why develop the most efficient 4WD system and not use it for any car which might benefit from it
#transportation
hybrid charm
that's what the races are for 😉
heady swift
yes exactly
hybrid charm
knowledge to use in manufacturing
heady swift
Whatever internal parts are used are not fitted for rally because drifting requires very different technology. Maybe its slip-differential could be set up for rally, though
But the bumper won't hold
hybrid charm
I don't get it what's so different?
heady swift
The parts are tailored for its use
hybrid charm
It's nothing much, just tires some suspension parts in front for the angle, the powertrain is changed in the process of making a rally car anyways.
heady swift
Drifting happens on flat surfaces at low speeds, rallying requires a car to be able to absorb the force of flying in the air at 200km/h, land on any surface and continue without that force hampering the car in any way
hybrid charm
It'll probably cost less preparing a car like this for rally than buying one and changing everything
heady swift
You'll need new suspension, new turbo-infrastructure, new cooling, everything wheel-related new too, new aero, new reinforcements
blissful lagoon
Essentially redoing everything i imagine
heady swift
The bumper of the car won't last a second, it has no reinforcement and if it scrapes it'll come off entirely
hybrid charm
You'll need new suspension, new turbo-infrastructure, new cooling, everything wh...
new turbo new cooling why?
narrow thistle
cuz its gotta hold up to a rough beating
if the car flips n lands it keeps going
do that wit a drift car n its done right there
narrow thistle
hit a wall n its a day
heady swift
new turbo new cooling why?
because they require turbo's that can give optimal boost when going 30 and when going 220 while maintaining its integrity
hybrid charm
because they require turbo's that can give optimal boost when going 30 and when ...
and how do you know the turbo that's already in there can't?
heady swift
because they don't use FIA specified rallying turbo's for drifting
same reason they don't use whatever garrett turbo's they use in gt500
narrow thistle
literally nothing special
🧢
hybrid charm
idk, that looks like a good car to make rally car out of
a normal person making one has to buy one and make from scratch anyways
blissful lagoon
In idea yes, in execution you'd rather just get a regular car and convert
hybrid charm
literally acura:
narrow thistle
integra is not an ilx the last time i checked
hybrid charm
the resemblance is uncanny
blissful lagoon
No its not
hybrid charm
yes it is
blissful lagoon
you're just blind
narrow thistle
no its not
hybrid charm
youreruruee*
blissful lagoon
i see nothing wrx about that
hybrid charm
i see everything wrx about that
narrow thistle
j bc the tailights r n headlights r the same doesnt mean shit
hybrid charm
nah its shit
narrow thistle
where tf did a wrx come from
hybrid charm
manual transmission option is a plus, everything else about the car is garbage
heady swift
a normal person making one has to buy one and make from scratch anyways
You usually just buy a donor and send it to a shop
hybrid charm
manual transmission option is a plus, everything else about the car is garbage
i can guarantee it will be disappointing
narrow thistle
manual transmission option is a plus, everything else about the car is garbage
it hasnt even released? 
narrow thistle
i can guarantee it will be disappointing
bold statement
hybrid charm
hence why i said "it will be"
blissful lagoon
Fishe
narrow thistle
manual transmission option is a plus, everything else about the car is garbage
u said is here
hybrid charm
what
i'm referring to the fact that the car is going to be available with a manual transmission
wtf are you talking about
blissful lagoon
And the fact you said everything else would be garbage
hybrid charm
yeah it will be
narrow thistle
u said everything else is garbage but the car itself hasnt even released yet
blissful lagoon
Show us than
narrow thistle
cant make statements about it when it doesnt even exist yet
blissful lagoon
Show what you think makes it garbage
hybrid charm
cant make statements about it when it doesnt even exist yet
yeah people said that about the wrx
"don't mock it if it isn't here yet"
it arrived, and it was a steaming pile of shit
hybrid charm
i doubt it, new cars rarely ever catch the charm of the older models
if i was to have an integra
i'd rather spend upwards of 22-35k on a dc2 or dc5
winged rivet
I dont have a car
but i do have an intake
static gale
filter*
winged rivet
oh
old sedge
Which hybrid do you want more, Toyota Prius or Honda CR-Z?
kind osprey
The prius has double the practicality and is more reliable
jagged sentinel
The prius has double the practicality and is more reliable
Not to mention Toyota has already aced the Prius formula seeing as they've been making it for like 25 years
kind osprey
Yea as much as the Prius has the grass eater tree hugging reputation and has stuck with it a bit too much, I’ve always liked the car for what it is since well ever
In 2006 a prius 1:64 scale car was the first thing I ever ordered online. It was only $2 but shipping was like $16 so my parents were like tf did you get
Turns out it was from Japan themselves
And took a month to get but it was worth it
Lmao
jagged sentinel
Turns out it was from Japan themselves
Do you know how much it's worth now? Or are you keeping it
old sedge
I like the CR-Z more because it's faster and it looks cool
sage roost
Which hybrid do you want more, Toyota Prius or Honda CR-Z?
Prius
Similar opinion to epik’s
old sedge
The CR-Z is more fun to drive than the Prius but I think the downside would be the fuel consumption
winged rivet
hot take
this is the best miata
twin fiber
Anyone watching F1? 
twin fiber
Mazepin gonna get himself kicked out of team 
main cosmos
SPEEED
main cosmos
winged rivet
I think miata is best miata
fair enough
ocean rock
Fangio award to bottas lets fuckin go
sage roost
ffs the one time I thought redbull are getting a front row lockout
ashen carbon
Well and we thought Merc was gonna dominate COTA
mint plank
kek
ashen carbon
🅱️ottas WDC <@200162274894151680> <@664090949009408013>
Pray for HAM/VER to Monza themselves for the remaining races and BOT to win all of them
ocean rock
Yes 
sage roost
Pray for HAM/VER to Monza themselves for the remaining races and BOT to win all ...
Well Brazil has a sprint race
Max has a 100% record of getting pole in the weekends that have a sprint
But also a 100% dnf record 
old sedge
If Bruce McLaren is from NZ, then how come McLaren is a British brand?
ocean rock
Because he established the brand in Woking, UK.
old sedge
Oh, so that's why
main cosmos
race day my dudes
winter reef
bruh, childhood memory unlocked
in the old town i used to live there was always a parked rover 75 near our place
just found out that company kinda died in the 60's damn
for some reason the model was in 1998 through 2005
the hell has been going on in that company
ashen carbon
Safety car shenanigans strikes again 
twin fiber
Someone's on softs
dry sage
Max might go all out early on.
twin fiber
Perez's tyre getting better 
dry sage
surreal saffron
Lewis complaining about tires already
It is never his fault. Ever
ashen carbon
Max 2.2s pit. Whew.
