tech-coding-math

[jolly heath]

There's 3 cables for the CPU
One that's 8 pin and two that are 4pin

[lost obsidian]

are you sure you plugged the ram tightly? some rams needs quite the force

[brave field]

^Did they make a loud click when you pushed down on them?

[jolly heath]

Yeah they did

[lost obsidian]

look at the ram from the side with your phone and flashlight to see if you can see any pins out

you need to see NO pins when it's seated

check any cables for the case that aren't plugged in as well

your case is supposed to be bright as a caroussel, if nothing lights up, they aren't being powered

[jolly heath]

I'm checking it

[lost obsidian]

like a small cable on the backside you may have missed etc

cases have their own cables too

[jolly heath]

Can the problem be the GPU?

[lost obsidian]

you can remove the GPU and try

the PC can run without one, if it has an HDMI out, try it

plug the monitor directly to the motherboard's HDMI output

if the fan spins I wouldn't suspect it though, to be honest

but while you're there, what the hell lol

are all parts new?

[jolly heath]

Yeah all of them are new

There's these weird cables that I've never seen

[lost obsidian]

you got a 1060 new in 2021?

it's a 2016 card isn't it

[jolly heath]

No sorry the GPU isn't new

[lost obsidian]

if it's not new, then you may have bought a used miner card

they can be overused

[jolly heath]

Would that kill the whole pc?

[lost obsidian]

try without it and tell us what happened

[jolly heath]

I bought it from a trusted seller tho

[lost obsidian]

that's cool, just trying to find if any one part is faulty

[stone harbor]

mining is

i tried mining once

[jolly heath]

F miners

[stone harbor]

got like 0.0000067 dollars

for like 20 hours

[lost obsidian]

I don't hate miners I just hate the current situation with GPUs

please don't tell me you got scalped for that card

[jolly heath]

What does scalped mean

[lost obsidian]

To pay 10x the price

I've seen some shit on ebay

[jolly heath]

No no it costed like 200 dollars

[lost obsidian]

eh, still kinda pricey but ok

[arctic yarrow]

I see no problem with mining on a card you also use for gaming, but you're kinda a scumbag if you buy it only for mining.

[lost obsidian]

I understand the whole GPU thing

[lost obsidian]

they are fucking over us gamers

[jolly heath]

I think it's worth it if it wasn't used for mining

[arctic yarrow]

I had to enter into a fucking drawing to even have a chance to buy a 3060

[lost obsidian]

that sucks

not to win it, for a chance to BUY

lmao

reminds me of the mountain dew xbox

you had to buy a lot of that drink to get a chance to BUY a green xbox

[arctic yarrow]

I mean, I managed to snag one, with a ram kit i'll never use

[lost obsidian]

I hope you didn't get a leftover mining card

[jolly heath]

Rx 580 now costs like 700 bucks
Price of a brand new rtx 3070 before this whole thing happened

[arctic yarrow]

Especially fuck scalpers

Bastards buying up all the stock only to sell it for 3-4x MSRP

[jolly heath]

If this guy scammed I'ma kill his ass

[lost obsidian]

yeah 😩

LMAO don't kill the guy yet

let's figure out the problem first and assign blame later

have you tried removing the GPU and seeing if it boots?

[arctic yarrow]

Personally I would rather buy a card used for mining than a card used for gaming, because mining cards generally do not experience as much stress from thermal expansion and contraction.

[lost obsidian]

good point, but don't they stack these cards like sardines?

at mine farms I mean

[arctic yarrow]

Kinda, but as long as the card doesn't exceed 90 degrees C they should be fine.

You wear out graphics cards more with variable loads than consistent mining loads.

[lost obsidian]

I kind of feel bad for them, they were made to game

you're right though

[arctic yarrow]

I hate miners (not the gaming/mining hybrid people) solely because they buy up graphics card stocks.

[lost obsidian]

yeah they use bots as well

[arctic yarrow]

That being said, if I had a pick between used graphics cards where one was used solely for gaming and another used solely for mining, I would pick the mining card.

[lost obsidian]

bro your GPU isn't fully plugged in @jolly heath

[arctic yarrow]

Because gaming causes the GPU to experience variable loads, causing stress form thermal expansion and contraction, whereas a mining card is generally kept at a consistent temperature and undergoes less stress.

[lost obsidian]

I can see some of the pins on your picture

you haven't seated it 100%

[arctic yarrow]

O shit, that needs to be seated better

You could seriously fuck up your system.

[lost obsidian]

yeah definitely, or from a gamer that uses his PC for facebook

you know some people who get a 3000$ PC and use it for nothing

[brave field]

that GPU is indeed not in, yeah

[arctic yarrow]

Buys a 5950x and rtx3090, plays csgo exclusively

[lost obsidian]

man some rams are so hard to insert

why do they make them like that

[arctic yarrow]

It depends on the motherboard.

[jolly heath]

How should I install the GPU

[lost obsidian]

just push it all the way in, until it's flush

it's a beginner mistake

(says someone who didn't push his ram properly on his 3rd build)

[arctic yarrow]

@jolly heath Push the card into the pcie slot until the connection is flush, then screw the graphics card to the case.

[jolly heath]

Will do

It's depressing

[lost obsidian]

they make the process need like herculean strength

like you need to really give it a push

[arctic yarrow]

Well, I built a PC for my bro, which had an MSI b550 motherboard, and I was surprised how easily I clicked in the RAM on it

[lost obsidian]

yeah just push it in, but be careful as well, to not damage it

[arctic yarrow]

I was legit afraid the module would fall out.

[lost obsidian]

I guess it depends on the mobo

[jolly heath]

I can't screw the GPU that's why it looks like it's gonna fall

[arctic yarrow]

Meanwhile my z170 mobo required me to force the damn thing in so hard the motherboard box I put it on top of became permanently deformed.

[lost obsidian]

is there something in the way?

[arctic yarrow]

At the very least find a zip-tie, then buy this:
https://www.amazon.com/YATENG-Thumbscrews-Personality-Modification-beautification/dp/B07PFL6VXC/ref=asc_df_B07PFL6VXC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475789631743&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3309080492032548926&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029894&hvtargid=pla-1018468202331&psc=1

[lost obsidian]

damn I swear it's an asus thing

[arctic yarrow]

My z170 is MSI

I know, I'm using a pretty fuckin outdated mobo, but I got it for $20 from a friend so I figured I'd use it as a step up from my z68 with a 3770k

[lost obsidian]

they are sturdy though

[jolly heath]

Can this cable be the issue?

I can't find where to plug it

[lost obsidian]

no that was last used in the early 00s

[arctic yarrow]

Most modern systems don't use molex unless you're hooking it up to a fan controller.

[lost obsidian]

just plug your GPU card inside mate, you're good to go after that

[jolly heath]

I did plug it

[lost obsidian]

take a picture again

[rapid lake]

Get a 3090 to play a CPU dependent game

That CPU could run CSGO 120+ without the GPU

[jolly heath]

I can't install a screw I don't know why

[arctic yarrow]

Can we see a picture of the back of the case, and the top-left corner of the motherboard?

[lost obsidian]

still looks a bit askew, I wonder why it doesn't fit

have you removed the grill?

you're supposed to remove the grill that covers the case where the card is

[arctic yarrow]

Yeah, kinda looks like the expansion slot grill wasn't removed.

[lost obsidian]

yeah, no wonder it doesn't fit/ click properly

[jovial tide]

dude you gotta do some cable management

[lost obsidian]

you may need a screwdriver for that, or your hands

[arctic yarrow]

Let's worry about getting the pc working before we worry about cable management

[jovial tide]

ok

What’s the issue with it

[arctic yarrow]

From what I can gather, it won't post and the fans don't spin.

