calamity-addon-talk

[fiery mango]

ok how about

fighting polter as range/melee

[fading dove]

nope

[fiery mango]

thats what i have accessories for

[cursive bane]

So then just no pretty much

[fiery mango]

is anything better than superradiant slaughterer

[fading dove]

not super sure

superradiant is just kinda like that

[fiery mango]

: (

[smoky dock]

No not really

For all intents and purposes projectiles are always harmful

[cursive bane]

Darn ok

[humble marlin]

i feel like the only solution is running at the wall at 1200 kilometers per hour

[ornate trout]

* We are crunching bones!! We are feminests!!

[snow sun]

My hallow is in the jungle

[fading dove]

hallowed fountain makes hallow real

[snow sun]

Oh

I dumb

[fading dove]

nah fountains are really niche if you dont actively play with mutant mod

[snow sun]

Ok

[empty flame]

earth is shadowspec

it just looks like

miracle matter

but it aint

[fading dove]

earth may be shadowspec but it sucks

[empty flame]

this may be true

true melee!!

[fading dove]

just use bloodthirsty cosmic discharge if you want a tmelee weapon

[empty flame]

)haha!

[turbid glen]

is that coming closer?

[nimble wing]

The fog is coming.

[turbid glen]

i have the feeling that it was smaller

but i dont know

[fading dove]

where are your life fruit

[turbid glen]

i dont like life fruit

they are ugly

[fading dove]

miracle fruit is beautiful though

[turbid glen]

i dont like yellow

[turbid glen]

ow you are right

[fading dove]

🤤

[polar sedge]

MASO DEATH SCOURGE FIRST TRY!

[turbid glen]

NICE

[turbid glen]

tv girl

[polar sedge]

the current order of bosses i've killed so far

from right to left

[limber sage]

thorium, spirit, fargos, calamity...the hell is the third one from? And the 4th, I don't recognize those

[fading dove]

thorium :(

[fair geode]

you should be able to upgrade the cell factory so it makes them faster god damn

[polar sedge]

also spirits

[limber sage]

oh, jelly wizard from spirit but...the hecks lepus?

[polar sedge]

and consolaria

[limber sage]

ah

[limber sage]

is there no...issues with all those on at once?

[polar sedge]

so far?

doesn't seem like it

oh yeah

i also do have

um...

goozma, entropy, clamity and catalyst

[fading dove]

what the fuck

oh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080225456118321263/1390450004958777354/attachment.gif?ex=68684cfa&is=6866fb7a&hm=2ed6deb6754491f82f7f0e2bc12b48a40d24ddd569dc551ff4e264b6363f814e&

[night fractal]

set bonus slop goes hard

[fading dove]

just got my best attempt

[polar sedge]

so far the hardest boss has been...

maso death eye

took me the most attempts so far

[fading dove]

dot slurry

and like 30 frames of obstructed for good measure

[humble marlin]

im being turned into a starbucks slooshie

[fiery mango]

so i'm running into a dilemna

i am

genuinely not having fun right now

figthing polterghast

to a point where its like

do i just... swap back to rev for him

this fight

is atrocious on every level

i hate to be a debby downer, but infernum polter is genuinely so unfun to fight for me idk if anyone else feels that way

every attack feels less like its designed as an attack and more so just to piss you off

[dense ginkgo]

is this good for my evil spread trench

[fiery mango]

I will say, if I switch to Revengeance Polter here, it is highly likely I just never fight Infernum Polterghast again

There’s no point, I’ve fought him multiple times before, I’ve never once enjoyed it, and now every time I go back to it it’s the exact same issues, nothing left to say

Why would I intentionally fight a boss I know I hate?

I just wanna know if I’m overreacting about it

[tight iron]

No becuase of the V

just install Evil Begone

if you dont like biome spread

[limber sage]

^

[fiery mango]

[humble marlin]

no this reaction is completely valid

polters an asshole

[fiery mango]

Post Providence up until DoG just has the worst bosses Infernum has to offer one after the other but Polterghast really takes the cake

Many times in past I’ve decided not to run Infernum exclusively because it means I’d have to fight this boss

[long ledge]

Why is Infernum Polter an issue?

[fiery mango]

Now here I am again

And I remember exactly why that is

It’s a mix of like
Everything in the fight

The red projectiles that are super ridiculously tight, the lingering projectiles sticking around into his other attacks, the whole phase of him going up and down in general because it just wastes time,

He is just an annoying boss

[long ledge]

The up and down phase with its lingering projectiles is horrible, I give you that. But overall, I like Infernum Polter.

Even in Master Infernum

[fiery mango]

After so many runs I really just don’t have the patience for him anymore like I do other bosses

Guardians was really difficult, but not unenjoyabld

There’s no ounce of entertainment I can siphon from this boss anymore

[fair geode]

i wish that when you complete the codebreaker entirely it stops being a multiblock

[fiery mango]

I think since he clearly makes me pretty upset, it’s not worth me doing

[fair geode]

so it doesnt take up 5 slots

[long ledge]

Supreme Calamitas makes me hurt myself. I despise her. Especially in Master Infernum. The fight itself ain't that bad. But her 1 minute long desperation phase, and EVEN WORSE, her Sepulcher phase takes the cake crown for me.

[long ledge]

6 slots.

[fair geode]

ah

[fiery mango]

Polterghast of all bosses being one of few given a desperation phase on top of everything also feels like a final “fuck you”

It really feels like it’s designed solely to annoy you and not to be a challenge

[limber sage]

this is by far one of the two worst parts for me. Or well, the biggest issue now since the other somehow became irrelevent after a hiatus. I only ever killed polter ONCE before a long hiatus after like, maybe 300+ attempts across playthroughs. The old bane of my existence was none other than the asgore circle attack

[long ledge]

Not for me.

