tech-coding-math

[slim bluff]

have you tried another cable, have your tried another monitor

[jovial tide]

Res 1080p shows these dynamic lines on boot. Shows the same when there's no drivers (ddu) after, but boots to windows when drivers installed.

Yep I asked Newegg to send me another cable. It's on the way. I might have damaged the cable putting it in

[brave field]

Its an exact 16:9 1080p being displayed when you don't have driver in your OS?

That can be normal for the boot screen/UEFI, since most don't display far above 800x600 still, and nobody makes drivers for the UEFI. It happening at 16:9 1080p in Windows without the driver is weird though

[jovial tide]

I don't get image when it bugs out at all but HDMI shows 1080

I'll check when I get home Cookie

But it sometimes happens sometimes doesn't when driver's installed. I'm thinking when I install driver it makes up for vad cable somehow

[jovial tide]

such a neat distro, especially for laptops with dual gpu

[brave field]

Definitely recommend it over the nonsense that Ubuntu has become, that's for sure

[jovial tide]

damn right

[brave field]

Don't like it as much as Debian still, but Debian comes with literally nothing but the expected CLI tools and a web browser

not a fun time for someone new. Pop's defaults are simple enough to get used to, and you don't have to research which GUI text editor or file manager you want

[jovial tide]

yea, If Im gonna suggest someone(a newcomer ofc) a distro, I'd probably never suggest vanilla Debian, instead maybe MX, which is rock solid aswell

in fact ive been using it for a long time

since version 18 ig

[brave field]

Why MX over Debian? Similar situation?

[jovial tide]

well first of all, MX is not using systemd by default which is a bonus( but systemd is available as an option to be activated), secondly the MX dev team have made such useful beginner-friendly tools embedded to the system, like all the things one might need to configure on the system in one place, which is very user friendly.

add these tasteful stuff to a rock solid base(Debian), recipe for a nice distro. thats why its been at the top for long time now

but it seems EndeavourOS is gonna beat MX in the months to come, according to Distrowatch

I like arch but I never 'feel at home' with it

[brave field]

Arch gives me the choice anxiety I assume newercomers would feel with Debian (and I totally didn't forget to install a bootloader because the wiki didn't mention it)

[jovial tide]

Cookie, 1080P 120Hz on boot picture, then it loads to windows becomes 1080p 165Hz

[brave field]

UEFI displaying 1080p120, wtf

[jovial tide]

Yep according to my monitor info (cause it sometimes shows thje picture)

[cold elbow]

your monitor probably telling BS

[slim bluff]

are you checking out arch cookie?

[brave field]

tried it last month and it did not go well, but I might again soon

[slim bluff]

ah just saw you mention arch and compare it to debian

[brave field]

I don't really know all the software I want

like if I should get Perl for some program that might want it (need to research why it comes with debian-based distros in the first place to understand), or which things I'll lose by not including python2 (Fedora seems fine without it?), or if I should really be sticking to nano when vi/vim should probably be learned because it comes preinstalled on AWS/Azure instances, for example

bother with i3wm, or stick with KDE/XFCE? PulseAudio or PipeWire? X or Wayland?

[slim bluff]

ah right

[jovial tide]

probably the only thing I like and dislike at the same time about arch is it being on the cutting edge

[slim bluff]

I normally learn all of this by fucking about on my laptop, I dont care if I bork my OS its a 1GHz dual core pentium, its old as fuck

I still need to test bspwm, never got round to it

[jovial tide]

same here, but with virtualbox

[brave field]

Virtualbox is my testing place too

things don't behave the same on hardware and sometimes the vbox drivers are broken or unusable for whatever reason (Alpine). I don't want to prematurely judge PipeWire or Wayland or whatever for it, though.

[jovial tide]

you mean the vbox agent that is installed on guest os?

[brave field]

yes

The guest additions that sometimes won't install because a certain distro uses some customized busybox something that causes a long list of errors

[jovial tide]

well thats right, in fact I tried alpine on vmware also, and the vmware agent didn't work with it too

[brave field]

The guest additions in apk don't work either, despite being a different install method

[jovial tide]

probably incompatible with its kernel or something

but if thats the case, why is it added to apk in the first place xd

well I never use alpine with GUI anyway, I dont need those agents anyway

[brave field]

What sorts of things do you like to run on Alpine?

[jovial tide]

alpine somehow is like my playground, since its nimble and fast, I learn and experience stuff on it, like I used it to learn python, as webapps server (flask) etc, and also use it as a webserver sometimes, also as SQL server

[brave field]

ah

you don't do the latter three in docker/podman?

[jovial tide]

no i dont use docker since im not doing anything serious, just learning

[brave field]

ah

[jovial tide]

tbh ive not used docker yet

[brave field]

o

Its fun using premade containers, but learning how to make and put stuff into containers feels weird

[jovial tide]

hmm

I think docker and containers are something that Im missing out, should get my hands dirty with it someday soon

[slim bluff]

they really are great (particularly docker-compose) when you are contributing with other people, think something like python virtual environments on steroids

[jovial tide]

I figured something interested out check this out.

the default refresh rate is 120 (PC), that's why the monitor shows 120Hz in boot screen

[cold elbow]

what a shame

[jovial tide]

lol @cold elbow when did that happen

[cold elbow]

Today

[jovial tide]

Why Ms. Melon that's kind of sad

[cold elbow]

Happens to the best of us

[hollow vault]

Hi

[brave field]

We live in the era of decent stock coolers

[jovial tide]

Yeah, like right now this 20$ thermaltake cooler is easily cooling my 10400F

Btw, that monitor problem, when it happens I get a weird resolution like 620x3688 14Hz - If I change the cable to HDMI while I'm in bios getting that, it displays normally.

[kindred temple]

Im losing my fucking mind

1 Guy legitimately linked a 3733C17 kit that has shaky OC history and only like 10$ cheaper than an actual 3200C16 from crucial that has been repeatedly proven to have done 3800C17 or even C16

[jovial tide]

Don't lose your mind it's like 5% performance difference

[kindred temple]

Thats what i was trying to explain

but yeah, no point.

The guy is like, one of those r word r/pcmasterrace user

[jovial tide]

I'm banned on buildapc

[arctic yarrow]

PC building simulator? I've played though that game a little bit, and never gotten that achievement :P.

[arctic yarrow]

@brave field Got my multimeter in the mail (thank you amazon prime). I just tested the voltage of the battery and it hit 3.1 volts.

far cry from the 14.8 volts it's rated for.

Guess I'll be buying a new battery.

[jovial tide]

your battery 3.1? like pc battery?

[arctic yarrow]

Yeah

From the laptop I saved from my neighbor's trash bin.

[jovial tide]

Well if it's full charge 3.1 volts it's pretty much dead

Is it bloated?

[arctic yarrow]

Can't tell, the actual battery component is hidden inside hard plastic.

[jovial tide]

then it's not bloated

it should have around 14.8 in the output

[arctic yarrow]

yup

But it won't even detect in the OS.

