calamity-addon-talk

[indigo elm]

and I can't move it

[tardy cedar]

Yeah

[indigo elm]

So do I gotta just do it like this, or?

[tardy cedar]

fargo's mutant mod might help

You could do ravage first tho ig

[weary notch]

orrr

makes sense

can kill ravager for the scoria ore and make the pickaxe to mine the lizhard bricks

[indigo elm]

wouldn't that be way harder?

[weary notch]

nope

[fading dove]

ravager is easy

[weary notch]

ravager aint shi

[fading dove]

but so is golem

[weary notch]

both of them can get sneezed on and die

[tepid ruin]

man, why do fireballs on my end don't span in these predictable, tight patterns?

[indigo elm]

just that I've never played infernum before and dunno the patterns

[tepid ruin]

The spread on my end seems a lot more huge

[fading dove]

golem needs a bunch of sneezes but he also doesn't fight back very much

[tepid ruin]

Golem? More like...sans

[weary notch]

yea they do that
they track your movement so if it isnt controlled and precise the spread is larger

[night fractal]

ness undertale

[fading dove]

steven aft

[indigo elm]

Yeah I can see the patterns he's dishing out, the problem is that the smaller room is making it annoying

[weary notch]

imagine if sans shows up in deltrarune

i will shit myself

[little steppe]

if you fight it enough you'll learn the patterns

[weary notch]

or just watch nohits

[little steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sans-meme-deltarune-undertale-gif-26659884

[night fractal]

did sans not show up in part 1

[weary notch]

SA-

[weary notch]

like in the otherworld

[fading dove]

yknow what'd be really scary

[weary notch]

the closet thing

[fading dove]

if toriel was in deltarune

:cl

[little steppe]

I mean

toriel is

[weary notch]

what it called

[fading dove]

the dark world

[little steppe]

in a dark world

[weary notch]

dark world or sumn like that

yea

[night fractal]

y'know what would be REALLY scary

[little steppe]

I dont even need ch3 for that

[weary notch]

dark world sans and toriel

[night fractal]

deltarune tody

[little steppe]

tru

[weary notch]

deltarune in -2 hours

[little steppe]

deltarune should be tomorrow

[fading dove]

deltarune is in 3 motherfucking seconds

[night fractal]

deltarune more like

[little steppe]

My goat ceased to exist

[weary notch]

surprised toby didnt delay deltarune for like 3 hours last minute jsut as a troll

[crimson dirge]

found this flower on the brimstone craig after defeating providence. it seems to be indestructible. does it have any purpose behind?

[little steppe]

rest in piss

[night fractal]

bad undertale laugh emoji laugh soundtrack

[fading dove]

memorial to those lost

[weary notch]

where tf woody even come from for deltarune tho

[weary notch]

scal placed it there

[fading dove]

toby fox made a friend inside me ytp

[little steppe]

toby himself made the original friend inside me

[crimson dirge]

thats sweet

[night fractal]

Should I play deltarune

[little steppe]

and some dude just

[night fractal]

nah

[little steppe]

went insane

[fading dove]

so people were smoking crack and thinking that woody from toy story was gonna be in deltarune

[weary notch]

and tweaked all ofver making a woody theory

wow

[little steppe]

well not actual woody but something similar to him

[weary notch]

well if that wasnt a stretch idk what is

be real

if something like that happened

[little steppe]

aint no way toby is going to put a super giga ultra turbo copyrighted character

[night fractal]

I know I was here but I was not paying attention to what was said before this and ???

[weary notch]

disney would prob sue

[fading dove]

you will be able to play Brandish in chapter 7 👀

[fading dove]

probably?

[weary notch]

defenitely

[fading dove]

they'd immediately bankrupt him

[nimble wing]

Cal and Fables still have very different visions for their mods and would clash if they got back together
And it sounds like all you saw was the boss fights, which is a pretty disingenuous way to look at Fables because it aims to reimagine everything

[little steppe]

woody theory wasnt actual woody in deltarune just like a cowboy with similarities

beacuse of copyright

[weary notch]

well we got undertale yellow alr

[little steppe]

[little steppe]

true

[weary notch]

cant wait for undertale blue and cyan

man cyan finna be a short ass game

didnt the patience soul die in the ruins

[little steppe]

isnt undertale blue also undertale ourple

probably?

[weary notch]

yea their items are in the ruins

[fading dove]

when are we getting undertale red :cl

[little steppe]

never

[little steppe]

maybe that human died while ruins were still the capital

pretty sure that was the very first human so

maybe

[weary notch]

normal

[fading dove]

first human was chara

[weary notch]

2nd human then

[little steppe]

first that got killed

[weary notch]

hey the perserverance soul has to canonically be a genocide route tho

[little steppe]

thats integrity

[weary notch]

since their items was covered in mosnter dust

[little steppe]

perseverance is ourple

[weary notch]

idfk

[little steppe]

and book

[weary notch]

last time i checked undertale was about 3-4 years ago

[little steppe]

now its 10

or will be

in a couple months

[weary notch]

yea the integrity mf

[fading dove]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-death-davy-jones-falls-in-water-remote-gif-22568708

[weary notch]

them have to be canonically a genocide route

[little steppe]

old

well maybe not a genocide

they could have killed a bunch

also

addonous

[tepid ruin]

Okay, now the stupid beam spam attack in phase 3

How are you even supposed to dodge that?

[little steppe]

3 like

like

[tepid ruin]

The crystal

[little steppe]

chapte-

[tepid ruin]

Well, the core I guess

I'm talking providence

[little steppe]

pray

[tepid ruin]

Like, seriously? It's just a "get bad rng, get fucked"?

