calamity-addon-talk

[magic pelican]

it seems, no shadow wizard money gang just yet

[granite mulch]

idk what my next playthrough will be

[magic pelican]

do ragnarok and play solo healer

[granite mulch]

real

[frank mauve]

mage

[steady ermine]

idk what my playthrough will be either, won't have pc access for two weeks, so

[magic pelican]

ah shit

well

[steady ermine]

2:2 now, damn

[magic pelican]

its 2-2 currently

uhhh

has egg voted

@gloomy apex

mage or ranger for next playthrough

[granite mulch]

both good classes tbh

[magic pelican]

might've accidentally caused her death

[granite mulch]

as long as its not summoner /s

[gloomy apex]

Ranger

[frank mauve]

nooo

why not mage

[magic pelican]

Ranger it is

[frank mauve]

ok but do mage when 2.1.3 drop

[magic pelican]

when is?

[gloomy apex]

was busy grabbing arena prep stuff because oops

I uh

[frank mauve]

no idea

[magic pelican]

someone give me an anime character ranger name

dig deep in your bag

[granite mulch]

30th february

[gloomy apex]

Yoko

[granite mulch]

pokemon ranger

[dense ocean]

Gun Head.

[magic pelican]

Yoko Littner?

[gloomy apex]

yeah

[dense ocean]

Look I'm not an anime expert.

[granite mulch]

i need to start naming my char after something funny again

[magic pelican]

Clam these tits

[steady ermine]

my last three characters were named tiny cat/small spider/little bird

[dense ocean]

Johnathan Jost-shoot-them.

[frank mauve]

yoko

[steady ermine]

mermaid moment

[magic pelican]

wow 2 goes for yoko

[untold palm]

Dante (technically he has an anime but still)

[magic pelican]

guess its yoko

Mmm dante

[frank mauve]

yoko from gurren lagann js to be sure

[magic pelican]

[untold palm]

jackpoooot

[magic pelican]

yes I know who yoko is

[frank mauve]

yoyo

[granite mulch]

Clam crusher?!?!

[gloomy apex]

Right now that I have bast statues, heart lanterns, and campfires

this might go better

[steady ermine]

(idk what next one is going to be -- compact shoggoth or sth)

[granite mulch]

is there someone unironically using yoyo

[steady ermine]

(there's not that many animals i have associations with)

[magic pelican]

no

[frank mauve]

no we need to kill yoyos

[magic pelican]

he said yokos name

but it autocorrected to yoyo

funny shit

[frank mauve]

i lowk only like birds

[granite mulch]

🔥

[magic pelican]

Couldn't we like make yoyos cooler

that would be cool

[granite mulch]

i like calamity yoyos

vanilla yoyos though

[steady ermine]

i could do miniature magpie maybe

[granite mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/238329212337913856/1483190935469818150/attachment.gif

[steady ermine]

(i love magpies, they're so pretty)

[dense ocean]

Two of them.

[magic pelican]

I really liked the new one

[dense ocean]

It's alright. Some bizarre choices were made. Like, why does Dante use Nero's theme?

[candid flax]

best weapon imbue for infernum yharon melee

[magic pelican]

do we think theres a yoko littner vanity set out there

[frank mauve]

devil devastation and cosmic discharge when he standing still

[frank mauve]

agree

plus theyre usually white and black its so nice

[vocal aurora]

Hey ive just killed the lunatic cultist and about to kill the moonlord on my calamity world. I realised i want to play Hunt of the old good and wrath of the gods aswell. Will they work if i download them now and use cheat sheet to summon in Solyn?

[frank mauve]

hunt yes

wrath no

[vocal aurora]

Why will wrath not work?

[dense ocean]

No.

[frank mauve]

technically wotg yes but ull miss out on mars

[dense ocean]

Needs structures.

[frank mauve]

so u only get fight avatar and deity

[gloomy apex]

Potentially? Might be able to make some vanilla stuff work

[vocal aurora]

hmm what structures?

Since i can use cheat sheet to get all items

[dense ocean]

Permafrost's Keep.

[vocal aurora]

What do i get from there?

[dense ocean]

You also miss nearly all the mods content.

[vocal aurora]

Yes ive played it before

Long ago

But i dont remember so im fine with missing the early content

[granite mulch]

devils devastation
true melee murasama

[vocal aurora]

Whats in there that i need?

[grizzled spoke]

Summoner with Slime god whip makes her no hit a lot more easier than I thought

[dense ocean]

Frostblessed Seedling.

[vocal aurora]

Is that an item that i can get with cheat sheet?

Would that not work? Or am i thinking incorrectly

Thanks for answering so quicly btw

[frank mauve]

addon whips no wonder

[grizzled spoke]

It's pretty balanced tbh

it doesn't do crazy damage

[steady ermine]

unbalanced calamity whips moment

[candid flax]

what is cosmic discharge

[steady ermine]

dog drop

[grizzled spoke]

Calamity players when I show them a normal whip:

I tried the same with bone whip btw, I killed her almost as fast

[grizzled spoke]

I mean...it's a pretty cool whip

what's the problem with it?

[frank mauve]

summoner is already strong why use extra whips from mods lol

[grizzled spoke]

Bcz why not?

people can play as they want

also it's does decent damage and not giant BS

200DPS for end-pre hardmode is pretty balanced for me

[gloomy apex]

is it even worth using daawnlight if I'm usin a rocket launcher?

[grizzled spoke]

and well...my imp staff does around 800DPS

bcz I have 6 of them

Sooo...I shouldn't use them?

bcz they are doing a lot of damage?

[honest plank]

that's not their point don't worry

[grizzled spoke]

Hmm

but yeah

[honest plank]

it's just that calamity addons like those are unbalanced

but i do agree, play as you want!

