calamity-addon-talk

[scarlet shadow]

not for you

[dim aurora]

didnt know

ts doesnt tell me

[fast nacelle]

The really bad shit is tenebreus tides

[scarlet shadow]

yeah shouldnt rely on that, harpies drop souls of flight in hardmode

[dim aurora]

eruption is also cc

[fast nacelle]

Solar eruption is fine

[dim aurora]

lol

welp ml

here we go

[fast nacelle]

Wait what’s cc?

Catcat(food)?

[dim aurora]

yes

summons catfood on crits

[scarlet shadow]

True Biome Blade aint good either

[dim aurora]

[dim aurora]

i meant every biome blade weapon

[late path]

i fight desert scourge or eye of cthylu after king slime in masodat

[dim aurora]

masodat?

[late path]

masodeaht

[scarlet shadow]

atleast he got the accessories right

[dim aurora]

oh dk im not a maso

[late path]

took me 7 hours with my friend to kill king slime

[dim aurora]

is bereft vessel worth fighting

[scarlet shadow]

whatever sinks your boat bro

[lilac scarab]

Yeah

[fast nacelle]

Desert scourge

[scarlet shadow]

Myrindael is great for both dps and mobility

[fast nacelle]

Or eye

[late path]

i think he gives upgrades to sandstorm weapons

[fast nacelle]

Who cares

[fast nacelle]

Yes

[lilac scarab]

Best rogue weapon for primordial wyrm?

[fast nacelle]

Simply cuz myrindael is broken for every class

[scarlet shadow]

sand shark drops are mid for that stage even with Infernum's buffs

[fast nacelle]

Infernum?

[lilac scarab]

Yes

[fast nacelle]

God slayer spiky balls and

Uhhh

Idk

Dynamic pursuer

Sure

[scarlet shadow]

Dreamtastic

[fast nacelle]

Trueeee

Don’t forget it’s a spam weapon

Don’t use stealth

[dim aurora]

how do i enter the portal

oh

pausing

one way to teleport

[hard stone]

bruh what the hell is this

[late path]

which one because me and my friend are confuse

[fast nacelle]

Desert scourge has more upgrades

[hearty solstice]

playing masochist death as a summoner, struggling with cursed coffin do i need to change anything

[late path]

whens cursed coffind

[fast nacelle]

Post eye

[fast nacelle]

Get enchantments

Like any enchantment

They’re all very good

I like ancient cobalt for cursed coffin

[lunar parcel]

is slime god supposed to be that easy on infernum?

[dim aurora]

love the "random bullshit with no warning go!"typa bosses

this ones no exception

[elder wind]

Beeg tree.

[hard stone]

Hell yeah

[elder nebula]

BEEF TREE 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥

[elder wind]

SHUT UPPPP

NOT MY FAULT MOBILE KEYS ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER

[still merlin]

I think bundle of balloons is usually better than fledgling if you want to do that

[limber sage]

also better than skyline

which is funny

[still merlin]

That is goofy

But fart balloon is just that powerful

[dim aurora]

that tree is a sociopath

i meant sociophobe

sigh...

[scarlet shadow]

what summoner setup should i use for Inf SCal? 🤔

[dim aurora]

Im mad cuz i dont beat every boss first try

Grrrr

[lunar parcel]

chat do i bother with the night's edge if i'm playing normal melee?

[scarlet shadow]

get 2 (and leave them in your storage til one Post Providence and the other Post Yharon)

[fading dove]

because youtube guides fucking suck

[earnest zinc]

sigh

i REALLY wish WoTG got feature where we can save her

😭

tis unfair

[echo sleet]

any other armors than turtle and reaver for melee masodeath post plantera?

[echo sleet]

from one side, it would be cool and nice
but from the other, how would you do it?

we don't have any magical powers to project barriers like she did

[waxen tide]

hallowed/ada

[echo sleet]

what you gonna do? give her the sponge?

LOL

[echo sleet]

hallowed and adamantite for post plantera?

[waxen tide]

yeah

[echo sleet]

what about closer to "on tier"

[earnest zinc]

maybe

JUST

maybe

craft a new body since her souls still there

😔

*copium

[echo sleet]

that makes no sense

[waxen tide]

theres only 1 armor post plant

and thats reaver

[echo sleet]

i guess i'm staying with turtle then

cause reaver either destroys my damage or destroys my defense

[frigid sail]

cool as fuck actually

[lean grove]

Hey so

Why isn't the operator selling any modded treasure bags other than perforators and the hive mind's

Please answer, I want the community

[fading dove]

community is only useful for upgrading it

[echo sleet]

community only drops from anahitas treasure bag

afaik at least

[lean grove]

Yeah

Thats

Why im asking

The operator from alchemistnpcs

Isn't selling the treasure bags

Past hivemind

[wispy lily]

should i try eternity death mode

ive never beaten normal death mode btw

[fading dove]

yeah

make sure to play on expert

[wispy lily]

why

[fading dove]

because if you play on master then you get masochist

which is significantly harder

[thick bronze]

Best flask for infernum melee pre providence and then on?

[limber sage]

crumbling

crumbling is used pretty much from hardmode to endgame

[thick bronze]

Oh alright

[limber sage]

it's basically how ichor is treated in vanilla

it's just generally the best option

[fading dove]

sometimes ichor is better

[loud musk]

does anyone have tips for dodging infernum ares

i dont get it

[limber sage]

hence the 'generally' part

[keen void]

6% on as

6

fucking

percent

[loud musk]

https://medal.tv/games/terraria/clips/kQMAbKEnZ0T-psVsF?invite=cr-MSxzbHEsMjcxMDI0ODA2&v=15\

this is just inentelligible projectile vomit

none of it is telegraphed

i dont get this shit

[keen void]

how do i dodge the on land fucking green tornado from as bro

[spice pike]

is there a way to get another dormant key without cheat sheet or something?

[still merlin]

Learn to dodge through attempts

[woven rune]

good for inf provi?

weapons

[still merlin]

Yeah I think that’s pretty good

[woven rune]

bet

[keen void]

how do i dodge it

it just grows and fucks me in the ass

[flint thicket]

Uhh, tips for the perferators? (On eternity mode if that means anything)

[lunar parcel]

i can barely see wof's laser in infernum , is this a bug or what

[lost night]

what rogue weap is best for inf guardians

[woven rune]

I just used the stealth strike with Lunar Kunai but idk

[keen void]

FINALLY FUCKING BEAT THIS PISS WORM

YES

[woven rune]

these weapons kinda fucking suck me thinks

first tried her and admittedly wasn't dodging great but 4:46? 💀

[lost night]

rogue weapons you mean?

