transportation

[heady swift]

but hyundai has been developing their N division

[jagged sentinel]

The Kia Stinger is probably the only Korean car I unironically like

[heady swift]

they've been very good in wrc

they won in 2019 even

[heady swift]

https://youtu.be/gi7k0sfrfHM?t=62

[jagged sentinel]

It a Hyundai

My Michigan brain isn't compatible

It just isn't

[heady swift]

yes and they got their new hybrid one ready

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-UhgyTerRU&ab_channel=DirtFish

the new rally1 gen is a bit slower because of simple suspension and aero

plus the added weight of the hybrid system

[jagged sentinel]

Hatchbacks aren't my thing

[heady swift]

then perish

[jagged sentinel]

By the summer there will be 3 pickup trucks in the driveway

Imma let you figure out why I don't like hatchbacks and compacts

[heady swift]

you'll like dakar then

just a bunch of guys dying from heat stroke in a metal cage

[jagged sentinel]

I know what Dakar is

[heady swift]

good

[jagged sentinel]

Least we can truce on something lol

[heady swift]

haven't really seen american brands compete in dakar though

you'd think that those brands would want to compete since it's relevant to their line-up

[jagged sentinel]

We have the Baja 1000 right next door

Which is all the marketing we think we need

[heady swift]

I mean a lot of competitors compete in dakar

which is a bit more international

it'd honestly be fun to see ford or someone else enter since it's been pretty monotone so far

[hybrid charm]

How is everyone ones night?

[winged rivet]

choosing one of these cars is so hard for little to no reason

[winged rivet]

deadasss 💀

[sage roost]

I mean everything written there is technically true lol

Chances of injury from an overheating car, moving parts and windshield wipers are low, but not zero

[main cosmos]

Ford ofc

[ocean rock]

https://i.redd.it/fdq5soiu1a781.jpg

HAM unfollowed everyone on instagram.

[sage roost]

[ocean rock]

Nutella F1 Team powered by Audi?

[sage roost]

Yooo Nutella follows the goat as well

I won’t be surprised if latifi is sponsored by them

[sage roost]

https://twitter.com/mercedesamgf1/status/1474036575331889152?s=21

Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS F1 Team (@MercedesAMGF1)

A new era of @F1 starts right here… 👊

Firing up our 2022 F1 car for the first time - the W13 is ALIVE. 🤩 https://t.co/fphuaVp2dI

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seems a bit early no?

[main cosmos]

probably all teams been working on the new cars even before the 2021 season

[vocal tide]

Now that 2021 is over: Would you have gone with the delay or not?

I thought 2020 was already decent considering the world end

But then F1 decided to stun us all

[kind osprey]

I’d pick the Volkswagen

[winged rivet]

silvia forever a drifting legend

[kind osprey]

👌

[ocean rock]

https://i.redd.it/whfizmhj58781.jpg @vocal tide @main cosmos @sage roost im wheezing

[vestal garnet]

[ashen carbon]

And Reddit is memeing about him unfollowing his own dog

[ashen carbon]

They didn't sell many anywhere

The NC NSX is overpriced, overweight, and the only Japanese thing about it is the badge (and only if you buy it in non-Acura markets)

[hybrid charm]

shit got posted on memes and shitposting, idk what was this doing there

[kind osprey]

The person who originally posted it in the wrong channel doesn’t know what the other channels are they post everything in #memes-and-shitposting so I just repost them in the right channels.

[cunning bloom]

I can’t choose either. I love both the VW golf and Ford Focus

I mean the focus does have more trunk space

And possibly a larger engine too

[winter reef]

Why do I see Porsche Cayenne's everywhere and why do they sell this cheap

and i'd love someone to tell me about how they deppreciated

i know anything fiat chrysler deppreciates fast af since the reliability is bad

but what about porsche panamera and cayenne?

[hybrid charm]

Probably because of high production numbers

Due to that they have a bad resale value

The older Cayennes were also based on the Touareg platform which made them cheap to produce for Porsche (having borrowed a multitude of parts from VW)

Yet they were selling them at very high prices

And the Panamera was just plain ugly and didn't start selling well until prices dropped

[ashen carbon]

tbh, Haas did the right thing this year. Developing that lost cause of a car for one final year before it goes to the landfill wasn't going to make things any better for them.

[ocean rock]

Yeah but no guarantee that this year would be any better.

This will be the first year where they are fully alone for the first time.

No dallara, just Ferrari.

[winter reef]

god i want a nissan micra cabrio

[winter reef]

https://i.4cdn.org/o/1640367111002.png

when your car seat begins having anger issues

[ocean rock]

Oh classic Tesla

Yeah that looks like either adhesive going loose or its actually shrinking

The former wouldnt be surprising, its tesla

The latter wouldnt be surprising, its tesla

[barren hawk]

why do people consider Murciélago the greatest lambo of all time

i dont understand its importance

[heady swift]

I don't think many people hold that belief

I think that price goes to the miura or countach

but the murcielago just looks cool and sounds nice

lambo had lost that super wide and flat styling when they made the face-lift gallardo

[barren hawk]

mhm

i saw a donut vid

they put the murce at the top

and the fans list was similar

[heady swift]

it's also the last ''true italian'' lambo

[barren hawk]

ah

[heady swift]

which has that whole vibe of ''big powerful engine and cool body design''

[barren hawk]

the fans ranked the aventador #1

[heady swift]

which is why lancer evo's could keep up with top range ferrari's and lambo's

[barren hawk]

mhm

[heady swift]

probably the most universally known lambo

[barren hawk]

yea

[heady swift]

it's made the brand what it is today

[barren hawk]

huracan 2nd?

the little brother to the aventador

[ocean rock]

Huracan is 1st for me tbvfh

Cheap when depreciated, and the engine can actually be viably tuned up.

[raw scarab]

first pic looks dope

[barren hawk]

mhm

[stuck owl]

GTA Online Discord - Rule 7

Nicknames must be able to be mentioned. Zalgo, emojis, and others are prohibited.

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@jaunty tiger

[ashen carbon]

Aventador's looks aged really well though, for a car nearing the end of its production cycle

I think the earliest Murcielago looked a bit derpy by the time the SV came out and the model was about to end.

By comparison, even the oldest Aventador LP700 looks fine today. The only thing that made me think the Aventador needs a replacement is looking at the cold hard fact of it being around for 10 years already.

[kind osprey]

Wouldn’t that be the Diablo 6.0?

