other-games

[analog sedge]

cant do that

[misty osprey]

Wha

[analog sedge]

and the higlight is gone depending on the gamemode

[misty osprey]

Harsh red means I can hit them, faded means they went behind cover

But how am I supposed to compete with enemies not even showing up

[analog sedge]

hardh red means you cant pen them

[misty osprey]

No I mean their names overhad

[analog sedge]

white means you are too far for the armor inspector to determine

oh

[analog sedge]

look exusia

i really cant help but tell you that its completely normal

you have to get used to the maps

i wasnt good either when i started

[misty osprey]

No im asking lol, what does one do to counter that

[analog sedge]

i spent a few days, trying to learn maps from each death

and it worked well

[analog sedge]

not expose yourself too much

lets play a game together

[misty osprey]

Like tje gun zoom isn't far enough how do people see that far

[analog sedge]

they dont

the game is realistic

they put realistic zoom inside each tank

so a tank can have 30x zoom like the russians

[misty osprey]

I can play tomorrow I'm headed to bed lol

[analog sedge]

to a 3x zoom like early tanks

okay

this just happened

[misty osprey]

But its all different types, how do you calculate shell drop that far? Or does it give you the X still

[analog sedge]

you know the reticle you get from the sniper mode?

we get used to it

you feel the shell speed

on average, most shells have the same, or similar speed

if you arent counting in HEAT/HE shots all that much

you have to get used to it

and playing arcade can help you understand

[misty osprey]

You're sure this isn't an issue of seal clubbers on top of the innexperience?

[analog sedge]

look

you are familiar with what skill floor and skill ceiling is, right?

i can try to explain it to you like that

[misty osprey]

Repairs feel inconsistent is it tied to how much is being fixed?

[analog sedge]

yes

[misty osprey]

Thought so

[analog sedge]

if there are many things damaged at once

it repairs all of them, at once

[misty osprey]

And the crew replenishment, is that random or is there an order to ut

[analog sedge]

they replace the crew by less useful member

so if a loader gets taken out, the radio commander will swap his position

[misty osprey]

So if I lose a radioman and commander it will pick up thw radioman firsr?

[analog sedge]

commander

itll replace commander

higher priority crew member

[misty osprey]

Yeeeee

I do not like the h35 lol its just like wot

Slow, and only 2 crew

[analog sedge]

i mean

france fucking sucks

[misty osprey]

Lmao

[analog sedge]

i would reccomend playing germany

because their tanks are more consistent

panther D got a shit ton of armor

and a good gun

same for tiger

[misty osprey]

But
..but...oscillating turrets....

[analog sedge]

but you know

when you play germany

you get tanks that are "overpowered"

theyre not overpowered, but you feel like they are

because most other enemies have tanks that rely on shooting your weakspots

so they often suck pp

id reccomend you start there

[misty osprey]

I just want tanks that are fun

[analog sedge]

just to get the hang of it

[analog sedge]

try the german ones

they do well

good damage, pen and a balance

id say, pick germany

get the fun tiger and panthers

play around, get more familiar with the game

and then go for USA

[misty osprey]

Also the e100 is $2000 and noone is selling. And maus isn't up for main tech tree

Thats wild

[analog sedge]

both event vehicles

except e100 is limited

maus gets added for a temporary amount of time as a grindable event vehicle

[misty osprey]

Yeah I saw it just strikes me as super wild because they're both like.....in the public consience

[analog sedge]

the reason these tanks arent in the tech tree is that they're too hard to balance

like

the maus

youd expect it to be quite a tank right?

[misty osprey]

Yeah I read some reciews

[analog sedge]

well the BR it sits at

it fights enemies (like t54) that realistically have a LOT of penetration

[misty osprey]

It either shits on everyone below it or gets squatted on

[analog sedge]

the t54, with HEAT, gets 380mm of pen

this game is dedicated to being accurate to its real life ammunition and alikes

so even in a medium tank, which is quite medicore

like the t54

can pen up to almost 40cm of pure armor

thats enough to take out your maus and you wont be able to do much

[misty osprey]

Yee

Anything below them struggles to hurt them, everything above laughs because they have flat sides

[analog sedge]

as i said

doesnt matter how much armor you have

you can shoot your enemy's cannon

and they gotta sit still, not move their tank for 30-40 seconds

to fully repair it

while not being able to shoot

thats the main thing about this game

it doesnt matter if the enemy is playing a super op, better at every stat tank

shoot their barrel and they cant do anything

flank, shoot their tracks

tracks take like 30 seconds to replace too

thats how you eliminate thing by thing and he cant do anything

the thing with this game is that you need to learn how to get used to its gameplay

what youre playing is arcade, which is often a mess

if you can see the enemy easily, so can he

so he will have no problem finding you, the same way you dont have a problem finding his teammates

[analog sedge]

@misty osprey this is what i want you to stick in when you play

another basic advice is to go with your team

not that they are gonna do someting smart

[misty osprey]

Yeah I've taken to poking and stuff while watching surrounding hills

[analog sedge]

but in general, they go to positions you should be familiar with

[misty osprey]

So I don't get popped in thw side

[analog sedge]

and also

this game as you progress with the technology

it becomes easier

[misty osprey]

What does

[analog sedge]

as you play more modern tanks

they add in features to help you

you know what a lazer range finder is?

