transportation

[uncut saddle]

So yea... not looking great for him

[vocal tide]

Unless Red Bull is much better on low fuel load

[twin fiber]

Bottas is amazing

[vocal tide]

2.3s pitstop for Bottas

that's so fast

[uncut saddle]

2.4 for Lewis

[vocal tide]

It's kinda inevitable

[uncut saddle]

[vocal tide]

Damn, Verstappen getting held up a treat

that's a lot of time away

This HAS to go to Hamilton's

[twin fiber]

Both Alpines has retired

.>

[vocal tide]

Rear wing issue

[uncut saddle]

Holy fuck this is tense

[vocal tide]

Super tense

oh, a s🅱️innala

spoil it away if it gets past

jesus this is so close

[uncut saddle]

Yo what

Verstappen got last minute DRS from Mick

That was massive

Absolutely massive

[vocal tide]

that's so much time gained

Mick MVP

[uncut saddle]

Double RB podium again

[vocal tide]

The backmarkers giveth and the backmarkers taketh it away

and meanwhile

[mint plank]

POG

[vocal tide]

McLaren only team to get 1-2

[mint plank]

MICK SAVED MAX'S ASS

[vocal tide]

This is so small margins

[mint plank]

[vocal tide]

Very intense race

[mint plank]

Amazing race

[vocal tide]

And battles on midfield to keep us entertained

Seeing the crowds

and the people Sky were interviewing

it feels so weird when all the Sky journalists and the team members with masks

but any member of public was maskless

[uncut saddle]

It never fails to amaze me how big of a human Shaquille O'neal is

[twin fiber]

Shaq came today?

[uncut saddle]

Shaq handed out the trophies @twin fiber

For some wild reason

[twin fiber]

Ahhhh no way..I missed it

[uncut saddle]

Mans rolled up in pure American class

[daring acorn]

dm me if you know about old bmw’s. i need someone to tell me the name of one

[proper elbow]

Just post it here

[daring acorn]

i cant post pics here

i lost my old discord account and my levels to post pics

[mint plank]

The BMW in your profile pic? @daring acorn

[daring acorn]

yeah @mint plank

[mint plank]

E30

[daring acorn]

ty

[main cosmos]

Today's race was hella boring

[halcyon kestrel]

Dad?

[vocal tide]

It was nerve-wrecking watching it live

[crude lodge]

Quick trivia, what car had pop ups for the longest?

[analog radish]

Corvette maybe?

[crude lodge]

Yep

1963 to 2004

C2 threw C5 generations

41 years

[analog radish]

[crude lodge]

Its mindblowing tbh

My favorite pop ups though, gotta give that to the 928

[dry elm]

whoever ghost pinged me, I hope your whole family has a nice christmas

[crude lodge]

Quick trivia, what Porsche is that?

[analog radish]

looks like the 911 desert flyer

[elfin quest]

BMX

[sage roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/685936740917313575/902166801453035600/IMG_6721.png

[old sedge]

Shaq has become a race car driver?

Finally, after the price increase in Toyota, my mom agreed to buy a Ford instead

[kind osprey]

Why you you convince someone to buy a Ford over a Toyota?

[jagged sentinel]

Should have got the Toyota

[sage roost]

Should have got the car that could last multiple years with very little maintenance

[old sedge]

Oh my... After my dad talked to my mom about it, they don't trust me when it comes to buying a car. I wonder what did I do wrong...

[jagged sentinel]

Nothing; I'd say that's perfectly normal

[honest shale]

i drive a little tikes cozy coupe

[main cosmos]

[ashen carbon]

"Buy a Ford instead of Toyota"

Yeah, I'd question your opinion too.

[sage roost]

But Toyota cheap and bad!!!!!!!

[kind osprey]

Cheap, yea I agree their lower trims aren’t the definition of creature comfort. But bad isn’t how I’d describe it.

They are mainly there to be good, reliable, a to b transportation and the higher trim suvs can see more luxury than a surprising amount of other brands

[sage roost]

Ye

Speaking as someone who owns an 08 FJ cruiser

In the last 13 years we only took it for maintenance once

[jagged sentinel]

Ford's trucks are decent

Those are the only Ford products I'd even think about getting

I'd still get a Chevy or Chrysler Product over it

But that's not to say F150s are bad, they're the second most sold car in the world (iirc) for a reason

[sage roost]

But other ford products… not so much

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah...