[jovial tide]

That could be multiple things probably

[jolly heath]

Don't mind the cable management it's not important rn
I just wanna get the pc running before I think about how it looks

[arctic yarrow]

By the back of the case, I mean where you plug the IO in.

[jovial tide]

After seeing that power supply imma suspect it’s that

[lost obsidian]

you need to remove the little metallic covers before you can seat the GPU properly

this metallic thing, it looks like you haven't removed the Case one

[jolly heath]

I think I'll take it to a professional

[lost obsidian]

the case has some metallic covers there, for bugs, etc not to get in

[jovial tide]

I’m going to bet that it’s some power supply issue

[lost obsidian]

but you remove them before installing the card

[jolly heath]

Yeah I understand
I removed it but I can only remove one cover

[lost obsidian]

otherwise the card won't fit

[arctic yarrow]

Some cases require you to pry the other covers off.

[lost obsidian]

remove two if needed

[jolly heath]

I can't remove 2

Wrong reply

[lost obsidian]

why not

just push it with a screwdriver

[arctic yarrow]

Some cases require you to break the dust covers off.

[jovial tide]

lol

if these troubleshooting measures don’t work take it to a pc shop and ask them to replace psu

that will probably fix

[lost obsidian]

his PSU has enough power for a car

I don't think that's it

[jovial tide]

Looks like a bomb though

[arctic yarrow]

I wouldn't worry about the PSU rn. Sure it's cheap, but not the most pressing factor.

[lost obsidian]

lmao yeah

I think the number 1 thing I plan on a new build is the psu, it's the 'food' of the PC

[jolly heath]

It's a brand new psu from a trusted company I don't think that's the problem

[arctic yarrow]

I wouldn't really call Xigmatek trusted.

But the PSU isn't my primary concern

[jolly heath]

It's popular in my area

[arctic yarrow]

I don't think the PSU is the issue with the PC right now.

[jolly heath]

Also seen reviews on it that say it's the best midrange case

[lost obsidian]

if the GPU and CPU fans work, I wouldn't worry about teh PSU now

the card needs to be seated properly, that's my guess

[arctic yarrow]

At least the PSU isn't Apevia. I lost an eyebrow from one of their PSUs.

[lost obsidian]

what happened?

[arctic yarrow]

flipped the switch on the psu and flames came out.

[jolly heath]

You know ima just take it to a computer shop and let them fix it

[lost obsidian]

alright man, hey at least we tried

[lost obsidian]

I think corsair is one of the best companies for PSUs

[jolly heath]

Yeah I wanted to build my first pc by myself but bad luck

[lost obsidian]

at least you will learn for your second build

[arctic yarrow]

I've had good luck with both corsair and EVGA

[lost obsidian]

the worst PSU I had was silverstone

kept meowing

they make good cases but not good psus

[arctic yarrow]

Silverstone is a bit of a coinflip. For compact builds it's decent, but I wouldn't trust the full size psus.

[lost obsidian]

my next build is going to be as airy as possible

[jovial tide]

Can someone help me sell

[lost obsidian]

maybe mid case

tired of no airflow

[arctic yarrow]

We don't generally do trading or selling here.

[stone harbor]

sell what

but most likely no

[jovial tide]

Sorry wrong chat

[lost obsidian]

selling bread? I'd like some

garlic bread

[stone harbor]

did you try applying new thermal paste

[jovial tide]

Msi agf would be a better unit

It’s 90 bucks on Amazon for a high quality 650 watt unit

nvm

[lost obsidian]

he has given up on it

he said he would take it to a pro

the case grills haven't been removed though (still worth a try)

[brave field]

Someone DID recommend a CMOS reset too, yeah?

[lost obsidian]

I don't think anyone did

[brave field]

WHA

[lost obsidian]

but the GPU is clearly floating in the air

[brave field]

ah I see

so this is a case issue, and he can't fit his GPU into the PCIe slot, hmm

[lost obsidian]

well if you see the first picture, the pins of the GPU were out

we told him to push it in, he said he did, but the GPU couldn't have been flush as it should when the grill is on

he said he removed one of the grills only and then gave up

[brave field]

@jolly heath Sorry for all the pings

[lost obsidian]

I don't see why he gave up, all it takes is a screwdriver

[brave field]

if your PC is still connected and all, can we try one last thing a bit later to make sure the other components still work?

Its still worth trying to boot with just the iGPU if this is a 10100 and not 10100f

if there's still problems, THEN there's more than just the GPU being a problem

[lost obsidian]

that's what I told him to do as well, he didn't do it

[brave field]

unfortunate

[lost obsidian]

you can only help someone so much

they have to do it themselves

[brave field]

@frosty vortex Do you host anything like an http/s server with ports open? If so, you use any sort of protections, like fail2ban? I opened a server on someone else's internet and there were immediate RCE attempts in access.log 😬

so no protections, but since its dockerized there's less risk to your host?

ah, you've mentioned SWAG a few times but I had no idea it did all that

Thanks man

I wanted to share one .zip file easily and immediately with the spiders and network researchers and wget/curl -ing .sh scripts and thinkphp RCE vulnerabilities trying to install debian packages and rm-rf on some netgear modem's config files

Thanks for all this knowledge

I'm going to learn and master using this SWAG thing

will do. thanks again 🙂

[frigid echo]

ah ya my notification came through. My 3060 shipped

huge upgrade from a 1060

[fervent granite]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-going-on-what-wat-idk-confused-gif-13898963

[silent mason]

I may end up having to contact you for help at some point for that sort of stuff. I'm gonna be running a game server on my secondary PC that people access via a browser, which everyone gets their own unique game ID on it... and I'll need to secure the heavens out of it.

It's either that, or paying for Azure/AWS/GCloud...

[fervent granite]

Them cloud services look real complicated

I've got a organisation account with azure and I really couldn't figure out how to use any of it

[silent mason]

Best bit is, because this is designed for streamers to host the games, I have to build in support for them to be able to add an AWS/Azure/GCloud/whatever other options exist server

And... said game will run on Windows only

[fervent granite]

Errors in jail

[silent mason]

so yeah, this is gonna be a PITA to do... I'm still peeved Mixer shut down because their MixPlay would have made this much easier to secure (as everything routed from the end user through Mixer servers, and then from Mixer to the streamer, meaning evildoers would have had to bypass Mixer)...

Gonna be spending a lot of time studying about 500 different APIs too... urgh

And I have do this all programmatically in C#...

and because of the clientele that will be hosting this... I have to make sure it's iron defence levels of secure... like so secure even the FBI would need about 10'000 hours to break through the security

[vapid grove]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FLGR2PN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_9FPKTKZM7M3MQXKH8A97

This is on sale for 296. Worth a buy or should I keep looking for a 1440 ultrawide?

Nvm,guess that's not really a deal per say

[brave field]

something good has come out of checking these logs

I've found my mother has somehow installed some undetected worm that's been trying to log into my FTP as "admin," "test," and "JohnSmith" for 2 hours. AVG that she swears by didn't find it but virustotal had a result

It started at 3PM after I went uninstalling things a found a "moviedownloader" app with no icon, something called 3u tools, Bonjour, Apple mobile device support, and some malwarebytes rogue

I have to protect from bots on the outside and family members on the inside, eugh

@frosty vortex Do you know how to have something like a dynamic whitelist? Is this what the reverse proxy you mention is good for?

