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Now be nice, but I have old Alienware case still
Counting gpu?
5 arctis p12 then 2 other case fans that i accidentally rounded the screws off
no
Damn
cmon the market needs more of that
Where do you even find the space to put them
fractal define can't be the only option
Hehehe probs the max was 10 GB lol
separate rack mount case for hard drives
2 front intake
intake side
intake bottom
2 exhaust on top
1 exhaust on back
I have the 2 corsair fans that came with the case as exhaust, 3 artic p12 that came with the cooler, and one mini one on the cpu
Pretty decent
I was going to buy one more corsair fan for the back to match the front but they're 30€ each
But it was a humongous pain to put in the radiator and the fans infront
skull emoji
It barely fit
Keep an eye out for sales
Lian li just better at that point
i would just fully swap to arctic p12's
Or even noctua
can get 5 for that price
but I want rgb
Lian li is rgb, but probably more expensive
Lian li
Meh prefer the arctic, my case came with those, I have them in a bag in the attic
i kinda wanna make a clean black O11 dynamic mini with just white lights to light up the case
I'm not going to put one lian li fan with 3 corsairs
I can get lian li fans for the same price as corsair ones
gotta have the matching set
Well
Buy more lian li 🤯
I'm gonna have to buy 5 or maybe 6 lian li fans
Each is like 29$ or 30$
ur wallet is gonna hate u
Imagine not buying arctic p12 fans
Well I have a good job so it shouldn't be a problem
i love arctic p12
I got 3 with the cpu cooler
Finally cleaned up my room and desk enough that I'm comfortable showing my setup
Happily removed my artic fans from my cpu cooler as well
Happily?
Yes
Did you not like them?
Oh okay
That's still messy
What nouse is that
Yeah, still a bit messy, but better than it was before
Cooler Master MM520
cables under the desk: 
I still wonder how did I fit the radiator
Look mom I'm famous
Yeah... I use it for other stuff xD
Clearance between the cooler and ram
Oh shit
Few mm 
Yeah it was pure magic how I fit this in
I didn't want front mount
lot of space tbh
For many reasons
Top mount master race
I had no choice other than front mount
Cabels are inthe way on top and the side just speaks for it self
Ye
Also by some miracle the radiator is not scratched
I could tidy up the cables, but.... ehh. Too tired rn.
Why not case on desk?
Because it's more convenient to be on the floor
More dust?
Then collects lot of dust
Sweaty feet

Dust isn't a huge issue for me. I just bring it outside and dust it off occasionally
get air cans
I can't lift my case
Nah.. buy air blower
they also double as an excellent way to cool your drinks
floor pc gang
Because of the weight?
Yes
How heavy is it
Usually ask my dad to move it
I think my case with everything in it weighs around 15kg
weak
🥺
Fr
How small
That's about as large, and possibly heavy, as my case
Buy this bad boy
I'm the smallest adult on earth
Like 5'1
I have an air duster, but unsure where it went off to. My dad probably took it. I usually just use canned air.
I'm a whole foot and 3 inches taller
😩
stop flexin
That's almost 40cm
I'm 196cm
i would not want to be that tall
Must be hotter up there
Yeah building muscle is harder when your tall
But you have more strength by default
i already almost bump my 4head into things outside and i'm 184, can't imagine being 196 what the fuck man
I got used to it
Things usually not designed for people over 190
I duck everywhere I go
get a stool with rgb
Also
and usb-c
ppl these days are either too short or too tall
what happened to average ppl
50 in FR
i'm here
what the fuck
fr wtf
I've never even seen a size 50 shoe for sale
pick up basketball as a hobby, free shoes
That's because there aren't any
I can only order online
35 eu size sometimes 36 
But prices are very cheap
i think we should be extra worried about him bumping his legs into his test bench pc
better pick up yoga

bend the legs over your shoulders
What's your desk height
imagine a 196cm tall man sitting here for a better part of the day
Reason why my pc has no airflow is because im a wall blocking it all
Lmao
Mine?
U need two p12s to force air near that testbench
Yeah
For someone your height i thought it would be
keep yer dick in a vise!
I use it for guns, not that kinda gun.
Super useful for tightening castle nuts or hammering in roll pins with punches.
What?
he's trying to sell modmenus
I forgot that this was a gta server
I've been using it as tech support lately