[sage roost]

The only car from ford that I could even think about getting is the fiesta ST

Not for reliability, but for a fun compact hatchback

there’s still better options anyway

[heady swift]

I mean...

Gr yaris

[hybrid charm]

GR Yaris is kinda goated

the fact it does all of that on a 3cyl engine

[old sedge]

That 3cyl engine is still powerful, I guess

And if only there's an FJ Cruiser with more fuel efficient engine, either diesel or i4 turbocharged petrol engine with a displacement of like 2.0 or more.

I would love to have it if it's not a gas guzzler

[hybrid charm]

the new FJ cruiser is so underrated

[old sedge]

The new Corvette is good. Is it better than the Nissan GT-R and Honda NSX?

[jagged sentinel]

Which trim

[old sedge]

For Nissan GT-R, the Nismo one I guess and I think we only have one trim for Honda NSX

[jagged sentinel]

I reckon both of those would dust the C8 stingray

Actually

[old sedge]

Would the Toyota Supra GR have a chance against Nissan GT-R?

[jagged sentinel]

The C8 was 6 seconds or so faster then the Acura NSX round That One German Track™

C8 stingray did a 7:29 and the NSX did a 7:36

[old sedge]

I think what made the Toyota Supra GR expensive is its BMW engine and chassis and BMW is expensive.

[jagged sentinel]

Not the fastest Corvette around that track but

[jagged sentinel]

It's expensive because it's a nice car

[old sedge]

Oh wow

[old sedge]

It's a nice car but the BMW engine and chassis raised the price even more

[jagged sentinel]

Mhm

[old sedge]

If it's purely made by Toyota, it would be cheaper

[jagged sentinel]

The C8 isn't even the fastest Corvette out there

The C7 Corvette ZR1 lapped the ring in 7:04

Unofficial time mind you

[old sedge]

Oh wow

And I'm still sad that the Viper got discontinued

I like it more than Corvette

[jagged sentinel]

Viper is cool

I don't understand how people think it's a muscle car though

[old sedge]

This is gonna be expensive as hell
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38044152/2023-chevrolet-corvette-z06-revealed/

[jagged sentinel]

We shall see

The C7 ZR1 started at 120,000 USD

[old sedge]

Will this defeat a Lambo Veneno and Bugatti Chiron?

[old sedge]

It will be even more expensive here in Ph

[jagged sentinel]

I can't find a laptime for the Chiron anywhere

Same with the Veneno actually

[old sedge]

A 2021 Chevrolet Corvette here costs $168,385.59

[jagged sentinel]

Damn

[old sedge]

Is this C7 ZR1?
https://www.zigwheels.ph/new-cars/chevrolet/corvette#:~:text=Chevrolet Corvette 2021 is a,W x 1240 mm H.

[jagged sentinel]

I'm not sure how the C8 Z06 will do against those cars you mentioned tbh

mostly because I can't find a laptime for them

This is a C7 ZR1

[old sedge]

Oh

[old sedge]

Then what Corvette is this?

[jagged sentinel]

The C7

[old sedge]

C7 ZR1 is like a better version of C7?

[jagged sentinel]

ZR1 is a trim package, yes

[old sedge]

Oh

[jagged sentinel]

"C7" is just the generation

[old sedge]

See? That isn't even ZR1 yet its price here is 168,385.59USD

[jagged sentinel]

It's the same as saying "seventh generation Corvette"

They only made the C7 ZR1 for like 2 years

[old sedge]

Oh

[jagged sentinel]

750 horsepower, supercharged 6.2L LT5 V8

[old sedge]

https://www.zigwheels.ph/new-cars/mercedes-benz/amg-gt
This is cool too, it costs 175,635.61USD here.

