tech-coding-math

[brave field]

Zen+ dropped but hardly any CPUs outside of Zen+ since 2011 have dropped in price significantly after a new generation released, it feels

[latent drum]

since people forget the joke that is 11th gen is out

i would like to remind you that 11th gen is out

and 10th gen price didnt drop

[cold elbow]

[brave field]

OfficeDepot gets rid of their old stock by increasing the price by 20 cents per month. Same with Amazon, Newegg, and pretty much anywhere that sells in new condition. Used listings/ebay/hardwareswap/facebook/craigslist drop in price, though.

[latent drum]

oh yes

the high performer 4400

beats the latest AMD threadripper

[arctic yarrow]

Is this according to UserBenchmark?

[latent drum]

you making fun of 4th gen?

[arctic yarrow]

Not at all, it was good... for 2013.

[latent drum]

for 3013*

too ahead of its time

[jovial tide]

well new generation's not released yet

[brave field]

things could change

[arctic yarrow]

I personally hope Intel becomes more competitive in price/performance, but at the same time, I know scalpers are just gonna buy up the entire fucking stock and force prices to stay the same/go higher.

[jovial tide]

hmm tech question

is there any way I can connect both my case argb controller (switched with the case rgb switch button) to my motherboard and use both?

[latent drum]

can you clearfiy?

[jovial tide]

So my care Matrexx 50 f4 has 4 fans argb with 1 argb controller that connects to a button on top you can click to select different colors

[latent drum]

you can connect the fans to the controller then to the mobo?

[jovial tide]

Like this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEFdBdEnlA
I disconnected the argb cable to the controller board, and connected it to motherboard instead; now I wanna know is it possible to both connect it to that argb controller and the argb port on the motherboard

[latent drum]

glass front

[jovial tide]

well I don't think that will work, the argb controller gives its own 5v power

I think connecting that argb case controller might mess things up

[latent drum]

i dont htink you can do both

[jovial tide]

fair enough, I take your word for it

so it's either the button and that circuit or the motherboard

[latent drum]

because like , i dont think the button can control the mobo

[jovial tide]

yeah you're right. there's no input for that

[latent drum]

wireless VRMs

with intel you get less wireless VRMs

more reasons to buy AMD

be smart and buy AMD

Be clever and buy intel

i like how the AMD one have this while the intel one doesnt

and the Intel one is rated for higher memory speed

here is something useful Intel doesnt have

iam aware there are stuff are better than AMD storemi

easy-ability though

[cold elbow]

I think amd already killed storeMI

Or maybe brought it back to life

[latent drum]

nope , still on X570s

[cold elbow]

Intel used optain and it now kinda useless

Considering nvme is cheap.

[latent drum]

with storemi you can cache any HDD with any SSD

i mean yea
but like 8-6TB HDDs are cheap too

caching them with 120-240gbs SSDs can be good

[cold elbow]

No like ... Optain used to accelerate other drives

So if u want speed u need to buy hard drive then optain

To get speed to the capacity that the optain has

Or u can just buy an nvme ssd lol

[latent drum]

you need to buy intel 250gb pcie 3 SSD

not any ssd

i think

[latent drum]

that costs 110$

[cold elbow]

So yeah u have 8tb hdd to accelerate but that ssd only have 256tb of fast storage

After that you are back to hdd speeds

StoreMI came with something interesting which when u use an SSD it will be used as an extra storage not just cache

[latent drum]

it was also kinda smart

it will store certain files that re pain to load on HDD on SSD

[cold elbow]

Idk it was not well received

I should probably try it

I have 240gb ssd somewhere

Oh new one says "SSD partition can be used as cache "

[brave field]

everyone forgot the first, $20 Enmotus Fuzedrive Software, more a result of AMD and Enmotus partnering than an AMD technology

[cold elbow]

AMD StoreMI technology has been rebuilt from the ground up with a new algorithm that makes it safe and simple to use. Now, a StoreMI configuration simply mirrors your most-used files to an SSD of your choosing, leaving the original copy intact.

[brave field]

understandably, I guess. It was at the bottom of the first Zen1 reveal article, was never advertised, and then AMD moved to StoreMI after

[cold elbow]

It's not supported by first gen

2 and up

As they said they rebuilt it

It was moving files in the past but now mirroring

Much safer

Might try it tomorrow

[latent drum]

iam surprised it took them 4 years to do what 3rd party apps been doing for years

looks like intel had way before AMD

or even intel core lineup

Intel Smart Response Technology

[arctic yarrow]

so if you're buying a high capacity HDD but want to access storage from it fast, use optane.

[latent drum]

optane costs alot of mone

Intel Smart Responseoh god

this looks very nostalgic

[cold elbow]

Currently i have 1tb ssd and 2tb hdd
I also have 240 ssd that i don't use
StoreMI might do good in my case to accelerate that hdd

[cold elbow]

Maybe you don't know this but and employees are not remotely close to intel
They are small teams

[arctic yarrow]

yeah, so you use optane if you have fuck you money and need to access data from a hard drive faster.

[latent drum]

i think

romex primocache works the best

[pliant lynx]

installing inwdow 11

pog

[brave field]

Winblow 11 cringe

UI overhaul is appreciated, 10 was a huge downgrade from 8 in that regard. But UX in 11 is pain

[pliant lynx]

welp imma see it for myself

[jovial tide]

Cookie's using unusual language today

Sauce, winblow

are you sure you're not hacked cookie?

[brave field]

its certainly possible

Hiding the only useful context menu options behind another mouse movement/click is nasty

[jovial tide]

It'll take a lot of time getting used to it; then imaging helping people running windows 10 while running 11

The other day I was searching around for 10 minutes just to find the disable the sticky keys feature (shift shift shift shift shift)

[brave field]

things like properties/paste shortcut should absolutely be at the top instead of this... when right clicking empty space in explorer's "This PC" menu

[jovial tide]

It'll get better, if it is to stay people's feedback on insider will eventually help microsoft build better as it did with windows 10

[brave field]

sorting and things that only slightly affect muscle memory is what the top ribbon bar should be for

yeah

hopefully sooner than later though

[jovial tide]

it also has a funny audio glitch

try changing the audio volume 2-3 times with your mouse you'll hear a noise almost every time

[brave field]

Thought Virtualbox was having the early 6.x problems again

but nope, just the W11 VM was

[jovial tide]

they should have tested it better before release

like the nvidia control panel on desktop right click or radeon software is a must - that noise is disappointing, right click menus are useless - some options are hidden inside on/off button options with no apparent relation to the option (like that sticky keys option I mentioned)

[brave field]

The first depends on AMD/Nvidia, but the others suck

With Windows 11 being almost identical to 10 outside of the UI, its kinda baffling how little quality of life changes there are for using the UI

looks nice but does not feel good at all. I would think making control panel have viable alternatives would be a top priority. You can't even give consistent sound/internet troubleshooting steps to two people using the same Windows 10 version, why is 11 not better about that?