[gloomy apex]

ough I gotta eat somethin

[grizzled spoke]

I just use Catalyst extra whips bcz well...using kaleidoscope for the rest of the game is boring

[gloomy apex]

havent hit Dsp in a while

[grizzled spoke]

yeah, specially goozma

[gloomy apex]

still

consistently reaching last phase

[granite mulch]

nebulash on crack or smth

[honest plank]

yes i do agree, summoner needs more whips

[gloomy apex]

Just gotta be better

[honest plank]

esp post moonlord for calamity mod

or post hard mode

[grizzled spoke]

catalyst atleast is balanced in the sense that Intergalactic armor doesn't make you invincible but allow you to survive better, but is better to replace it after providence

[grizzled spoke]

Yeah...hope devs get a extra hug and a "I love you" so they add finally extra whips

[honest plank]

fr

[dense ocean]

They have to rebalance Summoner first.

[grizzled spoke]

yeahhh

Mainly cuz it's like...the easiest class of all?

[honest plank]

yes, adding whips would require balancing summons

[grizzled spoke]

compared to vanilla

I mean, everything from summoner is easy asf to get

compared to other classes

[honest plank]

might not be the biggest of problems

its maybe just not punishing enough

[grizzled spoke]

The massive amount of DPS minions can get and that you only needs to focus on dodge and nothing more?

[honest plank]

yes!

maybe, a debuff or attack that punishes a big dps output

[grizzled spoke]

Kinda like mana sickness?

[frank mauve]

summoner being glass cannon is also a myth

[honest plank]

indeed

[dense ocean]

That would be a bizarre way to balance it.

[grizzled spoke]

50 defense in pre hardmode is a lot for summoner

[honest plank]

it would def be a way!

[dense ocean]

They just need to reduce the strength of the minions to account for whips, since all Calamity summons are made without whips in mind.

[honest plank]

yes, that was what i was saying

[dense ocean]

Then they have to make whips with unique effects that don't also break the game balance.

[honest plank]

the kaleidoscope mindset..

[grizzled spoke]

I mean, every class punish you if you don't play them properly...but summoner? nah

[honest plank]

honestly summoner is the definition of "just dodge"

[grizzled spoke]

yep

massive amount of DPS
Easy to get all accesories and armor
just focus on dodge

dawg

[smoky dock]

summoner is possible to fuck up
but if you fuck up summoner it’s just as good as everything else

[honest plank]

i might play rogue in my next infernum run

[smoky dock]

if you do summoner right it just like, stomps the hell out of everything

[grizzled spoke]

Pretty much what I'm doing

[smoky dock]

mm hm

[honest plank]

i think its a good class overall, i dont have any issue with it, its also my favorite class

[smoky dock]

it is

yeah

my favorite is true melee :)))))))

[grizzled spoke]

the jungle whip and desert scourge star summon shredded half pre-hardmode

[honest plank]

based

[grizzled spoke]

Same

True melee after new update and my last playghthrough became one of my favorite classes

[smoky dock]

and then you get necrosteocytes

[honest plank]

alright guys im going back to class

[smoky dock]

and once you get necrosteocytes you can just like uhhh

[honest plank]

teacher stopped yapping

[smoky dock]

beat the crap out of deus

[grizzled spoke]

I went directly to imp staff

[half jewel]

how do u interact with solyn using the dormant key

[smoky dock]

WHAAA

no necrosteocytes????????

[honest plank]

open the door

[grizzled spoke]

and they shredded every other boss

[half jewel]

?

[grizzled spoke]

800DPS is absurd

[honest plank]

ur refering to the ice biome base i suppose?

[grizzled spoke]

for pre-hardmode post evil boss staff

[smoky dock]

also heat debuffs atm are kinda busted for pre hardmode

[half jewel]

no when the ice npc gives u a key it says u can give it to solyn

[honest plank]

permafrost?

[grizzled spoke]

yeah

[half jewel]

ye

[honest plank]

are you on multiplayer perchance

[half jewel]

no

[honest plank]

hmmm, maybe you have to timeskip?

[untold palm]

talk to solyn

[grizzled spoke]

in all my playghtroughs, even if not summoner, I tend to grab ancient ice chunk summon for extra damage...now gonna focus on it for early hardmode

[honest plank]

most sollyn quests requires the passage of time

[untold palm]

she'll tp

then you use the key

[honest plank]

sleep for the day and talk to sollyn

[half jewel]

i mean like whats the normal way to interact with it

[honest plank]

interact with her

if she says nothing about it

then sleep

until the next morning

[grizzled spoke]

I mean, getting 3 minions no matter the class? that's a good amount of extra damage!

[honest plank]

then talk to her again

[grizzled spoke]

1 base minion slot plus bewitched plus the minion potion

[honest plank]

me too, i love having extra buddies too

[grizzled spoke]

Same

[honest plank]

my minions and the axe are my best companions

[grizzled spoke]

I always like to use a summoner weapon for all my runs

Extra damage is extra damage

[honest plank]

the yapper axe

[honest plank]

yuh huh

[grizzled spoke]

also really hope they fix providence summon staff

it's bugged

or atleast for me

[honest plank]

its been like that for a while iirc

[grizzled spoke]

yeah

[frank mauve]

theres a mod that fixes it

[grizzled spoke]

Hmm?

[frank mauve]

theres a mod that fixes the bug

[candid flax]

yoo devastation is op im not going to lie lol/ what wings do i take the seprah tracers or wings or rebirth

[frank mauve]

rebirth

[half jewel]

its been like 3 days she hasnt mentioned it

[grizzled spoke]

do ya have the link?

[candid flax]

btw ty lowd u helped me my whole playthrough lol

[frank mauve]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3680323138&searchtext=

[frank mauve]

no worries glad to help

[honest plank]

she might be bugged then? i haven't reaallyy played WOTG cuz its kinda buggy, so maybe you need to use dragon lens to debug her quest

[grizzled spoke]

thx ya

[candid flax]

so now i have to fight the primordial wyrm ? never seen anyvbody fight it

[grizzled spoke]

Hope Goozmagagagagagagag- 2.0 makes it a actual good boss

[frank mauve]

u can fight it for fun

but it doesnt have any good drop for melee

[candid flax]

ok ill skip it for now

is there lore for the primordial wyrm?

