calamity-addon-talk

[waxen tide]

bad

[faint arrow]

got it

what would be good then

also would it be worth running Wither Blossoms even on pbg

[solar saddle]

guys, my draedon lab got destroyed by obsidian bridge in the underworld destroying the schematic with it, can i use cheatsheat to get it? otherwise im softlocked

[faint arrow]

yes, but this is why you don't use fargos bridges

[fading dove]

mutant mod instabridges are entirely safe if other mods decide they are

[smoky dock]

i'm in the process of dying

[faint arrow]

just make a line of planter boxes in the Brimstone Crag

[solar saddle]

i could always get it from a new world

[fading dove]

all you need is the schematic btw

[solar saddle]

so it saves me some time

[fading dove]

murasama is entirely optional

[solar saddle]

yea

and im summoner so

[fading dove]

giving yourself the schematic is perfectly fine

you found the lab so its not like you're skipping finding it

[viscid badger]

I'M RIGHT !!

(I'm sure I'm just bad at rogue)

[smoky dock]

Rogue is much harder to do right than the other classes

[grave marsh]

am i wrong for saying during the fire circle projectile spam in the profaned guardians the dashing guy is kind of a low tier threat if you don't stress out about him

i say as i die to them

[fading dove]

a lot of things arent threats if you stay calm yeah

[grave marsh]

a thing i'm noticing is i mainly only die when i get stressed

when i stay calm i almost no-hit a attack

[viscid badger]

That's typically how bullet hells are

[grave marsh]

i'm at this part rn

[viscid badger]

They're meant to stress you JUUUST enough

[grave marsh]

why is he anime posing

[fading dove]

aura farming

[grave marsh]

my chest hurts

despite how slow i'm progressing, the main thing is that i can see that i am

i did end up dying pretty early into the phase but making it there is what counts

[faint arrow]

I find it a million times easier than Ranger ngl

mostly... because my ability to aim is shit, but like

[grave marsh]

no hit the intro

[grave marsh]

i find rogue fun

it's not just hold down m1

you have to manage your stealth

like

do i wanna do a stealth strike or magnus strike

cause magnus costs a stealth strike

[faint arrow]

exactlyyyy

[grave marsh]

istg if my chest doesnt stop being annoying imma eat it

[grave marsh]

now i just gotta do the main section of the fight

(no i do not count the flappy bird section as the intro

)

[silent linden]

do cal clone brothers still drop weapons/trophies in infernum?

[faint arrow]

yes

what is this fight mannn

[grave marsh]

alr i'm back at the aura farming phase

[grave marsh]

suicide drones are fucking annoying

[faint arrow]

IKR

[grave marsh]

i reccomend focusing fire on them when they spawn

[faint arrow]

I am

[grave marsh]

no matter what

[faint arrow]

the issue is my damage

wait idea

[grave marsh]

why is this guy aura farming

[faint arrow]

huh

[past pagoda]

blood orange and miricle fruit

[faint arrow]

oh lmao

[faint arrow]

won't help anything but ok

[past pagoda]

oh wait

its a no hit

sorry

[faint arrow]

yeah lol

[past pagoda]

er

r u running a summoner loadout?

wait send a pic of ur loadout

[faint arrow]

Spooky armor, everything max reforge

debating going back to Statigel armor sadly, but not sure yet

[past pagoda]

no like

send a pic of ur accessorys

[faint arrow]

oh

here

[past pagoda]

oh accessorless

[faint arrow]

mhm

trust me, I'd be running a ram dash if I could

but that's kinda the point of fighting this boss

[grave marsh]

ok so i dash and it doesnt ram

[faint arrow]

the spear is a projectile, you can only ram the guardians themselves

[grave marsh]

i'mdashingattheguardiannotthespear

[round panther]

need help with inf ml

literally feels worse than eternity-death mutant

[faint arrow]

what attack(s)

[round panther]

.

uhh

the one where

no idk

he just

floods the whole arena with projectiles

and i cant tell which are mine and which are his

[grave marsh]

the bouncy ones?

[round panther]

phantasmal bolts are literally everywhere

idk what to do at this point

[grave marsh]

are you using reduced graphics

[round panther]

yea

[grave marsh]

don't do that for ml

his projectiles have trails so they're easier to see

without that

[round panther]

ok

thank

[grave marsh]

like much easier

[round panther]

hey it actually helped

beat him

very rhanks

[silver wadi]

alright chat, would you rather play without wings or play without ramdash

[grave marsh]

wings

[faint arrow]

without wings

for most bosses

[round panther]

depends on what mods we have on

[silver wadi]

whole game

[faint arrow]

Infernum or can I pick difficulty?

also would Witch Broom be allowed if no wings, or does that mean defiled

[round panther]

if infernum then wings cuz ik dog is impossible without ram

[silver wadi]

idk, but me and my friend were talking infernum iirc

the challenge to do dog without ram in question:

[smoky dock]

Broom is OK if you're doing wingless

Broom is not OK if you're doing defiled

[grave marsh]

stop aura farming

is there any advice i could get for this phase? i'm kinda struggling to dodge the thing where he throws the spear

[faint arrow]

hence why I asked lmao

[faint arrow]

I mean Phosphorescent Gauntlet exists

[smoky dock]

phosgauntlet <3

[smoky dock]

The singular spear early on in the cycle? Or the multiple spears near the end of the cycle?

[silver wadi]

yeah, my point was DoG is very much possible without a ramdash

[smoky dock]

BONUS YHARONS

[faint arrow]

but DoG with Phos Gauntlet is about the same difficulty as Guardians defiled (I would say if it werent for balloons, except my run I can't even do that)

[smoky dock]

ORDER NOW

[faint arrow]

:o??

[faint arrow]

yeah

I'll continue to use Plaguebringer armor for it though, more fun that way ngl

[grave marsh]

when he throws the big ol' spear and smaller spears come from above and below it

[smoky dock]

#mod-announcements

[faint arrow]

also hey Prikki

you think this would be a valid nohit or do I not show enough attacks

[smoky dock]

The way I do it is I stop moving horizontally and try to stay in one spot. When the spear gets shot, then I fly up/fall down. Then I can use that time I spent rising/falling to react to the perpendicular spears.