Suddenly 18 Lance Stroll on a pitstop forever ago
Bottas still stuck behind Ricciardo 
twin fiber
Nooo
ashen carbon
Bottas fucked by Merc pit again
twin fiber
Sjznfbekwksbsb
ashen carbon
Bottas fighting Russell again. Crash?
vocal tide
FML I though the race was 2h later
uncut saddle
Oof
vocal tide
Will need to watch the start later
uncut saddle
It was eventful
uncut saddle
Not a whole lot of interesting stuff happened after
ashen carbon
Yeah, not much going on now other than Perez slowly catching up to Hamilton
uncut saddle
And Bottas has been staring at Ricciardo's ass for 99% of the race
ashen carbon
And Bottas has been staring at Ricciardo's ass for 99% of the race
Imagine having to stare at the car that punted you all the way from the top in the first place for the entire race. 
vocal tide
Pulling a Sainz
ashen carbon
When you're miles ahead of everyone behind you, and miles behind everyone in front of you
Yeah, no action left 💤
vocal tide
So no 1-2 for Red Bull
ashen carbon
Perez got held up by Russell and can't catch up again
vocal tide
Unless HAM tyres go off in dramatic fashion
ashen carbon
Unlikely. It'd be Leclerc first.
vocal tide
I like the dance between Verstappen and Bottas
ashen carbon
Bottas slow stop again
vocal tide
well, it's still a 1-3
main cosmos
Bottas fucked up big time lol
uncut saddle
Wasn't really his fault
dry sage
It was a race incident. Ocon got sandwiched.
But damn Max was on fire today.
Also, funny how they aren't wearing masks.
Well, not all of them at least.
uncut saddle
That crowd is fantastic
dry sage
Pepe celebrating with the flag is so fucking wholesome. 
sage roost
And just like that, redbull are back in position for the constructors
main cosmos
Wasn't really his fault
Im talking about how he gave max the racing line at the start of the race 
ashen carbon
Happy to see Perez seemingly finally settling into his RB seat over the last few races though
No more "why are you fishing DotD by sucking at qualifying and passing a bunch of shitboxes"
dry sage
uncut saddle
Im talking about how he gave max the racing line at the start of the race <:pepe...
Ah my bad
sage roost
No more "why are you fishing DotD by sucking at qualifying and passing a bunch o...
He learned that he shouldn’t save tires in qualifying
And ngl seeing valtteri getting spun around gave me “is that Glock?” Vibes
winged rivet
man why does every Porsche 944 near me have to be so junky
jagged sentinel
man why does every Porsche 944 near me have to be so junky
winged rivet
If im gonna buy a car
im gonna buy a good one
thats atleast in good condition, with everything working
jagged sentinel
That's a fair assessment
jagged sentinel
Price Astronomical✅
winged rivet
this listing has a good price
5.8k isnt terrible(?)
old sedge
Why is it rare for cars to have twinchargers? Twincharger has no turbolag because it's a combination of supercharger and turbocharger which eliminates the lag
Twincharger would probably be good for races before hybrid motors became trends
kind osprey
That's not how it works
and they aren't rare a handful of vehicles have different types of twin or sequential turbo setups
kind osprey
Del sol is cooler but the cr-x below has more practical space
blissful lagoon
Only issues i face are mostly rust and snow
Thats about it
Ok except space
i won't really be doing much
so
ashen carbon
Nissan ✅
Z Model ✅
Funny Headlights ✅
Headlights used by facelift Diablo ✅
wild brook
winter reef
compact skoda fabia is such a cute car
especially in person
I miss the old skoda grilles
jagged sentinel
Why is it rare for cars to have twinchargers? Twincharger has no turbolag becaus...
Because it is complicated and expensive to mass produce
Also it's really not necessary for like 95% of vehicles
The more moving parts you add, the more that can break
old sedge
So that's why many vehicles use twin scroll turbochargers, twin-turbochargers or biturbochargers to reduce lag
jagged sentinel
So that's why many vehicles use twin scroll turbochargers, twin-turbochargers or...
Or they just don't use forced induction
Which is common here
old sedge
Here, only gas engines which doesn't use forced induction when it comes to modern engines
Modern NA diesel engines are virtually non-existent here
ocean rock
Yeah, cheaper to go NA because the power demand from consumer is not significant, and the environmental standard is not that high.
And NA diesel is just dumb, because youre just begging for limp engine that farts out more NOx than a cow farm.
jagged sentinel
Yeah, cheaper to go NA because the power demand from consumer is not significant...
Plus there aren't any ridiculous displacement restrictions in the US so forced induction especially isn't as necessary
old sedge
How about a supercharged diesel?
heady swift
turbo diesels are very common in Europe. Diesels already make up around 50 per cent of all combustion-based cars here anyway
main cosmos
Same
heady swift
Superchargers are not common in Europe, SK and Japan because most cars rely on 3/4 or 6 cylinder engines. American cars are commonly equipped with torque-heavy, big V8 engines, which are very compatible to superchargers. Plus these engines are often designed to give ample performance when NA, as opposed to many european and japanese makes that already involve turbo's at the begin of the production cycle/chain. I mean AMG has used superchargers because of their V8s, but small turbocharged engines are still the standard.
Plus, turbo chargers decrease carbon emissions and increase fuel efficiency whereas superchargers do the exact opposite
especially when it comes to smog, which is additionally more a problem with diesels
and because the EU mandates emissions, as opposed to the US, more incentive is given to use turbo's for non-performance cars
hybrid charm
i remember sitting in a supercharged na2 nsx
interesting approach to getting more than 300+ hp from the c32b
torque band/throttle response was understandably very good
heady swift
superchargers are generally a better way to get extra power
hybrid charm
relatively cheap too
heady swift
they're simple constructions and the power gain is greater than that of most turbo's, plus you don't rely on mid to high rpms for flow
hybrid charm
yeah
heady swift
but the burden that superchargers carry is that they rely torque and are inefficient, which is why you don't see them very often in racing
hybrid charm
that's true
come to think of it, i've rarely seen turbo's in racing too
maybe aside from older gen f1 cars from mid to late 80s
and group A skylines
heady swift
come to think of it, i've rarely seen turbo's in racing too
I see them all the time
hybrid charm
then again, i'm only really interested in the older VHS jgtc races, and most of the cars that competed in that area were na
heady swift
NA rallying is unthinkable, DTM/Super GT use turbo for everything too (gt500 pushes 6/650HP on a 4 cyl), FIA Gt3 cars are often turbocharged too, LEM uses turbo's too
honestly the engines they use in gt500 are baffling
the turbo they use generates a pressure up to 3,5 bar
hybrid charm
the super gt gt300 cars are just as impressive
those things are quick compared to european gt's
heady swift
Yeah the FIA should really look at supergt as an example
instead of increasing costs while becoming more corpocrat
hybrid charm
Your main mode transportation: Cars
My only mode of transportation: Buses
Yes
ocean rock
We dont shame ya
winged rivet
who wants to debate on which of these two Hot hatches are better
ocean rock
Mazdaspeed already won by basically in stock all the time
vocal hedge
yo
old sedge
Next 24 hours of Le Mans, if Glick will join again, I would bet my money on it winning
heady swift
nah
they could hardly compete with current lmp2
next year they'll compete with an upgraded gr010, peugeot and bykolles
ocean rock
next year they'll compete with an upgraded gr010, peugeot and bykolles
So GR010, Peugeot, and hopeless despot who weasel their way to WEC. Ehh theyll be fine
3rd in 4 team class is good enough.