My wallet is gonna feel this one

needs more rgb for the knees

Well, at least the fans will have nice rgb
Damn
Idk about that specific monitor but what i know that G monitors usually expensive
If u really want to buy one u should watch MonitorsUnboxed
it's not an IPS panel tho
Screen burn-in💀
won't happen on modern panels unless you force it
if there was only an option to have a non static clip playing on your monitor while not doing anything


How about turning it off

no, that would be just silly
imagine coming into your room and the monitor is not displaying its full glory
Don't see the point here
seems i'm too tired for sarcasm
it's funny tho how older windows used to default to screensaver until they realized around 8 or so to just turn off instead
might also be connected to CRTs tho
I think in the past windows didn't have the ability to turn off the display
Idk.. never seen a CRT
Meant to reply to this
touch the monitor cable and your heater at the same time
if that fixes it, get a new cable
i'd guess the OS just disables video output? there shouldnt be a fancy shutoff command
This has been an issue for 2 years now, with it only getting worse. It's not the cable
Do you plan to eventually get another monitor? Lol
I was going to for my birthday, but my sister is planning a party with my parents, and idk what the leftover budget is
Do you have any specific ones in mind? Or just gonna get the same model
Something still curved. I use it for my racing/driving games only, so I'd like a slightly bigger one, like a 32", but then I'd need a stand.
My speakers wouldn't fit on the desk with the extra width
I've seen that issue recently when using HDMI on a monitor but works fine with VGA
I've used both DP and HDMI over the years [that I've had this monitor], but ig I can try with my 5 other cables 🤕

Yeah, my mother threw away the box (the box was here at home, and I was at my apartment) and I just found the warranty card like, 2 weeks ago
It did indeed have a 2 year warranty, so I could have done it 
you don't need the original box for warranty claims
I needed the barcode at least, since I can't find the receipt
Nice
I need proof of purchase, not the serial
you need proof of purchase when you go back to the store, not necessarily at the vendor themself
I mentioned here that my monitor is also having an issue
I have a purple vertical line now

