tech-coding-math

[agile siren]

since CML 2.7 cisco started including IOL images. these are super lite waight images.

i can run like 20 of these loaded with features and CPU usage stays under 1%

[civic cloud]

do you get paid by cisco for advertising

also

the message ajay

[agile siren]

dude, it was and still a paid software and only way to get hands on virtual device images to lab/practice besides having a cisco contract or something. now its available for free with some limitation, but still good enough for someone who just want to play around with some features or practice on tiny labs.

[agile siren]

no

[civic cloud]

Bitch

[civic cloud]

it was a joke

[agile siren]

-_-

[civic cloud]

:3

[lost fossil]

https://youtu.be/bl22smBooyE?t=260 "let's put some load on the minor" aris hold up

[jovial tide]

😰

[sharp coyote]

Low end Ce-link moment

Same for gf a3 kekw

[cold elbow]

Are you guys excited for new intel ARC gpus?

[lost fossil]

the redemption arc

[lilac heath]

Yeah more competition is always good for consumers

But this chart can be a bit misleading because it is representing perfomance per dollar and not actual performance

In reality i dont think B580 is gonna be 32% faster than 4060

[latent drum]

front intel cherry picked benchmarks they seem kinda horrible

RTX 2070 super ass level of performance

[lilac heath]

Atleast it has 12gigs vram unlike 4060 with only 8💀

[latent drum]

these are coming out in 2025

shelf life of milk?

if AMD launching all cheap first in janurary like their leaked road map then intel is already more shitters in

[lilac heath]

13th dec

This year

[latent drum]

in the US not global

i guess it does make sense to launch both in other places at the same time

they probably dont want to miss out on christmas season or whatever

[lilac heath]

Well intel just said 13th Dec in the launch event

Atleast for the B580

[willow nymph]

259? Right

Or something like that

[lilac heath]

249

[willow nymph]

They said it’s 1440 p gpu

[latent drum]

unless Nvidia decides to re launch the 3060 again somehow or AMD fucks this completey up, i seriously dont understand where this card fits in the current market yet teh future one

[willow nymph]

But we will see 😅😅

[lilac heath]

Yeah

[latent drum]

is the 2070 a 1440p gpu?

[willow nymph]

I mean

Like

It’s ok

But

[latent drum]

thinking about it

if its 10% slower than a 4060

[lilac heath]

Obviously u are not gonna expect it to run new games at 1440p

[latent drum]

doesnt that just puts it at the A770 level?

[willow nymph]

Yeah

[lilac heath]

It is a 1080p card at best for new games because most games are unoptimized

[latent drum]

or old games

like you aint running Cyperpunk at 1440p

[lilac heath]

With upscaling

[willow nymph]

What cpu are you gonna pair it up with

Tho

[lilac heath]

But def not native

[latent drum]

yeah

cyperpunk is a 5 yo game that doesnt look that good

[willow nymph]

What cpu are you gonna pair it up with

[latent drum]

the only recent game that card hit native 1440p without i failed at programming assist scaling is god of war

from 2018

which is already an insanely optimized game

[lilac heath]

4060?

[latent drum]

the B580

in intels benchmark

[lilac heath]

Oh

[lilac heath]

Well Intel must have handpicked best performing games

[latent drum]

it really sucks dick for a card releasing in 2025

[lilac heath]

Better to wait for a comparison vid from Hardware unboxed when it launches on 13th

[lilac heath]

Bruh

[latent drum]

even if it was just like 259$ for the limited edition, AIB cards have a 300$ MSRP

[lilac heath]

It is still better than 4060
atleast on paper,specs wise

[latent drum]

intel is claiming its 10% faster

over all

[lilac heath]

Because most newer games require more vram at high/ultra settings

[latent drum]

and 10% slower in raster from what i understand

[lilac heath]

[latent drum]

the card does seem to have very fast ray tracing and thats what intel is banking on

[lilac heath]

Yeah but i dont think ray tracing is a useful feature for budget segment

[latent drum]

yeah '

[latent drum]

to be fair if someone with 2 braincells is going to buy a budget gpu, they arent getting a 4060

[lilac heath]

Sure it is good to have but what's the point in playing at 20fps with path tracing

[latent drum]

a person getting a 4060 is getting a 4060 for a nvidia specific thing

[lilac heath]

Fr

[latent drum]

like a Uni program or some editing program, or low budget blender

since intel and AMD at this point suck at most stuff outside of gaming

[lilac heath]

Atleast with more competition it will force nvidia and amd to lower down the price of 4060 and rx7600

[latent drum]

the 7600 xt is already at like 300-320$ for AIBs

which is faster than a 4060 and got like 16gb of vram

[lilac heath]

Yeah but i was talking about the non xt one

[latent drum]

that isnt really a fair comparison but yeah

intel wanting to hit that 270$ so badly is as shitty as nvidias founder editions

[lilac heath]

[latent drum]

remember to buy used

if you can buy used, you can get next gen performance for less money

and you keep money circulating outside of their pockets

telling them "maybe next time next gen perforance shouldnt be in last gen as well"

[cold elbow]

I think intel launching a really cheap card might get them somewhere because guys dont forget these cards support new technologies like AV encoder and more ray tracing cores...
Plus having good amount of vram so some people will find good use in these
I think everyone is just waiting for how drivers are going to be.

[latent drum]

majority of people dont care about av encoders, or linux support

thats the reality check part

these cards arent even cheap to make, hence why intel is doing the 270$ for a limited time

their die sizes are ugly big

the position intel is in right now is tough

they need to offer something to the table, real claps

a single good gpu can be the game changer like the 5700xt

[lost fossil]

are the temps low tho?

[latent drum]

we do not know

[lost fossil]

on the previous gen i mean

[latent drum]

the TDP is 200W, way higher than cards in that teir

[lost fossil]

amd and intel can't keep their cpus cool (for the amount of power that they draw, anyway) bc their dies are the size of a pinky nail

[latent drum]

same as the 4070 is impressive lol

[lost fossil]

if this card has a yuge die then that's a lot of surface area so it will probably be able to stay cool

[latent drum]

as big as a 4070

same power as a 4070

not a 4070

tbf if intel was selling 300$ 4070 it would make nvidia and AMD shit themself

like actually do

if intel is selling a 4070 at 300$ at HALF the die size then god knows what the fuck the B770 is like

black magic 4080 TI type shit at 400$

[twin badger]

Not necessarily true. Way more people in general trust Nvidia and will buy it, because they are more familiar with the brand.

