calamity-addon-talk

[spare summit]

One boss compared to how many others
Eventually I hope the base cal reworks are equal to if not better than infernum but that’s so many years out

[patent girder]

probably still playable just only 1.4.4 right?

[fiery mango]

Bountful Harvest did something to the fight

[nimble wing]

the oldest of the infernum bosses probably won't be hard to beat icl

[solar badger]

was infernum the one that added the giant forsaken archive arena thing or was that calamity

[fading dove]

thats basecal

infernum just chains ceaseless up in there

[plush frigate]

This space lobby adds the Wrath of the Gods expasion

[nimble wing]

even more of a problem than big redesigns will be big retiers

[floral egret]

Ah Thats nice, tnx for the help

[plush frigate]

From the developer Infernum

[solar badger]

did they ever fix the "dungeon biome" layering on it because last time I played you could just dig inside pre boss and get sun fury pre boss

[nimble wing]

you can't just make infernum dragonfolly pre-skeletron

[solar badger]

because itd always have a shadow key inside

[orchid fractal]

I hate that infernum dog’s laser patterns are completely rng dependent; I literally can’t dodge the grid variation because it attacks my framerate directly

[fading dove]

i think thats more bosses having boss zen

[solar badger]

nah like dungeon guardians wouldnt jump you

[nimble wing]

oh guh

[plush frigate]

In terms of lasers, it is even lighter than the classic one.

[nimble wing]

chained cv should probably be a separate entity that copies its sprite, huh

[spare summit]

I like skeletron tbh

[fading dove]

yeah inf makes the archives suck ass for farming if you aren't willing to kill ceaseless before doing so

[nimble wing]

no by old i mean like

yharon

[patent girder]

i cant wait for better basecal bosses

[spare summit]

I played infernum first when it was prehardmode only

I thought yharon was one of the last

[orchid fractal]

I literally have to pray to rnjesus to win

[nimble wing]

i absolutely cannot wait for a calamity boss to truly just be Good for the first time

[orchid fractal]

The grid lag is unplayable

[nimble wing]

tobias/ennway DS save us

[patent girder]

real

[solar badger]

wdym good

[patent girder]

quality

[plush frigate]

I started playing for the first time with Infernum on the master, and it was painful, ~100 attempts on DOG and Yharon

[patent girder]

thats not bad

pretty good

[nimble wing]

that's a great dog number especially for being on master

[patent girder]

yeah fr

[solar badger]

you sound like someone who likes pain you should try low% calamity

its very funny moon lord straight into DoG

[plush frigate]

No thanks, I've had enough, especially since I don't have much time for this right now.

[solar badger]

that is absolutely the correct decision

[wispy topaz]

masochist needs to be master right

[patent girder]

think so

[lyric kiln]

Hmm, after reviewing the Enchantments more, I'm pretty sure unless I allow 'swinging a tool to trigger on-swing enchantments', a Weaponless run of EDeath is just going to end up being functionally Summoner

[plush frigate]

Now I can easily kill both of them in a few tries on this difficulty, and then Kalamitas beats me up.

[lyric kiln]

except without most of the actual summons

[nimble wing]

with a proper amount of thought put into its character design and fight design

[plush frigate]

I decided to make the mod difficult to play for fun, and if I want more difficulty, I'll just increase the health of the bosses in the configuration.

[solar badger]

by that metric I feel the DoG should be made "good" last

[nimble wing]

also balanced such that it can be both hard and fun

(depending on the difficulty ofc)

[lyric kiln]

the honestly well-designed Calamity bosses start at post-ML, honestly

well

PBG is pretty good

it's broadly just Queen Bee AI, but it does some interesting things with it

[nimble wing]

having not played 2.0.4, i'm gonna let someone else debate that

[lyric kiln]

but yeah, Providence is good, DoG is good, Exo is... a bit chaotic, and a bit all over the place

and new Calamitas is alright, though I do have some bones to pick with the so-called "Bullet Hell Phase"

[plush frigate]

In my opinion, the queen bee and the plague bringer are some of the easiest

[nimble wing]

the entire calamity team hates dog enough that he's getting a temporary rework next update

[lyric kiln]

really? Wack, I always thought it was one of the best designed fights

[polar bolt]

can i have wrath of the machinese and infernum

and fargos souls

[lyric kiln]

but yeah, "difficulty" and well deisgnedness of a boss are two completely different things, and honestly if anything a poorly designed boss fight is often going to be annoyingly difficult

[polar bolt]

i have no idea what im doign

[plush frigate]

Well, the mutant from Fargos can also be said to be one of the best designs.

[lyric kiln]

and a well designed boss fight doesn't have to be punishingly hard

like, you know what's honestly a really well designed boss fight?

[nimble wing]

never use more than one mod that reworks the same bosses at a time

[lyric kiln]

The Grand Thunder Bird, aka the first boss fight of Thorium

[plush frigate]

I tried, and no, it's impossible, because the wrath of the machines interrupts the infernum

[nimble wing]

i actually did like grand thunderbird well enough

[lyric kiln]

no, Infernum explicitly does not work with Fargo's Soul mod

[nimble wing]

but the Terraria Early-Game Depression hit immediately after i killed it so i wiped the playthrough

[gloomy wedge]

ccr is somehow the best and worst mod i have ever played and i havent even beaten desert scourge

[lyric kiln]

Fargo's Soul mod has compatibility specifically with base Calamity and Wrath of the Gods and nothing else

[nimble wing]

i should play remix one of these days

[polar bolt]

thats unfortunate

[plush frigate]

If it's about Infernum and Fargos, you'll have to switch between them.

[polar bolt]

i wanted to fight the exo mechs

[gloomy wedge]

i'd recommend playing it with as many addons as possible

[lyric kiln]

I mean, you can

[nimble wing]

does remix work with boss checklist lite

[gloomy wedge]

for the full crackhead experience

it does

[lyric kiln]

Exo Mechs is base calamity

[polar bolt]

well WoTM

that ones so cool

[gloomy wedge]

heres every boss before eye of cthulhu

[nimble wing]

but remix is intentionally absurd and some other addons are unintentionally absurd

[lyric kiln]

but yeah, Grand Thunder Bird isn't a super difficult boss fight, it's literally the introductory boss of the mod

but it's just really well made as a design

[nimble wing]

i only want the intentionally absurd parts

[polar bolt]

im only getting 120fps

is that normal

[solar badger]

who invited the chocobos from final fantasy

[lyric kiln]

Legend of Zelda bosses are often very well designed, but they're also not particularly difficult, intentionally so

there can be boss fights that are well designed because of their challenge, in that they pressure the player to figure out the boss fight and make good decisions quickly

[gloomy wedge]

the final fantasy x calamity mod

[lyric kiln]

but that's not the only thing that makes a boss fight good

[gloomy wedge]

also in there with other mods like calamity waifu pack and the do nothing addon

[nimble wing]

well i'm not arguing easy bosses can't be good

i love Colgera and Scarabeus

[lyric kiln]

anyways, DoG in my opinion is a well-designed fight, because it's predictable, it's maneuverable around, it's challenging, but at the same time it doesn't require anything crazy to win, just maintaining a cool head and understanding the nature of the fight.