[fiery mango]

That’s bad, but at least there is a way to completely render it null with the Hook of Dissonance

[limber sage]

mind you, I had no experience in any bullet hell games, nor undertale/deltarune

I refused to use cheese

lol

[long ledge]

SAME HERE!!! Back when I played EXPERT INFERNUM for the first time, it took me... Drumroll TWENTY FIVE HOURS TO DEFEAT HIM.

[fiery mango]

In a fight like Infernum Polterghast, “cheese” isn’t worth worrying about

[limber sage]

for some reason, after coming back to infernum after playing and beating "Rabbit and Steel" multiple times, that attack became...childish?

[fiery mango]

The fight doesn’t respect you or your time so you shouldn’t respect it

[limber sage]

I still can't handle the static pink petals(?) while it makes a ring of rotating ones and ram dashes you constantly

I always, always eat some damage there

[fiery mango]

The red projectiles and everything about them is still the absolute worst for me

[limber sage]

at least it's not like uh

gfb CV

the portal lasers are black and 90% transparent

but it doesn't help my issues. just a lesser evil

[long ledge]

Why is Infernum CV a problem?

[fiery mango]

It’s a big issue for me that Infernum makes a lot worse cause of the difficulty increase that SW/CV/Signus/Polter/OD one after the other is genuinely the least enjoyable point in Calamity

[limber sage]

not infernum

gfb

[long ledge]

oh

[limber sage]

getfixedboi

[fiery mango]

Not a single one of those fights is actually any good

[limber sage]

there's always worse than infernum

[fiery mango]

It’s a gauntlet of at best mediocre and at worst Polterghast to get to DoG

[limber sage]

but

infernum still has it's painful moments

[long ledge]

Old Duke is actually, AEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH

[limber sage]

infernum old duke is free af

base old duke is way worse

[fiery mango]

Genuinely
I do not think Old Duke is as bad as Polterghast

[limber sage]

^

[fiery mango]

In basecal though Polterghast is the freest of free fights

[limber sage]

yeah

and old duke makes you have conniptions

[fiery mango]

Infernum Polter, I dunno what went on behind the scenes but it gets to a point

[limber sage]

best part about infernum old duke

[fiery mango]

You just gotta ask yourself “how much am I willing to put up with”

[limber sage]

he has two roars

[fiery mango]

Polterghast exceeds that limit

[limber sage]

a regular roar for all but one attack, and a lower toned roar for...well, rams

just listen for the roars and kite in a big oval shape

easy win

too bad the only worthwhile drop is for summoner

even rogues have an easier weapon to get

(Valediction)

[fiery mango]

I hope when I wake up tomorrow Solyn won’t make me sit through the Ceaseless quest again…

[limber sage]

too bad, that's mandatory

I need to do a WotG gfb

so I can have headpats by an eldritch abomination

[gilded sandal]

wtf is infernum AS

why dont i remember this boss being this stupid

[limber sage]

it's not bad at all

90% of the fight is just looping it with it's tail

[gilded sandal]

what about the 50/50 that i cant even fight the boss because the water is poisoned

[cursive bane]

Compared to moon lord how do the post moon lord fights get in infernum

[limber sage]

you mean when it tells you to get out of the water???

[fiery mango]

The difficulty spike is a little absurd honestly.

[gilded sandal]

imo post ml is infernum peak

[limber sage]

profaned guardians is annoying, polter and the 3 sentinels also are a nuisance

[gilded sandal]

i guess

[limber sage]

provi is a fun fight

DoG is also fun

[fiery mango]

Remove the period between Providence and DoG and it’s pretty good.

[limber sage]

yup

[cursive bane]

Also is there anything for daytime empress?

[fiery mango]

That period really brings it down though

[limber sage]

what do you mean

[fiery mango]

Five not good bosses one after the other and one of them is polterghast…….

[limber sage]

you mean an exclusive reward for daytime empress?

[cursive bane]

Mhm

[limber sage]

outside of a guaranteed teraprisma, no

[cursive bane]

Ok

[limber sage]

but you can farm night time empress for it too

so there's no reason to fight daytime EoL

[cursive bane]

Sad

[gilded sandal]

i like the sentinels and guardians

polterghast though

[limber sage]

polter is widely hated

[gilded sandal]

fucking hate that boss

[limber sage]

lmao

[gilded sandal]

worst boss

[cursive bane]

Idk what i can do but fight ml now

[limber sage]

the sentinels can be good or bad depending on person, but most agree that polter is awful

[fiery mango]

Polter’s hated for a good reason that shit’s designed to piss you off

[gilded sandal]

i like that they arent sleeper ez like in base game

[fiery mango]

Yeah

But the degree to which they make him hard is so absurd

[gilded sandal]

void is pretty as well

always excited to fight that boss in infernum

[limber sage]

meanwhile infernum old duke is stupidly easy

compared to base old duke

[gilded sandal]

we must have different infernum versions

i always struggle on that boss

usually just skip it

[limber sage]

old duke is very easy once you understand he vocalizes which attacks he's doing

[gilded sandal]

i did not know he did that

[limber sage]

low pitch roar = ram dash
regular pitch roar = every other attack

it's hilariously easy

[fading dove]

thats like half of postml

[fiery mango]

Exactly

And it’s such a drag too

[limber sage]

anyways, back to bashing my face against the granite cliffside known as gfb exos

[cursive bane]

Ok so any tips w ml? I cant seem to avoid when he's doing the scatter shotts from the middle eye.

Is fighting him outa his box worth it?