Brand recognition goes a long way

especially for the less tech savvy

[twin badger]

They are looking decent, i just want their software to mature up

And that is gonna take a while

But i do see the potential

[latent drum]

it does

AMD and Intel both are losing market share

iam talking about a tech literate person

not NPC mega consumers that buy the package

[twin badger]

I mean... what as a tech literate person would you really expect from a 4060? Ok, there's DLSS but that's about it, raytracing is pointless, productivity is gonna be meh due to the VRAM amount

It's not even deserving the name of a 4060

the specs sheet is more reminiscent of a 4050

[latent drum]

if you are on a tight budget and you need a nvidia card you have to buy a nvidia card

either for university or something that requires it

[twin badger]

At least do it in a smart way then, buy last gen

[latent drum]

some recent stuff only run on the 30-40 series which sucks but that will change in the future

[twin badger]

what stuff?

[latent drum]

Sc stuff

[twin badger]

?

[latent drum]

thats really niche though

[latent drum]

because it is

[twin badger]

Even the die of it is a 107

[latent drum]

if you have looked at the least leaks all the way back

like around 6 months before the 4000 series came out

the 4050 had the same specs as the current 4060

[latent drum]

some of them are on 106

that goes for all of them since nvidia changed how the lineup works

[twin badger]

That would be the Ti version

regular one is 107

[latent drum]

early 2024 nvidia started making 4070s on 104

[twin badger]

Either way, its pretty strange how there is no 4050 anymore

[latent drum]

nope, that changed few months ago

[twin badger]

theres 4060

[latent drum]

nvidia burning all the dies

they are literally willing to kill the cores than discount shit

[twin badger]

Even if they changed it up, majority of the cards will have 107

[latent drum]

yeah, iam just saying how scummy they are

[twin badger]

Eh, water is wet, they have been scummy for like a decade now

dating all the way back to the 970

[latent drum]

i sadly cant move away from them

[twin badger]

Thats the unfortunate part

[latent drum]

they do have some stuff in gaming as well

[twin badger]

Just not enough competition

[latent drum]

DLAA remains my most fav feature these cards got

[twin badger]

Scalpers, man...

ridiculous

This is what happens when there is no competition

[exotic patrol]

this is running way better than i expected for a celeron

[rapid lake]

What’s that

2 cores at 1.1 GHz

[wispy mesa]

at 6watts

[zenith turret]

oof

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxjGExuse7OFgfW24J88AgjKUn5h9XJs_G also

[twin badger]

Gotta love how it's "RTX" but doesn't even support raytracing

[cold elbow]

My windows 10 install idles on 1.3 GB ram

[exotic patrol]

Which version

[cold elbow]

Latest

[exotic patrol]

I do have 22h2 dual booted and it idles on 2.2

[cold elbow]

U should use the install script and reinstall windows

[exotic patrol]

that's a clean windows install

[cold elbow]

Is it clean tho?

I can see edge

Which means you are not using the script

[exotic patrol]

ye for w11 I didn't use any scripts

but which script are you referring to for 10

[cold elbow]

It works for both

A tiny files that you put inside the installation ISO

[exotic patrol]

oh that

[cold elbow]

It will remove and disable all the crap

[exotic patrol]

no I did use it on 10 and didn't do much

I think the reason why it doesn't matter is because windows update will just reinstall all of it and because it's a laptop it will reinstall a whole bunch of drivers and pretty much every single one of them has its own bloatware app

[cold elbow]

Nope

You probably didn't use the same file i used because it removes stuff even from registry

[exotic patrol]

well send the file

[cold elbow]

Even window update wont bring them back

[exotic patrol]

let me see

[cold elbow]

I will when i switch to pc

For now i nap

[civic cloud]

nap

[rapid lake]

Napping makes you more tired

[anecdotal] evidence is me

[civic cloud]

Power napping for 20min is the key 🤝

[rapid lake]

Right

So you sleep long enough that you feel guilty you wasted valuable time, but short enough that it doesn’t actually matter

Therefore you get to work

And this is math so it’s totally relevant to this channel

[civic cloud]

No I can either feel miserable during the afternoon eepyness or I just lay down and take my nap and feel better afterwards

[exotic patrol]

ok

[exotic patrol]

I guess we're not seeing that file today

[civic cloud]

She's probably napping

[jovial tide]

I mean, she did say that

[twin badger]

Aint no power nap lasting 20 minutes for me

Usually far too tired

[cold elbow]

That was a bit excessive nap

[twin badger]

Thanks

This resonates with me pretty well

[exotic patrol]

ok but where's the file

[cold elbow]

there ya gooo

[lost fossil]

nice virus melon ty

i will download it now

[brave field]

Scary scary

[exotic patrol]

Windows could not parse the unattend answer file because value <ProductKey> is invalid

[exotic patrol]

Ok I added a generic product key to the file

let's see if the 1.3gb of ram is real or not

[exotic patrol]

i think its safe to say that file did nothing

Chrome only takes 200mb so it's not that

[mellow steppe]

@thin turtle @forest umbra these

Tf is this?!

And i saw worse

[forest umbra]

Wtf is that

[mellow steppe]

Looks like a fucking foot

[forest umbra]

Looks like a sex toy

[mellow steppe]

Right?!

[thin turtle]

That's an iron

[mellow steppe]

Wish it was

[thin turtle]

What is it then

[mellow steppe]

A pc mouse...

...

[thin turtle]

Anyway this is math channel

I can ask you to solve laplace transforms

[mellow steppe]

Oh of course, like i got the will power to do math all of a sudden.

Dönt be like John from the math problems xD
Having to solve John's shit. He should do it himself

Man up John

[thin turtle]

Math is kinda fun

[civic cloud]

anyone got an idea how i can get my PC to not think that my SSDs are USB sticks

[exotic patrol]

😭

[civic cloud]

y u crying

[lost fossil]

hm

[civic cloud]

using google is crazy when i got you guys here

[cold elbow]

gus you are cooked

[civic cloud]

fym cooked, its been like this for years

[lost fossil]

yeah but i never had an internal drive being detected as removable unless it's a vm or the drive is connected via a pcie sata controller

[civic cloud]

i just have them connected via sata

like directly onto the board

[cold elbow]

goofy ahh board

[civic cloud]

gigabyte bs

[cold elbow]

maybe your board supports some kind of hot swap

and you have that enabled

[civic cloud]

fuck do i know

it probably does considering the price

[cold elbow]

the price is just you wasting money not like getting something better

[civic cloud]

yes

this isnt new

[unreal iron]

I come to bargain!

