calamity-addon-talk

[real cipher]

I used a hellevator to get to the providence arena and now my arena is fucked

[gloomy wedge]

have fun with that lmao

[real cipher]

o thx

[gloomy wedge]

now it's a challenge video

CAN I BEAT INFERNUM PROVIDENCE WITH HALF THE ARENA CUT OFF?!

[smoky dock]

no legitimate solution
play ball or cheat

[real cipher]

what cheats

do i use

?

[smoky dock]

most cheat mods have a structure painter or whatever

[gloomy wedge]

do you think solyn minds me building a giant mech killing box next to her tent

speaking of which i need to expand this box

[smoky dock]

paint over the offensive blocks with air

[gloomy wedge]

idk why i like the phrasing of offensive blocks

yeah my hellevator said some slurs so i had to replace it with air

[compact hedge]

whats the best way to use superradiant slaughterer

[fair geode]

i wish there was a better way to do this lmao

[humble marlin]

QoT:

[fair geode]

im using qot

[gloomy wedge]

try to get the boss to stick to one general position if possible

and then right click into spam fully charged left clicks

just keep refreshing your right click whenever you can

[compact hedge]

okay

[gloomy wedge]

it should be around 15k dps i think

[compact hedge]

😲

[gloomy wedge]

anyways who here knows how to break a lot of blocks really really fast

[compact hedge]

cheat sheet

👌

[gloomy wedge]

im not doing that shit

[compact hedge]

lol

celebration

rocket 4s

[gloomy wedge]

right, rockets

i forgot about those

[spring ravine]

how do I activate ts (I have the core)

[humble marlin]

right click on the shrine

[compact hedge]

you just click on it bro

[humble marlin]

with the core

[spring ravine]

I did and its not working

[compact hedge]

put it in your hotbar

[spring ravine]

it is

oh what

I just tabbed out and it loaded

[compact hedge]

oh

ts weapon is so broken

[gloomy wedge]

MY FISHING POOOOOOOOOOND

[compact hedge]

i just melted dragon folly

[gloomy wedge]

im gonna kill this rift for denying me my single basic human right

fishing

[spring ravine]

wait it didnt bring me to the world

im so confused...

wait what now im here

[gloomy wedge]

dw its just

weird

[compact hedge]

why are vortex wings so dogshit

[elder nebula]

yeah

[gloomy wedge]

because relogic hates us

7 trillion flight time to the melee wings

[compact hedge]

should i just use tracers?

or starboard

[gloomy wedge]

starboard

tracers work but starboard is far better

[compact hedge]

okay ill use that

i swear theses feel worse than fairy wings

[radiant turtle]

i placed solyns flagpole in a suitable area, how do i get her to move there?

[night fractal]

Did you take off angel treads

vortex and nebula wings need boots still

They have the same top speed bootless as angel, demon, jetpack, Moab

Ignoring, of course, hover

[fair geode]

honestly i wish soul crystal didnt lock you into 10 slots max

[night fractal]

Soul Crystal is really a don't use minions with it at all type thing afaik

It becomes much stronger if you use no minions

[fair geode]

oh huh

[nimble wing]

💀

[night fractal]

Also you can use more than 10 slots worth of minions if you have that many slots from accessories

[limber sage]

yup

[spring ravine]

ok so maybe phantasm wasnt the best pick for this fight

[gloomy wedge]

this why blight spewer the goat

[fair geode]

if i use more than 10 slots i lose the transformation from the crystal

[night fractal]

no

You need 10 empty slots to get the transformation

if you have 21 minions

You can use 11 minion slots

if you have 25, you can use 15

[fair geode]

hm

i mean i can have endogenesis conveniently

[spring ravine]

what should I change for ml (using the glassmaker)

[woven rune]

Angel Treads -> Ambrosial Ampoule probably

Fishron Wings are good enough to use without Angel Treads

especially in a small enclosed arena like ML

[fair geode]

golden folly

[nova hull]

looking to start a calamity + fargo's playthrough (first time fargos lol), are there any resources as to enchant availability for calamity items or fargo's souls + calamity boss order?

[fair geode]

oh?

wonder what that is

[smoky dock]

Enchant availablility can be inferred via rarity

You can follow Deviantt's suggested boss order by using her... special item idk what it's called

[limber sage]

Eternity Advisor

why is DS stronger than EoW

also, I don't even remember how I dealt with the damn pests ds spawns

[wheat radish]

you dont

also abuse the fuck out of spiky balls because those mfs shred him (unless eternity changes that)

[spring ravine]

I cant w/ dis luck gng...

[humble marlin]

[spring ravine]

BRO WHY DID ML JUST START SPAMMING INF BULLETS

and now I cant summon him anymore

???

[limber sage]

I doubt that'd help in masolegdeath gfb

[coral tapir]

Just defeated signus and provindence on infernum with Joe Bartolozzi playing on the background, proving my theory that joe gives you determination

[wheat radish]

what the fuck is wrong with you

but also its free damage just do it fr

[limber sage]

the thing is I have the gfb EoC drop, optic staff

so damage isn't an issue per say

it's the fact that they turn on a dime, and are fucking GIANT

[wheat radish]

you have a hardmode weapon and you can't beat desert scourge

[limber sage]

and do like, 100 dmg a bite

[spring ravine]

bro why did ml crash out and spam a cancerous amount of bullets at me, kill me, and not allow me to spawn him anymore?

[limber sage]

DS has 62k hp

[fair geode]

oo i like this grass quite a bit

[wheat radish]

if bosses were smart

[spring ravine]

does ml roar when he enrages?

and how does he enrage

cuz I was just fighting him, got all 3 of his eyes down, roared, and killed me instantly

[onyx storm]

does infernum multiplayer patch still exist?

[ancient inlet]

holy shit i just noticed this in my inventory

this is the 1/777777 one

[cerulean bison]

what does this mean ?

[ancient inlet]

guess you have to wait for that mod to update

[cerulean bison]

oh

ok thanks

[ancient inlet]

oh looks like it just updated

try restarting?