[jagged sentinel]

I like the SLS more

I'll never own any of these cars but

[old sedge]

A Civic Type R with RWD or AWD drivetrain would be perfect

[jagged sentinel]

I'd prefer a charger R/T

[old sedge]

I still want to have at least 1 supercar even though my parents told me that once I reach my dream job with high salary, I should be fine with BMW, MB, Mini and so on and they said I don't need the supercars like a Lambo or Ferrari supercar

[jagged sentinel]

Of course they'd say that

My dad says I don't need a V8 car

And he'd be right

[old sedge]

A naturally aspirated V6 or V8 is still more reliable than I4 turbocharged for businesses which involve hauling full loads or cargo after all

[jagged sentinel]

That's debatable

You do know a fair amount of diesel engines are turbocharged right

[old sedge]

Yeah

Although it was said that a smaller engine would have more stress

Since engines are really getting smaller now

And for fuel efficiency, most people fail to get the advertised fuel efficiency because almost nobody drives in a way that the boost manifold won't go into positive

[jagged sentinel]

They always advertise the best possible outcome

And gas mileage is much harder to manage in automatics

[old sedge]

In test drives for fuel mileage, the manufacturers deliberately set the throttle in a manner not to make the turbo's boost manifold go positive

Which is why they could get that great fuel mileage

[jagged sentinel]

Yes, they kept it in low RPMs so the turbo didn't spin up

Which is much harder to do in an automatic

[old sedge]

And I think nobody really drives like that in their normal everyday lives

Or maybe handful or niche numbers of drivers do that

[jagged sentinel]

It's easy to do in a V8

American one anyway

[old sedge]

One mid-size SUV here even has 1.9 turbodiesel engine

[jagged sentinel]

That's microscopic by American standards

[old sedge]

And Ford Ranger Raptor's engine is 2.0 biturbocharged engine. Engines are really getting smaller

With Ford Ranger, there are 2 boosts, during low rpm and high rpm because it has 1 small turbo and 1 big turbo

That's their way of minimizing turbolag but there is still turbo lag

[hybrid charm]

wow they stopped shoving v8s into boats

[old sedge]

Imagine a Dodge Ram, Toyota Tundra and Ford E550 van with engines like 1.8L or 2.0L or even 1.6L I4 twin-turbocharged engines

[hybrid charm]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-ship-before-icebreaker-the-titanic-gif-22116598

[jagged sentinel]

Wouldn't even move

[old sedge]

Even with high hp and torque?

[jagged sentinel]

They would, I was being hyperbolic

[hybrid charm]

^ every american car from the 70s-80s

[jagged sentinel]

60s-70s more like

[old sedge]

I mean, even with high hp and torque, would still be bad, right?

[jagged sentinel]

Everything in the 80s got smaller

[jagged sentinel]

High engine load

[blissful lagoon]

Instead if actually fixing my fucking shitbox

I did something dumb

[jagged sentinel]

[blissful lagoon]

I should add another

i should get it running😩

[crude lodge]

Bad news

[analog radish]

wat

[crude lodge]

The dacia sandero has been delayed

[analog radish]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[crude lodge]

Can you guys name this car?

[analog radish]

those nostrils are familiar

[crude lodge]

I'll just wait for an answer :)

[analog radish]

a mclaren?

[crude lodge]

Nope

[analog radish]

675lt?

hm ok

aventador svj?

[crude lodge]

Close, but not a Lamborghini

[analog radish]

E

[crude lodge]

Any more ideas?

[analog radish]

no i gotta think

wait

is that a dbs superleggera

[crude lodge]

Colder

[analog radish]

db11?

[crude lodge]

Colder

[analog radish]

what does colder mean here

[crude lodge]

Further away

The Lamborghini was close

[analog radish]

hm ok

like the model or

the brand

[crude lodge]

Country

[analog radish]

hm ok

pagani?

theres too many of them

[crude lodge]

Italy was close

[analog radish]

ferrari

[crude lodge]

Remember I mentioned Lamborghini was close but Italy was the wrong county?

[analog radish]

i give up

[crude lodge]

Last hint

France

[analog radish]

divo

[crude lodge]

Yes

[hybrid charm]

ferrari

seems like one

[hybrid charm]

a-

[crude lodge]

You're a bit late

[hybrid charm]

omg

[kind osprey]

new range rove

[crude lodge]

https://youtu.be/lcdAVEPm07M

[sage roost]

It’s not growing on me

[jagged sentinel]

My Verdict: Just get a Grand Cherokee lol

Or a wagoneer

[winter reef]

I saw a clip of the Merc EQS interior and good god imagine spending so much on a tablet interior with a refresh rate of 10hz lmao

New Merc interiors are just ugly

[jagged sentinel]

10Hz? What?

