calamity-addon-talk

[grizzled tapir]

I used hellkite on moonlord

[quiet jacinth]

whatchu got 4 mana stars for

[frank mauve]

nah that one aint mine

[grizzled tapir]

butchers chainsaw is so good

[frank mauve]

its mid now

[grizzled tapir]

i didnt have my brittle staff active thats why im losing the fight guys

[frank mauve]

or wulfrum controllers

[grizzled tapir]

nah bro I need my 8 defense

[frank mauve]

or 6 defense with 1 hp/sec

[final sphinx]

brother where is your health 🙏

who ate it

[grizzled tapir]

wait

it gives regen

this is big news

straight mistruths btw

[frank mauve]

thats what i usually do and it always works

[grizzled tapir]

ill fail miserably and send a clip

[frank mauve]

or have enough damage to skip that phase (by using gilded proboscis correctly)

[grizzled tapir]

(I cant aim)

[frank mauve]

doesnt require much aim when ur so close

[grizzled tapir]

wait are you talking about when he dashes

I nearly got into phase 3 fuck

deific + belt is doing beautiful things you are on the case

yeah time to learn 3rd

[autumn cairn]

I'm probably making this too easy for myself, I will need to download an enemy modifier mod later.

60 damage from desert scourge is in fact TOO easy 😭

Then again I am using a leveling mod but like, I like levels

[quiet jacinth]

i like that bar but i hate the placement

[grizzled tapir]

limit broken + 7

[autumn cairn]

True

[autumn cairn]

Limit broken plasma staff

lmaoo

[grizzled tapir]

idk wtf that is but im guessing you brought the too easy on yourself

[wise cairn]

yall remember that week-long period after bountiful harvest released when infernum desert scourge used its previous sprite instead of the current one

[autumn cairn]

Nvm I change my mind, it was only desert scourge that was easy

It's a literal bullet hell

I forgot eternity death just does that

[autumn cairn]

Also nvm because I always found desert scourge easy

when I fought giant clam I was getting cooked

[grizzled tapir]

how do you even dodge the guardians ramming each other without asgard

[autumn cairn]

Oh my goodness gracious

What did they feed this clam dawg?

[mortal cradle]

i used the quest reseter in wrath of the gods and there is no door in the mysterious keep. am i cooked?

[grizzled tapir]

are you taking the piss cunt

[magic pelican]

gang

why are we missing a heart

[grizzled tapir]

crimson effigy

[magic pelican]

ph

oh

[frank mauve]

missing every health upgrade since 89'

[magic pelican]

I cba to learn the new names tbf

[grizzled tapir]

am I missing one

[frank mauve]

so for this attack

id recommend just charging gilded then hitting the guards when it goes down

then hitting right click after

[grizzled tapir]

mm true

honestly I only realised just before that im supposed to be killing the one that isnt dashing at me

[frank mauve]

yeah each phase its a diff one that's vulnerable

[grizzled tapir]

yeah I thought the big dashy man was the one to hit

and my spear wasnt doing anything so I swapped to stellar

[autumn cairn]

Two desert scourges? Actually yeah this is my fault for downloading fables and calamity together

[grizzled tapir]

but it all makes sense now

is 3rd phase harder than 2nd

[magic pelican]

I checked btw, you're good, tainted cloudberry is after provi

[frank mauve]

uhh its alright

[magic pelican]

Felt harder to me

[mortal cradle]

anything i can do?

[grizzled tapir]

it really just depends on whether the high damage attacks are dodgeable

[jagged minnow]

Hi, this has probably been asked before but I don't see anything in pins for it, which game version on steam do I have to run tmod to be able to play infernum?

[grizzled tapir]

latest works

[autumn cairn]

I am still so mad munchies calamity is not up to date

Blehh I have to use the freakin wiki

[smoky dock]

The latest ones all work

[magic pelican]

Provi down

[smoky dock]

get used to da wiki because you can’t rely on any of these addons to work properly

[magic pelican]

[jagged minnow]

yeah it's working for me now for some reason it was saying before that I needed an older version

[quiet jacinth]

@frank mauve whats the best summon for dog

imma try omega blue out for the hell of it and since it gives slots im wondering what to use

[smoky dock]

omega blue is not functional as a summoner set

[grizzled tapir]

the fireball attack is still cooking me

[smoky dock]

Stardust armor offers the strongest offensive stats for summon-centric strats

[quiet jacinth]

im mage

[smoky dock]

Ah

Okay yeah Omega Blue then

Virid Vanguards got reworked and are like, hell yeah rn

[quiet jacinth]

im gonna blast him with dark spark

i tried them out on a dummy and they werent doing insane numbers but then again thats also a dummy that isnt coiling

[smoky dock]

Alternatives are like, Calimari’s Lament and Stellar Torii but they have major downsides

[quiet jacinth]

the dragons from king of constelllations look good

but im also not sure

[smoky dock]

Yeah Tenryū is a good choice if you wanna throw them in

[pallid grove]

Stellar torus = lag machine

[smoky dock]

I like them because yaaaay dragons! :D

[pallid grove]

We love dragons

🐉

[smoky dock]

omg critical thinking skills???? Unheard of here

It’s always a good idea to experiment and see what works

[quiet jacinth]

😂

[pallid grove]

Very true

[magic pelican]

Lihzahrd, collider or probe

[pallid grove]

What works best for one person and another may be totally different

[quiet jacinth]

okay lunar portal, stellar, virid, or tenryu

@smoky dock

pick for me king

[pallid grove]

I mean lunar portal is a sentry so you can just use it as a bonus

[quiet jacinth]

you are so right

good looks

[magic pelican]

Elysian aegis or belt

or both

idk

[elder nebula]

don't use both

[frank mauve]

why not volterion

🥹🥹🥹

[smoky dock]

uhhh

[quiet jacinth]

i will do it just for u lowd

[smoky dock]

what’s rhe contezt? which collider? which probe?