[woven rune]

probably my build but yeah

[lost night]

i deadass agree

on my rogue playthrough rn

[woven rune]

Utensil Poker works weird with Stealth, Alpha Virus was too slow to hit her effectively for most of the fight, and Lunar Kunai is only great for dummy testing 💔

[lost night]

is utensil poker good then?

[woven rune]

maybe these are spam weapons only idk

[zealous narwhal]

elemental disk is pretty good

[woven rune]

no idea cause I'm building for Stealth

[lost night]

lunar is def stealth

[woven rune]

me when I forget this is a thing 💀

whatever don't need it

[lost night]

should i improve anythign

[zealous narwhal]

i havent played rogue in a good bit but im prettyyy sure its goated for stealth

[woven rune]

I mean I went with this

except for the shield obv

[lost night]

whats the red glove

[woven rune]

damage was shit but my survivability was fantastic

glove of precision

busted for stealth

15% lower attack rate (irrelevant for stealth build) but like 10% damage, 15% crit, and 15% rogue projectile velocity

[scarlet shadow]

most of rogue is still stealth luckily

[lost night]

disk is doing alot more as spam for me than stealth

[woven rune]

true

[lost night]

i really dont know whats best to use if im honest

[woven rune]

used Stellar Knife stealth strikes for all of hardmode 🤑

[scarlet shadow]

overall great besides the ampoule

[woven rune]

Moon Lord viable

[woven rune]

Ampoule is fire fym

[scarlet shadow]

full dmg build my beloved..

[woven rune]

Ampoule + regen candle = unkillable unless you're constantly getting tagged by shit

[true meteor]

what alcohols do i use im melee pre calamitas shadow

[woven rune]

ale and/or purple haze

[flint thicket]

Please?

[scarlet shadow]

so anyway you're post provi now right?

[woven rune]

ye

[keen void]

what do i replace with nuclear fuel rod, jelly charged?

[limber sage]

jelly charged, or ursa

also, angel wings > pixie wings

[thin canyon]

how so

[scarlet shadow]

convinient since im about done with my infernum rogue playthrough

[keen void]

k, also got deepsea staff, i use it right?

[woven rune]

should be chilling now

[limber sage]

yes

use it until brimmy's brimseekers

[woven rune]

kinda need a decent homing stealth option but Profaned Partisan fucks hard

if I can aim I'm killing whatever I need

[lost night]

what did you use for guardians / providence

[keen void]

what mech should i kill now, twins or destroyer, which one easier

[limber sage]

generally the order is twins - dest - sprime

[scarlet shadow]

Shattered Sun works well in homing but it kinda requires you to spam

[lunar parcel]

it's purple i know , but i can barely see it , it's like low transparency or something

[keen void]

s prime was piss ez so i killed him first

[limber sage]

because twins are a pain in the ass

ah-

[keen void]

so who next

[limber sage]

you do know that partially un-nerfs mechs right

[scarlet shadow]

Profaned Partisan is your best choice for now til you kill some sentinels (and guess what more aimables!)

[keen void]

no?

[limber sage]

yeah, first mech is heavily nerfed

2nd is partially nerfed, 3rd is full power

[keen void]

w h a t

[limber sage]

twins are the problem child

[woven rune]

yeah :/

[limber sage]

so ppl kill them first

[woven rune]

kinda hate using the gloves for that exact reason

[limber sage]

dest is too tanky as final mech, so ppl kill him 2nd

[scarlet shadow]

for now obviously get Elysian Wings and also Tarragon armor

[keen void]

SO WHY DID SOMEONE TELL ME TO KILL SPRIME

[limber sage]

sprime is piss easy, so why not save the easiest for last

they likely also, did not know

[woven rune]

yeah ik but I'm using Tarragon Wings instead

[keen void]

oh my days bro

[woven rune]

15 defense and life regen? 🤑

[limber sage]

about the nerfing system

[keen void]

ok so twins now since they will be partially nerfed

[limber sage]

yeah, I'd say that's the best

[scarlet shadow]

i guess

[limber sage]

cuz massive hp can be dealth with

[woven rune]

unless you're a filthy melee main like me

[limber sage]

dealt*

[woven rune]

then you kill him first cause Inferna Cutter is busted

[limber sage]

eehhhh

subshocker is better

[keen void]

well alright, so my setup i got rn is good tho right

[woven rune]

sure

Inferna Cutter shreds AS in seconds 🤑

[limber sage]

avalanche works perfectly fine as well

[lost night]

whats best for guardians

[woven rune]

yeah but you have to actually fight Cryogen and thats long and boring

[scarlet shadow]

but also get Bloodsoaked Crasher, its pretty situational but if you manage to throw it beneath a boss then you'll get a ton of dmg with it

[limber sage]

yeah, it works

[thin canyon]

idk
the lazer still fine tho

[scarlet shadow]

oh mb guardians

[limber sage]

just not 'optimal', but not everyone needs optimal

[woven rune]

^

optimal is boring as hell sometimes honestly

[limber sage]

yeah

[keen void]

or i could go destroyer, kill cryogen, kill twins with daedalus armor and stuff

[scarlet shadow]

Alpha Virus stealth and/or Elemental Disk spam

[limber sage]

pretty sure you don't need 2nd mech for cryonic

you can get it from frozen crates

[woven rune]

you do

oh shit

[limber sage]

post cryogen kill

[scarlet shadow]

i've heard about Lunar Kunai being good but havent used it

[woven rune]

chat is this real

wtf

[keen void]

i aint finna fish for this for 5 hours just to get a tiny edge

[woven rune]

thought you needed adamantite/titanium for it but aight

[lunar parcel]

yeah see , it's bright in here , but mine is like low transparency

maybe its the lighting

[thin canyon]

record

[limber sage]

you can fish for perrenial ore too

with bramble crates

at least, only until SSO is realesed

then ALL CALAMITY items in crates will be removed

[scarlet shadow]

you do for progression but if you're a skipping clanker they unnerfed Reaver Shark as well

[limber sage]

because "fuck you fishing losers"

[keen void]

id rather be stuck on twins for the rest of eternity than to spend another goddamn 5 hours fishing for a whole ass daedalus set, ornate shield, and the summon weapon

[limber sage]

well yeah

[woven rune]

I don't really Reaver Shark cheese anymore

[lunar parcel]

i wish i could, i'll take a screenshot tho

[limber sage]

but that's why I have fargo's and auto fishign mod

[woven rune]

makes pre-hm too boring

[scarlet shadow]

Fishing Machines from Quality of Terraria:

[thin canyon]

ehh
do it then

[keen void]

i could but that'd still be waiting simulator

[limber sage]

auto fishing mod, leave game running, go watch tv

or go for a drive, or go for a walk

make food

it's not waiting sim if you actively do something while game runs

[keen void]

man i wish i could drive, takin the drivers test soon

[dusty cobalt]

I completely forgot about it after they nerfed it

[scarlet shadow]

not the "having a l*fe" talk in my calamity addons 😢

[limber sage]

you don't even need reaver shark to get hellstone preboss

[dense ocean]

Is 'A Life' an addon for Calamity?