[misty osprey]

Much like what I'm familiar with it feels like I'm fighting my own tank to do things

[analog sedge]

you add a keybind, click it, and in less than a second, the cannon automatically adjusts to the distance you're aiming at

[misty osprey]

I assume that's a t1 thing

[analog sedge]

no

not really

its that tanks back then were really hard to understand and maximize

like you cant play peekaboo with a tank from the ww2

the suspension is shit, and will make your vertical stab shit itself

[misty osprey]

Right, all the low tiers feel hard to drive and aim and spot with. T3 and such just...respondes to movements

[analog sedge]

this is the more top tier gameplay

im shooting behind a hill, and they're so far away that

i have to elevate my gun so high that i can literally not expose myself to shoot it

[misty osprey]

You hit the dirt

And hit him

[analog sedge]

no

[misty osprey]

Speaking of. There's no arty?

They're all Tds

[analog sedge]

this is the round that all modern MBTs use

you see how it says "discarding sabot"

[misty osprey]

I'm familiar

[analog sedge]

fuck

ya cant send a gif

[misty osprey]

So the dirt hit is the Discarded bit?

[analog sedge]

yes

its modeled in-game

and it does damage as well

[misty osprey]

Why tho

[analog sedge]

because it happens in real life

it discards the things at the same speed as the bullet itself

[misty osprey]

Is there team damage

[analog sedge]

they're just not meant to do anything

no

[analog sedge]

but you can teamkill with planes

[misty osprey]

Huh

That's...why would that be thw wxcwption

[analog sedge]

planes and helis

those are the 2 only other vehicles you can bring to ground combat

so technically every vehicle has teamkill

except tanks

because who would've guessed what happens when you give a player a top tier MBT, modern enough to have an auto-reloading gun of 4 seconds, with over 600m of pen, and the ability to teamkill

i dont think it would be very smart

these are the things im talking about

the fins

they discard and they are modeled

so thats why it hit the dirt

one below, 2 in the sides, one above

[misty osprey]

Ye

[analog sedge]

the skill level on this game is similar to a parabolic curve

you start at the low tiers, and the skill you need to be good is actually low

i know that can sound a bit unreal but

once you get the hang of it man

you GET the hang of it

you wont be doing a mediocre 3 kill game

you'll be getting 10 kills on average

its actually stupid

then as you progress, face the ww2 tanks and end-ww2 tanks

they become way tricker as theres no modern technology to make you have the best pen, best moblity or best armor

when you reach cold war tanks, they tend to have a technological advance

like thermal sights, rolled homogeneous armor, rangefinder, hard-kill, etc

the reason the m1 abrams is a strong hulldown tank is that they put fucking concrete inside the tank

armor inspector

doesnt show anything

just like 30mm of armor

then on the x-ray

over 800MM of protection

this type of composite armor is only developed in cold war tanks

so you wont actually have armor until you hit the usa/ussr war era

your average m4 tank

its really easy to understand why you get one shot

look at how close the crew is one to another, one shot and it does enough spall to kill them all

look at how unsafe the ammo is stored, one spall destroying one ammoshell means the entire thing explodes

its this kind of knowledge you should consider to why the tanks fucking suck

back then they thought: "if i combine good armor with good gun, i will have the perfect tank"
hence why so many heavy tanks were built

when only a handfull of them perform well

like the tigers themselves

[analog sedge]

yes

you can request air strike with ur radio commander

its a bunch of HE shells falling off the sky

barely doesnt any damage to the enemy

you can also play with arty tanks

[misty osprey]

Is that what these planes on 7 8 and 9 are

[analog sedge]

no

the planes lets u fly with them for a few minutes

you can get them and bomb people lol

or shoot them with ur guns

they're usually 12mm or 20mm guns

this is the air strike

arty strike

i just call air cuz they fall off the sky

now that was the most lucky ass fucking arty strike i got LMAO

but yeah it kills if the enemy gets hit by them

its completely random range

like it doesnt aim for any enemies, it just falls off the sky in the place you marked

[analog sedge]

the forum

[wispy narwhal]

Although it goes both ways @misty osprey

Air vehicles can TK ground, ground can TK air

And air can also TK air

@sour swallow ^

Advertising

[analog sedge]

holy shit

[wispy narwhal]

Also
RHA (Rolled homogeneous armour) is a WW2 thing, not modern lol

Composite armour is modern

[analog sedge]

this server has a russian officer that speaks 4 languages and is a mod

insane

[wispy narwhal]

Not RHA

[analog sedge]

ya i forgot the name

i switched with composite

iw as gonna say spaced armor

but thats not a thing

[wispy narwhal]

I mean Composite armour can incorporate spaced armour

RHA is just steel
Composite armour is 'Composite' - many materials + layers

Such as space, rubber, ceramic, chobham (abrams/challenger classified Composite array) steel, ERA, NERA

[sour swallow]

Deal with the skills

[analog sedge]

respect

[sour swallow]

Thank you

[analog sedge]

nice

[wispy narwhal]

'Preciate it

[sour swallow]

I'll be honest, my Japanese is rusty and I forgot how to speak Spanish... So I only fluently speak two languages...

[analog sedge]

Well I think this happens to many people who enjoy learning new languages

Russian is what im trying to make my 3rd language, I enjoy much of media written in the language, but I can never truly understand it

Its waaaaay too hard for me

Since I'm a latin-speaker since birth

@wispy narwhal exusia is suffering in war thunder now

Since you're arcade main you could help bro out

[sour swallow]

Bucket...