[jovial tide]

like 10% less is acceptable

you have to recycle it, like bring it to eletronics recycling center

[arctic yarrow]

based me disassembles it to salvage the 18650 Li-Ion batteries inside

[jovial tide]

careful there bud. you might blow something up.

there's a reason they put it on thick packaging

[arctic yarrow]

https://gfycat.com/needysomberitaliangreyhound

Yeah, I'm not gonna be that stupid

I'll just recycle it.

And buy another battery

Looks like they're going for around 50 USD.

https://www.amazon.com/LBTECH-W370BAT-8-Compatible-Replacement-W370BAT-3/dp/B083J2YM8M/

[jovial tide]

Omg that's cheap

[arctic yarrow]

Feels expensive to me, but I've never personally owned a gaming laptop before now

[jovial tide]

What are the specs?

[arctic yarrow]

I7 4710HQ, GTX 860m, 12GB ram, 120GB mSATA SSD, 1TB 5400RPM HDD.

OS was fucked beyond all repair, so I suspect that was the reason my neighbor tossed it.

Reinstalled windows 10 and it runs like butter now.

[jovial tide]

That's not too bad. Can you sell it?

[arctic yarrow]

Probably, I could either sell it or use it as my daily driver for school.

[jovial tide]

Buy a Lenovo Legion or MSI GE Raider you'll see what a laptop is

(I wanted to say Alienware X17 but then 3000$ price)

[arctic yarrow]

I don't do a lot of gaming away from my desktop tbf.

[jovial tide]

Just for educational purposes

Take a look at this -> https://xoticpc.com/collections/extreme-series-gaming-laptops

They custom build laptops for you from different brands

[arctic yarrow]

Yup, stuff I can't afford rn 😛

[cold elbow]

I was thinking that the aio came with thermal paste lol

[supple walrus]

Asus TUF F15 also solid, cheap ish option

[jovial tide]

No mux or advanced optomus and no gpu boost

[supple walrus]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Still cheap but good

[jovial tide]

But for the price good yeah. All of those are expensive

[supple walrus]

Yea

And for the same price as a legion a higher spec ROG/TUF performs similarly

[jovial tide]

Well no

At least the gpu performs considerably less

[supple walrus]

Ehhhh

3080 S17 is pretty solid

[jovial tide]

Let me explain

2 things happen, when you don't have optimus or mux switch all your dedicated gpu data goes through the integrated one.

this is not only a gpu bottleneck, but also a cpu bottleneck too because it takes some of the power budget from the CPU

[supple walrus]

Ah I c

[cold elbow]

3080 on a laptop is stupid

[kindred temple]

Weak igpu on a laptop is stupid

Reason that stupid MX series and 3050 mobile to even exists is really very casual gamers

Or straight up just want a booster for video editors.

Any booster.

Honestly hot take: if people want to relearn and when Adobe (or other NLE/content creation suite) fully transitioned their suite to AS, the M1 Pro could be a good alt to those who have run their respective ecosystem.

[jovial tide]

dont throw that away tho, you can salvage those cells inside, very useful, I have made many of my devices rechargeable with those cells, like my bicycle's head/tail lights etc etc, also made powerbanks with them

not all cells in those battery packs go faulty, its usually 1-2 cells that go faulty and impact the whole output voltage

[jovial tide]

why, I actually really like it. works perfectly on 1440p g-sync laptops
also 3080 (notebook) works like 3070 if there's no mux switch.

[cold elbow]

Because to run that guy on max performance u need shit ton of cooling

It wont give u maximum performance

End up near a 3070 performance

[jovial tide]

true but my puny little M15 R6 handled that 3070 well like I had 65-70 temps

[cold elbow]

And cost a lot more

[jovial tide]

Also if you buy it from someone like xoticpc.com they will tune up the cooling for you
Like professional liquid metal, better fans etc.

[cold elbow]

Only one way to cool the cooling

By building a laptop that is big and heavy

And cost a lot more

[jovial tide]

Melon you should get one from xotic it's insane what they can do.

[cold elbow]

How about

Give me a laptop with 3070 that comes with a 3080 cooler

[jovial tide]

Raider

[cold elbow]

Laptops are a scamming shithole

U can never be safe

[jovial tide]

Well you should get a good one

[jovial tide]

gaming laptops imo

[cold elbow]

Unless you buy from FrameWork ❤️ ❤️

[jovial tide]

The MSI Ge Raider will change your mind

[cold elbow]

Msi

No thank you

[jovial tide]

It's on top of the chart

[cold elbow]

Because the bars are too low

For all other laptops

They all design laptops to meet the critical TDP

[jovial tide]

I disagree, Ge raider's very good.

[cold elbow]

Which means gpu boost gonna suckk

"But it's running with its rated clock speed"

Fk u

[jovial tide]

Well if you take a moment and look at a Ge raider you'll understand

It has actually GPU boost which gives the GPU more power compared to other normal laptops.

[cold elbow]

Just like game boost in msi bios

When u enable it u get a blue screen

[jovial tide]

Nothing alike, this one's not enabled in bios

Just gives the gpu more power budget on boost. anyways none of us have that laptop so it's just a waste of time.

[cold elbow]

Gpu needs thermal headroom

[jovial tide]

But I'll buy one when I get some money

[cold elbow]

More power wont change shit

[jovial tide]

It literally comes on top of every benchmark (11800H)

[civic cloud]

All the power juice uwuwuwu

[jovial tide]

And it shows great temps

[cold elbow]

Tell me

Does it maintain its maximum boost with a combined torture test?

[jovial tide]

Yep, that's why it's on top

[cold elbow]

Bs

[jovial tide]

It's just like X17

With better power, I don't see why not.

[cold elbow]

U dont see

But u didn't see

Im not saying it's bad

It might be the best laptop

Only because the bars for laptops with 3080 are too low

Even techy people always not recommend that lol

[jovial tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i6RVtRBET4

6:10 - there's a new 11800H version of this right now
And this is without liquid metal (if you buy one from xotic they will liquid metal it for you)

[cold elbow]

At 6:10 that was not a combined stress test

It's a gaming load

[jovial tide]

The bottom part says stress

[cold elbow]

And u saying it's on top charts ... Ofc

Hes comparing to a laptop with 2080

And who even is that guy

The only way to keep that thing boosting to max is by setting the fan to the maximum speed which is too fkn loud and unusable
And even with that CPU temp reached whopping 91C

[arctic yarrow]

I'm not gonna risk igniting it though.

[brave field]

3.1v is beyond dead ye

some of the cells might work individually. 3.7v 18650s are okay if any individuals read at 3.1v. Else, find a good center to recycle them

[jovial tide]

Cookie, new cable same result, display looks better though.

It's a monitor specific problem then, and it might be because of that page's resolution or something.
I found this guy, completely different computer with the same monitor model https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?125968-problematic-DisplayPort-output-during-UEFI-BIOS-POST-screens

[brave field]

hm

[jovial tide]

I think the monitor fails to switch to 60Hz for some reason

[jovial tide]

is $190 overpriced for a used gtx 1050 ti?