Just a minor adjustment left or right.

[grave marsh]

so basically treat it like a much more deadly cryogen

that could potentially lose me minutes if i die

[smoky dock]

Yeah basically

[faint arrow]

I mean kinda yeah

[grave marsh]

fuck

ok i managed to dodge the spear easily

but now i died to the dash

[faint arrow]

lmao

ok Gibble, I have a strat for you

beat Guardians accless on a witch broom

suddenly, easy even with pre-mech wings

:3

[grave marsh]

i would rather kms

i haven't even beaten it regularly

[faint arrow]

valid lmao

like I can't even argue, annoying asf fight accless

[grave marsh]

i'm not no hitting

i ram dashed into the guy

and i got no i-frames

someone explain

[grave marsh]

there was literally NO PROJECTILES

[faint arrow]

and here anyways lol
https://youtu.be/oVbwAeQSctQ?si=HflsatE73PQqaoih

[grave marsh]

i love when the fire pillars stay for way too long and i die when i desperately need to get past them

[faint arrow]

pff yeah

[grave marsh]

i can semi-consistently get adrenalines in the intro

[faint arrow]

I just did that to skip p2, in that run

since the circle attack is pain accless lol

because ram would mean switching to Plague armor and shoot my dps in the foot and such

[grave marsh]

i dont count flame flappy bird as the intro

[smoky dock]

i bought a second yharon

[grave marsh]

i have to pause my fight in the aura farming phase 😭

[faint arrow]

valid lmao

[grave marsh]

i've gotta go

[grave marsh]

it's so free

[faint arrow]

I accidentally ordered 2 when I got them, I think I'm gonna be trading one with a friend for an eevee plush lol

[grave marsh]

no

2 yharon = cute

[faint arrow]

true

[smoky dock]

they're friends

[faint arrow]

but I collect stuffies

I want yharon and vee

that cuter :3

[smoky dock]

yharon will explode eevee

[faint arrow]

and yeah @smoky dock you think the nohit judges will accept this or no

[smoky dock]

oh i got distracted

[faint arrow]

only at around 100 deaths to it so if I have to redo I can, would rather ask lol

[smoky dock]

looks fine to me

space usage is a lil yucky but eh

[faint arrow]

and... how could I improve it do you think

[smoky dock]

uhhhh

Well it's not so bad that it'll get dq'd

It looks fine

It will be accepted

[faint arrow]

alright

[smoky dock]

But the space usage can be improved by going up and down during the dashes instead of just falling down. Maybe RoD to skip the line of... whatever the hell she leaves behind

[faint arrow]

I can go between, but with grappling and the way they float being weird I figured I'd just fall then move back up during other attacks

[smoky dock]

Yeah, I noticed

Ultimately it's fine

[faint arrow]

we'll see if alche agrees

idk I'm just glad my destroyer nohit got accepted lol

fuck that boss, in every difficulty, never been fun

okay so.. with PBG dead, any recs for Fishron?

[smoky dock]

you're asking...

me

which accessories from...

plaguebringer goliath

to use on.....

a highly mobile, highly aggressive

contact damage boss

that's vulnerable to sickness damage.

Is that correct?

[faint arrow]

weapons

[faint arrow]

and understood, adding the "+sickeness debuff" alcohol

[smoky dock]

I forgor

No_thoughts

[smoky dock]

dont bother

fishron becomes immune to acid venom halfway through the fight

[faint arrow]

.... what about plague

[smoky dock]

so all you have left is plague

[night fractal]

oh no

you've set them off

[night fractal]

toxic heart time...

[faint arrow]

what happened

[faint arrow]

oh

lmao nah, can't

[smoky dock]

The Toxic Heart is a Hardmode accessory that is dropped by The Plaguebringer Goliath.

When equipped, the player peri...

[faint arrow]

bud this is my loadout for Fishron, all I need to do now is get my weapon choices sorted

and yes I'm doing empress last, I want all the options I can for her...

cuz just.. bleh..

[night fractal]

ah

so uh

viral Sprout might be the best bet without dmg accesories

well it definitely is if you use another main weapon alongside it

[smoky dock]

oh yeah I TOTALLY forgot about viral sprout

[faint arrow]

I mean I have the Wither Blossoms and Xeno Staff atm

[night fractal]

ideally you also use Rusty Beacon Prototype to inflict Irradiated

[smoky dock]

Very strong sickness debuff on a very fast, aggressive minion? hell yea

[night fractal]

Viral is likely better

for accesory-less on sickness weak boss

especially when you have plaguebringer armor

[smoky dock]

Each lil fuckin flower thing is ~40 DPS each. Gets a lil weaker with each one, but it's still strong.
3.25x from Evergreen Gin, Irradiated and vulnerability? hell yea

[night fractal]

simply do Cultist and get star cell (broken as heck minion)

[night fractal]

Actually

It gets stronger with each one after 3 or so of them

[smoky dock]

I was doing the math with Excel, it was getting weaker

Was I doing it wrong?

[night fractal]

Lemme pull up desmos

[faint arrow]

gotta kill Fishron and empress first, since not allowed to skip bosses for nohits :3

[smoky dock]

I put it into Desmos but the line was pretty close to linear

[faint arrow]

trust me I woulda done Plantera, then CalShadow, then Destroyer otherwise

[night fractal]

comparing to a linear 46x

[smoky dock]

huh

[night fractal]

zoomoed to extreme

[smoky dock]

Could you make a linear 46x into a red line

[night fractal]

sure

also somehow I was way wrong

it stars being increasing returns at like

80

[smoky dock]

Now I know which minion to use when I have 80 slots

theoretically... that means with infinite slots, it's the best minion

[night fractal]

here's the intersection points

where it goes below and above the linear 46x

[night fractal]

maybe not

abigail gets speed with more slots

and pierce

and damage

[faint arrow]

so would Viral Sprout be better than Wither Blossom in this case, then?