[wispy narwhal]

Enjoy

[wispy narwhal]

If you need anything, just ask @misty osprey

1500H
AB Main
Only RB mode I play is Air RB
Which is, very fun

I don't play GRB though

GAB, NAB, ARB and sometimes low tier air AB

[wispy narwhal]

C o n t a i n e r o f l i q u i d

[wispy narwhal]

I'm quasi knowledgeable in Cyrillic languages
Was learning Ukrainian & Russian but I put them on the backburner during my final months of school & exams
Need to get back into it at some point

[analog sedge]

ukranian is quite useful to learn

if you learn both of these you already can speak to around 200million speakers of the language

on top of that you can visist the other countries for their culture

the ones which were previously in ussr

[wispy narwhal]

I'm at least becoming proficient in some Cyrillic languages mostly for enjoyment + future work

[analog sedge]

had this happen the other day @wispy narwhal

one shot a m1a2 sep with stock t-80UK heat round

this was his reaction

"report!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" lmao

also, did i tell you i bought the mig-23ml or not? i wanted to get the mig-29 since i just found out how good it is for BVR

so far doing great

i got both SU-7B variants already

[wispy narwhal]

Understandable

I hate HEAT-FS

I refuse to use it if I have a choice

I literally stock grind with HE, it's a much better experience

[analog sedge]

is HEAT irl a good round for its cost given its pen effectiveness or not?

becuase its understandable its commonly used in most tanks

despite not being the best

[wispy narwhal]

HEAT was only good as a 'multi-purpose round'
Ie: M830A1 MPAT, which quickly replaced 'basic' HEAT-FS in US service

Any actual anti tank work uses APFSDS

Tankers used HEAT-FS more as an anti environment explosive, not an anti tank round

Also HEAT-FS isn't cost effective compared to APFSDS lol @analog sedge

[analog sedge]

ya

thought it was cheap

its basically a fucking granade

[wispy narwhal]

the military buys depleted uranium for pennies on the dollar from the Department of energy, who happily sell it, because it means less waste to store
Then they cast it + refine it into the dart, and the plastic combustible case costs nothing too

HEAT-FS on the other hand? It's not 'just an explosive'
It requires complex manufacturing, from shaped charge production to fuze production and tail assembly integration, along with explosive composition integration

There's a saying
Every time an A-10 fires it's gun, or an abrams fires a dart, the department of energy cries tears of joy.
Because it means the military will be buying more depleted uranium, meaning the DoE can reduce their waste stockpile of spent nuclear reactor fuel @analog sedge

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge we do the silly

[analog sedge]

insane

[wispy narwhal]

i fucking love this thing

it's my chill aircraft

just

mach 1

furball punch

[wispy narwhal]

@misty osprey

flying in the cockpit view in this is fun

such a nice cockpit

especially while ground hugging

ha you tried

[analog sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/785720836219994133/1179398764511891506/War_Thunder_-_Em_batalha_2023-11-21_17-33-01.mp4?ex=6579a3b1&is=65672eb1&hm=5cee1c4f0f5e7844f42e1cb45148789906648536bd66b9276d6a8f2bcb16922a&

this feels way more awesome

[misty osprey]

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge TELL THEM TO GIVE UP

i'm fucking crippled and mans cant keep up

he still chasing me

@wanton lotus lmao

i was flying perfectly fine lmao

god i love this thing

[wispy narwhal]

single piece full view canopy
BOOORING

[wispy narwhal]

lmao what

[misty osprey]

Jets....

[wispy narwhal]

F-111 🥰

[wanton lotus]

Still never got a response from the devs

[wispy narwhal]

lmao

aardvark my beloved @analog sedge

dies in the aardvark without bombing a base

i dont care, i had fun on the trip

@analog sedge @misty osprey

[analog sedge]

wadahellllll omaga no wayayayaay

[wispy narwhal]

high speed, low drag

yes way

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge i unironically prefer the heavy load f-111

i'm too used to it

high speed low drag feels too light lmao

[analog sedge]

Sped

[wispy narwhal]

idk it just feels weird

maybe i'm just used to how a heavy load f-111 flies

[tiny yoke]

W

gamepass is putting on more and more bangers every passing day

[naive aurora]

Would take the gamepass if my download speed wasnt 2mo/s

[wicked apex]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jYl_iBCLZaE&si=FVf7jgB0F2sd3VkG

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CHtd3oVt1QE&si=R1hmtyWBCHjRMV7J

@sterile sluice 👀

[woeful sluice]

More bombs

[frail jasper]

@unreal light left squad fill on by accident

hes STILL chilling on the water

[simple basalt]

Rip all of what that was

[misty osprey]

@wispy narwhal
Is France as bad as gaben says? I like the idea of oscillating turrets like the batchat, but the us and I think Germany has one and I'll get hose if that's the case

[analog sedge]

do you like no stabilizers?

if so, you are choosing the right nation

[misty osprey]

I dont know

[analog sedge]

you wont see them until modern mbts

[analog sedge]

do you like being able to fire while moving and not wasting your time to get your gun to stabilize after you stop moving

if the answer is no, then france does as you wish

[misty osprey]

Uh I guess? I don't understand do the T1s have stabilizers?