[lost fossil]

yes

[jovial tide]

Is 4000 overpriced for a gt 710

[kindred temple]

Even in Indonesian Rupiah its overpriced

[lost fossil]

i wanted to make a zimbabwe dollar joke but it appears to be more valuable?

[kindred temple]

Yeah because theyve been recycled again

The meme dollar is the 3rd iteration of zimbabwean dollar

Backed by gold... Which is sold by the family of the president.

Rn iirc its backed by USD.

But im not so sure

[jovial tide]

i7 7700k or Ryzen 5 2600

[kindred temple]

If you dont have the board for both, just get 8700k

[cold elbow]

@jovial tide 2600

[cold elbow]

Might as well go for a 3600 with a b460 lmao

[kindred temple]

Then get 10400F with B560 board

[cold elbow]

And bottleneck yourself with 2660 ram and non-overclockable cpu and mobo

[kindred temple]

B560 allows XMP

[cold elbow]

So

How about the 10400f

Also b450 mobos are way cheaper

And support 5th gen ryzen.

[kindred temple]

If you said that 2 weeks ago i would agree, but 5600x is back in the 400$ range again

[jovial tide]

AMD Ryzen 9 5600 Is like 250 here

[cold elbow]

I never said that u should buy a 5600

I said it's an option for the future

[jovial tide]

10400F is good but not good enough

10400F + B560 no overclocking whatsoever

https://thehackernews.com/2021/10/researchers-break-intel-sgx-with-new.html

intel:

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-baby-stan-laurel-sad-face-gif-17569522

[jovial tide]

no one really knows how many of these vulnerabilities currently exist and are being exploited by organized groups of crackers

they milk these vulnerabilities and then make them public for the fun of it

[iron lantern]

not efficiently

[cold elbow]

what does that even mean?

[vernal bloom]

Need help so i bought the cw cd and started downloading the games then suddenly my ps4 making weird noise this only happens when i put call of duty cd but when i put other game and download them this does not happen ? Any idea

[latent drum]

You can

Quite limited but you can

10500 is a better overclocker though

But
You can run the 10400F at 3200mhz ram , 4.45ghz all core with increased power limits

The 10400F + good B560 like B560 pro4 still cost less than a R5 5600👍

[frank fern]

who are you

creep

get away from me

henlo

maybeeee

[latent drum]

You can also BCLK over clock

[frank fern]

should i buy those now or?

[frank fern]

yeah for like.01%

[latent drum]

Here is a 10400F running at half the power of the 5600

[frank fern]

kirneill would love to prove you wrong

[latent drum]

You can get the 10500 for about the same price of the 10400F without box on Ebay because dell and it can run at 4.6~4.7ghz with BCLK at 102.9 and increased power limit

[frank fern]

so 11400f

[frank fern]

which b460 should i get for my 3600

[latent drum]

11400f price is weird rn

[frank fern]

mhm

[latent drum]

But you can find it at 170$ if you are lucky enough

[frank fern]

yeah i got mine for 165$ on release day

[latent drum]

And it beats the shit out of 5600X
Problem is with its AVX 512 , it consume alot of power and heat

[frank fern]

i'll be fine with a750gf lel

[latent drum]

The key to good locked intel CPU is good stock multiplier
Always go for 1X500 if you can

You can always find it in stock and cheap because people either buy 400 or 600

[frank fern]

10500 is

[latent drum]

?

[frank fern]

umm it cut me off, but i was gonna as 10500 is oem only?

[latent drum]

You can always find it on ebay

[frank fern]

i know

but is it oem only

guess not

[latent drum]

Every intel 10th and 11th gen CPU can have around extra 125mhz all core with BCLK

The 1X500 usually have +2 multiplier over 400

[frank fern]

yeah it only helps with single core right and still like less than 5%

right

[latent drum]

About 5%

[frank fern]

yeah

[latent drum]

Remember than in stock your CPU dont run at all core max clock

[frank fern]

mhm

[jovial tide]

10400F is not as good as 5600x

[latent drum]

Thats why the 1X500 usually gets better leverage when locked OC
The whole locked intel thing is becaue the 400 and 600 are the same chip with different pricetags

[jovial tide]

well maybe it's just my motherboard, I can't even change turbo settings

[latent drum]

People were running the core i5 6400 at 4.8ghz lmao

[jovial tide]

I tried modifying my bios but it has protection measures, locks the whole computer up

[frank fern]

who cares lol its half the price

[frank fern]

ah. yeah

[jovial tide]

Well it's gonna affect the game performance, personally I think even 5600x is not enough

[latent drum]

Whats your mobo , is it prebuilt or not

[jovial tide]

I'd go for 11600k or 5800x; but that's just me.

[frank fern]

yeah, for sure dude

not like 11600k is e waste, and 5800x is just useless for gaming

but you do you i guess

[jovial tide]

Much more performance because of its different boosts

[frank fern]

ok

its like

[jovial tide]

You get more fps

[frank fern]

300 fps vs 400 in csgo 1080p low

or , 400 vs 500

who gives a shit

[jovial tide]

No silly

Nobody gives a flying rat about CSGo

[frank fern]

put the rest of the money towards a betteer gpu, will yield way better results

[jovial tide]

And again no, it doesn't work that way; 10400F scores less than 7000 on Timespy

[frank fern]

dipshit, i only gave thate example because at csgo 1080p low you're cpu bound almost all the time

[frank fern]

are you slow

[jovial tide]

A laptop 11800H scores about 10-11k

[latent drum]

"K" cpu thing is useless now adays for budget
Specially since like the 11400F performe better than 10600

[jovial tide]

@brave field this guy ☝️

[frank fern]

ok

in csgo 1080p low settings , a scenario where cpu matters more than anything [ram also but whatever] , anything is gonna give 300+ fps

[brave field]

ping, why

[jovial tide]

insults...

[frank fern]

so who cares about better than 10400, put the rest of the money to gpu

and get better performance in every other game

[brave field]

Don't be rude to each other please

[latent drum]

You also need to keep heat and power in mind
The 5600 runs at 100w
And the 5800 CCX design makes as hard asf to cool down

[frank fern]

5800x kinda cringe lol

[jovial tide]

Whatever you say 😉

[frank fern]

cope

[latent drum]

AMD engineers shit them self with the 5800 CCX

[frank fern]

10400 all you need for gaming, any extra money put towards gpu

and plus if you;re getting 3060ti+ you're gonna want a 1440p monitor anyway

[jovial tide]

Well I have 10400F and I'm not happy with it

[frank fern]

where cpu matters even less

[frank fern]

cool

[jovial tide]

I had an Alienware M15 R6 thermalthrottled, performed the same as 3060TI + 10400F just because of 10400F

[latent drum]

150~170W cpu
lets put the heat source at the CORNERS of the cpu

[frank fern]

you have an alienware pc

[frank fern]

;]

[frank fern]

thats all that needs to be said

[latent drum]

Oh wait its prebuilt

Lmao

Board is probably locked down and the CPU running at 3.9ghz

[frank fern]

not to mention its being suffocated

with either a metal slug cpu cooler, or some stupid 120mm aio

inside an oven case

[latent drum]

2666mhz ram speeds

[frank fern]

everything is 😄

[frank fern]

yeah that also

lol

[latent drum]

Makes me wonder if it was single channel

[frank fern]

probably

[jovial tide]

Kind of sucks seeing this part of server like this.