[gilded sandal]

i dont think so

[fading dove]

considering the eyes fire a spread every 10 frames with a base damage of i think 750

no

[cursive bane]

[fading dove]

its not quite as harsh as scal desp 3's enrage

which is just

killing you every frame

[fair geode]

i wish exos didnt play in 20 frames

[fiery mango]

Does having a ridiculously large space for Infernum Polterghast actually help

[fair geode]

i also wish twins would die

i hate exo twins

[fading dove]

radiance isnt doing much there

[fiery mango]

Or is that just not worth doing and I should go switch to Revengeance

[fair geode]

i suppose yeah

dunno what to put there tho

[fading dove]

also if youre struggling with survival, fearmonger is a lot bulkier

youre pretty much always at max natural regen with it

[fair geode]

than auric+?

[night fractal]

Radiance did become significantly better this past patch

[fading dove]

considering auric+ is just auric with a bit more defence and no tarragon

and iirc tarragon's summoner bonus is pretty damn strong

[night fractal]

auric+ is insane for summoner

[night fractal]

tarragon?

or do you mean intergel

Tarragon summoner set bonus is kinda meh, but intergel's is insane from what I've been told

[fading dove]

intergel's great for prov

[limber sage]

tarragon adds extra beef

[fading dove]

because axes are already really good

and it just supercharges them

[limber sage]

intergel is just facemelting damage

[fading dove]

fearmonger's bulk is obscene though

[night fractal]

Fearmeta armor

[fair geode]

idk if losing 4 minions is that good but ill try

[fading dove]

resilient candle i think would be good with how much defence you have

weightless is good for dodging damage in the first place but its hecate

[fair geode]

is it better than spiteful though?\

ig nvm surviving more is better

[fading dove]

its a pretty large boost to bulk

[fair geode]

ill try

[fading dove]

you'd take around 25 less damage per hit with absorber up

[limber sage]

so uh

[fair geode]

hm so my minion loadout is gonna be 5 kalandra 2 finality and 1 yharon kindle

[limber sage]

shattered comm, blood chalice, or dark sun ring

for rogue

[fair geode]

also ig i could replace radiance with absorber

[fading dove]

scom is 1.6x damage
chalice is preference
darksun ring is good bulk and good offence

darksun's a bit worse if you're not running any summons

[limber sage]

what if I'm stuck on ares bs carousel

[fair geode]

pogo

also i wish that gave you inf flight

[limber sage]

pogo will NOT help with this carousel

[fair geode]

yes it will

it does

[limber sage]

no

it's like, 8 lasers

[fair geode]

yeah?

[limber sage]

• all sorts of misc attacks

[fair geode]

yeah

[fiery mango]

Ares’ Carousel is a fun way to refer to that attack

[fair geode]

usually its a blender

pogo helps with the blender

so does slime saddle

[limber sage]

how so

[fair geode]

falling faster is better

when you go around

[limber sage]

I could also just use final dawn

but that's...more erratic I guess

[cursive bane]

Is spiteful candle good? I cant tell if .07 more dmg is good

[limber sage]

should I just drop the bulk stuff the moment it's just ares left?

[limber sage]

it's one of the two most used candles so yes

but they're all good

[night fractal]

just swap pure bulk when it's just ares clearly

[fair geode]

why do you not have the intergel head what

[fiery mango]

And useable now that Wizard sells them

[limber sage]

intergel rogue is ass

[night fractal]

I'd recommend using regular auric for rogue

[fair geode]

oh right

[night fractal]

oh is it interchangeable

[limber sage]

I'm using a fun bug

yes

[night fractal]

peak

[limber sage]

helm changes which bonus you get

[night fractal]

then you're good

[fair geode]

that feels more like a feature

tbh

[night fractal]

Rogue tarragon is insanely broken

and rogue intergel is insanely not

[limber sage]

well, it's less broken and more like

intergel shouldn't excist

[fair geode]

alright i guess ill try this

[limber sage]

exist*

[night fractal]

No music box reforged to warding L

[limber sage]

lmfao

[night fractal]

No rogue tarragon is really good

Tarragon Immunity is stupid

[limber sage]

I have that for when I want to listen to my metal EoL theme

wait really

[night fractal]

yes

Very few set bonuses are better than rogue tarragon

[limber sage]

wait, I have to ask about this then

why is it when I'

[fair geode]

oh thats a lot of ice

[limber sage]

when I'm using final dawn on thanatos, I have perma iframes

as long as I'm hitting him with the swing

is it the weapon, or is it tarragon doing weird things

[night fractal]

maybe both

No idea

[limber sage]

huh

is final dawn supposed to give iframes?

[night fractal]

idk

[limber sage]

like, even the lunge/dash lets me avoid damage

[night fractal]

I think the lunge should

I don't think the normal swipe is supposed to?

But I really don't know

[limber sage]

well, it's stealth strike but yeah

it's a weird weapon

[fair geode]

oh yeah doze did you end up adding the armor chaging to the storm weaver mod or not idr

[limber sage]

I am not gonna refuse abusing it on gfb exos tho

[night fractal]

Huh

What armor changing

[fair geode]

you wanted to make the storm weaver pet change how it looks when you gave it certain things

iirc

[night fractal]

Yeah that's in the storm weaver mod

[fair geode]

oh

[night fractal]

https://youtu.be/19oz1rveB2M

[limber sage]

I take it resil candle over regen candle as well?

spiteful isn't needed since I already do stupid output

[night fractal]

I honestly don't know

[limber sage]

and I need to survive the mayhem first

[night fractal]

I usually do regen

but I haven't mathed the math

[limber sage]

hm

well I have 990 hp

with the bulk accs on

so that's a lot of hp per second honestly

and I've been surviving relatively fine with spiteful on

bah, I'll try both

and see what's better

[fair geode]

honestly i wish doing scal pre exos gave you more things

cause like

most of the time you get nothing from doing scal first

[limber sage]

scal pre exos is best for mages

because of enchants

otherwise it's kinda eh

draedon heart + exo chair is just too good to pass up first

[fair geode]

even if scal doesnt let you chair up

[limber sage]

well, yeah, infernum stops that but the heart is still stupidly busted

huge heal + damage mitigation when activated, plus a full on 48 defense just equipping it

it's dumb

[fair geode]

ye

[cursive bane]

Is there any mount that's decently fast pre moonlord?