[jovial tide]

well there's performance difference like the whole point was to modernize HDR, and how OS interacts with CPU/GPU

Also forcing people to use virtualization security features, secure boot tpm is a nice extra

[pliant lynx]

im in w11 now pog

[arctic yarrow]

Anyone have any idea why facebook on google chrome softlocks my laptop? Nothing else does it, just facebook.

[brave field]

should not have to cheat for these two menus to not move each update

@jovial tide Did they finally document what TPM is doing in W11? Bitlocker could use it before already, but all the articles I've found have the same "yeah it can uhh... do security. I promise I did not copy this line from the wikipedia on tpm"

[pliant lynx]

hmmm w11 feels weird now

[jovial tide]

I have to check, but last time I checked it said attestation and bitlocker something like that

also speaking of TPM, do you think buying a tpm module would be better than using CPUs TPM?

[brave field]

I don't think it makes much of a difference

though, we still don't really know what all is being used. Using some extra module is also another point of failure, which isn't fun.

[jovial tide]

I found this https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/microsoft-shows-why-windows-11-needs-tpm-e2-80-93-even-if-some-pcs-are-left-out-in-the-cold/ar-AAPnWlb?ocid=uxbndlbing

[kindred temple]

Doesnt make sense to buy enterprise class electronics.

Either way youre still going to lose performance on w11 from lack of optimization, not from having to use ftpm.

[jovial tide]

So the problem is as far as I can understand if you lose the key to your CPU tpm you can brick your whole pc

The motherboard even warns when you switch to firmware tpm

[kindred temple]

No, thats if you forget the bitlocker password and you use the windows bitlocker in the first place

Its having it enabled, not used to its fullest extent.

[brave field]

a remote attack leveraging an open RDP (remote desktop protocol) port, brute forcing the password, and then infecting the machine with ransomware
What does TPM verifying that the wrong passwords are indeed wrong do about brute forcing or dictionary attacks? Does it implement a timer/cooldown after wrong attempts? Would that not hurt the user as well?

I don't understand this

[jovial tide]

well it might be there to prevent local attacks

I can explain this but it's a bit of grey area

so technically there are 2 types of attacks to a machine, remote and local; remote uses known vulnerabilities to gain some level of access towards the machine while local (sometimes on top of remote) uses codes in order to become the user or become the machine to gain full access.

ransomwares for example fit into this category

[brave field]

TPM's involvement?

[jovial tide]

well it probably blocks that privilege escalation to some extent

makes it much more costly and harder or maybe even impossible for a program or malicious user to suddenly access kernel

honestly, more info will probably come out of hak conferences than news websites.

[arctic yarrow]

RIP Valorant anti-cheat.

[arctic yarrow]

Is it under load>?

Is it air cooled? if so, that would be a normal temp

[arctic yarrow]

Ok, that's not normal. I would check the seating of your heatsink to your CPU/check your fan.

I can't believe you didn't turn off the PC before checking the heatsink. You either have balls of steel or fuck you money.

Try testing your CPU with prime95 for a few min. Stop if the CPU reaches past 85C

yeah. I don't think there will be a temp issue with the GPU.

GPUs generally throttle when overheating.

Likely

Just download prime95

https://www.mersenne.org/download/

Let me guess, windows defender doesn't like it.

keep it default and run

NVM, use small ffts

What CPU and cooler are you using?

You need another cooler. That thing won't do at all.

That case should have clearance for a beefier cpu cooler.

Than what you currently have.

Newegg or Amazon would be a good start.

Check the dimensions of the cooler, and measure it against the case and your cpu

Actually, where do you live geographically?

Ok, then newegg or amazon

I've personally used this CPU cooler for a SFF PC build 7 years ago:
https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nh-l9x65/p/N82E16835608071

Is there an output area next to the CPU?

this?

Yeah, it should still work. The inside of the case will jump by a few degrees C, but shouldn't be too much of an issue.

This is the case I've used on that build with that cpu cooler:
https://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/product-rv.php?pid=487&area=en

It seems to be a little bit slimmer than your optiplex 5050

Just making doubly sure, yours is the middle of the three right?

Hmm, try prime95 again.

Did it instantly crash or crash after overheating?

MB on the blend one, do the small FFTs

Dell tends to go shit tier with their RAM, so blend will cause a crash.

Small

Yeah, it tends to go really unresponsive when your cpu is utilized fully.

That's normal.

I'd keep it going for another 10 minutes or so if it's not too inconvenient, then check temps

but 66C is good.

Maybe, but the goal of malware is to take info most of the time.

Stress testing a CPU accomplishes nothing.

Possibly, but it would be more hassle than it's worth.

Not really. When the CPU is fully utilized, processes have to queue up.

That's what causes the lack of responsiveness.

Which game?

Gotcha. GTA tends to use the CPU quite a bit.

Your cpu cooler was loose, so that caused the temps to shoot higher.

Try running it now and see if the temps are good.

Yeah, those temps are still rather high.

Try out the game, maybe it was loose before.

If that doesn't work, try repasting.

Sweet, keep going, maybe fly a plane around or something

The CPU tends to heat up when in the air.

xD

I think that's for high settings 1080p at 60 fps.

Of course that happens

I'm gonna hop on for a bit, can you DM me your SC?

Haven't launched GTA in a fat minute

What's it at now?

👍

sent you a FRQ btw

It can do that.

That is a little hot for my taste, but still ok. If you want, you could remove the cpu heatsink and reapply thermal paste, see if that lowers temps.