[magic pelican]

in ur opinion

holy, gilded

[smoky dock]

Tenryu with a Stellar Torus

[pallid grove]

Can't really speak for virid vanguard since I sucked at using it but stellar torus summons can despawn if you are moving about alot since they move a bit slow

[smoky dock]

Lunar Portals are sentries so you can just use it anyways

[grizzled tapir]

@frank mauve wtf is phase 3 bro

he just doing things

[smoky dock]

Gilded Proboscis

[magic pelican]

why so

[grizzled tapir]

gilded best weapon

[smoky dock]

It’s like picking between a juicy tomahawk steak and a massive steamed lobster tbh

Both are peak

Just a matter of preference

[quiet jacinth]

i dont like collider

it feels a little weak

[smoky dock]

Have you been using the primary fire or altfire

[quiet jacinth]

ive used both

[smoky dock]

I think the primary fire gets more overall damage output but the altfire enjoys requiring less consistent damage uptime

[quiet jacinth]

and a combo as well

i just enjoy gilded more

[smoky dock]

yeah me too

<- used neither since update

[quiet jacinth]

😂

i used gilded last week for a bit

it was pretty fun

naming my future kid this

[frank mauve]

its so goated

legit 30k dps

[night fractal]

good thing alt fire is dying

[smoky dock]

aww lame

[frank mauve]

of holy collider?

[smoky dock]

i liked baseball

[night fractal]

primary fire does baseball..?

[frank mauve]

holy collider dying might be great

[smoky dock]

oh did i mix it up

well uhhh

olay good i like baseball

[night fractal]

Primary is the charge attack

[frank mauve]

yesh charge gilded

then win

[woven rune]

unlucky

[night fractal]

the alt fire sucked

[woven rune]

it definitely does not suck 😭

its actually insane

[frank mauve]

holy collider spam is only the worth one

[night fractal]

It was just a watered down less interesting version of the main fire

[woven rune]

that is infinitely easier to use and dramatically stronger yes

[night fractal]

all it served to do was take away from holy collider's intended playstyle

[grizzled tapir]

i got him to 60k health

[frank mauve]

the charged fire is worse than gilded😭

[night fractal]

It's not dramatically stronger

[woven rune]

^

[smoky dock]

piss idiot baby attack with NO aura and NO vibe and NO power

[grizzled tapir]

I hate the ball he sends that shoots the really fast rotating beams

[night fractal]

if you don't baseball it yeah

[woven rune]

genuinely hits for like at least double the DPS from my testing and again, its infinitely easier to use

[smoky dock]

true melee should be MEATY and SEXY and JUICY and OUGH

[woven rune]

right click is broken as hell

[smoky dock]

👎

did you do any killtime testing

[night fractal]

Well they get about the same time in testing so

https://doze-zoze.github.io/CalamityTierlist/TestDetails/Holy Collider

[woven rune]

If they're similar enough solo usage then why even remove it

[smoky dock]

because it’s dumb and lame (idk)

[woven rune]

I get removing it cause its broken but if its not that then why

[night fractal]

because the right click is bad for the weapon's design

[smoky dock]

there deserves to be a basic, simple, level one true melee option for every stage

[night fractal]

It serves the purpose of watering down the main fire to be easy to use

Which is actually the job of just picking a different weapon

[grizzled tapir]

@frank mauve the geyser hitbox is bullshit

[smoky dock]

if that doesn’t exist for post-providence then I don’t support the removal

[night fractal]

The Mutilator

[smoky dock]

But I’d rather that niche fit in a different weapob

[woven rune]

I mean there's Grand Dad but that one is uh

[quiet jacinth]

this POS worm is thrashing me

[woven rune]

Interesting

[smoky dock]

Yeah Mutilator

[night fractal]

Grand Dad is a little later

[woven rune]

that too I guess

[night fractal]

But The Mutilator is directly post provi

[smoky dock]

Grand Dad is so funny I love her

[night fractal]

you also can just still use stellar striker

[woven rune]

true

Stellar Striker is great

[night fractal]

Post provi is the most nothing power jump of all time

[smoky dock]

hide of astrum deus?

[woven rune]

RIP

[smoky dock]

NOOO

[night fractal]

Weapons made to have niches should not be designed to just ignore their niche

[smoky dock]

pls buff hoad

[night fractal]

That's bad overcentralizing design

[smoky dock]

True!!

[night fractal]

basher is also being changed bc of this

[woven rune]

whats its change gonna be

[night fractal]

the current primary on basher is also just watered down alt fire

[smoky dock]

yep

[night fractal]

if the weapon does not have a good purpose behind having an alt fire in general it just

shouldn't have one

[magic pelican]

Is tarragon still broken

[quiet jacinth]

tarragon my beloved

[night fractal]

alt fires should compliment the design, not take away from it or be two weapons crammed into one

[quiet jacinth]

its so awesome

[elder nebula]

broken how

[woven rune]

makes you stupid thick tanky fat obese unkillable maybe idk

[night fractal]

for example, Gilded Proboscis primary and alt fires work together and compliment each other's weaknesses to make an interesting playstyle

primary you charge out of range, but alt fire has higher DPS and can cancel the endlag of alt fire into it

[quiet jacinth]

@frank mauve even with bf armor im still getting slapped

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1160083570921054318/1218413101154570290/togif.gif

[frank mauve]

probably uhh

[quiet jacinth]

gonna tweak

[frank mauve]

i tanked dog with omega blue

so use that

[smoky dock]

omg animation cancelling????

in my calamiry,??