A friend wants a PC. His budget is 1500-2000. Gaming probably, with future upgradability, probably 2-4tb storage. (Whether this is 2 m.2 or SATA is just budgetary) No preference on GPU other than probably 30 series minimum

[brave field]

What resolution is he gaming at?

[unreal iron]

This price does not include peripherals

He has no moniter/keyboard/mouse

He has a moniter I guess. Some $1000 144hz 4k moniter he bought for ps5

[twin badger]

At a price point this big he shouldn't even be considering a 30 series and shoot for 40 series from Nvidia or 7000 series from AMD

Then again, 50 series is supposed to launch soon, but it's not very clear what the pricing and availability will be for that

Perhaps he can wait it out just a little longer and see how that goes?

@unreal iron https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jLpf9C Just a quick one i put together, i think this should be a decent build, at least i think so, perhaps there's a thing or 2 someone else would change out but it looks ok to me

[brave field]

clean

[twin badger]

I was gonna put a phantom spirit, but that's out of stock, so peerless assassin it is, should be plenty for a 7700 anyways

[brave field]

TIL 7800X3D is $500, goodness!

[twin badger]

Yeah...

and the 9800X3D gets resold for like $700...

[brave field]

I've neglected researching the DDR5 platforms because of prices and they're still so expensive

Maybe it'll start getting better Q3 of 2025

SN850X being more expensive than 990 Evo Plus is interesting. Samsung tends to charge significantly more than competitors with similar specs

[lost fossil]

what about samsung PM983 on ali?

[unreal iron]

He said this looks good

Thank

[exotic patrol]

thank

[brave field]

@lost fossil china market don't count

Plus I'm mad at ali

5700X3D sale ended 18 hours earlier than advertised

And the second place seller vanished

[exotic patrol]

as they all do

[twin badger]

Ay, i was finally of use to someone

[twin badger]

Welp, the motherboard doesn't seem to have a gen 5 slot anyways and i am sure gen 4 is plenty fast

[brave field]

we're a while away from games saturating SATA, kinda amazing to think about

[nova steppe]

yeah, my drives are in a hot swap bay and show up as removable devices in windows

[sharp coyote]

Psu is no

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/phVmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-4
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bTdG3C/cooler-master-mwe-gold-850-v3-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpx-8503-afag-2buv
Gf3 tt is best out of these options

Rme IS on 1000w territory while being mediocre

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGTp99/sk-hynix-platinum-p41-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-shpp41-2000gm-2

And this

Instead of sn850x

No difference in gaming
Similiar performing ssds but p41> sn850x

[exotic patrol]

Idk why I thought the last link was a phone at first glance

[stark zephyr]

I made a bot recently to help with coding, 10/10

[twin badger]

@sharp coyote Overall, pretty nitpicky changes

Pricing also fluctuates all the time

One can be more expensive than the other and vice versa

[sharp coyote]

Yeah Im aware but gf3 tt is noticable ahead

Than low end rme

Which is HEC

Same as sl-850g asrock

Which is slightly worse than rme but in a bigger housing

[jovial tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAANNGvMANM

[latent drum]

Dang Man

Can you select custom urls gor yt videos?

[nova steppe]

I have never seen a TT unit be preferred over a Corsair unit, wowza

[twin badger]

Since when is RMe low end?

what zaza are you smoking?

[snow rover]

since it came out

[sharp coyote]

Since when it came out

Even jonny himself says that

[sharp coyote]

Except gf a3

Which was hardware swapped

From HEC-> CE-LINK

Ce-link blew up on 25°C testing

We have have 3 gens of rme's

3rd one is most quietest.

But all have coil whine

Which is pretty normal with 3.0

[twin badger]

smh fine

i am not a PSU geek

i simply chose an option i thought would be pretty decent

cant expect me to know every single in and out of a PSU

[sharp coyote]

Me aware

[twin badger]

but really there are a bunch of options for a good PSU, he doesnt necessarily have to copy everything i put in that list, the prices, as i said, always fluctuate.

[sharp coyote]

Comes down to pricing yes

Although rme has never been for a good price

[twin badger]

I really only chose that one because i knew for sure that it has that 12WHPR connector

[sharp coyote]

Not dedicated one

[twin badger]

?

[cold elbow]

PSU?
SEASONIC 👍

Or any seasonic rebadged psu like some of corsair psus or NZXT C series

[sharp coyote]

No

[sharp coyote]

It doesnt have dedicated 12vhpwr slot

Cable only

[lost fossil]

"nzxt's bullsh response nzxt"

but what is bullsh and how much does it weigh?

[snow rover]

bullpoo

[cold elbow]

Hating on the 🐐?

[wispy mesa]

finally got me gigabit upstairs

[lost fossil]

[civic arch]

holy hell how do some people play 60hz

feels like vaseline on display and mouse has insane latency

[snow rover]

imagine all the people living happily playing on their nintendo switches and steam decks

[civic arch]

does rog ally have higher refresh?

[civic arch]

if you never tried above 60hz you dont feel it

i used to happily play on xbox one

[snow rover]

yes but reasonably you're going to be playing at 30 fps on handhelds

[civic cloud]

gta runs on like 24fps on ps3

[exotic patrol]

I'm trying to get an ssd and ram upgrade for this ideapad 330 15-igm I believe it only supports a 2.5 sata 3 ssd and 2400mhz 8gb ram max so I'm not sure what to get

I know it's probably not worth it but it makes the thing usable instead of being e-waste

[rose yacht]

u cant upgrade the ram?

or its soldered to the mobo?

[exotic patrol]

It's upgradeable but I think there's one unsoldered slot and a soldered 4gb

[cold elbow]

U can put more than 8 for sure

[exotic patrol]

ye but with a celeron would that really help

I don't think the celeron will be able to multi task running more than 3 apps at once and they definitely don't need more than 8gb

[jovial tide]

Steam Deck is so nice when I don't feel like getting on my PC

[lost fossil]

that much?