Or maybe even the generation before that one

Cause the Murci is under the Volkswagen ag reign

[kind osprey]

Greatest, eh. In some ways I could agree but imo the ones that came before it had a lot more enticing and defining things about them. Simple reasons Donut fans would choose a Lamborghini from 2002-2010 over a modern one can include the fun factor of the car, less bombarding tech, nostalgia, and a great sense of raw feeling you get from an older vehicle

Cars from the era of the Murcielago were known as the last raw modern supercars

Like the Mclaren f1, and later on the Enzo, Slr, Carrera gt, etc

These cars were lighter, most had manual transmissions, were built in a more limited production, and had the ability to kill you easier than their successors

These factors on top of nostalgia create the perfect era for car enthusiasts who want a fairly modern vehicle but not the cars of today with 58 inch screens and a mode for every single little thing

The murcielago is an extremely important Lamborghini but if I had to choose I’d go for the much older ones

My favorite new one in the line up is the Huracán evo, the aventador is amazing but it can be hindered by its single clutch paddle setup and the thing feels as long as a pickup truck, it’s truly a party float of a supercar

The Huracan is the tiny more go kart designed one, and the na v10 is a great sound even with the two cylinders cut off compared to the flagship

[kind osprey]

It’s importance in terms of how great it was as a car is subjective but majority rules it’s a beautiful fricken thing to exist. But the objective explanation to why the murcielago specifically was so important for Lamborghini was that it was the first car they ever sold in mass numbers, enough to keep the company afloat for the first time in its life. Lamborghini for the majority if its existence has been a struggling brand passed on and sold from parent company to parent company, but when Volkswagen bought every single car company on the planet back in 1998, the failing exotic cars under their belt started pickup up traction

In sales, and in a literal sense

Because the murcielago is awd

[kind osprey]

Putting a turbo in that thing is sacrilege, unless you are making it some ridiculous drag car. And out of all mass produced supercars, the Huracán doesn’t even really depreciate much at all.

[ocean rock]

Who says turbo?

[kind osprey]

Say a new one is $240k. The lowest it’ll go is 180k after like 9000 miles and 5 years

[kind osprey]

Idk people can be forced induction happy

But Lamborghini’s with a turbo annoy me and make me angry boopity boppity

Expect for the urus cause that thing is an Aztec with a Q8rs chassis

Drives fucking amazing though I can’t hate it xD

[ocean rock]

On high displacement cars, i go with soopercharger

[kind osprey]

If someone slapped one on a daily Huracán I’d wanna see them eat Play-do

[ocean rock]

Okay

[kind osprey]

[ocean rock]

Ill do it

Yall puritans are weird

[kind osprey]

If the car was meant for one idc, I like forced induction but the two cars I never wanna see a turbo on are Lamborghinis, and Mclaren f1’s

I would genuinely be pissed if I saw a Mclaren f1 with any form of forced induction

I like how all the jdm cars handle turbos because the engines are built to withstand .50 cals

But anybody who puts 1000hp in either a supra, skyline, or whatever isn’t going to have fun with it

Overpowered cars are just stupidly undrivable, you can be a god and the thing will still feel like shit

If you have that much power in something like that you really only have two options

Drift or drag

[barren hawk]

gotcha

[barren hawk]

you actually explained this perfectly

[kind osprey]

Thanks 😊 sorry if it was long I just really like Lamborghini lol

[ashen carbon]

I have an almost irrational hatred of the Huracan

It looks like a bland and boring shapeless blob to me

[ashen carbon]

The F1 is basically the definition of "perfection" for naturally-aspirated cars

[sage roost]

I agree

The R8 looks miles better

[ashen carbon]

And then they facelifted the 2nd-gen R8 and it looks kinda dumb now

[sage roost]

Yeah

They ruined the front end

[ashen carbon]

Exactly

[sage roost]

But then

[ashen carbon]

And then its Lambo clone actually looked slightly better than before with the Performante

It's still a blob, but at least it's an improvement while Audi ruined the R8

[sage roost]

I wish Audi didn’t discontinue the V8 models of the R8

I’m pretty sure it’s only V10 now

[ashen carbon]

Yeah the V8s are gone

It's just the same V10 in different trim levels

[sage roost]

V8 + gated manual transmission

[ashen carbon]

Personally I think dual clutch is the best thing that ever happened to sports cars, but that is indeed

[sage roost]

Meanwhile, the aventador which is still a single clutch:

[ashen carbon]

Meanwhile, the Nissan GT-R has been using dual-clutch since 2007.

It has reliability issues in the early years, but still.

[sage roost]

Was there really any other sports cars using dual-clutch at the time?

[ashen carbon]

AFAIK nothing on the level of the GT-R. VW had been using it on the Golf R32 for some years, but that's a hot hatch.

[sage roost]

Interesting

[ashen carbon]

Oh, apparently the Veyron has it first.

But that's a French-badged VW supercar so it makes sense, given the Golf R32.

[hybrid charm]

For a car that can go 255mph

It doesn't get much cooler

[heady swift]

I mostly meant the way they were constructed

big engine, cool body but little regard to track performance or comfort

[heady swift]

I wouldn't trust a vette going 60

[winter reef]

Is Kia Stinger the mustang of koreans?

[heady swift]

koeran?

[winter reef]

sorry for the obvious typo 🙄

[analog radish]

i think thats the spirra

quilim spirra

except its mid engined

[winter reef]

what the fuck ew

the car looks great but mid engine

good god

im all for obscure layouts but i dont like this one

https://i.imgur.com/hrFK0K1.png

bruh the fact that the wikipedia page is sooooo barren

[hybrid charm]

🥶 Aero

[barren hawk]

every influencer ever first car

lost its wow factor for me

[winter reef]

Tbh supercars are just loved by children and adults with the mind of a child

Mostly because how avant guarde they look

But Im sick of seeing them

[ocean rock]

@mint plank can an M1A1 abrams shoot a moving Mercedes W12?

Lets assume its average speed for both vehicle

[mint plank]

Range?

The abrams can hit targets from a mile out. While moving at full speed. Over hilly terrain. While the target is moving at full speed

So in short? The stabilised automated browning would get the job done in the 2 seconds it takes them to bring the gun to bear

[mint plank]

M1a1? Piece of cake

M1A2SEPV3? They wouldn't even need to wake the Commander from his nap

[ocean rock]

lets say Merc has 1 minute advantage range wise

[mint plank]

Can a merc travel 3.5km from a standing start in 60s?

