tech-coding-math

[cursive epoch]

Amd makes good apus

Or be like me

Spend too much on gpus

[jovial tide]

Tee I really think 1050ti + 3600 is the way to go

[vernal bloom]

Okey cool

@jovial tide

[cursive epoch]

1050ti and 3600 is a very good combo imo

[jovial tide]

So look for CPU Ryzen 5 3600

Graphics card Nvidia Geforce GTX 1050TI

[kindred temple]

But yeah, go all used and buy the parts separately.

Pretty much the only route here.

Also, if 1050Ti isnt available at your budget range, consider their workstation counterpart

The Quadro P2000

[cursive epoch]

You can get a good 60 fps at ultra settings

[kindred temple]

Or K4000

[vernal bloom]

Wat about monitor does it matter which one

[kindred temple]

Wait no

M4000

[kindred temple]

Up to you.

[jovial tide]

do you already have a monitor with HDMI ports?

[kindred temple]

Personally always start with a good valued one with the basics

[vernal bloom]

Yeah

[kindred temple]

Or

[jovial tide]

Well then ur fine for 1080p 60Hz

[kindred temple]

Do it like me and start with a TV.

[jovial tide]

😄

[vernal bloom]

😂

[kindred temple]

In all seriousness though, TV is the last thing you should use as a computer monitor.

The response times is sickness inducingly slow.

[jovial tide]

Slow response time

You'll question life, reality, and god using it lol

[vernal bloom]

Found this

[jovial tide]

specs please

[kindred temple]

Price too

Kinda given

Wait

[jovial tide]

Not full specs there there's a scroll

[kindred temple]

I see 3200G

Its good for now but its a ticking time bomb of obsolescence, more games are going to use 6 cores 12 threads and 4/8 will be very horrible to run

Hell, FH4 is already scaling to 8 cores 16 threads for peak perf.

[jovial tide]

3600 or I walk

[kindred temple]

Oh, thats cyberpower

They are US only iirc

No shipping to UK

[jovial tide]

interesting

you guys call refurbished renewed

[kindred temple]

They can be called anything as long as the seller says in a way that its a used product made new again, or was like new

[vernal bloom]

Anyone else sees these posts about get free nitro bs

[kindred temple]

Yes, best to ignore really.

[vernal bloom]

Cool

[kindred temple]

Unless if they did pass the filter in which case, @frank agate

[frank agate]

:exclamation:To contact the Moderators, please send me a Direct Message. Mentioning me does not alert the moderators.:exclamation:

[vernal bloom]

So what the cheap way is it to buy a pre-built PC or build one yourself

[kindred temple]

Build one yourself off your owned parts, and used parts

Thats the way to theoretically best value.

[vernal bloom]

I'm selling this one to my boy

[jovial tide]

Yeah look around buy the case, then motherboard, cpu etc

[vernal bloom]

And I will try to build one if I can

But but I've never build a PC before so God help me

[jovial tide]

So basically what you're looking at is CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 + Graphics Nvidia Geforce GTX 1050TI + 16 GB ram (preferably 2x8 dual channel) + 450W power supply (bronze is good enough I think) + 1TB hard disk drive western digital blue + B450 motherboard

and a case

It's just like doing legos but a little bit harder. you can definitely do it

[vernal bloom]

@jovial tide alright ty

How much will all these cost

[jovial tide]

These brand new cost 600

[vernal bloom]

Do I buy new or used ?

[jovial tide]

if you buy some parts second hand I think you can make it 400

[vernal bloom]

Okey cool

[jovial tide]

Power supply + GPU + motherboard + hard disk I suggest brand new

[vernal bloom]

What about motherboard which one I do I buy

Or it doesn't matter

[jovial tide]

B450 is the minimum you can buy

[vernal bloom]

Ok

[jovial tide]

new is best

[vernal bloom]

And cooling ?

[jovial tide]

the CPU already has cooling

[vernal bloom]

Oh okey

[jovial tide]

which is good enough but afterwards if it wasn't enough you can also put a bigger one on it

[vernal bloom]

Let me look up on these things then get money and buy all these then I'll get back to u guys

Maybe in 2,3,4,5 months😂

[jovial tide]

its fine

[vernal bloom]

Do i need special tools to build it

Because i only have basic tools like spanner, bolts, those types of things

[jovial tide]

basic tools

[kindred temple]

Lel, you dont need those

Just your basic screwdriver

Magnetic would be better, but ive build with non magnetics

And also any way to pry things.

Flathead screwdrivers, earwax cleaner, tweezer

Hell, ive pried things with nail clippers

[vernal bloom]

Im looking at the rams

@jovial tide

Its just 1 stick right ?

@jovial tide found this

[jovial tide]

how much

also look for 3200

mhz

[cursive epoch]

Dont get 1 stick

it make pc slow

get dual channel

[vernal bloom]

Yeah

[cursive epoch]

bigger bandwith

[vernal bloom]

@cursive epoch did u use any special tools

[cursive epoch]

What sort?

[jovial tide]

It's really not that hard to do

You just need a couple of screwdrivers

[kindred temple]

#2 philips, always by my side

[jovial tide]

Omg Claire ur awesome 😄

[hearty stirrup]

What to even do if u wanna upgrade pc parts i tried listing old ones in local selling app and no luck

[kindred temple]

Well give em good deal.

I always sell at 50-65% of the MSRP, unless if its really really new.

[hearty stirrup]

On a 3200g rn but it cant handle ps3 emulation that well maybe ill upgrade after awhile

Cpus i get 2nd hand but u just gotta throw out the ram i would guess?

[kindred temple]

No?

[hearty stirrup]

Its like 60$ do people buy that used

[kindred temple]

Depends on what you got. For this generation of RAM, 2x8 3200 is the sweet spot

[kindred temple]

At 30-45$ yes.