[keen void]

ok, what mech does deepsea staff work on the best

[limber sage]

https://calamitymod.wiki.gg/wiki/Brimstone_Crate

chance to give hellstone bars/ores, no boss req

and you can get 7 hellstone from the crags chests too

under the broken bridge

who cares if reaver shark is unnerfed or nerfed

suck on that souls dlc

[spare summit]

And 5 from the underworld lab

[limber sage]

oh yeah, that too

[lunar parcel]

i can barely see it on screen

[thin canyon]

wait
why wall of flesh looks weird

[lunar parcel]

calamity texture pack

[dense ocean]

Infernum and texture pack.

[lunar parcel]

there's an infernum texture pack?

[thin canyon]

give me few min

[scarlet shadow]

Wall of Dread texture pack is so much better smh..

[dense ocean]

No, but it is Infernum Wall of Flesh.

[limber sage]

it very well could be the texture pack

I've found a couple texture packs where some things are just invisible, because the textures/sprites were removed but never replaced

[thin canyon]

im talking about the funny small projectiles

not diff

[lunar parcel]

i saw someone on yt use the same texture pack but the laser was red and bright

[dense ocean]

What projectiles?

[lunar parcel]

wof's laser

not the ray

[spare summit]

Could be lights and shadows or another enhanced visuals mod if you have it

[dense ocean]

I don't follow, there's like two lasers, but they just look kinda like how they normally look.

[lunar parcel]

laser's were like this in his video, same texture pack, different laser

[lost night]

is it better to use my 2 stealth strikes in a row or use 1 wait for 100% use 1 etc

[spare summit]

Wait because damage and crit increases as stealth goes up

Just attack as you hear the sound

[keen void]

got to 0.6% on twins first try

this boss fucking ez

[thin canyon]

yea it is weird

it is actually small

[lunar parcel]

yeah i have no clue why

can barely dodge them

ig i'll disable the pack

[thin canyon]

basically how it works ig

[open flower]

I want to play terrarias wotg 🥹

[true meteor]

i did calamitas clone before plantera is there any gear i should get before plantera im melee btw and its infernum

[loud musk]

current infernum tier list

wof, cultist, moon lord, and DoG are ranked based off my recent low% run and the rest based off an old run i did like a year ago that stopped at polterghast

[zealous narwhal]

why is old duke so high

[scarlet shadow]

correct ranking wdym 🤔

besides Polter

[loud musk]

its a really good ram dash tutorial

to set you up for DoG

[zealous narwhal]

i lowkey always be forgetting to fight him

[loud musk]

i just find polter fun :3c

i like his patterns

adore his desperation phase

[zealous narwhal]

i wish dog had a desperation phase tbh he has like 4 attacks

[gloomy wedge]

Lethal injection coming up!!!

[dense ocean]

If you telegraph your attack like that they'll just dodge.

[spare summit]

Agreed
I thought this was a difficulty tier list and when I saw it was based on fun level I about had an aneurysm

[thin canyon]

let me guess
pc can't handle ?

[open flower]

No

I don't even have a pc i play on a laptop 👍

[loud musk]

difficulty tier lists are lame

and why

[lunar parcel]

infer wof is lowkey kicking my ass, is this a skill issue?

[gloomy wedge]

I just do not fw old duke or polter or wof

[scarlet shadow]

same, infernum + wotg + catalyst

[gloomy wedge]

I think those 3 are the worst fights in the game

[thin canyon]

still
device not strong enough?

[open flower]

My laptop doesnt work 👍

[thin canyon]

gg

[scarlet shadow]

why mention its existance then 😔

[open flower]

Cuz its getting fixed

[scarlet shadow]

kind of but also could get a better weapon

[gloomy wedge]

Yes but there’s some stuff you can optimize in your build

I’d replace counter scarf with an obsidian shield

[limber sage]

night's edge absolutely melts inf WoF

[lunar parcel]

is there anything better at this stage?

[loud musk]

why

[lunar parcel]

but the dash

[gloomy wedge]

Old duke just feels like dog but really really bad

[limber sage]

why do you need a dash

on WoF

[gloomy wedge]

Dashes suck in Infernum I’m gonna be real

I wouldn’t use them unless you need a ram specifically

[lunar parcel]

ight lemme test the shield

[loud musk]

why are you using geltic blade

[scarlet shadow]

Fractured Ark and/or Old Lord's Claymore

[gloomy wedge]

I’d also replace Feral Claws with Brain of Confusion

[loud musk]

thats why i hate yharon

but i think old duke does it way better

[lunar parcel]

i'm mainly using broken biome blade w desert

[loud musk]

because its before DoG and the dash timings are more forgiving

[gloomy wedge]

And swapping Skyline Wings for Bundle of Balloons is also great optimization

[scarlet shadow]

but yeah get the shield, WoF isnt really the boss that keeps your dashes useful

[gloomy wedge]

That’s why

[scarlet shadow]

shortly BoHB

[lunar parcel]

feel like wings are way better

[loud musk]

bundle gives way better acceleration

[scarlet shadow]

you'll need the quick jumps more than a slow flight

[gloomy wedge]

They’re not

[loud musk]

which you want for this fight

[gloomy wedge]

I’d say balloons are way better than wings, even in early hm in terms of mobility, just that angel wings give such good stats you have no reason to not use them

[loud musk]

for dodging the fast lasers

[scarlet shadow]

wings dont get better til MOAB (which is a BoHB upgrade)

[lunar parcel]

well ig the grind for the balloon bundle starts

[loud musk]

i use bundle until post plantera in vanilla

:3c

[gloomy wedge]

I don’t use bundle in vanilla

But I would if I could

[scarlet shadow]

is that referring to the fact that you dont play vanilla anymore or

[gloomy wedge]

Kinda but also 3 balloons is a lot for crates

[lunar parcel]

do i go for warding or menacing

or violent

[gloomy wedge]

Always warding

[scarlet shadow]

full lucky

[gloomy wedge]

If you want to have a good build, warding is always the best option

[scarlet shadow]

dont let the warding propaganda get to you brotha

[gloomy wedge]

Unless you’re doing some hyperoptimized stealth stuff then ig there’s a good argument for lucky there

[dense ocean]

I use silent to attack more often.