[grizzled spoke]

big worm

[frank mauve]

no idea

[grizzled spoke]

Basically, old ravager

the "loreless" man

[elder nebula]

it has lore

we just don't know much rn

[grizzled spoke]

I see

well...just big worm

until they tell us

the rest

[elder nebula]

it's one of the first draconic offshoots alongside old duke, and was blessed by silva

and fucking hates primordial light for some reason

[grizzled spoke]

The fact that thing is related to dragons is funny asf for me

Old duke I can see the vision

[elder nebula]

wyverns, eidolon wyrms, basilisks, pigrons and follies are also dragons

[grizzled spoke]

I mean, I can understand with everyone

except eidolon wyrms

bcz they don't have NOTHING of dragonic in their look

[elder nebula]

wyrms are literally a kind of dragon

like that's what the word means

[static flax]

Astralpod good summon?

[grizzled spoke]

The problem is that eidolon wyrms are just...worms

nothing close to dragons or other wyrms from media

just worms

[honest plank]

whats wrong with worms☹️

[grizzled spoke]

and that they share name

[grizzled spoke]

There's nothing wrong with them

[maiden cobalt]

theyre very old worms

[elder nebula]

how are you complaining about wyrms being dragons but not basilisks

[grizzled spoke]

bcz basilisk atleast have a kind of "Dragonic" look

[maiden cobalt]

what abt pigrons

[grizzled spoke]

Reading their lore and specially old duke makes sense

[elder nebula]

there's not one "draconic look" in calamity

[maiden cobalt]

old duke is pigron no longer (in current plan)

[elder nebula]

dragons are extremely diverse

[grizzled spoke]

BUT THIS DUDE? BEING A CLOSE RELATIVE TO DRAGON?

[dense ocean]

Wyrms.

Wyrm means dragon.

[maiden cobalt]

i believe they mean “looks somewhat like yharon”

as thats really their only reference

[grizzled spoke]

No no no

[dense ocean]

You should see its brother.

[grizzled spoke]

I know abt the lore abt the rest

[grizzled spoke]

There's nothing of "dragonic" of it

[maiden cobalt]

someone pull up the dragon of storms i think it has a drawing

[elder nebula]

it is a dragon

[dense ocean]

So?
It's still a dragon.

[grizzled spoke]

if ya didn't tell me that's a dragon, no one would see it at first

[elder nebula]

ok

[maiden cobalt]

whats your definition of Dragon

[dense ocean]

But this is instantly draconic?

[maiden cobalt]

its vaguely Chudragon shaped

[elder nebula]

it's a pig shark

[grizzled spoke]

Eidolon Wyrm isn't dragon shaped too

[maiden cobalt]

with wings mr xzier

with wings

[dense ocean]

Have you not heard of an Eastern Dragon?

[elder nebula]

there isn't a dragon shape 😭

[grizzled spoke]

Scaly reptilian creature

[elder nebula]

so yharon's not a dragon?

[maiden cobalt]

the fish is a dragon

[grizzled spoke]

Eastern dragon are also reptilian creatures

[maiden cobalt]

like Fish

[elder nebula]

yharon doesn't have scales

therefore not a dragon

[dense ocean]

By your definition, if it looks like a dinosaur, it's not a dragon.

[elder nebula]

[grizzled spoke]

I mean, all of them share things!

And with yharon anyone can believe it's a dragon!

[elder nebula]

this chart doesn't apply to calamity

[dense ocean]

Why on Earth does it have fairy listed as dragon?

[elder nebula]

wyverns would be lung dragons

[maiden cobalt]

this chart has done irreperable damage

[dense ocean]

Everyone knows Fairy is Super Effective against Dragon!

[grizzled spoke]

This one is worse, right?

[elder nebula]

knucker 😭 😭 😭

what is that

[maiden cobalt]

its not loading

[frank mauve]

drake

[dense ocean]

Knuckles' long lost third cousin who was abandoned as a child.

[grizzled spoke]

a aquatic dragon from english myths

[grizzled spoke]

basically this

[dense ocean]

Also, wyrm and drake are just words for dragon, they don't have a 'canonical' design in real life, they're fictional species.

Skyrim, for example, frequently refers to Alduin as a worm.

[grizzled spoke]

This fan redesign makes me see it more as a dragon for example!

Seeing it I can know it's dragon related!

[elder nebula]

looks bad chief

[grizzled spoke]

normal eidolon wyrm not!

[dense ocean]

Doesn't look like a dragon at all.

[elder nebula]

also
the point is that calamity dragons can look like basically anything

[grizzled spoke]

Vestigial wings now look more like fins, a more reptilian like jaw...

[little steppe]

fun fact xzier is actually a dragon

[dense ocean]

It's also not exactly imposing. It's only slightly larger than other Abyssal creatures.

[grizzled spoke]

I'm a dragon too

[dense ocean]

So?
Looks like a big fish.

[little steppe]

nop

[dense ocean]

I saw stuff like that in Resident Evil.

[little steppe]

u classify as hog

[elder nebula]

nuh uh
i'm bees

[little steppe]

check again

[grizzled spoke]

You know that a lot of real animals have that, right?

[grizzled spoke]

Then...that's a confusing thing

[dense ocean]

Yeah, and none of them are dragons.

[dense ocean]

How?

[grizzled spoke]

That's kinda rude tbh

[dense ocean]

Dragon is just a category.

Of things descended from a group.

[grizzled spoke]

But beings descended from a group share traits or things

[maiden cobalt]

yeah this one sucks

[grizzled spoke]

calamity dragons no

[dense ocean]

Yeah, the group wasn't formed by genetics.

[maiden cobalt]

this looks more reaper shark

[grizzled spoke]

Then how do you want normal people to discover the calamity dragons are dragons?!

[elder nebula]

anyway, all of these are dragons

they do not look alike

[dense ocean]

By the fact that you are told this by the #1 dragon fan. Ok, #2.

[grizzled spoke]

HOW?

Like how do you want them?

[little steppe]

READ!!!!

[grizzled spoke]

if people who don't know abt the lore don't tell them

then they wouldn't know!