[quiet jacinth]

did u use volterion

[frank mauve]

didnt i sent my horrivle gameplay with volterion

[quiet jacinth]

i dont remmeber i have the brain power of a crack addicted 2 yearold

[frank mauve]

it does like 30k dps

[woven rune]

ig thats fair idk

[magic pelican]

Well lots of things were changed, over the update so i didn't know if the set bonus changed or not lol

[frank mauve]

ok nvm on the clip it was 45k+

[woven rune]

I think that having more options with a weapon isnt a bad thing personally

[quiet jacinth]

send the clip again

i want ur accessories

[elder nebula]

it's untouched afaik

[magic pelican]

^

[woven rune]

Makes weapons more accessible and fun to use for more people and different playstyles

[frank mauve]

omega blue
reaper necklace
arcane flower
absorber
tarragon wings
elysian aegis
deific amulet
and uhh

i had old duke scales for the funny aswell

[woven rune]

what is evevn happening there

how are u iframe cheesing like that

[night fractal]

It is when it overtakes the actual design of the weapon itself / the niche of other weapons

[quiet jacinth]

is there a sub for duke scales

[frank mauve]

someone not knowing how to ram dash

[quiet jacinth]

i dont wanna fight him

i hate old duke

[night fractal]

And Holy Collider alt fire did both of those

[frank mauve]

fucking noob lmao

[grizzled tapir]

fuck this game

i hate the ball;

fuck the ball

[frank mauve]

yeah flesh totem or an offensive accessory

[grizzled tapir]

holy shit

[quiet jacinth]

kk thanks

[night fractal]

This is what happens when defense dmg dies

[woven rune]

didnt even notice that he wasnt dealing any defense damage

huh

[night fractal]

his body segments lost def dmg in 2.1.0

huge mistake

[frank mauve]

no

big W change

[night fractal]

it's being reverted in 2.1.3

[woven rune]

so you can just stand inside of him now? 😭

[frank mauve]

fun

[woven rune]

thats awesome

[frank mauve]

yeah basically

[night fractal]

and fixing some other attacks missing defense damage

[frank mauve]

its lowk safer

[night fractal]

Because empress also did defense dmg only on Sun dance and was entirely facetankable

[woven rune]

im guessing the iframes from the body damaging you protects you from the head?

[night fractal]

So was cultist

[frank mauve]

than just doing dog normally

[night fractal]

Yea

[woven rune]

thats so silly 💀

[night fractal]

"they should remove defense damage" this is exactly why it exists

[quiet jacinth]

what r ur reforges

[frank mauve]

[frank mauve]

i was running armored

[woven rune]

is that better than Warding at that stage?

[night fractal]

Defense dmg is really funny to me because some people act like it's Satan but it literally doesn't effect you at all if you have a 1 second gap between being hit

[frank mauve]

i tried warding and it sucked

armored was doing much better

[woven rune]

whats armored again

3 defense and 1.5 dr?

[frank mauve]

i think 2 def

and the dr

[woven rune]

2 def 1.5 dr is better than 4 def and 1 dr?

[frank mauve]

for some reason yeah

i was surviving way less with warding😭

[woven rune]

defense damage is like the most nothing burger thing ever unless you're specifically trying to facetank

[quiet jacinth]

is there a reason to not use the panic necklace effect on deific

[night fractal]

yes

[frank mauve]

i never use it tbh

[night fractal]

If you don't want your speed to randomly change when hit

[woven rune]

legitimately does not affect you unless you're getting absolutely rocked or just braindead tanking

[woven rune]

^

[magic pelican]

So like, what all alternate firing weapons do you think will be getting reworked

[night fractal]

idk

I know those two for sure

But I'm still going to look through more

[magic pelican]

Oathblade?

[night fractal]

no

Oathblade line all has a purpose to its alt fire

why would its alt fire be removed

[grizzled tapir]

wait so 16 defense for 4% dr

[woven rune]

Oathblade line would be so dogshit without alt fire 😭 ✌️

[autumn cairn]

Ah I forgot how much a mind freak eternity death brain was

[woven rune]

already incredibly underwhelming for every stage but the first and last even with alt fire

[woven rune]

holy debuffs

[frank mauve]

thats not 1.9k hp right

[autumn cairn]

Ignore me cheating

[grizzled tapir]

they have to hit for 400 damage for the DR to be better, assuming the imaginary zero DR you have currently

[autumn cairn]

shhh

[magic pelican]

agreed

[autumn cairn]

I never cheated

[woven rune]

idek what the hell is happening there

[frank mauve]

u can use warding for guards ig

[night fractal]

400 dmg after defense

[autumn cairn]

Brain just hurts my eyes so that's why I cheated a little

like please make it stop

[night fractal]

But actually

It's 200

[grizzled tapir]

yes

[night fractal]

4% of 200 is 8

[grizzled tapir]

why is it 200

[night fractal]

Wait no

300

16 defense on expert is 75% effective

[autumn cairn]

Level mod moment

[frank mauve]

[grizzled tapir]

wb master

[autumn cairn]

Don't worry I will super buff the bosses

[night fractal]

Then 100% yeah

Master it's 400

[quiet jacinth]

@frank mauve ts better cook or you gotta start sleeping 1 one eye open

[night fractal]

Classic 200

Expert 300

[autumn cairn]

I like more prolonged fights so that's why I like having alot of health and my enemies having alot of health

[grizzled tapir]

warding is probs better ngl

[frank mauve]

yeah thats what i used basically

[woven rune]

trying to tank with omega blue is so funny to me

that shit should not work at all

[quiet jacinth]

lowd will either live to see tomorrow or live to see tomorrow and have me hate him

we'll find out within a few hours

[frank mauve]

i think i had more defense probably

[south shore]

what the hell am I looking at

[woven rune]

increasing enemy health makes sense but if your own hp is too high are you really even playing anymore

[quiet jacinth]

im trusting the process

[woven rune]

hes gonna try to facetank infernum DoG 👍

[night fractal]

Did you see the

[south shore]

no not the loadout

[woven rune]

oh the 4k hp shit or whatever

yeahh

[autumn cairn]

I can just increase enemy damage if it gets to that point

[south shore]

the weapon what is aethers whisper doing here did it get shadowbuffed or something

[quiet jacinth]

volterion

[woven rune]

lowd why tf arent you teaching this guy to just coil him bruh 😭

[south shore]

ah

[frank mauve]

im sure he knows 🤔

[grizzled tapir]

@frank mauve squeeze something out of this please I have got him to 50k like 5 times

[quiet jacinth]

i know how to

lol

i just get strings of bad luck

very frequently

[woven rune]

hm

like he breaks out of the coil?