[little steppe]

yes

[tepid ruin]

I physically don't have the vertical accel/fall speed to dodge that

[little steppe]

slimy saddle

[grim swallow]

my sun got eaten

[fading dove]

portal gun and holding S

[little steppe]

and maybe hook

[little steppe]

would portal gun even work

theres no floor

[fading dove]

it increases fall speed to 179mph

[tepid ruin]

That just sounds like a surefire way to propel yourself into lava

[fading dove]

starboard has absurd accel

[nimble wing]

Swap to Myrindael, play Rabbids Go Home Music - Batuta Din Moldova, and cross your fingers

[smoky dock]

REAL

[night fractal]

Holding Portal Gun is so funny

[smoky dock]

okay i have an idea

an alcohol

with no upside

no effect other than boosting your fall speed like that

[nimble wing]

Everclear should have no upside whatsoever

[smoky dock]

wdym

[night fractal]

-25% dmg

[smoky dock]

it doesn't

[night fractal]

-5 HP/sec

4 alcohol slots

[smoky dock]

Hell yeah

[night fractal]

Perfect

[smoky dock]

Ship it

Call it Rat Poison

[night fractal]

I mean

Red Wine was broken as heck for a minute

[nimble wing]

It’s literally straight ethanol I don’t think there should be any good reason to consume it

[night fractal]

It made vertical velocity 25% stronger

[smoky dock]

"this right here's my good ol thallium and cyanide brew"

[night fractal]

It was uh

really good

[smoky dock]

exactly!

[grim swallow]

am I correct that my sun is uhh
GONE

[smoky dock]

also everclear shouldn't last for one minute

[night fractal]

yes

[grizzled onyx]

Toxic Heart be like:

[fading dove]

quicksilver drink that kills you after 4 hours

[smoky dock]

eated

i ated it

[night fractal]

all alcohol will be 5 minutes probably

now

[smoky dock]

Good

[indigo elm]

Am I missing something? Why does he jump off the map and despawn? 😭

[humble marlin]

dont fight bosses near the world border

[smoky dock]

It was SO fucking obnoxious to deal with the stupid ass 1 minute long duration on everclear. Made an already unusable drink even more unusable

[nimble wing]

Make everclear last an HOUR

[night fractal]

red wine was +25% vertical speed -25% flight time and

I think it was the single most broken item I've ever made

[nimble wing]

Progressively decaying stats and vision

[night fractal]

just kidding

[indigo elm]

alr

[night fractal]

but barely

[nimble wing]

Make the player suffer for replacing their blood with a neurotoxin

[night fractal]

new alcohol is peak though

overall

both the wines are fun especially stacked

Haha now only 37.5% of my max flight time is usable

but

I zoom and fly forever near enemies

[humble marlin]

infinite flight glitch (scal)

[grim swallow]

I should be using the nebula wings or which ones

[silver wadi]

infinite flight glitch when slippery shogun enters the room:

if using nebula armor, always use the set wings

[fading dove]

solar, stardust, or starboard

[silver wadi]

otherwise, use elysian or starboard

[fading dove]

nebula mantle and vortex booster fucking suck

[night fractal]

nebula is not bad

if you run treads

[silver wadi]

don't ever tell my hover wings they suck AGAIN

[fading dove]

starboard is very yummy

[night fractal]

Fun fact!

Nebula and Angel wings have same max horizontal speed

[grim swallow]

wait I dont understand

[night fractal]

funner fact! Vortex and angel wings have same max horizontal speed AND horizontal accel

[silver wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[grim swallow]

is the nebula armor better than the astral

[silver wadi]

who the fuck cooked this garbage up

[night fractal]

(this does not count hover)

[night fractal]

they're sidegrades

[silver wadi]

I would say yes 100%

[night fractal]

use whichever you prefer

[silver wadi]

BUT

[night fractal]

Astral is better if you use support minions of any type

[silver wadi]

only if you're pure mage, and only if you're maintaining all the buffs

^

[night fractal]

astral armor with brittle star defense go brrr

[silver wadi]

as soon as you get into a bit of hybrid classing or your buff uptime sucks, astral is better

can't wait to get demonshade so I can use 10 brittle star staves

ok but real question are we getting star staff upgrade with aquatic

don't even need them to give more defense I just want them to be slightly less fugly

[night fractal]

pliable star staff

[humble marlin]

deepsea + brittle 🔥

[fading dove]

nebula gives +22.5% damage to all classes

[night fractal]

astral gives significantly more than that

[fading dove]

also the regen

[night fractal]

the defensive brittle star shaped hole

having 3 more minions is kinda huge

[fading dove]

15 defence when 5 regen walks in

wait no

thats 10 regen

[silver wadi]

yeah, imo nebula is significantly better than astral for mages, but it all comes down to your buff uptime

like, nebula is so good it makes me wish the luminite sets were part of auric tesla

[fading dove]

keep in mind that this is cal nerfed nebula

[humble marlin]

need something that makes buffs last longer 🙏

[fading dove]

vanilla nebula gives 18 regen

it used to give 30

most justified nerf imaginable

[humble marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/inabakumori-osage-osager-whatever-go-my-fish-whatever-go-my-scarab-gif-16035821169335511040

[grim swallow]

I jave 2 open slots

what do I put there

probably a dodge yeah?

like whats the best dodge item post ml?

[weak spade]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

🫧 🐠

Blub blub

[tardy cedar]

Cherished sealocket 🤑🤑

[grim swallow]

nooo

not the immortality accesory

[humble marlin]

mreow

[weak spade]

mreow

[grim swallow]

Oh yeah post moonlord starts very painfully

Infernum guards...

[gaunt crystal]

what can I change for goozma

death mode expert

cant beat him no matter what I try

post scal/exos

using tyrannys end with bloodthirsty unreal

[fading dove]

iirc goozma doesnt resist heavenly gale

or really any rang*r weapon

[gaunt crystal]

I wanted to stick with guns/special but tbh atp I think I might even try it

[silver wadi]

what's below shattered community?

[fading dove]

nvm it has 20% resist to the lightning and 15% resist to gss and holy fire

[silver wadi]

oh yeah 100% go bow here

[fading dove]

dynamo stem cells

[gaunt crystal]

what enchant and arrow type?