[hearty stirrup]

Got stuck with a 2666hz 2x8 im dumb

[kindred temple]

[hearty stirrup]

How much performance am i losing since its an amd cpu

[kindred temple]

Depends on the game scenario. But on average? 5-15fps is the ballpark

[hearty stirrup]

Rarely hit 12/16 when playing valhalla but yeah its avg 45 on high 1080p

Gpu is the biggest L for me since popular cards like 1650 and 1050ti were double msrp i got rx570 for their price

[jovial tide]

RX570 should be good enough

[hearty stirrup]

Amd gpus dont like openglu apparently and Minecraft runs like shit once i add stuff

[jovial tide]

I'm not sure if you have the right drivers installed

[hearty stirrup]

Updated today using the radeon software

[jovial tide]

Or maybe there's a power plan problem

Whats ur performance like in GTA?

[hearty stirrup]

That runs fine on ultra 60 fps

Its just Minecraft

[jovial tide]

You got shaders on it?

[hearty stirrup]

Yeah shaders and mods

[jovial tide]

That's why then

It's probably not your card giving u crappy performance there

it's the fact that those mods+shaders max ur CPU

[hearty stirrup]

Ik that causes them but nvidia cards on that level run fine

[jovial tide]

You can use WinKey+G to open Xbox overlay and see ur computer performance parameters

Nope

[fallow forge]

most gta mods and shaders make the game run better than base game tho

[jovial tide]

I bet if you put a 3090 on ur PC that still won't run fine

[jovial tide]

Minecraft bro

[fallow forge]

ohh i misread stuff

[jovial tide]

You have a huge CPU bottleneck for shaders/mods (minecraft)

[vapid grove]

charlatan moment

[brave field]

@hearty stirrup Does performance improve when you set mipmaps to 0/minimum?

Any mod with animated textures will have TERRIBLE performance on AMD GPUs if that isn't set. AMD's OpenGL implementation doesn't work with mipmaps very well

also helps performance in programs like blender, for a few people

[hearty stirrup]

Just been playing servers with texture packs recently haven't played with mods much

[brave field]

ah

[cursive epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/zotac-3080-gif-18549684

[rich perch]

lmao this is out of my brain function

[jovial tide]

Installing DriverPack Solution at the moment

I like to live my life dangerously 😈

[jovial tide]

that shit is susy

i never trust those third party driver installers

It is

But then when you have a shitty laptop there's no better option

It's impossible to find the right compatible drivers for laptops..

[jovial tide]

not totally impossible tho, if i cant find a specific driver I leave it to windows update

that's just crappy

way too old

yea too outdated , but better than nothing

[sweet rampart]

I wanted a 2nd opinion on this computer if I should get it because im not wanting to build a pc myself its 1300 for it

I saw it while scrolling and I thought it was perfect for what I wanted

[analog wharf]

yea windows update is pretty crappy it usually installs drivers a few months old sometimes a year old but it works every now and then

[jovial tide]

3 years old :/

[analog wharf]

lol true

[jovial tide]

If I wanted that I would have just gone to manufacturer's website

[analog wharf]

windows update is pretty much a last resort if you cant find the specific driver

almost always installs drivers that are old

[jovial tide]

well there's this https://www.avg.com/en-ww/avg-driver-updater#pc

[brave field]

AVG

[jovial tide]

At least not owned by some Russian Mafia

[sweet rampart]

True

[jovial tide]

like DriverPack Solution lol

[analog wharf]

driver packs just add more bloat imo

[brave field]

Searched the hardware ID from device manager in a browser?

[jovial tide]

The thing is this piece of crap driverpack installs lots of shitware on ur PC (not malware)

[brave field]

There might be some backup of the driver out there

[jovial tide]

Custom browser, searchbar, blablabla

[analog wharf]

windows update does install drivers few years old but aslong as its compatible, you can also get 98% percent of drivers/software from your manufacturers website

[jovial tide]

Let me show you something

This is cancer

[analog wharf]

driver packs are just pups i dont actually know who uses them except for grandmas and idiots

[jovial tide]

Duplicate drivers, some from god knows when, some old

[analog wharf]

ye

[jovial tide]

And i'm sure this make my PC dysfunctional

Intel system 1968

[analog wharf]

lmaoo

1968

then one from like 2016 its a mess

[brave field]

1968, how?!

Unix Epoch starts at 1970 exact!

[jovial tide]

Timestamp 0 is at 69*

[brave field]

Well, its aged like fine wine, its perfect!

[sweet rampart]

Hey cookie I have a question of what I should get as a pc

I saw one the other day and it doesnt seem bad for what it is

Its 1300

[brave field]

Which currency/country is this?

[sweet rampart]

Its what I want and really need

Us

[brave field]

Can definitely fit a better GPU and more storage into that budget but its not the worst

[analog wharf]

ehh 2060 is decent but i agree

[sweet rampart]

Yea I figured but its one of the better ones I have seen for a prebuilt

[analog wharf]

6 cores is all you need unless you run heavy workloads, 2060 is ok for gaming and 1TB SSD is pretty good. It's an SSD so depending on the ssd you should expect fast load times.

16gb ram is good, minimum for any heavy gaming nowadays

[sweet rampart]

Im not going to be heavy on my cpu so 6 cores is definitely okay

[brave field]

If a 3060ti FE or 3070 FE shows up on a stock notification site near MSRP or just slightly above, I'd try to get one and pair it with something like this, though (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bHK3nL)

but that prebuilt definitely helps you avoid the whole "watch stock notifications and order in 20 seconds or less" thing going on

[sweet rampart]

Yea I would love a 3060 but I would eventually upgrade to that

[analog wharf]

1300 isnt a bad price, prebuilts exist that are pretty expensive but have horrible hardware

[sweet rampart]

Yea

[brave field]

Dell has almost that exact prebuilt but at $1400 and with a 1660 Super

[sweet rampart]

Just making sure that I got a better one for what im willing to spend

I just looked at the parts u sent and yea if I got a 3060 in it though would I need a better powersupply or no?