[gloomy wedge]

exos is maybe the fight i am most confused on

both in infernum and basecal

like how the fuck do i even talk about them

if you dont know what to do against basecal exos? yeah youre dead

if you do know what to do? man i love holding one direction

[nimble wing]

base exos are either absolutely incomprehensible or absolutely free

there is no in between

[gloomy wedge]

and infernum exos find new and interesting ways to be confusingly bad

[lyric kiln]

yeah Exo is interesting conceptually, but in practice it's just "do you know that you have to fly straight left/right as fast as possible during the three mechs phase?"

[gloomy wedge]

the twins are pretty neat fights

thanatos isnt half bad

and ares literally ruins the entire fight

[nimble wing]

are exos conceptually interesting?

[solar badger]

I keep underestimating how much a good arena can make or break a fight
every single time I get stuck on a boss I cut in half the amount of platform layers I built in half and then proceed to win the next attempt with ease

[gloomy wedge]

so how the fuck do you talk about them

[gloomy wedge]

i think they are

[lyric kiln]

the concept of "fight three bosses that surround you and box you in" isn't a bad one

[solar badger]

they shouldve let the terrarian keep naming them

[lyric kiln]

especially with Ares acting as sort of an "arena"

[gloomy wedge]

the problem with stuff like twins and slime god to me is that the multiple bosses dont really have much synergy i feel

[solar badger]

the destroyer is so much cooler of a name than "x-381932173"

[gloomy wedge]

exos, ideally, would be the answer to that

and although i havent played it, wrath of the machines sound like exactly what exos should be

[nimble wing]

okay i'm not talking about the concept of the fight mechanics

i mean the design

[lyric kiln]

the point is that during Three Mechs phase they need to have properly designed attack patterns for all three at once, not "they all use random attacks, but slightly slower"

[gloomy wedge]

i think ares just fundamentally needs a complete overhaul to how he works

[elder nebula]

destroyer's actual name is HM-03

[dusky ingot]

What does restarting the world after surviving ND do?

[gloomy wedge]

exactly what it says on the tin

it restarts the world

[nimble wing]

draedon could have a far more interesting design for his greatest creation than Vanilla Bosses, Again. especially when that update came right off an update that also added Vanilla Boss, Again

[gloomy wedge]

all your progression is gone, except for your character's

[solar badger]

You see I don't remember this because it's such a terrible name who the hell named these things anyway they're clearly a terrible scientist

[lyric kiln]

Ares is interesting conceptually, the idea of a boss that's literally the border of your screen and sticks hard to the edge of your screen is a fun one, but it's also kind of incompatible with Terraria mechanics and True Melee in particular

[gloomy wedge]

which fight was added before exos, i actually forgot

[nimble wing]

OLD DUKE

[lyric kiln]

but yeah, Old Duke sucks

[gloomy wedge]

right old duke

i forgot about that guy

are there any old duke defenders

like at all

[nimble wing]

ares doesn't do anything with its design

it's just a projectile outlet really

[lyric kiln]

yeah

[elder nebula]

fabsol

[gloomy wedge]

i feel like every other boss has at least a few people defending it

who actually likes regular old duke

[plush frigate]

A very interesting change mechanics is received in a calamity overhaul

[spare summit]

Does anyone like any iteration of old duke

[gloomy wedge]

interesting is one way to describe overhaul

currently playing through it and WHY IS THERE AN AVARITIA CRAFTING GRID

[spare summit]

Scal is the only boss I feel like is up to par in base cal

[solar badger]

how it feels to be an austrum aureus defender:

[nimble wing]

there are a bunch of eternity old duke fans afaik

[gloomy wedge]

WHY IS THERE SO MUCH AVARITIA SHIT IN THIS MOD

[solar badger]

because they copied avaritia

[gloomy wedge]

why would you copy AVARITIA

[nimble wing]

i think her brothers alone are the only base boss that's up to par

[gloomy wedge]

of all the mods

[lyric kiln]

like, a boss that's "The Arena" works, particularly in a multi-entity boss fight. Imagine, if you will, a version of Exo Mechs where Ares isn't so much a boss as a set of stage hazards, an arena in which you fight the other two mechs. And then at the end, after you've beaten the other two, Ares unlocks and you fight him properly.

[plush frigate]

Only final crafts

[gloomy wedge]

like surely thaumcraft or smth would be more fitting for calamity

[solar badger]

they shouldve copied it all the way and included the 9 real life year requirement to get the final set of gear

[lyric kiln]

but yeah

[gloomy wedge]

twilight forest

[plush frigate]

In overhaul

[gloomy wedge]

botania

hell, most tech mods could work as draedon expansions

[lyric kiln]

Exo Mechs in practice is just projectile spam

[solar badger]

fun fact avaritia requires so many materials for a full set of infinity stuff it takes 9 year life years of waiting to gather it all

[gloomy wedge]

but no we choose fuckin avaritia as the one to copy

[gloomy wedge]

it should be noted this never actually happens

[solar badger]

yeah nobody is crazy enough to play avaritia without other mods

[plush frigate]

I hate the destroyer jet with the overhaul

[gloomy wedge]

avaritia is meant to be used as part of a greater pack as a part of the endgame, usually with creative items

so you'll have infinite access to all resources by then if the pack dev is sane

[solar badger]

gregcraft 🥶

[spare summit]

Can we just get rid of exo mechs in favor of an interesting draedon boss

[elder nebula]

please

[nimble wing]

thats what im sayin

[lyric kiln]

no, this is Calamity. Once a shitty boss has been added to the game, it's in forever

[gloomy wedge]

say what you will about the fight, god damn exos look fucking awesome

[elder nebula]

true

[solar badger]

draedon boots of up gregcraft while waiting for you to progress so he can send eater of worlds part 3, eye of cthulhu part 3 and skeletron part 3

[spare summit]

Cirrus

[solar badger]

and it's replacement was aureus so like...

[nimble wing]

calamity has never removed a boss, only replaced

[plush frigate]

Only if we talk about an avaritia, So crafts are relatively more expensive in it than in overhaul

[lyric kiln]

I feel like calling Astralgeldon removed is a bit facetious, it just got renamed and reskinned

[spare summit]

Astrageldon may as well have been removed, all aureus has in common with it is the astral biome

[lyric kiln]

but it's definitely still in the game

[dusky ingot]

Does it unlock something or is there some secret if you beat the game again?

[spare summit]

Funny enough modded astrageldon mogs every base cal boss now

[gloomy wedge]

there is no secret

[solar badger]

im so stupid I kept calling gregtech gregcraft sorry the gregrot is consuming me minecraft doesnt exist only gregcraft

[gloomy wedge]

the only flag that isnt changed is the CATTAIL PLACED flag

[elder nebula]

they're saying the number of bosses in the mod has never decreased

[dusky ingot]

Oh okay

[gloomy wedge]

everything else is reverted

[plush frigate]

And what's cool is that the overhaul adds mechanisms and the like that depend on energy.

