tech-coding-math

[toxic sentinel]

I'm running Arc B580 with R5 5600 and I love that GPU

[winter ore]

that ur main pc ??

[toxic sentinel]

Yes it's my gaming PC

[winter ore]

do u find problems with the ryzen 5 5600 ?

[toxic sentinel]

Arc B580 might have some problems with performance on older games though

I play almost only new stuff so I'm not sure

[toxic sentinel]

Nah

I can get more than 60fps on all games I play

I'm satisfied with that

[winter ore]

ye bro me idc about playing in 4k i just wanna play in 1080p 60fps or maybe even 100fps i just want a playable enjoyable experience so i think a ryzen 5 5600g to start with is pretty good then when i get the money i could get a good gpu

[toxic sentinel]

R5 5600 is only CPU though and Arc B580 is my GPU

[winter ore]

when i get a good gpu am planning to change my ryzen 5 5600g with a ryzen 7 5700x3d is this good ?

[winter ore]

also bro what motherboard u be using ?

[toxic sentinel]

Asus Prime B550 M-K

[winter ore]

nice bro

do u know about motherboards ?

[toxic sentinel]

Not really that much, but I usually buy cheaper models

Some have aRGB controller so if you want to have customizable RGB lighting then you should look for those

[winter ore]

me too what do u think about the msi b450m-a pro max ii ?

[toxic sentinel]

That's your motherboard?

[winter ore]

am buying it

i found a good prebuild with a good price and am saving for it rn

[toxic sentinel]

It's pretty limited on CPU support though

5000 series is highest you can buy for it

Same with my mobo though

[winter ore]

does it support the ryzen 7 5700x3d ??

[winter ore]

nah bro u dont have to worry about it there is pretty good 5000 series cpus bro

[toxic sentinel]

Yeah seems like it, but might need BIOS update if it's too old

Same with my motherboard, but it came with new BIOS

[toxic sentinel]

True, but when I'm upgrading next time I will probably buy new system

[winter ore]

tell me do u have problems playing games on ur current pc ?

[toxic sentinel]

Not really

I play GTA V Enhanced/Cyberpunk 2077/ The Last of Us Part II

And haven't had any problems with those games

[winter ore]

aight bro

amma see what i could do later

ty for the help tho

[toxic sentinel]

idk R9 5900x3d seems to be kinda costly

[winter ore]

it not the x3d it the x

idk if it the x3d that is expensive but the x version is pretty affordable

wait a sec lemme check again

[lost fossil]

me personally i would route gpu cables there for a straight run that would look better

[toxic sentinel]

You can get Ryzen 7 7700x at same price it seems

That needs new motherboard though

[stone apex]

Straight what.

[lost fossil]

straight cable

[stone apex]

I need cable extensions at least.

[lost fossil]

yeah that's the next step

[stone apex]

Because this white into black right in the middle is so ass.

I'm thinking if I need a lightbar.

[lost fossil]

you probably don't

[winter ore]

yes this why i cant do that and i just found out it expensive i saw a website selling it for way cheap this why i thought it was cheap ill prolly just stick with the ryzen 7 5700x3d or the 7 5800x

[stone apex]

doesn't it make a monitor and surrounding less harsh for eyes?

[toxic sentinel]

Yeah if you go to R9 5900x way then maybe it would be better to get R7 7700x as it seems to get 10fps more in some games

[winter ore]

aight bro ty

[toxic sentinel]

Actually I see pretty similar fps counts on Ryzen 5 5700x3d and ryzen 7 7700x

Ryzen 7000 series has more upgrade potential though as am4 is kinda dead socket

[winter ore]

what about the 7 5700x cuz the x3d is a bit costy for me is there a big difference ?

[winter ore]

ye bro am6 is on the way and we still using m4 💔😭

[lost fossil]

am4 is a no-go for a fresh build in 2025 unless you found a killer deal on a 5700x3d

[toxic sentinel]

Lmao 5 5700x3d cost as much as r9 5900x

I see only 30€ difference

[winter ore]

for me there is a big diffrence cuz in my country the prices are diffrent

[toxic sentinel]

Lowest I see is 260€ brand new

[charred otter]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n69XzP

Recently upgraded to this list, not looking for upgrades just wanna hear thoughts

P.S list went up almost $350 USD
I paid $1200 USD for all of it

[civic cloud]

Hello Tech Channel

I'm here to bully oleg

@lost fossil wake up

[quaint helm]

Can be better , that ram is kinda slow

[quaint helm]

Wakemimimi him

[brave field]

Microsoft store, why must you do this to me every time?

[sharp coyote]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sqbypg/montech-century-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-century-ii-850w
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zfGhP6/adata-xpg-core-reactor-ii-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactorii750g-bkcus

[proper sundial]

He sits idle all day doing nothing but only start working when you open it, like you play games during your work time and as soon as the boss come in you switch screens

[lost fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-coffin-world-wrestling-entertainment-gif-17903370

[rapid lake]

For $100

I barely need a second monitor tbh I just want it for the convenience it sometimes offers

But like, might aswell get something good right

Instead of a beat up 60hz lcd from 2011

Still looking at options

[lost fossil]

i mean, as long as the size matches

[rapid lake]

well

no

I don't want the second one to be 27 too

[lost fossil]

sizes must match

[rapid lake]

no

thats ocd

[lost fossil]

or you get smth that is the same in width as the height of your main and then you place it vertically

[lost fossil]

that's right

[rapid lake]

🙅‍♂️

Well look

the one I have been considering for the longest time is 24.5" flat

I don't know if it matches in terms of

height

But it should be pretty close

[lost fossil]

16:9 curved is a bad format in my objective opinion

[rapid lake]

Again I didn't choose this I got it for free

[lost fossil]

then fair enough

i wasn't in the chat for that part

[rapid lake]

I wouldn't want curved to begin with

Transporting it home I was worried it would split in half

so

https://ayoubcomputers.com/msi-pro-mp251-e2-24-5-full-hd-ips-monitor-mp251-e2

this is 414

mine is 560

but how do they measure these dimensions

because it's 370mm when I measure the height

[civic cloud]

I've never seen someone actually measure a monitor instead of just relying on the screen diameter

[rapid lake]

Because I don't know what these numbers represesnt exactly

It says W x H x D which supposedly is width, height and depth but

when I go to measure it's different

[civic cloud]

I'm confused, are you comparing the measurements of your own monitor to some random monitor on the store? or is that the spec sheet to your monitor?