[limber sage]

I can't get over how stupid final down is on thanatos

dawn*

why is this not included in the class guides

why

[limber sage]

witch broom/shrimpy truffle

for uh

flying ones

hex branch for ground

[cursive bane]

Ic ok

[limber sage]

83k dps on thanatos using final dawn

[cursive bane]

Is that like like after you beat the game?

[limber sage]

no

final dawn is a very underused yharon rogue weapon

reasonably so

it's very awkward to use

it's basically a melee weapon

not a throwing weapon

[cursive bane]

Ic

[limber sage]

give me a minute, i can prolly show it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QCKBZYNfro

granted it's hecate thanatos but

it doesn't change much of you properly make him overlap himself normally

[cursive bane]

[limber sage]

this is my new fav anti-thanatos weapon

[cursive bane]

Wai how much hp is that?

[limber sage]

a lot

[cursive bane]

Ah

[limber sage]

2,346,000

for thanatos

[cursive bane]

Ah so a lot alot

[limber sage]

funny thing is

he has like, 99% dr for awhile upon spawning

[cursive bane]

Welp ig back to suffering at ml

[limber sage]

but once that wears off, it takes less than like, 10 seconds to melt him

[cursive bane]

So that dmg was through the 99% dr?

[limber sage]

more like the moment it wore off thanatos got deleted from existence

[cursive bane]

Ah

[limber sage]

well

actually no

apparently

even with that I was doing 300k dps

one hit with the swing

so yeah

it's dumb

[cursive bane]

Eh scary leviathan

[limber sage]

I wonder if I should try to kill goozma...

since I'm stuck on exos

[cursive bane]

Wha

[limber sage]

goozma lets you get some stupidly strong gear

yeah no, i barely hurt him, not happening

[cursive bane]

Im getting quite irritated at these darn small proj3ctiles from ml

[smoky dock]

what the hell are you doing

[limber sage]

#calamity-addon-talk message

my setup

only doing like, 8k dps at most on goozma

but I chunk the exos (and delete thanatos)

using wrath wing, seared pan, and final dawn

[smoky dock]

is it a casual run

[limber sage]

final dawn is mostly for thanatos

gfb

[smoky dock]

oh gfb

[limber sage]

yeh

lol

[limber sage]

look at what happens to hecat'es "body"

[smoky dock]

uhhhh i think summomer is the way to go… maybe drop something for nucleogenesis

[limber sage]

with final dawn

but this is my rogue only run

[smoky dock]

using auric tesla: rogue is a good idea

[smoky dock]

brother you’re on gfb

[limber sage]

I've beaten it with only summoner, ranger, and mage so far

[smoky dock]

actually

actually fight scal

[limber sage]

just need to finish melee and rogue

wait rly?

[smoky dock]

Yeah, why the hesitation?

[limber sage]

because she doesn't give anything good outside of a spam weapon no?

unless there's busted enchants like for mage

[smoky dock]

E n c h a n t m e n t s

Also Shattered Community

[limber sage]

over what

[dusky ingot]

Calamity players about to tell a 10 year old that just beat cancer to "Now do it on infernum"

[smoky dock]

Sacrifice is super solid

[limber sage]

classic

heheheh

[smoky dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/815712843746770954/1316151322583629885/caption.gif

[gloomy wedge]

god damn it that last dash on the 3rd phase transition on dog is always fucking me up

blazing core is heat here tho

[limber sage]

so I should kill scal, get sacrifice, swap to spam, and use what enchant?

I never really delved into enchants as like, majority of them feel like complete ass

[smoky dock]

are you on souls?

[limber sage]

no

just base cal gfb with goozma

[cursive bane]

does this look ok for ml? (im in master mode and told to have a wing slot mod thats why the extra 2 slots)

[smoky dock]

Ah

Then ultimately just kinda experiment

[fair geode]

wrath of the machines was kinda fun

wish it counted for infernum but oh well

[smoky dock]

SCal has no changes on gfb afaik

[fair geode]

ill fight them without wotm anyway

[limber sage]

she does

quit a lot

quite*

[smoky dock]

Well still, throw yourself at her and see what happens

What’s the worst that can happen?

[limber sage]

all the moves are swapped, and you have to kill hearts then kill sepulcher

I guess I have have final dawn for the worm

[smoky dock]

anyways enchantments are all very strong
a handful I’ve never used but I have an idea of how they work on paper

The only one I can safely assert as being horrendously bad is Resentful

Aflame is pretty free

[limber sage]

isn't the ones that change output based on range kinda bad too?

[fair geode]

honestly i really dont like infernum twins

but if i want ares loot i need to fight them alone

[smoky dock]

Depends on boss, because their scaling is very aggressive
Resentful is very difficult to find value in because you only break even when the bad guy is offscreen

[gloomy wedge]

halley's inferno is best ranged weapon for dog right

[smoky dock]

Bloodthirsty is much more consistent

[limber sage]

ah I see

[limber sage]

no

[elder nebula]

it's up there

[smoky dock]

Check da wiki for exact values

[gloomy wedge]

so what is the best

[limber sage]

inferno felt awful when i used it

[smoky dock]

it’s viable

[elder nebula]

fetid emesis imo

[smoky dock]

idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[limber sage]

I used the uh

monsoon?