[ocean rock]

Actually, yes

considering that they can do 5km in 1 minute and 19 seconds or so

and not in straight line

[mint plank]

Well then the abrams would a) need its best gunnery crew,
B) simply kick back, drink booze while the f1 cars engine exploded from the straight line running in fear
Or
C) it ran out of gas
B/C = casual stroll to the W12 and a point blank 120mm shot with the tip of the barrel touching the driver's nose
@ocean rock

[ocean rock]

You do realize that F1 engines can run full burn for 90 mins right

its that efficient now

[mint plank]

An f1 race is 305km

An abram has a 426Km tank, not including external rack stores @ocean rock

[ocean rock]

B R U H

ic

[mint plank]

You see that back space? Lots of juicy space to slap couple dozen jerry cans or Half dozen 44 gallon drums of fuel @ocean rock

[ocean rock]

Ic

[mint plank]

Hell in a non contested environment they might just perk up on the back with an AGM-176 Griffin and hit the w12 from 20km out@ocean rock

Im sure a w12 can't do 20km in 60s

[ocean rock]

kek

[novel iris]

Yo new tot the serve but got a Mustang v6 2009 big car person

[ashen carbon]

Holy shit. The effort. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/rp60sm/my_wife_reskinned_our_favorite_board_game_love/

[heady swift]

what

if it's a purple lamborghini with golden wheels and stanced to the point where it can't ride over an ant without scraping, sure

and while the term ''avant garde'' should only be reserved for a few cars, most of them follow contemporary styling rules anyway

whether it's a third generation polo or a gallardo

[sage roost]

What do you mean

only adults with the brain of a child would think of buying super cars /s

[uncut saddle]

Stupid kids and their supercars

I shall never understand why people hate on super/hypercars

[sage roost]

Are you someone who works at Ferrari driving an SF90 to work? CHILD!

[uncut saddle]

Real men only appreciate ground scrapers that produce more decibel than horsepower!

[sage roost]

Stanced straight-piped civic on steelies > any SF90

[uncut saddle]

!!!

[sage roost]

Imagine owning this when you can own a stanced civic for a fraction of the price smh

[uncut saddle]

You could have this!!

The more it sounds like a trumpet, the manlier it is!

[ashen carbon]

(x) High-performance exhaust
(o) Exhaust sound enhancers

[uncut saddle]

If you don't piss off the entire neighborhood, you ain't doin it right!

[winter reef]

is this the la ferrari

because that name is obscenely sus

[sage roost]

guess

[winter reef]

the idea of an ultimate car name and stuff is the worst

because of course it wont be the ultimate

https://img.hmn.com/fit-in/900x506/filters:upscale()/stories/2019/03/CC176-UND-01.jpg

on the other hand.....

renault le car is the french ae86 no cap fr fr zamn 😍

https://www.autoscout24.ro/assets/auto/images/model/ferrari/ferrari-348/ferrari-348-l-01.jpg

also this is my kind of supercar

just look how good the side vents look

also i think i generalised too much since i mostly despise lamborghini

yes this post was made by enzo ferrari how could you tell

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Bugatti_Veyron_16.4_–_Frontansicht_(1)%2C_5._April_2012%2C_Düsseldorf.jpg/1200px-Bugatti_Veyron_16.4_–_Frontansicht_(1)%2C_5._April_2012%2C_Düsseldorf.jpg#

my fav super car is the veyron because how stupid it looks

it reminds me of the audi TT

[wary edge]

looks great

[winter reef]

I mean it grew on me so yes

the front grille is unique

[uncut saddle]

This beauty will forever be my favorite

[heady swift]

the new huayra r screams too

[analog radish]

🤌

[uncut saddle]

It's awesome but a bit too extreme for my taste

[analog radish]

my fav

ze 599 gto

[heady swift]

I mean we're not allowed to drive it publicly anyway

[heady swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4skm2O_9fw&ab_channel=Austrian-Speedhunters

[hybrid charm]

Never really liked the 348

I don't hate it as much as other people do

And I don't think its the worst ferrari

But the F355 is just so much better imo

[winter reef]

People hate the 348?

[hybrid charm]

They do

[winter reef]

But like why

[hybrid charm]

Mainly for its looks

Its a bit of a mash-up of the Testarossa/512TR

Some people can't see past that

[hybrid charm]

I want one so badly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSy6Kae-SFM

[winged rivet]

What is the worst looking VW jetta

[hybrid charm]

that happened to me too

[hybrid charm]

took a photo of this miata

[ocean rock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/rqbucd/the_fia_reinforces_the_power_of_michael_masi/ @dry sage @sage roost @main cosmos @mint plank

:crazychamp:

[mint plank]

@ocean rock

Literally the top comment

[ocean rock]

Yeah, day of the innocents

Just wanna see how many fell for it

[mint plank]

I always check the comments

[ocean rock]

Gud

As you always should do

Even outside of april fools

[mint plank]

Ngl though I wouldn't be complaining

Aussie bias

[ocean rock]

Lmao

[sage roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/685936740917313575/925355094277500968/IMG_7533.png

[ocean rock]

[mint plank]

🙄

[vestal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-up-headlights-miata-gif-14949580

[hybrid charm]

I've never seen Smokey Nagata opt to let someone drive his car for a TV show before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C2mPWElWxY

[raw scarab]

honda vs honda

[rotund totem]

Yeah, that's nice

[jagged sentinel]

71 cuda cooler

[hybrid charm]

what car is this?

[main cosmos]

The best car ever

Honda civic

[winged rivet]

looks like a civic and an eclipse combined

[hybrid charm]

year? exact model?

[winged rivet]

i believe 95/97

[hybrid charm]

aight thx

[winged rivet]

if you could buy 1 of the 2 cars shown
what would it be and why

[tawny tangle]

Bmw

Because it's blue

[kind osprey]

Obviously the bmw.

Audi was still learning when it came to making nice looking performance stuff, bmw was at its peak around that generation

[winter reef]

Bmw but people would call me a turk lmfao

[hybrid charm]

BMW because the audi has a door i wont use

[winged rivet]

that door being

[hybrid charm]

a sedan has 4 doors

this bmw has 3

[barren hawk]

@broken token

[vestal garnet]

What car is it?