[rapid lake]

Oh I see what's going on

They are measuring the width as the width of monitor with the stand when the monitor sits at the top like this

[rapid lake]

My monitor to another monitor I want to get

To see if the height matches roughly or if it looks weird

So the active display area is pretty much the same in terms of height

at 320mm

[civic cloud]

If both monitors are 24.5" and 16:9 they are almost the same size anyway, depending on the bezel

[lost fossil]

29" also works

[thin turtle]

curse

[lost fossil]

lifted

[cold elbow]

Not

I used one before and my current work monitor is 29

[lost fossil]

34 > 29

[cold elbow]

That's why my current gaming monitor is 34

[lost fossil]

[quaint helm]

noctua 5080 cost 1500euro 💀

[thin turtle]

Who buy a nuctua product

[twin badger]

Slow RAM, GPU and CPU combo is... interesting.

[quaint helm]

linuth teht tibs

[twin badger]

b-b-b-but they will give a free bracket after 10 years!!!!111

(it cost them maybe a buck)

[quaint helm]

now we wait for their pumpless AIO

[charred otter]

Its not my best work I'll admit but i think it'll be fine for a few years

As for ram i could upgrade that down the lind

I haven't noticed a difference between my old rig and new rig in terms of ram so

[cold elbow]

Noctua is good if you want something to install and forget about

And to get the best performance from a fan

[twin badger]

Sounds like just about any CPU cooler out there

Like, what's the worst that happens? A fan breaks? Buy another one for a couple bucks and live happily ever after.

[twin badger]

It's just that you are leaving some potential performance gains off of the table, just because you went with a slower kit. Yes, it will still be absolutely fast, but the full potential is not there.

[quaint helm]

worst? a whiney fan

[rapid lake]

Nah, one is 24.5 and the other is 27 curved

Both 16:9 yeah

I don't really care that much

But after doing the calculations, I will be left with just 20cm or so on my desk since it's gonna be 130cm

With having the two monitors horizontal

Btw are monitor arms usually VESA compatible?

Or am I gonna have to buy adapters

[cold elbow]

What if your use doesn't accept failure? That's when cost is irrelevant.

[junior flax]

reckon it’s worth upgrading to oled?

[rapid lake]

[junior flax]

my current monitor

[cold elbow]

Based

[junior flax]

it’s definitely better then my old 1080p aoc monitor 😭

but oled seems appetising

[cold elbow]

Probably a day and night difference

[junior flax]

ya

[cold elbow]

Fish

[lost fossil]

@quartz kayak

[civic cloud]

Yes

[rapid lake]

NB (North Bayou) is a reputable brand right

I found this

Not many reviews but the one I saw was good

[thin turtle]

your monitor not give the option?

I thought they woul tell you if you want an arm or not

[twin badger]

That so called failure happens when, once every 10 years?

[rapid lake]

I don't need one

I want one so I can have more desk space and have the monitors line up

[snow rover]

i don't know what a north bayou is but why would you buy that when arctic exists

[lost fossil]

it's not really, since its logo is a clear ripoff of new balance (wtf is the connection there anyway) which means it's not a reputable brand, but i have a couple of their monitor arms and they're good

but mine are wall mounted, the f150

[cold elbow]

Bruh wall mounted a ford truck

[lost fossil]

hell yeah

[lost fossil]

arctic is for 1st world countries, 2nd at most, and had lives in a 4th world one

so do i, but in a different one

[snow rover]

😔

[lost fossil]

that's why i've heard of north bayou

[rapid lake]

wtf is arctic

[snow rover]

arctic.de

[rapid lake]

don't they make fans or something

[snow rover]

and monitor arms

[rapid lake]

can't find any here unfortunately

just coolers

oh wait

[lost fossil]

if you can drill holes in your walls i heavily recommend getting 2 f150s instead of the one u posted

[rapid lake]

I found the arctic Z2

[rapid lake]

why tho

[lost fossil]

first so that your monitors stay put when you do things to your desk in a fit of rage
second so that your monitors are disconnected from each other if that makes sense ||it doesn't||

[rapid lake]

Yeah I know what you mean

But the arm is pretty sturdy and I don't rage

Lining them up could be a bit of a pain, but once they do lign up they will stay like that forever

[lost fossil]

it also looks cleaner when there isn't a piece of metal going from your desk to somewhere

[rapid lake]

Actually I really like that look for some reason

[lost fossil]

[rapid lake]

The arm extended there

and like, there's gonna be cables anyways so with the arm there serving a function (being an arm) and also running the cables through it it's good

they go through the arm and then disappear under the desk inside a net

[quartz kayak]

Hi

[rapid lake]

fish

check dm

[lost fossil]

uh oh

[quartz kayak]

Nu me and had been into the gaming

[quaint helm]

this exist

[lost fossil]

this shit is so

[snow rover]

wow rog monitor arm

i bet it's totally reasonably priced

[quaint helm]

guess ||250$||

[quaint helm]

as

[quartz kayak]

Thats crazy

Alot of monitors cost around that and they already have a base

🥹

[quartz kayak]

Skizz omg

[charred otter]

In all honesty im like the most average gamer to even notice differences aside from going from a 5800 cpu to a 7800x3d cpu and going from a 6600 gpu to a 9060 gpu
I think it just accepted im gonna have an average pc with all the price increases coming and shit. That's why i expedited the process too cuz i didn't wanna pay more than what i did.

[charred otter]

Hi fish fish

How are you

Where you been

[quartz kayak]

Everywhere

[charred otter]

I got new pc

[quartz kayak]

Fire

Everything is still the same here

[charred otter]

#tech-coding-math message

[charred otter]

Well not everything

[quartz kayak]

I went to the zoo and to the ocaenary i ve been all around the country so i havent been much on until the past week

[charred otter]

WHAT

You went to the zoo

Without me

[quartz kayak]

Yeah

I saw giraffes

[charred otter]

[quartz kayak]

And flamengos

Flamingo

[charred otter]

I saw those at columbus zoo

I saw penguins too

No dolphins thooo

I think i wanna go to Pittsburgh zoo

Next year

Also check dms

[thin turtle]

That's an Ai dolphin

[quartz kayak]

Sorry for this beeing in tech channel i forgor

[cold elbow]

that's definitely flirting

[charred otter]

[thin turtle]

It's always the level 150s doing the most random shit

[charred otter]

Bro you are level 150s

[thin turtle]

[iron pecan]

You must have your DMs open to run this command.