[brave field]

Not for a 3060

A 3070 would be okay on it, but there's no harm in pushing to a 650W

[sweet rampart]

If only they were the price they said they would be

I would get one

[brave field]

[jovial tide]

I think today's prebuilts are better than your custom builds

The only problem is upgrading and repairing them in the future. high end pre built prices are better compared to customs.

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/desktops/new-alienware-aurora-r12-gaming-desktop/spd/alienware-aurora-r12-desktop/daar12_ls85e this for example

I wanna see you build something similar for cheaper

[analog wharf]

i mean theres still no stock so eh unless you wanna wait ages for the gpu alone not even the rest of the components then yea prebuilts are better rn but apart from that custom builts are king

[jovial tide]

prebuilts are kind of the same. 2 months for Alienware laptop to arrive at my home

still waiting for it

[civic cloud]

lol no, especially high end pre built put a nice extra on it

[jovial tide]

As I said Dyna I challenge you to make high end computer comparable to it in pcpartpicker

With lower price and same or more quality

Parts need to be available to buy

[civic cloud]

M8 if i can use msrp it will always be cheaper

[jovial tide]

Show me then

Prove your words don't just say it

[civic cloud]

You know that i like, need a pre built to copy?

[jovial tide]

there's a link above

Aurora R12

[civic cloud]

Dell uses Proprietary hardware for Motherboard and PSU

[jovial tide]

This is very clear

Powersupply can be 550 gold or 650 gold

price is 1217 eur - 1425 usd - 1038 gbp

[civic cloud]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HFx4cT

[jovial tide]

it's easy to say custom built computers are more affordable when you can't find a single 3060 in the market

[brave field]

CAD to CAD, dunno why 11400F doesn't exist (11400 and 10400F do, hm) Is this cheating?https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ChB2Jf

[jovial tide]

So it pretty much costs the same Cookie

[civic cloud]

My built is 60 bucks more expensive, which can easily be reduced by not buying a windows license and not buying a 3060 for over 800 dollars lmao

[jovial tide]

case is a bit cheap compared to active cooling dell

[civic cloud]

And it doesn't use proprietary hardware

[brave field]

Costs the same, but you are getting a better case with the custom build and you have upgrade options in the future

[jovial tide]

graphics card is nonexistent also

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/sM8bt6/zotac-geforce-rtx-3060-12-gb-gaming-twin-edge-oc-video-card-zt-a30600h-10m

[brave field]

That's in stock though?

[jovial tide]

yeah

click it

you can't buy it on amazon

[brave field]

Why not?

[jovial tide]

ur right

[brave field]

Very sorry for hijacking

[civic cloud]

Nice incognito mode 😏

[brave field]

It just seemed like an interesting challenge

[jovial tide]

So problem with Dyna's build is no active cooling cheap motherboard

[civic cloud]

Oh and it would be won with like 500 bucks difference without scalpers

What active cooling

You know every case comes with fans right?

[jovial tide]

Dell's proprietary has active cooling in case

Yeah but some just connect to PSU

[civic cloud]

🤨

Wat

What kind of argument is that

[jovial tide]

also cookie 11400f is out of stock

price is 250-300

the difference is F model has no integrated graphics

mow back to Dyna

Your list is still 1800 CAD

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HFx4cT

[civic cloud]

Have you heard about the concept of Clantags

[jovial tide]

Dude ur german name is hard to pronounce wtf

[civic cloud]

...you're typing it

[jovial tide]

How about Gaus?

[civic cloud]

This is a text chat

[jovial tide]

Still the same

[civic cloud]

20 CAD cheaper than the prebuilt, no proprietary crap and a better PSU

Challenge won

🤝

[jovial tide]

10 dollar cheaper

case is crappy, motherboard is inferior

[civic cloud]

Did you just imply a Dell case is better than anything else?

[jovial tide]

Nope but that case is cheap

[civic cloud]

The motherboard isn't even shown in the Dell

[civic cloud]

That

Doesn't tell you anything

Literally nothing

Except that it has 4 slots for ram

[jovial tide]

Also liquid cooling

[civic cloud]

BRUH

[jovial tide]

nah xd joking with you

[civic cloud]

[jovial tide]

yeah well you can buy for 10-20 dollars cheaper in the market and upgrade it later

while you can't really upgrade a prebuilt like dell much

[cold elbow]

https://youtu.be/Xts3pvbcFos

[jovial tide]

Bruh RTX 3060 for the price for like the best RTX 3080

[cold elbow]

Dont buy garbage from gigabyte

[brave field]

@jovial tideYup, but it fits in the requirements asked

[jovial tide]

1000$ rtx 3060 ripoff

[brave field]

very, very much so

arguably $330 3060 is a ripoff

MSRP is too high

[jovial tide]

It should be 300 flat

[cold elbow]

Most new cards has high msrp

[jovial tide]

Yeah

Anyways what's the point of the Ti cards?

[cold elbow]

Money grab

[jovial tide]

Yeah the RTX 3080 Ti is 1200 and the 3080 is 700 500 more for like 15% more performance

[plush spear]

alienware charges 1800$ but puts in a 20$ cooler and a dogshit power supply, case and motherboard

gamers nexus ripped the r10

[cold elbow]

R10 is a joke

A disgrace

An e waste

[fervent granite]

That makes sense though, it’s not like they’d price a computer spec by spec

[pallid ingot]

-_-

[zealous pasture]

[cursive epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/money-shutup-take-gif-7953571

[kindred temple]

[elder prism]

s

[cold elbow]

e

[kindred temple]

No

Stop

[jovial tide]

x

"when I'm paid, I always see the job through"
-Angel Eyes(Lee Van Cleef)

[swift bobcat]

Hamburger cummy balls

[jovial tide]

that sexy Alienware

:gasm

[jovial tide]

i has alienware

I'm buying Alienware ❤️

I actually bought a month ago still waiting for it to ship

we frens?❤️❤️❤️

No I dont have internet friends sorry 😄

ok

But we're Alienware gang

sure

horrible gpu

me hav

whats your gpu?

nvidia geforce RTX2060 SUPER

iz horrible

Why is it horrible?

its always using 100% just to play

You have RTX on or DLSS?