[winged geyser]

looks like a honda but idk

[vestal garnet]

Honda City maybe

[barren hawk]

yea its a honda city

[vestal garnet]

City and Lancer used to be popular in India especially amongst the car enthusiasts

[barren hawk]

yea ive noticed

[winged rivet]

Opinions on the Lexus GS?

[kind osprey]

That specific model year, or in general?

[winged rivet]

general

[kind osprey]

It's a pretty meh luxury car, like all long wheel base Lexus sedans, outdated interior, but good toyota reliability

it has its ups and downs

The new ones are pretty comfy

they updated the exterior nicely but the interior is still lagging years behind something like mercedes or even non luxury cars

[vestal garnet]

But problem with Merc or any other german manufacturer is that they over engineer their cars with features and gimmicks which in turn leads to failures and reliability issues

[winged geyser]

looks nice especially the new ones imo

[kind osprey]

By outdated interior I'm talking about mainly the convenience factor of their infotainment and tech. Lexus for an unreasonable amount of time has had buggy outdated infotainments and lackluster interior layouts for a criminally long amount of time.

not even a touch screen, a car from this decade or the later half of last decade needing to be controlled on a buggy ass trackpad in the center is ridiculous

even the most basic cars get it right, why couldn't they

I mentioned Mercedes because their MB-UX systems are the best in the industry

but literally everything in the price range does better than Lexus in interior layout and convenience of tech

even cars not targeted in Luxury markets have more responsive items

[unborn stirrup]

civic anglan

[vestal garnet]

I kinda agree to that lexus has an outdated interior but they generally they do not have any problems regarding reliability or any other issue.

[kind osprey]

Because they are Toyota's

it's just a given that they will last forever lol

It's why I wanna look for an is300 soon

but used cars are a bitch so i'm just waiting for the right one

[vestal garnet]

I dont think u should buy a used one

[kind osprey]

i'm gonna buy a brand new car from 2004?

🤣

[vestal garnet]

Lets say u wanna purchase now and use it for 5 years
After that if u wanna sell it,no one would like to buy a 3rd hand car....

[kind osprey]

I've never heard that in my life, people will buy literally anything.

[vestal garnet]

[kind osprey]

it would be more like 5th or 6th hand car probably

[vestal garnet]

Its resale value will dramatically reduce

[kind osprey]

is's from that generation have hit their rock bottom

they don't go lower than what they are

[vestal garnet]

[kind osprey]

you must be referring to a luxury car from like 2012-2016 where is still has room to go down and it hasn't reached the mileage where it becomes unattractive

[analog radish]

5

[sage roost]

4

Trunk isn’t a door

unless it’s a hatchback

[analog radish]

well isnt that the same with the e46 in that case

[sage roost]

Hm?

the E46 M3 is a 2 door

I’m not sure how remu got the assumption it’s a 3 door

[kind osprey]

Please stop calling anything in the rear, boot trunk hatch whatever, a door

It's like saying a car has five wheels because of the spare wheel

[ocean rock]

*8

The steering wheel is also a wheel

And the 2 wheel to control fan and temperature is also a wheel

Wait no

9, volume wheel

[sage roost]

Actually a sedan has 6 doors

The 4 doors for the passengers and driver

Plus the hood and trunk

[hollow cobalt]

+Fuel door

[mint plank]

Dial*

What about the timing belt pully wheels

[ocean rock]

Fuck, yessss

[hybrid charm]

Smh of course I'll sit in the trunk or in the hood

[ocean rock]

[mint plank]

Also. Volume dial not wheel

[ocean rock]

Nah, wheel kek

[mint plank]

No

[ocean rock]

@mint plank show abs

[mint plank]

Lol

[ocean rock]

I love how british youtuber need to go to multiple garages to work 1 project car

Meanwhile american youtubers just yeet them in their home garage with harbor freight jackstand and 0 grounding

[mint plank]

Lmao

[jagged sentinel]

"safety? What's that?"

[ocean rock]

"hey it passed SMOG and thats all that matters"

[jagged sentinel]

California mfs be like

[ocean rock]

proceeds to slap twin T66 turbo on a poor bone stock 1.5 3 pot

[jagged sentinel]

passes smog
Slaps a turbo on the displaces more air then the engine
Refuses to elaborate further
Leaves

[rotund totem]

One of my favorite cars

Just because I have good memories with it

[winged rivet]

the c6 corvette is such a beautiful car

[hybrid charm]

This is my favourite car

[jagged sentinel]

Diablo GTR right

[hybrid charm]

Heavy steering; designated as a "track-car" despite having gear ratios that don't match up to any known track, and an overwhelming urge to kill anyone who gets in it

[hybrid charm]

Yeah

[sage roost]

Also one of my favorites, after the mclaren F1 of course

[hybrid charm]

I like the car that virtually dawned the creation of the F1

[hybrid charm]

sheesh

[winter reef]

smol moustache bmw

[winged rivet]

i see the grille as nostrils lol

[winter reef]

Ok screw you you ruined every bmw for me

Well at least Skoda is the only moustache car now

[winged rivet]

pontiac

[winter reef]

pontiac is ded

😎

[winged rivet]

nostril grille

nostril

[jagged sentinel]

Funny rebadged Vauxhall that is itself a rebadged Holden

[hybrid charm]

This monstrosity

[winged rivet]

this is a
porsch

eclip s

go lfm

[hybrid charm]

Solar eclipse

[winged rivet]

miata : D

[winter reef]

Gosh I love cars with faces

[winged rivet]

early 2010s Mazdas ❤️

the Mazda 3/6 has the face of someone who laughs at their own jokes

[jagged sentinel]

Is that an insult or a compliment

[winged rivet]

none

[winter reef]

I'd say the 6 is kinda sus

[winged rivet]

hyundai veloster

[winter reef]

Id unironically love a brand new miata when I get my first paid car

if I somehow get into med college

[winged rivet]

i hope that anyone who wants to help the people, to succeed

[winter reef]

Thanks and all that but it's mostly that I got nothing else to do

Chemistry can fuck right off though

Anyways cars

[hybrid charm]

I feel like the Ferrari 512M is so ugly that its beautiful

[winged rivet]

bmw

[main cosmos]

Bad piggie

[dry sage]

R* pls

[winged rivet]

kaido r31

[winter reef]

Does Mercedes still make mil spec G wagons?

As in no breakable luxury stuff and just offroad functionality?

Honestly what upsets me the most is that most G Wagon clients will most likely never take their cars off road

[main cosmos]

U still want functionality from a G wagon?