[dense ocean]

"Near the close of the Draconic Era, there are records of the "impure" dragon species.
Wyverns, basilisks, Pigrons and the like are documented. Though none are sure how exactly they came to be.
To this day, scholars argue over the true names and lineages of these creatures.
Names aside: it is clear the first offshoots are pure enough to retain the great strength of their forebears.
Naturally, this led them to be targeted by cruel divine mandates, and most were hunted to extinction.
It is known that Fishrons, Follies, and the Abyssal Wyrms survived the purging hunts of the Deific Era.
Notably, they now are all reclusive or exceedingly violent. It is tragic how they evolved to be that way."

Here you go.

[grizzled spoke]

Yharom and wyvern works bcz people can easily guess they are dragons

[dense ocean]

This is how you are told it in-game.

[grizzled spoke]

Without reading the lore

just by design

[elder nebula]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[dense ocean]

THEN YOU WON'T KNOW ANYTHING OBVIOUSLY!

[grizzled spoke]

AND THAT'S A PROBLEM

[elder nebula]

you're asking people to know the lore without reading the lore

[dense ocean]

HOW AM I MEANT TO KNOW SOMETHING IF I DON'T TRY TO LEARN IT!?

[gloomy apex]

Anyways chekc out lore chat im sure its on topic

maybe

[dense ocean]

Since you're just here to start arguments, you can just leave.

[grizzled spoke]

No no no

well, gonna go to lore discussion

I was just asking how do you want normal people to know they are dragons without reading the lore, just that, just design wise

[dense ocean]

Why should we cater to idiots?

[little steppe]

people wouldnt know who yharim is without reading until the actual fight man

[grizzled spoke]

"IT'S THE DUDE FROM THE MENU BACKGROUND!"

[elder nebula]

it doesn't say his name in the menu 😭 😭 😭

[candid flax]

does thi not exist anymore?

[grizzled spoke]

I mean, using design

[frank mauve]

renamed

[elder nebula]

sacred strawberry

[grizzled spoke]

Design wise you will knew it

[candid flax]

ty

[grizzled spoke]

without reading all the lore

[dense ocean]

If you don't care to read the lore, then there is not a single situation that you care about what is or isn't a dragon.

Obviously.

[grizzled spoke]

kinda narcissist ngl

[elder nebula]

whuh

[grizzled spoke]

but yeah

[little steppe]

yeah I mean

if someone doesnt read do they really care at all?

[honest plank]

mmm worms

[elder nebula]

if you don't wanna read the lore then you don't deserve to know the lore

[grizzled spoke]

Worms are cool

[elder nebula]

pretty self explanatory

[honest plank]

you should def play calamity for the lore

[grizzled spoke]

I like Cal lore BUT...what happens with normal people?

i was talking design wise

[elder nebula]

normal people can still read??

[candid flax]

this loadout good for late game ? exo and cal

[honest plank]

wdym normal people😭

[dense ocean]

IF YOU DON'T CARE TO READ A GODDAMN THING YOU DON'T CARE IF SOMETHING IS TECHNICALLY A DRAGON!

[elder nebula]

yeah it's fine

[grizzled spoke]

I just said...how do you expect DESIGN WISE, someone to figure out that such a being is a dragon?

I think you're taking this very seriously

[dense ocean]

Your argument is inherently nonsensical and you obviously only wish to start fights. Leave.

[dense ocean]

WHO CARES!!!!!!!!

[frank mauve]

pretty good

[grizzled spoke]

Gonna way 400 years for this btw

[elder nebula]

why does that matter

[candid flax]

if i wanted MORE dmg what could i switch

[grizzled spoke]

Kinda gliche but it's cool

[honest plank]

you just sent a chart that applies to dragon-like beings

[fading dove]

wait until you learn about real life animals

[frank mauve]

prolly switch out rampart or sponge

[elder nebula]

sponge for amalgam

[frank mauve]

^

[grizzled spoke]

I love animals, do you think I don't know that?

but

even descendant of groups share things

[elder nebula]

dragons weren't all born from the same place

they're a collection of creatures that got auric souls

[misty steppe]

Is it possible to generate ftw world with infernum enabled ?

[fading dove]

no

[honest plank]

platypuses are NOT mammals!!

[little steppe]

dinosaur btw

[elder nebula]

[grizzled spoke]

Ugh, I know BUT I was talking abt design wise...just that

[gloomy apex]

MADE IT TO THE END OF DSP IT'S WITHIN REACH

[grizzled spoke]

can't we stop dragging this?

[elder nebula]

it doesn't matter bruh

[frank mauve]

strongest birb

[grizzled spoke]

Design wise always matter

[honest plank]

i mean its still addon talk

[grizzled spoke]

and even more that lore wise

well...

depends

[elder nebula]

what

[dense ocean]

Newsflash, it is a dragon in the lore.

[elder nebula]

your grammar makes no sense

[frank mauve]

dragons addon mod

[dense ocean]

There is no counterargument.

Now leave.

[gloomy apex]

I just need to not fumble during the vertical lasers and I have this in the bag

[honest plank]

i mean, there are plenty of dragons

[grizzled spoke]

Show this to a paleontologist and they'll break your neck!

[little steppe]

oh wow I want to show off evolution of offshots through design I will make these offshots that lived in the literal depths where no one went to at all very similar to an average dragon!!!!

[dense ocean]

It's clear this guy doesn't care about dragons in the slightest.

[merry harness]

from what i see they just seem to be saying there is different ways of converying lore across to the consumer than items that specifically require reading, could be wrong tho since i only saw a bit of what they r saying

[frank mauve]

they do sm dmg lol

[grizzled spoke]

I'm a dragon lover

[dense ocean]

Obviously.

[elder nebula]

that's a good point

doesn't apply here though

[grizzled spoke]

btw, this is a jk

but current birds

[merry harness]

whys that

[grizzled spoke]

are heavily related to dinosaurs, but aren't dinosaurs themself

[elder nebula]

it's impossible to make all offshoots recognizable as "dragons" (not really an actual category) without the designs being bad

uniqueness is good, shockingly enough

[grizzled spoke]

How to train your dragon did it in a good way

[elder nebula]

they're all european dragons 😭

[dense ocean]

This isn't the most inaccurate to source material adaption ever made, it's Calamity.

