermine]

I enjoy being a melee main now

[hollow shell]

Basically, we need to make ranger more complex
Basically, we need to add a reload mechanic to every ranged weapon
Basically, we need to introduce gun heat and weapon jamming

[small timber]

for context ark of the cosmos do like, 30~50% more dps despite having 0 change before and after 1.4 port, just because of the melee speed global change

tbh I do feel the mod need to leave a class where you can "just play" and have completely simplistic mechanic, only leaving unique property to some specific weapons (eg: clockwork bow, titanium railgun...), but ya that might be just me

which is currently what ranger is: you just have to get weapon and a good ammo to pair with it and you are fine

[swift wharf]

we spoiled people with zany quirky weapons too much

[subtle sapphire]

Funny, I thought about this and rather than reloading I imagined ranger could be made more fun bu giving it some kind of aiming as baseline, like if daawnstar origin was automatically equipped. That or a buff for out of screen hits.

[hollow shell]

A buff for out of screen hits?

That's a take.

[soft quest]

Semi related to the last post in suggestion discussions, there seems to be a misconception ive seen recently that defense is useless in higher difficulties. I don't understand why this is the case. Yes, face tanking or regular tanking for that matter is bad, but that was never the point of defense in the first place. Defense is still useful in my eyes for 3 reasons

1. it reduces the amount of damage on first strike, allowing you to take 1-3 more hits. People seem to think that 3 hits isn't a lot in a battle, but in all reality it can be the factor between life and death in a lot more cases than you think

2. Being damaged less means you have to regenerate less total health for you to go above a "threshold" (aka the amount of hits you can take before you die). If i only need to regen 30 hearts and not 50, then I can take my second hit sooner than later.

3. It can allow you to trigger your "on hit" effects more often. While this isnt a big point, items like panic necklace and amidias spark early game have carried me through some things i might not have survived had i not had the speed or extra thorns effect. Defense helps dampen the sacrifice I make to get those effects.

Not to say I don't necessarily disagree with the post, 8 defense late game is like a drop in the bucket, and as debuffs and enemies become more and more powerful late game sometimes defense isn't the best. Then again i dont play on malice so i could very well be wrong

[small timber]

ya defense is REALLY good, even on master death, it is only bad at master ftw (but at master ftw you either play nohit or you spec defense so you can take 2-3 hits, which is still 2-3x survivability), and how people say defense is bad is basically this

(though if you are referring to the ironskin potion suggestion, it is less about 'defense is bad', but more about 'ironskin potion get outscaled')

[gray nebula]

tbh about point blank shot

i would really like if it was made only applicable to

point blank shot type weapons

.

like youre not gonna point blank someone with a bow thats just not how the brain goes

a shotgun or a pistol on the other hand

like i feel itd just increase the interestingness of the mechanic if instead of being slapped onto every ranger weapon under the sun it was only there for the ones that would feel intuitive to have it

like its basic psychology and less is more, because it makes it feel more important

Resisting the Urge i am Resisting the urge chat

[small timber]

(tbh point blank arrow probably should do less damage)

[gray nebula]

i am resisting the urge very hard very very hard i am sweating i am resisting the urge

[crude geode]

But Iban what would require differentiating Ranger “subclasses”

[gray nebula]

no just do it on a case by case basis

[small timber]

@junior jacinth suggestion for specific item (or SIS) is a don't, basically you cannot suggest items with their exact function, stats, style etc specified

[fossil mural]

Point blank is cool but yeah it only really makes logical sense on like shotguns and stuff

[gray nebula]

me point blank shotting people with my sniper rifle (i understand how guns are meant to be used)

[fossil mural]

I can't really comment on the viability of point blank though because I never really interacted with the mechanic intentionally

Anyway with the latest suggestion

Isn't mech suits just

Flamesteed ring

(also pretty sure that kind of suggestion isn't allowed?)