[gloomy wedge]

alr ill try that

[smoky dock]

It’s still a very good idea to just experiment with all the options you have available

[limber sage]

with the provi arrows

and that one quiver

[gloomy wedge]

nihility?

[limber sage]

with the dark spheres orbiting you

ya

[humble marlin]

sulphuric acid cannon eternally underrated

[smoky dock]

70% of the options are viable enough to defeat the bad guy reasonably well

[limber sage]

true

I just found monsoon to be stupidly good

[smoky dock]

100% of the options are viable enough with a good setup

[limber sage]

which btw

[gloomy wedge]

holy fire bullets are best on omega blue right

bc no regen

[limber sage]

monsoon outperforms daemon bow, but it's not on class guides

[smoky dock]

uhhhhh might be luminite

experiment and find out ✨

[limber sage]

^

[gloomy wedge]

seems fair

[smoky dock]

Pre-ML ammunition is still worth considering

[limber sage]

omega blue is 100% worth tho btw

[smoky dock]

absolutely

my beloved

[limber sage]

esp infernum dog

it cuts kill time by a huge margin

[smoky dock]

lowkey i wanna use an omega blue fat strat just to refute “omega blue requires nohitting”

like, stfu no it does not

[limber sage]

just don't be a failure like me when it comes to ram dashing

[smoky dock]

I did one for OD but not for DoG

[smoky dock]

Something like 3:29 weaponless and 19 hits

[gloomy wedge]

yeah thats why im using it

i get 2 shot by everything anyways

so why not optimize for dps

[limber sage]

glass cannon build

[gloomy wedge]

also reforged everything to menacing for this fight

[limber sage]

hell yeah brother

or sister

idk

[gloomy wedge]

(i am immediately going back to warding after this fight)

[limber sage]

why menacing

lucky would be better

[smoky dock]

you can use warding anyways against dog

[smoky dock]

it’s complicated

the summary I like to give is “the difference is not large enough to care about”

[gloomy wedge]

can you? it seems pretty useless when dog head is the main thing youre getting hit by

and that 2 shots you no matter what

unless you're using like sealocket or smth

[limber sage]

purple haze, everclear, omega blue, lucky reforge, monsoon + elysian arrows

that's what i used

[smoky dock]

then if someone goes “nuh uh” then I explain how the math is significantly more complica-

[gloomy wedge]

i go with lucky or menacing depending on which i feel like doing that day

i only have 67% crit chance on emesis anyways so i cant get 100% crit chance

[limber sage]

I always do lucky until I hit 100% crit

[smoky dock]

everclear mentioned

day ruined

[limber sage]

because crits are 2x dmg about

[gloomy wedge]

oh right i should get more alcohols than just vodka

[limber sage]

while full menacing can't even touch that

[gloomy wedge]

or purple haze

idk im still adjusting to the new names

[smoky dock]

it’s okay

Moonshine is pretty much 100% free

Tastes awful but it’s really solid

[limber sage]

anyways, I'mm try scal for awhile. yeah, moonshine is great

[smoky dock]

I have a perpetual hatred for Everclear

[limber sage]

that's understandable

you don't like glass cannon

[smoky dock]

No I do

[limber sage]

then why

[smoky dock]

I used everclear for a nohit

once

Not because of the damage bonus, fuck that it didn’t really do anything. 5% faster killtime, I’d guesstimate

But because it was the MOST EFFICIENT way to poison myself

[limber sage]

now I'm confused

[smoky dock]

I had to build a complex wiring mechanism which abuses a fucking bug just to make it reasonable to use

I hate Everclear

[limber sage]

hm

[smoky dock]

I can break it down and elaborate

The nohit in question is my Empress

https://youtu.be/YQLVREThIiY

[limber sage]

but why do you need alcohol poisoning

[smoky dock]

Note what happens one minute after I respawn and Everclear expired

[smoky dock]

toxic heart gaming

[limber sage]

oh my god you actually used my favourite niche hook

[smoky dock]

static hook is like

[limber sage]

(I only started loving that hook after playing a different mod)

[smoky dock]

top tier

nohitters’ delight

[gloomy wedge]

ok wow infernum dog is an asshole

this guy moves 2 blocks to the right and suddenly a portal appears and i die

dude i can still see your segments you arent being sneaky

[limber sage]

OH

I just read toxic heart

so that's why you wanted poisoning

there was another vid you posted awhile back that completely melted a boss

with like, pulses?

what even was that

they looked similar to the acid rain t1 sentry

[smoky dock]

I do that a lot of times

[limber sage]

but it was too many to be that

[smoky dock]

Providence? DoG?

[limber sage]

idr the boss

it died too fast

[smoky dock]

are you talking about Rusty Beacon Prototype

[limber sage]

maybe? idk what it was in the video

is just looked similar

but there was like, 10 of them?

[smoky dock]

is it…

[fair geode]

im doing thana into ares anything i should change?

5 kalandra 2 lillies 5 kindle 4 mechworm

twins are the main issue for me

[limber sage]

something bugged in my scal fight wtf

killed all hearts, sepulcher still had the dr as if a heart was still alive

[smoky dock]

bad connection momento, just a sec

[limber sage]

lovely

[gloomy wedge]

man i want to put something over ambergris here but i just dont know what

[smoky dock]

anything

ambergris is not necessary for a few reasons

[gloomy wedge]

maybe daawnlight? idk

might as well give it a shot

[elder nebula]

community

[smoky dock]

https://youtu.be/0UAY_duVm00

[limber sage]

yes that one

[smoky dock]

those pulses are also toxic heart

[limber sage]

what

[smoky dock]

👍

It’s my favorite accessory for a reason

[limber sage]

would that...do anything for me at this stage?