[fading dove]

iirc no enchant, and the ones with the highest damage

make sure to use powerful and not unreal

[gaunt crystal]

why?

less crit same dmg

[fading dove]

more damage

less speed is better

lets it fire for longer

also it auto hits the daawnlight reticle

[dusty cobalt]

metanova ranger being disgusting again

[fading dove]

which is just guaranteed crits along with 1.2x damage

[gaunt crystal]

wait wym longer?

[gaunt crystal]

ohh ic

[spice pike]

Is wrath the gods acting up for anyone else?

[gaunt crystal]

I dont want to wait for the buff tho do I?

[gaunt crystal]

not for me

[fading dove]

you always want to charge it to max

[fading dove]

are you in multiplayer

[gaunt crystal]

kk got it

just

something doesnt seem right

[nimble wing]

lol?

[agile peak]

turn on reforge rng in calamity config

[gaunt crystal]

ohh ok

thxx

started shimmer reforging and holy sht it would have taken a WHILE

[worldly roost]

Calamity has a set order of reforges

so itll always get the best in a few reforges

and it wont upgrade from unreal

[gaunt crystal]

just burned through 300 plat

but got it eventually lol

and only shoot once it's glowing?

[fading dove]

once a little star appears at the tip

[gaunt crystal]

so hard to see ;-;

[gaunt crystal]

so I should go all menacing?

[fading dove]

no

use daawnlight spirit origin over dynamo stem cells

[gaunt crystal]

so still lucky?

[fading dove]

warding

[dusty cobalt]

is that accessory actually good?

[valid thistle]

what melee weapon for infernum plantera do I use?

[inland sail]

same you did for cal clone

[fading dove]

with heavenly gale which is guaranteed to hit the reticle, yeah

[dusty cobalt]

good 2 know

[tepid ruin]

Yeah, okay, I hate the crystal form beam barrage still, it's just pure randomness

[gaunt crystal]

which boss?

inf prov?

[tepid ruin]

yeah, infernum providence

[spice pike]

No, lot of mods on though.

[tepid ruin]

And the thing is, I kind of figured out that the strat is to go where the beams appear initially, but they only show up there so briefly it's near impossible to react to

[gaunt crystal]

FINALLY

lucky adrenaline let me skip p2

[tepid ruin]

Okay, whew, got my win

Finally, geez

[grim swallow]

Oh yeah I am also gonna suffer tomorrow

Guardians and theb provi

Tho in this run it seems weird

Bosses that I dont fear kick my ass and break all my bones

[gaunt crystal]

do I still use warding for death mode avatar/nameless?

or do they deal too much dmg

[grim swallow]

Bosses I am scared of arent hatd

[tepid ruin]

Guardians are definitely a lot rougher

[grim swallow]

Depends

In last run providence felt harder

[crude oak]

what rogue weapon for scal

[grim swallow]

Should I be scared of goozma

[gaunt crystal]

yes

[grim swallow]

Atom splitter and supernova

[crude oak]

wb dreamtastic

[gaunt crystal]

hes hell

[tepid ruin]

Do I actually care about using blazing core?

[gaunt crystal]

pain and suffering incarnate

[grim swallow]

Idk about it

I was a stealth rogue

[grim swallow]

How much hp has he got

[gaunt crystal]

like

uhh

in death expert 2x 8mil?

no wait

[grim swallow]

Oh god

He revives does he

[gaunt crystal]

42 mil 🫠

[grim swallow]

Uhh

[gaunt crystal]

oopsies spoiler

[grim swallow]

isnt he supposed to be on tier with scal and draedon

[gaunt crystal]

yea he is

you need to kill him to get shadowspec

I am on death tho if that influences it

probably not that bad normally

[grim swallow]

You are bad at math

Its 4.250mil

[gaunt crystal]

oh

yea thats wrong

[grim swallow]

So hes got a total of 8.500.000 hp

[gaunt crystal]

wait Ill summon him rq

[grim swallow]

I mean
Does infernum count as death mode for addon bosses

[gaunt crystal]

no

dont think so

[gaunt crystal]

ok yeah

think his 2nd phase has more tho??

[grim swallow]

Why is it always the slimes that wanna do some shit

[gaunt crystal]

nah Im just bad

just 4.2 twice

anyway, which is best for avatar/nameless?

[waxen tide]

contagion , soma prime or svan

[grim swallow]

No I mean thats the second slime boss I know that revives

Because why not

[gaunt crystal]

1st was inf slime god?

[grim swallow]

He doesnt truly revive

First one is astrageldon

[fast nacelle]

But halibut cannon…

[supple night]

anyone know why is my empress of light randomly disappeared mid fight? im on calamity infernum(multiplayer)

[fast nacelle]

Oh

Yeah

Multiplayer

[fading dove]

halibut has its base damage halved in inf

50 -> 25

[fast nacelle]

I know

Did I stutter?

[supple night]

what multiplayer? is it bug in multiplayer?

[grim swallow]

Multiplayer shits

Multiplayer is not optimised for infernum

Because she wont despawn at all

Even if it becomes daytime

[supple night]

oh i get it

[smoky dock]

I really wanna use halibut cannon for a SCal yeshit but fearmonger x bloodflare rounds seems unoptimal

I really don’t wanna use gss 👁️ 👁️

[gaunt crystal]

Im not on infernum

[humble marlin]

photoviscerator

[gaunt crystal]

just death avatar/nameless now

[smoky dock]

actually that makes me curious

does the halibut cannon nerf apply when the Infernum mod is enabled? Or when the difficulty is enabled?

[fast nacelle]

Prikki

https://tenor.com/view/tegu-pet-grab-silly-enjoyment-gif-27617448

[smoky dock]

OMG HIII!!!

YAAY

[fast nacelle]

Yayaya

[gaunt crystal]

probably if the mods on

but does that mean halibut if not on inf?

