calamity-addon-talk

[carmine ferry]

nah should i

[gloomy wedge]

Yes

[wicked creek]

Absolutely

[gloomy wedge]

Personally I think it’s almost as important as your ram

[wicked creek]

Without sealocket you just die

Well, you can have a dodge

But sealocket lets you survive two hits

Also BTW use omega blue armor

[carmine ferry]

oh wtf

[carmine ferry]

even on summoner?

[wicked creek]

Oh right not on summoner

[gloomy wedge]

Yeah dog is the one fight where menacing >>> warding

Because you just want him dead IMMEDIATELY

[fading dove]

ehhhh

warding is very valuable

[wicked creek]

Reducing damage from 900 to 700 is strong but

[fading dove]

ive got a recording of it saving me from a head hit

[wicked creek]

I'm still dead if I get hit by it

[gloomy wedge]

I think most of warding’s effects are kinda mitigated when you can just witch’s broom your way through the grids/webs

[fading dove]

https://youtu.be/3h3Q33HM05w?t=71

[carmine ferry]

get rid of what for sealocket

[gloomy wedge]

Personally if I get hit by the head without sealocket I just lose anyways

Because I need that HP for phase 3

[fading dove]

brain

[carmine ferry]

word ill see how it goes

[wicked creek]

Imo absorber

[autumn brook]

alr just attempting infernum on an alr maxed save is hell..

[wicked creek]

What boss are you trying

[fading dove]

sealocket and dodges don't play nice together

[autumn brook]

just messing around with random bosses waiting for sylon to spawn, rn i was trying exo mechs

[gloomy wedge]

Personally I’d just keep amalg and sealocket on vanity slots alternating

When sealocket’s down, swap in amalg

[fading dove]

wotg is impossible if not active on worldgen

[gloomy wedge]

When sealocket’s up, swap in sealocket

[carmine ferry]

is absorber even useful for dog? should i replace it with some damage item

[wicked creek]

Sealocket still reduces the damage the dodge takes which means lesser cooldown as far as I know?

And also dodges save adrenaline which means, you can more consistently get adrenaline

[gloomy wedge]

Yes

[wicked creek]

And adrenaline is VERY useful on DOG

[fading dove]

though you use a sealocket charge

[gloomy wedge]

You do still want some bulk for dog

[carmine ferry]

i am not good enough at the game to active swap accessories lmao

[gloomy wedge]

Thanks to the laser grids

[gloomy wedge]

Dw you get a lot of chances whenever he does lasers

[wicked creek]

Yeah, but the value is still there

Say you get hit by a laser, that dodge is gonna recharge around phase 3 start

[gloomy wedge]

You don’t have to do it mid dash

[wicked creek]

Well, if it's early enough in the fight I mean

And that's more useful than absorber IMO

In a fight like DOG I mean

[gloomy wedge]

I’d also recommend having blazing core in there

Super helpful for phase 3 transition imo

[autumn brook]

is there a reason Solyn isint spawning in for me?

[gloomy wedge]

Not a new world

[wicked creek]

Say, how long does the parry last?

[autumn brook]

oh

[gloomy wedge]

Depends on your iframes

It just acts like you got hit

So it really appreciates having deific

[wicked creek]

I mean, how long does the shell last

[gloomy wedge]

Like a third of a second ish?

[carmine ferry]

would it be crazy to replace absorber with phantomic artifact for the extra damage? assuming im not using both brain and sealocket at the same time

[wicked creek]

In that case, is it actually more useful than a dash? I'm wondering how it is

Because I'm having some trouble with the first dash after the fireball portals in phase 3

[gloomy wedge]

No

It has a 30s cooldown

You can parry while it’s on cooldown, but it won’t negate anything

[wicked creek]

I don't need to parry the fireball portals, just the initial predictive one after those

[fading dove]

the one where his body remains there

[vale heart]

Assuming it’s dog it would be worth

But there’s probably something better you could use then that

[grim swallow]

Hey guys
Is spectre healing reworked in cal/infernun

Or can I use adrenaline as ubercharge from tf2

[smoky dock]

lmao

technically yes

lifesteal as a mechanic is nerfed in Calamity

The maximum lifesteal variable and the rate at which it recovers is reduced across the board

[grizzled onyx]

lifesteal now has a cooldown mechanic based on the amount you heal

[grim swallow]

Ohh yeah

[grizzled onyx]

the more you heal, the longer it takes before you can heal again

[smoky dock]

In expert/death, and thus Infernum, it’s 60 and 0.06/frame

iirc

or maybe it’s 30 idk

[grizzled onyx]

thats probably a massive oversimplification, but thats what i remember

[smoky dock]

But the exact same system exists in base Terraria

[grim swallow]

Im asking because of how cool was spectre hood with my melee friend on gfb

[smoky dock]

It’s just that the maximum and recovery rate are so obscenely high that it’ll never really matter in vanilla

[grim swallow]

For the golem fight I was just sitting in the corner and using the water scepter

[smoky dock]

Sounds appropriate

[grim swallow]

My friend didnt die once there

We did the same for ml

[grizzled onyx]

and some things (like Toxic Heart) seem to ignore it, though

maybe because it heals a flat amount on hit?

[smoky dock]

Almost! Toxic Heart is direct healing

[grizzled onyx]

like a potion?

[smoky dock]

Direct healing effects are LEGALLY not lifesteal and thus are not affected by the lifesteal mechanic

[smoky dock]

Exactly like a potion, yeah

Potions are also direct healing

[grizzled onyx]

it does also allow you to pull off shenanigans

[smoky dock]

Yes

[grim swallow]

Are hearts direct healing

[grizzled onyx]

i think

[smoky dock]

yes

[grim swallow]

And are there any other direct healings

[grizzled onyx]

i think life regen counts

[smoky dock]

https://youtu.be/0UAY_duVm00

[smoky dock]

Yes

[grim swallow]

So because of that vampire knives spectre hood and other healing sources aren't as viable in cal

[smoky dock]

Rare Sand Elemental’s sand orbs, Profaned Soul Artifact’s Healing guardian, Bloodflare Core’s recovery effect, and more are all direct healing

[grizzled onyx]

they still heal
which is powerful
they just aint as OP as in vanilla

[smoky dock]

That’s right. Still incredibly good though

Read the Calamity wiki page for lifesteal to get a brief summary of how it works and the values appropriate for each difficulty