I have 6 total summon slots if that helps

[night fractal]

likely

227 dps from the debuff without amplification

plus the damage of the sprout itself

2.25x or 3.25x dmg with Evergreen Gin, depending on irradiated

should hit nearly 900 dps with Irradiated + Evergreen Gin

[smoky dock]

The blossoms' Plague is irrelevant here, more or less, since your armor inflicts that for you

[night fractal]

yeah

and Xeno has no debuff at all

[smoky dock]

So in order for them to outperform viral sprouts, the raw damage alone needs to be able to

[faint arrow]

true

[faint arrow]

and yeah, which.. I won't be holding a whip

so valid

alright then.. what non-summon weapon then

[smoky dock]

well alas I'm not sure if the viral sprouts' debuff is affected by the summon damage penalty or not

I know that mollusks are

[night fractal]

i don't think it does

as for the other weapon

[faint arrow]

I can test

[night fractal]

ideally inflicts Astral Infection if something good does that

[faint arrow]

nope not at all

[smoky dock]

probably

worst case scenario, astral hives

[faint arrow]

so yeah, just need a weapon from another class

[smoky dock]

two sentry slots, y'know?

[faint arrow]

to use manually for the fight

[faint arrow]

yeah maybe

[night fractal]

true

but it might be better to have more consistent irradiated

if they move around enough

[smoky dock]

which Fishron does indeed do

[night fractal]

also! hive pod doesn't inflict astral infection

[smoky dock]

Anyways the Aurora Blazer seems consistent

Braindead point and click weapon, more or less ultra long hitscan with a wide AoE

Debuff lasts startlingly long

[candid wind]

i was doing infernum polterghast

and died to the last attack

the very last beam

fuck this boss im hopping on my maxed out rogue and beating ts, im fucking tired

[smoky dock]

real

[night fractal]

waiit

venom staff

does 30 seconds of venom

[smoky dock]

wtf

[candid wind]

im counting ts as beat

[candid wind]

most obnoxious boss ever

[smoky dock]

But doesn't Fishron become immune to acid venom in phase... two or three for some reason?

[night fractal]

no idea

[smoky dock]

oh what the fuck

no I just got mandela'd

[night fractal]

vanilla he doesn't at least

so basically

[smoky dock]

what about the orthocera babie?

would pet

[night fractal]

OH

3 seconds of venom and 3 of irradiated

[smoky dock]

Ehhh, doesn't seem reliable for Fishron

Too easy to miss

[night fractal]

if it hits it's better than the uh

rusty beacon

[smoky dock]

rusty beacon peaktotype

[faint arrow]

maybe

primary weapon I'll probably go dps, you think there's anything good for mage

if so it's probably best, with mana regen and star beam rye

[night fractal]

Aurora Blazer
Venom Staff (once every 30 seconds)
Maybe Poison Staff (once every 30 seconds)

are the thoughts

[faint arrow]

otherwise I can go everclear

[night fractal]

but uhh

for mage lemme look

[smoky dock]

slime gun

everclear mentnioned

day ruined

[faint arrow]

pfff

[night fractal]

astralachnea is an option

[smoky dock]

wait no not slime gun

[faint arrow]

I used it for PBG, worked great

[smoky dock]

I'm not sure whether Goobow or Gods' Gambit is a better Slime Spitter

[night fractal]

ok so

astralachnea looks like a great choice

[faint arrow]

gods gambit, but I aint doing fire debuffs

[night fractal]

but... flamethrower does On Fire! for 20 seconds...

wai

Hellfire

not On Fire!

[nimble wing]

rusty peakin' prototype

[faint arrow]

main issue is it uses 14 mana per use

which means I run out fast, even gompared to stuff like wasp gun

which... means I can only fire my weapon about half the time, mana regen factored in, which is not good

[smoky dock]

so much better tysm

[smoky dock]

thenuse something else as you regen mana

[faint arrow]

true lol

[night fractal]

use mana regen to refresh other debuffs

like uh

Elf Melter for 20s of Frostbite

[smoky dock]

sslimed

[faint arrow]

you think Bat Scepter would still be good or is it massively outclassed now

[night fractal]

Bat is VERY good

but

[faint arrow]

also would fishron be too fast

[night fractal]

no

bat is insane

but with no accessories... you're losing astral infection infliction

[faint arrow]

got it lmao

[faint arrow]

true but like

[night fractal]

which is losing like

[smoky dock]

Debuffs are your best friend tbh

[faint arrow]

lemme check this hold on

[smoky dock]

They don't care about your damage% or crit% or fuckin whatever

[night fractal]

121 dps

(if you have irradiated and evergreen gin)

[smoky dock]

Which is very low considering you have little to boost it

[smoky dock]

does that count vulnerability?

[grave marsh]

In the phase where the one guardian starts aura farming does the one that runs off come back eventually

[night fractal]

yes

[smoky dock]

rad

[faint arrow]

irradiated?

[smoky dock]

The debuff

[candid wind]

the polterghast wasnt fighting me anymore

i did what had to be done

i dealt with it with my voidragon

[smoky dock]

It forces the target to be vulnerable to Sickness debuffs, like Slimed does with Heat

[candid wind]

some things just have to be carried out

[smoky dock]

lets not refer to it like that

ty

[candid wind]

do forgive me i an

i am

quite done with being bs’ed by bosses

the past 5 bosses have been complete hell

[grave marsh]

Polterghast npc whe-

[faint arrow]

imma be honest Bat Scepter is outpacing the debuff

[frail hinge]

will all these work together fine single player

[smoky dock]

Entropy is pretty uhhhh

I've heard it's a bit buggy and it's aggressively unbalanced

I'm not sure if it plays nice with HotdOG and Infernum

[night fractal]

i can't believe venom and poison staff both do 30 seconds of their debuff

time to make astralachnea and plague staff match

[grave marsh]

Hotdog..?