So it's best to use GeForce Experience optimize settings

idk

i want to use RTX

how me use?

I think you're already using it

no

im not

la graphics are bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZEhXXWIfjI

with rtx they should be good? right

open Geforce Experience

ok

now what

click on your games

optimise

ok

[wind forge]

This looks kinda cool

[smoky marsh]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[kindred temple]

Switch to Firefox

[brave field]

600mb of ram is fine when you consider that Chrome is an entire operating system!

[light totem]

firefox is pretty poggers

[zealous pasture]

bru it would prolly have shit specs or too pricey, which it always is

[pallid ingot]

:0

[broken estuary]

whats 238328x882929 its a test wit no cheating plz help me

[broken estuary]

thats like a alien ware pc WAIT WHAT IT IS A ALIENWARE PC

[zealous pasture]

yes

collab with ms

t10 and pg are basically ms

[broken estuary]

CrAzy i got a alien ware pc its kinda weak lo

[paper shoal]

suggest me some good monitors under 200 usd

144hz

[civic cloud]

Every GPU uses 100%

[civic cloud]

If you find a 144hz monitor for under 200 bucks it's either used or trash, so aim for 400 bucks 🤝

[river crane]

Hey

[agile siren]

No touching Gauss, its covid time. 🤝 🚫

[civic cloud]

Sorry Ajay, but there's no elbow emote, so I'll use 👋 from now on

[agile siren]

gud c:

[civic cloud]

c:

[kindred temple]

@civic cloudDynaaaaaaa

[civic cloud]

:(

[jovial tide]

God CC Cleaner's a piece of shit

[kindred temple]

Try Bulk Crap Uninstaller or Bleachbit

But imo bleachbit is even worse of an experience

[jovial tide]

I mean everytime it asks me to fix my computer, it deletes ALL my damn cookies in Edge :/

WTAF

Like who the f asked you to delete all of my cookies and log me out of everything?

[jovial tide]

bleachbit is shit on windows

[kindred temple]

yes

i know

Another good one is to use the one built into windows

also, windirstat

[jovial tide]

Hmmm whats built into windows

[jovial tide]

that also is slow af, it takes like 2 hours to remove 400mb of windows update cache

[kindred temple]

Disk Cleanup

[kindred temple]

Idk, its fast af for me

at worse, 5 mins

[jovial tide]

so disk cleanup isn't really comparable to cc cleaner

main reason people install CC Cleaner is registry

I put ccleaner in the trash since that infamous vulnerability of it

[strong saffron]

What does 'SVL' stand for in the context: 'SLV Header/SVL Injection'? It has something to do with networking/internet. Google isn't any help because it gets me SQL injection and software that can do SVL Injection(?)

[kindred temple]

But you dont need to delete blank registries

Unless if you got adwares.

[jovial tide]

no no Claire

currently i just manually delete temporary stuff like caches and shit

So for registry it's not just about deleting blanks

It looks for possible errors meaning some parts that dont fit other related parts

and changes them

it's like looking into a lego tower; hmmm this part doesn't seem to be fitting right let's change it to hmmm this part

if you wanna 'optimize' registry, there are way better options than ccleaner out there

although, on my current windows install, I haven't encountered any problems after like a year and half, without optimizing registry ever. just regular temp/cache removals

and its still working like the first day of install

[kindred temple]

"Hey guise how far can i overclock my ryzen"
The Board:

The PSU:

The cooler:

[jovial tide]

lol

[kindred temple]

[jovial tide]

320M is not bad though

[kindred temple]

Yes but you literally cant overclock in an A series chipset board

[jovial tide]

It's the bare minimum for Ryzen 3

But you still can put a 3200 (OC) ram on it

[kindred temple]

Yes you can turn on XMP

but thats all

[cold elbow]

U can put a 3950X on A320

[jovial tide]

Zen 2 basically

Anything Zen 2

[kindred temple]

Idk chief, the savings im just going to put on a CO2 fire extinguisher if i somehow do that

[cold elbow]

Not with that psu

U need a gigabyte one

[kindred temple]

Absolutely

[cold elbow]

You'll get an explosive performance gains

[jovial tide]

Put a 3950X or a threadripper on it yeah lol

[cold elbow]

I've seen the 3950x works just fine on it

[jovial tide]

like putting a lambo engine on this:

[cold elbow]

But unfortunately u cant use a threadripper

[cold elbow]

No it was even boosting normally

[jovial tide]

PCI-e 3

[jovial tide]

you sure?

yeah ur right

[cursive epoch]

I have sold my 3080 to

Ti

Goodbye to the old friend

[jovial tide]

how much?

[cursive epoch]

899

[jovial tide]

how muchc did u sell urs I meant

[cursive epoch]

Yeah

899

[jovial tide]

holy shit 😮

[cursive epoch]

I bought it for 2567

Didn't seen reasonable to scalp it

[jovial tide]

that's a 2k card

[cursive epoch]

Yep

[jovial tide]

that lucky mf

[cursive epoch]

Most thought its a scam

[cold elbow]

Nice google picture

[jovial tide]

Dude why the fk would somebody Google a 3080 and post it here and say hey I bought 3080ti?

What's the point?