[winter reef]

The interface on those things lag a lot

[jagged sentinel]

I think my dad's 2013 ram has a better refresh rate then that bruh

[winter reef]

Exactly

New mercs also have squeaky cheap plastic

It aint looking that good for euro cars

[jagged sentinel]

So... Like my dad's 2013 ram 1500?

Which has an excuse to have a squeaky interior

Mercades does not

[winter reef]

This

[jagged sentinel]

No offense to you or anything

But I really do hope this is misinformation

Benz's shouldn't have squeaky interiors

[analog radish]

Base model C class called

[kind osprey]

“Saw a clip” isn’t enough

That’s a $100,000 car it could just be slander or a bad camera doing the refresh shit

Also check the videos date, these cars are brand new and every first year model has slight issues

[jagged sentinel]

Digital cameras taking videos of other digital screens always turns out weird anyway

[old sedge]

I don't really trust Range Rover, I would pick a Toyota LC instead

[jagged sentinel]

I'd say a fair amount of people would

Especially given Land Rover's recent quality control issues

[old sedge]

The LC has long history of being off-roaders' favorite off-road vehicle

[jagged sentinel]

Depends on the sort of off-road

[old sedge]

For off-roading, I would say Wrangler and even a Suzuki Jimny can be good.

I read from top gear that off-roading instructors tell them stories about Suzuki Jimnys outperforming larger off-road vehicles

[jagged sentinel]

I'd probably pick a TRX or Raptor

[old sedge]

In off-roading, lighter is better, right?

[jagged sentinel]

Makes less of a difference then most people think

I mean a tank probably isn't going to be as agile as a pick-up truck but

[winter reef]

as long as it ain't a Land rover you're good to go bruv

[jagged sentinel]

[winter reef]

seriously even a wrangler is good for that job

[jagged sentinel]

Wranglers are built for it from the factory

Some of them at least

[winter reef]

gotta get the version with the big suspensions and huge wheels

[jagged sentinel]

Bouldering especially

[winter reef]

or just wait for the hummer ev

good god i missed the hummer

[jagged sentinel]

We shall see if that is any good

[winter reef]

nothing will top the H1 though

that thing was so huge, peak 2000's culture

[jagged sentinel]

Somehow, the H1 isn't the biggest off-road truck on the road anymore

[winter reef]

oh?

[jagged sentinel]

TRX is 2 inches wider then an H1 and 50 inches longer

That doesn't seem quite right

But everywhere on the internet says so

[winter reef]

nothing screams america fuck yeah than a TRX speeding towards you ready to make you a poster against the wall then brand you with that huge RAM grille

[jagged sentinel]

That thing is so badass

It also has character

[winter reef]

im not familiar with american cars but yeah it surely does

i mean just take an H1 in London and run over all those mini coopers

hell you cant even fit through some passageways with that thing

[jagged sentinel]

The engine cover has an engraving of a T-Rex eating a Raptor

A similar image is in the interior somewhere I can't exactly remember

[winter reef]

my favorite thing about the H1 besides being huge is that it separates the interior in half

i know it's mostly by design since the original humvee had a removable cover where you could work on the engine from inside the vehicle

[jagged sentinel]

Another cool thing about the TRX

[winter reef]

https://external-preview.redd.it/akzq1YBjkDs4xyLiyO3gQZPUvpiLzDHTP2FH9PMSpok.jpg?auto=webp&s=acb88699e574dd368b0493af1fe3b02101849adc

[jagged sentinel]

In addition to English, there is another language used on the Medkit

"Why is this significant" you might ask

Because the other language it uses

[winter reef]

what, spanish?