[frail hinge]

hunt of the old gods

[smoky dock]

Hunt of da Old God

[grave marsh]

Hotdog

=

Tasty meat cylinder

[smoky dock]

Yeah

[grave marsh]

You

[restive cliff]

should I use purity with tyranny's end for exo mech? Its in my guide but on the wiki it says crit bonus is rlly good for tyranny's end.

[faint arrow]

pff interesting

would be stupid strong for debuff builds tho

could... buff it to 10 or 15 seconds, and nerf the vanilla ones to match that

then is a middle ground

but yeah 30 is insane

[smoky dock]

No, never

Tyranny's End has a very high base critical hit chance (49% or something like that) which makes it actively detrimental to your damage output.

[faint arrow]

alr now to learn how Inf Fishron even works ig

[restive cliff]

what should I replace it with then

D:

[smoky dock]

idk i'm not a doctor

rang*r is punishable in my temple

[frail hinge]

we all hate rang*rs

[restive cliff]

is this discrimination chat

[faint arrow]

yes

[smoky dock]

yes

[faint arrow]

deserved descrimination

:3

[smoky dock]

haa_axe

[vocal tulip]

smh

[frail hinge]

we should hate mag*s too
they are rang*rs that shoot mana

[vocal tulip]

we should hate terraria

[restive cliff]

we should

hate on melee

because

sword

[vocal tulip]

projectiles implies ranger

and so many weapons from all class have projectiles

[frail hinge]

summoners summon shoot projectiles implies ranger

[smoky dock]

False melee is sinful
Mage is sinful
Rang*r is *especially* sinful

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/893924166925955104/1268262256693612554/trueMeleeLocket.gif

[restive cliff]

FALSE MELEE

WHAT IS THIS

[frail hinge]

projectile melee is false melee

true melee is big swords

[faint arrow]

mage is not sinful

what's sinful is mana pots

[vocal tulip]

hating on ✨ ranger ✨ is sinful

[smoky dock]

That's acceptable

[faint arrow]

nah

[smoky dock]

er, like

that opinion is acceptable

Mana potions are evil

[faint arrow]

agreed :3

and Summoner is sinful but I think I earned the ability to use it so I can be at all close to mnl

because holy my damage is abysmal otherwise

[smoky dock]

I like summoner when I'm allowed to make it obscenely complicated

[faint arrow]

wait could I use Wasp Gun for Fishron

[smoky dock]

Needs at LEAST 4 cps to be valid

[night fractal]

wasp gun is probably not worth using tbh

not over Bat Scepter or Astralachnea

[shy pagoda]

melee summoner hybrid

[frail hinge]

til this day i don't know how whips work

[faint arrow]

alr

[frail hinge]

do i hit minions or boss

[night fractal]

you hit enemy

they take more damaage from minions

minions also target them

[smoky dock]

Hit the bad guy

The bad guy that you hit takes bonus damage for 4 seconds

[frail hinge]

great, thanks for helping

[faint arrow]

doesn't look like Viral Sprout has notably different dps to Xeno Staff actually

looks like Wither Blossom + 4x Viral Sprout is easily best though

[gaunt tangle]

just starting out a calamity world with my friend, what addons should i get for my world?

[elder nebula]

catalyst

and vanilla calamity mod music

[faint arrow]

maybe

[elder nebula]

it still adds cool weapons

[gaunt tangle]

thats it? isnt there other mods i should be including with

[elder nebula]

calamity adds a LOT of content by itself

[gaunt tangle]

i get that, i was more talking about like interface mods that make your life easier

yk what i mean

[elder nebula]

oh qol mods

[faint arrow]

Catalyst adds a really tough pre-ML boss, in exchange for some really strong gear right after, up to you whether you want that typa balancing

Infernum is hard but consistent fights, much less vanilla in nature

Wrath Of the Gods can cause serious lag, but adds a couple extra bosses to the end of the mod

and Hunt of the Old God gives a bit good gear but is a new endgame boss

[faint arrow]

oh

[elder nebula]

magic storage and recipe browser

and boss checklist

[gaunt tangle]

kk thank you

[faint arrow]

Magic Storage, Recipe Browser, Boss Checklist if you want it, and Begone Evil

[grave marsh]

Does he come back or nah

[gaunt tangle]

whats begone evil?

[faint arrow]

I only suggest the biome spread disable because Calamity is such a long mod

[faint arrow]

disables evil biome spread

[gaunt tangle]

and the v?

yeah that would be useful

[faint arrow]

and if you're gonna use other QoL we can't stop you, but I suggest not much for the first playthroughs, to not become reliant

[faint arrow]

not the V, you need that for Hallow

just the passive biome spread

[gaunt tangle]

kk thanks

[grave marsh]

Ok imma assume not then

Damn

[night fractal]

hey @smoky dock did you know Poison Dart does 30-60 seconds of poison

new best earlygame support item i think

[smoky dock]

I did/n't

[night fractal]

blowpipe meta...

[smoky dock]

OH you're talking about the ammunition???

[night fractal]

yes

the ammo

[smoky dock]

I thought you were talking about the trap

[night fractal]

ooh

lol

yeah no

[smoky dock]

dart trap

[night fractal]

the ammo is 30-60 seconds

[smoky dock]

anyways YAAAAAY <3

Excuse to throw money at Witch Doctor

[night fractal]

Venom
30 seconds (Venom Staff)

Cursed Flames
10 seconds (Cursed Flare)

Frostbite
20 seconds (Elf Melter)

Hellfire
20 seconds (Flamethrower)

Poisoned
30-60 seconds (Poison Dart)
30 seconds (Poison Staff)

Shadowflame
10 seconds (Clothier's Wrath)

heres some notable ones

[gaunt tangle]

whats the difference between vanilla calamity mod music and normal calamity mod music