[smoky dock]

No

[limber sage]

fack

lmao

[smoky dock]

Actually

Yes

But you need to use some unnecessarily complicated setups revolving around it and it alone

[limber sage]

ah

[smoky dock]

also it’s immensely dense cheese

[limber sage]

the thing that's getting me is the ares carousel so

i don't think it'd help in that situation

[fair geode]

anything or am i just bad

[gloomy wedge]

nvm this accessory is ASS

[smoky dock]

as long as you don’t die in one hit you’re fine

[gloomy wedge]

it makes my crit chance go from 67% to 4%

[limber sage]

it converts crit chance to crit dmg

[smoky dock]

yeah it does that

it disables crits, but will instead GUARANTEE crits if you satisfy a condition

[limber sage]

yup

[smoky dock]

The accessory tooltip can elaborate for you

[limber sage]

it's strong in a niche way

[gloomy wedge]

yeah i tried using it

it just does way less damage than brainlessly firing without it

[limber sage]

it requires precision

if you're really good with it, I'm sure it'd be extremely good

[gloomy wedge]

maybe if i had a weapon with way higher damage per hit it'd be better but

yeah im not gonna be using this for dog

[limber sage]

prolly not good for DoG tho

cuz worm boss

[gloomy wedge]

fuck it we recon scope

[soft ferry]

how do I not get clowned on by infernum old duke phase 3? first two phases are manageable as long as i don't get hit by random barely-visible 200 damage spikes, but in phase 3 he dashes waytoo fast for my ram dash to keep up

[fair geode]

skip old duke

[soft ferry]

no

infernum is about fighting boss

i want to fight boss

what is the point of infernum if not to get clowned on by every boss 😎

[gloomy wedge]

first of all as someone who fought old duke recently, dont fight old duke

but secondly if you really want to fight him anyways, use blazing core imo

[soft ferry]

a

[limber sage]

asgard valor + ambergris counters 3rd phase ram dashing

regardless of how many ppl say ambergris is bad

it's surprisingly strong vs stuff like old duke

[soft ferry]

ok what slot should i replace with ambergris then

[limber sage]

you could swap out the profaned core

or absorber

absorber is best used when you don't move a whole lot

[soft ferry]

profaned core allows me to get a second warloks' moon fist

[soft ferry]

ok fair thanks

[limber sage]

do you also love fi**ing bosses?

[soft ferry]

huh

[limber sage]

nothin

it's a dirty joke

[soft ferry]

okay

[shadow coral]

Hey guys

Is there a reason for infernum to be laggy in the endgame?

Through all my play through I haven’t encountered this issue

But now suddenly polterghast is running at like 10 fps

[limber sage]

polter has a shitload of persistent projectiles

that, depending on the pc, can significantly ruin your performance

[shadow coral]

This is what’s confusing me

I have a really good pc

[humble marlin]

terraria doesnt care

it only uses 1 cpu core and half of your allocated* ram (which is around 4)

[shadow coral]

I have 64 gigs of ram

Aint no way it’s using 32

[humble marlin]

if you overload it with too many mods it lags like an idiot baby

[shadow coral]

Oh that may be it

Are these too many mods?

[humble marlin]

not at all

thats quite the small modlist damn

[shadow coral]

:

[limber sage]

hm

[soft ferry]

ambergris is actively making me play worse

[humble marlin]

other reason could be that the games been open for too long

ambergis is a noob trap
dont use it

[limber sage]

it shortens the cd of the dash, and makes valor as long of a dash as alysian

elysian*

it's not a noob trap, it's genuinely useful

most people are just unable to utilize it

as it's very...niche

[shadow coral]

Closed and reopened any the lag still persists

[humble marlin]

fuck man

that genuinely sucks

[limber sage]

is it only polter?

[soft ferry]

is there a difference in cooldowns between asgard valor and elysian aegis or something?? i've been using the aegis the whole time

[limber sage]

did it lag on provi?

[shadow coral]

Nope

Wait maybe a lil

[limber sage]

no, but the aegis will have a stupidly long dash, thus making it harder to properly dodge old duke

[shadow coral]

But not as near as polter

[limber sage]

valor with ambergris is the proper pairing for infernum old duke

[humble marlin]

ooh right
and valor losses velocity quicker too

[limber sage]

yes

ambergris is better with certain dashes

it's awful on elysian aegis

miserable even

[humble marlin]

honeslty maybe my noob trap thingy was correct since most ppl will run it with elysian, making it harder to use

[limber sage]

yeah

[shadow coral]

Is there like a ram limit with tmodloader?

[elder nebula]

32 bits i think

[limber sage]

that's when it is considered noob trap

if ppl think it's good beyond asgard's valor for dashes

[humble marlin]

inherited with terraria being 8 or 4gb
toss a coin and itll be which one u got

[limber sage]

I think old duke's scales is better with elysian but...I've never used those

I should try them sometime

[humble marlin]

same

[limber sage]

I think I never tried them because it has...what, a stamina bar?

or somethin?

[humble marlin]

yeah

it has stamins

stamina

like the old puke himself

[limber sage]

yeah, just read it

it's a huge negative if you deplete the stamina

[shadow coral]

I think I need to install the x64 version of tmodloader

[soft ferry]

i'm bad at dodging in general idk if the length of the ram dash is gonna matter too much, but okay

[limber sage]

you'll notice the big difference

trust me

[soft ferry]

i just ram dash into things that i don't particularly like with contact damage, such as infernum old duke

[humble marlin]

def a good idea

[humble marlin]

btw cooldown of dashes is tied to their lenght

[limber sage]

ambergris + deep diver is hilariously fun

[shadow coral]

I discovered what the issue is

Apparently it’s the resolution

Switched to 1280x720 and the lag is gone

[soft ferry]

yeah i'm still actively playing worse. i just died before phase 2 even started

[heavy moat]

Pet tweaks ig
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129281417663238178/1390492228622745741/2025-07-03_19-39-17.mp4?ex=6868744d&is=686722cd&hm=0fa0167a7ce3480e8527ebc2caac11a1b4c04bafb747b63381769e62486c6364&

[fading dove]

fuckkkkkkkkk i wish there was a lava chicken broth pot

[limber sage]

is that the resolution of your monitor?