[civic cloud]

in a good spot

usually maybe 18-20

[cold elbow]

Having more ram means a lot of stuff stays open in the back so the cpu doesn't have to load them again whenever you need them.

Maybe it wont matter for your use but you can definitely have more than 8gb ram

[exotic patrol]

idk the lenovo website says it can't and some people who have tried say that the bios just gives up when you do

for my use case not really worth the risk

[cold elbow]

Lenovo moment

[exotic patrol]

fr

[lost fossil]

wtf

💯 - 🔟

[civic cloud]

Hot

[lost fossil]

i have this but with the cpu 8pin power header, is there a safe and non-ignitable way to glue it back in place?

(not my pic)

googling the issue returns unrelated bs

[brave field]

As long as the glue doesn't conduct electricity, there should be no risk. There's a chance the wrong glue could introduce resistance (and thus, a bit of heat) if it touches any of the pins but I have no idea how one would prep for that

Maybe just glue down the outermost edges of the connector?

[cold elbow]

This looks like a feature not a bug

Just put it in its place and use tiny drop of super glue from the side

[latent drum]

Wtf yeyeass mobo is this

Lego death sound ass board

[rich latch]

Is Twitter mobile super laggy all the time for anyone else

[lilac heath]

Rtx 3060 getting more fps than 4060 in Indiana Jones at 1440p due to more vram

Also with 4060 u can only select low textures otherwise it will exceed vram limit 💀
With 3060 u can select Very Ultra textures

[lost fossil]

in the end i put a kind of a ring of super glue around the pins and a on the housing

shit's never coming off again

[cold elbow]

A bit excessive but alright

I feared some of it might sneak on the actual pins that's why i mentioned a tiny drop

[lost fossil]

it was just a smidge and on the outer perimeter (isn't a perimeter technically already "outer"? and how do americans call a perimeter?)

[lost fossil]

maybe tanisha will call my dogass if she stopped fucking with that brain surgeon or lawyer she's fucking with

mobo

idk man it seems like the mobo came with a quality crop of thermal pads bc they were juicy as hell and so that thermal pad juice probably dissolved some of the glue used in these connectors

it's an asrock steel legend, and before you start talking shit, i had an asrock mobo before that in another pc (still have it actually) and the power connector there is snug and solid

[jovial tide]

Honestly, the spec sheet for the game is all around just....dumb as hell.

It's just the modern standard at this point to include Frame Gen and DLSS/FSR 3 to just brute force optimization. It'd be nice if it was included as an optional thing for those who have weaker cards, but instead, I have to run DLSS on my brand new PC because the devs don't give a shit about optimizing their game

[lilac heath]

Indiana Jones overall has good optimization apart from high vram usage
Rtx 3060 can easily get 60fps at Ultra Settings 1440p

[civic cloud]

Have you considered playing factorio or doom eternal? Both very well optimized games and factorio is extremely bug free :)

also no micro transactions bs in factorio

[lilac heath]

Way better optimization than any new 2024 game

Unreal Engine 5 sucks fr

[jovial tide]

The new DLC for factorio turned me off

[cold elbow]

Good

[jovial tide]

35 dollars for a DLC is wild

[cold elbow]

Isn't it an old game?

35 is justified if it's an overhaul

[exotic patrol]

ok I got the ram and ssd

let's see if this old laptop won't be e-waste

[civic cloud]

It's insane, worth it

[civic cloud]

The game itself is 32€ and the DLC is also 32€

Base game has one planet

DLC has 4 new planets and also a bunch of new mechanics

Definitely increases playtime by x4 or smth

[jovial tide]

I'd like to think it's an overhaul, but it's essentially community mods just bundled into the main game

If it was content I didn't already experience via mods, I'd have no problem putting money down on a proper overhaul.

[civic cloud]

The dude who made Space Exploration is also the dude who worked on Space Age

so yes it's a bunch of mods and QoL improvements but as a official DLC

[jovial tide]

[noble gale]

iOS users, you don't know what you're missing from Android...

[snow rover]

mouse scroll wheel acting up again

:/

next mouse is going to have optical wheel because this sucks

[cold elbow]

Or use some perfume

[snow rover]

i've already disassembled and cleaned it once

[manic ibex]

Why perfume ?

[civic cloud]

Melon uses perfume because she is too rich to use cleaning alcohol

[toxic sentinel]

Intel destroys RTX 4060 with B580 (12GB VRAM) and 250$!

If I would be building budget rig right now

[supple walrus]

I really hope Intel gets a solid footing in the GPU scene, they're making good progress

three way competition of Teams RGB will be great for consumers

• hopefully their 18A process node brings them back to solid ground in the CPU scene too, consumer wise at least

[upbeat spade]

he proclaimed the magic words

that's not going anywhere

[latent drum]

Lets assume "for the sake of science" there is an ethernet cable (for the sake of science) with female ports on each side

What the fuck is that used for

[civic cloud]

Extension

[manic ibex]

A stupid way to make an extention but im pretty sure there's a good reason for their making

[latent drum]

Wouldn't an extension be one side female and one side male

[elfin bluff]

is there any open source email organize application or extension that helps me to delete unwanted mails in an instant

i found inbox zero from git but not tested it out

[rapid lake]

Imagine two ethernet cables with male ports on each side

That connect into said cable with two female ports

[latent drum]

Ethernet sexism

God bless electricians doings internet cables

[rapid lake]

Normal people would just use one of these

And have two males cable connected to either end

[cold elbow]

If you have two cables with their usual plugs and want to insert a cable in the middle of them then you will need female to female.

[latent drum]

then why not just buy a longer cable?

[cold elbow]

As what other person above said

Im sure there's a good reason for this

Tbh i have a female to female type c cable and i have a use for it

[supple walrus]

tbh a lot of modern type Cs are female to female

especially with SFC/UFC charging wall plugs that are type c

[cold elbow]

What i see is a lot of male to male

Bundled with everything

[supple walrus]

Nevermind yea I was having a moment

You're right

[fickle finch]

its funny they're called that 🤭

[nova steppe]

[exotic patrol]

I added the ssd and ram and it no longer boots

nice

time to spend 2 years figuring out why

[lost fossil]

comfy finally moving to pc

[cold elbow]

Would assume it's a ram issue

[exotic patrol]

no it's the old dead laptop I showcased a while ago

[exotic patrol]

that would really suck because that would indicate that the bios either cant underclock 3200mhz to 2400mhz or doesn't support higher than 4gb which would be extremely disappointing

I'm hoping it's some loose connection

that's best case scenario but if the old ram works then sure the ssd will give it a good boost but that ram bottleneck won't allow it to do much

[wispy mesa]

put old ram stick in with new stuff (memory)

[exotic patrol]

ye that's the plan

[wary pawn]

How to download gpu?