GTA hates me today 😛

Won't let me load

yup, PC shuts down to prevent damage.

yours crashed at 80C?

That's not normal

Maybe the fan curve can only be controlled in the BIOS.

Then again, dell isn't known for having very good bioses.

Is full speed always too noisy?

Typical dell. Auto fan curve sucks, but your only other option is jet engine simulator.

[civic cloud]

lol

[lost fossil]

epic

[civic cloud]

:3

[pliant lynx]

window 11 looks plain af after usage

[wary jasper]

SuS

sussy baka in my bed

[eager tapir]

airflow or rpm for case fans?

[slender trellis]

I upgraded to 11 just for DirectStorage and Native Android App support on Windows Store

I can still upgrade all my PCs even unsupported ones to that OS by bypassing the requirements using a third party app.

[spice lion]

i cant even download windows 11 because it isnt compatible with my pc

[latent drum]

Average CPU released after 2020

[slender trellis]

Try this:
https://gist.github.com/AveYo/c74dc774a8fb81a332b5d65613187b15#file-skip_tpm_check_on_dynamic_update_v2-cmd

While fiddling with source files doesn't work, I tried this and this installed W11 successfully on my old MSI Laptop from 2017.

[latent drum]

Lga 1151 coolers work on intel lga 1200?

[slender trellis]

https://youtu.be/Z0nYgME8knY
There is someone trying to run W11 even on an old Pentium 4 PCs.

[jovial tide]

Ive heard it works well

[slender trellis]

I bet many employees are going to use that tool to upgrade many cash registers, hospital, and school computers to Windows 11 for stability.

[cold elbow]

Idk why u think it would not run

Question is...
Why u want it over 10

[slender trellis]

Native Android App support without downloading Bluestacks and proper DirectStorage support.

[cold elbow]

It needs ram

[latent drum]

Does LGA 1151 coolers work with LGA 1200 without modifications?

[jovial tide]

Get the UX100 already and call it a day

UX100 + good case = cooling xD

[cold elbow]

Or

U get this beast

So underrated yet great

[jovial tide]

Now that you insist UX200

[cold elbow]

Looks like shit lol

[jovial tide]

hehehehe

[cold elbow]

I don't like whatever thermaltake makes

They always are bad quality

And made for looks

[jovial tide]

Well works for me

[cold elbow]

Arctic focus on performance

[jovial tide]

10400F UX100 and that case I showed you 30 degrees

There's a Canada factor to it but still

[cold elbow]

Do u even know the capability of this

There's a cheaper version with one fan tho

[jovial tide]

How much?

[latent drum]

Does it?

[jovial tide]

50 cad not bad

[latent drum]

I can get cheap LGA 1151 of black markets easily

Thermal take is probably the worst company that make cooling solutions

[cold elbow]

Not the worst

But their priority is whatever on trend like rgb or glass panels

[jovial tide]

Well it's better than stock cooler for sure

[civic cloud]

NH D15 Chromax Version tho <3

[jovial tide]

Thinking thinking

145$ noctua d15 chromax

100-120$ H100 pro

about 20$ thermaltake ux100
takes the extra 125$ buys better rams

[cold elbow]

Why buy a d15 when liquid freezer ii exist 🥺

[civic cloud]

Costs 95 here

[civic cloud]

cuz it do be looking chonky uwu

[jovial tide]

145 Canadian for me

[civic cloud]

Shipping stuff from Austria to Germany isn't that expensive

[cold elbow]

But liquid freezer is thiccccc

Probably the thickest aio

[civic cloud]

No u 😳

[cold elbow]

Tru

[civic cloud]

😏

[cold elbow]

[civic cloud]

I should prolly try to sell mine

Or do i keep it Incase my loop dies

Questions over questions

[cold elbow]

U should buy chocolate and eat it

Then buy this

[civic cloud]

Tech Jesus? Don't think he's for sale

[civic cloud]

🤨

[jovial tide]

wtf is that!

i assume thats a case side cover

[cold elbow]

no that's a fan

a corsair fan

[verbal karma]

onedrive says that theres a steam sync issue

hwo do i fix thta

[junior flax]

No clue how to work it

[slender trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/gamers-nexus-nvidia-3080ti-gpu-money-printer-gif-21792843

[latent drum]

Iam a mad lad

I did it

I will go home and see how this shit ass perform

[slim bluff]

Just discovered LaTeX and its so good for wiring up reactions for my chemistry class

$HNO_3 + CaCO_3 \rightarrow Ca(NO_3)_2 + CO_2$

[civic cloud]

Hot

[fervent granite]

Word equation editor better

[fervent granite]

Nothing says you can’t learn

[slim bluff]

linux shouldn't be too different from windows if you go for distributions such as Ubuntu, Manjaro (I don't recommend this one) or Pop OS

[fervent granite]

manjaro isn't that hard

[slim bluff]

no

but its its two weeks behind the the AUR and the can often lead to it crashing and refusing to start up after an update

[fervent granite]

can often lead to it crashing and refusing to start up after an update
every linux distro ever

[slim bluff]

not really

most are fairly stable

[fervent granite]

really varies

[slim bluff]

debian is literally the most stable thing known to man

arch isnt as stable but it's not bad

[fervent granite]

nah when I used ubuntu (around 14.04) I got thrown into gurb rescue all the time, most of the time I didn't even know what I did wrong

[slim bluff]

I have seen rocks less stable than debian

[slim bluff]

that isnt about update stability tho... if you install windows like shit it can fuck up too

although fuck ubuntu there are so many better options if you have to time to learn about linux

[fervent granite]

tbh yeah but back then I used to think ubuntu was "the linux"

[slim bluff]

we've all been there

then I was pissed when I heard linux was light weight and ubuntu ran like shit on my old laptop

[fervent granite]

it actually ran fine on mine, I fucked up windows 7 on it but I needed some os on it

if I had the patience I would have used arch + cinnamon de

[slim bluff]

mine is a Pentium dual core at 1GHz, thats why it ran like shit

[fervent granite]

Mine was an amd turion 2

[slim bluff]

I loose track of time setting up linux installations

void linux + dwm runs nicely on that old fart of a laptop

[jovial tide]

linux runs on any potato pc

[brave field]

except

qubes

[cold elbow]

I wish one day Linux community agrees on one distro for average users and focus on improving the experience

Every Linux user will give u a distro and there is no perfect one to use

[cold elbow]

Spray it with water

Or tell us exactly what you have and we might be able to help

Both

So it's a laptop

Good to know

What

Wtf

Oh shit

Did you check that it is not dirty

[fervent granite]

what grpahics are you playing gta at?

just play on normal settings?