I need to access something from two computers that will never change ip and are part of the same private network, and one thing from my phone, which changes its ip very often on mobile data, but need to keep out other systems on the private network as well

Should I even be worried about denying systems I don't want up-front if actual access is restricted with a good password? Am I overthinking looking at logs?

[tribal coral]

Which language you should learn as a beginner and is there any free source or site to learn it then please dm me.

[brave field]

The thing about third party services

the whole point of me trying this is to be as far away from having to depend on others as possible

and to not make more accounts for things

but those really might be the best options

[tribal coral]

Which language you should learn as a beginner? Also if there any free source or site to learn it then please dm me.

[brave field]

I have a hard time finding that balance between having actual ownership of your service and not neglecting years worth of improvements

[tribal coral]

Guys can I get a reply I exist in the chat too

😂

[brave field]

learn python, it does a lot of things and learning it is pretty nice
Java/Kotlin is okay to learn too but it can be annoying
Don't learn batch

[strong saffron]

Depends on what you want to do. You can learn the basics of most languages on YouTube.

[brave field]

I ordered a raspberry pi specifically to have a Linux-only system to do testing on, rather than a VM or WSL2 or a LiveUSB. Still working on wrapping my head around docker, but once I've got that I'll move my server PC over. Thanks again for all this help you've been giving

[tribal coral]

👍 Cool.

[brave field]

WOW that looks good

what happened to unraid just having terminal-style colored text on a black background?

Or is this just its externally-accessed web interface?

[silent mason]

How much RGB is too much RGB? There is no such thing. 😄

[brave field]

money

hm

That's really tempting

[fervent granite]

I'd be happy with a vpn and some streaming sites tbh, I haven't got the time, money or patience to setup a nas

[brave field]

I don't have money but Plex and something that runs Docker well enough for the FTP and HTTPS servers I want

FOSS alternatives to UnRAID seem to all be lacking that nice web ui

I'm going to look into this

deep into this

and probably cry when I have to make my own ugly web frontend to duct tape all the different services together

[plucky raft]

🙃

Some hardcore enginners here

[brave field]

ooooh

I like this

[plucky raft]

I started learning about computers and Internet a year ago when we finally got decent wifi in the village.

Thanks for the information

Yes

[silent mason]

A European village?

[plucky raft]

There was only slow mobile data

Because of online school the government finally reached to us

[silent mason]

I'm looking forward to really being able to #ChromaEverything

[plucky raft]

Poland

[silent mason]

So indeed European. Nice. Hello from an ex European.

[plucky raft]

Hello

[cold elbow]

Smh

Sleep

I just woke up

Cry

I have school yk

Class at 8

[silent mason]

But yeah, two Chroma Addressable RGB Controllers, and then figuring out what argb stuff to stick into it, so that my PC is the ultimate... ULTIMATE rainbow vomit machine.

[cold elbow]

Rgb in 2021

Not like u don't have school

Dont eww me

[silent mason]

Didn't you know, it makes your PC run 15% faster 😜

And it stacks the more RGB you stick in it.

[cold elbow]

What u skipped a semester? @frosty vortex

@silent mason im declining the idea of rgb nowadays because each company has its own shitty eco system

[brave field]

RGb software bad

do not touch

[strong saffron]

work experience lets you skip a semester? 👀

[cold elbow]

My motherboard rgb software is basically unusable

[silent mason]

AuraConnect for Asus Aura, and everything else shoved straight into Razer Chroma.

[brave field]

Gigabyte RGB Fusion - R: Reinstall Windows G: B:

[cold elbow]

@brave field it finally works with latest update

[silent mason]

Ridiculous Great Ballsacks

[cold elbow]

And it looks like garbage that a 12 yo made

[brave field]

reject company made software, embrace Python-OpenRGB and Raspberry Pi GPIO

[silent mason]

I like Razer Synapse

[cold elbow]

Also all these rgb Software are bloatware

OpenRGB suckssss

[silent mason]

I like the game integrations on Synapse

[cold elbow]

Doesn't fucking work

Best eco system u can use is icue

And slap a commander pro there

[silent mason]

I use all Razer peripherals... I want it to work with Synapse

[cold elbow]

I use Logitech

[silent mason]

Who blacklisted Razer?

[cold elbow]

Omar

Probably

[silent mason]

One of their products clearly is.

I think it was Tartarus

Because of the similarity to the racist word?

[silent mason]

Makes it a bugger when referring to the Razer product though. 😂

Might need an exception there for that one. Since it's an actual product name from a well known gaming peripherals company.

[cold elbow]

Didn't know that they even use a regex

Razer mice succ

[silent mason]

I love that N Trinity mouse.

[brave field]

that diagram was so useful

I'm going to dockerize RGB_server.py right now Omar

or maybe I should not have an eval() statement when I just need to get a string to convert into a list

[cold elbow]

@silent mason are you a streamer?

[silent mason]

Kinda.

[cold elbow]

U have the looks of one

And green background

[silent mason]

I at least used to be a streamer.

[cold elbow]

Unraid needs minimum of 8gb ram right

Cus trueNAS asking that

[brave field]

I'm going to install unraid/alternative over my current server system, i3 4170 at the moment

got the PC for free so as soon as I backup my current MC stuff, postgres, and the FTP its getting moved over from Winblows

[silent mason]

Would 128GB be enough?

RAM

The new motherboard I'm getting supports up to 128GB RAM, and that's with only 4 sticks.

I decided to get 64GB RAM, 4x16GB

And to go with that ram is a Ryzen 9-5900X

[arctic trench]

is leo teo a good site for pc's?

[plucky raft]

I have 6gb ram

[zealous pasture]

Are u running 4+2 or 8-2

[jovial tide]

8-2?

[jovial tide]

Pretty sure it’s a scam

[stone harbor]

never heard of it

[fervent granite]

I have 16 gb of soldered ram

[jovial tide]

rip

[frail perch]

does crypto go here?

[plucky raft]

Don't bully my beast machine

[zealous pasture]

8-2 as in an 8gb stick and 2gb for the igpu

so 6 remains

[jovial tide]

:o

[plucky raft]

Oh

[jovial tide]

i didnt knew that sorry

[zealous pasture]

in fact i have 16-2 lol

[plucky raft]

It has 4+2

[jovial tide]

xd

[plucky raft]

Runs gta

[zealous pasture]

runs cyberbonk

[plucky raft]

So you dont have a graphics card just like mine

[zealous pasture]

yes

i had one

a 1660ti

[plucky raft]

Which means i only have 4gb usable

[silent mason]

Does that mean I only use the dGPU?

[zealous pasture]

wdym

[silent mason]

Since there's no (# GB usable) in mine

[zealous pasture]

yeah ig

[silent mason]

Ah, fair. Asus must have disabled the iGPU since it detected a GTX 760

[kindred temple]

No. Installed ram ≠ Usable ram

Every system will reserve part of the RAM for operating system to run to.

So you never have full capacity.

[silent mason]

yes but there's no separate usable RAM listed in mine. There is in James'

And that's what's throwing me off.

[kindred temple]

Yeah, that can happen but most of the time itll report usable regardless of your RAM size.

Check task manager or resource monitor

And youll see the hardware reserved part of the RAM.

[kindred temple]

That applies to any desktop

[silent mason]

100Mhz reserved by system I guess?

[kindred temple]

100mb?

[silent mason]

Oh yeah, I'm sure they all do it, I just mentioned Asus as I have an Asus motherboard

[kindred temple]

Most ive seen is at 300-400mb

For 16gb

[silent mason]

Oh wait, hardware reserved towards the bottom right, 57.7MB

[brave field]

Does Windows still put unusable ram under "hardware reserved" in a 32bit install?