[jagged sentinel]

Is Arabic iirc

Like they know who their main buyers are going to be

[winter reef]

nothing is gonna top the toyota hilux in the middle east 😂

[kind osprey]

It was like that because you were basically sharing the entire cabin with the trans

Good for ground clearance but horrible for everything else

It made the h1 have a fairly high center of gravity so they can be prone to flip

It is a very wacky interior though I’m glad it exists

[jagged sentinel]

Thanks Arnold

[blissful lagoon]

I never realized how expensive it is to ship a car jesus

[restive phoenix]

Guys I just flushed the meanest most biggest most corn full most liquid shit I have ever taken the sheer girth my asshole is on fire and blood is dripping into the toilet there so much I fear the toilet will over flow with shit

[glad gazelle]

Omg did u at least take a dip in it

[winter reef]

Predictions for what car brand is going to most likely die this decade

I'd say Alfa Romeo

Or Jaguar

[kind osprey]

Alfa’s fine, Jaguar has Range Rover to hold hands with.

Before they got their shit together I would say Infiniti

But they are doing decent now

[ocean rock]

Nissan

[kind osprey]

I’d smash

[winter reef]

Is it true that Renault ruined Nissan

I mean Renault kinda saved some stuff

I.E. Dacia which my dad has a Logan MCV and it still runs after 14 years, reliable af

[heady swift]

no, the renault deal was actually quite fruitful for nissan

ghosn himself pursued massive market expansion

but the quality of the cars dropped, the contact with dealerships was minimal and there was very little innovation over the past 10 years

it's very nissan to offer the same exact consumer car for ten years

while vw or toyota update their models biyearly and offer entire new generations every 4 years

there's a big market for upper middle class people as it's generally the most cost-efficient to buy a new car every four years, while selling/trading in your current car

it's not attractive to buy a new nissan, which has the same technology as the car you sold before you bought the car you're currently selling

after the ghosn scandal, nissan is pushing a new direction where their cars are greener, of better quality and offer better technology

mitsubishi shared the same downfall, but hit rock-bottom

[brittle drum]

@winter reef wait, are you romanian?

[winter reef]

Yeah lol

[autumn nebula]

[kind osprey]

Does anyone remember this concept

I haven't seen this thing in a decade and it was one of the only Hummer objects that I actually liked

besides the almighty h1 of course

[jagged sentinel]

@kind osprey it's in The Crew 2

Annoying to get though

Le funny HX concept

[sage roost]

That looks miles better than the hummer EV or whatever it’s called

[main cosmos]

Two seater

[winter reef]

lmao you sure

the front reminds me of the Jeep Cherokee and that ain't a good reminder

[jagged sentinel]

What Cherokee lol

[winter reef]

when i see vertical slits on a grille i instantly think of jeep

especially how they done that concept

they should just stick with the H1

[jagged sentinel]

Uhm

They stopped making the H1 like a decade ago

IDK if you know this

They stopped making the H2 years ago as well

[winter reef]

i know lmao

but just as a general advice

well, blame the recession and the oil wars lmao

[jagged sentinel]

This is a 21 Cherokee

Doesn't really look a whole lot like the HX concept

[winter reef]

i dont automatically mean the newest version

[jagged sentinel]

Would you care to specify which Cherokee then

[winter reef]

2014 or so

like i said only the vertical grill slits just remind me of it

[main cosmos]

Jeep

[winter reef]

is jeep really as bad as land rover

[jagged sentinel]

Doesn't look a whole lot different to the 21

[winter reef]

ok i got no point jeez you got me

[ocean rock]

Blame GM being shithousery in managing financial risks

Even now theyre bad at it

Buick is still horseshit, chevy car at the low to mid end is just weird mishmash of 2010 refreshes and bad 2018 facelifts

[winter reef]

honestly i never knew about buick

but i doubt they always made suv's

[jagged sentinel]

Buick has always been a boring company

[winter reef]

what's their gimmick though

every company kinda has their gimmicks in a way or another

[jagged sentinel]

Nobody knows about Buicks

That's their gimmick, according to Buick's ads

[winter reef]

lmao

[ocean rock]

Which is just deeply weird

And their lineup is just reskinned cruz and suburban redesign with plushier inside

[winter reef]

i mean i guess that's the reason GM was never popular in europe and asia (good thing cause most of their stuff sucks anyways)

[ocean rock]

You can do that or just ya know, buy a lexus

[jagged sentinel]

It's because they didn't really do very much over there for the most part

[winter reef]

unironically the pontiac aztek was a good car, one of the last cars with personality

[jagged sentinel]

But it looked ridiculous

[winter reef]

would you really take a boring buick suv over it though?

at least these days if people saw you riding in one of these they'd think of walter white from breaking bad

[ocean rock]

thats literally the only appeal imo

The thing was just, odd.