[scarlet shadow]

rogue? full silent

full menacing for summoner

[gloomy wedge]

Wouldn’t you go like 3 silent 4 lucky

[lunar parcel]

fuck it, full warding it is

am already at 66 def

[scarlet shadow]

at most 5 lucky pumped into Dreamtastic which is like post-Yharon

[lunar parcel]

wasn't so hard

oh we ready all right

[keen void]

nice beat the twins

[obsidian depot]

When i see the blackhole thru solyns telescope, am I supposed to be frozen

[spare summit]

My objectively correct infernum tier list I will not be taking criticisms on this
Pretend Noxus is avatar of emptiness

[obsidian depot]

Anyone help me

[scarlet shadow]

separate creation from the creator (exo mechs)

[obsidian depot]

I don't know what to do

[lunar parcel]

holy it actually worked

[spare summit]

I would but the tier list won’t let me
I wish I could put ares in bad, Thanatos and twins in whatever

[gloomy wedge]

Which template is this

[lunar parcel]

ig having 84 defense pre hardmode wasn the plan

[spare summit]

https://tiermaker.com/create/fg4weg4ewgfte3rwgr543wegr3eghr-15633791

Oh boobs

I didn’t know it’d do that

[keen void]

This with deep sea staff and firecracker good for cryogen? (inf, 2 mech boss)

[keen void]

imo as is in like c tier, i think the boss fight sucks donkey dick, and u gotta do it underwater

[gloomy wedge]

Yharon and Exos realistically should not be this low

[spare summit]

Based aside from dog fuck that guy

[gloomy wedge]

But my disappointment is immeasurable

[heavy moat]

It's a great thing that we're allowed to have differing opinions

[gloomy wedge]

Personally I thought about putting AS in S

[steep yarrow]

is this like a difficulty tier or how tasty they would be

[gloomy wedge]

But top of A seems more fitting

[keen void]

ye ik its crazy right

[spare summit]

Fun tier list

[gloomy wedge]

Incredibly creative and fitting fight

[steep yarrow]

ah alr

someone needs to make a tierlist on how tasty the bosses would be

[spare summit]

Scourge is good I think

[gloomy wedge]

The only real issue I have is that water physics are disabled

[spare summit]

Idk how you can make a fun boss with water physics

[gloomy wedge]

I think water physics in that fight like with banished baron (with adjustments made obviously) would make it incredible

[spare summit]

Giant clam is giant clam and then they’re like “actually this sucks let’s disable them for aew and scourge”

[heavy moat]

The main thing I have with AS is the tornado tbh

[keen void]

that is what makes it a c and the underwater shit imo

[heavy moat]

As for water physics, I internally determined that the amount of people who'd complain about the fight would've been greater if the water physics was enabled than disabled, and I still stand by that decision

[keen void]

well most ppl use deep diver at that point

[spare summit]

Deep diver for aew is crazy

[heavy moat]

I do not agree with forcing arbitrary, not immediately clear requirements on a boss fight for it to be enjoyable

[keen void]

wiki

[gloomy wedge]

I think disabling water physics for aew is like, fine ig? I think for a fight that late in the game you kinda need your full movement

[keen void]

are we talkin about the same boss?

[spare summit]

Having to get an ultra specific tip from the wiki just to make the boss fun doesn’t seem like a good idea to me

[gloomy wedge]

I mean yeah

The floaty water physics wouldn’t really work when you need very precise movement for some attacks

It’s an easy boss but that doesn’t make it any less important to have precise movement

AS I feel is more open to water physics being in the fight

[spare summit]

If I had to do the aew spiral move with water physics the boss might go straight to bad tier

[gloomy wedge]

Like obviously it would require some reworks

[spare summit]

The rest of it would probably be fine actually

[gloomy wedge]

Doesn’t this only happen in phase 3 anyways

[keen void]

this is what i mean, some attacks would be very hard to dodge in water physics

[gloomy wedge]

No wait aew

[spare summit]

No

[gloomy wedge]

I thought it was the as one

Yeah aew spiral with water would be horrible

[spare summit]

Antigravity hook might be a requirement

[heavy moat]

It's not really even about attack response that I worry about with water physics (but that is a part of it)
It's general gameplay feel
Your movement is less responsive in water by default. It puts a damper on your clean ability to react in the moment
You can design around that, but it's not really smth I personally would enjoy fighting against vewwy much tbh

[gloomy wedge]

That’s fair

[keen void]

very necessary vewwy

lol

[heavy moat]

[grizzled onyx]

why do you hate OD so much

although i can agree that od is a mid at best boss

[little steppe]

lucille hates od so much that she made od just die instantly in her most recent work

[gloomy wedge]

I mean there’s a reason why he gets got by The Fog. during wotg

[little steppe]

🔥

[grizzled onyx]

i still find it strange (albeit extremely hilarious) that you sat down and coded the Avatar to instakill it

[somber saddle]

wtf? AoE just opend a rift and fucking insta killed Old Duke. That supposed to happen?