[quiet jacinth]

yeah

[woven rune]

fight him normally for a little longer then

[frank mauve]

uhhh idk honestly

[woven rune]

or use a mount to microadjust

[quiet jacinth]

worse comes to worst i go back to full lucky + bf/prismatic and just obliterate him with dark spark

[frank mauve]

maybe astral armo

r

since its pretty good with gilded

[woven rune]

true

[autumn cairn]

Also this plasma staff is funny

[frank mauve]

i bet dark spark mid!!!!!

[quiet jacinth]

its damage actually was pretty good

but ONLY when coiled

[autumn cairn]

My exo electric disintergrator:

[woven rune]

he only breaks out of the coil when its been too long since he's hit you or something idk

[frank mauve]

no

[woven rune]

its like how if you run away from him for too long he'll dramatically speed up to try and catch you

[frank mauve]

he breaks out if u cant stay still perfectly

[woven rune]

you can stay still perfectly and thats exactly how he will break out

sometimes you can avoid it by microadjusting

you can try it with a stationary flying mount and I promise he will eventually break out if its p2

[grizzled tapir]

really?

[frank mauve]

ive coiled with witch broom and it was a perfect circle everytime

[grizzled tapir]

why is it good with gilded

[woven rune]

he will do that for a while yeah but you're telling me he never speeds up and breaks the coil?

[frank mauve]

astral has better damage and crit but no melee speed

and gilded doesnt really care about melee speed

[woven rune]

if you fight him normally for a bit then coil he usually behaves but if you instantly coil he will spin around you for a bit, then speed up, then break the coil even if you're on a mount

[quiet jacinth]

gilded is charge and blast

[woven rune]

unless you phase change him before that which is entirely doable ig

[frank mauve]

only time ive seen him do that is if i run away too much

and the last time that happened i was spamming myrindael throughout the whole world

[woven rune]

do you normally coil him frame 1 or do you kinda set it up by fighting normally for a bit

[grizzled tapir]

its like at best 10% more damage

but way less survivability

[woven rune]

Solar > Astral imo

[frank mauve]

i usually coil him with 1 dash

no need to fight for a bit

[woven rune]

If you're gonna make the damage/survivability tradeoff then go Beetle Scale

[grizzled tapir]

solar is way better

[frank mauve]

im lowk a solar hater

[grizzled tapir]

mm is that even better

[frank mauve]

ive never used solar for melee speedkills

so far ive only used astral and tarragon

[woven rune]

Beetle has less crit but a considerable advantage in melee speed and damage

[grizzled tapir]

its not a speed kill its a make it to the end of the fight kill

[woven rune]

Solar is better overall though cause you're far tankier

[frank mauve]

tarragon cuz i needed to survive against polter

[grizzled tapir]

melee speed is worthless on gilded

[woven rune]

oh ur using gilded word

[frank mauve]

its not that worthless

[woven rune]

then just stick with Solar lmao

[frank mauve]

but yeah it doesnt need much melee speed

[grizzled tapir]

doesnt it do literally nothjing

[frank mauve]

i guess doze could confirm if melee speed matters with gilded

[woven rune]

probably a melee damage no speed weapon idk

[grizzled tapir]

its listed as a (no speed) weapon

[frank mauve]

oh so it doesn't matter at all

great astral armor the goat

[woven rune]

its really good

[grizzled tapir]

its not the gaot

[woven rune]

good damage, good defense, good dr, and life regen

[grizzled tapir]

its like 5% better

but you lose out on heaps of DR

[frank mauve]

but solar armor not getting an inf guards speedkill

and the dash override pmo

[woven rune]

dash override is the only negative

[frank mauve]

i dont need no ram 🙅‍♀️

[woven rune]

otherwise Solar mogs Astral like 99% of the time 👍

[frank mauve]

give me that statis ninja belt dash

[woven rune]

ram supremacy

[frank mauve]

nah cuz how a postml melee set losing to a silly all class preml armor

[grizzled tapir]

for true melee ram clears lowkey

[frank mauve]

and it shoots stars

[woven rune]

deadass isnt 😭 ✌️

[frank mauve]

astral before 2.1 would be 1000x better

[grizzled tapir]

the stars are buns

[woven rune]

Astral armor stars got nerfed too?

I thought it was just Hide that got absolutely annihilated

[frank mauve]

no not stars the overall stats

[woven rune]

oh rip

[grizzled tapir]

if they didnt gut my hide id be so fine here

they lowered all the bosses health in calamity right

[frank mauve]

hoad is useless who cares anymore

[grizzled tapir]

so infernum is comparatively harder now right

[cloud canopy]

is it true that hard(or whatever gives +5 def) reforge is the best early game (pre hm)

[frank mauve]

yes

[frank mauve]

nop

inf was updated to match

[grizzled tapir]

ah ok

[woven rune]

yeah hard early game and invigorating(?) late game

invigorating seems busted but i havent messed with it too much

[cloud canopy]

invigorating + pink candle + chalice is busted as hell

[woven rune]

but invigorating + regen candle + moonshine + endgame regen accessories should be busted if you dont get hit much

[woven rune]

figured yeah

[grizzled tapir]

I need something more out of this build because im getting skill issued and I need help

[cloud canopy]

used it to facetank alot of scal desperation phase

[grizzled tapir]

is there any other good sources of regen

[cloud canopy]

made it alot easier than i think inyended

[woven rune]

ampoule and pink candle

and just Solar Armor itself lol

[cloud canopy]

oh yeah and radiance + rampart

makes scal not too bad

[grizzled tapir]

pre providence

[wild pike]

Is wooden armor good against nameless deity

[woven rune]

sure why not

[grizzled tapir]

surely pink candle doesnt outweigh the defense candle

[wild pike]

Sweet, thanks.