[limber sage]

what class are you again?

[soft ferry]

summoner

[limber sage]

give me a bit and I can give an example of how to deal with inf old duke

using ambergris+valor

send your loadout you're using atm

[fading dove]

deep diver 🤤

[limber sage]

do you have uh, catalyst installed?

[soft ferry]

No

[limber sage]

ok, so no intergelactic...

I'll try with bloodflare, then show omega blue as well

[soft ferry]

Huh

anyways i got old duke to 21%, but my summons got bored and despawned. and even when they were around they barely dealt damage to him because he was moving around like a kid who fakes being 'hyper' when they eat any sort of sweet food

[limber sage]

what summon are you using?

[soft ferry]

i'm using the warloks' moon fist because i want to use something i haven't already used 285 times

[limber sage]

hmmm

have you tried the squid staff? and I take it you use virid a lot?

[soft ferry]

if you're talking about the calamari lament or whatever it's called, i don't like the abyss and i wish to pretend it isn't a thing

and yes i do use virid a lot but at this point i just want a 'delete old duke' button that wipes all mentions of him from the game

its an exaggeration but hjekjhfdkjhfdos

[limber sage]

ok so

bloodflare for some reason is really hard for me to use

but omega blue makes it a cakewalk

let me record this to show ya

got it

[soft ferry]

ok its EVERY TIME i do a run, it's ALWAYS specifically 21 attempts on some random bum

[limber sage]

you won?

[soft ferry]

yes

[limber sage]

welp

still, have this https://youtu.be/j_BlqanTl2A

[soft ferry]

and i got the sentry that summons that disgusting old duke head on the ground and i hate it so much i'm gonna pretend it isn't a thing

[limber sage]

it's literally the strongest sentry in game

[soft ferry]

nice

[soft ferry]

i dont use sentries anyways

[limber sage]

ah

missin out

granted

i hardly do too

btw

[soft ferry]

why morning star? does it have some kind of advantage over kaleido that i dont know about

[limber sage]

the fight duration with calamari's lament and omega blue is much faster than yours

it's just better

[soft ferry]

i like to pretend the abyss doesn't exist

[limber sage]

virid vanguard isn't much slower

but it's the omega blue that really boosts kill time so

you could download a mod that lets you buy reaper teeth

but eh

it lets you buy a lot more than just reaper teeth

like ores and such

[soft ferry]

idk, having space fists and cool dragons following me makes me feel cooler (and blahaj i suppose, because chester kept getting in the way when i tried to summon providence)

[limber sage]

oh absolutely

part of summoner is the whole "look at these AWESOME SUMMONS"

but another part is the standard "It may look cool, but it's not optimal"

except tenryuu, that's a genuinely good summon for DoG

[cursive bane]

Would full terraprisma be better for dmg or would adding like 4 stardust be better dmg?

[limber sage]

terraprisma was nerfed

[soft ferry]

and honestly, i liked fighting old duke for longer, because it encouraged me to learn the boss's patterns instead of the thing i usually do while playing summoner:
running away and screaming like a little cowardly baby until my lazy bum summons get up off the floor having tea parties and actually go kill the boss

[limber sage]

3 dragon, a wither blossom, and fuel cell/terraprisma

generally

the rest is just filler basically

[fading dove]

it gives higher damage

[limber sage]

did you notice the roar differences?

[soft ferry]

Probably idk

[cursive bane]

[fading dove]

kscope is 1.232x, morning is 1.2432x

[cursive bane]

Is there smthn that isn't nerfed xd

[fading dove]

terraprisma also uses local now

making it better when there's a lot

[limber sage]

local?

[soft ferry]

That is a level of optimization I do not care for, I'm just gonna continue using my oversized rainbow whip

[fading dove]

previously, terraprismas cucked each other

[fading dove]

each projectile counts is own iframes, minions usually use static in vanilla where iframes are counted based on projectile type rather than individual projectiles

[limber sage]

ah

[fading dove]

its still objectively better for damage yknow

[cursive bane]

Yall using whips xd

[fading dove]

there's not really a reason to use kscope unless you're specifically trying to keep yourself outside of morning's range but within kscope's

which iirc is like 5 tiles of difference

[limber sage]

I was about to say

isn't that stupidly minimal

[fading dove]

you can also whip stack

[limber sage]

yeah

but that requires more brainpower

[fading dove]

alternating pressing 1 and 2

[limber sage]

alternate 7 and 8 for me

before you ask

mmo mouse

[fading dove]

for reference just running both kscope and morning star gives 1.516704x damage over not running a whip

[smoky dock]

hey i got my yharon

[fading dove]

1.5x damage is absolutely fucking absurd

[limber sage]

[fading dove]

ayy gg

[limber sage]

i'm officially stuck in gfb rogue

and I'm sadge

I haven't played summoner in cal in a long time...I should do another run

[soft ferry]

how can i build arenas faster? i haven't placed a single platform for a boss arena since i fought Aureus and this picture is what it looked like. i don't think i can get away with being lazy with arenas when i'm gonna fight Infernum DoG

[fading dove]

tag crit chance stacks additively (kscope 10%, morning 12%) while tag damage mult stacks multiplicatively (kscope 1.12x, morning 1.11x) leading to the formula being (whip1crit+whip2crit)*whip1mult*whip2mult

[fading dove]

hand of creation

if you're not running mutant mod then that's all you get

oh right that one reaver set

[limber sage]

would gizmo+brick layer+extendo arm all stack?