Just field a car, like any car
And theyll beat bykolles
heady swift
yeah they'll beat bykolles
maybe peugeot if their cars suddenly explode
but gazoo nah
and peugeot is still extremely strong
old sedge
0:04 was unfortunate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqh9uSDOJTs
old sedge
Is it wrong for me to think that the Glickenhaus car brand is almost same level with Koenigsegg brand?
heady swift
Yes
they're entirely different brands
glickenhaus focuses on making race cars while koenigsegg stuffs million dollar technology in million dollar cars
glickenhaus favours more traditionalist technologies to begin with
and koenigseggs, despite always being the ultra cars in any racing game, are awful on-track
hybrid charm
who wants to debate on which of these two Hot hatches are better
neither are good
nissan sunny n14 hatch 💪
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old sedge
glickenhaus focuses on making race cars while koenigsegg stuffs million dollar t...
I'm not sure if it's true or not but someone said that Glickenhaus thinks his brand is worth more than Ferrari
heady swift
I wouldn't be surprised
but ferrari is bigger, has more racing heritage and success, is literally worth more than his brand and is significantly more future proof
old sedge
But the thing is, while Glick built hypercars, he's new to the industry and only few people know about his car brand. In fact, the first time I heard of Glickenhaus car brand is during this year's 24h of Le Mans
heady swift
I mean yeah
but he doesn't really have much to offer, aside from a pretty nice racing team
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heady swift
for a new brand like that to really prosper, you need a niche
koenigsegg has its technology + aesthetic and pagani its ''form follows function'' aesthetic and big AMG v12
both distinct cars
glickenhaus is a retro ferrari knock-off that tries to break through in racing
unless they start harvesting WEC titles, people won't be very interested
old sedge
And if I'm not mistaken, Glick racing team's budget is not really big, at least small compared to Toyota GR team
heady swift
I mean for an independent team that made their own car, they did very good
but from an non-relative perspective, glickenhaus didn't do too good and the decisions they made concerning the design of the car were stupid
old sedge
They did good for an independent team and first timers in 24h of Le Mans but like you said before, their decision to relive the old glory days of racing made it harder for them to compete against other hypercars
old sedge
0:04 was unfortunate...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqh9uSDOJTs
If you watched this video, I'm still wondering why Westbrook lost control of the car at 0:04, oversteer?
heady swift
That wasn't the fault of the car itself
He was zig-zagging because of the car that passed him
old sedge
Oh
heady swift
the constant change in mass distribution caused him to lose control (oversteer)
but I watched both glickenhaus and the gr010 live
heady swift
the glickenhaus had to correct every turn because of oversteer and could hardly pass lmp2s while the gr010 had no pacing issues and ran butter smooth
old sedge
GR had 2 streams that time, both for their 7 and 8
old sedge
the glickenhaus had to correct every turn because of oversteer and could hardly ...
So in that situation, a GR010 would've still done better even if he's zig-zagging?
heady swift
a light V6 and a hybrid drivetrainallow for good weight distribution. Glickenhaus had a heavy v8 in the back, which is bad for positioning and weight distribution
old sedge
The Alpine didn't seem to be hybrid either, its engine is larger than the Glick's engine
heady swift
So in that situation, a GR010 would've still done better even if he's zig-zaggin...
Yes, the weight distribution is superior and they had a relatively complex 4wd system
glickenhaus is rwd
hence the oversteer, especially in combination with a big v8
old sedge
So the GR010's drivetrain is not just an everyday AWD we see
heady swift
So the GR010's drivetrain is not just an everyday AWD we see
it's far more simple than the ts050
old sedge
The TS050 seems faster
Or at least it's lighter and the engine output with motor is higher
heady swift
which had a v6 with a complex differential for the hybrid motor to deploy kers across all four wheels
heady swift
The TS050 seems faster
Yes, LMH is around 130kg heavier and has a power output of around 600/700 hp
instead of 900/1000
old sedge
I wonder what made the GR010 an upgrade if it's slower besides the simpler AWD
heady swift
it's not an upgrade
Lmp1 was too expensive, so the FIA decided to renew WEC by implementing LMH and LMDH
LMH is heavier and less powerful than LMP1 and has a cost-cap
old sedge
Oh
heady swift
LMDH is essentially a renewed LMP2 where manufacturers buy chassis' from bespoke builders
mostly meant for american brands
the revival is quite successful, however
old sedge
Is this also the reason why Le Mans race cars are slower than the 1980s and 1990s Le Mans race cars?
It's just that the Le Mans race cars in this year's race look slower than the stars of the 1980s and 1990s Le Mans
heady swift
the revival is quite successful, however
By 2023, Ferrari, toyota, bykolles, peugeot and glickenhaus will compete in LMH and acura, audi, bmw, mazda, cadillac, alpine and porsche in LMDH
heady swift
Is this also the reason why Le Mans race cars are slower than the 1980s and 1990...