[woven rune]

0.4% of your max hp per second vs defense being 10% more effective

[frank mauve]

try to get 10 slots somehow and itll be good

[wild pike]

👍

[woven rune]

I think the regen candle is more impactful usually but idk

[cloud canopy]

yeah imo pink candle just better at most stages

[grizzled tapir]

works out to be 2hp/s

[cloud canopy]

unless expert and ur mad def stacking with bss

[woven rune]

multiply that by your average fight time and make a judgement on if you think thats worth more than defense being 10% more effective

cause defense candle isn't 10% extra defense

[grizzled tapir]

its a matter of how many times I get hit

[woven rune]

like 200 defense doesnt go to 220

[cloud canopy]

chalice is post dog yeah? i think invigorating just better at that stage

[frank mauve]

yup

for me defensive reforges would be like

[grizzled tapir]

isnt that effectively what it is

[frank mauve]

hard/warding/armored/invigorating

[woven rune]

no

[cloud canopy]

i think dauntless can also be okay

[woven rune]

defense blocks for 75% of damage in expert right?

[cloud canopy]

since u can get up to like 3.5/hps

[frank mauve]

master is 110% i think

[grizzled tapir]

yeah so master it goes to 110

which is a 10% boost to your defense

[cloud canopy]

this like a combination or what

[woven rune]

ur on master?

[frank mauve]

theyre stages

[woven rune]

huh

[cloud canopy]

ahh

[grizzled tapir]

infernum master patch

[frank mauve]

hard - prehm
warding - hm
postml - armored
post dog - invigorating

[woven rune]

didnt even know that was updated word

[cloud canopy]

yeah yharon/dog def want the DR%

[grizzled tapir]

it was updated within days

[frank mauve]

why did i lowk swap them out

[woven rune]

sounds about right

[grizzled tapir]

theyre quick with it

[woven rune]

post DoG regen gets ridiculous cause Chalice is broken as shit

[grizzled tapir]

I get 13 defense from candle

[frank mauve]

for some reason armored works better than warding on stuff like polter or dog

but then im still running lucky ✌️

[grizzled tapir]

and 2hp/s with pink candle

[woven rune]

Invigorating might be better earlier than that though cause regen is better with more hp right

and you can get a ton of hp with shit like moonshine

[woven rune]

deadass 😭

[grizzled tapir]

so I need to get hit less than once every 6 seconds for pink to be better

[woven rune]

rash is lowk solid though

[frank mauve]

i fw jagged recently

with purity and all

[woven rune]

2% crit and 2% melee speed is tuff

[frank mauve]

angry is so nice

[cloud canopy]

the armor pen one aint bad on some weps too

[woven rune]

god how i wish purity wasn't consistently dogshit with melee 💔

[grizzled tapir]

i love the armor pen

[frank mauve]

imagine u at 98% and u got 1 free slot left

[woven rune]

makes like 3 weapons better and nerfs everything else

[frank mauve]

slap angry and thats a free 2% crit 2% dmg

[woven rune]

or just straight up breaks the weapon (orderbringer)

[frank mauve]

there HAS to be more good purity melee weapons

[woven rune]

what do you use with melee that gets buffed by it aside from Ataraxia and (I think??) Nadir bruh

[dense parcel]

Does the vernal pass not generate in an infernum world cause there’s some big place with pink trees under my temple instead

[woven rune]

crits are just too damn strong with melee idk

[frank mauve]

ima try every post provi option

[cloud canopy]

both generated in mine but its possible it couldve overridden it

[frank mauve]

😭😭

[woven rune]

vernal pass should still be there

[woven rune]

oh they're all horseshit with purity

like significantly worse unless im missing something big

[frank mauve]

damn

[woven rune]

actually i dont think ive tried holy collider alt fire with it maybe(????) its better

[grizzled tapir]

is community > bloody worm scarf ?

[woven rune]

its definitely not but try tbhat

whats bloody scarf again like 10% damage, 10% dr, and 3 defense?

[grizzled tapir]

ye

[frank mauve]

what if

[woven rune]

super late game community is better but idk how strong it is pre provi

[frank mauve]

worm scarf -> sealocket

[grizzled tapir]

its at 70% power

[woven rune]

this or like

isnt celestial shell good

[grizzled tapir]

what is this item

[frank mauve]

oh right that

[woven rune]

well ig ur fighting provi so probably dont want the night time fights

[frank mauve]

forget celestial shell exist

[woven rune]

i think its still good though

damage crit life regen and defense or something idk

[frank mauve]

i dont even like it that much except in vanilla

[grizzled tapir]

I took off shell its outclassed lowkey

[frank mauve]

bereft vassal drop

the post cultist sand shark guy

[woven rune]

yeah cal removes the melee speed from it

[grizzled tapir]

lol I skipped him

[woven rune]

def should kill him

[frank mauve]

u mightve saved ur progression

[woven rune]

Myrindael is awesome

[frank mauve]

imagine u go fight him and it resets

[woven rune]

that got fixed a while ago pretty sure

at least the last couple times ive killed him its been fine

[grizzled tapir]

weapon?