[cold elbow]

[cursive epoch]

See this is one of the reasons

Most think it's googled

Therefore nobody buys

[jovial tide]

I see

[cold elbow]

One day they posted pics of phones claiming that they bought them

[jovial tide]

Maybe take better pictures with ur cellphone number on it

[cold elbow]

And u could easily reverse search them

[cursive epoch]

Good luck on these

[cold elbow]

Yeah u find a new undetectable source

Anyway

Im thinking of buying lian li 215

[cursive epoch]

Welcome to failure tech support how may I help

[cold elbow]

The case looks great

Good airflow

And cheap

[jovial tide]

oh my god that looks good

[cursive epoch]

Yeah it looks good

The mesh makes good airflow

[jovial tide]

dude! why you do that

[cursive epoch]

Sorry question failed

[jovial tide]

we are not 4 year olds

[cursive epoch]

Try another question

Tf

It's just a joke

You forgot I failed maths?

And just about every other subjects

[cold elbow]

I haven't been keeping up with gpu prices lately

Are they still going down?

[civic cloud]

Is that the one everyone has?

[cursive epoch]

I think yeah

[civic cloud]

nvm

[cursive epoch]

GPU prices still sky high here

[cold elbow]

U talk about the o11 dynamic?

[civic cloud]

Looks nice : )

Yeah

That one

[jovial tide]

dude it's so hard to find 3080-3090

[daring sparrow]

👀

[jovial tide]

but you can easily get 3070 and the ti for good prices

[civic cloud]

Imagine not having a 3080

[cold elbow]

No u cant

[jovial tide]

Also Pickle how much money do you wanna spend on the laptop? / wru living?

Gauss shut up

[cursive epoch]

A 3090 is 2,730 heee

Here

Average

[jovial tide]

Dude I bought my whole laptop with Quebec tax for 2500 Canadian$

Alienware M15 R6

[civic cloud]

Wasn't Quebec the french part of canada

[jovial tide]

It is

[civic cloud]

D:

[jovial tide]

Aren't you German?

[civic cloud]

Yes

[cursive epoch]

And I'm chinese

But I am bad at math

[jovial tide]

you live in China?

[cursive epoch]

Nope

I live in malaysia

[jovial tide]

why don't you ask family to buy you quality graphics cards and send it to you?

then you can resell to rest of the world at high prices

[cursive epoch]

?

China has good prices?

[jovial tide]

I think so

[cursive epoch]

Lemme check

https://shopping.pchome.com.tw/

This is Taiwan's pc store

[jovial tide]

So if you look at Alibaba prices for example

You'll see they are much different compared to others but, there's a but. you have to somehow quality check them

[cursive epoch]

Idk if Alibabas rtx cards can even be used

[jovial tide]

Well depends on the company right?

[cursive epoch]

So its

[jovial tide]

I mean it's kind of a like corporate ebay depends which company ur dealing with

[cursive epoch]

160000

For a 3090 build there

Which is

[jovial tide]

5700 USD

[cursive epoch]

Yep

GPU is

46900

Which is?

Arash help on this

[jovial tide]

Can you give me a link?

[daring sparrow]

Is it good?

[cursive epoch]

How much is it?

[jovial tide]

It's great yeah takes 2 months to produce and ship though

[cursive epoch]

Help on that rq

[jovial tide]

let me see

So you can google easily like Taiwan dollar to USD

[cursive epoch]

1685

[jovial tide]

1673

[cursive epoch]

Gigabyte 3090

[jovial tide]

much cheaper you see?

but there's a Chinese factor to it

[cursive epoch]

I remembered this very

Very sketchy 3090

From wish.com

For 15K

Usd

[jovial tide]

Wish is shit

[cursive epoch]

😂

[jovial tide]

But anyways you can find good prices in China + you can find China exclusive cards there

[cursive epoch]

Hmm

I should

Inport

Them

And sell

A little

Over

Msrp

Towards pc stores

[jovial tide]

Yes but first I suggest asking your family buy one and test over there if possible

Then if trusted import in bulk

[cursive epoch]

They not in Taiwan ahahaha

They all here

So I'm just gon eyeball it

And get 1 gpu

[jovial tide]

You can also call them 😄

I wish I could do that at times tbh

[cursive epoch]

49 USD for import fees

[daring sparrow]

And you can run every game on it

[jovial tide]

Yep 100%

[cursive epoch]

I need to get me a gaming laptop

[jovial tide]

What I ordered is 11800H + 3070 + 16 GB ram + 240Hz 15 inch monitor

[daring sparrow]

Was it the first link that you showed or the second one?

[jovial tide]

You can also connect it to a Gsync-Freesync monitor

[cursive epoch]

My laptop broked

What should I get now

[jovial tide]

with USB-C port and use it as a desktop alternative

[cursive epoch]

I'm looking at the Acer nitro 5

[pliant lynx]

all your pc keeps breaking

[jovial tide]

Its got built in USB C display port

[cursive epoch]

This one Its old

[pliant lynx]

i wonder if is a U problem

[jovial tide]

Acer's shit

[cursive epoch]

It's 4 years old

[cursive epoch]

It has a 1650 ti

[jovial tide]

I loved it until I bought it....

[cursive epoch]

10th gen i7

[jovial tide]

Buy something better I recommend Dell, Asus

[cursive epoch]

24 gigs of ram

[pliant lynx]

depends on what variant of nitro5 u get

[cursive epoch]

My current laptop is a asus

[pliant lynx]

nitro5 has alot of variants

[jovial tide]

A company that hard limits the fking CPU and puts a crappy fan on its laptops is shit

I absolutely hate my acer laptop

[cursive epoch]

This is why I should game on my laptop while skydiving

Maximum cooling

[jovial tide]

Wanna buy something amazing? Razer - Origin

:))

[cursive epoch]

Nah I am tryna save money now

I am kinda broke now

[jovial tide]

ok I gotta go

sell GPUs

[cursive epoch]

Yeah

But I can't buy new ones

A dude just bought the entire stock

So I'm gonna have to wait to get new stock

[daring sparrow]

@jovial tide last question 😆. Is your laptop pre build or did you chose the parts yourself

[jovial tide]

So let me ask you wru from? And how much do you want to spend on the laptop?