[fading dove]

dragon is about as broad of a term as sauropsida i'd prolly say

[gloomy apex]

I forgot about the bursts at the end as well

[grizzled spoke]

Yeah, but! sauropsids still share things

[merry harness]

@grizzled spoke what even is ur point

[grizzled spoke]

The entire group share smoll small things

[dense ocean]

The dragons are not all genetically related as far as we know.

[frank mauve]

oh u dont know the route this hurts to watch

[elder nebula]

yeah like
obviously basilisks aren't related to wyverns

[gloomy apex]

last time I ran infernum exo mechs were brand new

[hollow elbow]

❌

Whispering and screaming death

[grizzled spoke]

WRONG

only like one or two are PURE european dragons

[dense ocean]

They were likely a variety of races descended from the Auric Dragons, who were all mostly aligned with each other but may not have been composed of one species.

[merry harness]

idk about cal lore but i wouldnt assume the way calamity uses the word dragon has any/much relation to use of it in different cultures,

[elder nebula]

all of those except the top left and right are blatantly european inspired

[frank mauve]

but yeah u should watch someone do scal dsp to make it easier x100

[gloomy apex]

What in the fuck kind of path is that

[lilac scarab]

Are my accessories good for Goozma? Kinda got his first phase down but his 2nd phase is 😐

Also I’m stuck using Supernova

[gloomy apex]

I see the path I must walk

It's time.

[frank mauve]

u got this!!!

[elder nebula]

swap dheart for shattered community imo

[grizzled spoke]

Deadly nadders and Monstrous Nightmare are more wyvern like instead of pure west dragon

[elder nebula]

...wyverns are still european

[grizzled spoke]

Scauldrons are aquatic dragons and you can noice it easily

[grizzled spoke]

but aren't pure dragons

[elder nebula]

i never said shit about pure??

[lilac scarab]

Kinda like the extra heal, I think my damage is good

[lilac scarab]

It feels like they buffed him a bunch since my last playthrough

[dense ocean]

They are in How To Train Your Dragon.

[wise thicket]

this is what I get for dabbling with compatibility mods that focus on difficulty support

[dense ocean]

Which you'd know if you even watched it.

[hollow elbow]

I can get better pictures of any in specific if curiosity is piqued

[grizzled spoke]

Show all of these designs to someone who don't know abt dragons and they will say "They are all the same"

[hollow elbow]

One of them is a pufferfish buffalo

[dense ocean]

So you're saying you don't like it?

[elder nebula]

i never said they're the same???????? 😭 😭

[grizzled spoke]

never talked abt you btw

[elder nebula]

it was very much implied

[grizzled spoke]

Sorry, bad mine

[candid flax]

theres no video on how to defeat exo mech wraht of the machines?

[grizzled spoke]

I apologize

[dense ocean]

There's probably a lot. Although most would probably be using Fargo's Souls stuff.

[grizzled spoke]

"I like hotcakes

Oh, So you hate waffles!"

[dense ocean]

That is how talk, yes.

[grizzled spoke]

Thanks for confirming that you were ragebaiting me

[grizzled spoke]

Out of topic, a lot of hese designs go hard

[dense ocean]

Yes, that was what you were doing.

[hollow elbow]

Race to the edge was a great show (where many if not most are from)

[grizzled spoke]

yep!

[vital mulch]

[grizzled spoke]

I really liked it

[candid flax]

are those stuff op?

[grizzled spoke]

No I didn't!

[lilac scarab]

Any tips on how to dodge the phase 2 lightning at least?

[grizzled spoke]

Tbh...pray

Jk

you need to circle goozma

when he does the death laser

[lilac scarab]

Well yeah that attack is piss easy

[gloomy apex]

Martians are Invading

[grizzled spoke]

ALL YOUR FAULT ELON MUSK

[gloomy apex]

Fate of the world at stake here and Martians choose now to show up

[grizzled spoke]

Hmm, usually...I just shredd goozma due how OP my weapons are

[gloomy apex]

I AM BELOW SEA LEVEL WHY ARE THERE PROBES HERE

[lilac scarab]

Man I wanna beat him and the 2 wotg bosses but I’m burnt out on this playthrough. I got my final weapon and beat SCal with it

[grizzled spoke]

What's it's

[gaunt igloo]

does infernum or calamity change where the shimmer spawns?

[dense ocean]

No.

[lilac scarab]

Was doing supernova components only run

[dense ocean]

It even adds an oil rig to find it.

[grizzled spoke]

Yeah, makes it easier

to detect

[gaunt igloo]

damn I followed it for a while and thought wth this is leading nowhere

[grizzled spoke]

Ahh yes, the "aura farmer" rogue weapon

[gaunt igloo]

im going back to it ig

[lilac scarab]

It’s probably my fav just bc it’s so fun to use

[grizzled spoke]

Tbh same

It's fun to use

and you farm aura

well...like all rogue weapons

yes

including the 150 bricks

[lilac scarab]

Might try boss rush at least and see how far I get but idk if I wanna be a completionist like I usually am

[dense ocean]

Obtain the rock.

[lilac scarab]

Doing this run has probably been my hardest Calamity playthrough besides infernum

[grizzled spoke]

Atleast you didn't masodeath

Out of joke

I ask myself if it's possible to complete a Legendary masodeath run...hmm

[dense ocean]

No, because you would be on Malice, not Death.