[winter reef]

Well weren't those the best in the off road segment?

[main cosmos]

No

[winter reef]

I know they were very capable back when they released

Going on very steep angles and such

[main cosmos]

During the war maybe

[winter reef]

The merc engineers took the damn thing everywhere

So those aren't as good for offroad anymore?

[main cosmos]

Check up to speed channel for it

[winter reef]

I did check it sometime ago

But never mentioned anything how the g wagon got downgraded in capability

I just know that now it's a luxury vehicle

[main cosmos]

U want a comfy suspension for your rich buyers

[winter reef]

Didnt they also do that with the military ones?

[main cosmos]

So other off road cars are now waaaay more advanced compared to this.

[winter reef]

Right so there are better options, that's clear but I always liked this one for some reason

Well mostly the exterior

bet the interior has the same sterile plastic mercedes loves to do now

[main cosmos]

It can off road still but nothing fancy

[winter reef]

oh god

Why does mercedes just bolt on tablets and call them dashboards

It looks unnatural

[main cosmos]

People are buying that old car for shit ton of money anyways

So why not

[winter reef]

Yeah but come on, less luxurious brands get the dashboards right

As in, you know cars with gauges have them more in depth so the sun doesnt shine on them right?

Well they do the same thing with digital ones

Where as mercedes just slaps a tablet

To me not only does it look inaesthetic but will probably glare a lot from the sun, unless it's that kind of anti glare glass

[hybrid charm]

Mercedes want you to know that your car is a ticking timebomb electronics-wise

[jagged sentinel]

I don't like the current design trend of the center infotainment screens

Just not blending them into the dashboard at all, they just stick out

[sage roost]

I like the new grand wagoneer’s interior

I think the screens blend in the dashboard

[jagged sentinel]

It kinda does

[winter reef]

america is finally making good interiors :D

https://i.4cdn.org/o/1640591257705.jpg

that wood trims are my weakspot i have to admit

[sage roost]

The jeep interiors really improved tbh

[ocean rock]

Thats a Cadillac, its always good

[jagged sentinel]

I mean the Grand wagoneer is like 6 figures for a decent one

[sage roost]

The new grand Cherokee, grand wagoneer, etc

[hybrid charm]

Oh my Lord

[jagged sentinel]

We got a grand Cherokee as a loaner car while my mom's actual car was in for maintenance

[sage roost]

Interiors with cheap plastic is no more. I hope

[winter reef]

looks like a desk, i like that

[hybrid charm]

Needs a keyboard for the infotainment screen

Or screens

[sage roost]

Which Honda is that, odyssey?

[winter reef]

E

literally.

[jagged sentinel]

I hope we don't get rid of physical knobs and what not for the AC and Radio

[sage roost]

Yeah

[winter reef]

https://cdn.euroncap.com/media/60161/honda-e.png

cute lil shit

[sage roost]

Imagine if the screen somehow failed and stopped turning on 💀

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah screens are getting pretty fast now

[winter reef]

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/1460035_116666_honda_sports_ev_concept.jpg

I like this concept tbh

[ocean rock]

Doesnt run windows

[jagged sentinel]

But it would still take longer then just pressing a button and twisting a knob

[winter reef]

https://i.4cdn.org/o/1640592087884.jpg

[ocean rock]

Legit imagine if Microsoft actually try to do x86 compatible entertainment system for cars

[winter reef]

i wish this lincoln didnt have that tablet bolted on the dash

[hybrid charm]

Yeah

[ocean rock]

Microsoft Auto

[jagged sentinel]

I hate that sort of design

[sage roost]

Thought so

[jagged sentinel]

It just sticks out

[winter reef]

wait what? that's honda e

[ocean rock]

SoCal artist would appreciate it too lmao

Just run clip paint on their cars

In the middle of the traffic jam

[hybrid charm]

Oh wait shit yeah

It is the E

[ocean rock]

Ye

Its only Honda E for now

But if it flops, itll deadass be on every cars to recoup the cost

[winter reef]

https://cdni.autocarindia.com/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=https%3A%2F%2Fcdni.autocarindia.com%2FExtraImages%2F20201119025621_2021-Mercedes-Maybach-S-class-interior.jpg&h=795&w=1200&c=1

i hate this

[sage roost]

Anyone remember when this was the screens in Audi’s

[hybrid charm]

Can the speedometer style be changed

Because that is absolutely hideous

[winter reef]

probably

but i think you're not focusing enough of how bad the rest looks

the tablets man

[hybrid charm]

Eh, its pretty entry-level luxury

[jagged sentinel]

I wanna be able to glance at the speedo to see my speed, not fully focus on it

[winter reef]

but like people say the e class w211 was the last well engineered merc

[hybrid charm]

Which you don't want in a Maybach

You want full luxury

You're paying for it

[winter reef]

w211 is my fav mercedes

solely because of the doors

https://bparts-eu.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/images/7325/original/images/7325/clean_image/https%3A/cdn.sideo.es/mKOxb2tY7AOXUq-LtWwmqQ.jpg

[hybrid charm]

My dad had similar doors in his CLK

[winter reef]

so many materials, and shapes, all well inserted

it looks stylish

i love it

[jagged sentinel]

I'd hope so given the badge on the front of the car

[winter reef]

the new ones are uh

are playing too safe

that's my consensus on modern day mercedes

[hybrid charm]

The W124 500e is my idea of luxury

Basic (because of the era)

But enough to satisfy most

[winter reef]

i like how jeep wants to make each model be it's own sub brand

with unique letters inside and styling characteristic only to that model

[hybrid charm]

I don't know too much about Jeeps

All I know is that my friend had a Renegade and it was an absolute nightmare

[winter reef]

renegade is the cheapest right?