[fervent granite]

$1

[kindred temple]

Use the 1$ to pay a metal worker to make lockpicks

and steal em

[fervent granite]

[daring sparrow]

Belgium and something below 5k for a laptop

[jovial tide]

5k max budget? really?

[daring sparrow]

Is that not enough

[jovial tide]

Well in my view it's too much

But if you wanna buy a laptop up to 5k 100% buy originpc laptop

which has desktop grade cpu + graphics in it

https://www.originpc.com/gaming/laptops/new-eon17-x/

you can put a 11900K + 3080 16GB on it

• shipping box = 4600USD

This is as close as you can get to desktops with a laptop 👆

[eager tapir]

Is this a good cooler for keeping the cpu under 90 for gaming?
https://www.microcenter.com/product/617540/corsair-icue-h100i-rgb-pro-xt-240mm-water-cooling-kit

[daring sparrow]

How much would you suggest than for one?

[jovial tide]

Well it depends on what you expect from a computer

What games you play, what monitor size do you want, etc

[brave field]

@eager tapirWhat CPU are you using?

[jovial tide]

But just for GTA a 3060 - 3070 laptop with 10th gen i5-i7 or 11th gen i5-i7 would do

I suggest looking at some laptops in your local Belgian stores

[eager tapir]

amd ryzen 3600

[brave field]

The cooler that comes with the 3600 will keep it below 90C

[eager tapir]

I currnetly have a msi mag cooler 240m but its shit for gaming cuz temps raise to 94 when playing battlefront v

[jovial tide]

well you shouldn't have those high temps to begin with

remove and reapply thermal paste

[eager tapir]

alrerady done that\

[brave field]

Is the pump running in that MAG AIO?

[eager tapir]

ye

[jovial tide]

I think its active cooling is not working

Whats your mainboard Asus?

[eager tapir]

no msi b450 carbon max

[jovial tide]

You might wanna go to your mainboard fan software and check if primary fan is connected

Or it might just be this new fan doesn't support it

[eager tapir]

It does

[jovial tide]

Or or or , you might have connected the fan to second fan socket instead of primary

There's usually primary and then secondary fan on modern boards

[eager tapir]

I have 4 sys fans and then the 1 cpu1 and pump 1. all run but just fail to keep below 90 on high tier games

I've adjusted fan curve and rpm ect but I am positive its not the fans

[jovial tide]

So it's liquid

[eager tapir]

ye

[jovial tide]

I am 100% sure there is something wrong with your cooling control

No doubt

[eager tapir]

What would be wrong with it?

[jovial tide]

Logon with a cellphone

to discord go to bios

[eager tapir]

alr

[jovial tide]

go to fans page send me a screenshot

[eager tapir]

Which one do u want?

@jovial tide

[jovial tide]

looks good

and you have smart fan software installed on windows?

[eager tapir]

No I’m on bios rn

[jovial tide]

Whats your mainboard model?

[brave field]

Is this 90 degree temperature reading during gameplay in Celcius and not Farenheit, and coming from a program like HWiNFO64 or RyzenMaster and NOT HWMonitor?

[eager tapir]

Ye 90c

[brave field]

The program?

[eager tapir]

Dragon center

Which pulls it directly from the bios

[jovial tide]

https://ca.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-MAX-WIFI

[eager tapir]

Ye that one

I have manufactures warranty on the liquid cooler so my main move is gonna ship it off to MSI

And prob buy the Corsair one above to see if it changes anything

it was 1st on ign’s cpu cooler list

[jovial tide]

US or CA?

[eager tapir]

US

[jovial tide]

weird no carbon max wifi on US website

[eager tapir]

That’s odd

I bought it from a seller called the micro enter

[jovial tide]

anyways you wanna go here

https://ca.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-MAX-WIFI#down-utility

(canadian part of the website)

get the msi center for win 10 x64

[eager tapir]

So your suggesting I do what?

[jovial tide]

install it it'll have active fan control on window

s

then stress test your CPU

[eager tapir]

Ok

[daring sparrow]

More the fos shooters like cod and bf2042

[jovial tide]

You can run them on pretty much any laptop 60fps

Any new laptop with 10th or 11th gen cpu (i5 or i7) + 3060 min would run them easily

the price would be a lot more reasonable too

[sinful mantle]

Any pc experts?

I need help

[quartz kayak]

Change naem boi

[sinful mantle]

Nani

[quartz kayak]

!rule 7

[iron pecan]

GTA Online Discord - Rule 7

Nicknames must be able to be mentioned. Zalgo, emojis, and others are prohibited.

Requested By

@quartz kayak

[quartz kayak]

Just say here ur problem they ll help u eventually

[sinful mantle]

🗿

@quartz kayak does a 360mm cooler fits in mid tower case?

[quartz kayak]

Depends on the case

[sinful mantle]

I'll send u link

So my parts r

Intel optane 16gb
Samsung evo 970 1tb m.2 nvme
I9 10850k Avengers edition
G.skill 16gb ram RGB 5066mhz
Asus 360mm RGB

Motherboard z590 e 5333mhz

Oof can't send link F

[quartz kayak]

If u want send it to my dms

[sinful mantle]

Also a 2tb hhd

Hdd*

[quartz kayak]

I think on lian li only 120s fit

360 are too big

[sinful mantle]

In the link?@quartz kayak

[jovial tide]

Overkill PC 😄

[quartz kayak]

I think u d be fine with any lian li e-atx so u can choose

[sinful mantle]

@jovial tide Whut

@quartz kayak also one thing

I'm getting the razer x lian li

Should I get one more cooler 360mm ?