I love purple!
Gonna see if I can strike a deal with Asus and get my way-past- warranty motherboard RMAd
man wouldn't it suck if these didn't fit on your desk
Yeah, audiophile, they're actually good
I use another pair of beige speakers for rear surround
anything smaller than an 8 inch woofer is for toys
It's not critical listening it's VRRRRRRRR tss VRRRRRRR
how are you supposed to get satisfying engine sounds with speakers that produce nothing under 100hz
that issue solves itself if you go to 1-2 rock concerts without ear plugs
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You know you meant to have the pipes at the bottom, that's what the inx says
And controller
For the price of a motherboard 
But its still alot
I think someone said that the pipes are supposed to be above the cpu
I alot of people get this wrong
In short your pump should not be above the water level or the highest point in the cooler
...
In your configuration the pump below the highest level for water but since air bubbles going to go up... they will settle near the tubes that are connected to the radiator which can create noise.
V interesting. Thanks for sharing
I wonder how their enterprise cards fair as those have double supply right?
This new 4090 has finally a decent output on 4k. But looks like it needs ddr5 and min 12700 or equivalent
Have none AMD guys here managed to get the most out of it with 11s gen? I have 11700 but that is old ddr4
11th gen.. i7?
i think he meant performance
yeah but i mean
your hardware just works to the best of its capabilities
getting the most out of sounds like doing big overclocking and stuff
i don't see how having a core 11th intel cpu vs, uhh, not that, is gonna affect the gpu performance
isnt like 11th gen bad?
kinda bad these days but it's alright
What?
single pin gpu vs 2 pin gpu
you can bottleneck the gpu with a subpar cpu tho, depending on the program
and vice versa
This new 4090 has finally a decent output on 4k. But looks like it needs ddr5 and min 12700 or equivalent
You can likely still slack on the CPU for newer releases (the ones that aren't launching broken, at least)
7xxx3D is still GPU limited in many AAA titles even with DLSS3
those new AMD CPU mounting brackets do look spicy
they scared me first time putting/taking off
those are wood screws, my dude
someone used wood screws for his mainboard
wood
screws
I want the 4k to run over 60 FPS, with 3080 CP 2077 can't go as high..so was pondering of getting 4080 or 90 ahead of new dlc release. However, would my CPU bottleneck? If I consider 40 series GPU , would I have to renew everything but the storage
Oh noh, just seeing if pairing 11700 with 4090 going to restrict getting the most out 0f the card due to 2 gen old CPU+ddr
I know we have enterprise cards at work used for machine learning, talking to the tech guys bout it, they told me they draw more power and use double cables. That is what
you're talking about the quadro series
No… they have odd name like h700 or 200 or whatever, I only been to the server room once so can't recall
But basically those succers use x2 16 pin cables
The server has 8 of those and the sound it make is nuts
No man, this https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/data-center/h100/
They are big ram buggers, not something you'd stick on a laptop
Can't recall exactly but they either 50 or 60 gb
Or more
Been a while
rgb chips what the heck
heyy
na thats for a caseless build when you want to mount your pc on the wall
Through the mobo right into the stud 😭
100% secure as can be
Just put the dlss to performance
Seems like a cool tech place. Mostly stuck helping out with smaller discord servers mostly ran by kids with tech related stuff.
We have grown up kids here
👍
And I still won't get more than 50-60 FPS on 3080. I have 144 MHz screen so want to see it in all its glory
Oh yeah some old kids here (counting myself as one)
then ultra performance
those still exist?
Get an ssd
I have an ssd
get more
Im pretty sure my motherboard has one ssd slot
i'm pretty sure it has sata headers
Idk what that is
Someones getting M2 and SSD mixed up 
Didn’t your mobo come with a manual
Probably
fr I love it
What else do i need for another ssd
i might get another samsung 980 pro 
Well, why would you want an hdd over it an ssd
Sata lead and sata power connection from your power supply
But want installed
Understandable. I wouldn’t know of any great hdds off the top of my head
Ye
Oops didn’t mean to edit that
wd161kryz
st16000nm001g
dk if it's just the russian market but 16 tb drives are great value currently
16 tb 
Dude, you are tormenting me. 3080 is not capable it cannot run CP in 4k at high rates
I have a spinner it's my third back up
gonna have to wait for nvidia 6090 or amd 9950 xt if you want to run cp cyberpunk at 4k120
Always off tho
Lol, you are too funny. But I have seen some reports online that 4090 is running it over 75 FPS hence my interest
what are they going for over there?
But changing mobo, ram and CPU just to change the GPU seems wee bit ott
Then either take it to a man who can do it or Google is your bestie😀
Thats pretty much how majority of PC upgrades tend to go
I dont know this stuff is what i meant, i would youtube how to install and ssd/hdd
Meh, it's still in game so why change it. Will do like Oreo said, will wait for 50 series and get all replaced then
Google in terms of "what's a good ssd/hdd' is often times shit
Well Samsung 980pro is first one which came up, apart from running hot, I have no issues with it
oh 4k
what cpu
What are the best tabs for sketching and art?
wacom i guess
they make touchscreens and tablets for artists
Also lot of people use an ipad with apple pencil
ye, wacom is mostly windows
i still have a first gen surface pro in the closet somewhere
they used to ship those with wacom
the power supply was absolute garbage, it kept breaking and starting to burn
don't give them ideas
Kingston ram is cheaper
Same specs
Mine was
what the heck is this virus infected link 
dont click btw
@echo mural delete this
it's a modmenu
Yea
It was a scary link
Github is safe
debatable
But a link that immediately promts for an install??
Yea cus it has an .exe

Sending mod menu link isnt right either
Suprised it has been deleted yet
supposed i couldve ping staff role but didn't wanna get in trouble