[fathom saffron]

Does the infernum subworld not work RN? Im trying to enter it with the sandstone core & it sends me back to the main world after trying to load everything in

[spring ravine]

MY LUCK IS SO BAD OMFG

AS SOON AS I BEAT ML MY POWER GOES OUT BEFORE I GET THE CHANCE TO SAVE AND NOW I HAVE TO REBEAT HIM

[dusty cobalt]

Terraria

[fading dove]

and the summoner wings

[fair geode]

thats justifiable

cause you gotta dodge a lot

[frozen blade]

infernum multiplayer

[onyx storm]

how do we play it when the multiplayer patch is gone

[surreal cedar]

we don't

😭

[fading dove]

you play it like we used to

[onyx storm]

bro no way

[fading dove]

oh wait

wotg

nvm

[cedar laurel]

Tmod multiplayer patch when

[surreal cedar]

tmod is fine though

or is it some specific mod combo

[fading dove]

boss jittering 🤤

it happens in vanilla

[frozen blade]

im jizzing XD

[fading dove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/976152972377595955/982700848436101160/IMG_7875.gif

[surreal cedar]

Oh that

[surreal cedar]

????

[frozen blade]

sorry, that was meant for DMs

[surreal cedar]

Oh nice

[fading dove]

okay buddy

[surreal cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-debate-president-presidential-debate-wtf-gif-4127151492472228747

my face right now

[frozen blade]

?

[onyx storm]

where did this go?

i can't find it anywhere

[fair geode]

it literally says

[onyx storm]

this is a screenshot from a video

[night fractal]

and this screenshot says

[onyx storm]

but when you join it says multiplayer is not supported

[night fractal]

because it's not

even with multiplayer fix mod it was stull buggy

[lean drum]

So chat, im on yharon in infernum and my PC drops to like 10 fps against yharon, any advice?

[night fractal]

hey

[humble marlin]

who the fuck is that

[wheat radish]

astrum deez nuts

[humble marlin]

weird DoG p2 + deus

[wheat radish]

it's astrum deez nuts

[humble marlin]

reddit humor

[night fractal]

clearly

you've yet to see the best gif ever

[fading dove]

wholesome 100

[humble marlin]

show me o-o

[fading dove]

what if they added big chungus to calamity

[night fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/711268703991365642/1381276135689818224/image0-2.gif

[fading dove]

how was that even done

[humble marlin]

what the fuck

i saw pw's head lol

[fading dove]

are segments outside a certain range culled or smth

like how many segments is that

[cursive bane]

Is there any tips for avoiding the homing orbs moon lord spawns? I cant seem to get around both sets in his arena

[night fractal]

well

mine has 500 segments

but only one NPC

[fair geode]

absolute dogshit of a base lmao

i need to learn to build

[humble sleet]

does anyone know where to get the depth crusher in infernum? the infernum wiki does not mention the depth crusher as a part of the abyss rework

[fading dove]

thats because viperfish still spawn

[lean drum]

is there anyt way to reduce lag against infernum yharon

[fading dove]

reduced graphics config

[humble sleet]

viperfish still spawn? i cant find any

[fading dove]

well ive seen em a bunch

[humble sleet]

in the abyss?

[fading dove]

yeah

here's one

and another

i think you've just had bad luck

[humble sleet]

so they are like in the third layer? like the thin trenches?

[fading dove]

second and third layers

here's two together

[night fractal]

in action

[humble sleet]

im finding them now

so they still drop the depth crusher?

[fading dove]

yeah

[humble marlin]

big worm

[vital mulch]

im scared

[limber sage]

that's whild

wild*

I think there's somethin wrong with me in my run

I beat BoC on the second attempt, I'm currently on attempt 51 on EoW

then again, the fact it's a one hit kill if it bites you is absurd

[night fractal]

this would be a peak pet

[limber sage]

hell nah

I can't imagine how difficult it would make seeing things

[fading dove]

calval dog pet

[limber sage]

wait, what if you somehow managed to make it do this with dyes on it's whole body?

now that'd make it hard to see

[fading dove]

what the fuck

[limber sage]

yeah idk

[latent lily]

can some1 help me im playing calamity with wraith of the gods i killed skeletron heard a sound and i cant find the npc or her campsite anywhere and shes not moving in any fix?

[fair geode]

i think i killed him too fast lmao

[limber sage]

FINALLY. why was EoW so much worse than freakin BoC

[latent lily]

what does a star has fallen from the heavens mean

[fading dove]

have you played calamity

[latent lily]

yea

is that default calamity

[fading dove]

yes

[latent lily]

dang

[fading dove]

it means the astral infection is real now

[latent lily]

i was hoping it was for wraith of the gods cause the npc isnt spawning no matter what

i havent played in like a yr so i forgot

[fair geode]

did you make the world after downloading the mod

[latent lily]

no

[fair geode]

theres your answer

[latent lily]

?

[fair geode]

worlds gotta be made with wotg enabled for it to work

[latent lily]

i meant yes

[night fractal]

then you're screwed without cheat mods

i think

[latent lily]

i dont have any

[night fractal]

yeah

you can't fix it without cheat mods i don't think

even with them i'm not sure how

[latent lily]

o

:C

[fair geode]

unless they cheat in the seeds it wont work

cause when solyn tries to tp to dungeon when you tell her you killed cv she teleports to the top left corner of the map and promply slowly falls out of it

[latent lily]

so

will she be in top left corner still?