[fast nacelle]

Oh my touch tone touch tone telephone

[grim swallow]

Also guys
My world is freezing
Will that fuck up abyss loot?

[smoky dock]

idk

[grim swallow]

Because thats the only thing I will need from it

[smoky dock]

i just like halibut cannon

i would use it even if it was bad

[grim swallow]

Its because of the wotg thingies

[acoustic sage]

bro ataraxia does not do enough damage to the exo mech twins in infernum

there has to be a better weapon

like theres no way there isnt

[gaunt crystal]

wym?

[smoky dock]

i always use dragon rage for all three

[gaunt crystal]

world gen?

[grim swallow]

After killing ml in worg the world starts to freeze

[tepid ruin]

Hmm...

[grim swallow]

No like enemy spawning

[tepid ruin]

tarragon or intergalactic?

[grim swallow]

Class

[tepid ruin]

melee

[grim swallow]

Idk then

[tepid ruin]

The whole rock ring doesn't seem awfully useful

[acoustic sage]

how are you using dragon rage on the twins

or whatever they called

none of them get up in your face besides the worm

[grim swallow]

Its useful for dog I think?

[tepid ruin]

Yeah but so is halving contact damage

[smoky dock]

That’s right

So you need to get into their face

Gotta make an activp

[grim swallow]

Or you can just take worm+twins combo

So they will fly into you and you will destroy them

[acoustic sage]

yea but they rigid

they always be keeping they distance

cant put them up against the net if theres no net to put them up against

[crude oak]

Just died to Scal last desperation phase

attack

[fading dove]

theyre not glued to the sides of your screen in here

[crude oak]

literally like 3 seconds before it ended

[acoustic sage]

swear on everything

[fading dove]

neither eternity nor infernum hunters do that

hell in infernum, apollo's stationary a pretty good amount of the time

[grim swallow]

Thats rough

[smoky dock]

Absolutely don’t

[crude oak]

2nd time too

[grim swallow]

Why not

[crude oak]

twins ares is the correct way

[smoky dock]

Ares solo is more or less not possible with true melee

[acoustic sage]

on EVERYTHING

[grim swallow]

Ohh yeah true melee

[heavy moat]

Emode Artemis and Apollo were expressly designed with zoning and true melee potential as a consideration (albeit not necessarily to a point of artificiality)

[acoustic sage]

they are glued

[smoky dock]

Good!!!! I lime this!!!

now i gotta do emode now

[grim swallow]

I have yet to true melee infernum

I havent played melee at all

[tepid ruin]

It's pretty fun

[smoky dock]

A&A are only hittable with dragon rage during basic attack

[tepid ruin]

Challenging enough if you don't use the baby pure projectile weapons

[smoky dock]

But their basic attack is also the attack they spend the most time in, and the only one guaranteed to happen

And the first one they try to use when they begin attacking

[grim swallow]

Maybe I should do true melee as my first melee run?

[smoky dock]

i’ve never done fake melee so

I can’t twll you how good or bad an idea that is

[fast nacelle]

Underanges your lihzahrd

[smoky dock]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[grim swallow]

Like there is 5 classes but more like 7 different game styles

[crude oak]

Stealth vs Spam

❤️

[smoky dock]

There’s more than that imo

[crude oak]

Stealth the goat

[grim swallow]

Melee true melee ranger mage summoner rogue(spam) rogue(stealth)

[grim swallow]

Agree

[grim swallow]

I mean these are the most interesting ones

Like what would be other ones

[smoky dock]

Potion vs. regen mage

Active vs. passive summoner

Other styles I don’t think are consistently buildable for

er, well there are yoyos but

[grim swallow]

I mean

In one you just click more

Thats it

[smoky dock]

There’s a bit more difference than that

Potion mage also can use mana flower

[grim swallow]

That sounds like just artificial difficulty

Tho I see the summoner part

[fading dove]

has anyone actually done the math on how much mana pots reduce damage if they even do so

[grim swallow]

It will be more clear when we will get whips

[grim swallow]

Just get chaos stone

No dmg reduction

[fading dove]

well that reduces survivability and requires an accessory slot

[grim swallow]

[fading dove]

though upcoming chaos stone looks like it'll pair a lot better with regen mage

[smoky dock]

Regen mage has to worry about being completely unable to deal damage at all for a brief moment, but considering they can get mana better during off times and stand still to greed for more mana, it can possibly have superior damage output

[crude oak]

Just died to scal desperation phase final attack again

Fuck my life

[grim swallow]

There was a guide in this server for that phase

[fading dove]

wait no i think it'd be better with regen but using a mana pot to get back up above 0 mana

[smoky dock]

Plus the two genuinely care about their accessories. Obviously potion mages have chaos stone and mana flower, but they also don’t really care much about mana stats. Potions don’t hurt damage enough to really bother with mana efficiency unless the weapon is so hungry it spends more time with mana sickness than without

[night fractal]

update:
hover distance with both wines and caribbean rum

[smoky dock]

Regen mage really loves max mana and mana efficiency, since they both mean they can spend longer times dealing damage and won’t increase the downtime between bursts

Weapon choice matters too. There’s a lot of depth between the two

[fading dove]

i think the most mana hungry weapons i've used was either fate's reveal or void vortex

both with purity of course

[smoky dock]

Although we can all agree cuffs mage is perfect

[smoky dock]

I can’t fathom void vortex being anywhere near “mana hungry”

[grim swallow]

What do cuffs do

[fading dove]

regen a shitton of mana on hit

i think its like

4x the damage before any reduction

[smoky dock]

You recover mana proportional to the damage you take when you get hit

[fading dove]

nvm its just 1x

[grim swallow]

I do not like being hit

[fading dove]

but still

[smoky dock]

It’s literally peam

[fading dove]

taking a heavy attack is a guaranteed full mana

[night fractal]

no it's not

it needs an upgrade

[smoky dock]

Yes it is you’re just bad

[night fractal]

smh

[grim swallow]

I like getting adrenaline rage blasting brimflame and either melting the boss or dying

[smoky dock]

Only I know the art of facetanking

[night fractal]

sweetheart necklace + celestial cuffs just saying

[fading dove]

eerrrrrmmmmmm checkmate????