no Kingston with hynix a-die on mindfactory
and even then I'll spend a few extra bucks to have the ram match my gpu
?
Explain in idiot terms my English doesn't go that far
there are different memory chips from different manufacturers
a-die from sk hynix is the best one for memory overclocking
🥭👍
My pc extention cables came
nice cablework
11700kf
My work laptop is surface studio, paired with a pen it is amazin
hmm
Oki :3
that combo is like mid-high range of performance
if you really want 4k, you either go with i7 12th or 13th gen with a 3090 ti or 4090
Lmao
It's also 2000+ 😭
Dude how much ram is in that thing? Or is it AMD?
Super tidy, love it
Of course, I am aware of it. When I bought the parts 3080 was all you could get and I bought it one month too early for 12series intel. I wonder tho, If I get CPU,mb and ddr5 would that give me extra 10 -15 FPS on 3080?
it will give you more than 10-15
I did say work laptop 🙂 yeah they are 3080 Nvidia with 13 i9s
i built my pc back in 2021, when the gpu shortage was happening
the only reasonable gpu i could buy was the 3070
Same hence 3080, GPU I got at very close to rpr
3090 was like 4k local (about 2k dollars 💀 )
Almost a grand I think for 3080
Anyway to verify this before I throw 600 gbp at it?
you can always see people using 12th or 13th gen with a 3080 on yt
I do some work on it too so AMD 3d chip might not be sufficient
How close is that gpu to the radiator lol
Dude, there I was thinking against the upgrade until 50 series will be released and probs 14 or 15th gen intel. Now I'm already on partpicker
A few millimeters
32gb 4×8 at 6000MHz
It's amd
AM5 with ddr5
Fair enough. Do you still need to pair AMD chips with lots of small sticks? I thought they fixed that on new CPU's?
Gesus
2700
Is that for real
That GPU is grand , how can the rest be 1.7k
Mystery solved there is 600 monitor there
Ok so I would need 700 to update my board, CPU and ram
Any board suggestions? Nothing to daft , as in overpriced pls
Msi tomahawk maybe? They always kinda solid
Anyone else for MSI t?
if you are going 12th or 13th dont buy asus
They usually have a video that shows u all of them, their specs and recommendations
they are common to fuck up your cpu
id say decent
Fuck gigabyte
i have to ask why
To each of their own
Cus it's a shit company that makes shit products
I’ve had no issues with my piece of tech from them 
Intel never messes up! only amd does with their drivers!!!

You seem to have right beef with them
Tell us more

You know why do i find about shit companies after i get their products
I mean, everything here is subjective 
I know but when i planned my PC parts i asked several times is this okay is that okay and now suddenly gigabyte isnt okay 
gigabyte is okay
they had problems with certain high end gpus and fumbled the ball hard
Just do more research rather than taking one persons words as facts. Opinions do help though
Forgot about the explosive PSUs?
Or their shit tier customer support
aww cmon, that's a feature
you can toss 90% of GPU vendors if you judge them by their support
because pretty much all of them use outsourced indian/eastern european callcenters
Btw i have a gigabyte motherboard and it's shit
Just stop suggesting Nvidia as a whole since due to the past reports of their cards melting
I like how my motherboard rgb is totally useless cus RGB Fusion doesn't work
It bricked the OS for some users
my mainboard software keeps trying to install norton every time i look for updates
Gigabyte software is like garbage tier
Don't install mainboard software
Armory crate messing with GPUs, ASUS AI Tweaker overvolting CPUs, Gigabyte RGBFusion and APP store both bringing in loads of vulnerabilities and destroying Windows
it's honestly quite remarkable how bad all rgb mal- i mean software is
Icue is alright
no
i had icue on my laptop at some point
literally reduced battery life by 30% doing god knows what
I set it to static
And it's also controlling my keyboard macro and it's barely using any resources
It would take some resources if you setup rgb animations
I have an asus mobo and yeah, armory crate was annoying to uninstall
I use it the same way
I have a gigabyte motherboard
what he says there is fine
melon(bubbles) also pointed out that either is fine as long as the pump is not at the top of the loop, but having tubes at the top might make extra noise due to air piling up at the top where the tubes would be
But some Bubbles are bound to go into the pump and when they go in there there is no way for them to go back down
Bubbles can only go up
They will also go down with the current, its allways easier for them to go down from the pump to the radiator than from the radiator to the pump so they are gonna acumulate in the radiator
as your assistant says when you fail to deliver an import/export vehicle, noone has a perfect record
Always use openRGB, install required SDKs and disable execution of shitty rgb software
never had a problem with it
Coolermaster stuff doesnt work correctly on it
Neither does asus
It works but its laggy af.
And on cooler master it doesnt even work
Its just off
Trash
All my Asus works
Must be something else causing it to lag, could of been specific to PC. and yea animation isnt necessary
Never tried coolermaster with it, but if it overrides OpenRGB the coolermaster App may be open still
No
I killed it in task manager
And unninstalled it
Got signalrgb
And it didnt work
if coolermaster app was uninstalled thats probably why it didnt work
No
It works on asus without armoury crate, and razer without synapse
Why would it be different
It might also have to do with the fact that the masterplus app is trash
because its different hardware, that is locked behind a wall that requires the coolermaster SDK, to control
Well maybe the hardware is broken lmao
oh, then the app must of been still in control
Thats why i closed it in tm and tried signalrgb which didnt work
Its also a known issue as i talked in their discord about it
Ah thats entirely possible then. I could plug in a coolermaster device and find out :/
Yea most likely
if only signalrgb was opensource 
Signal also sucks
yeah but it supports a lot of stuff
Suports alot of mainstream stuff
But stuff like xpg also has mediocre support
Doesn't support my shitty motherboard
Even when i contacted them about it
Didn't support my old nvidia card also
Contact them about it as well
Isnt that normal
My pc does that aswell i just assumed it was to cool down before shutting off
Is it breaking anything
did u know that it supports wled now