[woven rune]

yes but no

you use it for the movement

[frank mauve]

myrindael can also outrun dog

[woven rune]

because its an omnidirectional dash with like zero cooldown

its so good

[grizzled tapir]

oh we getting nerdy

[woven rune]

shit does not leave my hotbar once i get it

[grizzled tapir]

im so bad with weapon swapping

[frank mauve]

well he'll catch up in like 30 sec but whatever

[woven rune]

doesnt even matter the class

[grizzled tapir]

how do I force a sandstorm

[woven rune]

deadass just use it whenever you need to quickly reposition

arid artifact(?)

or fargos mutant npc sells something that starts one

[grizzled tapir]

which flask is best

[frank mauve]

crumbling usually

[woven rune]

yeah crumbling typically

maybe brimstone flames for plantera but generally just run crumbling

[grizzled tapir]

for guardian

[frank mauve]

venom for yharon

[woven rune]

crumbling yeah

crumbling + eye of magnus!! 👍

[grizzled tapir]

how do I get operator to sell me frobidden frags

[woven rune]

kill sand elemental once

[grizzled tapir]

fuck

[woven rune]

i think

if you have fargos talk to abomination and he sells something that summons a sandstorm

[grizzled tapir]

i have it active but I dont have houses for them lol

[woven rune]

instahouse!!

nah dont go to the dark side

[silent python]

genuinely what are you supposed to do against mars

[grizzled tapir]

dont have that mod

[woven rune]

unless you already have

oh

i forget what mod even adds it

[grizzled tapir]

i dont remember the name I saw it before in the mod brwoser

[woven rune]

are you sure its not fargos??

[grizzled tapir]

maybe

theres probs multiple

[frank mauve]

fargos does have instahouse

[woven rune]

word

put them somewhere you dont care about ig

[grizzled tapir]

na i got it

sealocket sounds kinda busted ngl

[frank mauve]

its 90 sec though

[grizzled tapir]

2 charges

its effectively a layered dodge with some damage boosting

also do the charges cooldown independantly

[woven rune]

meh

doesnt proc for every hit and the cooldown is genuinely nuts

nice for some bosses like DoG though and I guess its better since amalg brain got gutted

[grizzled tapir]

wym

[woven rune]

only protects you from big hits so it isnt super useful for adrenaline like other dodges are

[frank mauve]

its 20 sec its fine

[woven rune]

and once its used up you gotta wait 90 seconds

[grizzled tapir]

yeah

[woven rune]

longer cooldown and losing the damage buff is kinda crazy man

[frank mauve]

thats why we on statis ninja belt

[woven rune]

fuh no

gimme my broken ram dash

might try the void sash though cause the visuals look super nice

[frank mauve]

ram dashes only useful for 3 bosses

[grizzled tapir]

most bosses have at least 1 contact attack

[woven rune]

useful for every boss when you permadive true melee braindead bumrush everything 👍

[maiden cobalt]

i have absolutely no clue why my frames are being dropped

but when im in one of my worlds, i get lke 1fps

and i just tried joining again and it crashed

where do i send the informative file

[grizzled tapir]

do you have the shader mods on

[maiden cobalt]

i have no shaders

im playing IEoR

[frank mauve]

lowk for tmelee i stopped caring about ramdashing after those iframes nerf

i lowk just eat the hits anyway ✌️

[woven rune]

fair

Ill start experimenting more with the ninja belts for variety ig

[woven rune]

Didnt Infernum kind of undo that anyway though

[grizzled tapir]

bereft vassal fight is kinda cool

[woven rune]

It still has its own ram dash changes to keep up with DoG and all that

[gritty galleon]

i hate bereft vassal

[frank mauve]

im sure inf only affects ram CD

i used to be abuse those iframes so bad ngl

[woven rune]

oh word

ig im just basing it off of DoG not being any harder even though I supposedly have less iframes

[frank mauve]

yharon with cinnamon roll is fun

[grizzled tapir]

tbf im using post ml gear

[frank mauve]

dash timing be tight as hell

[maiden cobalt]

alternatively, how do i tell whats using a lot of my computer

bc its defo a mod

[woven rune]

cinnamon roll hater here!!

what we thinking about everclear guys

25% damage worth crippling your defense and regen?

[frank mauve]

i thought it would be needed after the cd nerf😭

i lowk havent ran it since

[woven rune]

rs

[frank mauve]

even for speedkills its barely decent tbh

[woven rune]

me when I turn every good ram into deep diver 😭 ✌️

[frank mauve]

😭😭

[woven rune]

but its funny!

[woven rune]

crazy how this is actually true though

my average DoG killtime is like maybe 2 seconds faster with everclear

[frank mauve]

for dog u can use it

[woven rune]

only one im comfortable with doing it

[frank mauve]

but if theres some speedkills where u have to take dmg its so bad

[woven rune]

yep

[frank mauve]

dog uhh

[woven rune]

its like 30% defense right?

and -5 hp/sec or smth

[frank mauve]

i might try to go for 0:40 dog

yeah something like that

[woven rune]

thats so bad 😭

idk if its a hot take but i miss the old alcohols man

[frank mauve]

i think ive used it for scal speedkill

[woven rune]

solid 90% of the new ones go entirely unused by me idk

[frank mauve]

alcohols exisiting is also funny like why are they there

[woven rune]

rs LOL

[frank mauve]

fabsol just an alcoholic bruh

[woven rune]

ale nerf is unforgiveable though

melee size in exchange for melee speed WHO is using that bro

[maiden cobalt]

are any of these mods notable for being lagfests

[frank mauve]

yoo do u want ur weapon bigger in exchange for turtle speed!!!

[woven rune]

15% melee size does like jack shit btw 😭

[frank mauve]

oh good luck ur on own gang

[maiden cobalt]

fuuuuuuck

[woven rune]

son 😭 ✌️

[maiden cobalt]

insert starwars text crawl

[woven rune]

fr

[frank mauve]

shi barely useful for cryogen

[woven rune]

nah like actually the only alcohols i use are like

Margarita sometimes and maybe Fireball with certain builds

[frank mauve]

ive used uhh

[woven rune]

Star Beam Rye too when it was busted but idk

[frank mauve]

grape beer, old fashioned, moonshine and uh

[woven rune]

fuck and Grape Beer with Purity

everything else I miss the old one

[frank mauve]

oh evergreen gin

so goated

[grizzled tapir]

wait + size - speed

[woven rune]

whats that one again

sickness debuff?