[fair geode]

wait that might just be for permas house

[latent lily]

or close

[fair geode]

shes outside of the map when she does that

[latent lily]

oh

[tired harness]

How i can optimize infernum to my trash pc?(I use 30+ mods Qol😟)

[latent lily]

u could turn off shaders if u got those

[tired harness]

I play whit low quality

[latent lily]

same

um

[fading dove]

download lights and shadows

trust me it actually works

when set to trippy on both, it gives an improvement of ~10fps

[tired harness]

Isn't that a shader???? If i remember

[humble marlin]

only use 4 QoL

[fading dove]

it optimises terraria's lighting engine

[humble marlin]

big modlists fuck over your performance

[fading dove]

this is true

small modlist good

[tired harness]

One of the Qol i use Is: recipe browser, mágic builder, mágic storage, alchemist npc, infinite boss summons, shorter Respawn, auto reforge, boss intros, boss checklist, boss cursor, And much More like that

[lucid cypress]

you can just use dragonlens npc menu to spawn her

she has the same dialogue as when she lands

[tired harness]

What i can change?

[spare holly]

its permas

[lucid cypress]

the sinister halibut cannon on a worm boss:

[spare holly]

you can acc follow her up to the dungeon

[limber sage]

ok

[humble marlin]

??????

[fair geode]

ah

i mean still

locked out of progress

[limber sage]

idk if I want to continue using this weapon in my run right now

[spare holly]

but she'll just stand there in the entrance till shes off your screen and then she tps to the rift

[limber sage]

it's totally gonna trivialize a ton of stuff

[fair geode]

bloodfire halibut fucks your frames

[lucid cypress]

ive done dozens of playthroughs with all sorts of mods and never lagged once but the fucking halibut cannon dude

[fair geode]

just as it fucks the worms

[lucid cypress]

tears my pc apart

[tired harness]

How i can optimize my Qol mods?(30+😭)

[limber sage]

wouldn't god slayer slugs make it worse?

[humble marlin]

on it

[spare holly]

dont use qol

[fair geode]

idk

[lucid cypress]

does less dps than dratornalius vs worms is the funniest thing

[fair geode]

i just know halibloodfire melts worms

[spare holly]

why do you even need half of those

[humble marlin]

list:
Quality of terraria (go trough mod config)
magic storage
fargos mutant mod
ore excavator
you dont need anything else

[lucid cypress]

i cant live without my auto reforge

[humble marlin]

QoT has it

nerd

[lucid cypress]

i want to be interacting with that blue cuck as little as possible

[tired harness]

And for optimization?(High fps support, lag remover, frenetic, etc) Or that only Make the game More lag

[tired harness]

And recipe browser

[humble marlin]

you can get those
idk aby optimization mod ngl

[humble marlin]

oy yeah that ones essential

[tired harness]

And alchemist npc? @humble marlin i am really bad to create potions

[fading dove]

alchnpc bad

[humble marlin]

use prismas pristine potions over alch npc

[fading dove]

^

[fair geode]

so real

[night fractal]

you can fix that via dragonlens

it's just

complicated

I fixed solyn not spawning via dragonlens system editor in my world

[fair geode]

hm

how did you add permas house tho

[feral trellis]

guys i beat infernum exos

[lofty mist]

[feral trellis]

are all the combinations equally hard

[lofty mist]

Pretty sure Thanatos plus twins is hardest but it might be Thanatos plus ares

[feral trellis]

cuz i feel like twins + ares are easier than the other 2 combinations

[lofty mist]

I don’t remember, I just know it’s whatever plus big worm

[feral trellis]

thanatos + twins is actually pretty easy for me
except for when ares shows up afterward and spams so many projectiles i die instantly

[lofty mist]

That tends to be the case for most players

[lofty mist]

Yeah than + twins are easy alone.

It’s ares when he goes to solo you that’s a problem

[feral trellis]

thanatos and ares is a bit laggy

so my wing acceleration is really bad

[lofty mist]

I use tracers

Because I not smart

:3

[feral trellis]

tracers arent really bad for exos or calamitas i feel like

you dont need that much flight time

unlike with yharon

[lofty mist]

Wings are defo better for scal, you’re not gonna be on the ground that much needing that horizontal speed

[lofty mist]

I used tracers for yharon

I am crazy

[feral trellis]

everyone told me not to use tracers so i used silva wings

[lofty mist]

[lofty mist]

PERSONALLY I think it’s up to preference for Yharon.

[fair geode]

thana ares is hardest on your game lmao

[lofty mist]

Just gotta watch flight time a bit more

I’ve been trying to do exos for over a month, I’m burnt out though and can’t bring myself to do it

[feral trellis]

i love the attack that thanatos and ares do together

[lofty mist]

Only 86 attempts

[feral trellis]

it was like this for me on yharon then i found out how broken the sdfmg is

[lofty mist]

Farthest I can get is ares + twins and then killing Thanatos

Then back to the 2v1 I cave and die

[feral trellis]

i only use glass cannon builds cuz im bad at the game

[lofty mist]

I found out how broken the Orderbringer was against infernum yharon

No wonder they’re moving it to post yharon

[feral trellis]

i switched to summoner today actually once i realized how strong the auric tesla summoner helmet is

[lofty mist]

At least if I remember what they said right

[lofty mist]

Summoner has insane dps, it’s literally just dodging which you’re doing anyway in infernum

[feral trellis]

also a bunch of thorium accessories for damage

[lofty mist]

Facetanking doesn’t exist on infernum once you hit DoG

You survive MAYBE one more hit with a normal loadout

[feral trellis]

i still havent done ramdashless dog

and im kind of afraid to even try

[lofty mist]

I played all of cal without qol and made it to moon lord on infernum before finally using prismas potions so I could buy potions

[feral trellis]

well actually i could use that one item from thorium that makes me run at 200 mph but thats cheating

[lofty mist]

Got so tired of grinding tears for potions

With as many deaths as you rack up on infernum

Dog took over 300 attempts

[feral trellis]

is the 30 potion thing a calamity thing or fargos mutant thing

[lofty mist]

You’re out of your fucking mind if you think I’m grinding for over 300 of every potion

[lofty mist]

Mutant

I don’t like the 30 stack buffs so I installed prismas

Which is literally only buying potions

No 30 stack, no new content

Can’t buy healing sadly

[feral trellis]

i hate pressing a buff button so i just have like 40 buffs active at all times

cuz i can keep the potions in my piggy bank

[lofty mist]