[grim swallow]

But still

[smoky dock]

then go regen mage

[night fractal]

those are the cuffs i was talking about

Sweetheart Cuffs would go hard

[smoky dock]

i really hate potion mage…

[grim swallow]

Nah

That build works especially well on bosses like EoL

Where if you get hit its almost over

So I was just constantly blasting mouse4

(tgats my setbonus bind)

[smoky dock]

Oh I thought you were saying it’s good because EoL has a lot of moments where she’s very easy to hit

[grim swallow]

That too

[smoky dock]

So you can go monkey mode with ease

[grim swallow]

Especially the attack where she casts like walls of the spears

[smoky dock]

That’s what I was thinking

There’s also the complete joke that is the first and third attacks of phase three

[grim swallow]

Same strat was utilised on argus because of how long he is

[grim swallow]

What are those attacks

[grim swallow]

And geldon because again

Half the fight he just sits there

[smoky dock]

First one is basically Cultist’s desperation without the beams

Third one is an upgraded attack of one from phase two

[fading dove]

the only attack that its easy to get chain hit by on empress is

[grim swallow]

The other half he is flying like a dumbass

[smoky dock]

But I can’t remember what it’s called or how to describe it

[smoky dock]

FUCK THAT ONE

[fading dove]

and its only easy to get chain hit if you don't have knockback immunity

it was easily the ender of the most of my preboss attempts

[grim swallow]

Fuck the attack before she turns into the moon

[fading dove]

free attack ngl

[grim swallow]

When she teleports and shoots around

[smoky dock]

Calling it an attack is pretty generous

Oh what the fuck

[fading dove]

its 100% consistent

[smoky dock]

You just stand there

You can choose to either hit the space bar or hit S

[grim swallow]

It hit me more times than any other attack

[smoky dock]

Dude

[weary notch]

adhd moment

cant stay still

[smoky dock]

Watch my nohit and see how I do it, I literally just stop moving

[grim swallow]

Dude I didnt know I could have not been movinh

And the start of the moon is insane

[smoky dock]

Always try to find an easier way to do everything

[grim swallow]

Before the beamy spiny

[smoky dock]

it is tbh

[fading dove]

moon is honestly one of my favourites because of how i had to figure out how to dodge it on lava shark

[grim swallow]

What

[smoky dock]

The first half of that attack probably killed me as many times as intro

[fading dove]

trust me its possible

you can entirely nohit it

but you need the nichest of niche tools

[grim swallow]

Why were you killing infernum EoL on lava shark

[fading dove]

trident

[smoky dock]

EoL intro would be so much better if flying in a straight line wasn’t a consistent solution

[fading dove]

the vanilla spear

[smoky dock]

because he friend

[fading dove]

didn't have any other viable mobility

[weary notch]

cripple mode

[smoky dock]

https://youtu.be/YQLVREThIiY

[weary notch]

hey cripple moab as a weapon would be nice

[grim swallow]

Tbh I died to the into attack (not during the intro tho) once

[fading dove]

lava shark is so insane for a preboss item

[grim swallow]

Were you at least in lava

[fading dove]

water

lava blinds you

[grim swallow]

Because sky island

[weary notch]

oh thats why plantera so so mid, i forgot my liquor

[fading dove]

couldve possibly done honey but it'd make aiming a lot harder

i wonder if preboss maso empress is possible

[smoky dock]

Doesn’t honey draw on top of everything else so you can’t see anything

[fading dove]

water does too

[smoky dock]

yeah

[fading dove]

honey's just not opaque like lava is

[smoky dock]

Oh, fuck, does it?

Is it not opaque?

[grim swallow]

Also

[crude oak]

Just died to the final phase of scal desperation phase for the 4th time

[proud hamlet]

So I just defeated skeletron, and I tped back to my base when Solyn decided to fall out of the sky, and she didn't appear on the ground or anywhere else 💀 Is she just not gonna exist now?

[fading dove]

yeah you can very slightly see the walls behind the pool

[gaunt crystal]

I always die during the avatar phase where it covers your screen with a red filter what am I supposed to do?????

[crude oak]

spawn her in with hero mod

[grim swallow]

Does anyone here does an actual plantera arena or do we all just dig out the shrine room with the bulbs

[smoky dock]

I do

I use the same arena I used for queen bee

I used the same arena for everything

[gaunt crystal]

dont even have to dig it out tbh

[crude oak]

i fight queen bee on surface

ngl

[gaunt crystal]

at least for infernum/standard

[grim swallow]

I fight queen bee in the hive

[gaunt crystal]

youre a psychopath

[smoky dock]

It gets the queen be Arena or it gets nothing

[grim swallow]

And how easier is PBG how shes supposed to be fought

[smoky dock]

Quite a bit

[proud hamlet]

Yeah I did just beat queen bee in the hive too

[fading dove]

oh yeah i measured them and the vernal pass is larger than a city buster

[proud hamlet]

Was pretty easy

[smoky dock]

The dashing angle offset is reduced in addition to less speed

[grim swallow]

Ohh cool

[fading dove]

vernal pass is like 160x125 while a city buster is 129x129

[grim swallow]

Doesnt matter surface goliath at least catches up with the mudic speed

[grim swallow]

Whats vernal pass

[smoky dock]

lol

[fading dove]

the place with vernal soil

this place

[grim swallow]

Yeah exactly why I use it

[smoky dock]

I hate that place

[grim swallow]

Why

[smoky dock]

It’s so big, has natural background walls, and it’s not even squarical

[grim swallow]

It works as a plantarena

[smoky dock]

Have you seen my arena

[tepid ruin]