[hybrid charm]

Believe so

[winter reef]

honestly if you aint getting a wrangler you aint getting a true jeep

or a gladiator eventually

but fiat chrysler scares me

[hybrid charm]

Ignition problems are the most common

[winter reef]

renegade seems good but i dunno man

it starts at 16k for a reason

[hybrid charm]

That's true

[jagged sentinel]

Chrysler isn't exactly known for their build quality

[winter reef]

jeep renegade seems like a good package and it looks nice but god knows what issues it might have

to be fair i could have considered this to recommend to my parents but i dont want them to buy something notorious for issues

so yeah we are settling for a corolla sedan

[hybrid charm]

Someone on my street had an older Crossfire SRT6

[jagged sentinel]

Good idea

[hybrid charm]

When it went in for a service, the mechanic said the underside looked like that of a 20 year old car

[winter reef]

like i said ive been in one and it's really really good

even for the cheapest version

honestly i wish we could save more months but mom wants a new car asap

because apparently our dacia can't take more

Mom, that shit aint breaking smh

[jagged sentinel]

Toyota probably won't break fast either

[winter reef]

yeah exactly why i told them about that

i do wish we could have just saved more for like a year or so and get a rav 4

but this can suffice well enough

[hybrid charm]

I like the Rav 4

[jagged sentinel]

The Corolla would probably get way better gas mileage anyway

[winter reef]

i wonder why stellantis wouldnt just begin making their cars reliable

is it like an unspoken rule of specific manufacturers being shit or what

[hybrid charm]

You'd think so

Its pretty shocking how unreliable some models are

[winter reef]

in what way?

[hybrid charm]

Well, Maserati for instance; they were never the most reliable car manufacturer

But the trend of them being absolutely atrociously unreliable has been carried on

[winter reef]

Oh of course that's why I saw a literaly 2002 quatroporte for 16k

[hybrid charm]

With that said though I'd still buy a Gran-sport

Because I'm crazy

[winter reef]

jeep have a very cool aesthetic especially here in europe

since most white girls dont buy jeeps unlike usa

but if only...

they were reliable

big sigh

[hybrid charm]

I'd do a lot to own a wrangler rubicon

[winter reef]

god i love the wrangler

also just a piece of mind, to think how iconic and off road jeep is regarded as here

people sometimes call SUV's just jeeps

of course they aint into cars but they know Jeeps are big, capable and just off road looking

[hybrid charm]

Over here Land Rover has a big presence

Not as much as it used to

Because some of the newer models are shit

Like the new Discovery for instance

[winter reef]

where are ya?

[hybrid charm]

England

[winter reef]

because im in romania, the land of volkswagens

ahhh makes sense

why does jaguar have an suv when you can get a land rover though

[hybrid charm]

That's a good point

[winter reef]

i know there's this obscure segment called muscle suvs

cayenne, macan, urus, stelvio, etc. etc.

but like why

i never understood this category

[hybrid charm]

I never understood quick SUVs

I suppose its because people have families or whatever

[winter reef]

well miss karen has to get their kids to school faster innit

[hybrid charm]

Fr

[winter reef]

this reminds me how at one point we were going to get a suzuki suv or whatever

but then they got the new model of the sx4 cross

and boy does it suck

[hybrid charm]

Oh yeah, my mum was gonna get a Vitara

[winter reef]

they basically downgraded the infotainment only for the first 2 trims

god damn it

so yeah we just stuck to toyota

[hybrid charm]

Good call

[winter reef]

just sucks that i cant convince mom to just save more to get something even better and worthy of a medic

but then again corolla is cool asf

love the styling on it

especially for an econobox

[hybrid charm]

It does look really good

Its pretty cool how the tables have turned, Toyota making good looking cars would've been laughable in the early 90s

Of course you had the A70 Supra and whatnot

[winter reef]

mfw they made a corolla cross

[hybrid charm]

But the corolla back then was this

Actually now that I look at it I kinda like it

Mini Lexus LS400

[winter reef]

damn you can connect your corolla to the app to see consumption and such

[hybrid charm]

Oh shit

That's pretty cool

[winter reef]

novelty features like this always make a car

that reminds me of that saab that had the parking brake flush into the design

some weird ass cup holder contrapton

and some really cool looking vent

[hybrid charm]

RIP Saab

[winter reef]

i mean scandinavian design still lives on with volvo

it's now mostly manufactured in china but also in europe so yeah

the chinese models are actually the same though

[hybrid charm]

Some of the newer Volvo's are really good looking too

[winter reef]

this reminds me how dad really wanted a chrysler then i only told him now that chrysler's literally dead in europe

[hybrid charm]

The only Chryslers you see over here are the Crossfire and 300C

[winter reef]

300C and Pacifica are like the only ones still made

also why did the british automotive industy flop so hard and get sold to foreign investors

heard the build quality was the reason

[hybrid charm]

I believe it was, yeah

Car companies like Rover genuinely made some good cars though

They didn't sell all that well

The Rover 75 for instance

Its pretty ugly but it had some great luxury features for its time

[winter reef]

broooo i used to see this back when i lived in a city, in the parking

[hybrid charm]

Pretty common because they're one of the only reliable Rovers

[winter reef]

https://www.automaniac.org/resources/images/model/792/1999_rover_75_interior.jpg

because they were actually made by bmw?

[hybrid charm]

Believe so

[winter reef]

oh right mini still exists

love it

[hybrid charm]

I like the Mini

I don't like the Countryman though

It looks depressed

[winter reef]

i would be too if i had the steering wheel on the right side 😎

[hybrid charm]

🥶

[winged rivet]

yall liking the new brz?

[hybrid charm]

I like it quite a bit

[jagged sentinel]

Wonder if they're going to sell it with a turbo option this time

[heady swift]

as german as they come

[winter reef]

BRZ default colour is blue btw

[heady swift]

like half the models are made in the netherlands and the rest the UKs bmw factory

it's also owned by bmw

[winter reef]

Also yeah I wonder why VW doesnt bring back the Beetle to compete with mini....again

[heady swift]

they did bring it back

wasn't a success

the beetle's styling doesn't carry over well in current contemporary styles

and volkswagens are mostly bought for the polo and golf, which are superior cars in every imaginable way

something which sold very well is the fiat 500

though fiats are awful cars

[winged rivet]

do you think the 124 is bad?