You're referring to group C?
old sedge
Yes
heady swift
Group C was hallmarked by extreme power output and (in the end of group C and transition towards GT1) extreme downforce
you're looking at cars that weigh 900kg and have over a 1000 HP
and would consistently reach speeds over 380 km/h
old sedge
The Sauber Mercedes C9, Jaguar XJR-9, WM Peugeot P88 and the R92CP seem to be the famous cars in Group C though
Sauber Mercedes C9 reached 400 km/h and the WM Peugeot P88 reached 405 km/h
heady swift
the problem was that these cars were A) extremely expensive and B) too fast for the track
LMP1 was also getting too fast for le mans
old sedge
Not to mention the Sauber Mercedes C9, R89C and R92CP's transmissions are only 5-speed yet their top speeds are too fast
heady swift
Not to mention the Sauber Mercedes C9, R89C and R92CP's transmissions are only 5...
the gear ratios don't really matter, it's just annoying for the driver
old sedge
If the R92CP was used when Le Mans still don't have chicanes on the Mulsanne Straight, its top speed would probably be similar with the Sauber Mercedes C9 or maybe it would also reach 400km/h
The R92CP is famous in Gran Turismo community 🙂
heady swift
LMP1 was faster than group C despite their immense speeds. The superior and smaller frames allow for better handling and the 4WD hybrid drivetrain for significantly better acceleration
Group C was also plagued with turbo lag
old sedge
That too
And I guess the reason why Toyota dominated Le Mans now is because Porsche changed their category
heady swift
but lmh is currently a lot slower
old sedge
Porsche didn't enter the LMP1 and LMPH category
heady swift
And I guess the reason why Toyota dominated Le Mans now is because Porsche chang...
the gr010 was already dominant since 2016, but gazoo had very unfortunate accidents and engine failures in the last half of their races
they missed out on two championship titles because of that
old sedge
Oh, that's sad
heady swift
audi and porsche dropped out in 2016 and 2017 (2018 practically) because of dieselgate
but both are returning to le mans in LMDH
porsche might return in LMH instead, if they can get the funding
old sedge
If Porsche joined using a hybrid LMPH, they'll have good chances of reclaiming the crown.
If they don't win, they would at least give Toyota GR serious competition
heady swift
absolutely, but gazoo holds a better hand because they've consistently raced since 2018
as opposed to porsche that dropped out and will re-enter in 2023
meaning that gazoo has five years of R&D extra
old sedge
Glick on the other hand should stop living in the old glory days of racing if he wants better chances of his cars winning
old sedge
Well, his style of living in those old glory days made his drivers struggle by making them need to countersteer to correct oversteer more often
heady swift
pipi motors made the infamous I4 for hyundai's WRC car, they're specialised in efficient I4s.
but they had to combine two of them to create his V8
which is braindead
nonetheless an amazing engine, but it can't compete against hybrids
old sedge
Amazing engine at the wrong time
Glick's cars would've won if they joined the Le Mans 5-10 years earlier
heady swift
eh maybe
well no because his design is lmh and not lmp1
but even now, his design is dumb
old sedge
I originally thought that Glick's LMH car isn't hybrid because his budget is small
heady swift
nah, he's just old fashioned
otherwise he would've used a 3.5L v6
or an I4 with a turbo pushing 3 bar
which pipo would definitely design
compare the gr010 with the glickenhaus
old sedge
And since his car's engine is 3.5L V8 twin-turbo pure ICE, it suffered turbo lag too? Oh wait, his turbochargers have anti-lag systems.
heady swift
And since his car's engine is 3.5L V8 twin-turbo pure ICE, it suffered turbo lag...
Probably no anti-lag
anti-lag kills turbo's
hence why GT500 and WRC replace them every race
old sedge
anti-lag kills turbo's
How?
heady swift
anti-lag relies on external combustion, which puts massive strain on the turbo
old sedge
So it can literally destroy the turbo?
heady swift
Yes, if it's used for too long
old sedge
I'm not sure if this video claimed that it has anti-lag or not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06bJTv7B2vg
Does anti-lag totally eliminate turbo lag or only reduces it?
heady swift
I'm not sure if this video claimed that it has anti-lag or not
https://www.youtu...
does sound like turbo lag a bit, but can't find anything on it
heady swift
Does anti-lag totally eliminate turbo lag or only reduces it?
anti-lag uses external combustion in the exhaust to generate flow. Of course, the combustion damages the exhaust manifold, catalytic converter (should it be equipped with one) and the extra heat damages the non-heat resistant part of the turbo
If properly configured, it can almost eliminate turbo lag
old sedge
But with a hybrid motor, the turbo lag can be eliminated without anti-lag system if I'm not mistaken
heady swift
GT500 runs amazing garrett turbo's that push 3.5 bar, which is an insane amount. That way, their I4s can run 650HP reliably for several hours
heady swift
But with a hybrid motor, the turbo lag can be eliminated without anti-lag system...
Yes, turbo's take time to spool up, depending on their size and material. The bigger the turbo, the more RPMs are essentially needed for boost
electric engines deliver power instantly, and thus can fill the boostless gap
old sedge
There are 2 ways Glick can eliminate or reduce turbo lags for his cars, these are:
- Use bi-turbochargers
- Use twincharger
But these 2 would result in having less engine output
heady swift
There are 2 ways Glick can eliminate or reduce turbo lags for his cars, these ar...
twin turbo's still have turbo lag and a twincharger puts a lot of strain on the engine
You win by planning and durability, not speed in le mans
hence why I'm sceptical on anti-lag for endurance
old sedge
If I'm not mistaken, twin-turbo is having 2 same-sized turbochargers and bi-turbo is having 2 different sized turbochargers, 1 small turbo and 1 big turbo.
heady swift
But these 2 would result in having less engine output
Not really, unless you don't have enough room for the original turbo and need to opt for a smaller one, but superchargers generate more power than turbo's
old sedge
twin turbo's still have turbo lag and a twincharger puts a lot of strain on the ...
The supercharger part and its moving parts are the ones which put lots of stress on the engine?
heady swift
If I'm not mistaken, twin-turbo is having 2 same-sized turbochargers and bi-turb...
not really, both just refer to ''2''
old sedge
Oh
heady swift
The supercharger part and its moving parts are the ones which put lots of stress...
Yes, superchargers are directly mounted onto the engine and use its torque for activity
the problem is that causes extra strain and is fuel inefficient
old sedge
And I don't know how but someone did say that supercharger can rob the engine of its power
heady swift
I mean if it's not mounted well it can be very negative
and superchargers are not useful for cars that aren't torque heavy
they rely on torque for activity
hence why american v8s often use them
old sedge
Ooooh
heady swift
european and especially japanese cars rely on high RPMs, which is ideal for turbo's
pipo also focuses on RPM-heavy cars due to WRC, which is why a supercharger would be an ill-fit for the glickenhaus
old sedge
And before we had this conversation, I had lots of thoughts about racing team using twincharged engines in the an endurance race even harder than 24h of Le Mans, 24h of Nurburgring
The twinchargers would probably make their engines stress out even more since it's a hard track
heady swift
well, if you're driving around in a car with a heavy v8, especially around nurburgring, a supercharger would be pretty useful
old sedge
But then again, Nurburgring has less straight than Le Mans
heady swift
nonetheless an efficient 4 or 6 cylinder with a hybrid drivetrain is superior
old sedge
Theoretically, an I5 twin-turbo hybrid engine could work
heady swift
I mean yeah
heady swift
Theoretically, an I5 twin-turbo hybrid engine could work
but it's harder to configure since it's not been used much
other than by audi
old sedge
Audi has a history of winning a 24h of Le Mans race using diesel powered car
Diesel engines are more fuel efficient than petrol engines after all
But diesel engines have lower hp and heavier too
jagged sentinel
And I don't know how but someone did say that supercharger can rob the engine of...