[grizzled spoke]

I mean, there's no masomalice

[frank mauve]

legdeath is called malice now

[fathom abyss]

holy shit i no longer have the desire to ever use my world warpers relic of deliverance is sick af

[frank mauve]

so yes masomalice

[grizzled spoke]

ah

[frank mauve]

honestly u could also just keep calling leg masodeath who cares

it gets the point across

[grizzled spoke]

yeah

never saw someone complete it btw

only guy on youtube who posted it used Hero's mod

but idk if he used the god mode

bcz he suffered damage

but ya understand me

[gloomy apex]

May have made a critical misinput

And warped outside the arena

[frank mauve]

death

[smoky dock]

that doesn’t really prove anything

[smoky dock]

that’s totally normal

[merry harness]

considering legendary maso has been no hit before leg masodeath would be easier

so yea its been beat

[gloomy apex]

God the movement for the first part of DSP is a pain

[frank mauve]

u gotta start top left

[gloomy apex]

I do its just a pain to adjust as the second part starts

I got this though i just really beefed earlier I can absolutely do this

[blissful birch]

Im struggling with the queen jellyfish and idk what weapon to use

both bladecrest oathsword and pearl pike i've tried but they dont seem to be good enough

[pallid grove]

You try using monstrous knives?

[lilac scarab]

Made it to exos, I’m satisfied

[blissful birch]

nope

[pallid grove]

They basically vampire knives prehardmode edition

[blissful birch]

ill try

any other recommendations?

[pallid grove]

What's your gear?

[dense ocean]

You're not even going to beat up the homeless woman?

[pallid grove]

That armour set is unfamiliar to me🤔

[blissful birch]

molten

[pallid grove]

I see

[lilac scarab]

Did it once already

[blissful birch]

Molten Armor
Asmodeus' ring
BoC
the ring
SoC
terraspark boots
yellow horseshoe balloon

[pallid grove]

If you're not getting hit super often using crimson armour might help you get more of your health back while not giving up too much dmg

[blissful birch]

im getting hit quite a bit and if i do its usually in a chain

so if i get hit once i just get combod

because the bubbles push me up so high that i cant see the next ones

the bubbles from the bottom are the only thing thats dangerous to me

[pallid grove]

I see🤔

Might just be a case of keeping a closer eye on them then

Cause you have a few mobility based accessories already

[blissful birch]

yeahh probably

got quite a long fight just now so maybe with my partner i can beat it

[pallid grove]

👍

[wise cairn]

does infernum scal's dash do damage while she's doing the dash + bombs attack

i feel like i should know the answer to this

but i don't

[magic pelican]

no

[wise cairn]

sounds right tbh

[magic pelican]

It doesn't as far as ive been going

[wise cairn]

because i've 100% gotten smacked in the face by her dash and taken no damage

[frank mauve]

she doesnt have contact damage ever in inf

[wise cairn]

good change tbh

[young token]

CRYOGEN IS BEATING MY ASS

[magic pelican]

real

class?

[young token]

stealth rogue

[magic pelican]

yeah stealth rogue was hard

cryo especially

[obtuse elbow]

Those boots

take them off

[magic pelican]

how long are your fights typically?

[young token]

why is stealth even a thing if spam is better or so I have heard

[obtuse elbow]

ger wings

get wings

stop using balloon

[magic pelican]

correct

[obtuse elbow]

use literally anything else over those boota

boots*

[magic pelican]

Use uhhh

[young token]

hold on old screen shot

[magic pelican]

fairy boots

[obtuse elbow]

yeah

[magic pelican]

what the fuck are those

[obtuse elbow]

Frog boots

[young token]

amphibian boots sir

[magic pelican]

never seen them in my life icl

still should grab Fairy Boots

[young token]

they are vanilla they help with flight/jump speed

[magic pelican]

They need to buff stealths early game damage

[obtuse elbow]

i never played rogue so i can only give generally useful advice

[magic pelican]

I have played rogue, stealth in specific

[young token]

same I thought that stealth was the main way people played rogue turns out stealth is actually ass

[magic pelican]

only got to dog because my character corrupted

[young token]

dame

[magic pelican]

stealth is fun though, it will make you better at the game

for example

I had 99 provi attempts till I beat her, and on my melee run beat her in 5

[obtuse elbow]

Stealth is only good during certain stages

[magic pelican]

Tis correct

[young token]

yeah I heard if you know what your doing it has the highest dps of any class

[obtuse elbow]

The real trick is to do your first playthrough as true melee

[magic pelican]

End game mostly but yeah stealth shines in a few places

[young token]

not cryogen appearnty

[obtuse elbow]

I did my first infernum playthrough as true meleee

[magic pelican]

No my cryo fight was like 10 minutes lol

[gloomy apex]

I WAS RIGHT THERE

IT STARTED

THE DEATH ANIMATION STARTED

[obtuse elbow]

True Melee Cryo is genuinely worse than Chinese water torture

[young token]

fr? I also did a tmelee run but it was expert death I got to dog and gave up

[obtuse elbow]

I am reffering to infernum

[magic pelican]

yeah cryo doesn't get close to you

[young token]

yeah I can see why he bearly gets close to you

[magic pelican]

How are the runs going egg

[obtuse elbow]

i ended up defeating cryogen with starcloak

[obtuse elbow]

and letting him hit me a lot

[gloomy apex]

I WAS RIGHT

THERE

I HAVE THIS IN THE BAG

the clip is taking forever to upload give it like, a minute

two tops

[magic pelican]

I believe in you

[gloomy apex]

I made it through DSP

but died to bleed out

[magic pelican]

I need a new clipping service that isn't fucking overwolf

[obtuse elbow]

SCAL?

[magic pelican]

yeah

[young token]

I think a good way to do it is to get the submarine shocker from aquatic scourage

[magic pelican]

Doesn't fully work

[spiral jewel]

That is nerfed like, a lot

[magic pelican]

its hard to bait him in

and yeah, it got nerfed to the fucking ground

[obtuse elbow]

Cal devs: we support true melee opression!!!

[young token]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[obtuse elbow]

the weapon barely has range why the fuck did they nerf it

[magic pelican]

Taking away the 150% size increase was stupid

[fading dove]

"cal devs" and its fabsol's boss design

[magic pelican]

Wait true

Have they removed eveyrthing from them yet

[young token]

fabsol developed infernum too? I thought it was fan made project

[spiral jewel]

Cause mixed with quick ram dashes with the slagsplitter it made plantera golem and any boss with a small enough hitbox an free kill

[spiral jewel]

You know that the nerf was post the fabsol purge right?