[carmine ferry]

im too tired to react to dogs second phase dashes 😭 ig its tomorrow i beat him

[grim swallow]

Yeah I healed both of us to almost max from half hp on moonlord

[grizzled onyx]

the first two heal i think 15 HP per, and BFlare Core has an interesting way of healing

[novel bolt]

do you just run normal calamity progression for the fargos dlc

[grim swallow]

I didnt took down hood for the whole fight

Cuz by the time I switch to dps mage either me or my friend get hit by mls bouncy boulders and I need to heal again

Its sad that there arent any upgrades to spectre armor in cal

Like healing one specifically

Even if it is nerfed healing my friend to max on yharon is funny

[smoky dock]

Infernum is expert/death

[grim swallow]

Yeah

[plucky egret]

There are some extra bosses, but half of them are not necessary to beat the game

[grim swallow]

Its not as good as vanilla leg difficulty healing

Cu thats vanilla

[smoky dock]

Right

[cedar laurel]

Yes

[fading dove]

theyre very rewarding though

also no

you don't use standard cal progression

cal has deerclops as a queen bee alt

while in souls, its post skeletron

[smoky dock]

it is???

[grim swallow]

Are there any useful items that arent accessories weapons or armors in fargos
Cuz I will allow those for me

Since im summoner so I can stop using whips for a moment to get some effects

[fading dove]

accursed ankh

[grim swallow]

Oh wait I forgot to grab it

I'll rekill coffin today

Does it remove all removablr debuffs

Or only pre hm or sun

[fading dove]

any debuff that ticks down at double speed when not attacking

which iirc is basically everything but revive cooldown, stasis cooldown, and gold shell cooldown

[plucky egret]

Didn't say they were useless, but I ended up in the situation in which we skipped pretty much every single one (besides the sibling trio, ofc)

[fading dove]

missed out on some of the best fights

[plucky egret]

Also.... uh, didn't know that, actually

[fading dove]

lifelight and coffin are genuinely top 10 tmod bosses

[plucky egret]

My last FDLC multiplayer session was so scuffed, I couldn't take it anymore

Especially by the end. I wasn't prepared to witness Exos with 85 million HP

[fading dove]

did you have like 12 players

[plucky egret]

At that point, only 2

Including myself

[fading dove]

there's no way the scaling could hit 7x from just 2 people

[plucky egret]

Maybe my friend changed something?

As a whole, bosses felt weirdly tanky and hit like a truck more often than not

[fading dove]

theyve got ~12m on eternity and 15m on maso so there was definitely something going on

[plucky egret]

Oh, I should have mentioned that those were Boss Rush Exos

[fading dove]

ah

[plucky egret]

Idr how much HP the normal ones had

[fading dove]

uhhhh

i can go check boss rush maso exos

[plucky egret]

If you want to (we were playing EDeath)

[fading dove]

alright yeah they have 89.25m hp in maso boss rush

[grim swallow]

Isnt deerclops also post skeletron in vanilla?

[fading dove]

not according to the wiki

[grim swallow]

Idk me and my friend do deer pre boss as summoners in vanilla

[limpid igloo]

deerclops is pre skeletron yeah

in vanilla anyways

[grim swallow]

Huh

Why would you need that much

[plucky egret]

That sounds a bit too much

[fading dove]

its 14/second

3 minutes of healing

[vale kelp]

how do i dodge crabulon

[grim swallow]

Difficulty

[vale kelp]

infernum

[grim swallow]

Stay close to the ground

[vale kelp]

the boss itself isnt hard

[grim swallow]

And close to hin

Move slowly

[vale kelp]

and what abt his mushroom walls that trap me in and force me to get dmged

i only need tips on that single attack

[grim swallow]

When he does walls try to be very close to the obe you were moving
(If you were going right you go to the wall to the right and stick close to it then slowly move to the side)

You can also try to jump up if you are close to the ground

Inf crabs p2 is harder than p3

Because he does the wall attack much more often in p2

[autumn brook]

what melee weapon is best for nameless diety?

[grim swallow]

Also can you get inferno potion for crab?

[vale kelp]

not a problem

[plucky egret]

Probably Red Sun

[vale kelp]

but what for

since im using the bladecrest

wouldnt the fire dmg not stack?

[autumn brook]

alr thx

[plucky egret]

They shouldn't

Both apply On Fire, which is not a stackable debuff

[vale kelp]

it doesnt rly matter bc i still just have trouble with the boss itself

not sure if its me or the arena

[wicked creek]

@dim aurora I WON WITH A TIE

DOG IS DEAD

WOOOOOOO

[vale kelp]

fire

i do NOT wanna fight infernum dog bro 😭

i know one part of it

and it makes my toes curl

[autumn brook]

I BEAT NAMELESS DIETY, LETS GOOOOOOOO

[dim aurora]

I didn't win in any way

Tbf i play once in like 1 day lol

[wicked creek]

Well, the amount of attempts it took me is frankly embarrassing tbh

It's many

Many

[dim aurora]

[autumn brook]

Wha-

[wicked creek]

Ok beaten it three times now (with murasama and nebulous core as upgrades)

And for myself cosmic discharge

Also have 3054 cosmilite bars

[void leaf]

he's easy as shit

[wicked creek]

You the one using wing slot and a thorium revive?

[void leaf]

I didn't use thorium revive that fight

but yeah, wing slot emberassing

tbh tho, I did kill it honestly when I was first played like 2-3 years ago

[vale kelp]

doubt

[chrome moth]

he is but the only annoying part is at the end

so you cant practice as easily

at least the fight is much quicker than vanilla

[radiant cradle]

gg pvz1 fog levels

[autumn brook]

YESSSSSS

[grim swallow]

I meant inferno potion to knock lil shrooms

[thin canyon]

[grim swallow]

Tho I'm probably late cuz I couldn't text for half an hour

[prisma jewel]

Aren't you meant to get like 1 or 2 instahouses from the starter bag or am I tripping

[thin canyon]

instahouse

[prisma jewel]

My friend started an infernum run and didn't get any but I remember getting some, maybe it was fargos that gave me them

[void leaf]

which starter bag?