It takes some power to gain some power, as it runs on the belts of the engine itself to spin
heady swift
I6 would be heavier than V6 though
V engines are typically preferred since you can have a lot of cylinders in a small space, an I6, however, is very nice since it offers optimal engine stability
but an I6 is very long
so it's not really used
placement becomes even more difficult because of weight distribution
old sedge
And I guess an I6 engine would be more prone to oversteering than V6?
jagged sentinel
Not necessarily
heady swift
Audi has a history of winning a 24h of Le Mans race using diesel powered car
diesel is standard for WEC
heady swift
And I guess an I6 engine would be more prone to oversteering than V6?
not if it's placed well, but placing an I6 is more difficult than a V6
it's almost twice as big
jagged sentinel
If the engines are the same weight and have the same weight distribution on the same car handling would largely be the same
heady swift
if anything, the I6 would induce more stability
old sedge
H6 could work
jagged sentinel
They are more stable, but the fact that V6 cylinders fire at such high RPMs means the opposite-direction thing wouldn't have that significant of an effect, no?
old sedge
But only few use H6, Subaru is one of the big users of H6
jagged sentinel
You mean boxers?
heady swift
They are more stable, but the fact that V6 cylinders fire at such high RPMs mean...
depends on how you use it, at le mans it would be useful since you're looking at high-rpm driving
old sedge
Yes, boxers
jagged sentinel
depends on how you use it, at le mans it would be useful since you're looking at...
Right
heady swift
in a city or more tracks with more corners it's quite useless
old sedge
H6 boxer engines should work in endurance races
jagged sentinel
I'm mostly only referring to racing situations where you're banging off the rev limiter as frequently as possible
old sedge
And why are there no endurance rally races? 🤔
heady swift
and designing a car that has optimal weight distribution and centre of gravity while having an I6 doesn't really make up for the slightly better stability
old sedge
Like no 24 hours of snow rally race
old sedge
Really? Wow!
jagged sentinel
Is Baja 1000 considered rally
old sedge
And I'm still quite unsure why rally race cars have lower hp than race cars...
heady swift
And I'm still quite unsure why rally race cars have lower hp than race cars...
because death
jagged sentinel
And I'm still quite unsure why rally race cars have lower hp than race cars...
They don't need 900 horsepower
They won't be going more then 160 in the majority of rally courses anyway
heady swift
Track racing is safer since you know the track by heart and there aren't many variables, especially if the track is carefully tended to every day. Rallying occurs in any environment, and thus the variable are pretty much indefinite and the driving conditions significantly worse.
jagged sentinel
The margin of error in rally is exponentially smaller then that of GT1 or LMP1 for example
old sedge
That's also why rally races have navigators who sit beside the drivers
heady swift
an error in touring championships will result in minor collision or a car flying into a sand pit, in rally you have people going full throttle against a tree or into a ravine
jagged sentinel
If you mess up in rally, you're leaving the course at 110, possibly into a tree, off a cliff, or into something that won't move
heady swift
If you mess up in rally, you're leaving the course at 110, possibly into a tree,...
or a crowd
jagged sentinel
That too
old sedge
And I'm still wondering how come crowds can watch rally from really close to the track with only little protection
heady swift
Plus, WRC is already really powerful
jagged sentinel
And I'm still wondering how come crowds can watch rally from really close to the...
WRC doesn't really like it when you do that, but they can't stop everyone
old sedge
Like there are only few ropes or small barriers between the race track and the spectator stands
old sedge
WRC doesn't really like it when you do that, but they can't stop everyone
Oh. I'm sorry if I couldn't explain it properly but you get what I mean, right? Like spectators are only like 1-3cms away from rally race cars participating the race?
jagged sentinel
Oh. I'm sorry if I couldn't explain it properly but you get what I mean, right? ...
Yes
old sedge
If they get hit, I hope the driver won't get charged
heady swift
Oh. I'm sorry if I couldn't explain it properly but you get what I mean, right? ...
Used to be far worse during group a and b
jagged sentinel
Back in Group B, mechanics would have counselors on site because they would sometimes find severed fingers in cars
old sedge
That's gruesome
jagged sentinel
Severed fingers
heady swift
people wouldn't leave the course until the car comes flying by
old sedge
And rally races often have little to no grip, power slides are common there
heady swift
anyway, 500HP is more than enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIK61AmU3n0&list=LL&index=1&ab_channel=RSeoltre
jagged sentinel
And rally races often have little to no grip, power slides are common there
Yes, that's what rally is more or less famous for
old sedge
So if a spectator gets hit because he's in the track or standing near track with only little protection, the driver shouldn't get charged for it 😦
heady swift
unless they purposefully drive into a crowd, no
old sedge
But if it's not on purpose, would it be fair to say that the spectator also has a fault for standing too close to the track or inside the track itself instead of staying in safer sides of spectator areas?
jagged sentinel
They are at fault
heady swift
But if it's not on purpose, would it be fair to say that the spectator also has ...
There are designated spectator areas (where if something went wrong, the organisation would be held accountable). Standing next to the track is your own fault
especially if people are dumb enough to stand near areas which are prone to driver-error
like corners
jagged sentinel
especially if people are dumb enough to stand near areas which are prone to driv...
And then sticking their hand out to touch the car as it blew by
Fuckin dumbasses
heady swift
in wrc it's fortunately not very bad
old sedge
The left side of the Subaru seems unsafe for spectators to stand
heady swift
eh that area is fine
professional drivers won't fuck up the entry like that
I'd be more worried about the inside
jagged sentinel
The longer banking corners are generally less dangerous
jagged sentinel
The left side of the Subaru seems unsafe for spectators to stand
Or something with a wide trail like that
heady swift
The left side of the Subaru seems unsafe for spectators to stand
the spectators are in a relatively safe area
the inside and mid-section of the outside curve are more dangerous
jagged sentinel
Midsection as in Apex?
heady swift
The area after the spectators
jagged sentinel
I'm unable to watch the video at the moment so
heady swift
since the driver will try to cut the corner and can lose control and slip into that mid section or cut too and scoop legs
old sedge
That dude on the right at the door slot is close, his view would probably be nice
Oops, sorry, I was just putting a link to where I got the screenshot
If he steps inside the track and gets hit, I guess the race organizers and drivers can't be held responsible for it anymore
heady swift
No, they're only responsible for the areas where they designate their spectators
old sedge
Would this be more dangerous?
heady swift
I mean a driver wouldn't find themselves on that part of the road
but yeah nonetheless dangerous
old sedge
Especially that he's in the inside turn I guess
heady swift
eh he's relatively safe as a driver wouldn't be at that part of the road
since you'd take that turn in a very different way
but things always go wrong
ocean rock
I mean, its just a photographer
ashen carbon
Rally spectators are a living proof that humanity is generally stupid.