Its like asking a dune buggy builder whats their dream SUV

In that case they nailed it but in everything else

Its just weird mashups. Again.

[winter reef]

i just want a SAAB comeback

i mean they were right

and yes you could say Volvo is SAAB nowadays but I just wish they'd make a budget division or something, because Im sure you can make great and practical swedish cars without making it full luxury

[jagged sentinel]

When did I say that

[winter reef]

nope, but just as a comparison of what GM does these days over the weird 2000's

looking back on the tech and aesthetic of the 2000's with a 2010's perspective we all admited it was cringe but now i kinda miss all those round and futuristic looking pieces of tech, including stuff like the Aztek

[jagged sentinel]

They've diversified their SUV offerings but other then that all of their main names are still around

Minus the Impala

[winter reef]

honestly at this point im absolutely sick of SUVs

[jagged sentinel]

I'd reckon a fair amount of people are

[winter reef]

I mean our new family car is going to be a SUV but hey that's the best offer we can get

it still wont be as big as our wagon 😢

[jagged sentinel]

I'd pick a truck any day if the year over an SUV

[winter reef]

yup same

although i'd look kinda lame in it

depends what kinda truck though

[jagged sentinel]

Then just get whatever you think you'll "look good in"

[winter reef]

just kidding it's all about what you love driving

but the redneck stereotype made me stay away from pickup trucks but then i remember i live in europe

most people who drive pickup trucks here as respectable farmers and businesses

[jagged sentinel]

Redneck stereotype isn't that big in america

Trucks can be just as comfortable as SUVs, while having more space for cargo and more ground clearance

[winter reef]

the sweet middle spot between suv and trucks is probably toyota land cruiser

[jagged sentinel]

That's just a big SUV

[winter reef]

not really imo

[jagged sentinel]

Hell the Escalade is bigger then the Land Cruiser and that's considered an SUV

[winter reef]

i consider it like the japanese hummer in a way

[winter reef]

i mean it's reliable, big, works for off road, comfy for the passengers

plus it doesnt have to be THAT big

i remember seeing some pretty spacious LC's

[jagged sentinel]

The land cruiser is considered an SUV by seemingly all journalists

[winter reef]

i don't get what's so sporty about it tho lmao

[jagged sentinel]

And Wikipedia

The Escalade isn't sporty at all and that's considered an SUV so

[winter reef]

well that's a fucked up term then

[jagged sentinel]

The term has become muddied as of late

[winter reef]

https://productimages.hepsiburada.net/s/7/375/9751973724210.jpg

this is our dacia btw

like damn the space is huge on the back

without the back seats

i think LC is just like this but bigger ground clearance

[sage roost]

The land cruiser sure is bigger than you think

[jagged sentinel]

I'd just get a truck over something like this tbh

[sage roost]

Of course you would will

[jagged sentinel]

Bitch I've been riding in trucks since I was born

[sage roost]

That’s my point

[jagged sentinel]

I fucking drive a truck as a daily

I will freely admit I'm biased towards them as opposed to something like a Yukon or Expedition or Toyota LC

[winter reef]

at least we can all agree it's not a god damn land rover

[jagged sentinel]

I mean it has a Toyota badge on it so... /s

[winter reef]

lmao

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2021/05/2021-land-rover-range-rover-exterior-01.jpg?fit=around|875:492.1875

why do people praise this again

it looks disgustingly bland

https://carsguide-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy,q_auto,t_cg_hero_large/v1/editorial/2022-Range-Rover-1001x565 (1).jpg

[jagged sentinel]

Isn't it a luxury brand

[winter reef]

yeah

[jagged sentinel]

Probably why

[winter reef]

the problem with being a luxury brand is that most of them are actually reliable

[jagged sentinel]

Old land rovers were tough

New ones...