[charred otter]

Oh

Nah id rather just not know my rank

Not opening dms

[lost fossil]

at least 150

[thin turtle]

U 2

[charred otter]

I was close to 200

Like

[thin turtle]

Mods run him down

[charred otter]

Less than 10

I mean i could open dms for like a millisecond

[thin turtle]

Oscar was 150 too

[cold elbow]

why are you guys here instead of playing bf6?

[thin turtle]

Ew

I'd rather play PowerPoint

[cold elbow]

then play powerpoint

[thin turtle]

Ty

[subtle veldt]

np

[charred otter]

Am not home til tomorrow

[civic cloud]

You didn't ask

[thin turtle]

It is naked now @lost fossil

[lost fossil]

i suppose you need to have this enabled all the time

[thin turtle]

Ws in the chat

[civic cloud]

Lewd

[cold elbow]

You can play it next weekend

[charred otter]

Oh is it weekends only

[cold elbow]

Ye

[charred otter]

Mane

[thin turtle]

Jarvis what am I looking at

[rose yacht]

i had to enable tpm 2.0 and secure boot for it

also just now got out of the queue

[thin turtle]

Is this what hot swappable look like @lost fossil

[lost fossil]

that's the opposite

you're fucked

[thin turtle]

Well it work now for some reason

dddd from the keyboard

[civic cloud]

DD

[thin turtle]

😃

[arctic yarrow]

https://www.tomshardware.com/service-providers/network-providers/aol-will-end-dial-up-internet-service-in-september-34-years-after-its-debut-aol-shield-browser-and-aol-dialer-software-will-be-shuttered-on-the-same-day

[lost fossil]

ok

[charred otter]

What is AOL

[arctic yarrow]

Was the largest ISP in the US in the late 90s and early 2000s.

[civic arch]

are artisan mousepads good

[tranquil sail]

do the d work now

[upbeat spade]

my friend has one

are they good? yeah

are they worth it? i guarantee most of you aren't as good at shooters as he is

most people couldn't begin to extract 100 dollars of value out of them

[lost fossil]

what does artisan even mean

[upbeat spade]

arti-san

[lost fossil]

harry-san

[upbeat spade]

😔

[lost fossil]

[twin badger]

Supposed to be top-of-the-line

[lost fossil]

get an opaque ribbed glass cutting board

[quaint helm]

Oleg-san

Arent artisan mousepad just a thick heavy smooth surface pad

[upbeat spade]

everything is a if you overgeneralize everything into a "just an [x]"

[civic cloud]

Fancy name for "guy who makes things"

[civic cloud]

Cars are just boxes with wheels and an engine

[young garden]

me when i forget i have a glass mousepad and accidentally smash it

[upbeat spade]

probably should have bought an artisan instead

they have soft and xsoft options perfect for smashing

[young garden]

oh no i never bought those

i know though if i buy one i'm more likely to break it

[upbeat spade]

someone gave you a glass mousepad? damn

[young garden]

i never had one

[quaint helm]

Psspsss shhh

I swear oldreo thats the worst emote to react with

[civic arch]

100 dollars ????

[upbeat spade]

do you not know what an artisan mousepad is

[civic arch]

i though usd was 1 to 1 with euro

mine was 80€

key83 mid xxl

[upbeat spade]

i'm not american

[civic arch]

gonna see if its legit it comes today

[upbeat spade]

have fun

i need a new mousepad, but my heart wants to pay like 350 dollars for a pen instead

[civic arch]

jade dots too cuz my current skates are ass

one like tore off halfway

[civic arch]

what pen costs that much

[upbeat spade]

quite a lot of them, if you know how to spend money on weird things

[civic arch]

like a pen you write with?

[upbeat spade]

yes

what else do you do with pens

[civic arch]

is it one of those fancy ones you dip into the ink

[upbeat spade]

no, those are cheap

it's one of those fancy ones where the ink is inside the pen

[civic arch]

or those you can fill

[upbeat spade]

i'm not that old-fashioned that i'd go outside with an inkstone and brush 👴

[thin turtle]

It do

[tranquil sail]

good

[thin turtle]

Fr

[quaint helm]

Lum-bean-go

[thin turtle]

[wispy mesa]

Just got a 1500VA UPS, 32in 1080p and a Intel s2000 series server for $500 aud

[nova steppe]

⁉️

[wispy mesa]

saw this coming

[nova steppe]

I was trying to find what server it was to see how good of a deal it was lol

Is a letter or number missing?

[wispy mesa]

ah thats the series, but the model here is s2600wf

[nova steppe]

Ah, okay, that's what popped up

That's a lot of ram slots 🥸

[wispy mesa]

sure is

1.5tb worth

[quaint helm]

cost alot too

[wispy mesa]

Whose the electrical engineer

[snow rover]

no user serviceable parts inside

[wispy mesa]

wrong the battery is

[cold elbow]

we see no battery in the pic

[civic cloud]

Marked with the X

Like a treasure

[cold elbow]

that's a heatsink

silly

[lost fossil]

not mine

[civic cloud]

I love spreading misinformation, just like a heatsink spreads heat

[cold elbow]

i will have you jailed for this

[wispy mesa]

the UPS reports an input voltage of 195v my voltmeter says my wall is 230v

[cold elbow]

voltage regulator might be faulty?

[wispy mesa]

i think its the voltage sense

[cold elbow]

how much voltage its outputing

[lost fossil]

could also be the shitty electricity supply in his area

or voltmeter

[wispy mesa]

it wont output

ive used 2 voltmeters

[cold elbow]

ive seen Offline UPS units output lower voltage when they are on battery source not the wall... like in backup mode

[wispy mesa]

Yea it doesnt output the 195v

bypass mode cant engage bypass because of bypass AC low voltage

and the battery to AC doesnt output

[civic cloud]

nuh uh

[quaint helm]

i think router ero can help frfr

[wispy mesa]

Got the UPS to output had a stable 240v 50hz

i blew some dust out of it

[thin turtle]

Where's this rating

[wispy mesa]

well australia appliances are generally rated for 220 to 240v, the ups just had 240 set so i just changed it to 230 since that matches my wall

Got it to run in normal mode with inverting the sensed 208v to 240v, 2nd time around i only got bypass working with output at 208v which would trip on any large load since anything below 205v causes a low bypass voltage error

[rapid lake]

@civic cloud yo

Can you send a good picture of how you have your PC under the desk?