Okay, can we fucking not with the ceaseless void cam

[weary notch]

i just city buster an area

disable it in configs

[smoky dock]

City busters don’t break background walls and that pisses me off SO much

[tepid ruin]

Yeah, I did now, it just took me off-guard

[crude oak]

Its more fun

[night fractal]

L take, funny middle island you can't kill without spawning plantera

[tepid ruin]

Didn't know this was a thing, do NOT like it

[smoky dock]

Plus they’re bigger than the effect area of a campfire/bast statue/banner etc

So I either need to use multiple or have missing spots…

[weary notch]

counter L, mine out everything except the bulbs and place platforms on teh same level

[fading dove]

the bulbs have to be on vernal soil

which is a solid block

[smoky dock]

Plus they’re bigger than the check radius for biomes so just lining the walls with Lihzahrd bricks isn’t capable of producing a 100% jungle arena

[night fractal]

that strategy is putting the L in lame tbh

embrace the island in the middle

[grim swallow]

Embrace the goofy looking arena

[smoky dock]

tbh I like the island

[weary notch]

well it is a good spot to hook

[smoky dock]

It’s just too big of an arena

[grim swallow]

Half the time I dont even dit out some of the rope shits

[smoky dock]

I don’t want to use more than one campfire

[weary notch]

embrace luiafk arena platform builder

[smoky dock]

NO

I will beat the luiAFK platforms with hammers

[night fractal]

use 0 campfires

[fading dove]

the only place that a campfire misses is like

2 blocks at the top

[weary notch]

real

[smoky dock]

you dont get it man

it boosts natiral life regen

i gotta have it

[fading dove]

and really you shouldnt be grinding your head into the ceiling

[grim swallow]

Just use the mod for the npc that sells ultima cake

[smoky dock]

No

[grim swallow]

Thats it

[weary notch]

ultima cake goated

[grim swallow]

Exactly

[fading dove]

sloptima cake

[grim swallow]

No

[smoky dock]

My arena is mathematically perfect. Largest possible space that uses no more than one of each arena buff and covers the entire area in a biome.

It can’t get better, it’s just perfect.

[weary notch]

https://tenor.com/view/votv-kel-keljoy-keljoyplush-plush-gif-14758875349718760905

[smoky dock]

It needs decoration though

I will die on the hill that Ultima Cake fucking sucks and I hate it

[grim swallow]

Agree unless its hellbridge

[weary notch]

fr

[grim swallow]

WoF arena only one when I use fargos

[weary notch]

just take a double obsidian intabridge gng 💔

[grim swallow]

Exactly

[weary notch]

and break my murasama chest 🥀

[smoky dock]

Absolutely not\

[grim swallow]

Isnt it from fargos

[fading dove]

i usually hand carve out my wof arena so that the eyes don't get fucked up

[weary notch]

yes

[smoky dock]

WoF with an arena is so... sterile

[fading dove]

double obsidian instabridge is mutant mod yeah

[tepid ruin]

Goddamnit, the portal is bugged again

[smoky dock]

I'm not just braindead hating on qol this time btw

[grim swallow]

And double instabridge is smart btw

[smoky dock]

I genuinely think WoF is significantly less enjoyable with a double instabridge

[grim swallow]

It stops at profaned garden

[fading dove]

it may be sterile but its required for high end difficulty like maso and 10x hp masodeath with an arena 2/3 the size it should be

[smoky dock]

Oh of course that, yeah

But just stock inf WoF?

[fading dove]

can't inf wof be killed without leaving the garden

[tepid ruin]

And this time alt-tab doesn't work

[smoky dock]

Yes, most likely

[grim swallow]

I do that because ik what it was doing before

[fading dove]

or the crag

[smoky dock]

Crags works too

[grim swallow]

The tentacles were so terrifying

[weary notch]

atp there needs to be more speedkill documentation

[fading dove]

i wish inf wof had a visual cue for when tentacles start spawning

[weary notch]

theres plenty of no hits but no speedkills aside from what deranged is doing

from what i see

[tepid ruin]

aaaand now my game softlocked

[smoky dock]

I disagree
If speedkilling starts to become a genuine and recognized hobby then very quickly, the leaderboards will be filled with one frame times

[weary notch]

tfym softlocked

[smoky dock]

wtf

[tepid ruin]

I opened my inventory while solyn did her portal thing

[fading dove]

Eternity Desert Scourge 2: Get Slaughtered Harder

[tepid ruin]

And now I'm frozen in place, can't close it, and nothing happens

[weary notch]

just force close the game

sure you lsoe progress

[tepid ruin]

I can actually just quit normally

[weary notch]

but it works

wuss

[strong cypress]

i do not mean this negatively. the autism in this message is palpable

[crude oak]

whats the infernum scal drop called

i mean

[smoky dock]

I totally agree

[crude oak]

cal clone

[fading dove]

uhhh

[crude oak]

the one that gives you the barrier

[smoky dock]

ashes of clamity'

[fading dove]

brimstone crecent staff

[crude oak]

alr

thanks

[smoky dock]

my entire world is like this btw

[grim swallow]

The staff of eating bullets

[smoky dock]

I was this close to making a suggestion in #suggestions-posting demanding that Yharon's arena borders be extended or shrunk by 0.5 blocks

[tepid ruin]

hehe, funny portal

[grim swallow]

Wait does the staff of tanking shit and the accessory of tanking shit stack

(crscent moon and seasmth locket)

[smoky dock]

probably

[crude oak]

i Will be making a tank build post scal

❤️

[grim swallow]

I will not even be thinking about a tank build

Maybe when im true melee

Until then never

[fading dove]

they do iirc

i wouldnt recommend stacking though, its plenty easy to regen from full from any given hit with just one of them enabled

[grim swallow]

Im not planning

Im just wondering

[fading dove]

understandable

[grim swallow]

Because of me always forgetting I literally did scal desp with that thing that multiplies damage dealt and taken by 1.2

[smoky dock]

true melee tank builds don't exist

they're either good builds or bad builds

[tepid ruin]

devil's sunrise sure is one of the weapons of all time

[smoky dock]

you can choose to either have stupid nuclear damage output and high survivability, or stupid nuclear damage output and low survivability

[tepid ruin]

Like 4 times the dps of every other weapon on the tier, lmao

[smoky dock]

does it beat red devil.......