Or is this a mechanic I haven't even seen yet

[analog sedge]

exusia i thought u knew more about IRL tank stuff lol

stabilizers werent a thing until late cold war

until the 1960s

yes you had stabilizers back then, but they are not as effective as today

[misty osprey]

Ok so I don't understand your question. You can already shoot while moving

[analog sedge]

okay one second

ill show you what i mean

[misty osprey]

Like I understand they probably in-game impart an accuracy increase while moving but like

I'm already used to things like Wot and dealing with accuracy bloom

And some tanks you put up with that because other traits offset it

[analog sedge]

fuc

[analog sedge]

french tanks lack stabilizers

[unreal light]

Fish

[analog sedge]

the amx-13

and all of its variants

have absolutely no stabilizer

[misty osprey]

Im..used to that then

[analog sedge]

early USA tanks

have at least vertical stabilizers

which minimaly helps you to aim

im saying that

france is not good for starters

their guns are poor, their tanks are slow, and it doesnt get better until the AMX tanks

and even in the AMX tanks, they still suffer

amx-13 itself doesnt have APHE

so its essentially an AP shell that does no damage

as long as theyre ammo in the turret (AKA "clip" as what we would say in WOT), it takes 5 seconds to reload each one

which is alright, since theres a lot of ammo

but its not like wot where its like 2.5 intraclip

if you miss a shot, theres no real salvation

this is a cold-war early MBT developed by france

it doesnt have a vertical stabilizer which is the most basic thing a tank could have

at this era, USA was producing the m60s (and close to developing the m1 abrams) and they at least had either two-planes stabilizers or vertical

you can see if a gun has a stab by going into X-RAY, hovering over the gun and seeing if it has gun stab

amx-50 for example

compared to a modern mbt

[misty osprey]

What tier does that kick in, or is it different for everyone

[analog sedge]

usually at cold war

this is tier 6

and guess what

france has like

out of 10 tanks

only like 2 of them have vertical stabilizers

[misty osprey]

No if I get oscillating it probably won't be any higher than like.....7.7 where the batchat and Lorraine and amx13 end

[analog sedge]

well

their only strong point is the autoloader

their only strengths are that

because they dont have APHE

pen is decent

they're too easy to kill

no armor

not as fast as youd think they are

[misty osprey]

How's the mag dump, that's kinda the selling point innit

[analog sedge]

and sometimes dont perform so well

[analog sedge]

wdym

like rounds per mag?

amx-50 has 19 rounds in its magazine with 6.0 seconds of reload between each shot

amx-13-90 has 12, 5 seconds reload between each

no APHE for both vehicles

[misty osprey]

Yeah, the big selling point in wot is that the mag reloads are faster per-shot than equal tiers. Just that interclips are painful

Like a 2 second between shots, is faster than anyone else, but your magazine takes 45s

[analog sedge]

thats not realistic to the tank

so in war thunder its gonna be more realistic

[misty osprey]

I realize that. I'm asking if the shots come out faster than your peers

Is that the case here as well

[misty osprey]

Is this faster than an equal tierred vehicle

[analog sedge]

can you rephrase that i didnt understand

[analog sedge]

somewhat yes

[misty osprey]

So a normal reload at thet tier is like 7-8 seconds, and the 1390 gets one every 5

And then you have to run away to reload

[analog sedge]

no

[misty osprey]

?

[analog sedge]

you can stay still

and let your reloader put in each shell physically

[misty osprey]

Like reloading a revolver?

[analog sedge]

he takes them out of the storage, and puts into the clip

[analog sedge]

basically

you can shoot once and reload one bullet

[misty osprey]

So it's not a magazine, it's a revolver feed

[analog sedge]

if thats your goal

[analog sedge]

im not sure

however

if you have to waste all the shots

that means shoot all the rounds in the stowage

so then you can replace them

because some tanks are like that

and some arnet

@misty osprey read this

[misty osprey]

Seems about right

What does it mean "backup vehicles" when buying premiums

[analog sedge]

when playing realistic

you will get spawn points once you do actions

once you die with a tank

its locked, and you cant use it again

but if you have a lot of SP, and also a backup, u can use the same tank again

for one more time

[misty osprey]

Sp?

[analog sedge]

spawn points

sp

[misty osprey]

I've noticed it lets me bring both tanks of a nation to a fight

Can I bring like.....2 or 3 nations?

[analog sedge]

what

[misty osprey]

When I load into a game it lets me play as the pz3e and pz35t

If I die I can pick the other

I get 2 lives

[analog sedge]

in arcade, you can spawn with up to 3 times

with any tank of your lineup

[misty osprey]

Can I also bring the Russian t-26 and French t-35

[analog sedge]

no

[misty osprey]

To fill those slots

So I have to pick 3 tanks of one nation

[analog sedge]

if you're playing arcade

realistic is based off spawn points

so if youre getting some kills, doing some activity

you can spawn as many tanks/planes you can

as long as you got the SP to it

[misty osprey]

Better you are lets you use the tickets to spawn. Seems straightforward

[analog sedge]

https://wiki.warthunder.com

use this site

to learn about a tank's pros and cons

they have a full detailed guide on what a tank has

https://wiki.warthunder.com/AMX-50_Surbaisse

this is amx 50 for instance

[misty osprey]

The 15cm bison 2 has 2 tanks in its unlock

Do I have to unlock the second tank in that slot to move to the pzj 1

[analog sedge]

ill explain

one second

[misty osprey]

This

Do I have to unlock that second tank in at window or can I just begin working on the pzj

[misty osprey]

Also with the way backups work, if I buy a premium t5 for example does that mean if I die I'm stuck bringing a br1 to a br3 fight?

[analog sedge]

yes

in the same br of the other tank

[misty osprey]

[analog sedge]

also

br means battle rating

you need to use it to describe a tank

because rank does not by any chance tell me what br it is

[misty osprey]

So I can't bring a super hellcat, ostwind, and CAX, even though they're the same Rank (close enough br)

[analog sedge]

isnt ostwin german

[misty osprey]

3 different nations

[analog sedge]

no

only one nation

[misty osprey]

I can't bring those I'd be stuck with a t14 and 2 br1 americans

In a br 4.7 fight

Is that like....to sell you more premiums of a nation??