It’s useful, I personally just don’t like it

I’m weird

[feral trellis]

the thorium potions are kinda broken

theres one that increases your attack speed

which is kind of a big deal

[raven vapor]

calamity and thorium arent really intended to be played with each other

so it makes sense why it looks broken

[lofty mist]

Yeah

Not saying you can’t, more content is more content

It might make progression feel unbalanced though

[feral trellis]

i still wouldve gotten as far as i am now without thorium it just wouldve taken like an extra week

[raven vapor]

there are some unnoficial bridge mods

[feral trellis]

yeah i noticed primordials were post providence in the boss checklist but i beat them pre moon lord so the stuff lasted until after dog💀

[raven vapor]

you might have heard of "unofficial calamity bard and healer"

[feral trellis]

yeah i have that installed

(i havent tried bard or healer ever)

(i probably wont ever try them)

[spring ravine]

js beat ml what should I change? (Using sdmg w/ luminite bullets)

[lofty mist]

Front facing vortex helmet jumpscare

[raven vapor]

get asgard valor over master ninga gear

[spring ravine]

what should I put in the empty access slot

[lofty mist]

Menacing step stool

[feral trellis]

i just realized cd music is that guy from geometry dash

the crossovers are crazy

[fading dove]

not really

[feral trellis]

i was looking at a mario kart world record the other day and realized it was technical like the guy who verified zodiac

[fading dove]

heart of the master over literally anything here

wait no

my bad

starboard over wings imo

[night fractal]

update: invoked stargod segments now deal and take damage properly

they also all share iframes with the head

[spring ravine]

I have an empty slot post-inf ml what should I put in it (ranged)

[lofty mist]

I used tracers

[fading dove]

for context here's elysian wings

which also have a bonus 10% movespeed

notice how elysian tracers (post dog) are comparable to elysian wings (pre dog)

[spring ravine]

so thats why everybody tells me not to use tracers

[fading dove]

seraph tracers are the best because one boss it can be used on likes rungodding and the other has a small arena
this isnt to say theyre good, its that they're the least shit

[night fractal]

Sorted by accel

[lofty mist]

I know they’re better

I’m just mentally insane

[crimson hamlet]

Have there been any legit kills of zenith seed Nameless Deity

[fading dove]

what do you mean by legit

[crimson hamlet]

No cheats

[fading dove]

there have been a few

[crimson hamlet]

Okay

[fading dove]

both pre and post ice rod

im not sure if the garden allows building anymore

i know it did in 1.1

[crimson hamlet]

I only found one on YouTube and it seems to be cheated because as Myra puts it herself in the comments, he’s taking way too little damage for his loadout

He’s also got cheat sheet enabled which just isn’t a good look

[fading dove]

did they instantly heal to full at any point in the fight

[crimson hamlet]

Idk

I didn’t watch much

Because it’s so painfully obvious that something is off

I think he took like 10 damage from one attack

Also are AoE or Mars changed

I’m asking cause my insane friend is doing it rn as his first wotg experience

[wheat radish]

they should buff the tracers fr

[fading dove]

aoe is

[crimson hamlet]

Yeah ik he’s not the brightest

[crimson hamlet]

How so

Is it confirmed possible

[fading dove]

friend :)

pls dont hurt your friend

[crimson hamlet]

Tracers don’t need a buff they’re perfectly viable as a role compression option

[south socket]

Isnt Nameless deity like. One of the hardest bosses even with end game terraria calamity armor?

[fading dove]

friend will be sad 🥺

[crimson hamlet]

No

[fading dove]

outside of gfb absolutely not

[wheat radish]

they suck compared to the wings they're crafted from

[south socket]

Oh fun.

[fading dove]

nameless isnt even meant to be hard

[crimson hamlet]

I’m literally labeled “dickhead :thumb:” by him

[wheat radish]

like I have an urge to get a wing slot just because of this and I loathe wing slots

[crimson hamlet]

Me calling him a dumbass is par for the course

[fading dove]

its not like boots are useful in postml

[crimson hamlet]

They are

I literally only use tracers post ml

[fading dove]

you're spending 80%+ of the time fighting in the air

like on prov

[crimson hamlet]

Me when platforms exist

[crimson hamlet]

Okay only exception

[fading dove]

and dog

and yharon

and scal

and exos

[crimson hamlet]

I use platforms for those three

And exos

[fading dove]

and jared

and old duke

and polter

[crimson hamlet]

Jared is just stupidly easy by the time you fight him

I hope you realize that I use platforms + tracers for all of those fights lol

[wheat radish]

the numerous different buffs kinda sre

[fading dove]

everyone uses platforms

[crimson hamlet]

Except provi

[fading dove]

theyre to refresh flight time

[crimson hamlet]

And if I’m using platforms I’m using tracers

[fading dove]

hell, sometimes they're an active detriment

they massively limit your downwards speed

[wheat radish]

are*

what am I just supposed to get wings and tracers in vanity/functional slots then swap between for bosses and non boss stuff

[crimson hamlet]

Instant platform falling mods (they are qol fight me)

[fading dove]

the game is not balanced around it

[crimson hamlet]

Besides they’re balanced by the fact of instantly falling through a platform doesn’t refresh flight time

[crimson hamlet]

It’s really not too different

Like I could cut the mod and my Strats would still be intact

Which is why I consider it qol

[fading dove]

to fall through platforms in vanilla, you have to deal with inconsistent collision and the inability to have campfires or other stations

[crimson hamlet]

Well this isn’t vanilla-?

[fading dove]

its also not changed in any difficulty

[crimson hamlet]

Also any station can be placed on platforms

[fading dove]

unless you invest focus into flashing certain mounts

furniture can't be placed on stairs

[crimson hamlet]

Hell, banners can be placed ONLY on platforms

[fading dove]

no?????????????????????

[crimson hamlet]

Wait sorry

[fading dove]

banners being placed on platforms was added in 1.4.4.9

[crimson hamlet]

Outdated info

[crimson hamlet]

Huh?