I might do the same thing for my dezk

[thin turtle]

|Table|
| |
[ PC ]
––––––

Yeah

[lost fossil]

🧃 🖥️ 🖥️
-------------
🔌

[thin turtle]

What are you doing

[lost fossil]

watching youtube videos about poor urban planning practices in russia

[thin turtle]

Have phun

[lost fossil]

thank you

[civic cloud]

It's genuinely just 4 S brackets with a wooden board for the PC to stand on

10/10 finger sketch

I shove the PC in from the front

The wood at the top was only added because of clearance issues back in the day, I don't really need it anymore

[lost fossil]

good shit

[proper sundial]

I like to look over my pc time to time

Wait I love it

[thin turtle]

Add sliding floor

[wispy mesa]

goated service manual https://assets.yoreparo.com/attachments/LI2PNDR9eqZLsNGxn8Er3RKRsKZHca3ogV9GNKsJ.pdf

[proper sundial]

I'll add you in my setup

[lost fossil]

epic phishing

[thin turtle]

[proper sundial]

🪚

[quaint helm]

https://youtu.be/cXVQVbAFh6I?si=itM1YXKKgPDFr_qt ooga booga bye bye consumer chip

[lost fossil]

people are so eager to shit on amd that this satirical take is not even funny 😭

[thin turtle]

It is though

[fickle finch]

i thought that said incel

[lost fossil]

that says a lot about u

[fickle finch]

[thin turtle]

[proper sundial]

This reminds of FiveM gta roleplay server, one guy asked in ooc (out of character) chat that his cpu is 100% and I said "Buy AMD" everyone spammed xD

[grim pasture]

Well AMD is currently just the superior option

[proper sundial]

Indeed

[proper sundial]

And I pinned this comment in that short video

[grim pasture]

beautiful comment

[mystic solar]

I can see why they say “WHAT.” Considering AMD makes and owns Ryzen

[grim pasture]

well yea

just their brand

[mystic solar]

A chipset type

Like threadripper

[grim pasture]

myea

[mystic solar]

It be like someone saying: Apple M4 Max >> Apple

Or M5 Max Idfk what chipset they are on atp

[quaint helm]

m4 only

[mystic solar]

M2026 probably

[quaint helm]

m4 competition

[mystic solar]

They switching iOS from 18 to 26

[quaint helm]

tim cooking

[mystic solar]

Wouldn’t be surprised if they do it w the next iPhones too

[mystic solar]

Trying to match it with the release year although they should’ve done it sooner

iOS 26 Beta is I would NOT recommend getting it unless you have at least the iPhone 16 or 15 pro max

It cannot handle it otherwise

The features of it are fine I guess, kinda mid compared to other OS releases

[rapid lake]

Will a 500w UPS be enough to keep my PC (i5 13400f and 3060 ) along with my monitor (according to msi it draws 53W) on during an outage?

[quaint helm]

if ur cpu and gpu aint overclocked ,i believe its enough

[rapid lake]

I have this but it needs new batteries, better than buying a whole new one for $60-70

[rapid lake]

All stock speeds yeah

[nova steppe]

500W, or 500VA? It should list the maximum wattage per outlet on the ups

[rapid lake]

It’s 600w

1500 VA

Which is

[nova steppe]

Ahh, then you should be fine once you get the replacement battery, yeah

[rapid lake]

But generally this thing is not considered efficient at all right?

[nova steppe]

The ratings are weird

[lost fossil]

wtf is a va anyway

[nova steppe]

Exactly

[lost fossil]

certainly not voice actor

[rapid lake]

Volt ampers

[lost fossil]

i was going to suggest that but it just sounds stupid

[rapid lake]

Which idk what that means either

[nova steppe]

I thought it meant Volts*Amps, so when I got my "550 VA" UPS and it couldn't handle my 450W PC, I got confused

[rapid lake]

Because watts is voltsxamps

[nova steppe]

Exactly

[rapid lake]

So not sure what this is

[quaint helm]

very angelic

[rapid lake]

Ngl

Trying to look up what VA means just keeps making me even more confused

But what’s important is it’s 600w

Doesn’t say anything about mah though so idk how long it might last

Hopefully long enough to finish my CS match so I don’t get banned

Again

[snow rover]

va is just used for reactive loads

[lost fossil]

you'll probably need a ups for your internet box too, then

if the power brick is 5v then u can probably just use a phone power bank

[snow rover]

basically va = max power handling
w = continuous power handling

does that make sense

[rapid lake]

That’s connected to the uh

UPS that we use to power home stuff

Like lights and internet

[lost fossil]

ok good

[rapid lake]

That one lasts quite a while

[rapid lake]

No

How do you measure VA

Oh it just uses a normal acid battery

[quaint helm]

biohazard?

[rapid lake]

I can change this out myself then

But why tf is the battery uh

Blown?

It has a belly

Also seems to have spilled some…acid?

So much for non-spillable

[civic cloud]

You never had an old phone huh?

It's an old as fuck battery and should be discarded

[rapid lake]

I’ve had that happen on my phone

[civic cloud]

Yes see

[rapid lake]

But this is not that old tbh

I changed the battery about a year or two ago and never used it

This liquid is sketchy whatever it is I’m gonna have to be careful with this

The cables are calcified too

Welp, come back to this after work

[nova steppe]

If it was also never plugged in, that's why

You have to disconnect the battery if it's going to sit unplugged for extended periods of time

[muted mantle]

https://www.tori.fi/recommerce/forsale/item/27233597?

i dont have cats anymore

i can get a rig

how does this look

1.3k for a 5700x3d 9070xt setup

ill swap out the ssd if i buy this though

500gb is not enough, say, 2tb

[muted mantle]

those are called 'spicy pillows'

[nova steppe]

if you have a lead acid battery that turns into a spicy pillow, something has gone horrifically wrong

[muted mantle]

am4 is a problem though

[muted mantle]

oh i thought that was just a spicy pillow

its something else

my bad

[thin turtle]

Why is it naked

[muted mantle]

because the pc is so hot 👅

[twin badger]

freaky

[muted mantle]

the guy has the glass panel somewhere

[thin turtle]

:cat_no:

[muted mantle]

with glass

[thin turtle]

So the case is just a

My world is too dusty for this

[void turret]

Where is front and top panel

[muted mantle]

yeah its a

[muted mantle]

idk

[thin turtle]

It's under there

[muted mantle]

(i eated them 💔)

[void turret]

[thin turtle]

You still didn't buy a pc

[rapid lake]

If that’s a pillow then it’s the hardest pillow ever

The bulge is hard

[snow rover]

🤨

[rapid lake]

What

Oh

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[vagrant crown]

First time in here and senior mods are talking about their bulge

[muted mantle]

i havent even put this up for sale

[rapid lake]

These white builds are so good

[muted mantle]

cool looking but am4 is an issue

[rapid lake]

But I prefer something more lowkey tbh

[rapid lake]

You want a prebuilt right?