[night fractal]

vanilla does music for vanilla things

calamity mod music does music for only calamity things

[gaunt tangle]

ohhh so you use both

[faint arrow]

yes

[gaunt tangle]

kk

[vernal bloom]

infernum moon lord is pretty annoying

like fuck the eyes in particular

you think they're about to charge at you so you dash away oh but the telegraphing suddently changes so you get hit

they suddently change directions

ugh

also I'm not sure how to dodge the fireball attack

[fading dove]

i like to think inf ml true eye dash is inspired by eternity eoc p3 but it definitely wasnt

[vernal bloom]

should I change anything

also ignore my poor inventory management

[elder nebula]

community is mid

[gaunt tangle]

anyone got a nice texture pack i could use? or is the classic one the best

[elder nebula]

calamity texture pack

[vernal bloom]

I might replace it with the deific amulet

[elder nebula]

probably a good idea

[vernal bloom]

I'm using arch amaryllis for the first phase and swarmer when the core is revealed

[gentle flame]

whats the best true melee weapon for infernum DOG

[vernal bloom]

god I hate the eyes

[smoky dock]

general best is lion heart

holy collider is an easier-to-use alternative

[nimble wing]

What.
how long does poisoned knife do it

[vernal bloom]

"we're dashing in this direction SIKE WE'RE DASHING WHERE YOU'RE GOING"

[gentle flame]

ok thx

[vernal bloom]

like I feel like it's not even my fault

also it's stupid they ignore invincibility frames and I can get hit twice

[tranquil surge]

Struggling to enjoy infernum
It feels like they designed it around having hype moments & aura rather than being fun

[charred comet]

does wotg not work in multiplayer?

[keen zealot]

im playing wotg and solyn wont talk, i've talked to her the first time and she isnt talking, just saying ... after 1 day

[vernal bloom]

moon lord might unironically be the worst fight in infernum

[tranquil surge]

I feel like most bosses around moon lord are equal levels of ass

the devs seem to have gone "dude this is a LATE game boss so it needs to be AWESOME. add EVERYTHING to it!"

[vernal bloom]

eh

[nimble wing]

infernum's design philosophy is absolutely all over the place because luc's own philosophy evolved rapidly while making it

[vernal bloom]

astrum deus was fun

empress was difficult but fair

[tranquil surge]

astrum deus was fine yeah

[vernal bloom]

duke is just weak

[charred comet]

does wotg not work in multiplayer?

[tranquil surge]

empress had a couple moves that were just not avoidable depending on what moves she uses them alongside

[nimble wing]

like i think the functionally oldest boss is yharon, and it's clear from fighting him that he's old

[vernal bloom]

ravager was annoying but fine

[vernal bloom]

I mean I found a consistent way to dodge the first sword dance

[charred comet]

is it a bug or is it not meant for mp yet?

[tranquil surge]

yharon was awful yeah

[nimble wing]

and then you go fight AS or something and it's incredibly refreshing

[vernal bloom]

which is just moving forward and up

[tranquil surge]

ok

[vernal bloom]

if I died from empress it felt like a skill issue

[nimble wing]

no

[vernal bloom]

where for moon lord I feel it's not even my fault

[charred comet]

is it gonna be like this forever or are they wroking on mp

if yk

[vernal bloom]

y'know what I mean

the eyes dashing and the fireball attack fucking suck

[faint arrow]

still struggling to find good ideas for Fishron, anyone have good ideas?

[nimble wing]

infernum bosses are ingrained in my memory such that i know for a fact whether getting hit is my fault or not

if anything is consistent i have probably routed it

[vernal bloom]

eh it's just

[elder nebula]

not really no

[nimble wing]

it's not a "not really" thing, it just doesn't at all

[vernal bloom]

the telegraphing for the eyes is fucking awful because you think you're about to dash away from their attack but they suddently change directions and you get hit

and the fireballs feel weird and random

[nimble wing]

that's the predictive dashes right

[vernal bloom]

I'm not even sure how to dodge them apart from getting as far away as possible and hoping for the best

[vernal bloom]

yep

[nimble wing]

fireball constellations are pretty unintuitive to look at, but they're at least fun to dodge if you can figure them out

[vernal bloom]

I'm not certain how they work

and the wiki page for moon lord isn't even finished

[nimble wing]

personal apologies for the infernum wiki

[faint arrow]

NEVERMIND I found something

Typhons Greed is WORKING

[smoky dock]

hopefully I understand them by the time I get there

[vernal bloom]

the other attacks are fair at least

laser attack is literally get as far away as possible

that way it's easier to dodge the projectiles

[smoky dock]

my method for that one is to get as close to the origin as possible

[untold pollen]

i think i just have a skill issue first im stuck on dog now yharon

[smoky dock]

No the final four are just very, very tough

[nimble wing]

↙️

[smoky dock]

yeah figures

[charred comet]

does anyone know what this texture pack is called https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1112873622562947104/1382144865776959578/image.png?ex=684abef7&is=68496d77&hm=46a05408bed3bf133c719f916ee08a4375a23b0ef2d00e209c5b6549674b0bef&

[vernal bloom]

maybe I should make a better arena for moon lord

[untold pollen]

MELEE IS SO ASS against this fuckass boss man

same time it took me to get to 2nd phase 50%, on ranger i killed it already

[silver wadi]

orderbringer, if you haven't already tried it

stupid easy to use and good damage against yharon

[untold pollen]

not enough range for me i suck at dodging so i need to keep away 😔

im using essence flayer rn so he just dashes thru the sickles

[silver wadi]

if this is infernum, most of his fight is just ramdashing into him

only times you really have to dodge are the flame trail dashes and the fireballs

also it shoots homing projectiles, so it's got some pretty damn good range

[untold pollen]

the fireballs are the ones i suck at dodging ikeep forgetting when he does them

[silver wadi]

if you have your map overlaid with tab, he stops moving when the fireballs go out

that's how I learned to dodge them

[untold pollen]

alr

thanks

just made it to 2nd phase here i die to the fast ass dashes

[silver wadi]

those are all just ramdashing into him

you can stand almost entirely still apart from the dashing

if you dash away you will get hit

[vernal bloom]