[prisma jewel]

The calamity one

[void leaf]

It's fargo

[prisma jewel]

Ah

makes sense then

[fading dove]

devi's gift is included in the starter bag in souls dlc

[autumn brook]

well wrath of the gods was fun🔥

[radiant cradle]

what weapon should i use as a ranger for yharon

[grim swallow]

Phangasm or sdfmg

[fading dove]

ultima is supposedly good

ive got zero experience with ranger at that stage though

[void leaf]

phangasm, use it with cosmilite bars arrows, that's a lot of damage, but you need to aim though

[grim swallow]

Phangasm is higher dps than sdfmg but requires more aim

[radiant cradle]

alr thanks

[grim swallow]

But if you are doing infernum sdfmg is much easier to use cuz half the time yharon is offscreen

[dim aurora]

Isnt rubico prime the best for yharon

[gloomy wedge]

SDFMG

[alpine temple]

Yo playing mage, post golem, trying to fight EoL scoria armor is the best I can get yes? and the weapon I'm using is bat scepter, should I use another weapon?

[void leaf]

there are better options for weapon

[grim swallow]

Isnt spectre better than mage scoria?

[alpine temple]

Idk

[grim swallow]

For weapon, have you killed duke

[alpine temple]

I never use specter stuff

[grim swallow]

Chrck Spectre armor

[alpine temple]

I have killed duke for his wings

[grim swallow]

I think it has mpre dps than scoria

Well razorblade typhoon is good

[alpine temple]

I think I have that

[grim swallow]

Its probably better than the staff from the post plant mages or any other options

Tho there may be smth im forgetting about

[fading dove]

bubble gun

aauuhh

[alpine temple]

Its so short range tho, it seems good just kinda hard to use

[fading dove]

empress also stays right next to you

[grim swallow]

Also are you dps mage or survival

If dps then I believe that brimflame has more dps than any other available armor

[alpine temple]

Idk, I'm kinda winging it, my stuff all have warding tho

[grim swallow]

Tbh brimflame is a really good option

2 less defense than hydrothermic and more damage

Not including the set bonus

[alpine temple]

Imma try spectre armor

[grim swallow]

The setbonus gives +40% damage and -21hp/s for up to 10 seconds but can be disabled

For context thats more damage than rage tier 1

No wait thats eage tier 2(post crab)

[light gulch]

Buh
on top of being way harder than anything PreHM, this guy lagged the fuck outta my PC

which makes me hella scared of DoG even though I'm no where near him

[chrome moth]

lag on single player infernum destroyer?

[light gulch]

No, Eternity Revengeance

[chrome moth]

ah right

[light gulch]

also, fuck Queen Slime in particular for having all of her attacks fuck with my vertical mobility

that's just rude

[red jay]

eternity revengance is so hard

[wicked creek]

Honestly you're kinda right, the laser grids are VERY laggy in base calamity

[red jay]

is there any addons you know of that could remedy that ?

[wicked creek]

Well, you'll be happy to know maybe that most post ML calamity bosses are still unchanged

[wicked creek]

Nope, not really

[red jay]

yeah, its post like golem i believe

[wicked creek]

Calclone to be specific

[red jay]

yeah :D

i found eternity rev calclon to be easier than basegame

[wicked creek]

But don't worry, there's plenty of hard bosses because of Fargo's souls

Even post ML

[red jay]

yeah !!

i played thru fargos vanilla before revengance eternity

[vale kelp]

how does one even hit the hive mind

the bladecrest oathsword doesnt reach

[red jay]

in calamity rev ?

eternity rev i mean

[vale kelp]

infernum

[red jay]

https://youtu.be/eeZ1BtIPVuo

i havent played infernum melee

but this guy seems to be using bladecrest

it looks like a battle of attrition

[vale kelp]

well hold on a minute

my hive mind

just camps

[wicked creek]

I used old lord greatsword

[vale kelp]

in the air

genuine rat bro

[wicked creek]

It has better homing stars

[indigo spire]

nameless deity of lightskin

[vale kelp]

i have genuinely 0 luck with the bone serpent spawns

[red jay]

ur hivemind might just be a call of duty player

[wicked creek]

You can also use flamearang

[vale kelp]

or that

:/

[wicked creek]

Old lord Greatsword is better IMO tho lol

[red jay]

pooparang

amirite

[wicked creek]

The flamarang is crafted

[vale kelp]

i know

[outer path]

finally

a lot of the fight is pretty good but there's a few attacks that just suck

[keen sky]

are there any mods that allow to play catalyst, or wrath of the gods in multiplayer?

[light gulch]

Also I used Forbidden armor by fishing it up
Idc if it's a bug I'm bad at videogames so I'm gonna take what I can get

[radiant cradle]

how do you tell when infernum yharon is going to dash

he dashes with different timings each time for some reason

like competely different

[fading dove]

catalyst and wrath of the gods, respectively

[keen sky]

so they work in multiplayer

[fading dove]

wotg as best it can

[keen sky]

okay thanks

[vale kelp]

hive mind isnt a required boss yea?

[radiant cradle]

okay i fucking cant beat this guy as ranger

i beat him 4th try as a summoner

but this shit is impossible as ranger

[vale kelp]

doesnt he scream

and then dashes

[radiant cradle]

he screams every like 2 seconds

before every single attack

[vale kelp]

well tbf

[radiant cradle]

not just dashes

[vale kelp]

just dash

on every scream

also it would help to look for a pattern

[radiant cradle]

also he doesnt scream on dashes like most of the time

like at least half the dashes

[vale kelp]

just ram ig

[radiant cradle]

i cant just ram because he for some reason sometimes stops for like 1.5x times longer than usual

and then hits me during my ram

[vale kelp]

thats infernum ❤️

[radiant cradle]

the variance is what kills me

i need to know how to differentiate the timings

because seemingly there's 0 difference in the cues

he just dashes later sometimes

[vale kelp]

well i cant tell you cuz ive never fought yharon in infernum :p

[fading dove]

i like how goozma has projectile deletion which makes basically every on tier weapon useless

[radiant cradle]

okay then why are you giving tips to someone who has beaten inf.yharon before

[fading dove]

and by basically every on tier weapon i mean everything except ataraxia's tmelee

[dense ocean]

Will this work against Yharon?

(Infernum.)

[radiant cradle]

why not asgardian aegis?

[dense ocean]

I don't have Cosmilite.

[vale heart]

Yharon pre dog is elite

[fading dove]

reaper tooth is doing nothing for you

[dense ocean]

Class Setups lied to me.