[muted mantle]

i want to build my own pc which i already have planned

this is cheaper

[lost fossil]

this highkey the best channel together with #anime-manga

[muted mantle]

i could replace the mb with this one in the future if i were to upgrade to am/ddr5

exact same mb but chipset is different

[lost fossil]

it's black tho
with a layer of white plastic

no bueno

[muted mantle]

so is this one

[rapid lake]

I don’t think upgrading to am5 alone is worth it if you’re not also getting a GPU that’s more powerful

If your cpu can keep up (and beat) your gpu then upgrading to am5 is kinda useless

[muted mantle]

9070xt not powerful enough?

[rapid lake]

9070xt good

Why not go with am5 to begin with

[muted mantle]

would a 7700x be slow enough for 9070xt?

[muted mantle]

man i donnow

buying used pcs is cheaper

[rapid lake]

Wdym slow enougt

[muted mantle]

ok let me rephrase that

would a 7700x not hinder the gpu? as in bottlenecking?

[rapid lake]

It’s sufficient

If you don’t wanna pay extra for a 7800x3D

And unless you want to play competitive games at 240+ fps then you don’t need a 7800X3D

Is it just me or are the ZTT prebuilts expensive asf

Like this is 1.2k?

[muted mantle]

7800x3d is the best you can get with AM4, and it's equal with 7700x, my current CPU

[muted mantle]

ZTT?

[nova steppe]

the 5800X3D*

[snow rover]

7800x3d is not am4

[muted mantle]

Oh yeah 5800x3d not 7800x3d mb

[nova steppe]

i was like, "Shit, i coulda upgraded even more??"

[muted mantle]

7800x3d was a good performance cpu right? Like one of the best 400-500€ range cpus

[nova steppe]

but i need a better gpu than anything else. well, more vram

[thin turtle]

The best cpu for gaming

[rapid lake]

In the meantime consider: less demanding games

[rapid lake]

Zach

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/QN4LlKAyiNc

This guy

[nova steppe]

i play the same 5 games, and i want them to perform well

[rapid lake]

You have 3060 right

[nova steppe]

3070ti

[rapid lake]

Oh

And it’s struggling?

[nova steppe]

the performance of the chip isn't the problem, it's the lack of vram

[rapid lake]

Ah

8gb

The 5070ti is $800

[nova steppe]

[rapid lake]

I want to say that’s not bad but it’s just that we’ve gotten used to these ridiculous prices

You’re probably better off finding a used 3090 or smth

[nova steppe]

i wanted an on-sale 3080, but it was out of stock, so I "settled" for the 3070ti, and every time I settle for something I don't want, it bites me in the ass

[civic cloud]

here:

[rapid lake]

If the 3090 second hand would drop down to like $400 or slightly less next year I’ll buy it for sure

[thin turtle]

[thin turtle]

Bro I should've came to Lebanon when the opportunity presented itself

[civic cloud]

theres a neat guide for minimalism: dont buy a problem, if its not at least a 9/10 dont buy it (also applies to clothes and furniture)

[thin turtle]

"Went"

[rapid lake]

Actually probably less than that

$300 would be bice

[thin turtle]

[thin turtle]

Impossible

Maybe when the 6090 drop

[rapid lake]

Gl coming here now

Although I did meet a guy from the UK here today

[thin turtle]

Are you having war again

[rapid lake]

Not right now no

[nova steppe]

this was years ago and I hadn't looked up performance stuff, but it was better to have gotten it than nothing overall. It was during Black Friday sales so everything was going out of stock

[rapid lake]

I mean it’s about $480 rn

The problem is that it’s so good

And that’s also what makes it good

[thin turtle]

Steal

[rapid lake]

This is crazy

[civic cloud]

okidoki

[rapid lake]

Water cooled gpu but intel stock cooler

[thin turtle]

But isn't the 3090 close to 3080 Ti

[civic cloud]

dude put 90% budget into the gpu and cooling

[rapid lake]

With mustard and ketchup cables

[thin turtle]

Like very close

[rapid lake]

And bruh

That mobo

H110

[thin turtle]

[rapid lake]

One stick of ram no heatsink

[rapid lake]

Perhaps

Less vram though

3080ti from Palit for $380

Wait no

$350

[nova steppe]

coom cooling

[thin turtle]

Bro buy

[nova steppe]

and that pc either has to be a joke or a testbed, i refuse to believe that those parts were intentional

[thin turtle]

Don't matter

Send me your bank details

[nova steppe]

and switch to dark mode if your phone's at 5% tf

[thin turtle]

I'll buy it

[rapid lake]

LMAO it does look like that

[rapid lake]

I’m using fb on browser

Don’t think I can do that

[nova steppe]

F

[rapid lake]

I gotta drop like $140 on monitor arm and new monitor

And some more on other accessories I shall buy

[thin turtle]

GPU>MONITOR

[rapid lake]

Nein

Double monitor look

All I be playing is GTA and CS2 anyways

Some BF6

And RDR2 if I get bored of all the above

It bugs me why they don’t include tax with the prices

$36 monitor arm is now $40 + $3 for delivery $43

$89 monitor becomes like $98

[thin turtle]

[rapid lake]

Ordered the dual arm just now

Monitor once everything is done and I get the electrician to route LAN cable to my room

@civic cloud never sent the pic I asked for

[thin turtle]

He was busy

[nova steppe]

is getting the electrician to do that cheaper than getting a powerline adapter? I've never used one myself, so I can only bring them up like this

[snow rover]

you don't need an electrician to do ethernet cables

[thin turtle]

You just need that long ass wire thingy

I couldn't find it

[civic cloud]

@rapid lake???????

i did

youre just blind af

sketch AND pic

[nova steppe]

is that fan to pull exhaust heat away, to cool the area next to it, or is it just there rn?