[gloomy wedge]

see thats cool in theory

[lyric kiln]

I mean, Aureus is basically just Astralgeldon, in that it's just Slime AI

[gloomy wedge]

the problem is, its in overhaul

[lyric kiln]

with projectiles

[nimble wing]

calamity is not in a PR position to be able to completely remove any major content. like, at all

[plush frigate]

Catalyst adds this boss

[gloomy wedge]

actually i do wonder

if you could remove any one thing from cal what would you pick

you HAVE to remove something

[nimble wing]

i remember people getting genuinely angry when cal removed its shortswords

[plush frigate]

.

[gloomy wedge]

and there is not a replacement

[dusky ingot]

It's a completely different boss than original geldon doe

Which was probably same as Aureus

So a bad boss

[lyric kiln]

I mean, I wouldn't remove things, I'd do a major overhaul to many of the shittier bosses, just, like, a ground-up redesign

[dusky ingot]

I still am

[spare summit]

Cnidrion

[gloomy wedge]

me personally im killing blood orbs

[nimble wing]

does a general set/concept of content count as one thing

[gloomy wedge]

yes

[solar badger]

the real question is what WOULDNT you remove

[dusky ingot]

Exos

[spare summit]

But serious answer does dragonfolly really need to exist

[dusky ingot]

Feel like an awful final boss

[plush frigate]

That's why I wrote adds, not returns 🙂

[nimble wing]

okay if an entire content set counts then remove the plague

if it doesn't, remove calclone

[gloomy wedge]

like, the entire plague?

[spare summit]

Exos is a good answer too but then we wouldn’t get a replacement draedon boss

[dusky ingot]

A final fight should be epic and church-like, not pure bs

Imo

[gloomy wedge]

that shits got like half the good ranged weapons at post-golem man

thats fucked up

[nimble wing]

i would personally remove A LOT of calamity content, but those are my first choices

[dusky ingot]

Bumblebirb supremacy

[solar badger]

we are removing Supreme Witch, Calamitas because it would be funny

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, I love that armor

[nimble wing]

you can take balance and shove it

[dusky ingot]

Cause it always feels so funny to make yourself go blind

[lyric kiln]

Desert Scourge is just Worm, Giant Clam barely qualifies as a boss, Hive Mind is one of the most boring boss fights in the game, Perforator Hive is just kind of annoying, and Slime Gods is two slime AIs (wow)

[spare summit]

Giant clam isn’t a boss

[nimble wing]

post-golem rangers can find other good weapons via weak ones getting buffed or new ones getting added

[gloomy wedge]

personally i like desert scourge

i think its a pretty good introductory boss

[spare summit]

Hive mind is boring but its theme is bopping so we’re keeping it

[nimble wing]

we don't need to keep a redundant and irrelevant content set just for that

[lyric kiln]

Desert Scourge isn't the worst, but he could be so much more

[gloomy wedge]

encourages you to explore sunken sea which shows you "hey, calamity adds new biomes, go look for them"

decent enough fight to get you used to the new calamity movement

[nimble wing]

this is exactly why cal never wants to remove a boss entirely

[lyric kiln]

like, my problem with these bosses isn't that they exist, it's that their boss design is terrible

largely nonexistent

[dusky ingot]

A total of 4 biomes, though it is a bit of a stretch

[gloomy wedge]

can i give my hottest take

i think hive mind/perfs are the best fights in pre hardmode and its not close

[spare summit]

I’d agree if skeletron didn’t exist

[lyric kiln]

are you comparing them to only Calamity bosses or all bosses including Vanilla

[dusky ingot]

We talking normal revengeance?

[spare summit]

But all prehardmode bosses are boring so

[gloomy wedge]

all bosses

[nimble wing]

hive mind was just about the best boss in the entire mod

[elder nebula]

if i could remove anything in vanilla it would be chlorophyte

[nimble wing]

i say was because 2.0.4 happened

[lyric kiln]

terrible take then. Perf is cool, but in no world is Hive Mind better than every other boss

Hive Mind is conceptually an interesting idea

[gloomy wedge]

...now that i think about it i never actually fought hive mind on 2.0.4 lol

[lyric kiln]

but in practice, it's just nothing

[dusky ingot]

In Infernum I'd say my favorite pre-hm boss would be Crabulon

[lyric kiln]

"wow kill a bunch of regular enemies in a row"

[nimble wing]

man i complain about presenting opinions as facts all the time why do i keep doing it myself

apologies

[spare summit]

I wish we could get rid of the phase where it luigis until like 75% health

[dusky ingot]

While in Revengeance probably Perforators indeed

[gloomy wedge]

infernum? my favorite pre-hm boss is eoc

eoc is just a really good introductory boss imo

[solar badger]

what would you add to calamity

[gloomy wedge]

shows you what to expect out of infernum

[gloomy wedge]

shadow the hedgehog

[dusky ingot]

Yharim 💀

[lyric kiln]

Hybrid Classes honestly

[plush frigate]

I was mad at him the first time I played through it, I wrote at the top that the master is an infernum

[spare summit]

Calamitas maid accessory

[solar badger]

I would add more destructive mage weapons you're trying to tell me that the "Supreme Witch of Calamity" has no world ending explosive spells

[gloomy wedge]

rancor?

gruesome eminence?

summoning the fucking sepulcher?

[lyric kiln]

oh, you know what I would honestly remove from Calamity? And this is going to be an incredibly hot take.

[gloomy wedge]

like the one thing scal weapons arent lacking in is style

[lyric kiln]

True Melee

[elder nebula]

yeah tbh

[plush frigate]

From the Supreme Witch Calamitas the weapon is not very

[nimble wing]

i would totally remove the damage type, if you mean that

[spare summit]

I thought a big complaint people have is that melee is just magic swords and not really melee

[lyric kiln]

like, the idea of buffing "real melee" instead of projectile melee is interesting, since in practice the non-projectile melee weapons suck by the inherent nature of their terrible range

[spare summit]

Removing every true melee weapon is stupid

[solar badger]

im not talking about style im talking about world ending spells

[spare summit]

But I agree we should stop treating it as a separate damage type

[gloomy wedge]

i dont think true melee should be a thing in most mods since it feels really weird to design fights with it and all other classes in mind

[solar badger]

I do not deny the weapons are stylish

[gloomy wedge]

but at this point, we are way too far in

[nimble wing]

but if you mean removing the entire weapon design archetype that would be absolutely ridiculous

[lyric kiln]

but in practice True Melee is just "let me dodge until my Adrenaline Bar is full then faceroll the enemy"

[elder nebula]

that complaint is stupid
terraria's design is incompatible with true melee

[gloomy wedge]

i'd say thats a problem with adren

[lyric kiln]

True Melee is either the worst playstyle in the game or utterly broken, there's no inbetween

[nimble wing]

this is NOT true melee's fault, this is the fault of boss design and adrenaline existing

[gloomy wedge]

adren is lowkey something we could remove in sso and i would not be complaining

[nimble wing]

there is an in between it's called Fargo's Souls

(or Redemption)

[gloomy wedge]

rage is enough we dont need two meters

[plush frigate]

Murasama from Overhaul says hello to everyone

[elder nebula]

no

[gloomy wedge]

isnt this shit the best weapon in the game from eoc to scal

[spare summit]

Overhaul mentioned

[dusky ingot]

Overhaul mentioned 💀

[spare summit]

Send this man to layer 4

No diving suit

[gloomy wedge]

mods, inflict chaos state on this guy in the abyss

[steel thorn]

Is Infernum compatible with master mode?