[undone creek]

@wary pawn whats up my dude

I feel like I need some help

becasuse I have a project due in class and I cannot use MySql and I am inexperienced with it

[cold elbow]

Could be that or timing... ram really sensitive about timing

[exotic patrol]

yep it boosts up with that old ram

Well that sucks

I'm gonna try to assemble the new ram one more time just in case it's that

ye no the new ram is the problem

Even tho people told me it was compatible

oh well

I guess no new ram for the old guy

Good thing I didn't risk 16gb

This thing is ridiculously picky

[wary pawn]

I have zero idea about mysql.

[undone creek]

Damn

Who actually knows

[exotic patrol]

wait

there is no reason this ram should be incompatible

Even the official crucial recommendation for this laptop has the exact same specs as the one I got

This makes no sense

[civic cloud]

No, what if you already have two male cables?

[fickle finch]

Me

[undone creek]

Vez dm

[wispy mesa]

How many ram slots

[undone creek]

@wispy mesa Do you know MySql well

[wispy mesa]

Ask the question here and i will try answer

[undone creek]

I am trying to use MySql for a databse on my project and I am very inexperienced

[wispy mesa]

I got that

[undone creek]

I am asking if someone can help me build a database and help me with connetcting it to my Project on Visual Studios?

@wispy mesa

[exotic patrol]

only one

[wispy mesa]

I dont have time for that, but if you have questions you can ask

[wispy mesa]

Ah ok thats annoying

[latent drum]

I dont know, eat them or something

Am i the only person with like 7 billion ethernet cables in a stash

[supple walrus]

Why not just use like
Microsoft Access and use SQL conversion

Access is like
Databases for dummies

[undone creek]

@supple walrus Im on a MacBook

[supple walrus]

use a Windows VM

[undone creek]

What about SQL lite?

[supple walrus]

If you don't know how to build databases it's access or bust

or well, learn how to make them

[fickle finch]

My guy asked me to do his work

[wispy mesa]

Yea doesnt surprise me

[summer sentinel]

Seriously google is useful bro

Making a database isnt that hard nor is connecting it to a backend

[supple walrus]

Especially given how Microsoft Acess takes all the hard things out of it lmao

[summer sentinel]

Never heard of that before, is it actually useful?

[supple walrus]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access

Database building made easy

[latent drum]

Cant the Li III and the G500A have a baby

[rapid lake]

Does anyone here know a decent AI that can count how many times in a video/audio a specific word was repeated

[safe grotto]

lmao

ill do it for u

for 5 robux 😊

[ionic drum]

xbox series s for gta6? yes or no

[snow rover]

if i had to guess it'll be 30 fps

[lost fossil]

big red cross on that one 🚑

[exotic patrol]

from experience no

unless you bare minimum want to play it

for the casual guy who doesn't care about fps then it's good enough

[ionic drum]

30fps cap?

[exotic patrol]

they didn't tell us so

[ionic drum]

sigh

[lost fossil]

how changes have timed and turns have tabled now that console players talk about fps

[exotic patrol]

tbh up until ps5 era you didn't even have a fidelity or performance option

every game was just default settings so people didn't care

but when the average console player experienced higher fps obviously they started caring about it

It's like switching from console to pc and seeing the difference

[exotic patrol]

is there really no way to change the taskbar size natively in w11

not even a registry hack?

[exotic patrol]

even better transcribe the video text first then give it to an AI

[undone creek]

Hey can someone help me out with my project? I have a hard time using MySql and database connection and I have an error on my proect

[exotic patrol]

?

I'm not even using the camera app

[nova steppe]

Yeah, you might not be

[exotic patrol]

👍

[civic cloud]

It's eepy

[exotic patrol]

rare Xbox W

[undone creek]

Yo

[rapid lake]

The CIA is watching

[raw forge]

I am trying to put this domain in somebody's hands that will make good use
BuildAndHostMySite.com

[undone creek]

Hey

[thin turtle]

[undone creek]

How’s everybody doing

[twin badger]

Its basically this meme, but the thing in question is the 60 fps mode for console

[civic arch]

what wireless earbuds are good?

is there any iem style

[twin badger]

^ same question

[snow rover]

air pod

[civic arch]

android phone is not really good with those

so they are out of the question

you lose anc and all features cuz apple

[exotic patrol]

it's the same audio quality but no anc

tho I'm pretty sure if you root you can activate it regardless

[snow rover]

idk i don't like wireless buds in general

stupid category of product

[exotic patrol]

ye

I go wired anyday

[fallow forge]

could this mean that my cable is dying or could it be my router?

keeps cutting out the wired connection

[civic arch]

but the features

[civic arch]

go into the router settings and lock the channel

see what it does

oh its ethernet my bad

[fallow forge]

it started happening today

[snow rover]

what does a speedtest look like

[fallow forge]

like ookla?

[snow rover]

sure

[fallow forge]

its half the speed of what i pay for, but it keeps going from below 100mbps to 200mbps

currently this while i pay for 200

gonna call the provider tomorrow

[snow rover]

yeah that's not normal and your loaded ping is terrible

[fallow forge]

Yep

[snow rover]

that would suggest router but what do i know

[fallow forge]

it could be the cable

but i dont want to replace it because the previous owner made it stupidly hard to

[nova steppe]

i would always check the cable first when possible

[snow rover]

well can you just move your pc to use a different cable run

[fallow forge]

it goes trough the floor for ~15m trough a very narrow pipe with a bunch of bends

so checking would mean replace and its really stuck in that shit

[nova steppe]

I had a Cat 5e cable that was either mislabeled or had a fault, and it instead always ran at just Cat 5 speeds. I thought the problem was with my drives (was using with a NAS)

[snow rover]

i'd be inclined to think the router is the issue more likely than the cable

[fallow forge]

might be, im gonna call the provider

[snow rover]

a cable that doesn't move around just suddenly dying would be odd

[fallow forge]

my network here is pretty shit anyway since im still on ADSL connection

i think

[snow rover]

adsl can't do 200 mbps

adsl 2+ is 24 mbps tops iirc

[fallow forge]

i could have went fiberglass connection but i literally signed a 2 year deal with another provider when they started putting the connections in

[fallow forge]

oh

not adsl then but its a shitty old connection

[civic cloud]

Check if you can "upgrade" your plan to fiber, that will most likely reset the 2years tho

[fallow forge]

Nope

[civic cloud]

another Dutch L

[fallow forge]

The other provider has a contract that gives them exclusive rights to the fiber connections for 2 years

[snow rover]

that doesn't make any sense

[fallow forge]

it deos

[snow rover]

no

how can a provider stop other operators from offering fiber

[fallow forge]

they paid the costs of putting down the cables and everything

[snow rover]

they can't

[fallow forge]

They can though

[snow rover]

other operator can just lay down their own fiber

[cold elbow]

boys

intel is back

[twin badger]

Is it though?