[civic cloud]

its just there

i put it in front of my window for speedy ventilation

[nova steppe]

[civic cloud]

its going to have a proper storage spot after my room remodeling (bought a murphy bed)

[thin turtle]

Hadi he actually sent @rapid lake

[rapid lake]

I don’t have the tool to get the cable through the very tight tubes in the walls

We don’t have a circuit map either and it’s going from the living room where the router is all the way across the hallway and to my room

[rapid lake]

A what

[nova steppe]

network over the power-carrying copper in your walls

[civic cloud]

I used to have these

Worked fine

[wispy mesa]

They can be a hit or miss, really depends on the wiring in a house

[rapid lake]

I see

I thought it was all wood

I cba to go and get those S brackets for the woodworker because he won’t do them himself

So I’ll just ask him to make it out of wood and then I’ll get those brackets later

[rapid lake]

Wiring in our house is kind of (really) messed up I don’t think the phone line runs all the way my room

[civic cloud]

If you have access to a metal workshop you could just get a beeeeeeeg sheet of steel and bend it twice at 90° to get a C Shape

[vagrant crown]

Better off with a mesh system with dedicated backhaul and use the Ethernet from one of the satellites.

Mine works a treat

[rapid lake]

I’d be happy with anything that works

Until I move out and do everything as I want

I mean, can you imagine that instead of running wires (sattelite tv and internet cable) through the dedicated pipes on the roof which lead to the apartment’s wiring, instead they just hand the cable down from the roof and drill a holl through the walls for it?

You cannot fix this

Granted those same pipes were literally sending rainwater down one of the outlets in the walls because they aren’t properly covered or sealed

Little perspective on a fourth world country

[vagrant crown]

https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChsSEwiygeyo0oOPAxUtlVAGHQeyBGMYACICCAEQMRoCZGc&co=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIsoHsqNKDjwMVLZVQBh0HsgRjEAQYASABEgKLxPD_BwE&sph=&sig=AOD64_0vRRIhBoM_yid3yIhVxU6S4NNEmg&ctype=46&q=&ved=2ahUKEwiy_-ao0oOPAxU9QkEAHU_8HB0QzzkoAHoECAYQDQ&adurl=
This is what I have and it’s decent, you can get better ones of course.

[civic cloud]

The Powerline adapters are like 40-100 bucks, depending on what you get

[rapid lake]

Can you explain what this is

[vagrant crown]

WiFi mesh system

[rapid lake]

That’s very informative

[vagrant crown]

So first one would replace your router or could run alongside it then the others you setup where you want in the house

[rapid lake]

Seems way out of my budget though and not something I need

[rapid lake]

So it’s just like wifi extenders for your main router

Those don’t work that well

[vagrant crown]

It’s better than WiFi extenders

[rapid lake]

We got thick walls

[rapid lake]

How so

[vagrant crown]

I don’t know how to explain it as I’m not an expert lol

But they talk to each other and have a dedicated backhaul channel which frees up the channels you use

[rapid lake]

Do the other ones connect through cables in the walls instead of wirelessly

[vagrant crown]

No it’s all wireless

[rapid lake]

So then it’s just glorified wifi extenders

[vagrant crown]

But they all have Ethernet ports giving you Ethernet anywhere

[rapid lake]

Only these look cuter and can communicate with each other

I mean it’s cool and all but not what I’m looking for

Wifi coverage is good everywhere here unless you’re using a phone fron 2010

But for the gaming and whatnot LAN is the only way

I just need one cable

[vagrant crown]

Best get the old extendo cable out then I guess

Like I have the main one in the hallway and then the others spread out mainly where I need to plug lan cables in.

[lost fossil]

where are you from?

what i'm saying is that a mesh system is not a be all and end all solution when your walls are made from something other than wood and cardboard

[vagrant crown]

Uk

I never said it was the holy grail lol

[lost fossil]

i gotta commend had for putting in the efford to get wired network to his room

[vagrant crown]

Just said it was decent for me

[lost fossil]

i also have a mesh system at home

but i also have an ethernet cable going to my room

[civic cloud]

Link is uk

so

[lost fossil]

it's .com, not .co.uk

[civic cloud]

Click it

[vagrant crown]

It does open to Argos.co.uk

[civic cloud]

Click it like you click a free nitro link

[lost fossil]

😩

[civic cloud]

Click it hard bb

[thin turtle]

[civic cloud]

Are you jealous

[thin turtle]

come fix my pc under za table

[civic cloud]

You want me to work under your table?

This is sexual harassment

I'm reporting you to HR

[thin turtle]

[vagrant crown]

Good old ai

[lost fossil]

moron spelled backwards

Moron spelled backwards is oreo

[rapid lake]

I never thought I would tbh

But wifi is unusable especially when the dongle can’t even get full bars from 5 meters away

[lost fossil]

my rule of toe is that if a device doesn't move around, i connect it with a cable

[rapid lake]

Eventually I want to switch to a more reputable ISP not this local one, then I’ll be using phone lines which I can easily route to wherever I want because they’re so thin

And I’ll have a bunch of routers everywhere or smth

[lost fossil]

that's not how that works

i don't think that's how that works

[rapid lake]

2 routers

One for the whole house

And then one for me

[lost fossil]

just get a cable going to your room and connect it to a network hub in your room

[rapid lake]

I pay mine and the other ones my parents pay

[lost fossil]

respawnsible

[rapid lake]

Why network hub

I need to plug in one thing

[lost fossil]

well, when you need to connect another thing, put a network hub there then

i thought you had something else there too, not just the pc

[rapid lake]

Maybe if I get like a raspberry pi or smth, or another PC

Or a server

Lots of hmmthings

I just wanna stop spending money

But then all this cool stuff appears

[brave field]

idk what the context is but unmanaged switches are king and also $8

[rapid lake]

Stuff I probably don’t need lmao, like I don’t even need a second monitor tbh

[rapid lake]

I’ll get one when I need one

But what I’m saying is no one told me getting a PC would trigger a chain of purchases from stuff like peripherals to things that just look cool and other things I don’t need

I even got to changing my room, which has been like this since 20 years or more

[lost fossil]

it's all for the greater good

[rapid lake]

Crazy stuff

[rapid lake]

Absolutely

[brave field]

It's better this way

spend money on wired internet and good displays. Some spend it all on RGB fans and end up having to double spend

[steel sentinel]

that's not how it works unless you have specific segmentation requirements (besides a router can do all that anyway)