[winter reef]

Yeah old indeed

[sage roost]

This was peak Land Rover

[jagged sentinel]

This specific car looks like it was assembled in a sweat shop to me

It just looks poorly made for some reason

I know they have a reputation for being much to the contrary of that but

[winter reef]

what year is it

deffo 90's

looks like a first gen golf on steroids ngl

[sage roost]

Hey at least it doesn’t break down every 2 weeks

Unless…

[winter reef]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Volkswagen_Golf_1-2_(cropped).jpg/1200px-Volkswagen_Golf_1-2_(cropped).jpg

no difference whatsoever besides being more elevated and being slightly longer

[blissful lagoon]

I need a honest opinion

but im moving and can't take my car for some time

Im looking

[jagged sentinel]

That's funny

[blissful lagoon]

and i kinda wanna ditch my old car

for a better condition one

or a c3

[winter reef]

what car did you have?

[jagged sentinel]

There's a couple more differences then height and length

[blissful lagoon]

NA miata

Absolute fucking shitter tho

[winter reef]

right, the steering wheel being on the wrong side

[jagged sentinel]

Uhm

Side mirror location, hood scoop-looking thing, indicator light location

[winter reef]

wait you actually managed with a 2 seater daily driver?

[blissful lagoon]

It never ran

so no

[jagged sentinel]

Not everyone tows 7,000 pounds of oil a day in america /s

[winter reef]

well, what kinda budget you got

also what you're looking for

[blissful lagoon]

Im looking for a 2 seater

i don't need a 4 seater

we got a van for that

[jagged sentinel]

Grub you're in the US right

[blissful lagoon]

yes

[winter reef]

you're lucky af then

[blissful lagoon]

kinda want a c3 ngl

[jagged sentinel]

C3 Vette?

[blissful lagoon]

Moving to maine tho

yes

[winter reef]

what's a c3 again? citroen?

oh

right

lmao

https://www.citroen.ro/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/V3DImage-1-1024x576.jpeg

there's also this C3

just as a fun fact

[blissful lagoon]

Maine has a odd abundance of old cool cars

[winter reef]

i guess you can just get a new miata or a honda s2000

[blissful lagoon]

Id buy a NC ngl

actually affordable with the wages in maine

[winter reef]

what's the difference between nc and na

[blissful lagoon]

ones newer

NA is 89-96

nc is 06-16?

[jagged sentinel]

I'm a new driver, so insurance for everything cool is pricey

[winter reef]

ah i see

[blissful lagoon]

Parents got insurance covered which is cool
Family plan 👍

Parent'

[jagged sentinel]

Only thing with a V8 where the insurance is in my parent's chosen budget is a truck because insurance doesn't give a shit about pickup trucks

[winter reef]

by the way as a 2 seater, does the roof matter or no

[blissful lagoon]

No

[winter reef]

for you i mean

[blissful lagoon]

a bit

but no

[winter reef]

take a look at honda prelude, i know it aint exactly a 2 seater but it's lovely

[blissful lagoon]

Winter will be the only issue, i still wouldn't care tho

[jagged sentinel]

A 2007 Charger R/T costs 200$ more per month then my 03 F150

[blissful lagoon]

👀

I mean

[jagged sentinel]

My parents don't want to pay that

[blissful lagoon]

i could buy a mint mg or any classic roadster like that for some reason

[jagged sentinel]

As the car gets older insurance gets cheaper

[blissful lagoon]

People usually store them constantly

[winter reef]

my first car is deffo gonna be a 2008 honda civic, i aint looking for much

[blissful lagoon]

Current shitter

first car to

technically first car

[jagged sentinel]

But the reason they're looking for a car is that I might be going away for college, and they want

1. A more reliable car then my F150
2. Also want that car to be safe in a crash, which older cars generally aren't

[winter reef]

absolutely cute

[blissful lagoon]

i also had/have a sonoma i drove

till the 4L60 went out

😂

[winter reef]

by the way i heard honda is considering a 2024 sucessor to the s2000

how neat is that

[blissful lagoon]

Pretty neat

[winter reef]

and of course, with their stupidly overpowered vtec engines

[blissful lagoon]

Ngl a dodge magnum was also a choice

But i dunno

[jagged sentinel]

Don't the new civics not have VTEC

[blissful lagoon]

I just want something fun tbph

lol

[jagged sentinel]

I want something with a V8

[blissful lagoon]

This

Is clean

[jagged sentinel]

I was suggested something Japanese with a smaller engine and turbod, so it'd be fast enough

But they don't have near the same rumble as a V8

Which just can't be beat

[blissful lagoon]

Or i could get this😂

[jagged sentinel]

Make it a ute

[blissful lagoon]

Already has the bed

So

[jagged sentinel]

Miles are low

Ish

[blissful lagoon]

Yea

it was used to transport stuff for a flower business in maine

obviously

Oh and someone for some reason has a challenger convertible?