I feel like true melee sucks

[untold pollen]

i ram dash into him but he dashes at me again before i can dash a second time

[vernal bloom]

because bosses either move around a lot or getting close to them is a death sentence

[nimble wing]

true melee sucks when the boss in question sucks for it, which is really not often in infernum

[vernal bloom]

looks like that'd be the case for most bosses then

ranged is just way safer

[untold pollen]

ill try out orderbringer again

I GET ADRENALINE AND THEN THIS MF GOES INVINCIBLE FOR THE WHOLE DURATION

[nimble wing]

what did i just say

[untold pollen]

@silver wadi thank you so much bro

the orderbringer now that i didnt run away so much acc worked so much better

[candid wind]

chat

im tryna farm exodium clusters for money

but moonlord hates me and wont spawn planetoids

[tight iron]

isnt that a one time thing

[candid wind]

…what

[icy kindle]

Infernum isn't out of date correct? or am I doing something incorrect

[untold pollen]

update it

try resubscribing or uninstall it then install it again

[icy kindle]

yeah I just tried that but I'll do that once again

[untold pollen]

try uninstalling it thru tmod loader if resubscribing doesnt work

[icy kindle]

hm, did both and I haven't seen any results

odd thing is on my work pc

infernum ran just fine

but on my current home pc it won't load it

[night fractal]

10 seconds i think

[silver wadi]

not me making a small world for some underworld loot 💀

the sunken sea boutta evaporate a second time

[brisk geyser]

what are some good ranged weapons for lunatic cultist infernum

blight spewer not cutting it

[silver wadi]

buddy does NOT belong

[neat wagon]

28k frame updates is wild

[cedar laurel]

Guass rifle

[silver wadi]

hit about 30k tile updates

average underworld flooding activities

[untold pollen]

what the fuck is gangalang doing in the underworld

[silver wadi]

eutrophic ray just goin on summer vacation

[humble marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cat-washed-soggy-wet-gif-16755473866192073463

[icy kindle]

Hopefully I can find some sort of fix, imma try just flat out reinstalling

[candid wind]

are planetoids only a one time thing

[elder nebula]

what

what does that mean

[tardy cedar]

Anybody know what tab the combat expert sells platform hammerizer

[smoky dock]

curses

[untold pollen]

alright gangsters what do i use against exos

[untold pollen]

what mod is this

[smoky dock]

Dragon Rage

[heady valley]

hii ive played calamity a load and wanted to do a super modded playthrough, what would u guys reccomend? i really wanna try fargo soul dlc

[icy kindle]

my infernum post reinstall is still messed up, I'm just gonna wait on it

[smoky dock]

The more mods you add, the less stable your game will be

Stick to Souls DLC with no other major content mods

Smaller ones like QoL and such are OK

[heady valley]

kk thank u! do u think i should do eternity revengence?

or whatever

[fading dove]

eternity death

[faint arrow]

okay so... do we have ANY idea what the plan is for Empress

[smoky dock]

well for intro I'm sure you can solve that with a staircase

[faint arrow]

maybe but that feels like a lot of setup doesn't it

[smoky dock]

THen just use any reasonably speedy movement method

Yeah, but do you have a better solution?

[fading dove]

cheese micrododges on opener

thats it

thats all i can think of

[smoky dock]

You can try tinkering with antigravity hook but good luck with that

[faint arrow]

true, but like.

[faint arrow]

.... actually imma do that some lmao

[fading dove]

wait nvm that doesnt even work on opener p3 version

[smoky dock]

It'll require just as much effort, but then it's inconsistent in the actual run

[fading dove]

yeah i got no idea for empress

[untold pollen]

what else

[fading dove]

moon's gonna be the easiest part though

[smoky dock]

what do you mean 'what else?'

That's it

That's all you need

[untold pollen]

forgot ur the true melee lover

[fading dove]

drage makes near instant work of thana, ares stands still half the time, and hunters also stand still half the time

soooooooooo

[untold pollen]

alr

[fading dove]

i recommend thana + ares

i dont think solo ares would be fun to try and do tmelee

[smoky dock]

It's not

[untold pollen]

what mod is this from though

[smoky dock]

Thanatos -> Ares is pretty much objectively the best selection for Dragon Rage

[fading dove]

prisma's pristine potions

[faint arrow]

yeah welcome to my dilemma

[smoky dock]

i lowkey wanna gatekeep prisma's

[faint arrow]

without wings the fight becomes rough as hell

[faint arrow]

wdym?

[smoky dock]

Invent a very fucked up and very evil solution. I'm sure it exists!

wihtout accessories though, uhhhh

wait no intro is super trivial

just

use the cute fishron

[faint arrow]

falling works apparently????

no complaints, thanks plague armor ig

[faint arrow]

I'm following defiled rules btw :3

[fading dove]

"falling works apparently" immediately dies

[smoky dock]

Ah

[faint arrow]

different attack dumbass

okay what alcohols and weapons you think

[smoky dock]

Yeah that looks similar to what I did for mine

you should do daytime btw 👁️ 👁️

[faint arrow]

this is my last boss before cultist, so I have Fishron PPG and Ravager killed

[faint arrow]

hmmmmm

nah

[smoky dock]

During my runs I was thinking that antigrav was possible

[untold pollen]

are you... no hitting without accessories?

[smoky dock]

So experiment with that for a little while

[faint arrow]

ok so what weapons y'all think I should start with btw

[smoky dock]

tbh hooks in general are gonna be your savior

[smoky dock]

vrial spourt

[faint arrow]

are you... judging me 👁️👁️

[smoky dock]

except this time you can safely use the orthocera

[faint arrow]

still

??

[untold pollen]

no.. i am afraid of you

[faint arrow]

good

be afraid

[smoky dock]

yeah ofc

empress is also vulnerable to sickness

[faint arrow]

grant me power!!