I have multiple routers at home because multiple lines - I have two symmetrical 500mbps lines coming in for home-work stuff, and they're on separate routers which connect to each other for load balancing and backup connected to a meraki network, a higher-end consumer fiber line for home-only stuff + general entertainment connected to a unifi network, and a 200mb line with a dedicated vpn+rotating vps setup for gaming with no wireless and a unifi non-wireless router

[rapid lake]

I just don’t want anything to interfere with my internet

With the speeds we get here that’s not possible unless you have your own internet just for you

Any load will make the internet slower and add a noticeable latency

[steel sentinel]

as i said, you get one router per internet line

[rapid lake]

I know

These lines can barely even handle like 80mbps anyways

[steel sentinel]

VDSL would be 80mbps max

[rapid lake]

Unless they started routing the new ones

Slightly faster I’m sure

[steel sentinel]

depends on the access policies for your area i guess
but if it's purely vdsl then it's prolly not much faster
the big killer with VDSL tho is the upload speed which is pretty critical to gaming
fiber can be so much better (if you pay for higher tiers or if the lines offered in your area are symmetrical as it is in certain countries)

[rapid lake]

Fiber coverage is so bad here

They move like turtles

The country is literally smaller than a small state

Granted, these local ISPs have 1GB fiber I’m pretty sure, they just sort of distribute it into slower speeds

And they work with (or for) other bigger companies, though they do not represent them

[steel sentinel]

it's more about the demand for links in a certain area as well
i had the problem when i lived in the south of france a while back
one of the richest areas on this planet and i couldn't even get fiber in our sticky-out bit on the coast
i had to buy a microwave backhaul link from the other side of the bay because i didn't want to deal with the latency of satellite
when that went out I only had adsl 💀

[brave field]

Do you pay full price for the Cisco stuff? @steel sentinel
And are your router/modems/APs all separate components?

[steel sentinel]

well yes ofc, well i am now

my home network was managed by an msp until quite recently and they only do a rental model with the meraki stuff
and i was actually paying way more than the equipment cost because that supposedly included support
i had more than a few problems with them so was already in the process of getting rid of the msp, and now i have more time i decided just to rearchitect the entire network myself

i didn't want to over-futz on a daily basis babysitting stuff and i also wanted functional compatibility for work so my home-work network is meraki and the rest is unifi

[brave field]

sounds really fun

[steel sentinel]

not really
i just need it to work and for me to be able to make the changes i need quickly

I would rather have got someone else in but the problem is despite not being in IT I'm more capable with it than most in IT so watching them work annoys me

[iron hatch]

[quaint helm]

No rom , no read only memory , oreo have no storage

[jovial tide]

Yooo

[limber bough]

alright so like I said CPUs and GPUs are the most important, the cpu takes care of core logic in games, like AI and physics, ACs (anti cheats) also eat up some cpu processing power if included in a game, gpus take care of visuals in general

your best choices are an AMD CPU and a Nvidia GPU, Intel CPUs are unnecessarily overpriced so just skip them

[jovial tide]

what about like a cooler? I see some people have water or fans in their pcs?

[limber bough]

necessary to keep temp low, those stuff are always cheap so no need to prioritise them

[hardy coral]

theres two cooling solutions
Air and water
air is pretty self explanatory, the heatsink absorbs heat from the components and it gets cooled by fans
water has essentially two types:
all in ones and custom water loops
all in ones are a little pricey but usually are better for cooling the more power hungry pc's
custom loops are stupid expensive, hard to maintain and dont offer much performance increase unless you are doing stuff like overclocking

i would just get something like the peerless assasin 120 which is a very cheap and beefy air cooler, ive installed one myself and its suuuper straight forward

[jovial tide]

im scared the water might screw up the pc

[quaint helm]

custom loop might have chance , aio 0 chance

[hardy coral]

yea

[quaint helm]

chance will be high if the fittings not suitable (even like few mm might have chance to leak water)

[jovial tide]

Ima go w air

[quaint helm]

peerless SE cost like 30$ ish or lower

[hardy coral]

its crazy how cheap it is

[jovial tide]

What other components make up a pc besides gpu and cpu?

[quaint helm]

mobo , psu , ram , storage and case

[jovial tide]

Im going to need a rundown on what those are

[hardy coral]

motherboard (where the cpu, gpu, ram and storage connect)
power supply (what feeds electricity to all the parts)
ram ( short access memory basically, it stores data temporarily and sends it to the cpu)
cpu (brains of the operation, processes data)
gpu (graphics card, processes the video output)
storage (be it a hard drive, a solid state drive or an nvme solid state drive, it stores your files and stuff)
case (where everything is built on)

[jovial tide]

Is the cooling optional?

[quaint helm]

no

[hardy coral]

nope

[quaint helm]

its a must else u will thermalthrottle or cant even on your computer

[hardy coral]

parts get electricity fed to them, that generates heat that needs to be removed to prevent parts from overheating and keep them performing as good as possible

[quaint helm]

mobo , psu , ram , cpu , storage and cpu fan = minimum

[jovial tide]

Ok

Whats not minimum

Like extras

[quaint helm]

gpu and case

[jovial tide]

like another one?

[quaint helm]

wym another one

[jovial tide]

I see

[hardy coral]

fans

well kinda

[jovial tide]

Gpu isnt in the minimum

[hardy coral]

if you have a higher end system you do need more air flowing

[hardy coral]

it is for gaming

[quaint helm]

because theres cpu with igpu

[hardy coral]

some cpus come with an integrated graphics section but they dont perform great in gaming

though amd has been killing it with their igpus recently

[jovial tide]

Wtf is igpu!?

[hardy coral]

integrated graphics processing unit

a mini graphics card that comes with some cpus

[quaint helm]

ive seen HEDT with like 4 fans only aerodynamic moment

[hardy coral]

like in the little square that is the cpu

[hardy coral]

i mean fair

[jovial tide]

Is it two separate things?

[hardy coral]

no

it comes together

[quaint helm]

its on the cpu itself like next to the cpu-die or below

[jovial tide]

Igpu comes with cpu but not gpu?

[hardy coral]

the igpu comes with the cpu

the igpu is a gpu

[quaint helm]

ok so igpu is like a weaker version of dedicated gpu , while gpu = gpu.....