[grizzled tapir]

big probiscus

[frank mauve]

sickness devuff

yup

i used for virid vanguard post dog

[woven rune]

melee size change doesnt work for all weapons so no clue

[woven rune]

speaking of post dog

[frank mauve]

it already got good range what more do u need

[woven rune]

actually nah nvm

[frank mauve]

what happened

[grizzled tapir]

more

[woven rune]

just my frustration with trying to debuffmaxx post DoG

[safe prairie]

empress of light is the biggest ragebait ever

[frank mauve]

just watch the routing
https://youtu.be/5k2rMoI0428?si=zhfsO4ssfskayIdM

[frank mauve]

wit amalgam?

[woven rune]

love the quotation marks

[woven rune]

oh wow holy braindead LOL

[frank mauve]

tbf amalgam nerfed a bit

[grizzled tapir]

what do you mean look at his routing he oneshots them all

[woven rune]

why are we not showing build 🤬

[frank mauve]

its in desc

[woven rune]

ah

[frank mauve]

i always put them there

oh i did use cinnamon roll here

funny

[grizzled tapir]

why is he on destroyer emblem

[frank mauve]

what else do u use

[grizzled tapir]

oh youre already eyeing it

[frank mauve]

im even void of exinctioning it

[grizzled tapir]

is void of extinction actually good

[woven rune]

thats actually so fucking crazy lol

[grizzled tapir]

for this

[woven rune]

probably cause gilded has the supercrit shit

[frank mauve]

uhh in an average build nah

[woven rune]

i forget exactly what it does but crits are really really good

cause it guarantees crit iirc

[frank mauve]

i personally wouldnt recommend void of extinction

[grizzled tapir]

yeah see your 40k hit kills him whereas my 40k hit gets him to 90% health

[frank mauve]

hmm master...

wait who said that

[woven rune]

no shot stat bloat is that bad

Im with him though my GP does NOT melt shit like that

[grizzled tapir]

ngl i dont do 40k

but thats still insane

[frank mauve]

why do u think i put "tmelee"

its because im using summons

[grizzled tapir]

oh we got a cheater over here

[frank mauve]

and those summons make me do like 2.2x dmg

[woven rune]

oh you popped rage too i didnt even see that

[woven rune]

explain pls

[grizzled tapir]

yeah I dont get to skip every phase unfort

[frank mauve]

well they're plague engines with hyperius, the way hyperius work is that they stack damage instead of dealing it, but if an other source of damage hits it, the overflow from the damage of hyperius will be 1.2x

so its effectively 1.2x your damage plus your own so 2.2x

[woven rune]

oh shit i forgot about those getting reworked

huh

so plague engines + hyperius bullets are wild

makes sense why you'd go astral over solar for the extra slots

[frank mauve]

40k plus 44k

[grizzled tapir]

thats insane

[woven rune]

jesus

were you also doing this shit for your polterghast kills?

[frank mauve]

mhm

[woven rune]

if you were comparing this to holy collider then i get it

[quiet jacinth]

yeah this guys gonna make me spaz

[frank mauve]

and the yharon kill

[woven rune]

i thought you were doing only GP

bruh

[frank mauve]

this why i love 2.1

its so fun

[woven rune]

so just always run plague engine and hyperius bullets?

with crazy shit like this

[frank mauve]

u can do it after u beat golem

that means

eol one shot, pbg one shot and duke one shot

[woven rune]

oh even black hawk remote

[frank mauve]

and cosmic viper aswell

[woven rune]

with what

[frank mauve]

if u wanna use it

[woven rune]

nidhogg?

[frank mauve]

yessir

[woven rune]

hell yeah

[frank mauve]

hellkite also but i doubt theres good accessories

cuz ranger gets fucking 300 accessories post golem

[woven rune]

so this has to be absolutely fucked with Devils Devastation right

[frank mauve]

surely

[woven rune]

kill mode big hit + hyperius hit

that sounds so fucked

[frank mauve]

hopefully the m1 projectiles dont fuck it up

[woven rune]

oh true

whats the cooldown on the hyperius hit anyway

[frank mauve]

its not really a cooldown

u just gotta let the hyperius shots buid up a bit

[woven rune]

ah

[frank mauve]

this why slow heavy hitters are good

[woven rune]

so would this work exactly the same with solar armor then?

[frank mauve]

like thread of eradication

[woven rune]

like even with the 3 minions

[woven rune]

jesus

[frank mauve]

one shot dealing 25% to yharon😭

[woven rune]

have you been doing this shit the whole time

[frank mauve]

yup

[woven rune]

no wonder your tests are fucked 😭 ✌️

[woven rune]

thats so hype

i need to try ts

[frank mauve]

oh damn i was wrong i only dealt 21% to yharon

[woven rune]

no wonder LOL

Hyperius Overflow was half of your damage output LMFAO

[frank mauve]

its genuinely so crazy

i was thinking about one shotting provi with it

[woven rune]

I had no idea that shit worked with other classes dude

I thought it was just ranger exclusive

[frank mauve]

i wonder if its getting any change

[woven rune]

support minions doubling your DPS is genuinely wicked

[woven rune]

surely

[frank mauve]

i know some devs know about it but like

even grape beer isnt dying that much

[woven rune]

grape beer is getting nerfed again?

[frank mauve]

i think its only gonna work close range

[woven rune]

damm

whats the point of homing if its only close range

just aim at that point no?