[gloomy wedge]

no

[elder nebula]

no

[solar badger]

just call true melee: melee
and melee: spellblade or some shit 95% of melee weapons aren't even used for slashing things they have projectiles

[steel thorn]

Fug.

[dusky ingot]

Coming here to talk about Overhaul is like going to Church and reading a Satanic Bible there

[solar badger]

it's just manaless mage

[lyric kiln]

sure, but every other class can both do more damage outside of Adren, and doesn't do as much damage during Adren. True Melee as a class gets way way higher damage than every other class, by nature of "it's True Melee", so they're by far the biggest abusers of Adrenaline

[fading dove]

ranger and spam rogue

[gloomy wedge]

i feel like if you want to make melee more interesting without going all in on true melee, just do what nights edge does

have limited range, not no range

[dusky ingot]

Or design bosses so they can all be reasonably killed with true melee

[gloomy wedge]

that's a very big ask

[steel thorn]

Does Infernum add new items?

[spare summit]

That one galaxia attunement and the arc line comes to mind
I wish more melee was like that

[gloomy wedge]

yes

a good few

[lyric kiln]

yeah, that's one of the biggest issues with true melee, there's so many bosses where it's just not viable

[spare summit]

A few yeah
There’s a new boss and primordial wyrm has new drops notably

[gloomy wedge]

there's all the argus drops, purity, the dev wishes, jared drops

[spare summit]

And wayfinder

Best thing ever made

[lyric kiln]

but because it's presented like a real subclass, people try to play True Melee, and suffer

[steel thorn]

Is there anything to make Ranger less disappointing?

[gloomy wedge]

how do you get wayfinder again

[elder nebula]

walk into it

[gloomy wedge]

it adds one new ranged weapon but that one ranged weapon is pretty cool

i like it

and besides, ranger is like

[spare summit]

There’s strong and interesting Ranger weapons in base cal you just have to find out which ones
Which isn’t easy tbh

[gloomy wedge]

lowkey that shit has like 4 ss weapons it is absurd

[lyric kiln]

Wall of Flesh, for example, is only doable True Melee if you use the tunnel cheese strat

which really shouldn't be a thing

[plush frigate]

If we talk about overhaul, there is nothing wrong with it, just adds one boss, changes mechanic bosses, adds items, and also changes the murasamu, and that's it

[lyric kiln]

and of course Cryogen exists

[gloomy wedge]

read the pins

[steel thorn]

My base cal Ranger run had me genuinely upset at times

[gloomy wedge]

there's a lot wrong with overhaul

[spare summit]

Whar
Dark lance and night’s edge are both really good for that

[elder nebula]

n
nothing wrong???

[gloomy wedge]

for one it can brick your world

[dusky ingot]

Cat

[spare summit]

Borgar

[plush frigate]

Did I say something terrible?

[elder nebula]

yes

[lyric kiln]

unless they significantly changed Death WoF since I did my true melee run (back in 1.3), it's just completely unviable, because even trying to exist that close to WoF will just get you killed every time

[plush frigate]

What exactly?

[gloomy wedge]

see here

[spare summit]

Night’s edge and dark lance got huge buffs

[solar badger]

He’s clearly hungry give him some
even though he can’t have any because I’m 90% sure burgers probably have at least one poisonous ingredient

[gloomy wedge]

i am currently only playing overhaul because it's considered a calamity addon

and this gives me an excuse to see how miserable it can get

[dusky ingot]

Everything is poisonous to cats honestly

They aren't like dogs

[lyric kiln]

fair enough

[dusky ingot]

If a cat eats something other than meat you gotta take it to the vet usually

[spare summit]

In fact in vanilla night’s edge is the best weapon for the boss and it’s not even close

[dusky ingot]

And you can't even give them any processed or seasoned meat, just bland meat

Cause their kidneys will shut down

Or something

[lyric kiln]

but yeah, point being, True Melee is just kind of an annoying thing to exist, in a game not designed for it.

[plush frigate]

And I am for the sake of the ants

Murasama

[steel thorn]

My cat likes popcorn

[gloomy wedge]

even ignoring the stolen code of murasama, its maybe one of the most unbalanced weapons out there

[elder nebula]

i've been trying to tell my family to stop giving the cat french fries and every time their response is "but he likes it :("
like no you dumbass

[steel thorn]

I still think it’s arbitrary that naming yourself Jetstream Sam doesn’t let you use the Murasama early anymore

[lyric kiln]

"True Melee" bullet hells can be very good, so long as your game is designed for it. See Furi, one of my favorite games of all time.

You have a gun, but you do most of your damage in melee

[elder nebula]

you shouldn't be able to skip the entire game

[gloomy wedge]

yeah true melee works fantastic if you design an entire game around it

[plush frigate]

For your understanding, French fries and popcorn are bad for cats

[gloomy wedge]

the problem with terraria is that theres 4 classes, 5 in calamity

well 5 and a half really because stealth rogue is kinda its own entire thing

[lyric kiln]

but in Furi you have deflection mechanics, directional dodge mechanics, parry mechanics, etc

[steel thorn]

Nobody said you should

One optional easter egg isn’t detrimental to the game

[gloomy wedge]

every single class except true melee works around you having range

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, these things happen sometimes

[steel thorn]

That falls under the “I don’t like it so nobody should get to use it” mentality which I despise

[solar badger]

When you hear about true melee you think: “Oh so I can get in close with the boss, deal lots of damage and tank lots of damage but I’m very limited by range so I have to balance movement and defense”
In actuality:
you wait for adrenaline to fill and then you run up and nuke half the bosses health and then run away again

[dusky ingot]

Well, maybe if True melee had some mechanics where it could deflect enemy projectiles, stun enemies for a bit to be able to hit them, then that class could make a bit more sense

[dusky ingot]

Depends on boss, sometimes you just nuke 100% of the health

[lyric kiln]

the problem is, it'd very quickly just become broken again in that case, unless its entire interaction with Adrenaline were removed

[solar badger]

The soulslike class
True melee weapons only and are incredibly frail but you can also parry and dodge so it’s ok

[plush frigate]

Speaking of classes, only the summoner is unique, as all other classes often shoot

[dusky ingot]

Incredible

But actually, Summoner has whips which are basically just Melee, and summons things to attack using mana, just like Mage

[solar badger]

And melee is just mage but without mana

It all comes back to mage this is why it’s the best class

[fluid kraken]

what magic weapon should i use on infernum polter

[lyric kiln]

the actual main defining feature of each class is:
Melee: Resourceless projectiles, and Flasks
Ranged: (Usually) high projectile volume, and mix and match ammos. Limited access to homing projectiles.
Magic: Mana system, usually slower projectiles, kind of doesn't really have that much of an identity beyond the mana system
Summoner: Attacking with multiple damage streams at once, not having to aim at the boss most of the time.
Rogue: Stealth Strikes, sort of? Outside of that, not much. General lack of homing?