[fading dove]

calamity weapons are balanced around calamity mod! hope this helps!

[obtuse elbow]

ALTARS OF APOSTASY STARTED TO PLAY WHEN SCAL ENTERRED HER BROTHER PHASE LOL

[frank mauve]

damn u can see the whole arena wth

[fading dove]

a mech alt drop should not be top 10 for golem

yes, subshocker is weaker now, but that's because the boss design doesn't let it function
the boss design didn't let it function before, but it just brute forced through it with unparalleled damage on tier

[young token]

submarine shocker + slagsplitter was genuinly the best momments in my tmelee run

[magic pelican]

Don't go so far away from her in dsp p2

[young token]

does it still cheese destroyer tho?

[gloomy apex]

Better zoom

[gloomy apex]

I tried to stick close lol

I got this

[frank mauve]

u know for dsp2 u can just circle her right

[gloomy apex]

after all

[frank mauve]

no need for extra movement

[magic pelican]

^

[gloomy apex]

adaptability is key

[frank mauve]

thats what kills you

[magic pelican]

holy heart statues

[young token]

dark souls 2 reference?

[fading dove]

unless these are hooked up in a wave most of these are useless

statues don't spawn hearts if theres 3 nearby or 10 in the world

[gloomy apex]

Ah

[magic pelican]

Bros beein using heart statues without actually using heart statues

[gloomy apex]

Well im not cutting the wires

[fading dove]

the only reason why my inf dog arena could do that is because every heart statue had its own logic sensor

each and every single one of them

[magic pelican]

you hate yourself don't you

good lord

[fading dove]

oh no i just used dragonlens

[magic pelican]

ah

shocker

T-T

[fading dove]

tbf it was a batshit insane challenge nohit

elysian aegis damage only lava chicken broth

[magic pelican]

lava chicken broth

[fading dove]

i wasn't gonna be gathering several thousand heart statues by hand

[magic pelican]

what the fuck

[magic pelican]

only a few heart statues

[fading dove]

only a spoonful of em

[gloomy apex]

ITS DONE

I DID IT

[magic pelican]

I remember seeing starlight river years ago

GG'S

HOW'D IT GO

[gloomy apex]

ALMOST PERFECT DSP

so turns out

they wont spawn healing items

[magic pelican]

@fading dove is it any good?

[gloomy apex]

but the statues will queue them up

[fading dove]

uhhhhhh

[gloomy apex]

I had an almost constant supply of health lmao

[fading dove]

never played it myself but it does look interesting

[magic pelican]

It looks so sick i

i've always wanted to give it a go

[magic pelican]

Really really good dsp

tbf you probably didn't need the heart statues

@frank mauve @woven rune have either of you played Starlight River

[gloomy apex]

Probably not lmao thats the best part

Time for boss rush prep

[frank mauve]

nop

[magic pelican]

Damn

[woven rune]

nope

[magic pelican]

sigh

[frank mauve]

finally 🔥🔥

[floral epoch]

Why does this picture remind me of that dude from a video who captured all the seagulls and stored them in the ocean biome lmao

[magic pelican]

@gloomy apex my yoko, well, as best as I could get her

[gloomy apex]

Hell yeah looks good

[magic pelican]

you rember the city that gurren lagann is based in

Kamina City peak

[chrome pulsar]

Any mods that overhaul boss ai but aren’t as micrododging focused as infernum?

[magic pelican]

doesn't fargos kinda work for that

[frank mauve]

build it

[chrome pulsar]

How far did their adjustments go

[fading dove]

every vanilla bosses, all cal bosses up to and including calclone, along with old duke and exos

[chrome pulsar]

And does it still have like 20 bullshit debuffs for every hit you take?

[magic pelican]

But like what specifically

[fading dove]

1

and the debuffs arent even bad

[chrome pulsar]

Fair

I have wrath of the machines and I like those exos more than infernum

So I might give it a try

[fading dove]

disable it if you're using souls dlc

[magic pelican]

[young token]

fuck cryogen no boss should have that many phases this early in the game

[magic pelican]

yo dawg

a 2:11 fight for cryo is peak

[young token]

I didnt kill him

[magic pelican]

oh

Sorry bout taht

T-T

[young token]

I cant his just too spammy with the circle of ice spikes

[pallid grove]

Warmth potion not saving you🤔

[young token]

nah

I think its patched or doesnt work in infernum

I think going after the mechs would be easier or even aquatic scourge

[magic pelican]

Okay wait @fading dove do you use QOL Comp

[fading dove]

i do not

[magic pelican]

Fuck

[fading dove]

my qol is really just quality of terraria and mutant mod

[magic pelican]

Im getting like 400 fruits from cutting down these trees and I don't want all this

lol

[gusty ferry]

the harvest is bountiful

[magic pelican]

The harvest needs to be a little less bountiful

[gusty ferry]

[magic pelican]

like no

pls

[frank mauve]

uhh yk the place at the start

basically dig a hole like that

and make it a base

[magic pelican]

You want me to live in the ground?

T-T

[frank mauve]

yes

gotta dig

[young token]

ok I give up my run wasnt even stealth rogue to begen with just rogue in general I wanna switch to normal rogue

[magic pelican]

For your sanity thats proibably a good idea

but

before you give up

what weapon are you using

@young token

[young token]

idk which one is better

[magic pelican]

Equanimity is what I used

however

you should go into the crimson

and get an Ichor Spear

and Palladium Javelins

[young token]

ok

[magic pelican]

Try them out

their stealth strikes are solid

@young token hows it goin

[viral chasm]

Hey is it just me or is polterghast on infernum super laggy?

Everything is moving so slow lmao

[magic pelican]

could just be you, ceaseless was laggy for me but never him

[young token]

Am gonna take a break for today and continue tomorrow

[magic pelican]

always good to have a clear head :_

:)

[young token]

Word

[near wedge]

here we go again

4th session of fighting DOG

this SHOULD be it

[gloomy apex]

Im so glad. I started the run on ranger and by god I finished the run on ranger

[magic pelican]

class?