[radiant cradle]

damn i also forgot to reforge most of my accs

[light gulch]

AAGH
Why are half of Eternity Rev Cryogen's attacks nearly invisible and the other half completely unreactable

or is a ram dash legally mandated

[fading dove]

?????????

theyve all got tells

[jovial sedge]

what do i do if the terminus isn't on the abyss ground

in infernum

[fading dove]

https://infernummod.wiki.gg/wiki/Terminus_absence_from_the_Abyss

[jovial sedge]

[light gulch]

they've all got tells and they're either impossible to see in the air or he homes at light speed

[radiant cradle]

guhhh i forgot to equip silva wings too

so i just died about halfway through the second health bar because i ran out of flight

i was using celestial tracers

[fading dove]

celestial tracers on yharon is

well

it is

[radiant cradle]

is there a way to know when yharon will teleport

instead of dashing

[red jay]

Eye Of Foresight

[radiant cradle]

ah yes, i should totally get that

[red jay]

in all honesty, idk

[fading dove]

learning the pattern

thats really it

[red jay]

your username is so fire

[wicked creek]

You can memorize each subphase's pattern

[dense ocean]

How do I best find Skeleton Merchant?

[wicked creek]

Unlike what some people think, yharon is an extremely pattern-reliant boss

[wicked creek]

Make a big arena in the caves (preferably jungle), and then use spawn increasing items

And use the lifeform analyzer or one of its upgrades

[dim aurora]

From what people tell yharon is way easier than dog

[night galleon]

I personally disagree, since dog has a much easier pattern to get down

[radiant cradle]

why is yharon like 10x harder than when i fought him 2 weeks ago

[night galleon]

When head close, ram

[radiant cradle]

not even two weeks

11 days

[dim aurora]

Idk

[radiant cradle]

i beat him in 4 attempts 11 days ago

[night galleon]

Similar logic with yharon but like

[jovial sedge]

placing the tile with dragonlens gives me this 💔

[night galleon]

His charges are faster and he can charge towards you from greater distances

Varying the timing

[dim aurora]

The patterns dont even matter that much on dog, what matters is how this clanking worm decides to position himself, and yharons a dashslop

[alpine temple]

my empress of light fell through the floor what happened

[jovial sedge]

she slipped

[light gulch]

Genuinely what am I supposed to do about the Dark Ice Crystal attack
bro glues him 2 inches from my face while aiming at me and then shoots a mile long beam straight through my skull

[alpine temple]

THERES TWO OF THEM

HELP

[jovial sedge]

this is getting out of hand

now there are two of them

[night galleon]

There are indeed two of them

[radiant cradle]

is there anything i should change to make this fight at least somewhat bearable

[jovial sedge]

so uh what do i do

it would be very funny to kill my base with the boss rush

[night galleon]

Perhaps a full tank setup

[cedar laurel]

I guess you could change quiver of nihility for defensive stuff

I think pulse rifle was pretty good

[night galleon]

Like nebulous core and chalice

Actually chalice mainly

[gloomy wedge]

Use SDFMG

[night galleon]

That too

[gloomy wedge]

Drop quiver for either absorber or sealocket

[radiant cradle]

i cant even get to phase 2 using sdfmg

i at least get to phase 2 sometimes with phangasm

[gloomy wedge]

Fearmonger is just better than God Slayer I’m pretty sure

Since you get slots to use stuff like Kalandra

[radiant cradle]

since it takes about 3 minutes to get to phase 2 with sdfmg

[gloomy wedge]

Oh, Dark Sun Ring

Get that

Asap

[night galleon]

Oh yeah dark sun is peak

Flat 12% straight up extra dmg is nice

[light gulch]

Is there something wrong with my equipment
because Cryogen has killed me 18 times and I hate him so fucking much

[night galleon]

But the additional daytime based stuff makes it great

[night galleon]

Why are you using the molten enchantment

[light gulch]

I don't have much else that does good stuff atm
I was using it for Destroyer b/c I needed the extra damage

[fading dove]

sorcerer emblem

chen

[wicked creek]

I haven't played the Fargo's souls DLC yet but I hear wizard enchantment is kinda goated if you have an enchantment you wanna boost

[fading dove]

lemme go cook up a hybrid mage summoner loadout

[wicked creek]

So if you have a slot you don't know how to fill

You could try that

[radiant cradle]

oh my fucking god i hate yharon teleports

he deals damage even if i ram and avoid the fire

for no reason

[cedar laurel]

Is this eternity mode

[radiant cradle]

there's no way ranger is THIS bad compared to summmoner

[wicked creek]

Well ranger doesn't have too many amazing options for yharon if I remember correctly.

While summoner is summoner, aka absolutely strong as shit

[radiant cradle]

but i dont see any other reason why yharon could go from top 3 easiest post-hm bosses ever to the hardest boss ever

because yharon was literally THAT easy when i fought him 11 days ago

[north sable]

Howdy, I can't find anything about Infernum Golem getting some particular damage reduction thing but I'm pretty sure he did

any clue why is that ?

[humble marlin]

i dont think or remember him having dr

he does have a huge health pool but not dr afaik

[light gulch]

Yeah
every other mode I've played he's fine

[north sable]

I notived on last phase I was dealing only like 1k DPS

with butcher chainsaw

[alpine temple]

What does daylight EoL drop that night time EoL doesnt? in infernum/

[wicked creek]

Nothing, just guaranteed terraprisma instead of only being a 33% chance

[fading dove]

used shellfish staff and meteor staff and got a 1:49 first try

[alpine temple]

Oh, cool, well its still cool

[light gulch]

what's the blue enchant

[waxen tide]

wizard enchant

[light gulch]

I thought that was the purple one

[radiant cradle]

i wish this fight didnt last 5+ minutes

i still havent changed my accs btw

so i would spend even longer than that if i did

[waxen tide]

thats ashadow ench

[light gulch]

ah

[alpine temple]

What should I replace gelatin with? fighting EoL post golem as a mage

[jovial sedge]

i played ranger on SG and got fucked

switched to mage flamelash and destroyed him so quick

some classes are really that op man

[alpine temple]

flashlash?

flamelash*

[jovial sedge]

yeah

flamelash

anhilated them

spamclick flamelash

[gloomy wedge]

Yeah mage is really good post skeletron

Unfortunately the rest of the game happens

And ranger kinda just stays better until you beat jared

(Or if you use glorious end but honest to god is that even mage)