[solar badger]

Mage also has the most unique and wildly different weapon types

[lyric kiln]

yeah, but that's not really an identity

unless that identity is a lack of identity

[solar badger]

I mean yeah kinda

[plush frigate]

That magician is imba

[lyric kiln]

Mage also, uniquely among all classes, doesn't have any way to attach rider effects to their attacks.

Melee, Summoner, and Rogue get flasks, Ranger gets ammo

Mage gets... Golden Shower I guess

[solar badger]

The only thing other classes can’t do that mage does is utilize mana and having a diverse array of weapons

[lyric kiln]

oh, I just realized

that's why the Apprentice and Dark Artist Enchantments do what they do

[plush frigate]

But damn it, the mage can attack constantly, just collect mana regeneration and reduce its costs

And without mana jars

[lyric kiln]

because Mage gets its utility through having extra weapons on their hotbar

[gloomy wedge]

Magic: Literally just nerfs to mages lmaoooo who the fuck would play this class willingly

[lyric kiln]

that's actually a really clever way to build an identity for Mage, making them attack with multiple weapons at the same time, to emphasize the "master of many magics" aspect of them

[gloomy wedge]

i love the calamity mod

[solar badger]

Make much more unique magic weapons as well

[lyric kiln]

although obviously the Apprentice and Dark Artist enchants do also work with every other class

[plush frigate]

This problem exists in other classes as well.

[solar badger]

Yeah but they get stuff like flasks and ammunition

Mage can’t utilize either

[lyric kiln]

but yeah, easy way to give mage a cool identity, give them some ability or accessory that lets them attack with multiple mage weapons at once

like "When you use a mage weapon, x% chance to also fire another mage weapon on your hotbar" or something

or maybe on a cooldown

and then that'd presumably get improved over the course of the playthrough

[plush frigate]

To be honest, I didn't experience this problem when I played as a mage, I just picked up and assembled accessories and armor

And that's it.

[lyric kiln]

then their biggest issue, lack of coherency and random bullshit, becomes a strength to their design

[west basin]

When i talk to the woman from wrath of gods. Even weeks after her spawning nothing happens. Do you guys know why?

[lyric kiln]

well yeah, it's not really a problem with them as played, it's more of a design identity problem

which doesn't really affect their moment-to-moment gameplay

but does make them somewhat weird to design weapons and such for

[fluid kraken]

have you played infernum mage?

[plush frigate]

I first passed the Master Infernum as a magician.

[lyric kiln]

did you get the Flagpole?

[fluid kraken]

alr, what mage weapons(s) should i use on polter

[west basin]

No evertime i talk to her its the same message

[lyric kiln]

which message?

[fluid kraken]

im struggling

[west basin]

"I failed..." and the rest

[plush frigate]

Preferably with homing

[fluid kraken]

so far im using nuclear fury and magnetic meltdown

[lyric kiln]

that's her introductory dialogue, wait a moment, there should be a red arrow to let you progress the dialogue

[unkempt mural]

Could i ask a question regarding the WOTG mod

[fluid kraken]

magnetic for when its close, fury for when it moves alot

[lyric kiln]

there's a lot more to that dialogue than just that one line

oh wait you said "and then the rest"

[west basin]

I did i progressed through everything and thats like 3 ingame months ago. She still has the same message tree when I talk to her

[plush frigate]

This weapon has good DPS, but you can find stronger ones.

[lyric kiln]

have you been skipping time with some mod or item?

[fluid kraken]

like?

[west basin]

No

[lyric kiln]

hmm, weird

it's supposed to progress as soon as one in-game day has passed

also

[west basin]

I read that on the wiki but nothing seems to happen

[lyric kiln]

I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to give the "I failed" dialogue repeatedly

after the first dialogue ends I'm pretty sure she's supposed to just directly say something like "We'll talk later" or something

[plush frigate]

I can't say specifically which one, because I combined weapons, in stages, when standing, when moving for more DPS

[lyric kiln]

so it seems like for whatever reason the introductory dialogue isn't counting as completed, or something

[west basin]

She does do that but only imidietly after. Next fmday she starts again

[lyric kiln]

huh, weird

[fluid kraken]

ah, do you remember what you used for dog?

[plush frigate]

From old duke staff

[lyric kiln]

maybe hit up the Wrath of the Gods discord server or something

[plush frigate]

The best

[fluid kraken]

old duke is hard

[west basin]

Thanks

Will have a look there

[plush frigate]

I killed him before the polterghast and I spent ~130 attempts on it

But on the first pass I remind you

[fluid kraken]

alright

[fluid kraken]

wdym

[unkempt mural]

I know this seems pretty obvious but could you send me the discord invite link to the sever

[plush frigate]

But rather kill the polterghast

[plush frigate]

In chat gpt

[fluid kraken]

how much harder is old duke than polter

[lyric kiln]

it's at the bottom of the Wrath of the Gods page on the Terraria Mods wiki

[plush frigate]

2-3 times more difficult, especially due to dashes

[lyric kiln]

most mod-specific discord servers will have an invite link near the bottom of the main page of their wiki

[unkempt mural]

i see thank you

[lyric kiln]

or in the case of mods without their own wiki, the main mod page on the Terraria Mods wiki

[unkempt mural]

gotcha ty

[polar bolt]

how the fuck do you even dodge this

i managed to beat it first time

but still insane

and what are you even supposed to do for this part

[fluid kraken]

stand at the edge next to the portal but not in the line

thats how i dodged it

[plush frigate]

You're practically standing still.

[polar bolt]

i must be doing everything right then

[plush frigate]

You stand in the center of the arena, or between two portals.

[polar bolt]

i just need to work on my reaction time

just like stupid DoG

just 2 shots me

[plush frigate]

In this battle, only some attacks make you move, but if you stand still, you won't move.

[polar bolt]

well i am playing infernum so i cant complain really

[polar bolt]

if i stand still i wont move?

i never knew they made me move

weird

[plush frigate]

Make a modifier of x10

[polar bolt]

i probably do move too much

[plush frigate]

Bosses' health

[polar bolt]

uhh

thats a lot

gonna take me minutes to beat

[plush frigate]

I'm kidding.

[polar bolt]

no i might actually do that

i would like to fight weaker bosses

[plush frigate]

Let's continue with this boss's attacks.

[polar bolt]

honestly though, i thought it would take me multiple attempts

[plush frigate]

First, you circle around the boss.

Although it's better to stick to the lower part of the arena

[polar bolt]

or

i could switch to revengaence mode

kidding

[plush frigate]

When attacking with portals, get to the boss himself, in the middle of the safe zone, or be between the lines.