[frank mauve]

prolly summoner

[near wedge]

summoner

[magic pelican]

Yeah thats just glhf truly

[magic pelican]

Im excited for my ranger run

[near wedge]

attempt 203

never beat the base game BTW

[frank mauve]

[magic pelican]

You've never beaten the base game?

I beat Revy and then straight to Inf

[near wedge]

I played the game and watched videos on it for like 6 years on and off

never got post plantera

[magic pelican]

Bro said fuck it

inf dog

no experience

W mans

[gloomy apex]

Im heartbroken

OBS wasnt running

a 70 hour run,

and the grand finale wasnt recorded

all i've got is the last two minutes

[magic pelican]

js do it again

I believe in you

did it once

[gloomy apex]

I mean, I do have all the attempts up to an hour before the win

I have probably 8 hours of footage lmao

Honestly, losing only an hour isnt too bad

and it really wasnt all that special I got knocked around in the early phases

[magic pelican]

As I said

fight her again

you got it

[gloomy apex]

I still got the Boss Rush I'll get the runback

[spiral jewel]

Is terragrim any good for early true melee infernum?

[magic pelican]

Like, Scourge

and uhhh, perfs

[spiral jewel]

Cause i shimered an extra enchanted sword and liked it

[magic pelican]

somewhat

it has an upgrade

[fading dove]

yeah its damn strong if you can get in range

[magic pelican]

yeah

[spiral jewel]

I guess its time to go full defense

[magic pelican]

its upgrade is a long ways away tho

[fading dove]

iirc the best preboss tmelee without tierskipping

with tierskipping yu get old lord and volcano

[magic pelican]

would've thought best preboss is rotted

[spiral jewel]

Well, theres no tierskiping in infernum cause they also ruined the reaver shark like calamity did

And not even qol restored fixes that

[fading dove]

they didnt ruin it

[magic pelican]

shimmer the red collecter

[fading dove]

they dont touch it

[magic pelican]

or not collector

uhhh

[spiral jewel]

The what?

[magic pelican]

red locator

[spiral jewel]

Ahhhhhh

For aerealite?

[fading dove]

its like hes in some king of... rox shimmer

[magic pelican]

No for hellstone

[spiral jewel]

Actually thats a good damn good idea

[magic pelican]

it gives you hellstone

[fading dove]

its a lot easier to find rox now thanks to it getting a full ass shrine

[magic pelican]

enough to make a pick

lol

[fading dove]

and it gives 25 hellstone bars

[spiral jewel]

How have i never tough of that

[magic pelican]

Because golden fishingrod cheese existed

[spiral jewel]

I never find the roxcalibur shrine

[fading dove]

its a full shrine with lights now

so it's quite a bit easier

[elder nebula]

yeah it's super obvious

[spiral jewel]

Its closer to hell?

[elder nebula]

no

[fading dove]

not just a single sword that doesnt even get lit up by spelunker anymore

[elder nebula]

it's anywhere in the lava layer

[spiral jewel]

Anything is super ovious till you gotta mine everywhere to find it

I literally mined past shimer 3 times my last vanilla playthrough

[near wedge]

infernum = insanity

[magic pelican]

yes

esp dog

you kill him yet?

[spiral jewel]

Took me 256 attempts with rogue

[magic pelican]

156 with melee for me

[spiral jewel]

Honestly rogue infernum basically made me quit rogue

[near wedge]

hell nahhh

i was at 0.8% yesterday

[magic pelican]

lock in gang

[near wedge]

and died

[magic pelican]

oh no

rip type shit

[near wedge]

i cortisol spiked

[magic pelican]

Bro got framemogged at the last second

[gloomy apex]

My next run is gonna be with WoTG, and the dragonball addon

I'm gonna get real stupid

[near wedge]

Im playing with stars above infernum and wotg

WOTG bugs infernum devourer of gods background btw

you gotta switch to base calamity background

[magic pelican]

FUCK

my arm got itchy so I went to scratch it

fresh ah tattoo reminded me why that was a bad idea

this is terrible

[gloomy apex]

My DoG fight was using the basic Cal one, wasn't it?

The one with the sky shattered and the wind blowing clouds, thats the new baseCal one right?

[magic pelican]

run that by me again

ohhh the BG

[gloomy apex]

Ye

Wonder if theres a version of Cha La Head Cha La that wouldn't get me slammed by Toei...
Would love to mimic the DBZA intro when editing the clips for the next run

[near wedge]

miss time dash by 0.1 seconds = dead get hit by the tiniest tail of DOG = dead finger gets stuck and cant double click for a second = dead everything = dead

[floral epoch]

huh

[magic pelican]

Dog dashing I assume

[near wedge]

Devourer of gods

[magic pelican]

@gloomy apex what weapon am I going for here

[near wedge]

Getting irrationally miserable over this game

[gloomy apex]

Whatever world evil you got, get the gun. Feels appropriate

[magic pelican]

good point

time to make instahouses

underground probably

k wait I have an idea for the underground thing

youll just have to let me cook

[gloomy apex]

I trust you

[rocky harbor]

a?

[gloomy apex]

a?

[magic pelican]

a?

[rocky harbor]

xd

[gloomy apex]

Youre probably gonna need the mermaid set to complete the look (unless we get 1.4.5 before your run ends), no idea what kind of pant item would work

[steel plover]

Infernum is probably the only terraria mod that accurately, swiftly, and violently reminds me of my chronic skill issue

[frank mauve]

whats ur loadout

[rocky harbor]

I'm hating so much throurium mod right now

[viral chasm]

Does anyoen know how to optimize infernum + wotg? I keep getting mogged by polterghast lmaoo

[oak iris]

guys
sorry for asking this as this is a sin to all of you guys that youre gonna see but
is it possible to beat astrum deus pre-golem?

post plantera btw

[gusty ferry]

yeah

worm boss be worm boss

[oak iris]

😭

[elder nebula]

it's possible to beat anything at any point

the question is if it's realistic

for astrum deus, you can beat it directly post wof without much struggle

[oak iris]

WHAT 😭

[elder nebula]

it's truly pathetic