[fading dove]

well non downward platforms

[crimson hamlet]

I coulda sworn it was only on platforms before 1.4

[fading dove]

which was added in 1.4.4 iirc

[crimson hamlet]

I’m talking about strictly unhammered platforms

Guys help I can’t talk him out of gfb wrath of the gods

[stiff coral]

Any tips for Infernum SCal?

[crimson hamlet]

What class

[stiff coral]

Ranger or Summoner

[crimson hamlet]

Wdym or

[night fractal]

Yea

Which don't let you instant fall

[wheat radish]

you can put banners on platforms?

[stiff coral]

I mean I have a loadout for both

[crimson hamlet]

So even with or without instant fall mods

My strategies involving tons of platforms still work

Cause I’ve done em with and without

[night fractal]

Sure

anyway

[crimson hamlet]

Wdym sure

[night fractal]

it was not sarcasm

[crimson hamlet]

All I was saying is tracers are fine as is and don’t need a buff. If you buff them, it defeats the purpose of a role compression item

[crimson hamlet]

Okies thanks for clarifying

[night fractal]

Tracers are pretty much categorically worse than wings usually

[crimson hamlet]

That is the idea right?

[night fractal]

Except horizontal accel or when stacking super move speed

[night fractal]

Counting running they are pretty much categorically worse

Running is slower than flying

[crimson hamlet]

Role compression is you’re combining two effects into one accessory slot (in this case), at the cost of it’s not as good as their original items’ effectiveness

[night fractal]

just fly a couple blocks off the ground

[patent girder]

eowww

[night fractal]

and you go faster

[crimson hamlet]

Running is better than flying to me

[patent girder]

wrongg

i heart fluing

[crimson hamlet]

It’s slower but by no means slow

[night fractal]

yeah

[stiff coral]

Soooo

[night fractal]

but it is just objectively worse in most situations

[crimson hamlet]

And flying isn’t faster to the point to where you get an insane edge

[patent girder]

flying is better by stats and shit

[night fractal]

Especially when so many bosses favor flight time and speed

like good flight time and vertical speed makes rev/death DoG kiteable

Yharon limits horizontal by arena nature

[patent girder]

im excitedd for caalamaity update

[crimson hamlet]

It’s like having a 5 damage weapon and a 9 damage weapon against a 10 hp enemy. Yeah, the 9 damage weapon seems better, till you realize they both take 2 shots to kill the 10 hp enemy

That’s the best example I can think of lol

And it’s shit I know

[night fractal]

how is that comparable

[crimson hamlet]

Because while one is technically worse, they can both get the job done equally as good

[night fractal]

the thing is they don't get the same results, unlike that

[spring ravine]

best weapon and ammo for guardians and providence?

[limber sage]

is there a trick to finding roxcalibur?

[night fractal]

Vertical speed especially unlocks more options for movement

[stable siren]

-596503 ?

[crimson hamlet]

Btw I would like to mention that I’m excluding provi from this because provi is a giant fuck you to boots

And infernum golem

[night fractal]

It generates near the left edge. It checks each column going rightward for sword rubble

[night fractal]

Maybe inf provi

yeah

[crimson hamlet]

But yeah boots are just as viable they just take more setup

[night fractal]

base provi is very boot friendly

[crimson hamlet]

Which as a vanilla player at heart is entirely fine to me

[limber sage]

time to play Namco's 1982 classic game

[night fractal]

Not just as viable, but they are totally viable

[stiff coral]

How good is the Surge Driver against SCal?

[night fractal]

anyway

[limber sage]

in order to find this elusive blade

[night fractal]

Get ready for the secret mets

Meta

[crimson hamlet]

With a proper arena, they are just as viable with some exceptions

[night fractal]

no they're objectively worse, they cannot be just as viable

[crimson hamlet]

Like if you build your arena around it you could probably do some bosses wingless

Actually most bosses

[patent girder]

meowww

[night fractal]

Yes but that does not make it equally viable

[crimson hamlet]

Yeah it does

[night fractal]

No

[crimson hamlet]

If it can do the exact same job

That’s the definition of equally viable

[night fractal]

Viability is not a yes/no

No

[patent girder]

hey doze cab we g t a spoiler

[night fractal]

Exact same job with same effort

Is equally viable

If one is easier it's more viable

[crimson hamlet]

Are cal players like allergic to making an arena

Cause I swear it takes like 3 minutes

[night fractal]

that is irrelevant to what I am saying

[crimson hamlet]

That’s the only extra effort boots require

[stiff coral]

In what way does making an arena take only 3 minutes

[night fractal]

I don't disagree that tracers are perfectly viable

[wheat radish]

arenas are less fun than "summon boss, go kill"

[night fractal]

however

Wings are absolutely more viable

[crimson hamlet]

When you know what you’re doing

[stiff coral]

also I do make an arena, Cal is just balanced around being in the air for a long time

[night fractal]

I can't place 400 platforms in 3 minutes

[stiff coral]

Tracers are worse BECAUSE of the lower flight time

[night fractal]

without mods

[crimson hamlet]

I can

Like excluding qol

[night fractal]

or without just

Okay actually

400 is too little anyway

[crimson hamlet]

Like I thought I was over exaggerating but I think 3 minutes is pretty decent

[night fractal]

600 is probably more accurate

[crimson hamlet]

Plus I can just expand on the arena

For every boss that needs it

[night fractal]

I think an arena usually takes more like

[crimson hamlet]

Flight time don’t mean shit

[night fractal]

10 minutes

[stiff coral]

. . .