[small timber]

tbh bow/arrow should have a "medium range shot" where if the boss is hit by the arrow at a certain medium range it deals higher damage

shotgun is point blank, sniper technically is long range but it will basically double down damage

[gray nebula]

no bows and arrows sohuldnt have a "medium range" shot

they should not have point blank shot that was my point lets not throw in an additional layer of complexity by adding a "preffered range" thing

[fossil mural]

Now I'm curious how much damage a point blank AMR shot hitting a daawnlight crit would do

[small timber]

oh I thought it was about reworking point blank

[gray nebula]

no i was saying that itd both make the mechanic feel cooler and make more sense

to only have point blank shots on specific ranger weapons

instead of basically every ranger weapon (minus flamethrowers i think

[crude geode]

Something something terraria doesn’t make sense

[gray nebula]

it does make enough sense for people to suspend their disbelief

i think its called "piggybacking" in design (i might be misremembering)

reusing stuff thats ingrained in the collective consciousness

like explosive dangerous barrels being red and barrels

[crude geode]

Iban forgor their design class notes

[gray nebula]

shotguns? everyone knows you gotta get in close to maximize your damage

[crude geode]

Yeah makes sense

[gray nebula]

pistols? for sure shooting someone directly in the head point blank is gonna be more dangerous

a.. bow?

no depiction of bows in media has been shown to do that

none that exist in the collective imaginary at least

[crude geode]

I feel like the bow’s drawstring itself might be more dangerous then the actual arrow at that range

[drowsy plank]

ill be honest if i pulled all the way back on a bowstring with a sharp arrow and someone was standing a foot away from the tip yes it would probably do more "damage" (go through their skull) but like. that's lame as hell and makes no sense why are you using a bow like a melee weapon at that point just use the arrow like a dagger.

[hollow shell]

@strong depot Astral doesn't spread

There's no utilitarian purpose to including it in the percentages because it is always going to be the same

And also it only appears in one location, there is no Astral that is not accounted for

unlike the Evil and Hallow which can be seeded randomly in the world in vanilla upon smashing altars, in addition to the natural evils and the V

[ruby sentinel]

Still useful to know in case you want to try to get rid of it

Let's you know if you missed any

[strong depot]

exactly

and plus, the fact that it's not on there is just annoying to think about ontop of that

[hollow shell]

That sounds quite vague and subjective

But yeah sure if you wanna get rid of it I spose

[strong depot]

it's an ocd type thing, that's what i was trying to say

my bad

it also does kind of feel unintentional that it isnt there either, like theres no way to know it isn't supposed to be there on the world status despite being a world evil

[drowsy plank]

i think an independant tracker would actually be cool because another astral meteor has a chance of falling if there are less than a certain amount of astral blocks in the world i believe, so something more specific would not only make sense, but it'd be more useful too

make it some draedon tech i mean the new meteor falls after killing aureus anyway and he's technically a draedon mech so

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[small timber]

ya independent tracker makes a lot more sense, if dryad do it it will just be a static %

[strong depot]

i mean, would it be craftable, would you find it in a draedon lab or what

[drowsy plank]

who knows! up to the devs tbh

but the idea is prolly enough

[strong depot]

i mean if we make the idea now then they might have more of a chance to do it because they just, have the full concept already

[drowsy plank]

ehhh

not really

at most, make suggestions on the idea, like it could be craftable, it could be from a lab

just vague ideas

it could also list normal meteorite, could drop from draedon or astral related enemies, the core ideas is just something to track astral blocks for, well what you said, along with natural generation from aureus

[soft quest]

Could be an accuracy bonus type thing. more consecutive hit shots the more ramping damage/attack speed you do, but then you run into the problem of 1. homing stuff and 2. making big/slow bosses even easier

then again thats more of a sniper thing

you know what, i kinda just wish the daawnlight spirit origin applied to the entirety of ranger, it would definitley make the gameplay between ranger and mage slightly more different

mage is supposed to be different from ranger because resource management, but 600 max mana and mana flower kinda throw that out the window