[cold elbow]

Do u have a graphics card and which one is it

Ok so ...

It probably throwing more heat load

Do u have intake or exhaust fan there

Now if u open the side panel of the case

Does that improve temps and what temps you getting anyway

U should test on a stable load

Like being on single player on a constant view

Idle doesn't mean shit

It needs to be under load

[cold elbow]

This.

Let it heat up until it gets stable then open the panel

Does it look like this

Btw 80C is ok

It's for OEM devices

Yeah u see the limit is 100C

Also does it high that temperature quickly?

For example its at idle

Then u open Google Chrome

What happens to temp

No

First do the door experiment

And that didn't make any difference?

Normal

Panel open?

Ok just let it stabilize

It's ok

Stay on a stable scene

Fan getting louder?

When u hit 100

Can u see your cpu usage?

Alright whats the temp now

You are alt tabbing?

We can not not get a good reading by that

The moment u alt tab usage goes down along with temp and gpu usage

Anyway open the panel now and see if it makes a difference

What u need is a proper monitoring by using a tool like msi afterburner

It shows u stats while playing

Then go to its settings and enable monitoring

For stuff u want to monitor like cpu temp and gpu temp

Is it lower

Im talking about cpu

U said it gets to 85

Or 80

Best way to do this is by proper tools

Cpu z

It's a tool that has Stress feature

It fully loads the cpu with constant load

It does

Cpuz is like very small

Does it tell u why

A cpu would start throttling if it gets very hot

At the end it shuts down the entire computer

Yeah

It's working hard

As i said test the cpu with prime or cpuz

When u start it if the CPU hits a very high temperature in a few seconds then u might have a bad thermal paste

Bench

Then click stress while watching the temps

Yes

Normal

[hot pollen]

uh oh

laptop or desktop?

concerning

what cooler?

[cold elbow]

And cpu fan still quiet?

There might be an option to make that fan more aggressive in the BIOS

temp now?

[hot pollen]

oh my

[cold elbow]

That's pretty normal

[hot pollen]

u need to get a better cooler lol but seems like ur fine for now

[cold elbow]

Your paste is fine

What kind of crash u face?

[hot pollen]

if u ever upgrade a new cooler will be needed

[cold elbow]

That's probably a gpu issue

Cpu is perfectly fine

How long it takes till it crash

U said prime crash u as well right

Blender uses cpu or gpu?

Are you sure

Anyway the way i see it its not a temperature issue

Hows the temps

Should start to throttle now

What fan options u have

U said it makes it a jet engine

What options u have there

How do u make it a jet engine

Can u make it lower

Still trying to figure out what fan options u have

It cant be only dead quiet or a jet engine

Does it crash with jet engine

I guess u need to find a way to control that fan better

It might be even vrms that are overheating along with the cpu

It should increase speed automatically
Bios reset might get u somewhere

[latent drum]

For some reason
My 3200mhz ram cant pass 3066

[cold elbow]

I wonder why

[latent drum]

Figured it out

Asrock timing bla bla bla

[jovial tide]

hmm subtimings are obliterated by your motherboard

[latent drum]

Managed to get it work
Need more time to see if its stable

An RX580 wasnt probably the best gpu to pair with it

But who have the time to rob a bank for that

sigh

People fight over which one is better between the 3
They are all utter garbage

[jovial tide]

i just realized we are able to smart-bruteforce the diffi-hellman key-exchange using the digital signature.
so i pull up a neural network and start training it with some sideline calculations, seems like we're able to estimate the maximum tries required using the following:

 et = (r^len(s/r*sqr(n)))*tri(r)

[jagged lark]

@jovial tide looks like I don't need a budget pc anymore

My mum promised to buy me a pc for whatever price it costs if i have good grades this year

[pliant lynx]

inb4 shoveling a budget

[polar iris]

Mobile discord now shows you this if you write an username with more than 32 letters heh

[brave field]

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-1tb-p2/p/N82E16820156252?Item=N82E16820156252

$67 for a 1TB PCIe 3.0x4 (2400/1800) with code EMC2AAZ2545

sadly a tossup if you get the TLC version or the QLC version

[latent drum]

so resizable bar on Intel wont work with AMD gpus

[jovial tide]

who uses that resizable bar?

for AMD SAM crashes games ruins people's days

[latent drum]

I mean

For amd everything crashs lmao

[arctic yarrow]

Damn, missed it. It's out of stock.

[brave field]

unfortunate 😦

[arctic yarrow]

Aww well, I probably did not need another TB of solid state storage....

[latent drum]

Overclocking cheap ass memory on 10400F

I will see where it goes

Rn at 3200mhz

My testing
= mod at bios -> run 25 cycles of OCCT

[fervent granite]

overclock it to at least 4.0 ghz

[latent drum]

4ghz?

Why?

I will go to 3600mhz then tighten the timings

If i reach that

My problems before was that "Auto" = 0.95V intel bruh

[latent drum]

For VCCIO
I set it to 1.2V

[fervent granite]

so you can make fresh fried ram sticks

[latent drum]

Might lower it to 1.18V

This shit is cool AF

intel you dipshits why you ruin the good things

not sure about how far this will go

yup

[jovial tide]

H

[latent drum]

give me my extra 3 Fps at TF2

passed

thinking of the popular 16 19 19 39

This is fun

Its on cycle 10 no errors yet
Normally errors around 1-2

My guess intel will allow slight overclocking on B660 or B760

Ironic that you can overclock the bus on B460 while not on B560 but you xan overlock the memory and remove powerlimits on B560 and not the B460

it passed

bruh

Ok last changes
Ram -> 1.4V
tRAS -> 38
tRFC -> 525

[jovial tide]

is oleg here?