[untold pollen]

i am extremely afraid

[faint arrow]

ookay, yeah valid

[smoky dock]

We are powered by fear!

[faint arrow]

and what primary weapon then

[smoky dock]

prikki_intensifies

[smoky dock]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[faint arrow]

haha

[untold pollen]

both of you have something very deeply wrong with you

[smoky dock]

yes

[faint arrow]

your point? :3

[silk raptor]

dude how the hell are you supposed to dodge the fireballs in infernum moonlord?? I cant figure it out

[candid wind]

how

did i beat dog

in 31 attempts

[smoky dock]

Anyways I think your primary weapon can reliably stay as bat scepter

[faint arrow]

Typhons Greed was good for Fishron but I assume not for Empress

[candid wind]

i jokingly said “im beating this boss immediately”

and i

[smoky dock]

I've never heard of that weapon

[faint arrow]

yeah I can go back to bat scepter, then regain mana whenever I need to biome blade or whatever

[faint arrow]

look at my fishron fight then

[smoky dock]

Your primary weapon probably won't matter too much, especially compared to the utility of like

Decay's Retort

[faint arrow]

worked great, hell I had to lose my summon potion for mnl

[faint arrow]

wha

[smoky dock]

Biome Blade-Evil

[faint arrow]

oh

yes

very true

[smoky dock]

Honestly I don't wanna know what the hell Typhon's Greed is

[faint arrow]

post-Anahita weapon

[smoky dock]

The less I know about non-true melee, the funnier

[faint arrow]

false melee

I did get a lot of true melee hits with it though

[smoky dock]

False melee

Prikki_Is_Done_With_Your_Shit

Begone

[faint arrow]

I know

I know

I was trying to find a weapon, and it being a weapon that swings around me made it good at removing the bubbles

[smoky dock]

What plan do you have for moom

[faint arrow]

Myrindael and pray

[smoky dock]

Is it just hooks and slimy saddly

[smoky dock]

kringe

Myrindael is post-cultist

[faint arrow]

oh

[smoky dock]

You will use Decay's Retort and you will like it

[faint arrow]

I took "moom" as in "moon lord"

[smoky dock]

Moom as in

[faint arrow]

Biome Blade and Saddle yeah

[smoky dock]

when she steals the moom

Stolen Celestial Object

[fading dove]

moon is funny because trident lets you fall just barely fast enough to nohit it in water

like i don't think there's more than like

30 frames of leeway there

[smoky dock]

now you have to do it underwater srorgy

[fading dove]

is lava shark banned in defiled

if not then there you go

lava shark can actually nohit inf empress

[faint arrow]

yeah that's my bad for misunderstanding

[smoky dock]

no it's not banned in defiled for the same reason flippers potion isn't banned

[fading dove]

well

there's your win button

[smoky dock]

If it turns out to be banned from defiled I'm going to kill the judges

[fading dove]

the secret ingredient to lava shark is https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Trident

[faint arrow]

I have used flipper potions so many times

[fading dove]

it actually does increase downward speed, despite the stopwatch not saying you move faster

[faint arrow]

underwater golem ftw btw

[faint arrow]

oo alr

[smoky dock]

Underwater lava

[fading dove]

i have nohit every series of 3 attacks on empress with lava shark

its just a matter of execution

[faint arrow]

valid lmao

I found lava shark a bit cheesy tho tbh

[fading dove]

yeah moon requires being incredibly fucking tight with your movement

[faint arrow]

when I tried it for Destroyer

[smoky dock]

Empress is a fight where shit like this is acceptable

[fading dove]

i'd definitely say lava shark falls off somewhere around post plant

[smoky dock]

What else do you have for moom?

[faint arrow]

true, that's why I'm worried about it

[smoky dock]

Intro is solvable pretty easily with an admittedly obnoxious build

[fading dove]

you shouldnt have to deal with 14 moons like i did

[smoky dock]

Everything else is light work

Moom is not.

[faint arrow]

jeez okay

[fading dove]

its accel is very good for the terraprisma attacks

once youve got the movement down on moon, its not too bad

[silver wadi]

forbidden enchant is so fucking good holy shit

free proj multiplier, free wing time refresher, and its own sustained DoT if you can manipulate the boss AI

current loadout, just beat calclone

@fading dove you farg some souls is my build alright

[faint arrow]

that's what I'm worried about but fair

would Flairon be good for Empress

or worse than Bat Scepter

[untold pollen]

alr what accessories do i run for exos armor i got auric +

[fading dove]

palladium and apprentice essence are probably the weakest there but they're still respectable

[fading dove]

i remember flairon being a good pick for eternity empress despite her having a 50% homing dr so i'm pretty sure it's good

yeah its rated A in cal

i know bubble gun's fucked up during a bunch of attacks

[silk raptor]

FUCK

good god i just want to be done with this fuck ass fight

[silver wadi]

yeah, palladium especially, I'm just running apprentice rn for the mindless golden shower application

[fading dove]

forbidden ench's power is very much dependent on how much you move and how the boss moves

for example, its insane on golem

but not super hot on like calclone

[silver wadi]

honestly I had a pretty good time using it on calclone

[fading dove]

oh right she stands to the side quite a bit

and brothers are still during flamethrowers

[silver wadi]

same with the brothers, usually one takes turns being on the side while the other dashes

yeah

I tried hallowed enchant, it seems good but I really don't wanna switch up my playstyle to revolve around it

[fading dove]

i think its really good with crystalline congregation too

[silver wadi]

basically converts your potion into a regen buff

[fading dove]

the reflect is a bonus effect

the stronger potions are unironically kinda zoated ngl

iirc they aren't affected by mutant nibble either

[silver wadi]

pause what

ok, got a use then

[calm dirge]

check your tedit guys

disable autosave

[silk raptor]

oh thank fuck

[calm dirge]

congration

[fading dove]

wiz hallowed's +70% healing on potions can actually go kinda big with healing cooldown reduction but i think it'd still be weaker than just running hallowed ench because of how many slots it'd take