That means you either buy 3 premiums of a similar nation and tier, or you just buy 1 and quit when you die

[analog sedge]

yeah

and no

its not to sell more premiums

the premiums act as they were listed

they grind a lot

so what people tend to do

is buy a top tier premium

so not only the grind their early brs, but also mid to top tier BRs

with a premium

because

a tank, from a certain rank, cannot research another tank from 2 above/below its own rank

so i cant use a rank 4 to grind a rank 2 or 1

and i cant use a rank 2 to grind a rank 4

premiums change that

it grinds all the way below, and one above

[misty osprey]

But that pushes people to spend $66, to get a top tier for 10k gold, then just play it over and over and leaving games

That would ruin the games any of those premiums are in

[analog sedge]

yeah thats the reality most of the time

but being honest

[misty osprey]

[analog sedge]

like

i have a premium M1 KVT abrams

i can

singlehandedly

put in 3-6 kills with a single tank

before dying

[misty osprey]

That uh kinda feels like what I was wanting to do

[analog sedge]

which is usually the average kills youd get with a whole lineup

in realistic

so if you are good with a tank

it doesnt matter

putting in 4-6 kills in the table already helps the team

its like doing the damage to your team in wot, and then dying

you can help them anymore, but you already took a few units out

[misty osprey]

Not necessarily TOP br but high enough to get to br 7 or so

[analog sedge]

bro max rank is 7 lmao

thats where most modern mbts sit that

[misty osprey]

Br7 not rank 7

[analog sedge]

at

[misty osprey]

Lol

[analog sedge]

br 7.0

i see

[misty osprey]

Yeah but that's super irritating I can't bring more than 1 nation

That means I have to buy at least 1 premium per nation to do that

Or grind a tree

Which, fair enough

[analog sedge]

yes

but picture this

you have one premium tank

guessing its good, and you get the hang of it

on average youll be dropping 10k-15k research points per match

match lasting 10-15 minutes

the t-34 for example

itself

takes 71k research to get

so i mean

get 7 good games, and you already got the tank

its not a super intense, 100+ games grind to get to your br in a tech tree

what happens is that more modern vehicles will have surprisingly higher cost

t-34 is a 6.7 BR vehicle, costs 71k XP to get

the t95e1 is 8.3 br vehicle, but costs 131k to get

then we have the first m1a1 abrams variants, its 10.3 BR vehicle, but it costs 320k XP

so you can see that modern tanks/cold war tanks incresingly go high up in xp

and the difference is only a few digits of battle rating

so until you hit 7.0, grinding the tech tree should be remotely easier

than if you were to grind a m1 abrams

[misty osprey]

Jesus what. I make 300

[analog sedge]

you're playing arcade

and with a tech tree vehicle

[misty osprey]

[analog sedge]

arcade gives less, and tech tree vehicles also less

[misty osprey]

Mmmmmm

[analog sedge]

you can see the bonus on their tank stats

one second

[misty osprey]

So what you're saying is

Play realistic and corner camp for those sweet sweet survivability points

[analog sedge]

sp doesnt relaly matter

you get it by doing anything

on average if you do absolute no damage or anything oyu can spawn in 2 tanks

if you get one kill per tank, it can go up to 4 tanks

so i mean

one kill, c'mon

thats not too hard

[misty osprey]

No I mean for research

Survival counts for xp right

[analog sedge]

this is how research works and how they're calculated

[analog sedge]

no

[misty osprey]

Bruh

[true sedge]

count it

[wispy narwhal]

France currently has the highest win rates of any nation

Enough said

Shits great

[wispy narwhal]

1940s*

Centurion mark 2

2 axis stab

Cent mk2 with a 2 axis stabilised 17pdr should NOT be at 6.7 lmfao
Clowning on 5.7/6.0 GER (Tiger 1s/Panthers) with it is too fun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1158910476563005490/1179369461971681310/War_Thunder_2023.11.26_-_19.16.42.01.mp4?ex=65798867&is=65671367&hm=8b0c51c83d957cf9969453f366f22013d463c1034074fb477368f79d0c8b41ba&

[misty osprey]

Ok so how do I go back DOWN the br rating and play a lower tier vehicle@wispy narwhal

[wispy narwhal]

You just slot that vehicle into a lineup and press play?

[misty osprey]

What's a lineup

This wasn't explained

[misty osprey]

Yeah it shows everything I have unlocked for that nation

[wispy narwhal]

Pic

Right click on one of those slots, click select vehicle

@misty osprey

Or, go into tbe tech tree and click the uhh

I can't remember the name of it

But each vehicle should have like a 'crew' button

Press that, put it in a lineup

If you want I'll log on really quick and get pics for anything you need

@misty osprey

you see?

[analog sedge]

What tanks had two planes at the 40s?

[wispy narwhal]

see above

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge

and no thats not 'just arcade

cent mk2 had a full 2 axis stab

1946

[open marsh]

😋

[wispy narwhal]

it's mainly that its low tier, less so arcade

arcade matches are faster, so you earn more RP within a timeframe, ie, an hour, but less per match

[wispy narwhal]

and/or a talismaned tank

ALSO

PSA

@misty osprey WHEN IN DOUBT

Click this (information)

[misty osprey]

I think I got it

Whats the deal with crews

I got to 5 now it wants me to spend real hoomin moneys

[wispy narwhal]

takes you straight to the wiki for any given vehicle

[wispy narwhal]

you're playing arcade

[misty osprey]

Ok

[wispy narwhal]

you'll never need more than 5

[misty osprey]

Do these 5 just increase in efficiency as I go up tiers

[analog sedge]