[quartz kayak]

No 360 mm

Only 120 mm

[sinful mantle]

2 120mm?

It needs more airlfow tho

[quartz kayak]

Yeah

[quartz kayak]

It can hold up to 11 120mm s

But bigger than 120 wouldnt fit

[sinful mantle]

Oh f that's sad

So then I'm getting

2 120mm?

How many do I need lol

[jovial tide]

What is 9+10

[quartz kayak]

9+10= 32

[jovial tide]

No no no it’s 21😏😈

[lost fossil]

13

[brave field]

910

[fervent granite]

ArithmeticException

[brave field]

Shadowarrior64!

How have you been?

[fervent granite]

Been doing alright cookie studios

That's my old gt though lmao

[brave field]

great to hear!

[rotund beacon]

Guys what’s 12x10 first o e to respond is Gay

[ionic venture]

Me want color pc many rainbow 2000$ light

[jovial tide]

Man I love this Xbox gamebar

Just look at it on top left

and here's expanded version

[lost fossil]

it's good that they added it to the built in windows feature but hwinfo/afterburner+rtss is better

[jovial tide]

Do we have hwinfo overlay in games?

[jovial tide]

win+g

that's not hwinfo though

[cold elbow]

Anyone knows what ram is this?

[kindred temple]

Patriot Viper Steel

From what it looks like, looks like a 4*8 kit or something.

[cold elbow]

Omg thank you very very much

I needed to know them for their dimensions

[dense pivot]

Just got his laptop and wondering if it could run gta v rp?
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-10210U CPU @ 1.60GHz 2.11 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.78 GB usable)
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor

[jovial tide]

Hi there

@dense pivot I'm going to show you a comparison between your CPU and mine https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8250U-vs-Intel-Core-i5-10210U/m338266vsm819403

Also what is the GPU for it?

[cold elbow]

You can probably run it on dogshit settings

[arctic yarrow]

Don't use userbenchmark. They skew their results to artificially favor low core count cpus and Intel. Their own tool even bashes AMD and calls their fans "an army of shills".

[jovial tide]

Same old bullshit

I'm comparing 8250u and 10210U

wtf are u on about?

[arctic yarrow]

https://thinkcomputers.org/userbenchmark-biased-component-rating-drama/

[strong saffron]

That CPU is fine for GTA

[arctic yarrow]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/66768/userbenchmark-adjusting-cpu-rankings-pandering-intel/index.html

[cold elbow]

Shit sites

[arctic yarrow]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/userbenchmark-benchmark-change-criticism-amd-intel,40032.html

[kindred temple]

Their system of popularity pretty much gonna grant one the win just because more user uses the CPU, in the case of similar performing CPU.

[jovial tide]

I'm comparing a fricking Intel CPU to another similar intel CPU

[cold elbow]

By a shit site

[kindred temple]

[cold elbow]

That doesn't make any sense

[jovial tide]

Idk man you're all weird

[cold elbow]

Yes

[jovial tide]

Difference between 8250u and 10210u is in fact ~10%

[cold elbow]

False

[jovial tide]

?!

Proof?

[cold elbow]

Bestsourceever.com

If i ask you the same you will bring userbenchmark site

[jovial tide]

At least it shows something

You're saying "no false"

[cold elbow]

A false something is worse than nothing

[kindred temple]

^

[jovial tide]

Jesus christ man

Some people...

[cold elbow]

Just

Dont use that site

[jovial tide]

How about you go benchmarkk shit and make your own site? or give me an alternative?

[cold elbow]

Or show it anyways because you will spread the cancer

[jovial tide]

Or just stop bullshitting here

I love userbenchmark

[kindred temple]

Well ill give ya one:
Actually doing the research.

[jovial tide]

Show me another reputable site that says difference is not ~10%

Right now or stfu

[kindred temple]

[jovial tide]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807289141875572766/873152551191711754/868465352206598194.gif

I wasn't @ you dear Claire

[civic cloud]

towoxic

[cold elbow]

[kindred temple]

If youre just using a fast reference site, you never gonna find an accurate performance representation.

period.

[jovial tide]

These 2-3 people are texting nonstop for a link that compares intel to intel

And they are saying UserBenchmark is biased towards intel 😮

[civic cloud]

I know, I can read

[jovial tide]

Like wtaf

[cold elbow]

We tried to explain why

[kindred temple]

You literally ignored my explanation.

[cold elbow]

But you don't seem to get it

[jovial tide]

If its biased towards intel. then intel vs intel should be accurate

[civic cloud]

Das Not how it works

[kindred temple]

No, thats not how irl works.

[jovial tide]

So as far as I understand users test their hardware (benchmark it) using their tool -> they gather test data and give people results on each model

That's why it's called UserBenchmark

[arctic yarrow]

They tweaked their benchmark tool to give lower core count and intel an advantage. That makes the benchmark show inaccurate results and fucks with even intel to intel comparisons.

[kindred temple]

They dont even do that

Their benchmark tool is so flawed

like no joke, change your resolution and your result will jump.

THEY LITERALLY DONT HAVE FIXED RES TEXTURE.

[jovial tide]

We're gonna do a little experiment here if you like

[cold elbow]

Isn't this a beauty?

[kindred temple]

Lancool

[jovial tide]

We can all download the benchmark tool here https://www.userbenchmark.com/Software

Then compare our results to the CPU/GPU page

[cold elbow]

Im not gonna download a blotware

[jovial tide]

How about that? 🙂

[kindred temple]

same

if we wanna play PC gapping

[jovial tide]

It doesn't install anything

[cold elbow]

I have better tools to benchmark

[kindred temple]

ill do it with a more competent benchmarker.

[jovial tide]

I cant trust those things either

[kindred temple]

I still got 3DMark installed, yall wanna play?