I beg to differ

[crimson hamlet]

I touch the ground for a second and I get it all back

[fading dove]

flight time lets you not rely on the ground as much

[crimson hamlet]

Well why would I bother when I’m making an arena anyways

I will have as much ground as I need why go out of my way to avoid it

[wheat radish]

literally who cares its more cool to make the tracer upgrades and thats what matters

[fading dove]

because some bosses require staying in one spot for extended periods of time

longer than you have flight for

[wheat radish]

exobox

[stiff coral]

Because, Tracers are meh

[wheat radish]

fr

or one of the flying mounts

[stiff coral]

also is Surge Driver good against SCal infernum

[crimson hamlet]

Tracers are literally amazing and I’ll die on that hill

[fading dove]

sometimes they require incredible ascension

[crimson hamlet]

Me when I make my arena taller:

[stiff coral]

I feel like you're missing the point

[fading dove]

like my dog strat entirely requires both soaring and ascendant insignia's flight time

[wheat radish]

I can get incredible ascension prehm with slime mount and a bohb

[crimson hamlet]

YOUR

[stiff coral]

Tracers are better if you have to run, and can afford to be on the ground a lot

[crimson hamlet]

also I fight dog with tracers all the time lol

[fading dove]

its also the strat required for my circumstances

[stiff coral]

Also what's your strategy?

[crimson hamlet]

Literally the only time I take the tracers off is provi

[fading dove]

uhhhh

[crimson hamlet]

Idk what the surge driver is I’m ngl

[stiff coral]

Exo twins drop

[wheat radish]

the tracers stay on during bossfights

[crimson hamlet]

And that’s assuming I remember tbh

[fading dove]

https://youtu.be/JUMk8QBT8mI?t=35

[crimson hamlet]

Half the time I just leave them on and shred the boss anyways because infernum provi is a joke

A really fun boss

But a joke to beat

[fading dove]

hell, i straight up run out of flight time on the dash chain preceding laser web

because its the earliest opportunity i have to deal meaningful damage with rippers

[stiff coral]

Ahhh

[crimson hamlet]

Why does everyone damage max on infernum Devourer

[stiff coral]

Yeah I just use more platforms

[stiff coral]

Simple

[fading dove]

vulnerability hex's flight time reduction is very much meaningful

[crimson hamlet]

Like it’s not required and it’s not even fun

[stiff coral]

damage maxing is really helpful

[crimson hamlet]

It’s not

[stiff coral]

. . .

[crimson hamlet]

The only times I’ve beaten infernum dog is by taking the fight slow

[stiff coral]

I feel like you watched sorbet cafe's video on defense and treat it as gospel-

[crimson hamlet]

Prioritizing keeping myself alive over making him dead

[crimson hamlet]

Idek who that is lmfao

[stiff coral]

Also you still get 2 shotted

[fading dove]

sorbet cafe kinda sucks ngl

[wheat radish]

can I kill you now

[fading dove]

immediately dismisses accessories because they have 3 lines of dialogue

[crimson hamlet]

Me when like 25 hp/s regen

[crimson hamlet]

Based as fuck?

[wheat radish]

I like silly youtuber

[fading dove]

complains because accessories tell you what they do in a comprehensive and detailed while still consise way

[crimson hamlet]

Well the absorber kinda makes it convoluted

[fading dove]

wants the community's tooltip to just be something like "increases stats"

[crimson hamlet]

The last line should just say 5% Dr and not “5% of damage taken is converted to healing”

[fading dove]

its not 5% dr though

[crimson hamlet]

Unless in practice there’s a difference

Cause on paper that’s the exact same thing

[fading dove]

it isn't affected by dr scaling

[crimson hamlet]

Ah

[fading dove]

it gets blocked by moon bite

[crimson hamlet]

Oh I didn’t think of that

[fading dove]

im pretty sure it gets blocked by moon bite

[crimson hamlet]

Also what’s dr scaling

[fading dove]

theres not really a lot that inflicts it

cal makes dr nonlinear

[crimson hamlet]

Oh yeah

[fading dove]

the more dr you have the less you get

[crimson hamlet]

I forgot

Because damage reduction is the problem yeah

Not the 100 defense pre hardmode

Dr is too hard to stack to crazy amounts to be properly abused imo

[onyx storm]

oh okay thanks

[stiff coral]

Anyways

any tips for Infernum SCal

[onyx storm]

average calamity worm boss

that build can NOT be optimal

[fading dove]

this with 1 warding is 50% dr

[crimson hamlet]

wtf is that first accessory

[fading dove]

worm scarf

[stiff coral]

Fargo I assume?

[fading dove]

yeah

hasnt been updated for clinger eow and ichor boc

[crimson hamlet]

Also to be fair, a) it’s melee they kinda need a ton of tankiness, and b) that’s solar flare armor, which is vanilla post game so like

Expect it to be pretty broken

[fading dove]

its nerfed in cal

[stiff coral]

How good is Surge Driver against SCal btw?

[fading dove]

this is taking into account the nerf

[crimson hamlet]

then nerf it more?!?!?!

[fading dove]

i think its like alright

im not super sure

[stiff coral]

Cal nerfed the insignia

To not give infinite flight

[crimson hamlet]

That’s deserved

[stiff coral]

Still miss it

[crimson hamlet]

Well kinda

Cal killed it

[stiff coral]

I love that accessory

[crimson hamlet]

Like it’s genuinely shit in calamity

Mostly because the movement candle exists

[fading dove]

candles have opportunity cost

by running weightless, you can't run vigorous or resilient

[crimson hamlet]

Not the opportunity cost of an entire accessory slot

[uncut swan]

any tips for profaned guardians? im a mage, solo, with nebula set, nuclear fury, and nebula wings, angel treads, community, sigil of calamitas, arcane flower, asgards valor, and blood pact. im 150 attempts in and im SO locked in but ive only gotten the last one to 50k once or twice

(on infernum)

[stiff coral]

Best ranged weapon for SCal?

[crimson hamlet]

Doesn’t really matter because weightless is the only decent one

[fading dove]

no idea

[fading dove]

both vigorous and resilient are incredibly strong

one makes bulky builds even stronger and the other is good healing

[stiff coral]

Ok best summoner line up then?