At first they don't really matter all that much when playing with tanks, but in short, you play, you get experience, and they become better
Say, repairing a track tacks 30 seconds with normal crew. If I had a level 150 crew, it would reduce that for 10 seconds
Just an example

Omg

You meant the crew lineups

[wispy narwhal]

only time you'd need more than 5 is in like, naval, where you need lineups to handle every situation

[analog sedge]

Not the crew themselves

My bad

[wispy narwhal]

in arcade you get 3 spawns for ground vehicles, so you only really need three slots

[analog sedge]

Yeah

Pls exusia play realistic like a normal person and dont become arcade battles main

[wispy narwhal]

even then if you bring 'spare' vehicles for contingencies, 5 slots is enough for one vehicle of each class

[misty osprey]

What

[wispy narwhal]

L

let the man play what he wants to

[misty osprey]

I dont understand

[wispy narwhal]

as an AB main of 1500H, it's way better than people think it is

[wispy narwhal]

ignore gaben, he's being stupid

i'm the AB main, i'll help

lmao

[analog sedge]

Less fun

[misty osprey]

[wispy narwhal]

RB is less fun lmao

[wispy narwhal]

also gaben you see this stupidity?

this thing should not be able to see the 5.7/6.0 GER spam

lmao

hm i might play the mark 5/1 again

[misty osprey]

What is the difference between the two

[wispy narwhal]

the Mark 5/1 is a more modern tank

better armour, night vision, better gun

also it's australian so

have to rep

[misty osprey]

No I meant realistic

[wispy narwhal]

❤️

[wispy narwhal]

oh

realistic removes stuff like the pen indicator, autorangefinder, boosted mobility across the board for all tanks + removes visual cues

it's much slower paced, and is much more of a sniperfest

whereas AB is much more fast paced

Which, I do not like

sniperfests are snoozefests

[analog sedge]

Realistic is what he said but I don't count in the sniperfest too much
Sniping (guessing you aren't clueless of where the enemy is) is very fun to do

[analog sedge]

Tickets

[misty osprey]

We're less than five minutes and it doesn't feel that much slower

[wispy narwhal]

Many RB matches at like
5.0+ go on for up to 20mins

most AB matches are over in under 10

for ground, that is

[analog sedge]

Cuz ur playing WW2 stuff bro

Tanks aren't going 80kmh like modern battle tanks go

They're slow crappy tanks

Literally meant to just be a tank nothing else

[wispy narwhal]

also as a new player, realistic is 100% pure pain when you get to like

7.0-8.0 for the first time

[misty osprey]

What is the active scouting consumable

[wispy narwhal]

when you see an enemy, use your scope and/or binos, look at them, press V

[analog sedge]

But since arcade has markers above the enemy it's kinda uselsss

[wispy narwhal]

it'll say 'scouted + reward' or 'this target has already been scouted' and if you scout them, if they get damged/destroyed by other players, you'll get rewarded, + they get marked on the map

[wispy narwhal]

it's not
scouting rewards are still given, and it automarks enemys that arent in HUD pop up range

works basically the same as RB

[analog sedge]

Bro exusia

At this point just

Search up a basic guide

[wispy narwhal]

lmfao

[analog sedge]

On tanks

Light tanks, armor, maps

[wispy narwhal]

no

he doesn't need that yet lmao

he can learn all that later

he just needs to know the basics

armour layouts + maps are something you learn naturally as you play, not a day one thing

2 axis stab at 6.7 moment @analog sedge

high speed, gun aint moving at all LUL

Sidenote

@analog sedge https://forum.warthunder.com/t/suggestions-passed-to-the-developers-november-2023/49652

[analog sedge]

What is this

Dude

@wispy narwhal I've heard so many fucken theories and conspiracies about the new updates, then they say there are no devblogs for the next week

Is this thing a savior

[wispy narwhal]

just wait until he hits the fun stuff like hardkill APS LMAO @analog sedge

[analog sedge]

Ya I mentioned hardkill

[wispy narwhal]

no devlogs this week already confirmed by smin

[analog sedge]

Yeah

[wispy narwhal]

not next week

[analog sedge]

He said for a week so I couldn't tell when it was mentioned

[analog sedge]

AaaaRgh

Next week I got my last exams

Smh

[wispy narwhal]

good luck brotherman

[analog sedge]

Bruh what is this

F-15J and rafale but nothing for US/RUSSIA ?

So dumb

And why would they add a Mitsubishi f-15 instead of the Mitsubishi f-16 f2?

[wispy narwhal]

Wtf do you mean 'nothing'

You know the F-15 wasn't suggested for US?

Because it was in 'passed to the developers' YEARS AGO

[analog sedge]

lel

J-16?

[wispy narwhal]

This isn't this stuff is confirmed to be coming
This is we are making the developers aware players want this

[wispy narwhal]

You do realise japan... actually operates the F-15 right?

The F-15J are Japanese locally made F-15 variants

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-15J

[analog sedge]

What's the reason behind them not adding the f-2 however

Like when f-16AJ was added

[wispy narwhal]

They... never said they wouldn't?

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge READ

[analog sedge]

Ya

[wispy narwhal]

Like the F-15
the F-2 was suggested YEARS AGO

[analog sedge]

Yeah I was gonna ask that

It'd be dumb if they didn't and decided to later on add the f-15j first than the f-2

[wispy narwhal]

Not really?