Yeah
Also signal users more resources than icue soooo
If im going to buy specific hardware to work with signal
Might as well buy hardware for icue
you guys are missing the obvious solution here
you buy a separate PC to control the RGB on your main one

jenius
in a cosmic kind of way, yes that's kinda what wled is
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😨
Can fan controllers be considered mini pc's?
To me
It is
But some people may have a different opinion on it
But I do get you ponit
Its obviously a .png but who am i to judge
You fish
Hi peeps
Any recommendations for benchmark sites?
The ones one can trust
Also, had some time free this am so followed a suggestion from someone where re swapping out 11700 to say 13700 to increase frames in 4k on 3080. Most bids I watched quoting the same FPS or 1-3 FPS in favour of 13700. For 700 totally not worth the upgrade. Better wait for next gen I thinks
which one?
i think i'd rather have a full setup than just a pc
Oh I talking only about the pc
Can't wait till we remodel my room
I'm gonna have a proper desk
And proper airflow
the first one doesn't seem that comfortable either
i can just imagine how hot it'll get under there 😭
then again it's the same as long as the pc is there
Not sure what better outcome you expect? Unless you get a giant box of a case all the modern GPUs are huge
In the end of the day the cooling is all about the airflow not where aio is
i mean the pc being underneath the desk right at feet level is gonna be hot
i'm not talking about cooling the pc, i'm talking about the dudes legs being toasted
Look up or try yourself in majority cases inflow on aio for some reason is more overall efficient
would feel like a sauna under there
Ah
Fair enough
But he lives in Scandinavia
So he can do with extra comfort lol
i'm too american to know where that is
since you're mentioning it, it's probably cold there?
Again, he is scandi, they love sauna
oh
Correct me if I'm wrong here but your nation invented saunas right?
I'm not Finnish
I'm croatian
this is not strictly tech related but #community talks too much
anyone (preferably within the eu) have experience with package forwarding from the us? package forwarding would be significantly cheaper than international shipping from the company, but i'm wondering how much of a pain in the ass it is and if there are any hidden expenses i can't think of
apparently you need like export documents and whatever when sending stuff from the us
All i know that u will get taxed anyway depending on the country laws
My way is sending stuff with travelers as personal items
Just one or two items
There are websites that can help maybe
Like myus
yes that's what i was considering using
myus, planet express, shipito all have positive reviews but i'm still not entirely up to speed on all the potential issues and costs
I don't think it's worth it unless u wanna ship something that doesn't exist in Europe
U lose warranty in the most part
you don't lose warranty, you just have to pay exorbitant shipping costs to send the stuff back
are you buying private or as a company?
private
i had super bad experiences buying from US thanks to our border control
i'm not buying drugs or batteries so it should be fine
i didnt buy drugs
it was this amazing wifi kvm usb stick
and those motherfuckers didnt want to release it
isn't the german customs like notoriously shitty though
idk, they just had a conniption because i was trying to deliver to a company address as a private person
i'm not trying to deliver to a company address
Not sure why I thought you were scandi lol
Dude, it's pain in the ass
I tried buying several BIG items over 10k and it all was painful, not just for import taxes but shipping itself, depending where you are in the EU, the cost is approx 20% plus all the logistic costs. In addition, you have to pay approx 10pct in admin charges for the forwarding party. They probs quoting you 4 or 5 ATM, but by the time you import it it will be 10 at least
Hahah, try to send a sofa with one of them🤪
I'm not trying to get big ticket items
If small, better ask someone who's travelling like the Corsican said
I don't have people just conveniently in the us
But yeah, depending where you are in the EU estimate extra 20pct for import
VAT is not an issue
It's not VAT
In the US the y have alternative method of direct taxation
It's import from non EU to the eu
source?
If an item you are buying cost 100 bucks, by the time it gets to you could end up costing you 150 180 bucks
Source of what?
this cost of importing something from outside of the eu to the eu that isn't VAT
Dude
I'm not going to go online to prove something to you which I studied over 5 years, want to know look it up
ye, it's called VAT
It's simple, direct tax is only attributable to local consumer
how am gonna look it up if neither you nor me knows what it's called
Anything outside treated as impex tax
Vat stands for value added tax
Import tax is not
You already been told that it's import tax
which is not applicable
In the US there is no vat
if you buy or import something into the EU as regular peepo, you pay VAT
It's simply called a sales tax
like 19%
you haven't told me anything of value
there isnt anything else to it, unless it's special regulatory goods