[crimson hamlet]

Also congratulations, assuming you’re playing without wing slot or any other extra slot mods, you have now sacrificed 2 entire slots to 17% dr. You only have what, 4 to work with now? Cause you have 5 but one has to go to wings, whether tracers or just regular wings

Tis what I meant by hard to run

[fading dove]

24%

not 17%

worm scarf is 14%, bloody scarf is 10%

[crimson hamlet]

Oh I thought worm scarf was nerfed to 7% for some reason

[wheat radish]

was gonna ask wtf u mean about 50% dr before realizing solarflare was in the mix there

[crimson hamlet]

Also solar is broken regardless that’s not nearly a fair comparison

It is genuinely leagues above any other lunar armor

(Vanilla melee in general is but hey)

[fading dove]

nebula

stardust

[stiff coral]

Ain't no way I just got her to last phase after switching to summoner-

Well figured out my line up

[fading dove]

70% dr

directly postml

[stiff coral]

Cosmic Immaterializer, 3 mirrors, and lilies

[fading dove]

thats how much it would be if there wasn't scaling

[wheat radish]

they nerfed the hell out of solar flare in calamity

[fading dove]

functionally 43%

[wheat radish]

cosmic immaterializer is mid iirc

[fading dove]

20% -> 25%

[crimson hamlet]

Okay if you’re running that pure defense build you deserve it

[wheat radish]

what

[crimson hamlet]

Because congrats you have zero offense

[wheat radish]

oh

shield gives more dr

[fading dove]

oh wait i forgot to mention potions

80% dr

[wheat radish]

but it also doesn't have the 12% initial dr

endurance gives 10%

right

?

[fading dove]

yeah

[wheat radish]

is ironskin even useful there

its just 6 or 8 def

[crimson hamlet]

Potions are balanced around the fact that they’re annoying to get. So with mods that make them easier to get

Uh yeah I’ll give it to you

[fading dove]

12 postml

[wheat radish]

mutant mod uwu

[stiff coral]

Ok then what do I use instead

[wheat radish]

ngl I've never done summoner lmfao

I just hear its mid and it looks lame

[stiff coral]

I'm using summoner for my final 3 bosses (exos, SCal, and Goozma)

[wheat radish]

go to #help-advice-read-pins for better advice

[stiff coral]

I've used Ranged for the rest of the game

[wheat radish]

bc im stupid

[stiff coral]

I'm specifically talking about infernum

[limber sage]

summons for goozma, scal, and goozma?

err exos

wow, brain just fried

lmfao

[cursive bane]

Xd

[limber sage]

ares exo skeleton, Lillies, and if you can, 3 mechworm

[wheat radish]

oh

[stiff coral]

Already did Exos

[limber sage]

for goozma and scal

[stiff coral]

also I didn't do Ares last. . .

because I hate Ares

[wheat radish]

go back to ranger to kill ares last

[stiff coral]

Fuck him

[crimson hamlet]

Ares has the potential to be so fun but it’s so boring because electric is simply too good

[wheat radish]

bc summoner is hell to do that

[crimson hamlet]

Ares last is genuinely such a bitch to do as well

[stiff coral]

May I make a suggestion

[limber sage]

only as a summoner is it annoying

[stiff coral]

Than Ares with Halibut

Kill than with the halibut cannon

(than has been hunted to extinction by that fish)

[cursive bane]

Is summoner really that bad in post ml infernum?

[wheat radish]

idk

[limber sage]

no

[wheat radish]

kevin vs jared when

[limber sage]

it's really good

[cursive bane]

Ok

[limber sage]

stupidly good really

it's just summons don't like to attack thanatos at all

and ares drops the best summon for scal if killed last

[cursive bane]

Hmmmm

[limber sage]

but since summons focus hunters/ares a whole ton

then...yeah

[cursive bane]

Is there any other bosses that I should be worried about for post ml? im finaly getting 3 eyes down constantly

[stiff coral]

GOT TO DESPERATION PHASE

[limber sage]

worried about/ not really

[stiff coral]

LETS GO

also the fuck do y'all mean Immaterializer is mid-

[limber sage]

virid vanguard carries to yharon (post provi weapon)

and old duke gives the second best sentry

[stiff coral]

What's the best sentry?

[limber sage]

iirc it's the turret from thanatos

[crimson hamlet]

Welcome to the worst desp phase in existence

[cursive bane]

I find sentrys to kinda be meh. Im bout stop using then on ml cause I mix his projectiles w my sentry also xd

[stiff coral]

Tips for it?

[crimson hamlet]

Try and time it

Make sure you’re at decent health with potion off cooldown

Like genuinely stall out for it if you need

Contrary to popular belief you don’t have to speedrun

[wheat radish]

make a tanky mobility build and swap to it fr fr

but what red says is probably best

get to high hp before triggering it

[crimson hamlet]

Summoner is bad in that regard

[wheat radish]

real

can he despawn his minions by switching to an empty loadout and back then manually disabling the last buff(s)

[crimson hamlet]

No

Cause you have one by default

[limber sage]

summoner has a built in revive you know

[crimson hamlet]

What

[limber sage]

auric summoner and mage both have built in revives

silva armour

[crimson hamlet]

Oh

[stiff coral]

Yeah

[crimson hamlet]

Me who uses godslayer auric

[stiff coral]

And last attempt it got used during brothers

[wheat radish]

thats why I said disable the buff

[crimson hamlet]

(That dash is such a get out of jail free card)

[stiff coral]

That attempt being the desperation attempt

[stiff coral]

Ehhh, I never liked it tbh

[limber sage]

I used the dash for gfb yharon

on my rogue

[cursive bane]

So what do yall mean when yall say desperation phase? Is it smthn post ml bosses do?