[cold elbow]

I think they should have called it something cooler

Like R580

[snow rover]

battlemage is pretty cool

[cold elbow]

B sounds lame and boring

[snow rover]

i don't really care about a 4060 level gpu though

[cold elbow]

Like the B boring boards

[snow rover]

make a 4090 competitor and i'll be more interested

[cold elbow]

What's the percentage of people actually buying a 4090

The majority of users are in the midrange category so going for your interest is going to be stupid.

[snow rover]

about 1% according to steam hardware survey

[snow rover]

mm

extra crunchy!

[brave field]

Must resist B580

after all, CES comes early this year

[junior flax]

ye but i doubt most will foot the cost of laying down fiber for just one person unless they are likely to get alot of customers

[brave field]

Do not purchase. Do not purchase.

[snow rover]

who says the operator is footing cost

[civic cloud]

Purchase. Purchase!!

[civic cloud]

Everyone who isn't filthy rich, you think normal people pay several grand to get fiber? Fucking no

[snow rover]

i don't think several grand will cut it

[civic cloud]

Ok so your argument is even dumber then

[twin badger]

To be fair, at that price point people want the best of the best and dethroning a 4090 is no easy feat.

[brave field]

No need to cater to less than 1% of 1% of your customers

@civic cloud waiting for RDNA4

I didn't read whatever it was they released saying they'd focus on budget and midrange

which still will likely not be within budget, but eh

No purchase. No purchase.

[civic cloud]

When's that coming?

I don't think I'm going to upgrade my 3080 any time soon

I only play factorio and other old games anyway lol

[brave field]

AMD's going to be at CES on January 6th, so we're likely to get news then. No clue if it'll actually focus on RDNA4 though

[lost fossil]

oh man how the turns have tabled

[snow rover]

rest in peace sweet baby

[twin badger]

Kinda besides the point here.

[frigid echo]

I mean.... b580 is pretty wild wonder how the b780 will be

[brave field]

I hope its enough for people to take Intel seriously

[frigid echo]

Right? So far battlemage has done a great job for the low end. I hope it matures more with future driver updates.

[brave field]

I wonder what it would take for system integrators to start using AMD and Intel more

Nvidia's prices are high, and rightfully so, but it would be huge if HP Omen or Alienware were shipping with Battlemage next year

[frigid echo]

That's a good question.

[brave field]

Even if Intel wins over builders someday, Nvidia's marketshare is growing right now. Competition in prebuilts is even more important

[civic cloud]

Oh January 6th is a local holiday in Germany :)

[brave field]

What holiday happens then?

[civic cloud]

No idea dude, some Christian stuff

Only a few dates have a day off, not all

[civic arch]

im kinda happy to see more competition

the b580 seems to be solid budget option

it seemed to perform pretty good

shitting on 7600 and 4060

intel also has xess which is pretty good already

[civic arch]

prebuilds is the most important imo

its what the average joe is gonna buy

that why intel still has so much marketshare on cpu side

[lost fossil]

no it's because of userbenchmark

[hexed crystal]

even github is calling my code hacky wtf

[exotic patrol]

tbh I've never seen that before

how bad is the code that github is showing it as a hack 💀

[hexed crystal]

I am kidding

Github tends to mistake php code as hack code because its basically the same thing

[exotic patrol]

ye I know but it's really funny

[cold elbow]

People already taking it seriously and stock is limited...

[fallow forge]

@civic arch apparently it was an issue with the provider

Couple colleagues have the same provider and had issues too

[nova steppe]

[rapid lake]

Why is my internet slower when using certain things like discord but otherwise it’s fine?

Loading images here takes ages whereas on whatsapp it’s really quick

And this is my speed

[cold elbow]

Internet speed mostly rely on how far the site server is and how much bandwidth it's giving to your location
Also, a lot of ISPs use a lot of caching to reduce the bandwidth they purchase from other countries and reduce the load on their infrastructure

Whatasapp or Facebook own servers everywhere and it's being heavily catched because a lot of people use it unlike discord

[agile siren]

Likely because there might be momentary congestion in the path to nearest discord's node, likely a cloudflare node, while the other services which are running just fine like whatsapp are likely taking a different route to their servers which may not be congested. maybe its also possible that cloudflare DDos protection maybe acting weird and slowing down legit traffic hence discord being slow.

There could be multiple factors.

usually difficult to pinpoint.

[civic cloud]

Hello Tech channel friends, can you guys give me suggestions for good budget laptops for my parents? They had an Acer nitro 5 before and only do emails, Facebook and solitaire (and stuff like that)

[cold elbow]

A thinkpad would be sweet

[exotic patrol]

lenovo ThinkPads?

[fallow forge]

So it might not have been the provider

i called them today and they said they couldnt see downtime on the network

they sent me a cable and asked if 7.5m was long enough, i said no.
She said thats the longest they have and i said ill buy one myself
"We dont recommend using other cables than the ones we provide"

well maybe you should provide cables that are long enough

[arctic yarrow]

Are they talking about ethernet cables?

[fallow forge]

ye

[arctic yarrow]

bruh

ethernet is ethernet

[fallow forge]

yeah i know

if the cable doesnt fix it im gonna see if i can buy out my contract

and switch to the provider with fiber glass connection

they have an offer right now

[arctic yarrow]

Yeah, if you can I would definitely do that

Fiber is worth it

[fallow forge]

2 year contract, first year its 15 bucks for 1gbps

second year its 45

[arctic yarrow]

What about after the contract ends?