[fading dove]

does purity even work with tmelee

[smoky dock]

on paper, yes

in practice, no

[crude oak]

ggs

[fading dove]

gg

[crude oak]

Yay

[grim swallow]

Gg

[crude oak]

took 2 hits whole fight

thats pretty good

[tepid ruin]

Hey, the tier in question is pre-DoG

[smoky dock]

purity with tmelee probably works best immediately post-provi with holy collider

[grim swallow]

Also im happy to be playing as mage

Because effervescence

Best weapon

I love melting bosses

[crude oak]

dreamtastic is the goat ngl

[smoky dock]

post-polterghast you get Omega Blue armor which has a very high base crit chance and a set bonus which buffs crits further and forces the tentacles to auto-crit so Purity to disable them kinda sux

plus melee + attack speed don't exactly get alone well together

[grim swallow]

What does purity even do

[smoky dock]

post-DoG, the best melee options all ignore attack speed bonuses so Purity loses big time

[grim swallow]

Never used it

[fading dove]

1.4x use speed, damage increases are multiplied by 1.4x, no crits

[smoky dock]

1.4x damage. +40% attack speed. Disables critical hits.

[fading dove]

summoner does not get any of this

[smoky dock]

Does not apply to stealth strikes or summon damage

[crude oak]

so can you still crit stealth strikes

or na

[smoky dock]

Yeah, but you also don't get the 1.4x damage or speed

[fading dove]

oh stealth strikes are silently unaffected?

[smoky dock]

Pretty sure, yeah

[grim swallow]

Ohh purity is the thing from night provi

[crude oak]

Yay

[smoky dock]

Yeah

[fading dove]

it says it doesnt get the attack speed

but nothing about the damage

[smoky dock]

Oh does it just not get the attack speed

[smoky dock]

I thought it got disabled because there was some fucked up shit with purity

Ah that makes sense, yeah

I knew rogue and purity didn't play nice because it caused some crazy interaction

Besides, if the speed bonus worked the way it was supposed to, it'd actually lower damage

[night fractal]

disabling attack speed makes sense yeah

due to infinite stealth and also

attack speed reduces stealth damage

[crude oak]

Scarlet devil time

❤️

[tepid ruin]

If I can get into devil's sunrise range against the dog, it will be very funny

[crude oak]

demonshade or auric tesla for rogue

cos of stealth

ive got 10 stealth

[tepid ruin]

Still was pretty funny getting flashbanged by literally just a RoR2 item

[smoky dock]

stealth rogue demands auric tesla

[crude oak]

scarlet devil is stealth isnt it

or its better for stealth

[gaunt crystal]

does wotg move roh post avatar or something?

[smoky dock]

every class uses demonshade except stealth rogue specifically because demonshade doesn't have stealth

[smoky dock]

i dunno lol

[crude oak]

what is roh

[gaunt crystal]

rod of harmony

[crude oak]

oh nah i dont think so

[smoky dock]

postgame is a blur. It doesn't really matter much. Demonshade armor is so apeshit broken busted fucked that you can use anything and it works. Demonshade armor can literally beat the boss by itself

[gaunt crystal]

aaaaahhh

why cant I get it?????

[versed island]

cant get Solyn to put up her tent? Any help?

[gaunt crystal]

crash?

[tepid ruin]

okay wow, signus is a lot harder than the other two

[gaunt crystal]

or other problem

[smoky dock]

what've you beaten so far?

it should be post-exos/scal

[gaunt crystal]

goozma scal and exos

[fading dove]

or post mutant if you've got souls

[gaunt crystal]

and everything before except old duke

[gaunt crystal]

ohh THAT could be it

maybeee

thanks!!

[versed island]

already talked to her. After saying she need space. Supposed to spawn next day but she doesnt progress at all

[gaunt crystal]

should I deactivate death when I do it?

[craggy slate]

Talk to her again

[fading dove]

you should be on eternity death

[gaunt crystal]

sometimes the flag says its ok when it isnt

[craggy slate]

She'll give you a flagpole

[gaunt crystal]

place it next to her, in a really open space 100% flat

[craggy slate]

Unless you did that already nvm

[gaunt crystal]

remove walls

and place dirt

[craggy slate]

Don't need dirt actually

Any block works

[gaunt crystal]

thats what I did

[versed island]

She's just stuck at ...

[gaunt crystal]

dont know what part of it did it

ice might be it

and remove the walls

or do you not have the flagpole yet??

[craggy slate]

Well she might be broken because you talked to her post moonlord

[crude oak]

Yay

[gaunt crystal]

no did that too

[craggy slate]

Ah okay

[gaunt crystal]

she just progresses from earliest to latest dialogue

with the "I need space" being either tied to a boss kill or 1 day iirc

[versed island]

its the Wrath of the God mod turning all the water in ice I believe

all the oceans are just frozen

[fading dove]

well without a sun in the sky, the planet's gonna get real cold real fast

[gaunt crystal]

replace it

with blocks

[versed island]

Need a way to force progress Solyn's quest

[versed island]

bruh. Aint got time for trolls

[craggy slate]

WotG has debug items
Use those if necessary

[gaunt crystal]

??? wym

just replace the ice

[craggy slate]

Probably wrong reply

[gaunt crystal]

oh ic

yeah ic lol

mb XP

[crude oak]

sponge darksun ring affliction or radiance

for endgame

[craggy slate]

Sponge is insane

[crude oak]

hero mod

[smoky dock]

What I'd do in that situation is replace all the ice with some other block, actuate the blocks, pour some extra water in to refill the frozen water, and then echo coat the actuated blocks

[craggy slate]

Try to use both Sponge and radiance

[crude oak]

too attacking to do ts

[smoky dock]

Can't make ice where there's already a block

[craggy slate]

Pretty sure I've had ice eat my waterlogged blocks so get rid of the water!