[spare summit]

Can you make avatar instakill dog instead

[little steppe]

or one of her most recent works

[gloomy wedge]

No I did that

[spare summit]

👌

[gloomy wedge]

My bad

It was very tasty tho

[little steppe]

see od is an optional boss dog is mandatory

[grizzled onyx]

nah
dog would bite Avatar's hand like a bad dog

[little steppe]

od is morally correct

[spare summit]

That’s why I hate it

Although I fight all the boss regardless of if they’re optional

[little steppe]

you cant just undo a mandatory boss

[heavy moat]

It's the principle and what it stands for moreso than the execution, but I think Infernum has a really, really jarring meshing between the crazy predictive dashes and various projectiles he shoots. I think it's overly oppressive and overbearing. Some people like it for reasons similar to Infernum DoG, and I respect those opinions, but I don't really agree

Fargos DLC does it a lot more elegantly imo

[somber saddle]

Also great, Lucille is here and I can't for the life of me remember what I wanted to ask you back when I tossed you a friend request on Steam

[gloomy wedge]

Yeah I think the sheer speed of the dashes is what kills it for me

[heavy moat]

I dun really check those ngl

[gloomy wedge]

I genuinely do not know if you can actually consistently ram old duke in his final phase

And ramming is the only way to dodge it unless you take a couple seconds to let wing acceleration build up

[spare summit]

The humble teleporter

[gloomy wedge]

He has like 2 attacks outside of those dashes

And that’s it

[spare summit]

[somber saddle]

Yeah with a number like that I can't blame ya. Think I wanted to show you a piece of art I commissioned? Not sure tbh

[spare summit]

Your banner?

[somber saddle]

Nah, I didn't commission that, found that randomly

[scarlet shadow]

genuenly not

[somber saddle]

Was either that or I was gonna ask him to make a Wallpaper of ND for Wallpaper Engine. Wish I could remember

[spare summit]

Is avatar instakilling old duke a new change?
Didn’t happen the last 2 times I played infernum and wotg

[heavy moat]

It doesn't happen in Infernum due to AI conflicts

[gloomy wedge]

I think there’s some weird stuff with Infernum that makes the instakill not happen consistently

[scarlet shadow]

[somber saddle]

But it's very much intentional?

[scarlet shadow]

what instakill

[spare summit]

Idk how a fancy animation where avatar shows up and grabs him can be unintentional lol

[heavy moat]

Yes, the instakill is intentional
But it's only supposed to happen once, so that people that genuinely enjoy the fight can do it without interruption afterwards

[somber saddle]

Look man I just saw it for the first time and was completely suprised xd

[spare summit]

All 3 of them

[somber saddle]

Why'd you put that in tho? You just hate Old Duke?

[gloomy wedge]

More mods should do that honestly

[heavy moat]

I used to dislike OD a lot more vehemently in the past
But also I found the idea of the rift leaving the sky to kill him and then go back to be hilarious

[little steppe]

aoe hates old people

[somber saddle]

Fair, didn't even notice the Rift dissapearing from the background

[rotund wind]

thats

ironic

[gloomy wedge]

When I make a mod expect it to have the final boss deleting Skeletron Prime from the game

[little steppe]

wdym aoe is sitting at the young age of 33752489524

[rotund wind]

poor guy

[heavy moat]

Celebrating my 10^174th birthday with the gang

[thin canyon]

[little steppe]

see aoe just wanted to invite us to their birthday party

[somber saddle]

[smoky dock]

🎉

happy

[somber saddle]

Actually @heavy moat I rememberd what I was gonna ask. How'd you come up with the idea for the WotG mod? Like how'd it all start?

[thick bronze]

I got 100% in solyns bookcase, is there anything else i must do or that should happen upon me getting all those

[spare summit]

After you beat nameless use the terminus again and go back

[somber saddle]

There's only the letter from her IIRC

[thick bronze]

Okay will do thanks

[undone oak]

objectively my tier list didnt change that much

never liked nameless, idk how it got changed and dont care to look into it

[limber sage]

prov is horseshit?

[undone oak]

yes

because she is

[limber sage]

oh, wait, yopu don't like any choreographed fights.

[undone oak]

polter and astrageldon is worse thou

[limber sage]

the fuck

do you like random bullshit more than orderly fashion?

[undone oak]

probably should out down nighttime providence near old duke tbh

[undone oak]

idc for looks if boss is mechanically bad

[limber sage]

I have a question

[hearty solstice]

never rank again

[limber sage]

is dancing bad

legit question

is dancing bad

or music

[spare summit]

Telegraphs exist to make a boss less mechanically bad

[undone oak]

thats why nameless for me was bad. Sure looks kino but some attacks where just bad

[undone oak]

where is this one even come from

[limber sage]

providence, EoL, and geldon are all essentially dancing with the boss

[undone oak]

EoL is fine but her opening attack r bullshit

so learning her is just annoying

[spare summit]

Fly ina direction horizonally and go up just enough to go over the sword walls and you’ll dodge it every time

[limber sage]

DoG is actually extremely similar, to those 3 too

[spare summit]

Idk how that’s bs

[limber sage]

come to think of it

at least infernum is

he is also a sort fo dance

[undone oak]

dog is much better than the rest

[limber sage]

but how? the fight's play the same

memorize patterns, and dance with the boss

that's it

skeletron does the same

I'm just confused

[spare summit]

If those 3 are dancing, dog is dancing but it intentionally tries to trip you and make you fall because it’s an asshole

[undone oak]

As i said, EoL is fine but opening attack is unintuitive shit

which just farms deaths

[limber sage]

yeah, that's true. he's a dick

[spare summit]

No I mean gameplay wise

Lore wise too

But still

[limber sage]

but then, what's so awful about geldon? or prov?

I agree with the guardians being horseshit tho

[undone oak]

DoG is very much fair. U intuitively understant what u need to do and deaths feel like much more than u fucking up

[acoustic lava]

AAA

[limber sage]

mostly cuz of phase 1 flappybird

[acoustic lava]

Calamity fables change the bosses items?

[limber sage]

calamity fables should not be played with calamity

it is NOT an addon

and even the devs don't suggest it, or even recommend it

[spare summit]

What’s wrong with it

[limber sage]

flappybird sucks ass

[undone oak]

geldon is just a bloat of stats with cheap damage cap, some attacks just dont care where player is and u boss literally can shoot point blank and not getting hit there is up to luch

[spare summit]

It’s really easy and kinda fun with the starboard

If you’re using lunar wings I could see why

[limber sage]

there is 0 luck about it

[dim aurora]

why does it even exist?