Dude, I have studied tax and accounting in 3 diff countries are you for real?
idk what you studied, either everyone i bought from is a moron or you're wrong
Did you not read this?
it doesn't provide any meaningful information
What exactly are you looking for?
Be specific in your enquiry
this "import tax" you're talking about
so define it
Just Google the current rates from us to wherever you are
Where are you in the EU?
What have you bought? There is deminimis charge applicable on certain goods. If you bought an eraser or a cheap old pen then you won't get import tax but your local state will charge you vat as a consumer
Also they can't be morons
It's their job to control taxation
it's 19% VAT up to 150€ and 19% VAT + extra charges above
this applies to the whole EU
no mention of "import tax" anywhere
Customs and excise duty in the industry is known as import tax
good to know
then why didn't you say customs and excise duty
Different states have different vat regimes
I personally cover three where the charge ranges currently from 18 to 23
*21
Because it's not what one says in convo
You both being a bit daft here, and childish. Do you actually want to know the real cost of importing goods or just want to split hair?
idk man, there's just one person pretending to be smarter than everyone else here
Smarter no, knowledgeable for sure. For two main reasons, I'm older than you with more life experience and I do ha ACA after my name as well as CTA
so, do i need to flex my certifiations to be able to talk to you or will you bask us common plebs with your knowledge by thine one grace
because duties have been a thing since before either of us were born
If you are giving an advice to someone, then for sure
Again, you are being childish and bratish
the irony seems to be completely lost on you
What has that to do with price of fish?
Enlighten me
you're calling people childish while boasting that you're older and have more life experience, many years of studies and knowledge but being completely unable to answer a very simple question
To add to the above, please flex away, so we do know to reach out to you for an advice whenever any matter requiring your attention comes up
What question would that be?
"look it up"
I called you childish for one simple reason, instead of listening to someone's response to an enquiry of your own, you were attempting to prove something was wrong
please do point out where I was allegedly attempting to prove something was wrong
I still don't see it
how dare you question the almighty oracle
Is this the LFG chat ?
no
I am more than happy to help with the concept but I am unable to help you if you don't ask the question
i have asked the question multiple times
See, this is exactly what I mean by childish behaviour
i prefer not to. flexing in random forums is meaningless unless you offer verifiable proof. instead i prefer to offer advice which is verifiable via a simple google search
Verifiable proof? Are you glad to share your certs here?
i haven't shared anything of the sort
If tax was so simple do you think peeps would have to study it? Don't make me laugh
didnt study 5 years to find this one
This exactly my point. What proof do you want?
Amazing!
default VAT rates for shipping INTO the EU
How can it be default if every state has its own cat regime?
now unless cora is trying to import special goods like uranium rods, i think every import calculator will do just fine
That is the whole point of vat that every EU state can set their own, it's not just passed down by ECB or something
Ok, what is your goal here, to disprove someone that import tax would be added on top of "sales" tax or vat?
Why don't you buy a pair of shoes which are over 200 bucks from the US, and once you have received the logistics companies invoice share with us the good news that the only tax you had to pay was the VAT?
if you're so knowledgeable, why can't you itemize each of these taxes that aren't VAT instead of saying "look it up"
And there is no default
Because my expertise do not extend to importing goods, I don't work in logistics, I work in finance, so crazy and vat in some states are my bread and butter
Plus
so you just spat nonsense about a topic you don't actually know anything about
I already told you that the main tax you would have to pay is the import tax
which isn't true
Not sure what else do you expect
Tell me which part of my response did you find nonsensical?
What is not true?
the whole "import tax" which you still haven't provided a source for
Dude
We already had this convo
You already blamed me for not being precise in calling it customs and excise tax
Remember?
neither of those are applicable
so I'm not sure what taxes I'm paying that aren't VAT
What is not applicable?
customs or excise duties
It's not or
It's "and"
This is daft
Do you want help or not?
This whole thing is totally moronic
I'm glad we agree on at least one thing
I'm sharing my experience with you here for free
but everything you say conflicts directly with what the eu says and you provide no sources
so how am i supposed to take any of it seriously
Ok, unless you are going to be a bit more of an adult here then there is no point in this exchange
You are just being childish
amazing conclusion
stop being so childish, cora
Do you have a better one?