[frank fern]

?

[jovial tide]

I'm pretty sure it's english

[frank fern]

you said 10400 sucks

then proceed to say you had an alienware prebuilt

[jovial tide]

Cause I have 10400F right now, and the Alienware's 11800H thermal throttling performed better (laptop)

[frank fern]

ok? its a laptop cpu, for games single core matters most anyway

whats your point

[latent drum]

You didnt specifiy that

Also
Whats your 10400F loadout

Ram
Board
Settings?

[frank fern]

INB4 2400mhz ram single stick

[latent drum]

B460 sucks compared B560

Like sucks bad

[jovial tide]

right now? B560-A AC (Asus) + MSI RTX 3060TI Ventus 2x LHR + 2x Oloy 3000MHz 16GB

CPU is turbo locked out of the factory

[latent drum]

You change it in the bios?

[jovial tide]

Can't, it's locked.

I tried hacking the bios, also not possible locks out everytime you put a bios editor in it. Like I mean hard locks to the point I can't shutdown holding power button.

[latent drum]

You dont change the turbo
Yoy change the power limit

Then you force BCLK

Asrock is the better choice to go here

[jovial tide]

Well there's no power limit really. I can put both on 250w and 250A IccMax

But it's not gonna change the turbo profile, same clocks more aggressive boost.

[latent drum]

In the bios?

And whats your stable clock speed?

[jovial tide]

I get near 4

[latent drum]

All core

[jovial tide]

Yeah

3.99GHz

[latent drum]

Thats sad

Change BCLK

[jovial tide]

Well that's 10400F

[latent drum]

With the right settings
You can run it at 4.4ghz

[jovial tide]

The all core boost is 4, single core max 4.3 as shown in my XTU

So what do I do? how do I become happy with it?

This ain't changing

[latent drum]

Why are you using this app

[jovial tide]

It's my preferred application.

[latent drum]

You dont use an app..

You just use the bios

[jovial tide]

There's no turbo settings in bios but I'll try wait

[kindred temple]

laptop OC is better with XTU or throttlestop

and if he is still on Dell, its locked.

[latent drum]

Dont change turbo setting
Just change the power limit to 120W or something
Make it continues and change BCLK to 102.9
If it didnt lanuch make it 102.5
Also try to XMP your ram at 3200

[kindred temple]

OH

[jovial tide]

Here is my bios

[kindred temple]

definitely go bios.

[jovial tide]

I have ape2 for cpu power modification

[kindred temple]

also, uninstall XTU before you accidentally just double overclock it and crash it

[jovial tide]

Xtu adjusts

[latent drum]

Go advanced
F7

[jovial tide]

I made no custom profile savef

[latent drum]

Clicked F7?

[jovial tide]

Lol I'm no newbie dude

[latent drum]

Ik

I wanna see asus Tweaker

[jovial tide]

Here is my modified power for cpu

[latent drum]

Change the core/cache ratio

Also make it 125W instead of that..

Change the package power time window too

[latent drum]

It wont boot above 102.9 if you have 7000 non kor above so try between 102.9 and 102.5

Show me after ya done 😄

Also
Dont even mess with voltage

[jovial tide]

Im dumb lol

[latent drum]

[jovial tide]

Cpu core ratio

[latent drum]

dont even try
it will show you but it wont

start with BLCK and power limits

[jovial tide]

Let's see

Xtu shows the real ratios

[latent drum]

ignore XTU

for now

[kindred temple]

what board is this again and what CPU

is it 10400F

with a B560

[latent drum]

B560 and 10400F

[kindred temple]

ah yeah

[latent drum]

yes

[kindred temple]

increase power limit and set XMP

thats all.

you cant do more without having to pay the Z tax which... fuck no.

Just get AMD system in that case.

[jovial tide]

Well I believe even with Z you can't

CPU is hard locked

[latent drum]

dont forget to overclock the BLCK again

[kindred temple]

I honestly dont trust BCLK overclocks as they affects pretty much the entire system.

[jovial tide]

like I have x43 all across but it won't go past 4

[kindred temple]

theyre very desperate route to OC.

show in #memes-and-shitposting 🥺

[latent drum]

they dont

they did back in the days

now BCLK is separate from everything else except ram

[jovial tide]

Where is bclk

[latent drum]

its

just other stuff like PCie and sata was also affected by it

[latent drum]

idk in your mobo but i guess its MAX cpu cache ratio

fucking asus and their namings

it wont , its unrelated since kaby lake i think

@jovial tide its under AI overclock tuner

[jovial tide]

I don't have it

[latent drum]

how

[jovial tide]

B560M A Ac

Or the cpu idk

[latent drum]

you checked every option?

[jovial tide]

Yep

[latent drum]

found this too

[jovial tide]

What's the board and cpu

[latent drum]

oh its board depended

but this board have ape 2

how

[jovial tide]

Well APE 2.0 works, I get a lot more turbo boost power but no BCLK

[latent drum]

thats weird

[jovial tide]

Well that's why I tell you 10400F sucks

It is what it is

[latent drum]

hmmm
i have seens people running it at 4.4
my friend running it at 4.2
i will try to get my hands on 1 soon and make a test here with a ya all

[jovial tide]

Good idea.

But the board doesn't support OC, like it's written in all reviews.

[latent drum]

i will get B560

i will go Asrock since its always been the best with non K intel CPUs

i remember people running the I5 6400 from 3.1gh all core to 4.8ghz on an asrock mobo
iam also very familiar with their bios

[jovial tide]

Interesting

But a B550 + 5600x/5800x or Z590 + 11600k will perform way better
If you wanna buy to use, I don't really recommend this CPU; wait a little when they announce new gen computers buy something like that.

[latent drum]

new gen are DDR5

even if the CPUs are cheap the boards and ram will not

also where is the risk and fun in it lmao

[jovial tide]

No, I mean wait till new ones release then buy b550 + 5600x/5800x or z590 + 11600k

you can buy for cheaper

[latent drum]

Prices arent changed by releases but by demand

[jovial tide]

Well there's hype and they will try to get rid of old stock anyways by the end of the year so older generation prices always drop after new release

[latent drum]

Its like why intel CPU are way cheaper than their MSRP and the 3600 cost 240$

I dont see hype in 300$ 16gb 40Cl 4800 ram lmao

[jovial tide]

I disagree, more fps in all games

Plus better multi tasking

That's absolutely bullshit

10400F 7000 timespy score (cpu), 11600 around 10 to 11k
You just can't say it makes no difference.

Not saying it's lies

But 5 to 10 percent is difference between cpu generations

6 and 7 for example

If you say it's stupid to buy a cpu like that over 10400F you're calling a whole lot of people buying 7 after 6 stupid too

[latent drum]

in gaming it doesnt

its not because the CPUs are bad
just because games are optimized to take all your CPU

scores arent everything

cores too

the difference between a 10400F and 5600 is mostly around 10fps in non esports games

[jovial tide]

Well, I disagree. in a few months it'll make complete sense buying 11600k or 5800x over 10400F 😉

Right now prices are all over the place.