[jovial sedge]

i used summoner on skeletron and it anhilated him dps wise

i feel like i'm not struggling as much as i should on infernum

probably because i switch classes so much for fun and often end up chosing the right one

only class i haven't used so far this playtrough is melee, but i'll use it on WoF because Night's Edge

probably a bad idea but hey its worth a shot

[noble summit]

Infernum just not that tough

Ether bosses are hard af or easy af

[jovial sedge]

so like

MD is actually harder

[noble summit]

Yeah easily

[jovial sedge]

beside endgame

infernum looks really challenging post ML

while MD gives little to no changes beside stats

[noble summit]

Lowkey i only struggled on a handful on infernum bosses

Which is why im on master infernum atm

[jovial sedge]

how bad is it

[noble summit]

Im only on hive mind rn

Its pretty unforgiving if u get hit

[jovial sedge]

only boss i stuggled on is skeletron so far

well, "struggled"

i switched to sumonner to dps him down

i like infernum so far but i have to admit that :
master death EoC is much better
i hate infernum skeletron's design, its just bootleg ares now

[fading dove]

and why do you think master eoc is better?

[jovial sedge]

its chaotic asf

he just does not let you breath

like not even one second

you have to focus

and it's pretty satisfying to dodge in a fight like this with the mobility you have at that stage

he was way less agressive in infernum

[noble summit]

Ye infernum at time just a bullet hell

Scal

[dense ocean]

Supreme Witch, Calamitas is a bullet hell normally, it's the most faithful adaption.

[shy pagoda]

i felt like you could just move left or right and dodge most of skeletron's attacks

[wicked creek]

For some vanilla bosses yeah

But in general for calamity bosses no

[shut bramble]

whats the best rogue weapons in infernum for exo mechs? and whats the best post exo mechs for calamitas?

[gloomy wedge]

Post exos is dreamtastic + supernova

[light gulch]

Ursa Sergeant sucks actually idk why I used it
I should have seen the fuckin decreased movement speed and stayed the hell away from it

[gloomy wedge]

I don’t actually know for exos

[shut bramble]

i can use dreamtastic pre exo as well

should i

[gloomy wedge]

Idk

Watch no hits, see what they do

[shut bramble]

what about the final dawn?

[fading dove]

cluebed

ursa is absurdly powerful

20 defence and big regen on a post wof item

[light gulch]

it's gotten me killed repeatedly because of the lowered speed

[fading dove]

your base movespeed in cal is 150%

are you running all warding

[night fractal]

are you using boots

[light gulch]

No
Manacing + Lucky mix

[night fractal]

ah

[fading dove]

that explains why youve been dying

you dont have any bulk

[night fractal]

defense becomes stronger the more of it you have

That's why Ursa is so broken when paired with warding gear

[fading dove]

plus the 30 bonus max hp from the eternity mode change to defence modifiers

[light gulch]

All I know is when I had Ursa I was getting hit by damn near every Twin attack
I switch off it to Permafrost concoction and now I'm not getting hit

[fading dove]

mmmm

twins require a lot more mobility than other bosses for a while

[light gulch]

I don't have the DPS to invest in bulk
not enough to make me last through fights

[night fractal]

you underestimate how much bulk snowballs

[light gulch]

because I am aware that my skill is limited

[night fractal]

Bulk is the best playstyle for limited skill

is the thing

[vital mulch]

boring!

[fading dove]

also even a shitty build will kill twins rather fast

i did 1.7x hp maso twins in i think ~4:15 with fucking flesh hand

[vital mulch]

why 1.7x hp

[open flower]

Why did no one gave avatar of emptiness another taco

[fading dove]

forgot i set it to that somewhere around queen bee and decided to roll with it

[vital mulch]

fair enough

[fading dove]

like this was the loadout i used

it was

i wouldnt call it great

[chrome moth]

why fairy if you already have dash from set bonus

[shut bramble]

whats the best summon gear for exo mechs infernum?

[grim swallow]

what do I switch for the electric jelly here

cuz I got my ass beaten by perfs

[little steppe]

SoC

[viscid scaffold]

Do I have to beat the lunar pillars before I can fight Argus?

[dense ocean]

What?

Do you mean Ravager?

[grim swallow]

you can use deus drops for that

[gloomy wedge]

You only need solar fragments

[viscid scaffold]

Well obviously

I can’t teleport

To the sand dimension

[gloomy wedge]

Pause and open settings while you’re in the portal

[viscid scaffold]

Okay

[grim swallow]

is aearilte summoner worth it

[waxen tide]

movement wise yeah
otherwise I think obsidian is better? aim for bee armor

[waxen tide]

and maybe defense wise too ?

aerilite

actually nvm

obsidian is better

aerospec only if you want cool movement

[grim swallow]

I will check bee dps cuz im using catalyst

I have a solid 400 rn

[heavy void]

i feel bad using catalyst gear pre providence

im gonna rebeat guardians without it

[hearty slate]

What should Daawnlight replace?

[heavy void]

is daawnlight good

[dusky ingot]

Looks nice for sure

[waxen tide]

weapon dependent

[heavy void]

holy

i finally beat infernum guardians

33 attempts

[true meteor]

which one do i use for infernum eow

stealth btw

[nimble ice]

whatever pierces

[nimble wing]

bulk is the best playstyle

[true meteor]

first one pierces but the 2nd has alot of aoe

[granite bough]

I'm getting fucking tempted to make a mod

that where if you take 1500 or more damage in one hit

you don't die and a sound effect that just says "thats bullshit" plays

because nothing in pre hardmode needs to do fucking 1736 damage

nothing in goddamn post moonlord needs to

If you made a fucking boss that did at least a thousand damage it'd be several times stronger than nd im pretty sure

so why the FUCK can a wulfrum thing do it

[nimble ice]

well you could use the first for the first phase and as the worm keeps seperatings you could use the aoe one

[fading dove]

boss rush masodeath mutant desp:

[true meteor]

economy is booming for the daytime eol fandom

[night copper]

How diff is calamitas clone in inf?