1.4V 😮

That's like 0.05 above XMP

[latent drum]

That was dumb lol

it should run way fast now

[lost fossil]

[latent drum]

10900K + 3090 be like : 😭

[lost fossil]

in the last couple of generations overclocking has been coming with a lot of diminishing returns tbf ngl

[ionic thistle]

Thinking of getting a ps5 but it's hella expensive
Can I play ps5 games on a maybe PS 4 slim/pro ?

[graceful brook]

ok

[latent drum]

On ryzen yes
Intel no

[cold elbow]

Wym

U buy a cpu that is capable of doing 5ghz out of the box

[latent drum]

10400F is capable but isnt doing it

You have to buy the rebranded "10600k"

But the mobo to OC it is more expensive

Like 400-450$ total for cpu and mobo? Bruh

There is a reason AMD X didnt success

[cold elbow]

[latent drum]

And thats with CPU only
Like no one is willing to pay 50$ for the same thing they can do in bios

Now imagine extra for mobo

[cold elbow]

And that was my point for recommending a 3600 with b450/b550

[latent drum]

But the thing is
A maxed 3600 with OC and everything will run worse than a 10400F

And i dont see AMD making 150$ 6600

[cold elbow]

U can oc a 3600 up to 4.5ghz

And tighten the ram timings

Or even better

Use Ryzen CTR

[latent drum]

It will run hotter and match the 10400F

[cold elbow]

NOPE

read about CTR

[latent drum]

Yes? It depends on the memory

[cold elbow]

CTR is an amazing tool

It doesn't oc all cores and doesn't pump up the voltage

It just keeps testing until it finds the best clock your silicon is capable of

[latent drum]

Yea
The 5600X would have been good at least around 250$

[cold elbow]

And it OC per CCX

[cold elbow]

Seen it goes for less

But whats the point

3600 is enough

[latent drum]

I have never it even go lower than 280$

[cold elbow]

You live in a bad place for amd

[civic cloud]

https://gyazo.com/6e719ec94439bac8da8effd5a5a443a4

https://gyazo.com/9a1c6f80dced20ab8a238299cfad5424

big sad

[cold elbow]

Europe is fkd

[latent drum]

3600 is in shit situation of availability right world wide
It isnt 180$ anymore

[civic cloud]

that already includes VAT tho

[latent drum]

Also memory matters alot

Hynix runs better with intel

Hynix sucks on AMD
While samsung work with everything but tend to favor AMD a lil

Iam impressed with the garbage memory i got achieving that

[cold elbow]

What did you get

[latent drum]

Teamgroup 3200 16gb like for 50$ new

[cold elbow]

One stick?

[latent drum]

2

Ofc lol

[cold elbow]

What's their xmp and what u achieved

[latent drum]

3200
Barely running at it
I think it was 16 18 18 38

I got 3600
16 19 19 38

They are still 50$ ram

[cold elbow]

Why not keeping the speed and lower the timings

Cl14 would be great

[latent drum]

Higher performance

Speed beats timings

[jovial tide]

What sub timings?

Is it stable?

[latent drum]

very infact

silicon lottery

[jovial tide]

Do you stutter?

One thing I hate about ram overclock is, it passes everything then you suddenly stutter

[latent drum]

minecraft doesnt count so no

[jovial tide]

Did you OCCT it?

[latent drum]

yes

25 cycles/ 10mins

[jovial tide]

Well you're in a good place

Computing gods have blessed you

[latent drum]

ikkk

[jovial tide]

sub timings are tight?

[latent drum]

intel memory controller is superior to AMD which is kinda ironic

[jovial tide]

what about voltage?

it's just your stick, same stick can do it with AMD

[latent drum]

its Hynix , probably not

[jovial tide]

I bet

[latent drum]

i run it on 1.4V but during load it runs at 1.38

[jovial tide]

So what happens if you run at 1.35

[latent drum]

on latest AMD bioses Hynix have needs to run at very high voltage to achieve the same timings

idk if that is fixed

[jovial tide]

well the hynix can run xmp on 1.35

idk how that's possible

[latent drum]

but its probably fine , Hynix mem can just shit load of V about 1.6 before it starts to shit it self

[latent drum]

i didnt try

[jovial tide]

yeah try cause that's the tested and intended voltage for xmp right?

[latent drum]

yes but now extra speed

[jovial tide]

doesn't matter much

[latent drum]

when i OC ram , i go for 1.45V
then after the right timings i go for 1.4V and leave it there

dont forget on intel you need to OC the mem controller

[jovial tide]

well in AMD you have fCLK to change

[latent drum]

stock runs at arond 0.95-1.05V
i run it at 1.18V

its safe since the maximum safe is around 1.28 and max is 1.54

man , if only this 150$ CPU was unlocked

like on open bench stock cooler under stress testing is 66C and normal gaming is 50C

i would have ran it at 4.5ghz

https://tenor.com/view/this-why-i-cant-have-nice-things-gif-15043173

intel really needed these 7 people who bought the i5 10600K money

and now i need to mod some bios

[latent drum]

I run it on 800mhz here

[jovial tide]

10400F is hard locked

[latent drum]

?

[jovial tide]

It's locked very hard

You can't unlock it even with bios editors it hard locks

To the point of not being able to use the power button

[latent drum]

i know

i was talking about modding the GPU bios

i just wish it was unlocked

i like this CPU

i like the idea of this CPU*

intel is like mojang
the best concept ever with the most freaking dipshit implementation

[jovial tide]

So what GPU is locked?

Unlock it! all it takes is some vbios editing and maybe soldering skills

[civic cloud]

@lost fossil my gpu is doing an annoying sssssss sound when using a lot of power

Any way I can fix that? :(

[jovial tide]

Anyone know how to fix this? It's been happening recently.
If you can't see the image clearly, im getting 90-91c on some games

[civic cloud]

Are you playing a laptop? Maybe your exhaust is dusty

[cold elbow]

is that cpu or gpu?