[limber sage]

for geldon

literally 0

[spare summit]

Because it’s fun

[limber sage]

every attack is the exact same

[dim aurora]

how is pbg good btw

[undone oak]

so in short, geldon is - stats bloat, cheap damage cap, bad attacks

[limber sage]

for every fight

[dim aurora]

its shit

[undone oak]

for attacks specifically without vod showing what is wrong is hard

[limber sage]

the damage cap isn't cheap

[undone oak]

it is

[limber sage]

it's there to let you experience the full fight

[undone oak]

its the cheapest form of balancing out

[limber sage]

that way you don't just, kill it in 1 minute and breeze through the SUPERBOSS

[spare summit]

Skissue

I hate that word

[limber sage]

let me ask you something realquick

[spare summit]

But Geldon is the most fair boss

[limber sage]

have you ever played kingdom hearts

the first one

[gloomy wedge]

Geldon is very fair, in phase 2

[undone oak]

so u think killing any diversity in builds on bloated with stats boss is worth it so u can see all the attacks (half of which btw have their own issues)

[limber sage]

Or final fantasy 7, on the ps1 (idk if the remakes had the super bosses)

[gloomy wedge]

I think some of the phase 1 attacks are kinda bullshit

[limber sage]

phase 1 geldon sucks

[spare summit]

I forgot phase 1 even exists honestly

[limber sage]

I don't like

phase 2 is peak

[undone oak]

i didnt

[spare summit]

Yeah it’s not very good

Phase 1

[gloomy wedge]

You don’t kill diversity lol

[limber sage]

"bloated stats" is a extremely common and used tactic for raid bosses, super bosses, hidden bosses, etc

[gloomy wedge]

I’ve done geldon with both full menacing and full warding

[limber sage]

in a huge majority of games

do you just, hate all of them?

[gloomy wedge]

I used hote on my most recent clear with ranger

[limber sage]

do you hate radahn in elden ring?

[gloomy wedge]

Yes next question

[limber sage]

lmao

[undone oak]

so because theres a bunch of shit in other games, its fine to put more of it instead of balancing out a single boss of the mod

[spare summit]

Radahn is way more fun if you don’t use the summons

[limber sage]

You don't understand the point behind these 'stat bloats' of the bosses

that's the problem

[undone oak]

theres no reason to play glasscannon or just damage focused build because ur dps is capped anyway

and damage cap just might be really bad for stealth rogue

[gloomy wedge]

There’s no reason to play glass cannon builds in normal terraria either btw

[spare summit]

There’s no reason to play tank when fighting dog and you put it in peak

[limber sage]

How are you gonna 'balance' a SUPERBOSS anyways? Their stats are supposed to be extremely high, otherwise, they'd just be...a boss

they'd be no different

what's the difference between EoC and a demon eye?

[spare summit]

Ehh
Harder to dodge attacks?

[limber sage]

stats are a huge part of it

[undone oak]

0/10 ragebait

[gloomy wedge]

People be calling anything ragebait now bruh

You wanna see some REAL ragebait

[spare summit]

Geldon didn’t really feel super, I beat it in 2 tries

[undone oak]

well that depends if u make a bosses attacks fair, not just a death farm like geldon is

[spare summit]

Idk where you’re getting stat bloat from

[limber sage]

geldon isn't even a death farm what

that is literally a skill issue

skill/learning issue

[undone oak]

ok u dont understand anything in game design

actual waste of time speaking to you

[limber sage]

I could say the same, since you think attacks that are unchanging is a death farm

[dense eagle]

Yall talking about astralgedon?

[limber sage]

yes

[dense eagle]

Its all about learning the patterns bruh

[limber sage]

apparently geldon is a shitty death farm

[spare summit]

Not knowing how to dodge an attack and the attack being bad are 2 separate things

In case you weren’t aware

[limber sage]

with nothing good about it

[dense eagle]

The attacks are fine

[gloomy wedge]

What actually makes a bad attack anyways

Like we all know it

But we don’t know it yk

[limber sage]

gfb ravager lasers

is bad

[dense eagle]

Unreactable projectals without a telegraph

[limber sage]

yes, ravager lasers

[spare summit]

It’s inconsistent if you can dodge it
It’s extremely unintuitive to figure out
Too much randomness
Unreactable
Dependent on things like your build (pbg’s shitty drones being a dps check)

[dense eagle]

Ye, infernum drone attack is pretty shit

[limber sage]

while I personally hate dps checks, sometimes it kinda makes sense

like fatalis quest in mhw

cuz, y'know, the ultimate calamity

but dps checks in terraria feel off

[dense eagle]

Ye

[limber sage]

thankfully, I think only inf pbg drones is the only instance?

well

[spare summit]

Ceaseless void glorpy thingies

[limber sage]

and the night time only bosses

or daytime only

[dense eagle]

The ceaslss void balls?

[spare summit]

Yeah

[limber sage]

I don't see those as dps checks

[spare summit]

In base cal they are

[dense eagle]

You still can dodge them unlike the drones

[balmy mason]

why Wrath of the Machines Exo Mechs keep doing the Mecha Mayhem at the start of the fight?

[dense eagle]

The drones force you to take dmg

Balls dont

Its just harder

To dodge

Still cancer

[gloomy wedge]

I’ll maintain that Alatreon is better tbh

[limber sage]

if it wasn't an elemental dps check, I'd agree

but I'm a hbg main so

fuck that thing

[gloomy wedge]

I love the elemental DPS check

I’m a swaxe one trick and it was really fun coming up with a build for it

Got a full silverlos set just for that fight

[keen raptor]

any addon dlc that compatible with multiplayer

[acoustic tapir]

fuck these things i cant kill them in time

[limber sage]

yeah...

that attack is a dps check

and it's awful

there's another later in the fight too

[spare summit]

We were just talking about that lol

[limber sage]

yup

[acoustic tapir]

yes the bomb

they have 3000 hp

[spare summit]

You gotta get a weapon that can shred them or save your rage

[gloomy wedge]

What class

[acoustic tapir]

on ranger

im using eternal blizzard

[limber sage]

you got the actual recommended gear for the fight, i almost never see that, damn

[gloomy wedge]

Use snowman cannon

[gloomy wedge]

Has to grind out some safi gear too

[limber sage]

yeah

[gloomy wedge]

Ik I could’ve just used frostfang

But it felt way more satisfying

[gloomy wedge]

Arc nova diffuser is good for plaguebringer itself

[limber sage]

the charged shot right?

not the rapid fire one? Or maybe I'm just bad with rapid fire

[spare summit]

I prefer half charged but I can’t aim

It goes through blocks but full charge doesn’t for some reason

[gloomy wedge]

Charged shot

The rapid fire is cringe

[limber sage]

thought so

[dense ocean]

My arms dealer just randomly died, this Infernum difficulty is getting out of hand.