[heady swift]

at the time it was alright

but fiats models since the 80s have gone downhill

[winged rivet]

i love alot of fiat cars, but i could see why you dont care for them

[winter reef]

is the 500 really that bad

[heady swift]

outdated tech, low quality materials and bad reliability

[heady swift]

they do have a nice aesthetic, it's just I'd never drive them daily

although they're mostly meant for that

[winged rivet]

same

[heady swift]

it's not a good car, for the same price you can buy a peugeot, toyota or vw which are more reliable and have better tech

but they don't look as polished as the 500

panda still looks like shit

[winged rivet]

wish we had peugeot in the us

[heady swift]

Yeah they're great cars

but they focus on the european market, which is small hatchbacks and medium saloons, so they wouldn't sell well in the US

[winter reef]

Americans on their way to find new ways of butchering the pronunciation of Peugeot

[heady swift]

also no one in the us knows how to pronounce citroen/peugeot or any of their models

[kind osprey]

Pigeon car

Hehe

[winter reef]

Bro it's pejo 😭

[kind osprey]

I saw two old beat up Citroen’s in the city they were really shot but it was cool to see them in the wild

They don’t exist here

My friend who isn’t crazy into cars was wondering why I was excited and jumping like I just saw a Lamborghini

[heady swift]

there are people who pronounce peugeot in a spanish way

heresy

[heady swift]

I see them every day

there are like 5 in my bloc

[winter reef]

piugio, poojo, what the FUCK

[heady swift]

honestly this is a really nice car

[winter reef]

Peugeot styling is awesome now

Love the headlights

And the green details

Making grey cool again

[jagged sentinel]

I'm terrible at putting pronunciation into texts

[heady swift]

I mean the rcz from the blob headlight era wasn't bad either

[kind osprey]

Way too long Import laws are the worst thing to curse this earth

[winged rivet]

the 208

[kind osprey]

This looks cool

[kind osprey]

But I’ll never see it

[heady swift]

it's like a french eclipse

[jagged sentinel]

So we don't like importing long cars

[winter reef]

Looks like a moustache frenchman on his way to committ some baboonery

dare I say some tomfoolery

[heady swift]

there is one peugeot I see every single day

in the same exact spec

and they're all different ones

[jagged sentinel]

But we make this shit on the daily

[heady swift]

this

[kind osprey]

That’s so cute

[winged rivet]

swedish imported volvo wagon

[kind osprey]

Small cars here look hideous like that honda thing

[winged rivet]

the beat?

[jagged sentinel]

Small cars here look out of place

[winter reef]

The fact that SUVs basically killed wagons

[heady swift]

citroen is overlooked btw

[kind osprey]

I’m in a city/urbanburb no cars is in or out of place

[winged rivet]

v60 still goin strong

[winter reef]

Hell yeah

[kind osprey]

Found it

Oh guys wanna hate life for a quick sec? Look at these prices from a 2007 catalogue

[sage roost]

YO A 964 FOR €33

[winged rivet]

hot

[hybrid charm]

That NSX today would be top spec

[hybrid charm]

sucks it's auto only

[main cosmos]

That's the best part
Fuck manual stupid transmission

[vocal tide]

A note that some European countries use comma to define decimals and dot to separate thousands

That includes Italy

Euros only go as far as cents

[sage roost]

Ye I know

[mint plank]

auto > manual > tiptronic

@ocean rock ^

[ocean rock]

Auto for dailies and thats it

and farming too

but besides that

no

[mint plank]

tiptronic < manual < auto

[hybrid charm]

Auto is alright in cars like the A70 Supra Turbo

These are cars that are almost impossible to find with a manual transmission

[mint plank]

Tiptronic still best

[ocean rock]

ya

or semiauto sequential manuals

[mint plank]

dogbox

[ocean rock]

yaaaa

[hybrid charm]

What are hoodbras for?

[mint plank]

Tiptronic tops both because it allows for both

[ocean rock]

Yes

[hybrid charm]

just cause you can't operate a third pedal that it means its stupid,you are lad

[kind osprey]

The only time I could see a manual being more of a nuisance than fun is either a packed city with lots of stops and red lights/bumper traffic. Or if the car is so advanced a manual would hinder it over their duel clutch, like Porsche’s pdk and anything over $150,000

I’m getting an auto most likely 99% for two reasons. The car I want in manual is double the price than in auto, I could swap it for less if I really needed to in the future. Two is that if anybody else like my parents need it it’s best to just have something that can’t be screwed up

[heady swift]

I mean that's why automatics have become the norm

they're simply easier and more convenient to use for every-day driving

unless you live in alaska or something

[sage roost]

if I had the money, before manuals completely disappear I want to drive a manual cayman GT4

Yeah the PDK is great but a manual on a track toy

[heady swift]

manual will still exist for more niche performance cars in the future

until all cars become electric

[hybrid charm]

Probably gonna buy an automatic Supra GT 3.0 when I sell my current car

They go for like $6000 at times

[winter reef]

Lmao I just realised Chevrolet stopped existing in Romania in 2013. And in europe in general

I cant believe I was this out of touch

nothing of value was lost tbh chevrolet is kinda bland

i understand it's importance in the US but here in europe

nahhh

although I wish Dodge was in europe

especially since it's under Stellantis

same with Chrysler

I wish those two would come back

i mean i dont know if dodge was ever in europe but you get me

[winged rivet]

the better BMW shoe

[heady swift]

nope

their line-up would suck in europe

[winter reef]

i mean totally but who wouldnt love a challenger

[heady swift]

europe doesn't really have muscle car culture

people prefer hatchbacks and german sedans

[winter reef]

i guess but i'd honestly get a challenger with whatever engine but just for the shape

or maybe just sell it under an already existing brand for europe lmao

[heady swift]

ford did enter europe, but they mostly sell the fiesta here

which is made in germany

[winter reef]

i mean ford is just an economy brand

well

in a way

for some reason they still use silver plastic

THAT SHIT SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN THE 2000'S

i feel like fords are a bit highly priced for what they are

[heady swift]

they are

[winter reef]

well the Fiesta is fairly priced but that's all

wait no

it's 16k good god

that shit should be like 13k or so

[heady swift]

I mean there

you can hardly get a new car for 16K eu here

some shitty fiat with no options

[winter reef]

I mean here you get Dacia or Dacia

they aint bad honestly

best budget brand imo

literally grew up with one

[heady swift]

dacia's ok

skoda's better though

[winter reef]

dacia's lineup is always under 20k

as for skoda it never felt like a budget brand

for me the best budget brands are dacia and suzuki

we were going to get a suzuki at one point, the SX-4 Cross, the previous model but now they butchered it with the facelift

so yeah we ended up settling for the corolla sedan, cheapest trim since it feels premium asf

[heady swift]

cheaper option to most bmw/merc/audi and volvo

corolla is great

[winter reef]

so skoda is like the mazda of europe if you put it like that?

[heady swift]

eeeeh I'd say like hyundai

because germany is the japan of europe

[winter reef]

I know mazda perpetuates the idea of affordable luxury

also skoda might be czech in name and such but ever since it got bought it's just VW's

[heady swift]

I mean they get all the good parts so I can't complain

[winter reef]

im pretty sure at one point the superb was just a passat through and through

so yeah that's why Im just categorising it as german

same as seat and etc.