[analog sedge]

Japan kinda lacks a good f-16, they do have a bl10 variant but that's about it

[wispy narwhal]

The F-15J/DJ would actually give something new
The F-2 is literally just like
A F-16C

[analog sedge]

Having a f-15 would be good

[wispy narwhal]

If they're not adding a 15C or 15D off the bat, the F15 will be a useless addition

F15A and B original models are woefully under equipped. But many people don't realise
The F/A-18A? it'd slot right into the meta with HMD, 7F, 9M, high performance + payload + good radar

The F-15A?
It's a good plane, performance wise
Yes
But that's it
As a weapons platform, it's shit

It doesn't even have countermeasures, or 9Ms

@analog sedge

And before you ask.
No, the F-15A never was capable of using AIM-120s

[analog sedge]

Fucking bullshit

Good thing I'm grinding Russia rn

Alsi

Also

[wispy narwhal]

Is the F-15 still such a good addition? Yeah I don't think so

[wispy narwhal]

Meanwhile
Wanna see something magical?

[analog sedge]

Have you seen this?

[analog sedge]

I'd be happy with the su-27 tho, altought it's a bit risky, since as the variants get more modern things like su-30, su-33 and etc become more possible in the game

And you know, at least with what we have now

[wispy narwhal]

Confirmed to be fake

[analog sedge]

I'd definitely not want a flanker d in my ass

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge

[analog sedge]

Ya

[analog sedge]

Source?

I wanna see how they did it

[wispy narwhal]

Its stop motion

[wispy narwhal]

There's SO MANY MARKINGS MISSING

Gaijin never gets markings wrong

Look at the AIM120
it's like
Low poly

[analog sedge]

Wdym stop motion

Whar

[wispy narwhal]

Low poly assets don't make It to the dev server

[wispy narwhal]

That video of the camera turning isn't one video
It's staged
Lots of screenshots merged into a 'stop motion' video

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_motion

[analog sedge]

But how did he get the missile there

[wispy narwhal]

Photoshop

[analog sedge]

You can't get a user model inside the hangar

Ain't no way bro edited pixel by pixel to make a fake video like that

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge read

[wispy narwhal]

People will go to great lengths

Low poly assets like that AIM-120, never hit the dev server

They don't even make it into the CDK

[analog sedge]

Wasn't the amraam confirmed tho?

Had someone say this to me

[wispy narwhal]

Nops

[analog sedge]

Good

[wispy narwhal]

Also
I know someone that helped make that fake video lol

That's how I know it's 100% fake

ANYWAY

[analog sedge]

[wispy narwhal]

F-15A
No amraams

Meanwhile

[analog sedge]

L bozo f-15 gonna be useless at top tier

[wispy narwhal]

F/A-18A of VX-4 Test squadron

Fucking TEN AMRAAMS

F/A-18 My beloved

[analog sedge]

f-5E on anabolics

[wispy narwhal]

You'll love it

[analog sedge]

Except it was loved by its own creator

Unlike the f-5e

Poor thing

Jk jk that psrt

F-18 is interesting addition

But isn't there a version that's inferior to the f-16

Like early ass versions

[wispy narwhal]

N-102 > F-5 > P-530 > YF-17 > Legacy Hornet > (Super Hornet) Rhino

[wispy narwhal]

Nope

[wispy narwhal]

Even the pre production F/A-18As are at least 16C level

[wispy narwhal]

@analog sedge

The 18A will fit perfectly into the current meta

[analog sedge]

Yes they're the same level

[wispy narwhal]

Not broken op, but good enough to level the playing field

[analog sedge]

Iirc they wanted something similar to the f-16 for the navy cuz f-14 was expensive

[wispy narwhal]

I'm well aware

Talking complete airframe wise

[analog sedge]

The f-15 needs to have amraam to be playable

[wispy narwhal]

And this is assuming they don't full send

[analog sedge]

The 7m is a dogfighting missile, barely bvr

[wispy narwhal]

If they full send?
Move over. New BVR King is here

[wispy narwhal]

Wait for the 15C/D then LMAO

[analog sedge]

Nuh uh

Su-27

My beloved

[wispy narwhal]

The hornet with ten amraams in question:

[analog sedge]

What's the hornet that can't carry allat

[wispy narwhal]

[analog sedge]

Like what 6 pods or something

[wispy narwhal]

None?

[analog sedge]

Six or eight

Whar

[wispy narwhal]

None?

[analog sedge]

Omaga no wYayayayaya

[wispy narwhal]

That is a f/a-18
The first hornet

[analog sedge]

Ya idk about what's gonna come

Honestly man

[wispy narwhal]

The Super hornets?
Try 22 amraams LMAO

[analog sedge]

I'm only scared of one thing

Overhyping

I see that clicbaity dude all the time now saying shit that he SHOULSNT be saying

The tec something

Like matAWG but canadian

[wispy narwhal]

I doubt F15/Su27
But I'm willing to hedge my bets on the F/A-18, because we have hard evidence + precedent

[analog sedge]

Ok but isn't the f-18 and a su-27 a valid counter?