[kindred temple]

No, it will make EVEN MORE sense to go low.

Because soon those who make bad decisions like you will have to drop that shit to ebay, and that means price depreciation.

feast in their bad decision, not join em

[jovial tide]

What do you mean?

[kindred temple]

I assume you mean by few months as in release and announcement of alder lake and 6000 series Zen right?

[jovial tide]

I said before today, it's better to wait a few months then buy 11600K or 5800X when new ones are released

Not buy today, it's horrible buying any high end cpu like that today.

[kindred temple]

^

[jovial tide]

Hmm, my guess is it's not gonna be that different

[kindred temple]

Youre really contradicting yourself.

[jovial tide]

I mean I'll be happy with 10k timespy cpu scores

Let me give you an example

You open FiveM, go to a server spawn a car right?

A modified addon car, it takes considerably longer with lower score CPUs

Everything in games is not just graphical processing

What computers do you have in hand?

You can try this in simulation games

[lost fossil]

if we were on ryzen 3k or 2k then maybe

but considering that the next generation is gonna come with a whole platform change, i don't think it's a good move right now

[kindred temple]

Exactly. Youll be stuck with what you have and you gonna have to inevitably sell what you have now.

So go low, and feast on those who are going to sell.

[jovial tide]

Let's be honest, rams are not going to be too much faster, same as new CPUs

GPUs maybe

[lost fossil]

yes but

if you buy new hardware when it comes out, you're gonna be on the new platform that will support newer stuff when it comes out

[jovial tide]

I agree with Claire, feast on people selling and buy secondhand

[lost fossil]

but if you buy current gen right now then you're gonna be stuck with the current platform for good

[jovial tide]

Well I see no point in buying new gen AM5 or Intel 12th gen

It's gonna be pointless for at least a year or two
Therefore, buying AM4 when AM5 releases is a good choice imo

[lost fossil]

did it finally

[kindred temple]

thanku

[jovial tide]

Dysfunctional = Claire

Functional = that Australian dude hugging cockatoos

https://tenor.com/view/cockatoo-funny-thirsty-gif-14017192

Though this cockatoo is half Russian, probably gopnik

[lost fossil]

[latent drum]

When the R5 3600 was 160$

[lost fossil]

did it go up or smth

[latent drum]

The new intel core I5 is 800 single core and have 10 cores 16 threads...

With pcie Gen 5

And 13th gen
Is 14 cores 18 threads

7nm+
I dont think intel is messing around

[lost fossil]

14c18t just sounds like defective silicon if you ask me

i know it's big little but after 20 years it's hard to adapt

[kindred temple]

yes

[latent drum]

I dont think so
Intel is not taking this easy

Windows 11 was a thing for a reason

[jovial tide]

Is that true some retailers are selling Ryzen Processors at high cost??

[jovial tide]

hm

[jovial tide]

Well for the same reason people say 5800x is a shit choice, 10 core and 14 core CPUs will be bad choices

Billion cores don't change anything

[latent drum]

5800X is shit for others reasons

1 of them being priced 100$ more expensive that the 10 core i9

Other is the awful CPU heat spreader

The best cooler in the market cant do shit to it

Also the powerusage

[lost fossil]

me with a 5800x reading this message like

[jovial tide]

I think 5800x is the best CPU available right now

[latent drum]

Why?

I9 850K is almost better in everyway

[lost fossil]

what

[latent drum]

I9 10850K

Is runs cooler
Have 2C/4T extra
Is unlocked
Lower latency
Better performance
Costs 100$ less

[lost fossil]

but when you buy a 10850k, you know that you couldn't afford the 10900k

[latent drum]

They are 50$ apart

10900K isnt worth it while 10850 excited

The thing about unlocked intel cpus is that all of the lineuo perform the same

Thats the reason intel have locked chip
How they gonna sell you 10400 rebraned as 10600K for 100$ extra

While i do think K i5 is useless

If the 10400&10400F was unlocked it will probably be the whole I5 lineup

[jovial tide]

Well when you buy a 10850k you have to buy a Z490 with it

But for a 5800X you can buy something simple like B550A-Pro

[cold elbow]

How it runs cooler?

5800x consumes less power

[lost fossil]

my 5800x running at 91c in gta and probably throttling looking at this like

[cold elbow]

When u gonna a slap a decent cooler there

[lost fossil]

some day

it's a noctua nh u12s

[cold elbow]

Get yourself a liquid freezer ii
New version comes with ryzen offset bracket that makes it even cooler

[lost fossil]

but what if i already have a sealed nzxt x63 sitting on a shelf collecting dust?

what if i need the bling

[cold elbow]

That is called a bruh moment

Maybe u like 91C after all

[civic cloud]

Y u yell

[lost fossil]

agreege

[cold elbow]

dont think that will happen soon

it will get worse

[fervent granite]

ssd prices wen

[strong saffron]

How do you remove the "edit" password from a PDF? I know this is possible because some websites do it but Adobe Acrobat asks for the password to remove it and GhostScript can't. I'm pretty sure the website isn't bruteforcing it in the few seconds it takes

[latent drum]

You can aslo get a B560 for the other one

And i dont think its a good idea to pair 5800X with half ass VRMs

[cold elbow]

imagine buying a B board for a K CPU

[latent drum]

The heat spreader sucks

The 5800X was designed by 12yos at AMD

[cold elbow]

is that why it's destroying intel?

[latent drum]

well its not

It barelly beats the I9 in single core performance and loses in multicore

[cold elbow]

maybe because the i9 cost more ?

[latent drum]

While running like a moving nuclear stage

The I9 10850k cost 100$ less

[cold elbow]

in your region

probs

[latent drum]

No , like everywhere?
The MSRP of it was already 50$ than the 5800X and now its even cheaper since is a 2 years old CPU

[cold elbow]

and once again we say this..... u can save up with the mobo

[kindred temple]

I guess we all ignore the fact that:

1. 6/12 is still the cap for most prosumer apps for productivity and games
2. 5800x beating the shit out of 10850k

[cold elbow]

thing is...

if u want gaming 5600x... if you want productivity 5900x

[latent drum]

If you willing to buy Z490/590
A B560 will run the I9 just fine with overclocked ram and removed powerlimits
I dont think you need to overclock it since it runs 5.2ghz from the factory
And you can overclock it till 5.4ghz on a B560 mobo too for some reasom

[cold elbow]

yeah 5.2 for 1 or two cores lmao

[kindred temple]

No, just 1.

Rest of it usually 4.9-5

[cold elbow]

what's the point of buying a K cpu then?

[kindred temple]

Honestly the B series VRM is so barebone anyway i would go for the Z tax.

[cold elbow]

meanwhile u can buy a solid b550 board with solid vrm for less cheap

[latent drum]

I dont think beating is a fine word

The I9 productivity numbers are still alot higher too

[cold elbow]

why are we talking about 10900k now?