[balmy mason]

hmmm looks like no one knows the culprit the cause the WotM Exo Mechs to begins every fight with Mecha Mayhem until 1 of the Mechs reaches last phase health

fine I guess I'll just do Mecha Mayhem 80% of the fight then 🫠

[acoustic tapir]

its trash 🥀

[elder nebula]

fucking

what

post loadout

[acoustic tapir]

[gloomy wedge]

Loadout

[acoustic tapir]

dw about it

[elder nebula]

3/10 ragebait

[acoustic tapir]

ok i did it im the goat

[keen void]

do i get daedalus golem staff for destroyer?

[elder nebula]

no it's garbage

use blade staff or ancient ice chunk

[keen void]

ok so i just stick with deepsea

[elder nebula]

or that yea

[keen void]

so i got this rn for destroyer

firecracker, rod, deepsea

[elder nebula]

you could get angel wings

[keen void]

but otherwise good?

[elder nebula]

idk about the armor but i also don't know everything about summoner

[keen void]

aight

[limber sage]

daedalus is better than spider

and the right option for summ

summoner and rogue both use daedalus as an upgrade

[polar mango]

I feel like infernum yharons fight isn’t long enough, can barely even get to the good part of the song 😔

[frigid sail]

do any of u guys know if wotm is multiplayer compatible cause i sure fucking dont

[humble marlin]

its not :<

[frigid sail]

oh well

[limber sage]

wait

wrath of the machines isn't?

[limber sage]

WotG isn't compatible with multi, but I'm sure WotM should be, no?

there's nothing saying that it's not compatible on the page

[humble marlin]

WoTM's fight is barely doable in mp

not only cuz of the usual tmod multiplayer issues

[limber sage]

worm boss multiplayer

[humble marlin]

it has some others on top of that, game crashes are a real threat

[limber sage]

really

huh

[polar mango]

What’s wotm

[humble marlin]

wrath of the machines

[polar mango]

What’s it do

[humble marlin]

lucille's take on the exo mechs fight

soon to be (if it isnt already) in eternity mode dlc

[limber sage]

it was in eternity mod originally

eternity mode ya

then the standalone was made after

[polar mango]

Mk

[glad vault]

devourer ate my ass 😔 , was not expecting him to be the first infernum boss to do so. he even got a world record 1-2 second kill on me

nothing will top me summoning him and the very next second getting folded

[terse slate]

What would you guys say is the average amount of att on infernum DOG?

[scarlet shadow]

🥳

[scarlet shadow]

50-300

[spare summit]

Anything under 200 is considered good

[terse slate]

415 💀 havent beaten it

[polar mango]

Lmao

[spare summit]

It also took me over 400

[polar mango]

The first dog fight is fire

[glad vault]

well i dunno how many is normal but this was mine

[polar mango]

I got it in like 80

WHICH WAS ONLY 5 MORE THAN FRICJING SIGNUS BRO

[terse slate]

Dont play summoner

[polar mango]

I hate Signus

[spare summit]

Signus is free if you magic mirror to your overworld arena

Fly up and down and win

[polar mango]

I did that

But for some reason im just ass at fighting him

[spare summit]

I’m ass at dog so idk
Different things trip up different people ig

[glad vault]

huh, speaking of the envoys, because ceaseless void + solyn questline are buggy it appears ive somehow fought ceaseless this many times xd

was wondering what the constant spam of "cealess void is no longer after you" would have as a consequence

[spare summit]

I have 8000 attempts on ceaseless void

Surely the hardest boss in the mod

[glad vault]

did the same bug happen

[spare summit]

Yeah

[glad vault]

i will say, thank god they changed ceaseless entirely

[spare summit]

Except I afked there

[glad vault]

hes so much more fun in infernum

[limber fable]

i beat the big chicken!! :D

my first time beating yharon on infernum too, on attempt 38

[woven rune]

what rogue weapon do i use for infernum polter

feel like I have jack shit for (good) homing weapons

[spare summit]

Profaned partisan stealth
Not homing but the best dps

[woven rune]

figured yeah

[spare summit]

If you need homing the cosmic kunai stealth is fine? I think?

[woven rune]

it homes?

[spare summit]

It spawns little orb things that home

[woven rune]

oh it does

interesting

kinda hard to only use half a stealth charge for it though

[fast nacelle]

Calamity addon talk

[woven rune]

profaned partisan worked great yeah

annoying as hell to hit him during some attacks but its fine

[calm dagger]

Infernum too hard

[acoustic lava]

The scruge desert is fkn haaard!!!

[calm dagger]

Why'd they make the void impossoble

[woven rune]

probably ur loadout thats bad

Infernum generally isn't too hard if your gear is solid unless you're nohitting imo

cause survivability builds let you basically ignore like 80% of boss attacks as long as you're not getting hit that often

[scarlet shadow]

any changes that i should do to my loadout?

[elder nebula]

wings of rebirth

[woven rune]

bro what the hell is wrong with the Dreamtastic

I get that dummy testing is bad but the DPS on this thing looks absolutely insane and it homes too 😭

[chrome wing]

I've been playing the Calamity mod for years now and have done nearly everything except for summoner
I wanna try out a summoner run but I can't get past mechs without getting a little bored of the mods earlygame

Just wondering if anyone can rec some cool addons to refresh the games pacing and style

[woven rune]

Prisma's Pristine Potions speeds up progression bigtime

NPCs immediately move on and they sell potions, accessories (even Calamity ones) and materials depending on what stage of the game you're in

[chrome wing]

noted

difficulty's even become a little too easy even with the hardest mods available

summoner in general is kindof a slog until the lategame I've heard

apparently worth it for the cool shit you get

[limber sage]

what summons are you using

[woven rune]

I mean yeah Calamity generally isn't that hard especially when you've gotten a couple runs under your belt

[limber sage]

unless you're using like, tons of 1 slot count minions, angelic alliance isn't super good

[woven rune]

If you need more of a (fun) challenge I'd recommend Infernum if you haven't already tried it

[chrome wing]

I have unfortunately tried it

thanks though

[woven rune]

Damn

[limber sage]

summoner is only kind of a slog pre evil1

but after it just kinda facerolls

[chrome wing]

calamity just kinda rolls everything else I can find on here
I checked out thorium after not having played it for maybe 3-4 years and it doesn't seem like it's added much since then

kinda my fault
you can definitely play too much of a game and I've definitely played too much terraria

[limber sage]

I can suggest a couple mods, but they're mods that are best played without other content mods

[chrome wing]

I'm open to hearing them

[limber sage]

or rather, 1 is just not meant for other content

so, Secrets of the Shadows is honestly really fun

it's one of my personal favs

however, Story of Red Cloud is absolutely amazing

it's an adventure rpg type mod

with it's own premade map, and it's nothing like normal terraria

there's no digging or all that much crafting of gear

it's literally an adventure game

[chrome wing]

that sounds pretty cool
I always wanted that rpg feel cause I used to play on a lot of very old terraria community servers

[limber sage]

and it has prehm, hm, and super hm

it even has some super cool mechanics like curses that provide huge buffs but also huge debuffs

it's like uh, a full on dark souls mod

[chrome wing]

you think I should try secrets or red cloud?