I asked you not once, which EU state are you in?
Because taxes vary from state to state
what taxes
grapes can't be exported from the us
Now that is a daft statement, confirms the childish behaviour all over again
how is it a daft statement?
Why not?
i cannot get us grapes because they don't have FDA approved
Wahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
The following items that are not labeled in English, or without FDA-approved labeling requirements:
Non-prescription medications
Dietary supplements
Cosmetics
Food
are they that good?
So you telling me, wherever you live you cannot buy US made wine?
god, i haven't "imported" british winegums since before brexit
what a daft question
Ok, let's follow your logic, and you show us proof to your statement that us grapes are not exportable out of the US
This looks like an argument
Whaaaaaat
Anyone mind giving me a recap?
okay worded it wrong there
grapes obviously can be exported out of the us under some circumstances
but i personally cannot export grapes
Not sure what that has to do with anything
What are you trying to say?
you're asking for proof that grapes can't be exported out of the us, I can't provide said proof because that isn't the case
Ok I'm with you now, however I am still confused as to why you were talking about exporting grapes?
you said this
Dude that's an idiom
A phrase meaning whatever
I have no clue what you are attempting to import
So one use "whatever" in that respect
you're so knowledgeable, but you didn't know I can't import grapes
honestly quite tragic
Of course not, how can I tell what your head decides for you
I'm not psychic
so apparently the US are the 3rd largest exporter of grapes worldwide
here's your random tidbit of the day
my head didn't decide that, us customs and border protection decided it
Good to know, ta v much
What are you talking about?
Dude you are being totally random
i can't import grapes, they are perishable food that will not pass US customs, i did not make the decision that they won't pass
Are you saying wherever you are in the EU you have a ban on US grapes?
no.
Aghhh
that's not even close to what is implied here
Ok try again then
See that
wat
Not you Cora
right, and the exporters of grape are not individual people
Reusing your titbit
do you want me to make coras point digestible
You are hilarious, go and get a medal
cora (as a person) cannot export grapes from the US due to the lack of FDA approval
if cora (as a person of wealth or corp) were to get FDA approval
cora (as a person or corp) may export grapes from the US