[jovial tide]

whats that cpu gpu

[jovial tide]

open the gpu remove dust with a duster then apply some oil

[lost fossil]

coil whine

[jovial tide]

gpu

If it was my cpu, it'd turn off at 60

that koil whine can be lessened if you oil it a little bit like put a bit of oil in different places

91 is way too high

[civic cloud]

Apply oil to what? It's water cooled

[jovial tide]

laptop? @jovial tide

[civic cloud]

:(

[jovial tide]

on the chip

No. PC

like on top of your chip and koils

coils**

[civic cloud]

u wot

[jovial tide]

@jovial tide you need to remove dust or change the gpu cooler

you know you get one of those things you put into your ear

Tried all of that. Even put new thermal paste in it

get a little oil @civic cloud then apply on the chips

My gpu is also not overclocked, it's bone stock

a cotton swab yeah

[cold elbow]

nope

it's also not an issue

[jovial tide]

doesn't matter undead that's what it takes

oil fixes coil whine

Then idk how to fix it

Ill just leave it as is ig

what's the card?

[cold elbow]

did u play with the fan curve?

[jovial tide]

1660

[jovial tide]

Stock

well nice answer

which one

[cold elbow]

yeah like when u hit that temp what is your fan speed?

[jovial tide]

a gtx 1660....?

jesus christ

good luck finding help on the net like that

what do you have? I have a 320

bitch there are 1000 320 models

Omfg

[cold elbow]

some cards wont ramp full fan speed even with high temp so double check that

it's on the same afterburner charts

find max fan speed u got

[jovial tide]

I think it's just faulty cooler

90 degrees in not acceptable

I mean, if it was faulty, id be getting these issues early on

So I doubt that's the problem

[cold elbow]

undead running a pre build with strict airflow as far as i remmeber

[civic cloud]

Well, it's just a lil annoying uwu

[jovial tide]

The case is the only thing that's "pre-built" now

Everything else I bought

yeah kind of not worth the time

enjoy it as is

[cold elbow]

and can tell me about the things i asked undead?

[jovial tide]

The fan speed?

It's kind of pointless helping at this point

"what's the card?" "it's some 1660"

Bruh.

that's a no effort answer

Do you fucking mean the brand of card?

you dont get effort from a no effort answer

Whatever man. I didn't know what you were talking about and thought you meant the card itself, so that's what I respond with

[cold elbow]

yes

[jovial tide]

All I see is fan speed %

[cold elbow]

@jovial tide quick question what was the company of your pre build?

[jovial tide]

ABS

A company by Newegg

Very good support, decent build quality great cable management good prices and specs

Found it

Force the fans to 100% then game a little

See if it makes any difference

[cold elbow]

so it was hitting 100% right

[jovial tide]

Seems so yes

When I was playing, MSI was running the fans at full speed

It still seemed to hit that temp

If it still has warranty I would just send it for repairs

Or replacement

[cold elbow]

opening side panel might be your only savior rn

[jovial tide]

Yeah....about that

[cold elbow]

if that does not help then it might be bad paste

[jovial tide]

Both the front panel and side are completely off. Though I suppose the hot weather here doesn't make it any better

[cold elbow]

that must be a really hot weather

or dusty card?

[jovial tide]

I checked for dust, Didn't seem to be much on there

The only thing I can think of is repositioning my case up higher on my desk for more air since it's on the floor rn

[cold elbow]

yeah that can help

maybe take a pic of the card for us to see what is going on

[jovial tide]

I need a new case at some point too...this one is just awful

yeah, one sec

I can't really get a pic of it without moving everything entirely

Is there anything else I can send that might help?

[cold elbow]

nah

we can do a followUp to this after u move the case

maybe improve things or test the card paste

for now if you overheat try reducing the power limit to like 90&-80%

[jovial tide]

Alright

Melon you wanna recommend someone ABS?

[cold elbow]

it's one of the options

my friend in the states needs a pc for vr and she does not know much about computers

[jovial tide]

3060ti + 10400F works well

They have a 6700xt + 5600x version too I believe

[cold elbow]

yeah the cost is still questionable

[jovial tide]

hmmm

I paid 1800 canadian $ for mine

right now it's off for 1700$ which is 1370USD I think that's a fair price for the specs
I listed it before and after I bought it, the price is just about right

Asus B560M-A AC + Intel 10400F + UX100 cooler + Oloy 3000MHz C16 16GB + P650B PSU + MSI 3060TI Ventus 2x OCv1 LHR + Deepcool Matrexx 50 + 1TB T-Force Graphene NVME SSD

[cold elbow]

do u have a link for this?

[jovial tide]

yep let me give you

[cold elbow]

the other one as well

[jovial tide]

so this is what I bought now price seems increased https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189?Item=N82E16883360189

the same model exists in newegg us

[cold elbow]

that's CAD?

they are from the states

[jovial tide]

I'll find for you

I bought from Canadian newegg

[cold elbow]

so that's a 1700$

too much eh

[jovial tide]

In newegg it's all here https://www.newegg.com/ABS-Gaming-Desktops/BrandSubCat/ID-8484-3742

So that cost me 1800 at the time, went down to 1700 (canadian $) now it's more but there are other items similar for 1700 1800 by ABS

[cold elbow]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali568/p/N82E16883360198

[jovial tide]

I think they sometimes use ABS to sell more of some parts they have in stock

[cold elbow]

1300$

[jovial tide]

yeah that's it

[cold elbow]

looks decent enough

but thing im worried about is the cooler

i know for a fact she will never clean it lol

[jovial tide]

the cooler's fine I thought the same then realized

the cooler + case combo just works

30 degrees on low and normal loads 50-65 max loads
case carries it

[cold elbow]

yeah

i guess it will run her fine for a long time

[jovial tide]

dude comparing these guys to Dell

they are like angels

Dell support was the most gaslighting experience I've ever had

These guys I said I see some dynamic lines on boot it might be something please send me cable to check, they sent me new displayport cable

[cold elbow]

yeah that's good

[jovial tide]

Then emailed it's not cable, they insisted let's replace your GPU; while Dell would say something like "it's absolutely normal"

I'm happy with the ABS choice so far, they all know decent amount of computer knowledge.

[cold elbow]

u dodged a lot of bullets going with ABS

[jovial tide]

You know I thought I'm paying 2500 for a crappy laptop

Why not get something that's actually good; even GamersNexus liked it. Saved 100$ on top of that getting rid of laptop and getting this.