[true meteor]

way harder than normal cal clone

[fading dove]

complete overhaul

[true meteor]

its a whole different fight actually

different sprite

different name

completely different attacks

[granite bough]

Yeah see this is fucking bullshit

Pressure plate the same fucking color

as the ground

in darkness

underwater

get instakilled

[granite bough]

me on my way to change EoL daytime to do specifically 1499 damage

[grim swallow]

Are we talking bout the wulfrum mine

Also guys
What happens to skeletron in edeath

[granite bough]

THAT motherfucker

yeah

im putting any coins i have in my magic storage roughly once every 30 seconds

due to the sheer volume of

random instakills

[grim swallow]

Fair

I like the mined cuz they give like 5 wulfrum core thingies

[granite bough]

oh that IS useful

but my swords not progressed to being strong enough yet

(with hp buffed mobs since i was killing everything too fast last run)

made platinum armor

[night copper]

Ufhhh di u still do it before plantera

[grim swallow]

Yuh

[true meteor]

yea

[night copper]

Sounds Like a pain

[grim swallow]

She aint that hard

She is difficult but not insanely

And shes hella fun

A top tier hm fight

[night copper]

I see

[granite bough]

??????????????????

im so confused

why did this appear in my inventory

and why is there a god tier wotg book in prehm

😭

[grim swallow]

It can randomly appear

[granite bough]

oh shuit

oh shit

[grim swallow]

Even more

[fading dove]

you got lucky

[grim swallow]

It can appear at any point with a 1/77777 chance or sum

[fading dove]

thats the luck book

[granite bough]

I better check what you can

HOLY SHIT

[fading dove]

its abhorrently rare

[granite bough]

I guess I'm locked into 100%ing the bookshelf on this world

lmao

[fading dove]

people sometimes have to fucking wait in the postgame for it

[granite bough]

oh my fucking god 😭

I've played so many wotg runs and never seen it

[grim swallow]

There is like 1 book thats worse to get

The damn exo mech one

[granite bough]

I lowkey kinda dont even wanna shelf it because of how rare it is

[granite bough]

thats harder to get?

[fading dove]

1/33 drop

aauuhh

[granite bough]

oh

1/33 😭

[grim swallow]

Not even from the bag too

[fading dove]

hope you like farming exos

[granite bough]

thats not HORRIBLE at least

[grim swallow]

Just from the last mech

[granite bough]

I havent played with lucille's exomechs rework yet

but

I'm going to

i wonder if it'll make it harder

[fading dove]

at least maso exos go down fast

[grim swallow]

They are easier than infernuk

[night fractal]

That's so bad what

yikes

[grim swallow]

I will actually farm all books this run

As I did last run

[fading dove]

and i mean fast

[calm saffron]

Is Infernum like Dark Souls where the attacks are choreographed or is that only some of the time

[grim swallow]

I have apple thesis so I wont have to do some shit to get trees in post ml this time

[fading dove]

(this is with absurd minmaxxing)

[spare summit]

The vast majority of the time

[calm saffron]

Sounds interesting

[granite bough]

I'm going to suffer a lot in this world and I can already tell 😭

[spare summit]

At least it’s not apple thesis

[granite bough]

Lemme check the rewards for the book though

[grim swallow]

Also what changes are there to all post bee edeath bosses

[granite bough]

holy shit you can get greater luck potions

[granite bough]

I always bumrush apple thesis and any other books that give cinnamon rollyns early game

as early as you can that is

being post skeletron 😭

[grim swallow]

I usually always get the cactus book

[spare summit]

They don’t give combat buffs better than exquisitely stuffed do they?
I thought it was just better out of combat

[calm saffron]

What is the average boss fight length post moonlord if you have average damage?

[granite bough]

Thats another good one to get

yknow, when terraria modding was a lot younger and supreme calamitas just fucking flew across the world shooting shittons of blasts

I would have NEVER Expected modding to get as advanced as it did

but i shouldnt be too surprised

lol

[grim swallow]

Those are tier 4

[spare summit]

Idk, maybe 3 to 3.5 minutes? Depends on the boss really

[grim swallow]

Exquisitely stuffed is tier 3

[fading dove]

skeletron gets the cal teleports
wof gets a sickle
spaz gets some homing missiles
prime gets some homing missiles
destroyer puts on a little weight
plantera gets the spore dash
golem gets the fireballs on stomp
duke gets the rapid dashes below 15% hp
empress gets a cal attack
cultist gets the big barrier
ml solar can be damaged by rogue
i think this is it for vanilla bosses but im not sure

[granite bough]

Minecraft moddings also been up to some insane shit so modding in general is just getting more powerful I suppose

and holy shit

the VFX on Calamity Entropy weapons

[grim swallow]

I should have mentioned in pre hm

[fading dove]

wildly depends on the boss
for example, exos are intended ~6 minutes while storm weaver is like 1:30

[spare summit]

6 minutes

What do you have to be doing for it to last that long

[grim swallow]

What happens to slime god

[fading dove]

either like 5 or 6 i cant remember

uhhhh

eternity ai

[waxen tide]

6 minutes for expert rev exos
in inf it would be different probably

[fading dove]

its been a while since i fought it so i can't remember anything about it besides there's a core phase

[shy pagoda]

once you kill nameless deity you can cheat in all the other books since you have the slip

[fading dove]

but thats lame

[grim swallow]

Smart

But boring

[spare summit]

Once you cheat in the books it doesn’t matter because you have to get all the books before that

[waxen tide]

still 4min + but whatever

[fading dove]

inf scal intended is like 4:30 iirc

[granite bough]

I really should learn to make mods for thjis game as well

[grim swallow]

I think its closer to 4
I usually use the MNLs to determine the fight length
Scals MNL is 3:30 so somewhere around 4 is good

[granite bough]

tbh

I wanna see if I could get a similarly effective meta horror

like the broken script mod

[spare summit]

Mnl is for damage maxed load outs

Not average length

[grim swallow]

Just always play glass cannon

Then its average

[granite bough]

no idea what the fuck the premise of such a mod would be, but you can definitely make horror work in terraria
you could use a photoshop flowey style for something, like ND does, or alternatively you could use screen-altering elements and some other shit

[grim swallow]

Because last time slime god received a change from an addon that shit was worse than scal

[granite bough]

vibingleaf's terraria - vremya is a decent concept of terraria horror

[waxen tide]

no mnl for exos though

[spare summit]

I hope we don’t get an influx of shitty horror mods like Minecraft has gotten

[fading dove]

dweller mods for terraria except they all fucking suck because you have featherfall and hooks