[mint plank]

is it just me or should the ford focus RS be brought back @ocean rock

[ocean rock]

They really should

[mint plank]

i would 100% buy one and rally spec it

[brazen pasture]

The game is stuck loading story mode Won't load in please please help

[dusky jewel]

anyone who owns the Auto Shop in Burton please send me a friend request on PSN please. Thanks username is same as psn id

[winged rivet]

am i the only one who wants this

[ocean rock]

Me want

Kek

[winter reef]

I do too

except in White and white leather interior

wait wtf it has 2 doors?

[main cosmos]

Silver would look great on that

[hybrid charm]

The Eunos Cosmo has a crazy interior for the early '90s

[ocean rock]

@main cosmos @mint plank @uncut saddle @dry sage TIL french named an entire tank model after an F1 Driver

Char Leclerc

[main cosmos]

[mint plank]

@ocean rock

[ocean rock]

Yes and?

[ocean rock]

So the french predicted Leclerc's existence

I c

[mint plank]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Leclerc_de_Hauteclocque

[ocean rock]

Wait

OHHHHHH

Okay that makes more sense

[mint plank]

[ocean rock]

Okay

My brain

Is clearly

Cooked

[mint plank]

lmao

[ocean rock]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYMCVaPIcS8/?utm_medium=copy_link

mercedesamgf1

New year. New Me-rcedes. 🖤😉

Likes

118991

Instagram

Wow

THAT

Is just cocky.

Youre the titanic designer saying "this is an unsinkable ship" with that teaser, merc

[sage roost]

Just looks like a prototype

[old sedge]

I really want this car
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1131712_glickenhaus-007s-hypercar-revealed-with-1-400-hp-estimated-sub-6-00-ring-time

The road legal version of this car can already lap Nurburgring in under 6 minutes

Sadly, this car is probably more expensive than a Lambo Huracan

[ocean rock]

Gotta recoup the loss of being a conservative in a heavily progressive sport

[old sedge]

Maybe Jim Glickenhaus is right to think that his brand is worth more than Ferrari brand

[ocean rock]

Atleast ferrari actually have the drive to innovate

Glickenhaus have none of that. He just wanna reminisce.

[old sedge]

If that's true, then his brand will be worth more than Lambo brand too

But you have a point though, Jim wants to live in the old glory days of racing

Living in the old glory days is probably a huge reason why they're last place in the hypercar category at Le Mans

If Ferrari builds a Le Mans hypercar, I'm sure it'll have high chances of dominating Le Mans, Daytona and Sebring

Innovation and development are important in races and having none of those will not win the race.

[ocean rock]

Yes but that spirit flies to the face of competition

As you say so, none of those will win the race.

Like by this stage theyre so conservative in WEC, Glick might as well propose to get sponsored by The Heritage Foundation and PragerU

[old sedge]

At first, I thought Glick didn't build a hybrid hypercar because his funding for the race is not big

At least someone in the livestream chat said that Glick's funding wasn't as big as Toyota's funding

[ocean rock]

He has enough to outsource.

[old sedge]

And because of the car's RWD drivetrain and heavy engine(heavier than the Toyota's hybrid engine) at the back, his drivers need to counter-steer more often than Toyota's drivers while being slower too

I think someone in the Glick's livestream chat during the race said that their decision to use pure ICE twin-turbo engine makes them awesome

[ocean rock]

Yeah but you know what also feel and sound awesome? Snorting coke

He's being illogical.

[old sedge]

[dry sage]

Hmm...

[mint plank]

dont ask

[dry sage]

Slightly shorter... what are we gonna call those "aero-fenders" over the wheels?

Pointier nose, elongated to match the front wing.
More triangular side intakes.
Rounder + deeper (?) rear wing?

[sage roost]

I’m very interested to see how the drs will work on the new cars

[dry sage]

My guess is that they'll cut the middle piece.

And make that one movable.

Would this wing have been any good, btw?

[hybrid charm]

That placement reminds me of the Enzo FXX

[heady swift]

uhm

[wet gulch]

My bike got stolen ☹️

[heady swift]

ah that sucks

but as this is an international server, I don't think we can do anything for you

[wet gulch]

Lol

Sorry

[winter reef]

https://i.4cdn.org/o/1641018640332.png

mitsubishi lancer pepe

good god

This is the rarest one I've seen yet

[analog flicker]

orang

[vale leaf]

Orang

[old sedge]

Which would you guys prefer in a race, driving the highest class car while having the last class position or driving the lowest class car while having the first class position?

[mint plank]

depends how long the race is

and what classes are we talking

[old sedge]

Oh

And if I'm not mistaken, having 1st class position is still a win or achievement even if the overall position is not 1st, right?

[deep kelp]

pohyi

[boreal jackal]

This looks like a fucking roblox car

[analog flicker]

it is

[boreal jackal]

🗿

[heady swift]

people consistently winning at lower classes will receive contracts to go to higher ones

hence why it's mostly a ladder system

of course there are privateers and garage teams as well

[old sedge]

Privateers can jump to higher classes?

[heady swift]

Yes, but no because it's insanely expensive

[old sedge]

Oh well, I guess it will take a lot of time for me to reach my dream of joining a 24h race at least 😅

[heady swift]

I mean you can be very wealthy and buy a gt3 am team

[old sedge]

I'm not really a multi-millionaire so nope

Chances are you could probably afford it more than I do

[winged rivet]

lets be real
as unreliable as Fiats may be, we can all agree that this hatchback would conquer the tuner community

[heady swift]

eh personally don't like the punto

[winter reef]

My fav fiats are just 500 tbh

[main cosmos]

No

[winter reef]

I'd say the new Peugeot Hatches would

BUT

people have this stupid stigma over french cars

Muh unreliability issues

Most of this shit was on a few models of Opels or others

Specifically easytronic transmissions

But they are all good now

Hell Renault was good even in the 2000's when french cars were considered super faulty

How do I know this? Our 2007 Dacia Logan MCV never needed any engine repairs.Only proper maintanance.

It's always kids on tik tok that never experienced a french car that say NEVER OWNING A FRENCH CAR

Peugeot's been killing it with those headlights

[heady swift]

opel is deutsch

[winter reef]

Oh shit

I keep uh confusing that

Since they are in the PSA

I just automatically assume it's french

[winged rivet]

Del Sol : D