[tame current]

I'm stuck between these choices.
RTX 3070 8gb
RX 6700 12gb
RX 6700 16gb

[jovial tide]

6700 16 gb isn’t a card btw

[brave field]

The 3070 is infinitely easier to buy and has more features. Check benchmarks for the specific software you're looking to run, but I don't think there's much reason to go for a 6700 unless if has a big lead

[tame current]

For better graphics rendering, will RTX 3070 still be better?

[brave field]

What software?

Blender? C4D? Maya?

[jovial tide]

3070 is a great card for gaming and productivity

Basically matches a 2080ti

[tame current]

I just need it for gaming and flight sim.

[brave field]

Go for the 3070

[tame current]

Even though it only has 8gb?

[brave field]

Vram isn't everything. More helps but doesn't do much if the rest of the GPU can't keep up

[silent mason]

Yes, the 16GB in AMD GPUs is more for marketing buzzwords

[brave field]

Or worse, you get AMD'd and the game you want to play has some extreme performance issues due to a driver bug that won't be patched for years

[silent mason]

I'm getting a Ryzen 9 CPU, but an RTX 3070 GPU

[tame current]

Oh

[jovial tide]

I basically have the anti amd pc anyway lol

intel+nvidia

[brave field]

I'm still mad AMD has ignored OpenGL completely, allowing Intel iGPUs and smartphones to outperform RX 580s

Their response to almost 10 years of support posts on their forums last year was "lol its old, tell the people who made the software to use vulkan"

If you haven't experienced it, know a GTX1660 outperforms the 6800XT in Blender's viewport
Sorry for rant

[tame current]

Thanks. I'll get Ryzen 7 5800x and RTX 3070

[jovial tide]

i would avoid 5800x tbh

[tame current]

Why?

[jovial tide]

either go 5600x 5900x or 10900k

its a bad value chip

[tame current]

5900x is Ryzen 9, right?

[jovial tide]

yes

[silent mason]

5600X is R5 btw

[tame current]

What do you mean by bad value chip?

[silent mason]

Performance to cost ratio is bad

[zealous pasture]

uh can anyone provide with the windefend.reg registry file

[tame current]

Oh

[jovial tide]

the 10900k costs about the same and gets you 2 extra cores and better gaming performance when overclocked and 5900x is only 100 bucks more for 4 extra cores and gives you a boost in cpu bound workloads

really no reason to buy 5800x

[silent mason]

I am looking into into 5800G, but that's for a different reason. Since that build won't have a dGPU

[jovial tide]

11500

[silent mason]

Vega iGPU looks to still beat Intel's new iGPU

[jovial tide]

i mean 11500 is pretty affordable compared to what 5700g will probably be priced at

[silent mason]

And price isn't an issue for me.

The reason for no dGPU is because it has to be vertically mounted in this build (itx secondary PC) and I don't want to vertically mount it.

[jovial tide]

i mean i wonder if 5700g will even be available to consumers anyway

[tame current]

How about Ryzen 9 5950?

[silent mason]

They've said there will be a general release.

[jovial tide]

i mean it probably will be at the end of the year

[jovial tide]

probably overkill for you

[silent mason]

What are you planning on using the PC for outside of gaming?

[tame current]

Nothing, only gaming and for flight sim, MSFS and X-Plane and maybe light streaming, that's it.

[brave field]

5950 is wasted there imo

MSFS is mostly singlethreaded, most newer games only really benefit from 6c12t CPUs, streaming is much better on the GPU now

[tame current]

So it means I can go down to Ryzen 5 5600x...

Or Ryzen 9 5900x is good too.

These are my 2 options now

[brave field]

You can go down to a 5600x but THEN its hard to justify paying $300 for a CPU that isn't close to being 2x as powerful as the $140 i5 10400/f
5900x still seems overkill

[tame current]

One person said Ryzen loads faster but crashes more often

[brave field]

loading speed and crashing can be caused by almost every other component much more often, they might have something weird going on with their own system

[zealous pasture]

uh lol i need the windefend.reg file

[jovial tide]

what about 10900k

dont forget 😦

[tame current]

Oh

If I'm gonna buy Ryzen 7, then I bet I should just switch to i7.

[pliant lynx]

any person here work with Milestone before?

[silent mason]

Honestly with your use case, given Intel's response with the 11th gen, you're much better served with the i5-10400. The RTX 3070 will handle the streaming brilliantly.

[jovial tide]

yeah

11400f is a beast

[kindred temple]

Its pretty much the value beast

But the second ya need more than 6 cores

Go 5800X

[jovial tide]

10900k

[kindred temple]

Nah

10850K

Its basically same shit but downclocked

[tame current]

Are those i5 or i7?

[kindred temple]

i9.

[tame current]

Oh

Would you pick it over Ryzen 9 5900 and 5950?

Oh look, Intel Core i9-10850K is cheaper than Ryzen 9 5900x here.

Or probably it's because the sellers are different.

But still, this i9 is cheaper than even the Ryzen 7 5800x

[tame current]

Oh... What's the k in 10900k and 10850k? The 10900 is cheaper than the 10850k.

[brave field]

k means its unlocked

So you can overclock them if you want

[rapid lake]

Aren’t 90% of Ryzen CPUs unlocked?

[tame current]

Oh

[brave field]

most of Ryzen is, but there's less reason to manually OC Ryzen 3000 or later

[tame current]

i9-10850K is even cheaper than Ryzen 7 5800x here.

[silent mason]

I believe all Ryzen CPUs are unlocked, but if you use an A### motherboard, overclocking is locked out.

But you can overclock on B550 and I believe even B450

[tame current]

Another thing. Should I buy a new PC now before GPU prices rise again or wait for GPU supply to stabilize?

[brave field]

GPU prices are at their peak right now, with people using notifs or bots to get the 3060 ti and above at MSRP being the exception

things probably won't go back to normal until 2023

[tame current]

Oh my

[silent mason]

Best bet is go to a system integrator like PC Specialist or ibuypower

[jovial tide]

probably cant overclock as well but its good price for stock clocks

[plucky raft]

I want to buy a good mouse that is cheap
Any suggestions

[vapid grove]

Logitech G502 if you're fine with a larger mouse. ~$40

[silent mason]

If you want cheap, avoid Razer like the plague

[plucky raft]

@vapid grove cheaper 😅

[vapid grove]

How cheap?

[silent mason]

Like $1 cheap?

[brave field]

the time for the Zelotes C12 has come! A $15 12-button mouse with a hideous design!

[plucky raft]

About 15 euro?

[silent mason]

Wtf is that design?

[brave field]

not completely serious about that but if you wanted it, yeah

[plucky raft]

What am i supposed to do with 12 buttons lol

[vapid grove]

I'd just get a normal mouse at that price point. Stay away from all the weird cheap Chinese "gaming" mice around that price. They all develop scroll wheel squeeks and have mashed potato buttons.

[silent mason]

Yeah, given I paid £100 for my mouse...

[plucky raft]

Can it fly

[silent mason]

Which I can't even name it because the name triggers the language filter.