[cold elbow]

this is why i always say no to laptops

[jovial tide]

That M15 R6 is a cancer

A very beautiful laptop that performs well but at 100 degrees :/

It's like a time bomb, sooner or later it'll break badly and malfunction like that.

[radiant sinew]

Total tech question but how do i turn on dev mode for discord

[jovial tide]

You go to settings

Then go to advanced

[radiant sinew]

ty i was told it was appearance settings lol

[civic cloud]

@cold elbow on a scale from 1 to 10, how worried should I be if my pc keeps making a rattling noise for a few seconds every few minutes? 🥺🤨

[cold elbow]

U should at least know what it's

[civic cloud]

Well it's prolly the pump

[cold elbow]

If its from a power supply for example u should just burn your house right now rather than waiting for it to burn

Oh how did you mounted it?

Can we see

[civic cloud]

To the rad, below the res

One sec

@cold elbow

[cold elbow]

If it's been running for a long time then the possibility of having air in the pump is highly unlikely

[civic cloud]

It's been running for a few weeks by now

[cold elbow]

If it's the pump then u dont need to worry

It wont burn your house

Make sure it's the pump ant something else

[civic cloud]

Well what else I supposed to make that noise

It sounds like you dropped a Softair ball on the floor

Like plonk plonk plonk...done

[cold elbow]

Give the case a shake may be that does something

While it is running

[civic cloud]

Shook it a lil, will report back if noise comes up again

Thanks for the help 🥺

[jovial tide]

I vote for wires in the back

those are usually the ones responsible for rattling sounds

[latent drum]

People that dont change thermal paste every 1.5 years

[latent drum]

After some research
Its not related to bios

Its AMD being ass

[pliant lynx]

window 11 volume mixer is broken

[cold elbow]

Using the same paste for 4 years

Still works as new

[latent drum]

you sure?

it wasnt garbage in the first place

i never seen thermal paste survive for more than 3 years unless on a Pentium or something lmao

not bad for the 200$ one

[brave field]

Looks like there's going to be no non-OEM boards with both DDR4 and DDR5 slots

[latent drum]

i think combing them is a bad idea

DDR3-DDR4 i hated the boards that had both

alot of problems

useless slots

and shit support

[brave field]

yeah, but that part was so fun

reading threads of people who ignored their manual and mixed DDR3 with DDR3L and DDR4 all at the same time

seeing them only support DDR4 at 1866MHZ and occasionally 2133mhz after a BIOS update

and then Kaby Lake only supporting DDR3L and not DDR3, but the board maker insisting both were supported on their website

[latent drum]

well yes , until blue screens , corrupted data and VRMs failing

DDR4/5 boards will probably be the H610

and maybe B660

[cold elbow]

Still barely hit 65C on full load

[latent drum]

depends on the card / CPU

[cold elbow]

I do the same benchmarks for my pc after every major update to make sure nothing is wrong

[latent drum]

if a cpu isnt hot in the first place it can probably run wihtout thermal paste lol

[cold elbow]

It's a gtx1070 ti

A hot boi

[latent drum]

1070 TI isnt that hot but i have it run cooler

[cold elbow]

200W is not hot?

[latent drum]

its not about the the W

its not a copper coil

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

[cold elbow]

So now you are saying that thermal paste can survive 4 years

[latent drum]

RX 580 ^

[latent drum]

its not optimal , probably can run cooler

[cold elbow]

580 generated heat is less than a 1070 ti

Especially when my card power limit goes to 130℅

[latent drum]

580 normal TDP 145W
most cards are 160-180W

[cold elbow]

Tested it day one and few days ago
Giving exactly the same temps

[latent drum]

for like
Sub 1060 performance

[cold elbow]

Oh and btw

It was even used for mining

[latent drum]

if your 580 isnt like this , its probably at 80C

this card efficiency can be compared to a broken honda civic

[cold elbow]

Moral of the story
Your statement of thermalpaste should be replaced every 1.5 year is wrong because it depends on the running condition and the type of paste

[latent drum]

yes i did say i change it every 1.5 years
but i said you probably shouldnt go more than 3 years without changing it

specially when you have the garbage stock thermal paste

i yet to see anyone other than gigabyte and evga to use a morally near good thermal paste on their GPUs

[cold elbow]

Statements like that is why a lot of people don't understand thermalpaste.

Making think they are fool for having a perfectly functional device

[latent drum]

its a laptop?

i would advice to change it pretty regularly on toasters

[cold elbow]

I don't see u mentioning laptops anywhere in that statement

Nobody was even talking about them.

And good night

[latent drum]

?

[cold elbow]

That's a desktop

[latent drum]

i was there mostly then left it and gone

[cold elbow]

And his graphics card was overheating

NOT A LAPTOP

[cold elbow]

And that's another one because my card is on stock paste and its msi.

[latent drum]

bruh i was just typing

graphics card overheating
steps
if you have EGVA 10 series , change thermal pads
for the rest :
deep clean the thing
change thermal paste specially on MSI cards
if it doesnt work , then try undervoting and finding a good fan curve for your card online
when cleaning the gpu i would probably advice also to brush the back of the fans with a soft tooth brush

i have seen some MSI with shit thermal paste

their midrange is just yikes

4 slot RX 590 OC

thats now how math works

the coolest memory stick i have seen in a while , change my mind

[fervent granite]

these look way better

[latent drum]

pure 8 packs

shirt on vs off still looking sexy lmao

[fervent granite]

I prefer components without plastic pieces or branding all over it

[latent drum]

gone are the days of ARE YOU RUNNING DUAL CHANNEL? and welcome to ARE YOU RUNNING QUAD CHANNELS

[latent drum]

me too , it just looks so slick and smooth compared to what the hell was releasing in the past 2 years while also providing heatsinks

[kindred temple]

Threadripper and X299 users: yes

[fervent granite]

facts my guy, I especially hate it when the plaster them with tonnes of rgb

[latent drum]

threadripper will be octa channel

bruhs

WOT ARE THOSE

my god DDR5 is sexy

cant wait in 2 years when they want to sell it so they will ad shit tone of RGB and reflection for double the price of the normal one

[kindred temple]

Im fine with brushed metal and a dimmer RGB color.