[smoky dock]

Well that's news to me

I never played WotG so I only have assumptions on how the ice works to go off of

[crude oak]

new abyss 3 theme is good

[smoky dock]

oh fuck thanks for reminding me

i gotta listen

[versed island]

stuck here after using quest skipper

[dusty cobalt]

is corinth prime the DoG destroyer for ranger

[elder nebula]

dodu's handcannon WAS

[smoky dock]

i dunno. i heard corinth prime's altfire can be used as a good nuker if you build it for spreading elec status

[elder nebula]

fetid emesis is still goated tho

[dusty cobalt]

i liked dodus

did it get nerfed

[elder nebula]

died

it's dead

[dusty cobalt]

sad

fetid emesis with what bullets then

[wispy scaffold]

Something I've realized about Wrath of the Machines is that it makes exo mechs significantly harder than scal. I'm honestly not sure if I should keep it.

[smoky dock]

Why's that a bad thing?

actually you never said it's a bad thing.

what's the hesitation with keeping it?

[wispy scaffold]

I might not be able to defeat them, and also the bossfight is very very different from the rest of the bosses

Well, I managed to make some progress, at least

I got to the point where all three are attacking simultaneously

I think the main problem here is that there's so many separate attacks that I have to each individually learn

I'm fighting Thanatos first, which is easy

Then twins and ares appear, and that, I've made some progress in learning but am still taking a lot of damage on

But then all three together use attacks that none of the three used before and now I have to learn a completely different moveset

These are my accessories. All of them are warding. My armor is the post astrageldon version of auric tesla and my weapons are the cinders of lament and vigilence.

[versed island]

What I gotta do at this point? Debug item no longer works

[wispy scaffold]

Which I completely forgot to enchant

I don't think cinders of lament can be enchanted, but vigilence can

[tepid ruin]

okay, how do you actually avoid cignus's shadow slash attack?

I don't see how to predict where it comes from so it always instantly gets me

[wispy scaffold]

I'm thinking of having my vigilence be resentful. If only I could also make the cinders of lament resentful.

I think I'll do an scal fight for practice

[crude oak]

dash the opposite way youre moving at the very very last second

[tepid ruin]

Oh, does it always spawn directly in my way?

[crude oak]

yeah

[smoky dock]

Never use Resentful

[crude oak]

but if you dash like a frame too early youll get murked

[tepid ruin]

Well, now if only I could predict when that attack actually starts, but I guess it's a reaction check

[smoky dock]

The scaling is so obscenely aggressive that you'll never realistically be consistently at maximum damage

[crude oak]

you gotta learn the timing

its not too bad

[tepid ruin]

Funny how the other two dog guardians are infinitely easier than this

[crude oak]

cv is way harder than signus

[tepid ruin]

...I beat CV second try

And only because I got confused by the camera change

[crude oak]

same but thats one more try than signus takes

[tepid ruin]

Cignus is kicking my ass

I'm on like 7th or 8th attempt already

[smoky dock]

Since it scales linearly, you only break even at 1,325 which is just under 82 blocks

[crude oak]

lowkey the only difficult bosses are prof guardians provi polter dog scal exos

[tepid ruin]

Can't forget geldon

Moon lord was a decent enough challenge

[crude oak]

after the first run geldon free

ml harder

[smoky dock]

Any closer than 82 blocks and you lose damage

[crude oak]

actually yeah and moonlord

[weary notch]

i alr put in my share of deaths towards infernum so all the bosses are lowkey a joke now

msater death catching me offgaurd since i expect the bosses to me comprehensible the same way infernum is (it isnt by far)

pretty much shows the major difference between lucille designing bosses and fabsol designing them

one is co-ordinated and actually fun

the other is pure malice

a vile form of a battle, spitting on the word "boss fight"

its just bullshit

[smoky dock]

skeletron prime should get his big brothers to pick on the bullies

[queen isle]

fabsol couldn't design good boss fights but he could occasionally make one that was so bad it was good

so like twins or skeletron

[weary notch]

fr

twins was decent

providence was a hell since they oh so made it that the projectiles she shoots, perfectly match the background hallow

so you want me to see an invisible projectile

bai ts pmo

[queen isle]

providence, scal, and yharon are like the only good calamity boss fights

[gaunt crystal]

the seeds

[weary notch]

💔

[gaunt crystal]

plant them

[tepid ruin]

Vanilla EoL is kinda neat, at least

[queen isle]

and i think scal was halfway made by someone else but idr who

[weary notch]

yharon is decent, scal is fair

the bullet hells are decent

idk about the rest of it

only did 1 calamit playthru and jumped directly into infernum

[tepid ruin]

To be fair, when didn't fabsol have malice towards the players

[weary notch]

malice was built in

force enabled

mind of malice was deleted and he lacked the storage to make a new character

[long lantern]

Okay. So i got confirmed what i just wen through was a change from the Fargo Souls DLC, but can i say the twist added by this mod to the Cryogen fight surprised me A LOT ? XD

[weary notch]

welcome to a boss fight not designed by fabsol

[long lantern]

XD

[gaunt crystal]

ok it was fargos souls blocking the roh

just saying in case anyone else ever has the same problem

[crude oak]

best weapon scarlet devil??

besides kevin

[crude oak]

oh yeah i forgot about that

[weary notch]

any weapon you decide to make as a mod pack that adds a single weapon that serves as a "fuck this boss im skipping it"

[crude oak]

Yeah but like

base cal

[weary notch]

scarlet

kevin is infernum technically so no base cal

[crude oak]

whats the top 3

[weary notch]

idk