[jovial tide]

if anyone wants a 3080 prebuilt

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/ibuypower-trace-mr-gaming-desktop-intel-i7-11700kf-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-10gb-500gb-nvme-ssd-1tb-hdd/6455410.p?skuId=6455410

[light sinew]

Dam the graphics card alone is still like $1400 and you get the whole pc for 2k

prebuilts have become good deals due to this shortage

[jovial tide]

2 grand

motherboard looks kinda shitty but you can easily replace it

[light sinew]

yea the parts alone will cover the 2k

you could sell the stuff that is mediocre and swap them out

win win

[jovial tide]

i would just keep it tbh

replace shitty mobo and maybe psu

[arctic yarrow]

Motherboard doesn't look too flashy, but at the very least I don't expect it to die in the next few years. I would definitely replace the PSU tho.

[short pumice]

can anobody help me because if im streaming gta5 to friends its so laggy and they only hear audio and the rest frozed

[plucky raft]

Maybe you have low upload

[lost obsidian]

you need at least 10mbps upload speed to stream

[silent mason]

Hmm, so someone now has their hands on the 5700G... interesting. Wonder what they'll show off.

[brave field]

der8auer will buy it off them, OC it to 12ghz, and then laugh at everyone who wanted cinebench results

[jovial tide]

supposedly 11400 beats 5600g

probably in raw cpu performance not igpu

[silent mason]

Yeah the iGPU performance is more important to me.

[tame current]

Hello, my friend is often lagging in her streams, what is the cause of her lag? These are the spec info she gave me.

Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics 3.00 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.36 GB usable)

Windows 10 Home 64 bit

[vapid grove]

Streaming and running a game on a 4600

[silent mason]

And a laptop one too by the looks of it.

[tame current]

That's a laptop she's using

[silent mason]

So is she using VCE or x264 to encode?

And on a different note, anyone here got the Strimer Plus controller?

[jovial tide]

you probably need more ram too

since the apu uses system ram

[brave field]

She should make sure she is using h265 encoding with the iGPU there

[tame current]

How about replacing her processor and GPU?

[silent mason]

On a laptop? You're buying a new laptop then.

[tame current]

Oh

That could be expensive

[jovial tide]

[fervent granite]

couldn't someone just automate a left click?

[jovial tide]

it wouldnt make a difference

you literally had to make evey single jump perfectly to win

[arctic yarrow]

Wow, netgear is so fucking garbage. How the fuck do you fuck up DHCP renewal on an Orbi firmware update TWICE?

[arctic yarrow]

Who the fuck is doing QA on those fucking firmware updates? Fucking orangutans?

[formal frost]

Yo is it worth buying the nzxt elite case need someone else opinion on this

[brave field]

Which NZXT Elite case?

The S340 Elite? H510 elite? H510i?

[formal frost]

Nzxt h510 elite

I’m thinking about it since it’s my first build

[brave field]

Its super expensive, I wouldn't

[formal frost]

Which case should I go for

[brave field]

Its an h510i with glass on the front, which is already a marked up h500/h510 with a $3 RGB controller added

If you like that look, an H510 is much less expensive. If you still want ease to build in but better cooling, cases like the Meshify series or the NR600 are in the same $60 price range

[jovial tide]

^ and p360a

[jovial tide]

shit case

go with p500a digital if you want an epeen rgb case

[plucky raft]

I was playing today and computer suddenly turned off

Checked it and the fan was not spinning

[brave field]

boot into your UEFI and check if the fan is running in there

if not, mess with the fan curve and hope it works again

else, try that cooler on a different system if you have one, or replace

if its just not working inside windows, its possible a program like Speedfan or your mobo manu's control panel app or XTU/RyzenMaster is causing it

[silent mason]

So, I'm likely gonna be looking for magnetic tape...

to stick to my Strimer Plus controller, with the magnet side on the case itself, to hold said controller in position... yay...

[plucky raft]

@brave field the fan it's is hard to move

It's damaged maybe

[silent mason]

As in when you try and move the blades it just won't move?

[brave field]

And this is the fan on your CPU cooler, not a case fan, yeah?

[plucky raft]

It's a case fan

I can spin it with my hand but it's hard

[silent mason]

hmm, is it just the initial getting it moving that's hard? or does it get stuck while moving (after getting it started)?

(since once it gets moving, it does become easier to keep it moving)

[brave field]

a case fan won't be the cause of your PC shutting down (unless its an electrical issue where it overdraws), but that does sound problematic, hmm

[plucky raft]

Yes initially hard and motor is hot

The pc has only one case fan

And it needs some cleaning

[silent mason]

ok, so that sounds like gunk has got in the ball bearing of the fan. I recommend getting some new case fans (yes, plural)

you'll want the fan on the rear to be an exhaust fan by the way.

[plucky raft]

It will be pain to order and replace

Thank you guys for the help ❤️

[silent mason]

yeah, I know the feeling don't worry!

Only about 3 months ago I had my GTX 1080 die on me... stuck on a GTX 760 now

[fervent granite]

Does epic games not like being in a virtual machine?

I don't want to be stuck in windows while downloading a game so I booted into my bootcamp partition to finish the download but it doesn't want to continue where it left off

this is the only part that moves, the write graph also moves occasionally

[brave field]

OpenMediaVault is starting to look like the one I need

That or FreeNAS, probably OMV because its on Debian and not BSD

Plex, easy SSH/VNC/RDP, OpenVPN, Docker, stuff like this Bitwarden you mention, and a good web-based control panel, all with pretty low requirements too

[silent mason]

Using an NVME gen 4 SSD with the PCIe lanes on an Asus Crosshair VIII Hero WiFi motherboard, will that reduce the performance of the RTX 3070 at all?

[brave field]

@silent mason

Assuming your Ryzen 5000 CPU doesn't have less lanes/this chart comes from chipset lanes, you should be fine

[silent mason]

Ryzen 9-5900X, if that helps.

[brave field]

even then, I think the 3070/2080ti were the first GPUs to fully saturate 2.0 x16/3.0 x8 and have measurable performance gain moving to 3.0x16, I think 4.0 x8 would still be plenty

That measurable gain was about 2%

so in the case the 5900x somehow has less lanes than Ryzen 3000, the chart underneath it for Ryzen 2000 (page 24 of the English manual) still shows 3.0x8 at its absolute lowest, so you're good

[silent mason]

5900X has 20 lanes. And I believe the X570 motherboard comes with another 16

So does that mean I could run 2 PCIe SSDs and the RTX 3070 with enough lanes for all?

[brave field]

I don't know everything about how this board uses lanes but assuming 4 CPU lanes and half the chipset lanes are dedicated to USB/SATA/wifi and all the other related stuff, you'd be fine

and one of the SSDs will move to PCIe 3.0 x4 before your GPU has to get less lanes, always, so if you are somehow short on them, things will be fine, as no consumer-focused SSDs will struggle with PCIe 3.0

[silent mason]

Ah OK. So at the very least the first SSD and GPU are gonna run full 4.0 speed then?

[brave field]

yeah

Also, if you're not using the wifi, you can remove that AX200 card and should get a few more lanes if 28 somehow isn't enough

[silent mason]

Potentially the 2nd one too.

The motherboard comes with it built in...

So it's not a separate WiFi card.

[brave field]

I don't know if you can unscrew or slide this cover on the left

but the AX200 is a standard m.2 e-key card, this would be the first mobo where its not removable if you really can't take it out

every other board that comes with wifi just has the AX200 or similar on its own m.2 slot and antennae cabling headed towards the IO shield, and its not soldered or anything, so you can remove it if you want

[silent mason]

Doing so would void my warranty as it would be considered changing the motherboard

(Prebuilt system from an SI, so my warranty is with them and not Asus)

[brave field]

ah

[silent mason]

Does the Crosshair have half of its chipset lanes for SATA/USB then?