[wispy narwhal]

Bruh don't listen to fucken TEC & Matawg lmao

[analog sedge]

The su-27 is not all that great for BVR

But its decent

[analog sedge]

Idk man it's too clickbaity and I accidentally watch them

Then I realize 10 minutes lost

Fucking bullshit

[wispy narwhal]

Super hornet? Yes
Legacy? Not unless you're giving us late mod C/Ds with 9X block II lmao

You're comparing a light multi role fighter to a heavy, dedicated anti air fighter

[analog sedge]

Which is light and which is heavy

Su-27 is thick af but isn't the early variants lacking

Like gaijin could give r-27ER and walk away

[wispy narwhal]

Legacy hornet weighs 24t MTOW
Su27 weighs 30.5 tonnes

[analog sedge]

Ya su 27 obese ass fucking mig-29

[wispy narwhal]

25% heavier than a Legacy hornet

[analog sedge]

Does pull good AOA however which is interesting

[wispy narwhal]

The fucking super hornet though?
MTOW similar to a 15EX LMAO

Light fighter that become a manoeuvrable heavyweight

Rhino my beloved

But yes
The Hornet is the only one that we can confirm could come

15A/su27?
Is it possible? Yes
If anyone tells you it's 100% coming? They're fucking lying, end of story

[analog sedge]

I want my little chonker flanker

Send r-77 to unsuspecting f-4 phantoms

[wispy narwhal]

The 15A/SU27 are 'low chance'
The hornet is 'high chance, because precedent and evidence'

[analog sedge]

Ya

Very true

But idk tbh

Its like

When they added the f-14

Kinda of a fuck up move because when it released it was kinda annoying to fight

No one knew how to

"tomcat super op!!!" Like nah bro it just happens it's the only 4th gen in the game

Then they added the mig-29 and f-16 and it balanced

At least for the 11.0 and 10.7-10.3 planes

So I find it unethical to add only the f-18, kinda would be unbalanced

[wispy narwhal]

It wouldn't

[analog sedge]

Unless they go out and add more modern versions of migs and f-16cs for some reasin

[wispy narwhal]

They could just, not give it amraams

Like how they didn't give early 29s R-73s until stuff started getting 9Ms

[analog sedge]

I mean cool

[wispy narwhal]

Without AMRAAMs, it still got 9L/J/Ms and 7Fs, so it's just as good

[analog sedge]

We get a badass f-18 figther

Handicapped

Where's the fun

No bvr yet either

[wispy narwhal]

Not handicapped lol

[wispy narwhal]

The 7F in question

[analog sedge]

Those old ass Russian missiles gonna still clap any "BVR" figther

The 7f goes up to 20km max, r27er goes up to 50km almost no problem

On average, 30km is r27er's range

[wispy narwhal]

If you die to a 30km r27er, you have skill issue

[analog sedge]

That means unless the mig player is a patient of a certain mental condition, he should win a BVR fight that he SHOULDN'T have won

[analog sedge]

True lol

But I mean, amraam goes up to 40km with not a problem in this world

Would be a bit more fair than the 7f

Not saying the ER is op

Its not

Its just that it can BVR way better than the 7f, cuz 7f is not meant to bvr

[wispy narwhal]

gaben

What

The 7F was literally the West's mainstay BVR missile until the 1990s

Gaben please

Do your research

[analog sedge]

Whar is this

What is this 24km range at a mind blogging 70k feet

[wispy narwhal]

24 NAUTICAL MILES

NOT KILOMETRES

[analog sedge]

Not km

Yeah I was gonna say that lmao

I kept saying km it's knots

[wispy narwhal]

45km is 100% BVR

[analog sedge]

Isn't 24 nautical like 40 km tho

[jovial totem]

Trailer when

[analog sedge]

Ya but I mean

Gawdamn dog

70k feet???

Bros a fucking spaceship

[wispy narwhal]

Anything beyond 20km is BVR

[analog sedge]

In game tho u can't rlly climb to thay

So ur handcuffed to 20km

Which is horribly sad

[wispy narwhal]

That's not the plane you moron

[analog sedge]

Whar

[wispy narwhal]

How radar missiles get such range is they GET UP TO THAT ALTITUDE

Not the PLANE

The MISSILE

[analog sedge]

Well definitely not happening in war thunder

How is the 27er better than it

Wtf

Well it's faster yes

[wispy narwhal]

It isn't

Like I said

[analog sedge]

But how does it have so much speed and doesn't bleed as much as the 7m does

[wispy narwhal]

If you die to a 30km 27ER
that's not the missile being good

That's you being bad

[wispy narwhal]

7m????

[analog sedge]

In game 7f and 7m are the same missile performance-wise

[wispy narwhal]

Gaben please

[analog sedge]

Irl they're different

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759508032673021972/1177430712098488330/War_Thunder_-_Em_batalha_2023-11-23_22-40-51_Trim.mp4?ex=65727acd&is=656005cd&hm=9b6a5a33db2d2d7a247870f9f1ec1e2fb18574dfd6ed2ceae8441a323a3d4083&

Look at the struggle

[wispy narwhal]

I cbf to get into the technicals

Tldr: the 7E-2 is more akin to the 27ER

Both surface vectoring

The 7F is a long range low manoeuvring target slapper, like the AIM-54

Ie: bombers

[analog sedge]

What about 7m

Isn't it the same

In-game

[wispy narwhal]

The only irl difference was like

More fuel

It's just a 7F

Literally a 7F

[analog sedge]

Ya that's why I said 7m

F-16c uses 7m so I said 7m instead of 7f

Forgor

[wispy narwhal]

Either way

It's not that one missile is broken and one isn't

They both do the job, and are both counterable

[analog sedge]

Ye

[wispy narwhal]

Deck 9Ms are more of a problem lmao
Than even R-73s

They're both the 'same' in how they perform

73 & 9M^

As in they're both a relative equivalent for each side

[analog sedge]

Yeah both have irccm

But one I think turns off the seeker, another just gets a smaller FOV

[wispy narwhal]

And both have similar flight performance

[analog sedge]

When facing flares

[analog sedge]

Its how they work with irrc

Irccm

Coded, they're different

[wispy narwhal]

I'm aware

[analog sedge]

R-73 is "less" flare resistent because it doesn't turn off the seeker unlike the 9m

9m straight up kills itself if that's needed to not die to flares

Both are good ya

But then radar

I just wanna show u one vid