[fallow forge]

same prices

[arctic yarrow]

so 45/mo for a gig?

[fallow forge]

yeah

[arctic yarrow]

Yeah, I'd jump on that in a heartbeat

[fallow forge]

currently im paying 50 for 200mbps which is just insane

but i signed that contract a week before the other provider put down their fiber

[arctic yarrow]

I paid $140/mo with comcast for 300mbps before switching to google fiber. Now I pay $70/mo for a gig

[fallow forge]

so i have to see how much it would cost me to buy out my contract and if its worth it

idk if its just full price for the remaining months

if it is its not worth it

ive only had this contract for 6 months

current network is just unstable as fuck

[arctic yarrow]

Does it disconnect or is it slow?

[fallow forge]

it disconects for a split second

long enough to kick me out of online games though

[arctic yarrow]

Do you know if the disconnection happens on your local router or going out to your ISP?

One way to figure that out is to run a continuous ping to your gateway IP, and also to your ISP's server.

Try doing a trace route to google's dns (8.8.8.8), then run a continuous ping on your gateway ip and after your gateway ip.

open two instances of command prompt and type in "ping -t {ip address}", then keep an eye out while playing games, and see which one drops when you lose connection

[fallow forge]

i have no idea what you mean by that

[arctic yarrow]

if you open the command prompt, first type in "ipconfig" to find your gateway ip address. That's the ip address your router shows to your computer. After that, type in "tracert 8.8.8.8" to list the hops from your router to google's DNS. The hop after your gateway is your ISP's server.

[fallow forge]

default gateway?

[arctic yarrow]

yeah

That's the one

Yeah

[fallow forge]

so i just keep an eye on them and see what changes when i lose connection?

[arctic yarrow]

Yeah, if it's a problem on your ISP, only the ISP's ping requests will time out. If it's a problem going to your router, both will time out at the same time.

[fallow forge]

the second one says trace complete now

[arctic yarrow]

Go ahead and do a continuous ping for the IP address on the second hop

"ping -t {ip address}"

Correct

[fallow forge]

i shall return with the results

[fallow forge]

and ofcourse now my network stays up

[arctic yarrow]

lol

I call it the "intimidation factor".

The moment someone who works with tech looks at it, the problem no longer appears.

[sharp coyote]

Omg skipper

[fallow forge]

omg me

[nova steppe]

@fallow forge just a random thought, but see if there's been an update for the Realtek LAN driver for your motherboard newer than the default.
Could actually just be the cable or something else, but that's something to tick off the troubleshooting list

[brave field]

sometimes a disable and re-enable from the sharing center helps for no discernible reason

[civic cloud]

@exotic patrol any specific model?

[cold elbow]

What about that vivobook that u got? Still pretty good laptop

[exotic patrol]

soldered ram is

[cold elbow]

U can upgrade the ram on it

I have one at work and already upgraded the ram

[fallow forge]

Ill update that when i get home

I really doubt its the cable though because when it happens its in a regular interval, only cuts out for a secons or two and then connects again, and the internetspeed is 80-90mbps sometimes and other times its 180-200mbps

Even without any movement in the cable

If it was the cable you would expect it to do it constantly and not randomly

[lost fossil]

the skullest

the link speed in my pc constantly drops from 1000 to 100 and i have no idea what to do because i think it's because of 220v interference from the power cable that goes right next to the ethernet cable and currently i can't have it any other way

[civic cloud]

vivobook? Ain't got one

[cold elbow]

Ohh

U have acer aspire 5

Which is also a good one

[civic cloud]

Yes

[lost fossil]

all other laptops aspire to be like that one

[cold elbow]

Oreo with new pfp

[lost fossil]

shh don't tell anyone

[civic cloud]

Yet another trap

[fallow forge]

@arctic yarrow i have results

nothing

both the pings kept going while my ethernet disconnected

[fallow forge]

So it seems like its just my ethernet

my wifi stays up

[arctic yarrow]

Wait, so it falls back on wifi?

[fallow forge]

Yeah

[arctic yarrow]

That's helpful to know. Is your ethernet driver up to date?

[fallow forge]

I havent actually checked that

Ill do that later

[arctic yarrow]

I'd also try another port on your router, just in case

[manic ibex]

My internet also disconnect randomly and kick me out of game

[brave field]

Does it happen to all your devices?

[manic ibex]

I will check if it happens again

[civic arch]

do you have a microwave running on that cable

doubt it would matter tbat much

cat cable is shielded

[lost fossil]

no

i mean idk it shouldn't be a factor and it wasn't for quite some time

[undone creek]

Hey hows everyone doing

[exotic patrol]

hi

[clear forum]

So Im upgrading from B550, R7 5800x and 32gb DDR4 to AM5, I need cpu ideas, the entire upgrade may not exceed 800$ ram, mb and cpu all within that budget.
Already settled for Asus B650 Aorus Elite ex ICE. And 4x16gb white ram, sadly 8gb sticks are nowhere to be found.

Fyi I use a white rtx 3070 for any bottleneck calculations taken into account for your suggestions

[exotic patrol]

one sec

[exotic patrol]

this is what I would go for https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7KJ9mD

you can add whatever cpu cooler you prefer

[sharp coyote]

Dont do 4 sticks

On am5

[lost fossil]

[fervent granite]

paleolithic era bios

[sharp coyote]

Master

Master had a slave

[lost fossil]

as god intended

that speed be bussin

remember the time when cpu temps didn't skyrocket the moment you put any load on it?

[cold elbow]

Get a better gpu instead

[clear forum]

Getting any better gpu at this point ain't worth, it will just get bottlenecked by the cpu

However 3070 works great w r7 7800x3d but I'll probably go woth 7700x

[civic cloud]

What game gets bottlenecked by a 5800X?

The CPU "bottleneck" is almost negligible on 1440p or 4K in most games

[nova steppe]

the 5800x is fine for most GPUs higher than what you have

[lost fossil]

oh hey look they already compiled a list of them for you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unreal_Engine_5_games

[nova steppe]

kek

[civic cloud]

aw so nice of them :)

[sharp coyote]

For gaming 7600x=7700x

[latent drum]

Did someone manage to model lucia from the GTA trailer and leaks

There is something about her model thats just unnatural to me

Like creepy ish

[civic cloud]

I'm sure you can find some models if you Google Lucia R34

[latent drum]

Lol

I want something accurate, i dont know her face doesnt sit right with me

Its like that thing in the human mind that detects fake faces and stuff, first time getting triggered

Hopefully rockstar changes it, we have seen the ugly rdr2 models on the first announcement

[lost fossil]

uncanny valley?