[soft ferry]

that is a cool as hell name for a thing that makes building faster

[limber sage]

with HoC

[fading dove]

not sure

iirc extendo arm doesnt

[limber sage]

i see

[fading dove]

i know treasure magnet for sure doesn't

[limber sage]

I think gizmo + HoC does stack

i recall there being a difference

but I'm not sure if it's me misremembering or sum

[soft ferry]

huh

[limber sage]

miner/builder reaver set is awesome

[soft ferry]

idk what that is

oh the reaver armour

didnt know it did that

[fading dove]

when will i be free from this hell

i wish there was a faster way to drink lava chicken broth

alright

minimum use time for lava chicken broth to function is 60

set it below and nothing happens when you consume it

[soft ferry]

am I going overboard with my DoG arena length? (yes there will be multiple rows)

[fading dove]

yeah

here's the arena i'm using

and its a bit wide

[soft ferry]

eh, cant hurt to have too much i guess

and it'll probably double as an exo mechs arena

[fading dove]

except when you feel obligated to use it

exos dont require too much space but definitely a bit more than dog imo

three slam whiffs in a row

wow!

[humble marlin]

nya

[limber sage]

...come to think of it...is wrath of the empress and wrath of the machines gfb compatible?

well, I guess I won't need the machines one since I'm gonna throw in fargo souls as well

[snow obsidian]

Yall I js finished summoner on infernum what class should I go for now

[limber sage]

and that'd also not allow wrath of empress...crap

[limber sage]

rogue

[snow obsidian]

How fun it is to play with it

[limber sage]

at first, terrible. but once you get passed the learning curve, it's stupidly strong

also, it has the highest single hit output in the whole game

via stealth strikes

[snow obsidian]

I mean new mechanisms

Hm

Alright bet

I will give it a try

Thanks mate

[fading dove]

shoutout to the blinding light of the sun

[limber sage]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

how is it so birght btw

bright*

I don't recall mine being so...blinding

time for utter pain

gfb+cal+souls+thorium

[fading dove]

i think even with thorium, masoleggfb will still fucking annihilate you

[limber sage]

yeah...

I'm aware

I think I'll have to do something I haven't done in a very long time

utilize multiple classes and not stick to only 1

but I feel like that's a pathetic thing to do

is that just me?

[winter tundra]

Nope not just u

I had to do that for infernum nameless deity

[fading dove]

nameless isnt changed on inf what

[limber sage]

it is changed in gfb tho

[winter tundra]

I had a mod that buffed its health and damage as if it were infernum

I beat it master death mode as rogue

It took roughly 1500 attempts

6 months

Because of limited screen time

[limber sage]

not as bad as gfb nameless, who pulls out a glock and unloads a whole mag into your face

[winter tundra]

Lol

I haven't tried it yet

What is gfb

[limber sage]

getfixedboi

[winter tundra]

Ohhh ok

[limber sage]

this is probably gonna be the most painful playthrough I've ever decided on

I'm 100% gonna regret this

[smoky dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/815712843746770954/1316151322583629885/caption.gif

[limber sage]

no, you already know I couldn't beat lunatic on master rev gfb like that

I'M CONSTANTLY DYING LMAO

[night fractal]

It could be worse

ftw+cal+souls+thorium

[limber sage]

getfixedboi has ftw

so no

[night fractal]

GFB has a million progression skisp

[limber sage]

I mean sure

[night fractal]

EoW drops light disc

[limber sage]

but uh

I'm dying

[night fractal]

Meaning you get hallowed armor post evil 1

[limber sage]

from on fire

on spawn

[night fractal]

GFB is harder outside of bosses

[limber sage]

also, doesn't ftw also have a progression skip via ectoplasm?

[night fractal]

Specifically pre boss

[night fractal]

yeah but not nearly as much or as major

[limber sage]

fair enough

[night fractal]

Hallowed Armor is so incredibly strong

To the point where Rogue is easily the worst GFB class to run due to no hallowed rogue armor

[limber sage]

except seafoam bomb exists

it's basically a hardmode weapon

[night fractal]

hallowed armor is way more important

30 second dodge is crazy strong

Well

[limber sage]

i suppose yeah

[night fractal]

You could do Seafoam with melee hallowed

That's probably meta

wait no

you have light disc right there

I don't think GFB Seafoam is better than than light disc

[cursive bane]

Calamity class tier list

[night fractal]

summoner
rogue
ranger
melee
Mage

[limber sage]

the poor mage

[clear quail]

it's still strong by no mean, just the least savory 🥀

[winter tundra]

I LOVE rogue

My favourite class by far

[clear quail]

thank you infernum for adding illusioner reverie and eye of madness which are insanely strong for such easy obtaining requirement

[winter tundra]

Is eye of madness actualy good?

[night fractal]

done

(in terms of power)

[winter tundra]

I never got around to using any of the support weapons in my playthrough

[night fractal]

mage has some broken supports

[clear quail]

eye of madness could be fit more for an aggressive playstyle

[night fractal]

Betsy's Wrath is actually so stupid

-40 defense and 0.66x DR

[winter tundra]

Oh I play Stealth rogue so maybe not a good fit

[clear quail]

god damn

[winter tundra]

Is that what it does

[clear quail]

you can get betsy

[winter tundra]

If so I will be using that now

[clear quail]

curse from both flying dragon and betsy wrath right?

[winter tundra]

That's BUSTED

[fair geode]

yeah its ichor but better

[night fractal]

Yes

[night fractal]

No

Just Betsy's Wrath

[clear quail]

oof

[night fractal]

Betsy's Wrath shoots three fireballs with large AoE explosions