I still do not see your point
See, this is what I mean, childish
You want to argue? I am giving you the chance
argue about what?
are you arguing that I can import grapes?
if you are, argue with us customs and border protection instead
But I am letting you know I cannot follow your logic as you are now talking about exporting grapes from the US being banned
I'm not talking about exporting grapes from the us being banned
I see, tbh I don't give two hoots what you can and cannot import, I only tried to share my painful experiences importing goods from the US
If you want to be so difficult about accepting other persons view, all I can say too you is good luck
i don't give two hoots about anyone's view, i want factual information
which you seem unable to provide
This?
If you want factual, then help out people to help you and answer simple questions such as where in the EU you are
that doesn't matter since the ruling is universal
All you asked for was other person's experience which was shared
Ruling of what? Customs?
ruling of what I need to pay when importing stuff from outside of the eu
Again, that all depends where you are
and when I asked for experiences, i didn't ask for false statements presented as facts
If you were in IE you have more favourable rate Vs say Czech Republic
what rate
What false statement?
You have to look it up
I already told you, I don't work in logistics
Or customs
what do i have to look up
This
look up your country there
you haven't answered the question
What question? Hope not the grapes agin
what is this "rate" you're talking about
Rate of import tax or c&a duty if you want to be so pedantic plus vat of course.
1+1 = 2
And what false statement have I provided you with?
we've already covered VAT, and I've already said customs and excise duties aren't applicable
Again, not sure what you expect at this point? Where did you say that what you are buying is not import taxable?
What did we cover about VAT? Your incorrect assumption that the VAT rate is the same all over the EU?
I've never had nor communicated such assumption
VAT rates differ, the ruling does not
So what exactly do you mean?
Gesus
Your pigeon and chess idiom springs to mind here
How ironic
I tried to be a good.contributor here, and shared something you were interested in. Not sure your claim of me providing you with "false statement presented as fact" is your misconception of what I said or it is fair since I have not misinformed you or tried to give you a professional advice. What I would suggest to you when asking questions, if you do not want to hear other people's view is not to ask questions
Otherwise,.it is time wasted for all
Anyway
I am going to bed now
unless you can prove otherwise, I'll take this as a false statement
If you would like to continue this discuss, feel free to ping me a dm
As I said I'm off to bed
Will this suffice?
no, since i already posted that info right at the beginning and said that customs and excise duties aren't applicable
It's not what you asked for

It's a sales tax
The regime is entirely different to vat
Where did you say that whatever you were buying will not trigger an import tax?
here
I didn't post vat rates, but an expert from vat table which disclaims that there is no VAT regime in the US
That not the beginning
So if anyone being false that is you now
this is the beginning, and the linked article covers customs and excise duties
Beging in y opinion would be your initial post or one after which would further clarify any details of the transaction
I don't click on links on forums, did you try to explain that whatever you were buying does not trigger the import tax?
no, but had you initially said customs and excise duties, i would have
but you kept talking about "import tax" which i had no idea meant customs and excise duties
Its all the same concept to me, hence I still call it an import tax. Even if you google it refers to the same term
So what are you buying?
if i google import tax, it comes up with VAT
The first site is the EU's document board, literally any legislative document there is in relation to the EU is published, discussed there
which is exactly what I linked
?
As I said, I don't click on links
And don't send them, knowingly
what are you trying to say
I don't click on links posted on forums
and?
And don't send them, knowingly, unless by some wired accident
Simple, that I would not even seen what you have linked
This
you point to the same resource yourself, but because you haven't read it, you don't know the word "import tax" isn't mentioned anywhere
Import tax and more modern c&a duty as I said is used interchangeably in the industry
and I'm a normal person, not in the industry
In the tax world, if you mention import tax or c&a d everyone would assume the same concept
And your point is that everyone who posts something in reply to you have to provide with the exact terminology your search engine is capable to comprehend isit?
well basically yes
Since you are being pedantic let not use normal person with such an ease
i don't think it's unreasonable to expect someone to use exact terms rather than illogical jargon
I share my experience with you, you take what you need from it. What you don't understand or fits with your comprehension is way beyond my interest. Sorry for being rude now, but you have been most unpleasant person I had to deal with in a long time
so glad to hear that
Childish and difficult are the two easy adjectives I can think of
I would not be proud of it
Absolutely the opposite
Again
happy to be a universally loved member of the community
If you don't want anyone's opinion, why don't you gogle your heart out
Oh man or person since you are so pedantic when it comes to terms, you can't be more wrong
My US imported no mgo grape juice run out, so have no more interest in continuing our lovely discuss. I say good night
good night
Famous last words
yes
according to reddit, 100% of products in a line that may have had a defect should all immediately present the worst possible outcome of said defect
"put it in the oven at 450 degrees for 96 hours to reflow the explodinators and it should work just fine" -Elightened_Steve
it's a 3060 ti, should i still put it in the oven?
and upper/lower or with hot air
i just checked, my oven only does 230C
is that ok
Yes
Guys can someone hack my social club account back pls
i can't play beacouse i got hacked
dm me
you open a ticket with rockstar support like every normal person
kid
i want them to always be like this regardless of what i search
you don't seem to even understand the problem so why are you being a complete dickhead
u dont have to be a disrespectful asshole and contribute nothing to the discussion?