[shy pagoda]

wotg does horror perfectly imo

[heavy void]

my infernum providence fight lasted 5 minutes

[shy pagoda]

the water freezing over, the music that plays, the snow that blankets the world

[fading dove]

dwellers when they have to deal with nasty cholla

[spare summit]

Cosmic horror fits terraria well and wotg does a good job at it, I kinda just wish there was more

[grim swallow]

I once had a 6 minute prov fight as ranger

[heavy void]

i was ranger too

[grim swallow]

Infernum

[heavy void]

i had a tank setup

no damage accessories whatsoever

[grim swallow]

I had some but I wasnt using the best options for weapons

[shy pagoda]

it’s slow burn but you do have the mirrorwalkers

and the

…tree?

also the scene where old duke gets kidnapped scared me

[heavy void]

this was my loadout

[spare summit]

Yeah those, and the whole sequence of summoning the avatar of emptiness and the rift showing up

[heavy void]

same loadout as guardians except i had aegis instead of hero shield

[spare summit]

Never got to see the old duke thing because it doesn’t work with indernum

[fading dove]

she doesnt even have a debuff infected jewel is doing next to nothing

[heavy void]

i did not know that

[grim swallow]

Fym hallowed armor

[heavy void]

are you seirous

[shy pagoda]

if you bring it down to death mode it happens

[heavy void]

its genuinely broken

the dodge is the most overpowered ability out of all the armor sets u can get

at this stage

[fading dove]

old duke only gets torn apart by countless hands if he uses basecal ai

[grim swallow]

Did you need that much survivability for prov

[heavy void]

i mean yeah

i either go all survivability or all damage

i went all damage against dragonfolly and melted him in about 30 sec

but providence has too many phases for that and i died in 4 hits

[fading dove]

doesnt bumblefuck have 3 phases in inf

and prov 2

[shy pagoda]

I feel like one could make a good cave dweller if they tried hard enough

[heavy void]

bumblebirb phases dont make him immune to damage though

tbh i didnt really know what was going on that whole fight

[fading dove]

prov isn't immune to damage either

[heavy void]

it went really quick

[fading dove]

just gets big dr

[heavy void]

well you know what i mean

[grim swallow]

Even then prov is immune in like 2 qttacks

[waxen tide]

provi is only immune when changing to crystal

[heavy void]

i just couldnt survive long enough with damage loadout

my tank loadout didnt even have that much defense

i just had 2 dodges and a lot of regen

[waxen tide]

use superradiant slaugheter with strong damage loadout and kill her before any hard stuff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893924166925955104/1391083174561321090/behold_the_power_Wykonano_za_pomoca_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=68a49ca9&is=68a34b29&hm=fe608d08cefcf7e17ece8486483caaa52279acee53ce8d36a3a7b6660220d23f&

[fading dove]

this is true

[heavy void]

what does odd mushroom do

[waxen tide]

50% dmg and fun copies

[heavy void]

i thought they got rid of the damage

[waxen tide]

its still there and its awsome

[grim swallow]

Odd mushroom on dog

Best shit ever

Free 50% damage

[waxen tide]

odd mushroom on most of infernum since there are only like 2 bad bosses because of copies

[heavy void]

is there a better tank armor than hallowed pre providence

[grim swallow]

People should do mars shroomed

[spare summit]

Reaver and maybe solar flare and Valhalla

[waxen tide]

reaver armor with helmet

[spare summit]

I’m not sure how mollusk compares to hallowed

[grizzled onyx]

i think maybe hallowed is better

[waxen tide]

hallowed dodge is pretty good so idk

[fading dove]

on tier? a bit more offensively focused
at pre prov? absolutely worse

[grizzled onyx]

mollusk feels like crap to use to me

[spare summit]

Oh it is if you care about dodging everything

It kinda eliminates the need for that

[waxen tide]

I never cared about mollusk because less movement speed is too noticable

[heavy void]

doesnt it reduce ur movement speed

[gloomy wedge]

mollusk is really good

just wear 2 pieces

[heavy void]

nvm it doesnt

[spare summit]

Besides with glorious end for movement and damage the movement speed reduction doesn’t matter

[gloomy wedge]

and use like hallowed mask in final slot or smth

[waxen tide]

I think it cuts your flight time at most
not sure about movement speed

[heavy void]

wait it does

-30% movement speed

does that affect flight speed though

[waxen tide]

yes

[heavy void]

the flight time doesnt matter for providence

i mean celestial starboard hover should still be more than fast enough

[dreamy canopy]

Any recommendations for mods and add-ons I should try? I already managed to beat Calamity, but still in that ADHD, hyperfixation mode on Terraria. It was my first mod, and managed to beat the Exos on my 2nd try.

[heavy void]

infernum

wrath of the gods

catalyst

[spare summit]

Wrath of the gods
Catalyst
Infernum if you feel like a more difficult but more fair experience

[heavy void]

infernum is way more fun than vanilla calamity imo

[spare summit]

It is

But some new players hate it because they get stuck

[dreamy canopy]

Whys that?

[grim swallow]

There is some stuff that is interesting but I havent ever used it cuz its bulk

[grim swallow]

Well its hard

[heavy void]

why do players get stuck or why is it more fun

[dreamy canopy]

I tried Wrath of the Gods, and Hunt of the Gods, but they didn't work... NPC never spawned.

[heavy void]

were you playing multiplayer

[dreamy canopy]

No, single player.

[heavy void]

thats odd

[grim swallow]

Well WotG must be added on worldgen

And HotOG doesnt have any npcs

[dreamy canopy]

That might be the problem.

[spare summit]

Better visuals
All bosses are reworked
More fair and telegraphed attack patterns that are also more demanding of skill
Some people don’t like it because they get frustrated trying to beat a certain boss and to be fair a few of the post moon lord ones kind of suck

[heavy void]

the difficulty curve is better in infernum

[spare summit]

True

[dreamy canopy]

It was really hard to see my cursor most of the time tbh. I was a summoner build, and most of my difficulty tended to be flat.

[heavy void]

it gets much harder post moon lord but that makes it a lot more fun because you spend the most time on the most fun part of the game

[spare summit]

Change the color

[dreamy canopy]

Oh?