Peak stupidity: Going onto the road
1st runner up: Standing on the outside of a corner
2nd runner up: Standing anywhere near after a jump
Honorable mention: Everyone.
old sedge
Peak stupidity: Going *onto* the road
1st runner up: Standing on the outside of ...
I bet that if the spectators get hit by rally cars while they're outside the designated safe zone to watch the rally races near the track would sue the drivers or the race organizers.
Btw, how about using VNTs to turbocharge the engine in endurance races? Would it work?
dim plover
I bet that if the spectators get hit by rally cars while they're outside the des...
A horrible accident happened in the 80's with Group B, 30 people were maimed and 3 people were killed. The driver was trying to avoid one group of spectators who were on the road, and subsequently plowed into a crowd of spectators who were situated on the outside of a left turn
As for lawsuits and legal damages, I don't recall if there were any
old sedge
A horrible accident happened in the 80's with Group B, 30 people were maimed and...
If the group of spectators were on the road, it means they're probably inside the track itself and if that's the case, then it's their own fault.
winged rivet
cant believe that this beetle with a radial engine only produces 220hp
kind osprey
anymore and you'd be wishing death
old sedge
VNT turbochargers has reduced turbo lags, right?
heady swift
VNT turbochargers has reduced turbo lags, right?
Yes, but they're extremely complicated
and are because of the vv's a bit unreliable for high temperatures
audi used them in 2010 and won
at le mans
they were subsequently banned
old sedge
Seems like the reasons why VNTs are not used for endurance races are similar with the reasons why they don't use anti-lag systems and twinchargers
ocean rock
VNT was too complicated, antilag is blatantly inefficient.
And twincharger setup blows enough heat that cooling will always be an issue.
ocean rock
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/72035/mazepin-turns-to-youtube-to-learn-interlagos/ @main cosmos @sage roost @dry sage
Clickbait Title: Nikita Mazepin to Collaborate with Jarno Opmeer for Brazilian GP
old sedge
VNT was too complicated, antilag is blatantly inefficient.
So it means users of non-hybrid turbocharged engines for endurance race cars will really need to "bite the bullet" and accept turbo lags in endurance races...
sage roost
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/72035/mazepin-turns-to-youtube-to-learn-interl...
Mazepin plays F1 2021 with driving line confirmed??????
jagged sentinel
So it means users of non-hybrid turbocharged engines for endurance race cars wil...
I mean if they can keep RPMs high turbo lag won't be an issue
old sedge
I mean if they can keep RPMs high turbo lag won't be an issue
That would be an issue in races with multiple medium and hard turns though
jagged sentinel
Downshifting exists
ocean rock
I mean if they can keep RPMs high turbo lag won't be an issue
Or just ya know, turn the deployments up during spool time with hybrid system.
Thats what MGU-H does.
old sedge
Group C race cars suffered turbo lag
old sedge
Modern hybrid engines for race cars may be expensive but they make acceleration better
sage roost
https://twitter.com/SpannersReady/status/1459126345385000971?s=20 who would’ve thought…
full sail
ashen carbon
Perpetually broke team takes one of the best-paying pay drivers on offer. Imagine that.
Also, didn't he say he doesn't want a 1-year drive?
🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
hybrid charm
what did everyone think of the integra debut
ashen carbon
It's just cashing in on a classic name
Nothing groundbreaking or even interesting about it.
sage roost
🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
BREAKING NEWS: Mercedes sign Nicholas Latifi to drive alongside Lewis Hamilton until the end of 2023
sage roost
what did everyone think of the integra debut
It’s just a civic
hybrid charm
Integra design has gone to the dogs
agreed
ashen carbon
hybrid charm
they made it look so fucking civilian
ashen carbon
What is this, FIA actually enforcing track limits against HAM
hybrid charm
they made it look so fucking civilian
and if people want a 4 door integra they should just look for a db8, even if they're rare
surreal saffron
Or the DC5
hybrid charm
was their a dc5 4 door?
surreal saffron
What is this, FIA actually enforcing track limits against HAM
A rare event.
sage roost
Perez in 8th 
ashen carbon
Not fucking again 💤
dry sage
Plus, there's still the Sprint.
And yes, that Integra, much like any other modern Japanese car with an iconic heritage is pure ass.
dry sage
The Supra is a Z4. The new Civic Type-R will be just as chunky. The Z is weird so far, and I don't have any other high hopes.
hybrid charm
the only modern-ish rework of a classic i liked was the civic fd2
that would've been better off marketed as an integra
ashen carbon
And yes, that Integra, much like any other modern Japanese car with an iconic he...
Come to think of it, the rot started as early as the NSX.
The R35 GT-R was the only one that was worth a damn.... and Nissan hasn't been doing much to the GT-R either. Fucking R35 is older than some people here.
surreal saffron
Well they did do that Italidesign version of the R35
ashen carbon
Well they did do that Italidesign version of the R35
Ew. Half-ass attempt to adapt the Vision GT's design onto the same old R35.
surreal saffron
I can agree to this comment.
main cosmos
goat
ashen carbon
Ticktum: Latifi is poo 🎶
Latifi: Guess I'll out-qualify Russell. 🐐
dry sage
Uh, guys?
@ashen carbon @vocal tide
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1459283605990121473?t=Ughe-QWL_Mc44T95R6BYfQ&s=19
@surreal saffron @main cosmos You may wanna see this, too.
vocal tide
dry sage
TL;DR - Hamilton's DRS was OP.
vocal tide
BTW, still no info yet.
surreal saffron
I can just imagine him blaming his tyres over this.
vocal tide
According to Chris Medland
surreal saffron
I do not negate the fact he can drive, but being respected is another thing.
dry sage
I can just imagine him blaming his tyres over this.
I mean... if the tires were too efficient, that means the power was distributed better - which means the car would have gone faster due to OP tires.
dry sage
I do not negate the fact he can drive, but being respected is another thing.
That's why I dislike Hamilton. It's not that he sucks - but I feel like he wasted his respect.
Then again, Schumacher was far from a saint.
surreal saffron
This is true as well.
dry sage
But iirc, he was also the brains for his own setups sometimes. Correct me if I'm wrong.
(He also had Brawn to thank for the car.)
surreal saffron
I do not know about others, but I find Vettel very suprising tbh.