You can also dodge

Massive attack with projectiles flying from the boss, hold on to the wall

[polar bolt]

will they not hit me

[plush frigate]

When she tries to pull you, move to the wall and dodge the projectiles, and after the pull is over she will fire large projectiles

They will be intuitive to dodge, so just try.

I won't tell you about the whole battle, you better watch the video

[polar bolt]

alright thats fine

she?

never knew that

[jade ocean]

which is better menacing lucky or violent pre golem melee infernum

[spare summit]

Warding
But menacing between the 3

[plush frigate]

I'm talking about Celestes

[smoky dock]

Violent has a coin flip's odds of one (1) reforge being stronger than rage, or of doing literally nothing

Don't use Violent unless you know exactly what you're doing

[spare summit]

Violent Terra blade my beloved

[dusky ingot]

Doesn't compare to Violent Terrarian

[smoky dock]

Relevant

[dusky ingot]

Man, I hate how Calamity lacks Maid outfits, gotta get modding

[little steppe]

isnt there a maid outfit in vanilla

[elder nebula]

you can't put it on npcs

[little steppe]

I'm sorry, two maid outfits

[little steppe]

let them have drip

they dont need maid outfits

...though maybe permafrost would be funny

[cedar laurel]

Is there a mod that let you put outfits on npc actually

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, and there's only one mod that adds a maid outfit on a calamity boss

We need maid accesories, maid bosses

[gloomy wedge]

Exactly one NPC does and it’s the tax collector

[dusky ingot]

Let's fight for our rights

[little steppe]

hell nah

he would capitalize it

[gloomy wedge]

Fine, I’ll start work on Maidraedon.

[little steppe]

20 gold to watch him

[dusky ingot]

Thanks

[gloomy wedge]

Shit you’re right

[dusky ingot]

Also remember to make Old Maid

Or would it be more like Maid Duke?

[cedar laurel]

Old maid claymore

[dusky ingot]

Or maybe Maid Fishron?

[gloomy wedge]

Maid Lord, final answer

[dusky ingot]

Maid Cultist

[little steppe]

profaned maid, providence

[gloomy wedge]

Cultist is already a maid

I know what he’s hiding under there

Where do you think he gets all his magic powers from

[dusky ingot]

Primordial Maid

[elder nebula]

maid calamita- 💥

[little steppe]

eh I was guessing sacrificing people

[dusky ingot]

Maid Deity

[little steppe]

banned

[dusky ingot]

That exists already, let's not repeat mods

[gloomy wedge]

Now all im saying is that scal is both the strongest boss in the mod AND the only one with a maid costume on tmod currently

Now I’m not saying these are intrinsically linked

[little steppe]

she is the only boss with an actual human body besides a crazy man

[dusky ingot]

Yeah, maid outfit correlates to strength

[little steppe]

makes sense

[dusky ingot]

Maid of Emptiness

[elder nebula]

maid lord

[gloomy wedge]

Skeletron is human enough to count

[little steppe]

chippy doesnt count

[dusky ingot]

Eater of Maid P-

Maid of Cthulu

[elder nebula]

🤨

[little steppe]

though he does sell black and pink thread

do you know what is that used on..

[dusky ingot]

Maid Twins

[little steppe]

this is very addonous

[gloomy wedge]

Speaking of addons for a (semi) serious mod idea

[little steppe]

minor spelling mistake

explode

[gloomy wedge]

Turning all bosses into foods

[dusky ingot]

Yharon, the Maid of Rebirth

[elder nebula]

dog spaghetti

[little steppe]

dog is a hot dog

[gloomy wedge]

Rn the only idea I’ve really got is a king slime food that doubles your DR and defense but makes every block act like auric ore

[elder nebula]

i'm such a fool

[little steppe]

dirt rejection

[dusky ingot]

Some crazy people would abuse the hell out of the auric ore mechanics probably

There'd certainly be a cheese for some bosses involving that

[cedar laurel]

Average topic in lore-discussion

[dusky ingot]

Yharon into chicken nuggies

[elder nebula]

what would yh

[dusky ingot]

40% more movement speed but you're constantly burning

[gloomy wedge]

Oh another idea

[spare summit]

Doesn’t lava chicken already do this

[gloomy wedge]

Desert scourge, doubled mining speed

But permanent blackout

[dusky ingot]

Dunno

[gloomy wedge]

Every food would probably be like that

The only problem is how do we make scal into a food without making it weird

Maybe she just exhumes a grilled cheese and that’s her food idk

[dusky ingot]

Eye of Cthulu - You get all the vision buffs from potions, but you get testicular cancer

[elder nebula]

brimstone fireball (alcohol)

[elder nebula]

wait

[elder nebula]

wait wait

[dusky ingot]

Feet of the Witch

[gloomy wedge]

Ok actually I had an idea for EoC I forgot about

[elder nebula]

grilled cheese

is fucking perfect

i don't think i can tell you why tho

[gloomy wedge]

I think it was all weapon projectiles split in two but if you land a critical hit you have a 10% chance to spawn eoc in pre hardmode

Twins in hardmode

Or exo mechs in post ml

[dusky ingot]

Lucky would go crazy with that

[fading dove]

not even just hunters its all four

[dusky ingot]

Also add Mars to the mix

[gloomy wedge]

I don’t know if you can spawn just hunters

But if you can then that

[dusty cobalt]

do those candles still exist

the ones that used to be from the princess

oh i remember now

[fading dove]

wizard

[dusty cobalt]

theyre from the normal priness now

[fading dove]

evil wizard candles

[dusty cobalt]

oh

thanks

[fading dove]

the interlude music boxes are princess

[dusty cobalt]

oh yes i got it mixed up for sure

[calm dagger]

how do i dodge providence cross attack

its so unfair bro

[little steppe]

step 1

you pray

[fading dove]

cross?

[little steppe]

step 2

[calm dagger]

okay

[fading dove]

the micrododging one?

[little steppe]

you gamble

[fading dove]

just like use witch's broom

[little steppe]

oh its not dogma nvm

[fading dove]

it gives precise movement

or starboard hover

because of its unparalleled accel and deaccel

[calm dagger]

how do i get witches broom

[fading dove]

did you not do pumpkin moon?

drops from mourning wood in expert mode

[calm dagger]

okay

wait whats better

the starboard or broom

[fading dove]

depends

[arctic wren]

witches broom

imo

[calm dagger]

for that attack specifically

[fading dove]

not sure

theyre probably about even

up to preference

[arctic wren]

i dont see the reason to drop better wings for dog for hoverboard when you dont typically use a mount for the rest of the fight

[dusty cobalt]

also go inside of providence hitbox u will only have to worry about the crosses

[arctic wren]

oh wait

god im dumb

ima stfu

[calm dagger]

huh

he turns into a little gem

[elder nebula]

provi doesn't do contact damage

[dusty cobalt]

oh

i thought u were talking about the other thing

where you get flashbanged

[calm dagger]

no that ones easy

also after the cross one

he does the laser beams

which suck

and then he does super laser beam

which i just cant comprehend

[polar sedge]

this thing was very annoying

[solar badger]

How many sprites does calamity have

It’s surely at like 10k at this point at least right?