[cold elbow]

I have 3D mark account already

[kindred temple]

Shit, lezgo then

[arctic yarrow]

Lemme grab a coffee and boot up my pc first

[jovial tide]

It's the most popular benchmark website

[cold elbow]

I've beaten most of my similarly spec pcs

[kindred temple]

SEO optimization is always there.

[jovial tide]

Since 2011

[jovial tide]

they may not be malicious but im not willing to hand my info to random orgz

on top, it's not just SEO

you can say that about some random site that comes on top but it's just not that Claire

[cold elbow]

[kindred temple]

But it is?

Linus has been forever on the scene and his first time hearing it is in the time that the debacle starts.

Not many hears about them until skylake/kaby release.

[civic cloud]

not as much as you uwu

[kindred temple]

Ill pull out google trends here for you.

[jovial tide]

let's see

[cold elbow]

[jovial tide]

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/userbenchmark.com

[kindred temple]

This is literally the first time they even pop on search engine.

[kindred temple]

Alexa boosters exists and literally everyone runs it.

:WeirdChamp:

[cold elbow]

A lot of people use a site to determine if they have a bottleneck
It's very famous
And it's completely bullshit

[jovial tide]

well that shows nothing

my link

[cold elbow]

Same goes for userbenchmark

[kindred temple]

No shit

because bottleneck doesnt even exists in its theory because again

[cold elbow]

They compare cpus by frequency

[kindred temple]

a bottleneck-less PC is an infinitely fast PC

because there is nothing holding it back

[jovial tide]

true

top end pc's most of them, use only a portion of CPU/GPU

[cold elbow]

False

[jovial tide]

and yet all of these websites and channels test CPU on Max GPU usage and vice versa

[kindred temple]

Oh boy, the "100% usage is the only time GPU perform at its maximum" strawman

No.

[jovial tide]

Hmm interesting

[kindred temple]

100% is in fact BAD because that means the process is piled up

[jovial tide]

what about 85-98

[cold elbow]

100% cpu usage means stuttering

[jovial tide]

Also on this crappy laptop I'm always @ 100% util GPU with no problems

[kindred temple]

100% is only good for stress testing, and most PC games only uses 80 or even less, with the rest passed to the background

[cold elbow]

Saying "no problem" doesn't show us the full picture

[jovial tide]

The only problem is temperatures spiking tbh

Well I have to open GTA to show you

But it's at 100% GPU most of the time

[cold elbow]

You might be having low fps on the 1%

Yes u get high frames but what about frame time consistency

[jovial tide]

it's pretty consistent for the most part

Until there's a temp spike after like 10-15min it might stutter for 0.5 second

And that's because of Acer's crappy cooling design

[arctic yarrow]

@kindred temple

[kindred temple]

My Time Spy crashed :boohoo:

[cold elbow]

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/10143616

[kindred temple]

I think my score was 7331

and thats with my more aggressive 135/950 GPU OC

[arctic yarrow]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/65101867?

Yes, my GPU-CPU pairing is shit.

[cold elbow]

Well my gpu is keeping me behind

[kindred temple]

Im on 1660Ti so yeah

we are pretty much neck in neck

[cold elbow]

I should make a new test since i replace my ram and cpu cooler

[cold elbow]

Yeah that cpu must be painful in some games

[jovial tide]

3d mark's pretty good

[arctic yarrow]

I did recently upgrade my mopnitor to 1440p, so the CPU bottleneck isn't that much noticeable

[civic cloud]

Someone remind me to do that test on Wednesday

[arctic yarrow]

I notice my FPS remains about the same as it was on 1080p

[cold elbow]

Yeah

[kindred temple]

CeePeeOo bottleneck

[arctic yarrow]

But yeah, I'm considering changing to a 5th gen ryzen or newer in the near future.

Unless Intel starts stepping up their game.

[cold elbow]

Intel will need few years to get back in the game

[kindred temple]

I think the best way to run 3DMark would be in safe mode

Clean install and safe mode, but how would the user roll in the GPU driver?

[cold elbow]

Or in linux

[kindred temple]

I mean, Linux could do but

nvidia on linux

[cold elbow]

I don't do it to get the highest possible score

Just to compare my pc performance from time to time

When Microsoft fucks up or i do an upgrade

[kindred temple]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/65102348?

[arctic yarrow]

Why the fuck did windows 10 default my audio to the speakers on my monitor?

[cold elbow]

[cold elbow]

I usually disable these

[kindred temple]

My CPU 1K off

[civic cloud]

Happens every time I update my gpu drivers : (

[arctic yarrow]

Jesus, I disabled my speakers on my monitor and now windows is defaulting to the webcam speakers...

[cold elbow]

Btw u can easily raise that score

[kindred temple]

Oh, 3DM also saved my old OC score https://www.3dmark.com/spy/17808672

This isnt unstable anymore on RAGE based game so i go more conservative.

[arctic yarrow]

Oh god, now that I disabled that, it's now defaulting to my fucking PHONE using BLUETOOTH

[kindred temple]

Just so i dont crash every 10 seconds.

[civic cloud]

Nice

[arctic yarrow]

What the actual fuck windows?

[kindred temple]

Ayy, now you can use em like a fiio

[arctic yarrow]

Now it's using my headset.

[cold elbow]

Run gpu fans on 100% before starting the test and during it
Disable demo

[arctic yarrow]

Goddamn, you'd think M$ would stop fucking around with USER configured settings

[kindred temple]

Yeah i did it in here

[cold elbow]

69 is still a lot

[kindred temple]

G a l a x c o o l e r m e m e

[cold elbow]

F

Is it overclocked

[kindred temple]

.

[cold elbow]

What about power limit

[kindred temple]

I know a lot of bitches who can get their GDDR6 to 1000 but please stop flexing that

[kindred temple]

100/89

i mean