I like his race style.
surreal saffron
Yeah. Like how he knows very obscure things to exploit but be in the books.
dry sage
To be fair, he was a lot more cocky before.
'17 and '18 crushed him.
When he was pretty close.
surreal saffron
Kimi would be another racer I follow as well.
dry sage
Kimi is just Bootleg Mika - but a very strong Bootleg.
surreal saffron
He can be brass. But he is honest.
surreal saffron
dry sage
Just like 2017 - 2020, except with two likeable guys.
(Not that Bottas isn't likeable.)
surreal saffron
Fr I really need to get back to F1. I kinda stopped after what I felt were too many regulations being imposed rather then actual manufacturers duking it out with their own cars etc
I stopped when Hammy was literally year 2 in the game.
But I have seen him become arrogant
Not hating on the people who support him now.
Is this Mazepin lad still racing?
ocean rock
Kimi is just Bootleg Mika - but a very strong Bootleg.
I have a supreme court joke related to Mika, idk if this is gonna be appropriate here though 
surreal saffron
I think everyone here is mature enough
surreal saffron
"Brett Kavanaugh, what happened if Hakkinen's brain didnt survive 95 Adelaide"
It was the 45 G's
winged rivet
the new golf compared to the MK1 looks tired of shit
main cosmos
Hmmmm interesting
uncut saddle
hybrid charm
the new golf compared to the MK1 looks tired of shit
what is it with car manufacturers making their sports range all look like ev's nowadays
winter reef
Speaking of Suzukis, I just found out how cheap they are to buy new
What would be the best choice for a family car, Vitara or SX4?
I saw SX4 has more CP
mostly everything is better about the SX4 and in my context even the price
sage roost
Wait a min
sage roost
Max touched Lewis’ rear wing during parc ferme
dry sage
And what could be the suspicion? Fixing his wing so that Lewis would have OP DRS? illegal substances?
sage roost
sage roost
Nope
Best case scenario he gets a slap on the wrist
Because even if max touched the rear wing, there’s no way he did anything to it
dry sage
Yeah.
I mean, I get that you could smear something on parts to influence aerodynamics.
I could see penalty points for Lewis' license rather than an extra grid penalty.
sage roost
I wonder if masi got an email from Toto yet
Michael this is Toto, I just sent you an email of the Reddit post that shows Verstappen clearly doing something to the rear wing of car #44 did you receive that?
Imagine they do all this but just end up giving a reprimand to both drivers
dry sage
Did I miss anything?
dry sage
winter reef
fuck....
just found the SX4 is on petrol
god damn it
so is the yaris cross
is petrol really that much of a dealbreaker
we got a diesel logan, is it a good tradeoff for a new car with good reliability?
dry sage
Anything?
sage roost
Merc were given permission to use a new rear wing because the FIA didn’t return it
sage roost
Not yet
dry sage
dry sage
Still nothing.
winter reef
why do cars tend to be worse than others when fabricated in other parts of the globe?
is it the weather?
dry sage
Ye, read it.
50K seems like a slap on the wrist.
Then again, touching a wing =/= having an illegal wing.
dry sage
In other news...
https://twitter.com/BMWMotorsport/status/1459507121914056704?t=UOcCGwC_tt9Tzuk5xtK_RA&s=19
dry sage
TL;DR? What's their excuse?
vocal tide
that is still pertaining to Verstappen's fine
the stewards ruled that what he did was harmless
vocal tide
50k fine is fair for now
but they might go down with 5s or grid drops in future
HAMILTON DSQ from quali
vocal tide
In nutshell: it's 2021
inb4 lewis changes everything tomorrrow if they can't get more than 5 positions
uncut saddle
Yo what
dry sage
Wait, he's DQ'd from Sprint?
uncut saddle
I already saw someone on twitter blaming Bottas for all of this
sage roost
I already saw someone on twitter blaming Bottas for all of this
Toto’s alt account
uncut saddle
Toto’s alt account
vocal tide
About how shit of a teammate he is for not noticing the gap
This is so sad
main cosmos
?????????
static stirrup
Hamilton cheating lool
uncut saddle
Verstappen sabotag!!!11!1!11!!!1
main cosmos
i have a question
main cosmos
since ham is having a new power unit and he is already taking a penalty now
will he still lose 4 places tomorrow
main cosmos
that's pretty messed up tbh
dry sage
So if Hamilton gets P10 in the Sprint, he'll drop down 5 more positions.
It is.
But hey, Ferrari had an illegal engine.
main cosmos
and max got 50K fine????????
dry sage
He didn't damage or affect Lewis' wing in any way.
It was still a breach of rules, hence the fine.
main cosmos
what he did?
dry sage
If he did manipulate the wing, it would probably DQ him from even participating in the Sprint.
He touched / inspected Lewis' wing with gently.
Not like damaging it, but still.
Think of touching a VVS diamond without satin gloves.
dry sage
main cosmos
ahh
dry sage
main cosmos
lmao wtf
dry sage
He didn't break it or anything, but still - no touchy the AMG.
main cosmos
tbh that was not like touching
he was inspecting ?
which is yeah that's a big deal considering they have been struggling with their wing and using duct tape
so after that he probably reported the FIA
dry sage
Here's the thing, I'm sure there's nothing wrong with checking your own car.
But knowing what secret aero quirks your opponent may have is an unfair advantage.
So that's a no-no.
Looking is "fine" - touching is no longer fine.
ashen carbon
And it's also important that the cars were not checked yet
dry sage
And it's also important that *the cars were not checked yet*
Maybe that's it - that AMG thought this caused Lewis' DRS to be too wide open when checked by the FIA.
vocal tide
Sprint hype
twin fiber
Landoooo 
Dude wtf Max racing Valtteri but why 3rd place and rest of the pack 11s behind :O
Hamilton is too fast
vocal tide
that lunge
uncut saddle
20th to 5th in 24 laps
main cosmos
Duuuude that last overtake
twin fiber
And Hamilton gained 15 places in 24 laps
dry sage
Peter telling him not to check any cars.
P5 for the Sprint is pretty good. But P10 for the race is dangerous.
I sense a midfield crash.
ashen carbon
You mean he'll come out of it completely unscathed and rocket his way up to P2 in restart
main cosmos
I will take a guess that it will be a pitstops chaos tomorrow
static gale
static gale
https://twitter.com/RaceOfChampions/status/1459618597827973130?s=20
What a guy
winged rivet
this car
this damn car
main cosmos
Smash it with a tank
hallow stream
why are there so many offbrand copies of gta cars irl?
winter reef
why are spare wheels so expensive 
ocean rock
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1459843553249665029 2022 prediction by F1 Social Media Manager
ashen carbon
sage roost
“hey max can I copy your homework?”