[gloomy wedge]

Probably more

Considering all the blocks, furniture, enemies, bosses, projectiles, debuffs, buffs, NPCs, animations, and general amount of shit that’s gone into the mod

It’d be surprising if there were only 10k sprites

[glad cloud]

Why is infernum cryogen going immortal for extended periods of time

[woven rune]

Enraged iirc

Keep him in ice biome

[smoky dock]

It is enraged

Enraged Cryogen is immune to all damage and will only become vulnerable again when you re-enter the ice biomes

[fading dove]

eutrophic glass wall i think has a few thousand on its own based on the spritesheet dimensions

for context its larger than the leviathan spritesheet

[elder nebula]

by 50%

[agile agate]

Damn

[elder nebula]

it's the same width but twice as tall

[gloomy wedge]

Right I was assuming >10k spritesheets

[fading dove]

ah

[gloomy wedge]

There’s easily >10k sprites

[fading dove]

uhhhhh

probably?

one for each tile's placed and item, one for each entity

hell ripper bars i think are like 12 sprites

[tawdry cape]

not my issue since i have 0 hours of the raria as of now but my fiance wanted me to ask in her stead. do any of you know why the ceaseless void boss won't spawn? she is using the kos and has tried turning infernum off and on and even making a new world but it just won't spawn according to her

[tardy cedar]

where she tryna spawn it

[median kiln]

what am i doing wrong? (ignore the subway surfers)

[tawdry cape]

dungeon- archives

[tardy cedar]

you're going random directions instead of moving fluidly, such as at 0:50

you dash right instead of left where the devourer's body lies

[tardy cedar]

strange

should spawn

[median kiln]

I think it was me not getting in a rhythm of left dash, hitting right, and then hitting left and dashing again

[tardy cedar]

yeah there's not a sense of rhythm

[median kiln]

i think the other issue is me attempting to make the fight as short as possible

[tardy cedar]

that's fine

Id recommend swapping the dodge for locket tho

[median kiln]

what lcoket

[tawdry cape]

do you have any more info regarding this issue?

[tardy cedar]

cherished sealocket

[tardy cedar]

is cv naturally there in the archives

[zenith obsidian]

no

it's not

there is nothing there

ever

every world

it's empty

[median kiln]

is sealocket just better amalgamated brain

[tardy cedar]

imo yeah except when you've been hit more than twice

[tardy cedar]

odd

can't really help you there althought I remember one time ceaseless spawned somewhere else except archives

kinda unreal for that to happen consistently tho

you could troubleshoot by turning off other mods except cal and infernum

[zenith obsidian]

when i use the kos to spawn it. it says: ceaseless void has awoken! and then the screen shakes it goes dark for a bit.. and nothing spawns in

[tardy cedar]

strange

[zenith obsidian]

i did lol

[tardy cedar]

might as well skip the boss then

you could spawn it with cheat sheet but that might cause things to break

[zenith obsidian]

then how do i fight the devourer of gods?

[zenith obsidian]

cheat sheet?

[tardy cedar]

just craft the alternate summon

[tardy cedar]

a cheat mod

[zenith obsidian]

it's called cheat sheet?

[zenith obsidian]

there is an alternate summon?

[tardy cedar]

Yes

[tardy cedar]

Also yes

[zenith obsidian]

alrighty.. i'll look

[tardy cedar]

theres two craftables for the dog summon

one that requires all the rune of kos bosses the other can be done pre guardians

[zenith obsidian]

hmm

sooo using the cheat sheet allows me to spawn them in. But. they then disappear immediately after being spawned in

[calm dagger]

yo does the providence fight end when it zooms in on her with like 10% ish hp left

cuz it js turned night at that part and she ran away

and im pissed

[zenith obsidian]

did that to me too <\3

[calm dagger]

was that the end tho?

[little steppe]

no she turns blue cause night

and goes away

it does zoom in on provi but not at 10% iirc

[wheat kraken]

i give up fighting infernum skelly legit 😭

[zenith obsidian]

yep

[wheat kraken]

whats the easiest way to beat this bony fuck

[calm dagger]

lowk imma js cheat and instakill his bitchass

im beat it fair and square

he ran

he was scared

of me

[median kiln]

ah i see

should i sub it out on my main build as well?

[calm dagger]

for like the first parts of the fight you can just walk left or right

[median kiln]

my main build is more defensive orientated

[wheat kraken]

i mean like

cheese

😭

[median kiln]

this one is glass cannon cuz i figured theres no point in being tanky against infernum devourer

[little steppe]

break in

rob his house

bully the security

[wheat kraken]

OH TRUE

yeah i should do that

lmfao you can set a wayfinder right where he spawns in

ok so how the fuck do i do this 😭

i remember seeing a video where they broke pots with the starfury to get keys?

[river shell]

Im using catalyst and infernum is there any good weapons I can use for Queen slime?

[elder nebula]

class??

[river shell]

ranger

mb

[elder nebula]

P90 + high velocity bullets

[spare summit]

i forgot how genuinely suicidal infernum dog made me feel

anybody know how to set up the portal gun cheese

[river shell]

how bad is the boss on a scale of 1/10?

im doing my first infernum run

[wheat kraken]

what are the conditions for dungeon guardian spawning again? is there like a certain amount of dungeon bricks that has to be nearby as well as being in front of dungeon walls and below a certain y level? or is it just being in front of the walls

[spare summit]

the first time you learn it? 10 million
every time after that? probably like an 8

i just got it in 53 btw

took me over 400 my first playthrough

[spare summit]

unsafe walls
bricks
elevation
as for the specifics idk

[fading dove]

same as dungeon enemies

[fading dove]

like 2 if you're good at patterns

[spare summit]

learning it for the first time is hard

you cant deny that

after you learn what to do it depends on how good you are at patterns

[fading dove]

dog's pattern is incredibly simple, its just executing it that's the challenging part

[fading dove]

yeah

its a lower damage safer alternative to lion heart

[spare summit]

i can't believve this was 53 it felt like 200

i had musket balls equipped fuck me

[orchid fractal]

Okay how do I go into the portal CV left behind, I’ve already defeated DoG and I didn’t know I was supposed to go into the portal, is it too late? I refilled CV which caused the portal to remake itself; what do I have to do now?

Nevermind it lets me do it again

Wait how do I enter it?

help please

[limber sage]

you don't enter it

solyn enters it

[plain wadi]

Talk to Solyn.

[orchid fractal]

But I saw someone on YT enter it

[plain wadi]

Wrong portal, methinks.

After Void is defeated, you have to talk with Solyn.

[orchid fractal]

Right but I’ve done this before

[plain wadi]

Talk to him again.

[orchid fractal]

Somehow CV reset

[plain wadi]

Then defeat him again.