[brave field]

I don't know, but from what I've seen on this manual, I estimate they've split 8 chipset lanes to all of that

probably 3.0x4 for the AX200, a few for all those back USB ports, a few for SATA

it sounds right to me, 8 for ports/interconnect/whateverelse and 28 for you, the user

[silent mason]

The X570 chipset offers 8x USB 3.2 Gen 2, 4x USB 2.0, 4x SATA and 8 separate PCI-Express 4.0 lanes. That leaves eight flexible lanes that can be used for PCI-Express and SATA.

The SATA lanes are probably gen 3 though, not gen 4

[brave field]

Likely so

[silent mason]

but I might go for a gen 3 secondary NVME SSD anyway...

The OS is going to be on a super-fast Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD though, this secondary SSD is for games and apps that need fast loading times (with 3 SATA SSDs for games that don't need as fast loading times)

[brave field]

Why have it there?

[silent mason]

The Samsung 980 Pro is a gen 4 PCIe SSD

And if the SSD gets full, performance tanks from what I'm told

[brave field]

Any speed advantage it would have for some programs over the others would be squandered by them having to share the drive IO with the OS though, no?

[silent mason]

If they're on separate SSDs though?

[brave field]

Separate SSDs avoids the issue but Windows alone likely wouldn't benefit much from the 980

Boot times neither, with how slow PCIe devices are initialized vs SATA ones

[silent mason]

So best to keep the gen 4 SSD as a 2TB one, and have a separate gen 3 one for the OS?

[brave field]

That's what I'd go for

The 980 is pricy, I wouldn't give that whole drive to Windows alone

Windows still doesn't benefit noticeably from a 3.0x2 drive over a SATA SSD

[silent mason]

But for games like MFS2020, it's going to be a beast right?

The 980 that is

[brave field]

Yeah, probably still overkill for that too

But with the game being so big, if it's doing sequential reads the 980 helps, even if only a tiny, tiny, tiny bit

[silent mason]

Yeah, it's going to be bonkers. Definitely future proofed for games. Ffxiv is going on that drive too.

Especially if I get back into The Hunt, anything I can do to cut down the loading time helps. Ideally I'd want a nanosecond load time.

[brave field]

Hm

Call up AMD's semi-custom department and have a couple million on hand, you might be able to get a custom made CPU with a few GB of cache

[silent mason]

I'd need like a 50GB cache.

What would it be though, the Ryzen 9 5970X?

[brave field]

Eh, whatever you choose to name it

[silent mason]

Oh wait they'd have me name the chip?

[brave field]

The semi-custom department is basically a "give us specs, a name, and a whole bunch of cash," yeah

[silent mason]

I'd probably call it the Ryzen Ultimatum if they'd let me use rhe Ryzen name lol

[brave field]

Might net let you lol

[silent mason]

That 50GB cache would certainly drive an ultimatum to Intel for gaming. 😂

[brave field]

Microsoft named the Series X one "Scarlett," don't think you can use the Ryzen name

50gb cache, persistent DDR5 ramdrive

You got it if you have the cash

[silent mason]

Especially if I was able to convince AMD to sell it as a chip to other consumers. Though it'd not be a cheap CPU by any stretch. You thought the Ryzen Epyc 64c128t CPU was expensive. Oh boy.

I'd expect anyone wanting to buy the chip after it's specially made to have to pay something like $500'000 for it minimum. Just for the CPU.

Like a preconfigured specialist chip.

[brave field]

50GB of cache will have terrible yields

I think 3-4 billion will be a bit more reasonable, just charging for making sure they can get enough usable cache, testing, offloading the "bad" yields

[silent mason]

Oh, they'd have to really cherry pick the silicon then?

Ah in that case, expect to be paying quadrillions of dollars for it.

Not even trillions

[brave field]

Well uh

Your 980 is better suited for the game than the OS

Windows doesn't do too many sequential reads or writes

copying/moving files would benefit the most

[silent mason]

So keep the 2TB Samsung and get a gen 3 Windows NVME SSD. Possibly stick MixItUp and the browser on that gen 3 SSD too

And then for games where I don't care about load times (mostly single player titles), use 2.5" SSDs. And for storing the media... 3.5" HDDs (likely 2x4TB)

[brave field]

Yup

Still quite overkill but your streaming and controls and such is already a "go big or go home" sort of setup

I do wonder how things like DirectStorage, RTX IO, some of the new tiering systems, and other stuff we'll likely see late this year will work with that

[silent mason]

Yeah, my entire setup is "Go big or to home"

It definitely fits with my mantra of "Think big, REALLY big"

[earnest bay]

What does the crystal mean in the top left. It's not a server and I cant click on it

[stone harbor]

the thingy next to the name?

its means the server is partnered

[rapid lake]

I believe that defines a folder of servers

Or that's what it seems, if you mean the hourglass

[tame current]

I don't get why RTX 3070s have different prices for different brands. What's the difference besides the brand?

[tame current]

And idk which is better to buy. 10th gen i9-10850K unlocked or Ryzen 7 5800x.

The 10th gen i9-10850K unlocked is tempting because it's cheaper than the Ryzen 7 5800x

[kindred temple]

Better cooling and power delivery.

Most of the release cards are all reference by nvidia, so sometimes its only cooling

[tame current]

Thanks. The RTX 3070 which is currently available for me seems quite pricey, only small difference from the cheapest RTX 3080 they're selling.

You said that the i9-10900K and i9-10850K is basically the same but the latter is downclocked, right?

[kindred temple]

Yep

You can basically overclock them to 10900k usual turbo with good cooler

Something like Dark Rock Pro 4 or Scythe Fuma 2/Mugen 5 gonna run that stout thing fully unlocked

[tame current]

Idk if I should wait for 10900k or buy the last 10850k or go with 10900.

[jovial tide]

10850k is a worse binned 10900k so you might have more luck overclocking 10900k

10850k should achieve 10900k speeds with no issues though

[tame current]

I'm trying to find an i9 10900k but I couldn't find one.

[jovial tide]

If you are in USA you can find them easily

My local Best Buy has some

[tame current]

Sadly, I'm not in the USA

[eager tapir]

Rip

[tame current]

I guess I should be fine with 10850k...

[kindred temple]

You should be

[silent mason]

If you want a powerful air cooler, Noctua NH-D15 is a nice fan to go for. Their Chromax edition is also nice.

[jovial tide]

ive heard good things about fuma 2

nhd15 too expensive when other competitive all black coolers exist like drp4

[brave field]

The Thermalright Macho coolers keep up with the Dark Rock Pro 3/4 and the D15 but they look a bit goofy

the heatsink isn't in two like with the others, its just one huge block of metal

good enough that they also released a fanless version and its pretty decent at passive cooling, you can cool an i7-7700 if your case isn't an oven

[silent mason]

Noctua NH-D15 is an absolute beast of an air cooler, so of course it will command a high price

[tame current]

What would be the best motherboard to pair with Ryzen 7 5800x and Intel i9-10850k unlocked?

[silent mason]

They're not great for the wallet, but personally I use the Crosshair VIII Hero WiFi for my 5900X

[tame current]

Can I pair it with these 2 I mentioned?

[silent mason]

You can pair it with the 5800X, but not with the i9-10850K as it's a different socket.

And the only reason I picked the Crosshair is because it has USB ports out the arse

[tame current]

Oh

[silent mason]

12 ports on the rear IO alone

[jovial tide]

anyone here uses pfsense or ipfire?