[latent drum]

Yeah

The reallife actor looks gorgeous though, i have no clue whats wrong about the model

[woeful cape]

My pc keeps getting really hot when idle or when i open chrome games always crash and sometimes it bluescreens when i try to turn it off

I look at a bench mark

its running 4.7ghz when idle

which is its max load

So i cant figure out what it is

Here are my bios settings

at me if you can find anything wrong

[civic arch]

7600x is not worth the extra from a 7500f

the igpu on those sucks ass

[woeful cape]

I also run a 7600x and a thermalright assassin 120

[civic arch]

i personally love how blurry most ue5 titles are

really adds to the experience when moving the camera

[civic arch]

how high does the clock go when gaming

[woeful cape]

4.7 ghz because theres something wrong with it

Its also at it when idle

[civic arch]

are the temps ok?

[woeful cape]

No

[civic arch]

did you leave the sticker on the cooler

classic mistake

[woeful cape]

they go up to 60-70c when i open chrome

and no

i made sure of it

[civic arch]

is that assassin 120 the single fan tower

[woeful cape]

Yes

[civic arch]

and cpus have pretty ass idle consumptionn

my 7500f uses like 30w idle from the io die alone

i think like 50c idle with a 240mm aio

30% fan/pump

[woeful cape]

It was running fine for like the past 6 months

No super high temps either

[civic arch]

have you touched anything ?

i assume no

[woeful cape]

I reapplied thermal paste when cleaning it

I did that like a week ago

Im pretty sure its fine though

I could take it out and send a pic

[civic arch]

have you tried checking the screws

is the mount good

maybe give it a wiggle

[woeful cape]

Yes they are nice and tight

[lost fossil]

are you checking the tdie temperature or tctl?

[woeful cape]

What

[civic arch]

why is pbo not on?

[woeful cape]

Wdym

[lost fossil]

refer to this

[woeful cape]

The fans are ramping up as well

and its still crashing

i think its actually getting hot

[lost fossil]

the vast majority of monitoring software show you the tctl

if your tdie temperature is in check then you can forgor about it

[civic arch]

what does tctl stand for

[lost fossil]

temperature control or smth

[woeful cape]

Im using gigabyte control center to monitor

[lost fossil]

get hwinfo and check there

and don't use gigabyte control center, or any gigabyte software, for that matter

[woeful cape]

Should i turn pbo back on

[civic arch]

try resetting your bios

[woeful cape]

Reset it last night

[civic arch]

do you have ryzen master ?

if so please delete it

[woeful cape]

Nah

Deleted it a while ago

[civic arch]

thats a pretty weird ass problem

[woeful cape]

Yeah ik

[civic arch]

if it was a bios setting the reset should have fixed it

[woeful cape]

I cant figure it out

Seriously the only time it doesn't get hot is when its in the bios

[civic arch]

you been checking the bios settings at all??

[woeful cape]

Yes

Im doing it right now

[civic arch]

wandering around ?

maybe find something about the boost clock thing

[woeful cape]

I think its ddr5 auto booster

[civic arch]

try setting cpu scalar to 5x or 10x

which power limit you on ?

[woeful cape]

Wdym

Like whats the watts on my psu

[civic arch]

pbo settings

[civic arch]

cpu powerlimit

in bios theres like 65w and 90w and 125w

[woeful cape]

Its showing me this

[woeful cape]

Should i turn off ddr5 auto booster

[civic arch]

no idea that is gigabyte

never seen it

[woeful cape]

Theres some really stupid ass bios settings

[lost fossil]

why don't you load optimized defaults and then just enable xmp for your ram and run your pc like that

[civic arch]

i only used msi and asus bios

[lost fossil]

no ddr booster no other bullshit

[civic arch]

this is the way

[woeful cape]

Lets try this

Hopefully it works

Uhm

Well

My pc id being weird

Bro what

Now this is happening

Cant turn it off

This is great

its not working at all now

[lost fossil]

let it be for 10 min

[woeful cape]

Im gonna take out the cmos battery

[lost fossil]

no don't

[woeful cape]

It will reset the bios

[lost fossil]

it's probably because ram has to settle in after a reset, that's a thing with ddr5

give it some time

[woeful cape]

Ok

ill give it 10-15 minutes but if it doesnt work im gonna try some other stuff

[lost fossil]

i spend like an hour donalding tiny10 from archive.org

it doesn't install on this 17 years old pc

[civic arch]

what is that red light

ram?

[civic arch]

never seen that take more than a couple minutes

ddr5 and memory training be like

[civic arch]

give them a few bucks if you can

[woeful cape]

Yes

[lost fossil]

i can't

i mean, even if i wanted to

[civic arch]

google how to set memory training to be avoided when possible

after it boots

if that light stays on try re seating the sticks and loosening your cpu cooler

i got a ram light when i installed my aio drunk cuz i overtightened the screws

i am smart

[woeful cape]

I dont think mine is overtight

[civic arch]

hope you figure it out

thats so random

[woeful cape]

Yeah

[woeful cape]

The ram settings made it worse

[nova steppe]

a power button

[nova steppe]

you can also just power down (after the PC has done whatever, if it's still loading something) and check if you put enough. You don't have to completely replace the paste, you can just add more if you see it's not a lot of coverage

[compact sierra]

The ps portal just got an update this month

https://youtu.be/srOm8YCap08?si=oeHRMFajunOVA_Tv

The update seems like a game changer

Planning to get the ps portal

[lost fossil]

been planning for like half a year*

[compact sierra]

I had bills that came first before getting the ps portal

[sharp coyote]

Indeed it isnt
X ver is better binned

[sharp coyote]

Useless thing. More problems than results

Also for am5 i wouldnt set scalar 5

10x fuck no

It should be fine but i wouldnt recommend it

On am4 anything above 1 is degrading basically

[prisma trellis]

Btw

You have to have PS+ to cloud play on it

Buying a handheld then having to buy subscription to even use it if you don't have a ps5

[lost fossil]

he was gonna buy a 4090 so i imagine money isnt an issue

[manic ibex]

can you explain how