[limber sage]

it's a thing that happens in lots of games

boss is 'dead' but it has one final move before perishing

to try and take you with them

[wheat radish]

when they reach death they decide "nah I dont wanna die"

and unleash a final hellish attack that you just have to survive

to win

[limber sage]

it used to be a pretty common trope

[wheat radish]

and if you die then THEY dont die for some reason and instead despawn

[limber sage]

yup

[wheat radish]

bc logic

[crimson hamlet]

To me, the difference between another phase and a desp phase is that desp phase is once their health is zero

[wheat radish]

but thats just logic

RE-logic

[crimson hamlet]

So like infernum Devourer’s 20% is a third phase

Because you still have to kill him

And infernum twins is another phase

[wheat radish]

I would say if they're critically low like 5% and their attacks are going insane then thats desperation

[crimson hamlet]

Scal is desperation because it’s not based on health it’s based on a timer

[wheat radish]

otherwise no

ngl its like two categories

[crimson hamlet]

Nah if it’s not timer based it’s not desp to me

[wheat radish]

the final stand which is the ones where hp = 0 and u just need to live

the desperation phase is where they're going all out bc they're "desperate"

[crimson hamlet]

That’s a rage phase

[cursive bane]

Is there any desperation phases pre moon lord? For refrence?

[crimson hamlet]

Cultist

Cal shadow has a fake-out desperation phase

Which is funny as fuck the first time

[cursive bane]

Wha he has one?

Huh

Wierd

[wheat radish]

yeah i think its just a bunch of bullet spam

iirc

[fading dove]

spam isnt neatly ordered

i saw that

[wheat radish]

bullet hell

[crimson hamlet]

Are those good times?

[fading dove]

for prov yeah

pretty sure its good on dragonfolly too

[wheat radish]

slick cane

[fading dove]

prov didn't see all of p1 and died right before the loop point of p2

[cursive bane]

Does ml have a desperation phase?

Or can I just hope I kill him fast enough I hopefully dont get hit to much

[wheat radish]

nope

I don't think so

[cursive bane]

Cool

[fading dove]

only a few bosses do

iirc its just cultist, polter, 2/3 of exos, and scal

[wheat radish]

only lunatic cultist, scal, uhh

[cursive bane]

Now just to find where my skill issue is hiding

[wheat radish]

oh right polter

[fading dove]

thanatos doesn't have a desp

desps involve the boss dying after its done

thanatos repeats it if you don't kill it

[wheat radish]

also why is thanatos so fking weak with the gamma beam

that shit is piss easy to dodge

[fading dove]

its more of a 100% maximum no chill

[wheat radish]

at least the main beam

[fading dove]

after one cycle of it is done, it opens all of its segments for 5 seconds to cool off and then do it again

a good weapon should be able to kill thana in 5 seconds considering it doesn't have any dr

or defence i think

[wheat radish]

they should make it start losing hp without opening segments

as it overheats

that would be cool

[fading dove]

oh no it does have 100 defence

oh yeah dog gets pierce resist in inf

[wheat radish]

I thought all worms had piercing resistance

[fading dove]

nope

[wheat radish]

boss worms*

[fading dove]

basecal dog doesnt for some reason

[wheat radish]

weird

[fading dove]

i guess they its just because they made him absurdly tanky

[cursive bane]

Deus was fun fight sorry random thing

[fading dove]

and assumed 50 defence 92.5% dr was enough to keep him safe

but inf dog is so fucking aggressive

[wheat radish]

piercing weapons:

yeah that would lead to a lot of getting pierce huts

hits

[fading dove]

basecal dog doesn't have to deal with the might of true melee or coiling

honestly its probably because of coiling

14% of inf dog's hp in a single dash

not a hyperbole

with just elysian aegis

no slagsplitter or ambergris or asgardian aegis

on tier

i do not believe dog has any other defensive changes besides the pierce resist

apparently the eidolists make a sound?

[cursive bane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[feral trellis]

the what beam

[wheat radish]

is this gfb

[fading dove]

i didnt realise that inf destroyer's big orb was red stratus sphere

[fading dove]

no its just called that

[wheat radish]

bro 😭

[limber sage]

it's been awhile since I played souls but

is devi supposed to be so damn tiny?

like, she's smaller than the angler

[grave basin]

Hey guys, what recommended addons do you guys play with calamity? It's been a year or two since I played calamity and planning to play Infernum for the first time but not sure what addons people recommend

[crimson hamlet]

Idk I never play souls

[limber sage]

wrath of the empress, wrath of the machines, wrath of the gods, catalyst

[crimson hamlet]

I realized what I don’t like about souls mainly

The imbalance of content that’s added

Souls is like 90% accessories

Which isn’t a bad thing

But not my thing

[crimson hamlet]

What even is wotm

[limber sage]

fargo souls exo mechs

[crimson hamlet]

Oh

[limber sage]

literally best exo mech fight ever

[crimson hamlet]

Yeah that’s the only good fargo’s calamity fight imo

[limber sage]

cryogen is pretty good

[crimson hamlet]

Other than that, Fargo’s calamity fights just pale in comparison to Infernum and are only preferable to Infernum if you have photosensitivity issues

[crimson hamlet]

I’m ngl I’ve never found a good Cryogen

They’re all way more tanky than they have a right to be

[limber sage]

souls cryogen isn't really cryogen

[crimson hamlet]

I get it he’s a prison but Jesus

[limber sage]

it's even better

[crimson hamlet]

Ik

No it’s not

He’s tanky AND fast as hell

[limber sage]

well, you don't even fight cryogen really in fargo souls

[crimson hamlet]

You do

[limber sage]

you break the prison, then fight the prisoner

[crimson hamlet]

He’s got another name but he’s still Cryogen to me

And god he’s annoying as hell

[limber sage]

it's the npc permafrost

[crimson hamlet]

I know it is

He uses the items he sells you

But that’s not the bad part

The bad part is

He fucking won’t die

[limber sage]

the only attack i have issues with is the shotgun into ram dash

[crimson hamlet]

He’s tanky as hell but moves around too much

Making me forced to run a homing weapon basically

But not all classes have homing at that point

And the ones that do, the homing weapons are pretty sub par

Idk all forms of Cryogen just take forever to kill

And it sucks

[limber sage]

come to think of it

I'm worried now

[crimson hamlet]

I think my first infernum Cryogen was like 4-5 minutes

Which is too long for an early hardmode boss

Post moon lord? That’s understandable

But mf I just want an ornate shield