[latent drum]

Notice how the I9 pulls more power , have 2 more cores and runs at the same temps

They mostly perfome the same but also the I9 10900Kf is still cheaper than the 5800X

The 5800X is a joke
Its around 100-150$ more expensive than it should be

While having the worst heat spreader on any CPU in the entire history of CPUs

[cold elbow]

you seem to have a solid sources for all of that

i suggest you to watch gamersnexus

[latent drum]

https://youtu.be/UAPrKImEIVA

:)

[cold elbow]

and it's funny that u talk about it's poor temps when in your pic the two cpus are on the same temps

[lost fossil]

huh

[latent drum]

While one is consuming like 50 more watts and running 4 extra threads

[kindred temple]

Mfw testtubers

https://c.tenor.com/4HwfRMUfTzEAAAAM/imma-head-out.gif

[latent drum]

You can watch anyone you want tbh
They all say the same thing

[cold elbow]

and getting beaten up

[latent drum]

In what

[cold elbow]

watch your own video

or gamersnexus review

[lost fossil]

huh

[lost fossil]

i see

yeah i'd go with the 5800x that costs almost $100 less

[cold elbow]

yes I'm a CPU that consume 300W and need a 250$ board to function and a 360 AIO to stay cool to only achieve 2% better performance

[latent drum]

then show me how you cool a 5800X

[lost fossil]

doesn't intel also need a 360 aio to stay cool?

[cold elbow]

that what i was talking about

[lost fossil]

with its 420w tdp

[cold elbow]

oh an i almost forgot

no pcie Gen4

and it's on a dead platform

[latent drum]

If you want a deal for you money
Go Ryzen 5 or 9

They are in a price range where they have no competition
Specially the Ryzen 9

[lost fossil]

i needed cores to be on a single ccx, that's why i got the 5800x

later it turned out that it was pointless

but no matter, that was the reason

[cold elbow]

with a liquid freezer ii aio that cost 100$-90$ and keeps it very cool with quiet operation

[cold elbow]

are you using 1usmus power plan?

[latent drum]

The latency is really good with the 5000 series it doesnt matter

[wheat briar]

i still using the intel fan that came with the cpu xD
i oreder i new one
noctoua nh12

sry
me english is not perfect 😅 😅

[fervent granite]

aren't those fans enough though?

[latent drum]

Whats your CPU

[wheat briar]

i5 9400f

they are enough but i still get 80° after only 1hour of playing gta
on normal settings

i play on the backyard to get nice cool cpu while playing gta online and voice chat with ppl without any worry about the cpu and without the stupid fan noice

[jovial tide]

Just put a better cooler on it

You might find it hard to believe but the 20$ Thermaltake UX100 works for me

[latent drum]

You sure the cooler is installed correctly?

Or case ventilation

[frank fern]

You’re kidding right

[jovial tide]

Nope I'm not

[frank fern]

I didn’t know anyone actually bought ux100’s

Learn something new everyday

[jovial tide]

It's easy for you to say it doesn't work but you don't even have it 🤷‍♂️

While I have it with your favorite cpu 10400F

[frank fern]

Stock cooler is better than ux100

[jovial tide]

Came with my prebuilt works perfectly

Nope

[frank fern]

Yeah you’re right

[jovial tide]

30 degrees idle 60 to 65 full load after minutes

[frank fern]

Ok

[latent drum]

Thats like?
The stock cooler

[latent drum]

Gam400 v2 is way better than this alibaba garbage

[latent drum]

Best cooler out there for ryzen 5000 and intel 11th gen

[jovial tide]

Hell yeah, Corsair 5000 Extreme edition

[fervent granite]

If we took out the rgb then it'd be good

[iron lantern]

too bad it only last for half a year

[jovial tide]

I really doubt intel 12 and ryzen 6000 will be much better

like DDR 5 - double frequency, but really what absolute timings?

[lost fossil]

you mean what in the absolute fuck are those timings?

[jovial tide]

yeah, like they can push the frequency up but will it be actually considerably faster?

the only thing I see coming out of this is more efficiency, because of intel 12th power states, not much more.

[iron lantern]

i dont see a reason to get ddr5 right now

theres still some major improvements to be worked on for people to actually purchase it

[cold elbow]

They will probably make ddr4 and ddr5 boards
For now, ddr5 isn't that useful for most of us
Only if you're a content creator since it offers more bandwidth and storage density.

And yeah ecc

[lost fossil]

ddr5 has the same socket but pinout is different

i heard that shilltel will have support for both in the upcoming generation

[cold elbow]

Yeah some leaks already there

[brave field]

Hopefully they handle things similar to how they did with Skylake

Support both generations of ram and let board partners make whatever weird boards they like

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M Combo-G/index.asp

[jovial tide]

The pc (screenshot)

Or this laptop:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B097R4KTX4

[cold elbow]

idk what that pc is or that laptop is

but get the desktop

fuck laptops

[fervent granite]

aside from the bulkiness this is a dealbraker

[brave field]

numpad

[fervent granite]

fr what even is that num pad

trackpad isn't centred too and it doesn't look very big

[civic cloud]

doesnt make sense to have a centered trackpad

sinc ethats where your hands will be, off center

[arctic yarrow]

It looks like this laptop was made for left-handed people.

[jovial tide]

I feel like I can get better for cheaper with the laptop @cold elbow, that's why

It's out of that laptop and this one
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/gaming/pc-gaming/gaming-laptops/gigabyte-g5-15-6-gaming-laptop-intel-core-i5-rtx-3050-ti-512-gb-ssd-10230846-pdt.html

[iron lantern]

3050 ti...

so a 2060 disguised as a 30 series card

[vapid grove]

Not even

Isn't 3050ti like equivalent to a 1660

[cold elbow]

not just that

it's a mobil card so it sucks even more lmao

[jovial tide]

https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=SLAPASUFX516P31169B

What about this then?

[junior flax]

help

idk whats happening

when i click to shut down my pc

it wont

[brave field]

Download HWiNFO64 to check
make sure you're launching the games in borderless or windowed, too

that picture is strange

Does it happen in other OSes/a different Windows install?

or with a different driver version?

[latent drum]

DVI?

[jovial tide]

Try with other cables, apparently if it's the same you need to RMA your GPU

First thing that comes to mind is cable, if it's not the cable it's usually GPU

[iron lantern]

So 3 days ago, Corsair annouced its lcd display for their AIO block, but the pricing is a bit off...
The LCD pump has a pricing of 99.99, but if u just get the non-lcd version at 360mm, which is 166.99 currently cheapest, it costs a total of 266.98, taxes not included.
Keep in mind the LCD can easily be switched around with the existing pump on the 360mm.
Yet with everything included, LCD pump and the 360mm radiator, its at 289.99, taxes not included...
Is corsair trying to keep their sales for non-lcd version?

[latent drum]

in 2019 if you told me DLSS will be in so many games that GTA SA gonna have it i would have called you a mfing liar lmao

money

[strong saffron]

What is that laminated paper-y thing in a keyboard that goes under the keys called? And is it okay to clean it?
Edit; it's called a membrane

[jovial tide]

https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail/?id=SLAPCLEPC50DF1410A

Is this good?