[jovial tide]

But the gpu isnt the gpu

i need definitions on cpu,gpu, and igpu

Clarifications*

[hardy coral]

☝️

[quaint helm]

🖥 CPU (Central Processing Unit)

Often called the “brain” of the computer.

Handles general-purpose processing — running programs, executing instructions, managing system tasks.

Good at sequential tasks and decision-making.

Example: Intel Core i7, AMD Ryzen 5.

🎮 GPU (Graphics Processing Unit)

A processor designed for parallel processing.

Originally made for rendering images, videos, and animations, but also used for heavy math tasks like AI, simulations, and crypto mining.

Can be dedicated (separate card with its own memory, e.g., NVIDIA RTX 4060) or integrated into the CPU.

💻 iGPU (Integrated GPU)

A GPU that’s built into the CPU or motherboard.

Shares system memory (RAM) instead of having its own VRAM.

More power-efficient and cheaper, but less powerful than a dedicated GPU.

Example: Intel Iris Xe, AMD Radeon Vega (integrated).

hope u understand chatgpt's info

[hardy coral]

i was about to say that it seemed like chat gpt wrote that until i saw the last line 😭

[quaint helm]

if someone who cant understand chatgpt info they might need help frfr

[hardy coral]

console players

plug and play is destroying tech literacy

those damn phones

[jovial tide]

so igpu comes separately? How can you take apart igpu from cpu?

[hardy coral]

it comes with the cpu, in the same little square
and no you cant separate them

but you can have an igpu and a regular gpu in the same pc

[quaint helm]

ok if u want a deeper info igpu-die is with cpu's die itself like fused together inside the die

[jovial tide]

So igpu doesnt matter if its connected to the cpu then

[jovial tide]

What is die?

[quaint helm]

wiat this image is small

this is the cpu-die layout/design (5600g's die)

[hardy coral]

you are going to confuse them

even more

[quaint helm]

u can see the dark blue ish like below the green/lime colour its the igpu

[quaint helm]

too bad since he is confused about why igpu is with cpu

[jovial tide]

Yeaaa idk

[quaint helm]

the red circle on blue , another red circle on dark blue = gpu

[jovial tide]

Okkk where the igpu?

[quaint helm]

red circle on dark blue = igpu ............

[jovial tide]

Is the igpu not connected to the cpu?

[quaint helm]

it is connected it talks to each other

[jovial tide]

Sure

But its not on the chart…

[quaint helm]

this part is the igpu

[jovial tide]

Zen cord is cpu?

[quaint helm]

indeed

[jovial tide]

Okokok

What is psu?

[quaint helm]

power supply unit

[jovial tide]

that the plug in?

[quaint helm]

yes it plug in into hardware to supply power

[jovial tide]

Psu important?

Can I get away with getting a cheap one or the better the better?

[quaint helm]

yes......get a mid-better one

cheap one will turn ur whole pc into bomb have been planted

[jovial tide]

Okokok

[quaint helm]

let me ask you.....is it important to have battery for ur phone , is it important to have electricity for your house

[jovial tide]

Both

But electricity powers them both

im confused 😵‍💫

Storage is like storage for storage?

[quaint helm]

yes.........

[jovial tide]

like gb/tb for game storage and what not

Its important but for more preferences?

Depending on which games I run im assuming

[quaint helm]

hdd : most of the time its to store ur stuff that isnt important
ssd/nvme : sometimes it use to store OS and some games

[jovial tide]

What is os?

Hdd

Ssd

Nvme

unfamiliar with this

[hardy coral]

operating system (windows)

[hardy coral]

hard drive, old type of storage with a mechanical disc

[hardy coral]

solid state drive, a more modern type of storage

[hardy coral]

nvme are a type of ssd that are (usually) connected directly to the motherboard instead of through a cable

theyre faster than regular ssd drives

im really dumbing this down

[quaint helm]

ok so all 3 have pros and cons
HardDisk drive pros : more storage for cheaper cost , Cons : slow
Solid state drive pros : fast , cons : slight expensive
non volatile memory pros : very fast , cons very expensive

[jovial tide]

Damn

custom sounds more expensive than prebuilt

No?

[quaint helm]

Another way

[jovial tide]

Buy prebuilt and upgrade?

that sounds even more expensive

[quaint helm]

Ummmm imo just stick to custom

U can choose better part for cheaper price sometimes

[thin turtle]

If you don't have enough to get the target build, just invest all the money in future proofing

[quaint helm]

Only future proof ur cooler and psu lol

[jovial tide]

What is “future proofing”?

[thin turtle]

• Midrange motherboard that supports DDR5
• somewhat fast ddr5
• a good PSU
• a good cooler

[jovial tide]

Wtf

Whats a ddr5?

[thin turtle]

Then you may upgrade the CPU, GPU and SSD however you like

[quaint helm]

Wait how old are you?

[jovial tide]

im middle aged i think

[thin turtle]

RAM form factor or something

[jovial tide]

Mid 20’s

[thin turtle]

Basically the generation

[jovial tide]

How old are yall!?!?

[thin turtle]

A midrange motherboard are the ones start with B

[quaint helm]

Double data rate , the number is generation

[jovial tide]

?????

[thin turtle]

B760
B860
B850

[thin turtle]

[jovial tide]

yeah yall are on some stuff

[thin turtle]

Ok bye

[jovial tide]

Wtf is this!?

[thin turtle]

Google it

[quaint helm]

How can u forget the one and only b650 series

[thin turtle]

It doesn't support ddr5

[jovial tide]

What is the current generation ddr?

[thin turtle]

5

[quaint helm]

Thats b550 , b650 support am5 lol

[jovial tide]

What can I get away with?

[quaint helm]

Just wait for camm2 and maybe am6 if u dont plan to upgrade like this or next year

[thin turtle]

Ooh

[jovial tide]

I dont know what that is

[thin turtle]

Nothing worth

It's cheap enough

[jovial tide]

ddr5?

[thin turtle]

Yeah

DDR4 is like slightly cheaper and way slower

[lost fossil]

i think y'all are being trolled

[thin turtle]

I'm just farming exp

[quaint helm]

Almost 20s

[lost fossil]

at the cost of your mental health

[quaint helm]

Troll-reo

[thin turtle]

[jovial tide]

….

I literally only play console. All of this is new to me

[jovial tide]

Does any of this come with what I posted?

[civic cloud]

Why are you posting my factorio map

[quaint helm]

Leaked noobie

[civic cloud]

ur the noob

I bet you don't even grow the factory