“Yes but don’t make it very obvious” https://youtu.be/3WZeoOkMf0Y?t=184
https://youtu.be/abFGhepdBWw?t=187
main cosmos
jagged sentinel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/722877291910266931/898606014448955462/I...
Interesting swap
main cosmos
@stoic marten yes
stoic marten
clean
main cosmos
And its stupid manual
jagged sentinel
1.5L diesel
That's a thing in a focus?
main cosmos
Yesh
jagged sentinel
My American brain can't comprehend engines smaller then 2 liters
stoic marten
its good to get a hang of that manual thang
because then you can drive any whip
and automatic would feel really easy to drive
jagged sentinel
I wanna learn to drift
stoic marten
scary
jagged sentinel
At the moment I have zero options available
sage roost
My American brain can't comprehend engines smaller then 2 liters
You’ll commit a hate crime seeing that many manufacturers use 1.6L turbo I4s
jagged sentinel
I know they do
main cosmos
Turbo is ehhh
jagged sentinel
I don't even think they sell them in America
stoic marten
i'm not really into cars
jagged sentinel
NA is always better then forced induction imo
stoic marten
but i do wanna drive a low rider
jagged sentinel
But for NA to be actually usable the engine would need good torque, which typically means bigger displacement
heady swift
My American brain can't comprehend engines smaller then 2 liters
lmao
turbocharged 1,5 or 2L I4s are standard here
sage roost
I won’t be surprised if ford starts using the 1.6L engine for the eco boost mustang
jagged sentinel
2.3 is small enough
sage roost
The fiesta ST uses the 1.6L engine no?
jagged sentinel
If they put a V8 in the Bronco I'd be happy but
heady swift
I mean the 2.3 is already expensive here because mini-market
but the v8 costs around 100K eu here
old sedge
I won’t be surprised if ford starts using the 1.6L engine for the eco boost must...
1.3L I3 tri-turbocharged engine
Then 1.0L I2 quad-turbocharged engine
sage roost
I mean the 2.3 is already expensive here because mini-market
I don’t see any 2.3 mustangs here
Either V6 or 5.0
old sedge
What if they build a 1.5L I3 twin-turbocharged engine with 380hp?
main cosmos
Wtf
old sedge
Will that destroy the engine?
heady swift
What if they build a 1.5L I3 twin-turbocharged engine with 380hp?
that would be such a waste of engineering
main cosmos
Yeah like 2 pistons with a turbo
old sedge
that would be such a waste of engineering
Engines are getting smaller after all
main cosmos
Then another one with a turbo
heady swift
You use I4s because of their small size and stability, adding three turbo's would defeat that entire purpose and destroy the engine
WRC and SuperGT(500) already use small I4s with a single turbo
the 1.6L they use in WRC generate around 500HP and the 2L in GT500 around 650 (holy garrett turbo)
main cosmos
What we need to do is focusing on efficiency
Some company made an engine that doesn't need spark plugs for the second cycle
heady swift
three turbo's is definitely not needed
heady swift
Are there even any manufacturers using 2< turbos?
yes, most european and japanese makes
korean too
sage roost
heady swift
1,6 and 2L are standard
main cosmos
There is also 1.8
sage roost
Wait I mistyped that
jagged sentinel
I can only think of one company that uses more then 2 turbos
Actually 2
Kind of
main cosmos
Lot of them do
heady swift
in the market, single turbo is the most common as most turbocharged cars are simply economic consumer cars which utilise them for fuel efficiency rather than performance
main cosmos
Can i slap a bigger turbo on my foccus??
jagged sentinel
Lot of them do
Who
main cosmos
Current one is tiny
heady swift
Can i slap a bigger turbo on my foccus??
yeah you could, but unless it's the one from the ST I wouldn't advice on it
since turbo's do require stable engines
old sedge
Small turbocharged engines are really not that efficient. It's possible for a vehicle with 2.0L I4 turbocharged engine to have almost same or even worse fuel consumption than a vehicle with 3.0L V6 NA engine
heady swift
otherwise you'll suck in your insurance alongside cooled air
main cosmos
It's a 1.5L diesel 
jagged sentinel
Small turbocharged engines are really not that efficient. It's possible for a ve...
Because the turbo lol
main cosmos
Small turbocharged engines are really not that efficient. It's possible for a ve...
I do 5L/100km
heady swift
Small turbocharged engines are really not that efficient. It's possible for a ve...
Small turbocharged engines are the most efficient when it comes to diesel/gasoline non-hybrid engines. Most turbocharged engines are used for fuel-efficient cars rather than performance. Turbo's, if used correctly, can allow for greater fuel-efficiency in highways for instance.
But yeah, pipo's 1.6L turbocharged 500HP WRC engine isn't super fuel-efficient lmao
main cosmos
Yeah like never go over 2000rpm
jagged sentinel
Fuel economy is easier to regulate with a manual
heady swift
Yeah like never go over 2000rpm
then why would you want a bigger turbo?
heady swift
It's slow af
because you're shifting at 2k rpm lmao
old sedge
Car manufacturers test their turbocharged vehicles by deliberately setting their throttle in a way not to force the engine into a positive manifold pressure and nobody drives like that which can make them get same fuel consumption with larger NA engines with same output.
jagged sentinel
Car manufacturers test their turbocharged vehicles by deliberately setting their...
People do it with manuals
main cosmos
Around 2000rpm is the most efficient
jagged sentinel
It's how people with newer corvettes can get 30 mpg on highways
V4 mode and keeping RPMs low
heady swift
Around 2000rpm is the most efficient
turbo's require high RPM to activate. The more you push the more gas is released in the exhaust, which is used to spool the turbo. If you stick at low RPMs, you don't have enough gas (actual gas btw) for turbo activation
The bigger the turbo, the more force (thus exhaust gas) you need
heady swift
You can also buy a more expensive turbo which uses titanium, but why would anyone fit a titanium turbo in a 1.6L eco
main cosmos
And if it goes below 1500rpm im screwed
heady swift
In the city i usually shift around 2500rpm
I mean you can buy equip a new turbo, but I don't think your engine can endure a performance one and you'll kill your mileage
old sedge
The turbodiesel powered van I drove before somehow struggles to accelerate whenever it shifts to a higher gear then it will go fast when it reaches a certain rpm while going forward...
main cosmos
Saw some shops offering to boost hp from 75 to 100
Didn't dig deep into what they do tho
heady swift
Saw some shops offering to boost hp from 75 to 100
probably ECU tune
jagged sentinel
The turbodiesel powered van I drove before somehow struggles to accelerate whene...
Diesels get all their torque at low RPMs
old sedge
What's the difference between twin-scroll turbo and twin-turbo?
main cosmos
Turbos are complex