[frank mauve]

yeah but like

the funny interactions are staying i think

[grizzled tapir]

fuck the big ball

holy shit

[woven rune]

Do you use hyperius bullets for your DoG kills too?

[frank mauve]

nah

for dog i just use the storm so hyperius aint doing shit

[woven rune]

Fair

Dude i need to redo an entire run now wtf

Hellkite with those bullets sounds so fun

[fringe nebula]

@frank mauve i found a video from the first time i did infernum

[frank mauve]

this is after i recommended early adren/rage with hyperius to someone😭

[grizzled tapir]

HES DEAD

[fringe nebula]

rate my plantera set up

[grizzled tapir]

holy fuck

[woven rune]

What the hell 😭😭😭

[frank mauve]

bat wings carrying

[fringe nebula]

fr

that was 2 years ago

oct 2023

[frank mauve]

oh u in yardiscord that was there

shouldve just pinged there

[frank mauve]

when they had actual stats

totally balanced

[fringe nebula]

ah yeah forgot that was a thing 💔

ok but

terraspark boots...........

avenger emblem........

(tbf i used avenger for DoG)

[frank mauve]

oh lets not look at those

[fringe nebula]

lol

okkk

[frank mauve]

like even putric scent or abaddon been better

[fringe nebula]

lol

idk hwat the second one is

putrid is like

12 cc right

[frank mauve]

putrid is 5 5

dmg and crit

[fringe nebula]

o ic

tbf

[frank mauve]

abaddon is 8% crit with explosions and brimstone debuff

[fringe nebula]

i dont see why ranger emblem and avenger was that bad on dog

since purity and omega blue

healing items do nothing

oh wait i didnt have purity

hm

but i had the uhh

alcohol tjhingy

idk

[frank mauve]

tbf omega blue has 0 regen so

[fringe nebula]

yeah

thats why i got rid of all healing items

since u cant heal from anything

[frank mauve]

but like

at least omega blue can survive more now

[fringe nebula]

other than the tentacles

how did it used to be?

[grizzled tapir]

bro the cheat sheet menu is in the entire video of me killing it covering the health bar lol

[frank mauve]

well its because of defense changing

[fringe nebula]

ah

[frank mauve]

so u dont need as much defense as before

[fringe nebula]

o gotcha

[frank mauve]

no way the its that big

[grizzled tapir]

its just the toolbar

[frank mauve]

like this stuff is silly with omega blue

[grizzled tapir]

241 attempts

insane

[frank mauve]

i mean

most ppl struggle on guards

[fringe nebula]

daamage is a myth

is that like

something with iframes

[grizzled tapir]

please tell me its easier from here

[fringe nebula]

no....

provi is worse

imo

[frank mauve]

yes but its also dog segments not dealing defense damage anymore

[fringe nebula]

iirc

ahh

[frank mauve]

provi is fine

i killed her in like 1:20 with gilded

[grizzled tapir]

no way prov is worse

[fringe nebula]

i forget where i put things

[frank mauve]

(the average time should be 3:00)

[fringe nebula]

whata good time on profaned guardiaans

[frank mauve]

1min is very good

[woven rune]

I join whenever im waiting on yhe next upload lol

[fringe nebula]

oop

lmao

2 mins moment

[grizzled tapir]

do I just ego it straight to prov here

[woven rune]

Then I leave because id just be lurking idk

[frank mauve]

dang i dont even be watching yardis like that too ngl

[woven rune]

damn

hes the only terraria youtuber I actually watch tnh

[frank mauve]

last time i watched him was like 3-4 months ago

[woven rune]

tbh

[woven rune]

damn

[fringe nebula]

moonshine is worth it rtight

[woven rune]

If u dont get hit often yeah

[frank mauve]

ppl when they realize the true goat is bone reaper not yardis

[slender plank]

fuh yeah

[woven rune]

true

[slender plank]

i only had to kill the post plantera boss

to kill the pre plantera boss

[grizzled tapir]

warbanner on or nah @frank mauve

[woven rune]

have you noticed the "jsut" thing with bone reaper?

[frank mauve]

are u on ftw or something

[frank mauve]

probably idk

[woven rune]

don't think ive ever seen him type "just" lol

[frank mauve]

last time i didnt bother with it (i just forgot)

[grizzled tapir]

bro I had discount card on in the guardian fight

[fringe nebula]

how much harder is yharon phase 2

[grizzled tapir]

thats so funny

[fringe nebula]

than 1

[woven rune]

easier

[frank mauve]

oh yeah sometimes when i read them paragraphs it throws me off😭

[slender plank]

i have a blank world with nothing on it that i fight bosses on while waiting for my friends to get on

[fringe nebula]

o ok

[woven rune]

it has to be a quirk or autocorrect or something bro

i love it though idk its funny

[slender plank]

but yes

[fringe nebula]

60% on p2

nice

[jagged sigil]

Why solyn haven’t spawned only her campsite is in my world

[frank mauve]

get ready for the dash slop

[hybrid plank]

What yall opinion of entropy

[woven rune]

shoutout his document for summon mixing though

love not having to use my brain

[frank mauve]

same

fucking hate dealing with summons

[hybrid plank]

Personally I think it's a good mod minus some bad early game scaling

[woven rune]

seriously

[frank mauve]

like yeah lemme go pull up desmos to play summoner optimally

[woven rune]

I like playing summoner but I hate setting it up

[woven rune]

rs

bone reaper carries so hard for that

[hybrid plank]

I tried summoner gave up and went back to mele

[woven rune]

me with every class

if its not melee I dont like it 👍👍

[grizzled tapir]

I cant see shit in the providence fight

[frank mauve]

i like every class

[grizzled tapir]

theres so many lighting effects

[woven rune]

actually nah I fw mage

rogue and r*nger can kiss my ass though

[frank mauve]

i just like killing stuff fast

so give me the best stuff

[woven rune]

fair

and thats why we love true melee