[junior flax]

@brave field

Srry for ping but i have problem

My pc wont shut down

I have to hold power button for 3secs

[brave field]

PC won't shut down when? From the power menu option in Windows? If so, I have no clue what may fix that

If its just by tapping the power button, there's a setting accessible by pressing start and typing "change what power button does" or something similar @junior flax

Some UEFIs also have a setting that suppresses an OS' ability to start a full shutdown

[junior flax]

no

i try alt f4

i try shutdown with cmd prompt

i try press power button

[brave field]

Weird

Does it occur in other OSes, the Windows installer, or other Windows installs?

[junior flax]

idk

i think i updated windows

and it started doing this

i literally have to like hold down power button 5 secs to completely shut off

but i dont think thats healthy for my pc

[brave field]

You should test to narrow down possible issues. If it works in a Windows install USB but not your specific install, you rule out it being some hardware or a UEFI setting.

An update rollback might help once you know for sure that its just your install being weird

[junior flax]

mhm

[brave field]

Take a look in event viewer too. It logs when schedules shutdowns are interrupted

[junior flax]

i hate windows

past 4 days

i tried shutting down

not worked

now i try and fix

it shuts down fine

i stg

sorry for wasting ur time cookie

[fervent granite]

you should try out linux then

[jovial tide]

Mozzie's windows image is damaged

[fervent granite]

as in the windows installation iso?

[jovial tide]

As in corrupted windows files you can fix

Dism and sfc

[fervent granite]

a clean install would do the trick

[twin osprey]

can anyone help me with the rockstar games launcher ?

[cold elbow]

#gta-questions @twin osprey

or #gta-tech-support

[latent drum]

bruhs

[brave field]

oh yes

ooooohhhhh yesssss

Looks stupid good. Hopefully they undercut AMD in price and beat them in price/performance for another year.

Link?

[latent drum]

https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i5-12600k-alder-lake-cpu-benchmark-50-higher-multi-threaded-performance-versus-amd-ryzen-5-5600x/

[brave field]

thanks friend

[latent drum]

its my duty as the only cum bender

[cold elbow]

and amd be like.... finally it's time to release 6000 gen

[latent drum]

sadly its not ready

[brave field]

Ryzen 5 6600X with a $350 MSRP, maybe

[latent drum]

AMD having a shit time making their CPUs work with DDR5

[brave field]

with no Ryzen 3's or non-X variants in sight

[cold elbow]

amd making huge profits now that they dont want to reduce their prices

they are selling everything anyways

they might as well release another XT batch lol

[latent drum]

it wont beat Intel 12th gen

they will most likey release Ryzen 6000 with extra cache thats it

[cold elbow]

amd already said that 6th will be 20% faster lol

[latent drum]

by the time AMD on DDR5 intel will be preparing to launch 13th gen with double the E cores , intel have the time advantage and the superior memory controller here

[cold elbow]

and superior power draw

[latent drum]

well yes but no

[brave field]

Has Intel detailed specifics about the lower power cores in Alder Lake? Will programs be able to request using the E cores instead of P? Does the ITD/OS scheduler have ALL the say?

[cold elbow]

windows are it's scheduler always been a huge pile of shit

[jovial tide]

Add me on PlayStation FROSTRAGS

[cold elbow]

ok

[latent drum]

it seems good
the I5 doing all of this shows the little cores arent bad

i think they are about as strong as 6th gen

[cold elbow]

and cheaper and needs less power and cheaper boards and coolers
it's the same game all over again.

[brave field]

If users or individual programs can't determine what they run on, it would be annoying for the OS to decide to run something like a text editor on a P core just because its in the foreground

The issues the default Windows and Linux schedulers both have right now with Electron apps suck. I hope Alder Lake handles it all well.

[cold elbow]

optimizing multi-GPU on laptops took years to be close to fucntional

[brave field]

Things have been decent in the phone/tablet space, though usually only one set of cores is being productive.

[latent drum]

does anyone on PC care about power consumption?

[brave field]

No, but they should

[latent drum]

i dont see a reason

unless you are getting your electricity from an active gasoline power supply

[brave field]

Its not that we should care about it just for power bills and heat output

The benefits of all the factory overvolting are tiny though, really

[cold elbow]

i do

electricity is expensive in a lot of places yknow

and it gets u to decide your PSU, cooler and mobo VRMs

even your case

[latent drum]

oh no , my RGB fans are sucking 2 extra watts

[brave field]

Instead of having to undervolt and set a cTDP for a quieter and cooler system, let the people who want to double their power consumption for 5% performance have to put in the work to achieve that

[cold elbow]

oh no my 360 AIO is not enough i need to buy a car rad to keep this cpu cool

[latent drum]

they dont have to do much with undervolt

because it wont apply to everytchip

[cold elbow]

also server farms cares a LOT about power

[latent drum]

i think most chips already comes as much optimized as it should

you as a user if you want performance then dont complain at which uses more power

[brave field]

and consider how many are already on systems more performant than they really need, like the huge majority of Dell and HP customers, who are only visiting websites. Why should they use a 65/95W CPU when the -T SKU consumes 35W and is just as capable for their use case?

[latent drum]

boosts

intel cpus are weird power wise

they arent relevant to power = temps = performance

i dont know how they do it
but they can suck more about double the power of AMD cpus and stay at the same temp as AMD
i think intel transistors are way more efficient than TSMC and have less leaks

also architecture wise

ampere is hot because it wasnt meant for gaming , it was a computing architecture from the start
Like GCN

[jovial tide]

I still have my doubts about new generation computers

Lots of marketing, then it usually comes out 5-10%

[brave field]

I guess the issue is to me is less about whether it matters, but more about if its necessary to keep raising power use

[jovial tide]

Hi Cookie

[brave field]

Everyone benefits from lower power use but gamers

its one, tiny segment of computer users. Hardly anyone will notice lower than expected power use, and everyone (but a few) will notice significantly higher than necessary power use
hello arash

[latent drum]

it also depends , 65W does way much that it did back in the day

[civic cloud]

Did you just beat the laws of thermodynamics?

[latent drum]

75W was the standard back in the day too , now its 65W
i think when comparing mid range to normal , there should be a line

[cold elbow]

hey

[latent drum]

a 12400F would do everything you need it to do very fast at low power

[civic cloud]

OwO"

[brave field]

when back in the day?

[latent drum]

no , it isnt a simple power in = heat out

most PCs would have melted lol

[latent drum]

2005 - 2012

[brave field]

In 1999-2002 Intel went from 15W Pentium 3s to 60W Pentium 4s

different situation, yes, but really doesn't feel like a good increase in efficiency over the years when comparing how they performed

[latent drum]

people just didnt care about "power consumption"
it ran better at same heat = brrrr

"150W pentiums"

[jovial tide]

So they say 65 watts then it turbos to 200

Is it really 65 watts?

[latent drum]

i think AMD and Intel have an over head on the 65W SKUs to 80W

[brave field]

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/white-paper/resources-xeon-measuring-processor-power-paper.pdf
Old, but still in use.