[limber sage]

Secrets is fun for a more power trip feel

[uncut ocean]

oh my fucking god spazmatism's desperation phase is the most bullshit thing in all of infernum

not only does he accelerate faster than the player in his spinning phase, but he sends out lasers that restrict both horizontal AND vertical movement, so you cant even do things like slimy saddle or spam dash out of it

am i missing something because this phase feels completely unfair

[smoky dock]

dw retinazer is worse

[limber sage]

red cloud is best for exploration, adventure, and just, dark souls style

[smoky dock]

what’s your mobility setup right now?

[woven rune]

Retinazer desperation phase is horseshit

[limber sage]

fuck retinazer desp

[chrome wing]

Hmm.. I like Dark Souls..
I've taken your thoughts into consideration and will be playing Red Cloud

Thanks

[uncut ocean]

fairy wings + lightning boots

[smoky dock]

retinazer is AWFUL

[uncut ocean]

and swiftness potiojn

[chrome wing]

I imagine I play red cloud completely solo w/ no other mods right

[uncut ocean]

and shield of cthulhu

[smoky dock]

Did you beat mech1

[woven rune]

I love how when you kill him during his laser attack it automatically locks onto your player and its completely unavoidable and can fucking KILL you while he's dying because you're getting repeatedly tagged by a deathray that you literally cannot avoid

[limber sage]

make sure that you play on the normal map when you go to create a new world, don't use remix first

they also have a discord

[uncut ocean]

well i have now, but mech1 happened to be the twins

[smoky dock]

Ah

[uncut ocean]

i only won because i tanked unavoidable damage

[smoky dock]

Well if you’d beaten something else then you could have upgraded to Bee, Bat, Harpy, Flame, or Jetpack

[uncut ocean]

i see

[smoky dock]

I’ve heard Harpy Wings w/ boomts and Harpy Ring has incredible horizontal speed but I’ve never confirmed that

Jetpack has a potent boost function

The others are generic 7.50 wings for funsies

[limber sage]

why harpy wings specifically?

[woven rune]

good for SCal?

[elder nebula]

synergizes with ring

[elder nebula]

yuh

[smoky dock]

looks standard

[limber sage]

wouldn't uh

[woven rune]

standard good or standard bad

[opal wagon]

Calamitas just showed up and planted this - why?

[limber sage]

amalgam over ram dash be better

[woven rune]

i feel like this is solid

[limber sage]

for scal

[woven rune]

wouldnt two dodges conflict

[elder nebula]

hype momen and aura

[limber sage]

oh wait, yeah, rogue

huh...

[smoky dock]

To pay respects

Guilt

[woven rune]

F in the chat

[limber sage]

I'd personally use radiance over ram dash for scal

but that's me

or maybe even one of the gloves

[woven rune]

yeah I was kinda wondering where to put Radiance since I have it in basically all of my builds

[limber sage]

reckless/precision

[woven rune]

Weird not having kb immunity but if I'm getting hit to begin with I'm already probably cooked

[limber sage]

ram dash just has like, no real use in scal fight

[smoky dock]

yeah more or less

[woven rune]

is Dreamtastic my best option for SCal or is Supernova better

Got Celestus for the worm and Atom Splitter for single target DPS if I can aim as well ig

[limber sage]

supernova is best for seekers and sepulcher

atom splitter for scal

I'm unsure of dreamtastic, as I refused to use what is essentially a mage weapon

[woven rune]

what about homing for SCal herself

[woven rune]

real

mage weapon w/o mana lmao

[limber sage]

why do you need homing?

[woven rune]

because I'm focused on dodging more than aiming at SCal lmao

[limber sage]

I'm basically a storm trooper and I still beat scal really fast with atmosplitter

I've missed providence plenty of times with my stealth strikes

yes, I'm that bad

[calm dagger]

Why can't I break the walls in the voids room

[scarlet shadow]

Profaned Soul Crystal with Endogenesis and Lilies of Finality

Flamsteed Ring lasers as primary weapon

[limber sage]

wait

you use summons, with the soul crystal equipped

that's not great, and alliance is awful with endogenesis

alliance only really pairs well with vigilance + a few mechworms

[spare summit]

This is maybe a stupid question but how do you break the rope sets from wotg

I swear they’re invincible

[limber sage]

the more minions that are out (not slots used), the better angelic alliance is

[scarlet shadow]

i get the empowerements even with minions though

like the crystal whip

[limber sage]

but it's extremely reduced in power

like

horrifically

rogue weapon + profaned artifact + no summons = stupidly high dps with homing

with minions, it's 1 'line' of crystals, without, it's 3 plus ring bursts every rotation

it's crazy how much of a diff it is

[scarlet shadow]

i do get more dps without minions but rogue doesnt work with Flamsteed Ring

[limber sage]

you shouldn't use flamsteed with that artifact anyways

end game summoner is like, 4 choices for builds

no minion + profaned artifact, vigilance + angelic alliance, flamesteed + tophat + ares/endo, normal style summoner using whips and ares/endo + tophat

[scarlet shadow]

i get over 460k dps with flamsteed and crystal though

i even pulled off bout 530k but not sure how, tryna find that build again

[limber sage]

does it like, bug out flamsteed, and let you use both crystal and flamsteed attacks at once?

cuz, I don't think that should be intentional

[scarlet shadow]

oh nvm up to 600k

i attack once with crystal whip and then switch to flamsteed-supported weapon

[dense inlet]

anyone know if theres a mod to replace adrelalin with nanomachines without draedons heart

[scarlet shadow]

nope just flamsteed attacks (if we exclude passive attacks from crystal's guardians)

[limber sage]

oh, so...wow, you make it very tedious

[elder nebula]

yes