[orchid fractal]

I did already

I saw someone on a YT progression guide enter it

It could’ve been a troll 😭

[orchid fractal]

@plain wadi https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-eqqMD7zNAs&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

At 5:40 is this a troll?

[plain wadi]

Oh, It's not a troll.

It's an edit to make it more cinematic.

Did you already talk to Solyn so she enters the rift?

[orchid fractal]

OHHH

Oh yeah twice

[plain wadi]

Okay, then plant the Antiseed near the Frostblessed Seedling.

Then, progress like normal.

[orchid fractal]

Yeah I got that, now I just need to get to SCal right?

See I already did all that shit, it just made me kill CV again lmao

Thanks for the help

[plain wadi]

Supreme Calamitas and the Exo Mechs.

[plain wadi]

You're welcome.

[orchid fractal]

By chance, what gear should I use for infernum Yharon as mage?

Perchance.

[plain wadi]

Uhhhhhh

God It's been years since I've last played Calamity mage.

[spare summit]

if you feel like doing eidolon wyrm before yharon both of those weapons are amazing
if not then probably voltaic climax or event horizon, or light god's brilliance if you can aim

[polar sedge]

even in maso death, you are still easy

[orchid fractal]

Yeah actually I will

Wait eidolon before yharon…

Eh…

I’ll just do voltaic at least that’s familiar for my previous infernum runs

[polar sedge]

gravity power invalidates the entire gimmick

lol

[pastel ruin]

i really do hate infernum thanatos with all my heart

[plain wadi]

Perforators are piss easy.

But Hive Mind is hard as balls.

There is no balance.

[polar sedge]

so far the hardest fight has been

maso eye

maso death eye*

no i have not tried any other vanilla boss yet

[pastel ruin]

moonlord❤️‍🩹

[polar sedge]

yeah moon lord is probably going to be hell

pray to the lords above that astrageldon's no hit weapon works against him

[pastel ruin]

only thing i hate more than infernum thanatos is the entire fargos souls mod bosses

[polar sedge]

you mean

deviantt, abominationn and mutant?

or do you mean

all of eternity/maso mode

[pastel ruin]

all of it

[polar sedge]

why?

[pastel ruin]

and maybe abomination the most

i dont actually hate it theyre just like rlly hard for me with my pc

[polar sedge]

ah

that makes more sense

yeah fargo's souls is kinda

heavy

[pastel ruin]

potato pc💔

[polar sedge]

especially with the ridiculous mod combinations i have on

aka

[pastel ruin]

my pc litterally makes it so i cant do thanatos+ares

[polar sedge]

fargo, fargo dlc, fargo old dlc, calamity, catalyst, goozma, entropy, clamity, thorium, dbz, spirits, consolaria

[pastel ruin]

yeah gl with that

[polar sedge]

oh almost forgot

mech bosses rework, thorium bosses rework and spirit bosses rework (all from the same guy)

meaning that thorium and spirit bosses are also more difficult

[pastel ruin]

if i every try whatever ur going for on my pc it will burn when i pee

[limber sage]

wouldn't mech boss rework cause problems since fargos also alters mech boss ai?

[polar sedge]

according to the mod description

it has synergy with it

also says it has synergy with calamity's difficulty

[limber sage]

oh, so the mod maker was thinking ahead

[polar sedge]

at least

pre-master mode changes

post master mode everything just

fucking breaks

[limber sage]

what about gfb

[polar sedge]

no

also the mod adds like

3 more mech bosses

wait no

4

terminator (brain), caretaker (bee), deer (deer), siege engine (wall).

and also makes mechdusa a proper fight

[pastel ruin]

i just beat dog(224) and yharon(22) on infernum

[polar sedge]

damn, nice!

[pastel ruin]

I-frames saved me with dog

i just outdamaged yharon out of his last phase

🤑

[polar sedge]

also, the mechbosses, jungle bosses (although i don't have that on), thorium bosses and spirit hard mode bosses reworks all have master mode versions of the fight (i think), with harder attack patterns and new attacks

they are all made by the same guy btw

i have to say

jungle bosses rework golem is complete peak

[limber sage]

is the jungle bosses one with the golem mount and the alraune plantera?

[polar sedge]

yes

[pastel ruin]

how many attempts did it take u to beat 1 boss...

[limber sage]

cuz I fuckin love that

[polar sedge]

huh?

[polar sedge]

yes it is

[limber sage]

https://youtu.be/_2h_cfNVVo8

this many

[pastel ruin]

the eye

[polar sedge]

uuuum

let me check

[polar sedge]

i tried that fight

never really ended up beating it (didn't find it fun)

[limber sage]

I need to beat the 'true radiance' now

which is...a nightmare

I thought normal daytime was tough

but I can't even last 10 seconds in true radiance

[polar sedge]

@pastel ruin that many

oh wait, i forgot about this dumbass

yeah his arena just

generated wrong

[pastel ruin]

thats me in the vid btw if u didnt know btw smh

dude

[limber sage]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carrell-unamused-meh-gif-5167530

[pastel ruin]

i tried wrath of the gods calamity and the world generation just didnt work

i cant get the seed from the tundra

[polar sedge]

for the record, this dude has an arena that generates around himself, the problem is that two damn pyramids generated inside one another

[pastel ruin]

i just made a new world and stole the seeds from there tho

[polar sedge]

meaning the arena was uber fucked and he somehow got stuck on the stairs

[pastel ruin]

my old world made it so theres no way to get in his arena

[polar sedge]

then after I killed him in that glitched state, I manually broke the arena up (shoddy cuz i have no idea how big it's supposed to be), and he was a pain in the ass

[pastel ruin]

fargos souls world generation❤️

[polar sedge]

hey

at least it bothers to generate stuff most of the time

remnants just eats the generation of like, 99% of all mods

[pastel ruin]

this is why i have a love hate relationship with world generation bosses

[orchid fractal]

Okay what armor does mage use for infernum yharon again?

[pastel ruin]

no armor, go in raw

[orchid fractal]

Oh wait it’s Silva

[polar sedge]

you know, having to juggle like, 50 billion enchantments with my mod pack is

legit a bit stressful XD

[plain wadi]

Silva moment.

[polar sedge]

At least there's a ton of buffs that I can get

[pastel ruin]

should i change or replace anything (summoner)

[polar sedge]

.?

What are those

Unloaded items?

[pastel ruin]

yeah

calamity vanities mod moment

[polar sedge]

Ah

[pastel ruin]

pre exo/cal

[polar sedge]

Honestly I have no idea

I never have done the normal intended progression

By that time I just fight like, goozma

[pastel ruin]

?

??????

why

[polar sedge]

Because addons

[pastel ruin]

that makes sense

[wicked creek]

Yharim's gift could be chalice of the blood god or amalgam for example

The tracers should be wings of rebirth

Rampart of deities could also be chalice or amalgam or something elss3

[pastel ruin]

should i replace both rampart and yharim with amalgam and blood god?

[orchid fractal]

Do you guys think this loadout is pretty good for infernum yharon?

[pastel ruin]

i think ur about ready for nameless deity