But even the latter is hard to find even on serious brand like Crucial

[latent drum]

team group have some good cheap memory

[kindred temple]

The only one with good binning is xtreem lineup

Which looks hella fine but flies in the face of minimalistic build

[jovial tide]

Octa channel means nothing

You don't need to fill in 8 slots to get most out of it

Those separate channels are useful if you have different machines running that are so important to you that you need to have dedicated rams for them

[latent drum]

with ddr5 its 4

each ram stick is dual channel

[jovial tide]

oh wow

so a single stick is dual channel by its own

[latent drum]

yes

[jovial tide]

2 sticks, quad, 4 octa

[latent drum]

yup

[jovial tide]

well that's great!

[latent drum]

makes sense

[jovial tide]

I still think 5900x + x570 (top models) + 6900xt is a better build than these new ones

[latent drum]

mostly cause prices

[jovial tide]

it'll drop a little

[latent drum]

but i do think its not worth to buy anything rn

[jovial tide]

wait a few days

specially high end parts will drop

[latent drum]

dont forget the new I5 performs better than the 5900X

if i was buying high end
i will wait till AMD Zen4

see what intel and AMD have to offer

[jovial tide]

AMD has nothing much to offer

Specially for DDR5

[latent drum]

they need to move on DDR5 sooner or later

[jovial tide]

It also doesn't have much to offer for Win11

It just exists for now

[latent drum]

they did depend on a garbage architecture that was getting outdated quickly

thats why moslty 6000 series wont be DDR5 until they optimize the IF to run at DDR5

[jovial tide]

well that'll take a year or two

AMD always behind

[latent drum]

on DDR5 my guess is that they gonna move to either 5Nm or 4NM+

4NM+ is very good low effort to run the IF on high frequencies

also prices
AMD 5000 series : how to destroy your product segmentation and bad marketing

[fervent granite]

fixed discord's font

[jovial tide]

Why would you get 6600mhz @ cl 36 (36-36-36-76)? Hmmm

I still don't understand how this is a jump from ddr4

It's like putting a faster engine in a car with worse gearbox that shift slower or same gearbox and much bigger tires

[brave field]

efficiency

DDR4 is also slower than most DDR3 kits if you look only at mhz and cl

[jovial tide]

Yeah but absolute times right?

[brave field]

potentially doubled bandwidth,yes

[jovial tide]

Interesting

So it should half up to half DDR4 medium range ram times in nano second (total)

Plus the voltage controller is on chip

[fervent granite]

sf pro text

[kindred temple]

i would less argue its like that. Its more like it now packs taller gear, and smaller engine with superchargers.

[jovial tide]

xqcPeepo_HF

oops

[unreal iron]

I have a technical question

I have come into posession of an older smartphone. An LG V10. I need lightweight versions of apps that will work on its old hardware

In the time that I use it over my folding one.

Discord is especially hard on it but that's ok. I'm looking for something like a better browser app, photo app, and maybe messaging app

It has LG messaging and chrome as defaults

[cold elbow]

It's not that simple
Each module sends two 32bit data to the CPU
Meanwhile, ddr4 sends one 64bit
It's good for latency i guess but again timings are doubled.

[cold elbow]

Or u can get a custom firmware?

[unreal iron]

It's a phone from 2012 I'm not sure what int can and can't do. It can't handle new internet without munching it's battery life and the keyboard stalls when I type too fast

It's a "version exclusive" and comes preloaded with all the garbage that entails

[cold elbow]

Yes i had one like it

And flashed it with another firmware to get rid of all that

[unreal iron]

Will it still work with a Verizon sim

[cold elbow]

I flashed a global firmware

Which was stock from LG

[unreal iron]

Will that help unload it so it runs faster and doesn't die at 45 minutes of screen on time lol

[cold elbow]

Well maybe

It might also be a battery issue

[unreal iron]

In the 40 minutes since I typed that message it's down 6%

3% was just typing the message on discord

3% in the 35 minutes since

[cold elbow]

The device i had was dead... Board was dead so ordered a new one from ali express

[unreal iron]

This phone came scary pristine. No scratches or divots.

[cold elbow]

It came with firmware from israel or something that is not even the latest and refused to update

[kindred temple]

its more stable overall and also its good for data efficiency as the RAM can just send the 32 bit that a CPU needed if the load isnt fully 100%

[cold elbow]

So i flashed another firmware

[unreal iron]

With updates it bloats tho and becomes harder to run

[cold elbow]

Yeah ik

[unreal iron]

I dont think I can ask it to go 2 days like phones do now but I'd like it to be able to like.....make it a day? And I don't think it can manage that

[cold elbow]

The one i had easily makes it

Do the firmware then get a good battery

[kindred temple]

i usually just skip both step and go and get good phone 😎

[unreal iron]

Do I just Google "how to flash X phone"

[cold elbow]

Yeah dont do a custom firmware

[unreal iron]

I have a good phone, this is for when I go places where I dont want to flash something that screams "rob me"

[cold elbow]

Just use official first

[unreal iron]

https://lg-firmwares.com/how-to-flash/

This?

[cold elbow]

Yeah i guess

U only need to get the correct rom

[unreal iron]

Ok

[civic cloud]

@cold elbow it's still rattling 🥺🥺🥺

More shaking

[cold elbow]

Shake it baby

[civic cloud]

its still doing it >:(((

but less

ugh

[jovial tide]

@cold elbow Out of curiosity, have you had inaccurate readings with MSI Afterburner before?

[jovial tide]

Intel 12th gen videos are out

[brave field]

@unreal iron Look into F-Droid after

FOSS app store, most things are designed to be as lightweight as possible

Bromite might help a lot, despite its Chromium base

[jovial tide]

Guys what's the difference between ultimate and high performance

[fervent granite]

in what context?

[vernal bloom]

Need help guys I wanna get a gaming pc by December but i don’t know which one i should get any idea ?

[lost fossil]

one is slightly more of a marketing term than the other

[jovial tide]

But these are Windows power profiles @lost fossil

[lost fossil]

ultimate must be a profile created by some program

[fervent granite]

then they really don't do anything

[lost fossil]

so it might be more optimized than high performance

[fervent granite]

you can manually edit and set your own power prefs if you want, I do that with my mbp

[jovial tide]

These are default windows power profiles