[silver wadi]

yeah, I've noticed that with wizard

[fading dove]

im not super sure though

[calm dirge]

are yall talking ab souls mod

[silver wadi]

really strong, but never really worth 2 accessory slots

[fading dove]

i know that pumpking's cape is absolutely colossal if you can get the parry

[silver wadi]

yeah we're farging it

[fading dove]

yeah souls dlc

reaver ench is just insane right now

especially wiz reaver

[silver wadi]

about to work towards plantera so that's good to know

[calm dirge]

i tried doing a souls mod playthrough but it was too confusing and i gave up immediately

[silver wadi]

how's the frost enchantment? I was trying it earlier and it was kinda nice but felt like the icicles just did too little

[fading dove]

its

ehhhhhh

not worth

[silver wadi]

also tried huntress, which sounded amazing on paper until I found it kinda breaks with a bunch of mage weapons

[fading dove]

huntress is really good if you can always hit your shots

[silver wadi]

like brimflame rose, it counts every beam when checking of you landed a hit

which uh

[fading dove]

wiz reaver swift gives 15 regen

[faint arrow]

y'know what would be nice

[fading dove]

and plated gives 30 defence and dr

[silver wadi]

good luck landing all of these beams at once for huntress

[fading dove]

ooohhhhhhh

yeah

[silver wadi]

and my main weapon rn is magnolia, which is a very slow projectile that explodes into homing petals

so also not great for huntress

[faint arrow]

if Glorious End didn't do self damage

[fading dove]

homing doesn't increase, but does benefit

[faint arrow]

magnolia is great ngl

[fading dove]

from SS to SSS

[silver wadi]

probably won't use huntress/red riding until I start getting some of the better laser weapons for mage

since those I'm fairly confident in being able to land

[faint arrow]

okay but small issue, it's disallowed in nohits cuz of the damage

[fading dove]

what if they changed it to deal 1 damage so that its meaningless for normal but banned in nohits

[silver wadi]

so what it already does lmao

[fading dove]

deals like 60 damage iirc

[silver wadi]

yeah, but with any reasonable amount of defense/armor it's 1

[fading dove]

its a decent chunk last time i checked

80 to 96 yeah

wait no

wait yeah thats if it hits

40 to 48 if you manually release

[calm dirge]

why is melee so fucking easy

[faint arrow]

manual release should do no damage pleaseeee

[cedar laurel]

what

[faint arrow]

I want mobility for moon attackkk

[silver wadi]

fused lens seems really really good

actually gonna swap that for apprentice

basically doing the same thing as an apprentice everglade anyways

but more consistent and extra dmg buffs

[fading dove]

are you post 2 or post 3 mech

because dubious is

its top end

[silver wadi]

post 3, I'm getting dubious soon

just need to refight devi rq

9/10 essence fml

[cedar laurel]

Free with lead ench

[calm dirge]

i didnt know crabulons theme was "1NF3S+@+!0N"

[fading dove]

twins install doesnt work on holdouts

well the speed bonus

you still get the twins imbue and crit chance

hell, you can even just flash it to inflict the debuffs

[silver wadi]

KB IMMUNE RAAAAH

that part will be nice til I get asgard

but I plan on ditching asgard for ninja gear when possible anyways

wait what

the debuff install has 0 CD and can be toggled whenever I want?

that's actually insane wtf

[calm dirge]

lih 💔 🥀 zard

[calm dirge]

wheres this from?

[fading dove]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1obh1n7TIxufvph4KQy1rv7rO4bL1au0XJNESTQptLZ4/edit?tab=t.0

its got dlc items and some slight adjustments for dlc

[calm dirge]

ohh awesome thank you!!

[silver wadi]

also the fact the DoT doesn't interfere with adrenline is huge

and I can stack it with brimflame

[smoky dock]

yes that's me

[silver wadi]

I am going to commit so much war crimes

[fading dove]

i love titan heart enchantment's description

well the ranking

[calm dirge]

i think this will give me the motivation to actually play it

because honestly

[fading dove]

"If you can find a boss that lets you run in one direction in a straight line on a platform without taking any damage, this is the perfect enchantment for those bosses! Unfortunately, if you discover any bosses like this cough cough astrum aureus cough cough ravager, you probably didn’t have much trouble killing them anyway."

[silver wadi]

titan heart looked really funny, but also just not worth a slot

[smoky dock]

REAL

[calm dirge]

i tried doing calamity + souls dlc and gave up immediately

[fading dove]

the ravager

[calm dirge]

because i got confused and didnt even know where to start

[silver wadi]

life alloy moment

[smoky dock]

learned helplessness

[fading dove]

but yeah titan heart ench is really good if you can use it

[silver wadi]

so far I've been doing blind cal/souls and it's been the most fun I've had in awhile

[silver wadi]

only outside stuff for calsouls I've had is this chat

and barely anyone in here actually plays it lol

I will not be using the tierlist because I wanna fail on my own

[fading dove]

understandable

[silver wadi]

I'll save the tierlist for when I do masodeath

[calm dirge]

does ravager have some crazy like damage res against the exalted oathblad

[calm dirge]

whats that mean

[smoky dock]

no ravager is just obscenely fat

[calm dirge]

can you send me the tierlist pls :3

[calm dirge]

im doing 200 dps

[cedar laurel]

Have you consider fighting dungeon guardian

[smoky dock]

punishment for false melee...........

Are you getting true melee hits in or

[silver wadi]

I have not considered fighting guardian yet, but I do know it drops something

so I'll do it eventually

[calm dirge]

yes

[fading dove]

dlc dg is very possible early on because of certain preboss items that cal adds

[silver wadi]

is desert prowler one of those

[fading dove]

flash rounds and luxor's gift

[silver wadi]

hey so quick question about the orichalcum enchant's wording

[fading dove]

in dlc, its benefit is lowered, but is still a benefit

[silver wadi]

when it refers to flower petals, does it refer to the ones already given by the armor bonus, or does it just do the armor bonus but in an accessory slot