[spare summit]

Black cursor with white outline helps a lot

Do it in settings

[heavy void]

imo infernum is still really easy in phm

it gets a little more difficult in hm

and in pml its a lot more difficult

its not like regular calamity where a random hm boss is insanely difficult and the pml is a breeze

[spare summit]

Skeletron is harder for most new players than most of hardmode I think

But other than that yeah

[heavy void]

i didnt find skeletron that hard but ive fought him before

most ppl dont realize all u have to do to dodge his one spammy attack is move in one direction slightly

[dreamy canopy]

I thought skeletrons hardest move was the face roll

[shy pagoda]

evil and indimidating skeletron prime(s)

[granite bough]

fucking died in 1 hit

again

i HATE mimics

[tawdry violet]

how am i supposed to use this portal thing?

[granite bough]

why can they shoot projectiles now

[dense ocean]

The civilian obliterators.

[granite bough]

mimics already have

fucking STUPID attack damage

giving them a projectile is just like

at that point you're summoning fucking

satan

[grim swallow]

Open settings in the portal

[grim swallow]

At least its not the attack of doom of jungle mimics on gfb

Taking 500 damage to the face is one thing

[granite bough]

if i put this world on gfb

i feel like

ND himself would crawl out of my monitor

[grim swallow]

Taking ∞ moral damage is another thing

[granite bough]

and kill me irl

[gloomy wedge]

personally, i would recommend not playing calamity

try out other mods

theres a LOT out there

[grim swallow]

(for context even in vanilla jungle mimics on gfb shit out eandom blocks)

[dreamy canopy]

Huh... Fair. I was honestly mostly struggling with Calamity cause I found it real hard to see most of the attacks...

But- what mods would you suggest?

[gloomy wedge]

there's a lot

[fading dove]

fargo's souls 🤤

[gloomy wedge]

fargo's souls is a big one

[dense ocean]

Thorium's a popular choice.

[gloomy wedge]

redemption, thorium, sots

man i wish we had sga in modern versions

[dreamy canopy]

I only started playing Terraria this week.

[dense ocean]

What was sga?

[gloomy wedge]

RANDOM BULLSHIT GO

[dense ocean]

You did play the vanilla game first before Calamity, right?

[fading dove]

tip: don't jump straight into modded

[gloomy wedge]

well it looks like they're a bit too late now

[dense kettle]

Can someone help me please? Im trying to access the lost colluseum (infernum)but i can't. When i used the sandstorm's core the blue thing appeared but didin't bringed me anywhere.

[gloomy wedge]

so uh, cant really back out

pause while you're jumping in the portal

[dense kettle]

I rejoined and there was still

[fading dove]

pause the game while in it

[dense ocean]

Pause.

[dense kettle]

Nothing

uhc ok

[tawdry violet]

open settings

[dense kettle]

oh there we go

Thanks

[gloomy wedge]

stars above is one im not a fan of but i know a lot of people are

heard good things about remnants

[nimble wing]

content mods: redemption, spooky (just don't use redemption and spooky because there's a worldgen conflict), spirit reforged, calamity fables (NOT A CALAMITY ADDON)
vanilla change mods: vanilla bosses remade
calamity addons: infernum, wrath of the gods, catalyst(?)
crossmod: fargo's souls dlc

[gloomy wedge]

i have no idea what spooky is so im gonna trust you on that

[nimble wing]

okay then get out of here immediately (with love) and beat vanilla first

[dreamy canopy]

...What?

[heavy void]

okay reaver armor is actually insane

it turns providence into a joke

[dreamy canopy]

I beat Vanilla, and then Calamity.

[tawdry violet]

stars above is cool (i only know it for the cool weapons)

[nimble wing]

oh wait you did

apologies

[grim swallow]

In a week?

[heavy void]

i think i went below half health twice that whole fight

[grim swallow]

Damn

[dreamy canopy]

Yeah, I got it 6 days ago

[gloomy wedge]

the cool weapons are why i dont like it

[gloomy wedge]

damn thats impressive

[fading dove]

the bosses in TSA are neat

[tawdry violet]

explain

[gloomy wedge]

you need some simple weapons in your mod

[dreamy canopy]

and yesterday, I beat the Exos/Calamitis

[gloomy wedge]

you cant just have everything be super complex

thats why calamity weapons arent all aotc

[tawdry violet]

actually you have a point

[gloomy wedge]

if they were it would make that weapon feel a lot less special

stars above is a mod with only aotcs

[heavy void]

how come almost every vanilla weapon feels special in vanilla

[gloomy wedge]

and most of them arent good

[nimble wing]

stars above weapons tend even to be significantly more complex than aotc

[gloomy wedge]

hell, its not even aotc

a lot of them are like

ok we have a cool idea for a yoyo here

wait why are you adding cooldowns

why is there a second ability for it

[spare summit]

Because there’s less of them which means less overlap so they feel more impactful
That’s about it really

[gloomy wedge]

also summoner is one of the most insanely broken classes ive ever seen in tsa

[heavy void]

lol

[dreamy canopy]

Its broken in TSA?

[gloomy wedge]

got genuine 1k dps pre-skeletron

[gloomy wedge]

with full warding

[heavy void]

40 hits

[grim swallow]

Wait a quick question

What big mods work with cal by addons amd shi

And do they get boss reworks like fargo gets with fargo dlc

[gloomy wedge]

fargos is basically the only one iirc

theres a wip for thorium but i have no idea how thats going

[dreamy canopy]

Oh, that shows you that about bosses?

Ah, my bad. 3 attempts.

[teal crag]

bloodflare > tarragon right

pre old duke ranger

[gloomy wedge]

yes

[granite bough]

yeah okay where the fuck did you come from solyn

[gloomy wedge]

wtf fullbright

[teal crag]

also is affliction viable

[gloomy wedge]

very

[dreamy canopy]

Calamity fables isn't a Calamity add-on? huh.
Any of those you'd recommend first, or just all of 'em in general?

[wicked creek]

Infernum?

[teal crag]

yeah

[gloomy wedge]

personally i'd recommend fargo's souls next

its a very well made mod

i would argue better than calamity in terms of the quality of its content

[teal crag]

ignore the wings imma see if i can change em

[dreamy canopy]

...Really? But Calamity is really nice

[wicked creek]

Use omega blue

Last phase is genuine hell to dodge so you wanna bring the damage as fast as possible

[wicked creek]

Wait infernum and souls ain't compatible

[gloomy wedge]

calamity has like 12 million trillion billion things in it

[wicked creek]

What difficulty is this

[gloomy wedge]

which means that a lot of it isnt of the highest quality

its still a very good mod