[jovial tide]

Anybody know how quiet the noctua industrial fans are

I wanna get it since it can reach 3000 rpm but idk how loud it’ll get around 500-2000

I don’t mind noise at all. But I will mind if it starts sounding like a dyson vacuum cleaner

[jovial tide]

the db range is listed on the website, you can check it out. I dont think such quality fans make that much noise though

[jovial tide]

why do you need really high rpm fans

is case airflow poor or something?

nah

what case

Either the Corsair 5000d airflow or Lian Li 011. I put in the Lian Li since the tinted glass on the airflow turns me away

and i dont like the designs of mesh cases

Im doing a monochrome stealth type build so itll be minimum RGB

"sort of stealth"

[kindred temple]

All thermalright is goofy looking lule

[jovial tide]

i would get the 5000d

011 too expensive and has 0 fans

only looks good in a custom loop tbh

theres also the phanteks p500a digital

I would get the 5000d. Only problem is idk how dark the tint it for the black version

tbh the mesh version doesnt even look that bad

this is mine and i regret not going mesh tbh

need to take a photo of front panel

Which case is that?

corsair 280x

either an rgb version or non rgb

I see

I wish they’d make the 5000d non tinted then I would’ve bought it regardless

what about the meshify c

i would highly suggest going mesh

Is it 360mm for the top?

Or 240

for meshify c?

not sure

Yea

Is fractal a mesh

Is the front panel a mesh or is it just the design

mesh

Ight

Why mesh though

much better airflow

cooler system overall

im modding this case in the future or even might switch it entirely

probably just mod for airflow

my 3080 puts out a lot of heat so it needs more fresh air

I see

3080 go brrrrr

what gpu are you putting in there

im custom looping this summer

[silent mason]

You should build a dual system in a Corsair 1000D, with 32 fans (and dual rads on the front for push/pull, etc)

[vapid grove]

Why stop at dual rads

[silent mason]

I can't remember how many rads the 1000D can take

And for the ATX build, run dual 3090 GPUs, Ryzen 9-5950X, 128GB RAM, Crosshair VIII Formula motherboard, etc

Why the formula? So you can watercool the VRMs too

[vapid grove]

By my count, if water cooling the RAM, you'd need 9 radiators

[silent mason]

Not sure you'd need 9 if you're custom looping

[vapid grove]

Each component needs its own closed loop

[silent mason]

But here's the thing, the secondary system would have a 3070, and also a Ryzen 9-5950X, and 64GB RAM, using a Crosshair VIII Impact motherboard, and a Phanteks Revolt X 1200W PSU

JayzTwoCents doesn't seem to do that

[jovial tide]

wow u fricking managed to get an rtx

[jovial tide]

yes

[tame current]

Hmmm, I'm not sure how I can test a processor if it's defective once it arrives...

[jovial tide]

get a motherboard that the cpu supports?

rarely are cpus the defective part in a pc

[tame current]

My PC is very obsolete, still 3rd gen.

[jovial tide]

they are made like tanks

i never dealt with a dead cpu honestly

you want the 10850k right

[jovial tide]

still gives some solid performance in competitive titles

[tame current]

Yes

But I think putting a 10850k or even a Ryzen 5 3600 won't work anymore

[jovial tide]

why not

3600 is not worth getting new now

the i5 11400f is a lot better even if you have to deal with a lot of heat

[tame current]

I believe we're only given few days before we can refund

[jovial tide]

^

what did you buy

[jovial tide]

yeah but what did you buy yes

[tame current]

3 days at max

[jovial tide]

what did you even buy 😂

[tame current]

I'm buying the 10850k but I didn't confirm my order yet so not yet.

That's why I'm hesitating

[jovial tide]

ohh if you didnt buy then whats the point of thinking of returning

are you completely sure you need it for your workload

[tame current]

Just in case

[jovial tide]

you will get a replacement if its dead anyways

and 10850k is not a great value chip for gaming

its very rare to find a dead cpu new

so if you are gaming look elsewhere

yeah

11400f 11600k 5600x etc

hmm

[tame current]

This is for MSFS

[jovial tide]

5600x is kinda overpriced everywhere

maybe look at 10700k

[jovial tide]

i5 11400f is more than enough for msfs

has more oc headroom that 10850 probably

hmm but has 2 less cores

eh cores dont matter much for gaming unless its under a quad core

[tame current]

The 5600x seems quite expensive, it's only a little cheaper than an i7 10700k.

[jovial tide]

still future proofing is a first priority for me

i dunno about others

futureproof isnt a thing

unless its for your power supply

[tame current]

Future proofing?

[jovial tide]

ye

[tame current]

I don't get it

[silent mason]

Futureproofing is indeed a thing

Like my 5900X probably will last me 10 years because I went so high end

[jovial tide]

waiting for the 4060 to match the 3090 next year lol

i still dont know till when my 3600 stops giving adequate performance and i gotta replace it

[silent mason]

for GPUs maybe, but for CPUs... my 3770K lasted me about 7 years

[jovial tide]

ur gunna get it?

[jovial tide]

tank cpu

right now there is a ton of cpu performance gains gen after gen since ryzen came out

before that i see your point

[tame current]

I would get 5800x, 5900x, 10850k or higher for long term ownership

[jovial tide]

ye

like how sandy bridge stayed relevant for a decade

[jovial tide]

yeah but their performance is not bad at all

[vapid grove]

Why

[jovial tide]

11400f beats it for cheaper

it really has no reason to buy

[jovial tide]

cuz there are better alternatives now

[tame current]

3000 series seems to be kinda old by now.

[jovial tide]

even if there is no overclocking options and no upgradability its still better

right now comet lake/i5 rocket lake and zen 3 are the cpus to buy

they say that 12th gen will come out later this year so why not just wait

[vapid grove]

isn't 11400f very similar in performance to a 3600 for gaming?

[tame current]

12th gen? Isn't 11th gen still new?

[jovial tide]

it comes close to 5600x

[jovial tide]

wayyy better than the 3600

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T--8nA_dBo

[jovial tide]

yeah but its just a stopgap for the 12th gen to come out

they are saying that it will be 10nm and with more cores with their big-little cpu structure

rocket lake is fine to buy

just ignore the i7 and i9s

yeah but its better to wait

better idea

[jovial tide]

hmm

[tame current]

All I see about intel is comet lake now

[jovial tide]

get a graphics card first then buy whatever cpu is good value then

alder lake is coming soon though

its probably at end of 2021-early 2022

yeah

[urban rampart]

yo anyone know why my new e brake wont work on my xbox

[jovial tide]

which one dude

[brave field]

hm

what are they being cleaned of?

ooh

sounds very nice

I want, does this come with some other software you have?

[jovial tide]

are you the guy that created this server?

[iron lantern]

I opened my laptop today and the battery cell is half swollen

and im planning for a flight in the next month

im worried if i dont get it fixed it might die on me

but then i dont trust sending it to dell would make it any better

[brave field]

buy the battery on your own and replace it yourself if they didn't go out of their way to make that difficult

[iron lantern]

The thing is, i have no idea how to replace it nor do i trust outside parts

[arctic yarrow]

What's the model number of the laptop?

[jovial tide]

Just saying

Best Buy is allowing walk in orders of 3060s

https://twitter.com/ns_alerts/status/1390783208892116993?s=21

NerdSpeak Stock Alerts (@NS_ALERTS)

Alert!!!!
Bestbuy is allowing WALK-IN-CUSTOMERS to place an order for EITHER:
3060 Strix
3060 TUF

Go into your local bestbuy, and ask to place a pickup order. Tell them you have the SKU. They will be able to order you one card.