[latent drum]

Intel CPUs performs like Nvidia GPUs
if they have more power , they will use it until certain temp or hard limit

unless limited by the user

[cold elbow]

amd cpus does the same

[jovial tide]

Well yeah that happens, like my 10400F has a boost power limit of like 110 I believe, then the board modifies that to 200

If you install XTU you can view those limits in Windows

[latent drum]

AMD cpus stick to certain wattage unless forced by the user

[cold elbow]

nope

[latent drum]

thats why they are mostly not great overlockers "mostly"

[jovial tide]

Well it's not overclocking, it's boost

[cold elbow]

read about PBO

:D

[jovial tide]

Like how fast your clock goes up has nothing to do with how high it goes

[civic cloud]

Id rather read about you 😳

[jovial tide]

It's actually a good method to fix some laptops overheating

Power limiting to a sweet spot number so you get balance of power and thermal throttling

[brave field]

Before PBO/PBO2e, AMD's TDP measurements were pretty fair. "This is what the CPU generally runs at under what we believe is normal use."

[latent drum]

AMD PBO is a thing you need to enable and is software managed right? as far as i remember

[cold elbow]

nope

[jovial tide]

It's like intel turbo boost

[cold elbow]

it comes enabled but u can increase the values by software or BIOS

some boards with beefy VRMs comes with higher values

[jovial tide]

Kind of funny how it works

[cold elbow]

they OC higher

[latent drum]

i know how it works , i used it before

i just remember it doesnt come enabled

[cold elbow]

they are not a great overclockers becasue PBO does everything

[latent drum]

or they come from the factory max buffed

[cold elbow]

just like how some intel boards comes limited

[latent drum]

its the same reason intel have locked CPUs
they dont want another Sky"lack" disaster

[cold elbow]

and u have to enable few stuff

[latent drum]

people causally running their 6500/6400 at 4.5 to 4.9ghz up from 3ghz
intel :

[cold elbow]

i remember overclocking my 1600 from 3.4 to 4ghz on stock cooler

[latent drum]

it was the reason intel limited the Bus to 103 max

if the 10400F was unlocked it would run on 5ghz all core easily

i never liked ryzen 1000
i thought it was another FX scheme lmao
i wasnt convinced until ryzen 3000

the reason right now iam sticking to intel is mostly because they are the better budget option now

[cold elbow]

when a company comes with a new architecture it should be modular for lot of use cases mainly servers.... your zen 2 cores will be on everything from consoles to servers and most of these needs efficiency...

[latent drum]

if the 12400F is under 200$
AMD ryzen 5 is mostly dead for 5 and 6th gen

[brave field]

More than mostly

entirely, outside of r/pcmr where the brand name means more than price/performance

[latent drum]

Ryzen 5 is at Scheisse levels or pricing right now

[cold elbow]

because

there are no competition

they are selling them anyways

[latent drum]

or mostly mindset

[cold elbow]

AMD already moved to a new stepping that allows them to make them cheaper

but they wont reduce the price

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i dont see a reason to buy the 3600 at 230$
when the 10400F is at 150$

[cold elbow]

i explained why but you only hear yourself

[latent drum]

but the 10400F is the competition?

[brave field]

The "they are selling them anyways" part is all that matters, both for 5600x and 3600 really

[latent drum]

and people are buying them anyways

[jovial tide]

who buys 3600 at 230?

[cold elbow]

i gave more reasons like two days ago but he ignored them

[latent drum]

make any computer part
say we have limited stock
become the president of the usa

[jovial tide]

lol

[cold elbow]

i bought my 3600X for 200$ like two years ago

[latent drum]

oh yes , the last year of human hope

[jovial tide]

I think just after new gen release its time to buy 5800x + B550

[cold elbow]

i explained to you that prices depends on where you live

and 10400F does not support OC or high speed ram
and it's sitting on a dead platform....

[latent drum]

well mostly and ofc yes
but there are also general global demand for some products like the 3600

[cold elbow]

i would pick the 3600 anyday for the reasns i stated above

add to them pcie gen 4

[latent drum]

every platform is dead rn
all of next gen are DDR5

[cold elbow]

next gen will support ddr4

[latent drum]

for intel yes
idk for AMD

[cold elbow]

amd as well

[latent drum]

Its easy on intel
with AMD its quite complicated because infinity fabric
thats the reason they are staying on DDR4 for another refresh

[cold elbow]

and do u even know that b550 will support 6th gen which is already ddr4?

plus x570

[latent drum]

6th gen is mostly a refresh with extra cache

[cold elbow]

so

intel been doing that for years

[latent drum]

it can be quite helpful at gaming
but for the general performance itwont have a big effect like for say 5th gen from 3rd gen or 5th gen to 7th gen

[cold elbow]

still someone with 3600+b550 will be able to upgrade to 6th gen

intel on the other hand lmao

upgrade to a waste of sand cpus

[latent drum]

yes ofc
but is it worth it?
at least for me , by the time i see a cpu is old its been already 4 years

[cold elbow]

u think upgrade from 3rd to 6th wont be worth it?

even to 5th is hella worth it

not like intel's 11th gen lol

[latent drum]

i dont think its worth to buy anything right now

[cold elbow]

rn if i get to choose between 10400f and 3600 i would take the 3600 even if it cost more

[latent drum]

thats because?

[cold elbow]

im out

bye

[latent drum]

you like having the option , yes

i have no problem with that

i would probably stick with the cheaper option
depends on your country , like in west south asia , the 3600 is cheaper
its not because of having the option "for me" its because by the time i would want to really upgrade , the current platform would be dead

unless you have a filler CPU to run your PC while the one you want come in stock , both 3600 and 10400F will most likely be enough for the next 3 years or so

[jovial tide]

I agree with Ms. Melon

[latent drum]

it depends on who you are really

its really a comparison between 2 CPUs that performs the same

like exactly

[civic cloud]

@lost fossil PC is much quiter and cooler with new fans now uwu

CPU not over 65^C and GPU just below 60

in RDR2 on 1440p

locked 72fps

[latent drum]

i just dont think 6th gen is more of a competition to 12th gen rather than "something to buy on the market until our true DDR5 platform is ready"

[latent drum]

case fans?

[jovial tide]

So on 3600 vs 10400F:

1-You will find better prebuilt deals with 10400F while you can build better computers at a decent price with 3600

2-10400F is locked which is really annoying, and there's no way of doing anything with it on most boards (like in my B560M-A AC I can't even set BCLK) while 3600 is unlocked

3-After release of these new computers everything older gen will suddenly drop (at least temporarily I guess for a month) so it's more value to buy high end 3600, 5600g, 5600x, 5800, 11600kf and so on computers instead of 12th gen intel and 6000 amd cpus.

[latent drum]

depends on where you live
but i think the 3600 is normal Europe

i dont think older gen will drop , likely to high demand

[brave field]

After release of these new computers everything older gen will suddenly drop
Sauce?

[jovial tide]

Oh trust me it'll drop, companies will just wanna get rid of their old stock.

[latent drum]

no

in the current state of the market it wont