TUF SKU = 6460666
STRIX SKU = 6460665

Good luck!

Twitter · May 7, 2021, 9:38 PM

[arctic yarrow]

Damn, that's awesome

Difficult for bots to buy stock at a brick-and-mortar store.

[jovial tide]

waiting for the 3070 notif

[silent mason]

Yeah, we didn't have that for the UK. So I had to get a prebuilt.

[jovial tide]

lol

[arctic yarrow]

JESUS

That poor RAM module ;-;

[brave field]

What a sad CRUNCH sound

[kindred temple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/251874911432343553/350832029690232833/FB_IMG_1503715261515.jpg?width=440&height=330

this is more painful

[brave field]

seen so many of these, hate this too

"I can't get my GPU out, time to rip it out as hard as I can"

[silent mason]

Ok, so I can't seem to find an answer... can the Crosshair VIII Hero WiFi run 2 Samsung 980 Pro NVME drives at full speed without also bottlenecking the GPU? I've tried Googling too and can't seem to find an answer 😦

[brave field]

It will run perfectly

Ryzen 5000 has 24 lanes, the chart from yesterday showed it being fine with just 20 lanes

[arctic yarrow]

WTF is wrong with people?

[silent mason]

Cool, so it seems that's what I'm gonna be doing then. On the C8H WiFi it has 3 M.2 slots. 2 below the GPU, and one above the GPU (closer to the CPU). Would it be best to use the 2 below the GPU then?

[brave field]

whichever M.2_1 and m.2_2 is

er

Not seeing a third one here

[silent mason]

1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280 (PCIE 4.0 x4 and SATA modes) storage devices support
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280/22110(PCIE 4.0 x4 and SATA modes) storage devices support

[brave field]

hmm

[silent mason]

That's from the tech specs

If I had to guess, the top left part where it says Republic of Gamers is where the 3rd one is. Draws from CPU lanes from what I've read

[brave field]

only seeing a total of two here

my guess is that the E-key one is being called M-key in the specs

the wifi card is on an e-key slot

and not documented or shown in the manual weirdly

Or I just can't see right now and my eyes are broken again

[silent mason]

hmm, it looks like the bottom slot can house much longer m.2 drives

[jovial tide]

question

do yall actually need this

[silent mason]

why should that matter? This wasn't a cheap rig, I want to get it to run excellently.

but if it pulls 2 SATA ports instead of PCI lanes, will it still run at the same speed?

[jovial tide]

i mean it should work but i dont have that much expansion

2 nvme ssds but im on a gen 3 platform

[fervent granite]

Think I might’ve underestimated my machine, turns out if I give my vm’s just a little more ram it’ll actually run cooler and faster

[jovial tide]

Why is my Xbox power button flashing on and Off?

[plain forge]

What pc are good for running fiveM and mc

[jovial tide]

minecraft can run on a potato

pcs are hard to build rn anyway

[plain forge]

ik its more for fiveM

[jovial tide]

budget?

@plain forge

[plain forge]

2500

[jovial tide]

id reccomend a prebuilt also

oh thats a good amount

high end gaming rig

[plain forge]

Yea it will be for gamming

[arctic yarrow]

I'm gonna hate myself for saying this (mainly because I despise prebuilts and always build my own), but prebuilds are the best value right now.

[jovial tide]

yes

[arctic yarrow]

Unless you can get lucky with a newegg shuffle or something.

[jovial tide]

also @plain forge i would stay away from name brand pc companies like dell (alienware) hp (omen) and acer etc

go for the ones that use off the shelf parts

[arctic yarrow]

The trinity of shit PCs

[plain forge]

Okay

[jovial tide]

https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Intel-Cerberus-EZB101/W/1483513 this looks decent

all you need to do is add a 2 tb hard drive for game storage which is like 50 bucks

3080 and 11600k is a good pairing

[arctic yarrow]

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-2-0TB-Sata-Renewed/dp/B086XKCGH1/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=western+digital&qid=1620506334&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A7817230011&rnid=562234011&s=pc&sr=1-5

[jovial tide]

i wouldnt buy used storage

[arctic yarrow]

I've never had an issue with refurbished drives manufactured by WD

[jovial tide]

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-3-5-Inch/dp/B07H2RR55Q/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3OGESH8GL82EI&dchild=1&keywords=barracuda+2tb&qid=1620506420&s=electronics&sprefix=barracuda+2+%2Celectronics%2C175&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzMU9NNlpSUUYzSzhaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUExMDM4MTI5MTA3TUpNTlcwNzdJVSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwOTYwNDY3MURMVlhRSE9aNFpZOCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

[arctic yarrow]

I'd steer clear of toshiba drives tho

[jovial tide]

brand new barracuda 55 bucks

[arctic yarrow]

Ok, that's better value than what I linked.

[echo mural]

anyone know good fix for framedrops in cod cold war?

[brave field]

Do you know the main cause of your fps drops?

[jovial tide]

could be cpu ram etc

[brave field]

If not, run task manager and play the game, and look at per-core CPU usage, overall CPU usage, ram, and GPU usage

once that's narrowed down its easier to pinpoint what to change

[jovial tide]

yeah

im going to assume its ram

the game does not run well at all with less than 16 gigs ive seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_TW1VVP_eo yt benchmark so take it with a grain of salt

[echo mural]

i have 16gb ram

[jovial tide]

what cpu/gpu

if cpu running at 100 percent it could be an issue

[echo mural]

i7 6700 - 1660ti

[jovial tide]

probably the cpu

use geforce experience to have cpu and gpu usage overlay

since afterburner doesnt work well

alt z to settings then hud layout performance than click advanced

[brave field]

Spyware Experience

[echo mural]

ok hang on

[jovial tide]

sad that afterburner doesnt work

[echo mural]

i can make a quick clip of some drops with the stats open

[jovial tide]

nah just let us know cpu usage

if cpu usage is 100 it explains it

[echo mural]

cpu usage is sitting between 65-70%

[brave field]

what about GPU usage?

[echo mural]

around 90

[brave field]

its possible the CPU is related a tiny bit just because the new CoD games prefer 6c12t but your GPU is nearly at full load as well

Are you currently getting fps drops?

[echo mural]

ye i was in the match

apparnelty the stats overlay doesnt show up in shadowplay recordings

[brave field]

try lowering a GPU-centric setting, like resolution, AA, or any post-processing

[jovial tide]

basically put it all low

settings

[brave field]

also it might be relatively minor but disable Xbox Game Bar's recording feature that's on by default

[echo mural]

my AA was on ultra

[echo mural]

yeah i turned that off too

for aa should i go lowest (fxaa) or disabled

[brave field]

Try disabled

if you hate the look, FXAA might be an okay compromise, it's less performance-heavy than other AA options like SSAA and less blurry than TAA

[echo mural]

okay gonna try again

even the menu walking animation keeps dropping

[brave field]

thinking of it now, CoD MW has a setting that lowers fps in menus and when alt-tabbed intentionally

[echo mural]

yeah im on 60fps cap for menu

[brave field]

check if anything is better ingame

GPU usage should be lower

[echo mural]

it goes 80-85 now

and sitll dropping hard, first minute is smooth then it starts dorpping

starting to feel its some background program or something

my cpu usage went down a bit too

[brave field]

80-85% GPU usage shouldn't cause drops and 70% CPU usage could be it if the game is ignoring HT, but its still pretty weird

Disable Shadowplay if GFE lets you keep your performance metrics with it off

Its known to be pretty hard on performance and its recording quality is questionable vs OBS

[echo mural]

turned off shadowplay