[jagged sentinel]

Me and the father looked at an 05 Silverado on Saturday

[jagged sentinel]

Doesn't look bad tbh

[blissful lagoon]

It aint bad

They got it done in Florida

[jagged sentinel]

65,000 though

[blissful lagoon]

Yea

[jagged sentinel]

You could get a really nice Challenger/Camaro/mustang for that

[blissful lagoon]

Tbh i think if i save up til summer i could probably get a better chance at buying a miata

since everyone is starting to store them rn

[jagged sentinel]

We were thinking about buying a V6 Magnum/Charger and swapping a 6.1

Insurance isn't gonna care since they only look at VIN

They'll still price it as if it's a V6

[blissful lagoon]

They do👀

I got a idea

[jagged sentinel]

I believe we have blue cross insurance

[blissful lagoon]

i don't remember what we use

how does car buying season go exactly

[jagged sentinel]

Had a 5.3 Vortec V8 with 30K miles, sounded awesome

[blissful lagoon]

Spring and summer is when the cool stuff comes out and fall and winter is when the trucks n shit come out?

[jagged sentinel]

Also had a leveling kit and some of those giant black-and-chrome wheels that stick out like mad and different lights and all that

[blissful lagoon]

Oh those spacer kits?

[jagged sentinel]

No

[blissful lagoon]

Or just the wheels?

[jagged sentinel]

The wheels were huge

[blissful lagoon]

OH

[jagged sentinel]

It wasn't a monster truck

[blissful lagoon]

Man i really hope some dumbass crack head buys this rv

I could use the 7500$

[kind osprey]

That looks well done, my only worry would be the rigidity

But it gives it that cool vintage vibe when they actually made these

[blissful lagoon]

Yea

I'll probably look into the company that made it

im pretty sure they fix the rigidity issue somehow

[heady swift]

hopefully they strengthened the chassis to cope with the structural differences

not having a roof, whether targa or actual coupe, is detrimental to stability

especially in a rear wear drive car with a heavy V8 and a lot of torque

[blissful lagoon]

I hope they did

Droptopcustoms is who does it

[boreal oak]

Considering buying

What I have rn

did some cleaning

old pic

But

[jagged sentinel]

What you're considering:
Working, driving cars
What you have:
Essentially a paperweight that looks a lot like an old escort, no offense

God that sounded bad lmao

I like that pickup truck tho if you could call it that

Sorry

[dusk knoll]

my dad tryna buy this rn

Toyota supra mk1

not this exact one

in the pic

but id rather buy this instead

found in the chat

[blissful lagoon]

Yea

[ocean rock]

Mk3 better imo

[dusk knoll]

maybe

mk3

looks pretty cool

but my dad really likes the mk1

[winged rivet]

im looking at Audi A3s
cool little car

the Lancer Sportback 👀

[languid pasture]

Love me some YF-23

[winter reef]

gotta love how exotic audi is considered in america but once you go in europe you'll be sick to your stomach of seeing it

[jagged sentinel]

Damn shame to see this rotting away

[winter reef]

i feel you

sometimes i just wanna steal that damn car and have a better future in my hands than whatever the hell the owner is doing

[winged rivet]

Can someone identify this Car for me?

[heady swift]

scirocco

but it's a body kit

[winged rivet]

its fucking dope

[restive junco]

is that another entry on the list of cool shit we dont get in the us

[winged rivet]

yep

[hallow niche]

!ran

Oops

Hi btw

[winter reef]

damn since when VW has done motorsports without the Audi branding

[ocean rock]

damn you forgot the entire Syncro era?

[winter reef]

never knew of it tbf

[ocean rock]

they have a very short WRC outing with the older R32 Golf chassis

and also Hill climb

[winter reef]

damn already found a scirocco for like 8k

yup those are cheap as shit

[winter reef]

bros.....will EV's ever get cheap?

[jagged sentinel]

Probably

[winter reef]

But I will literally be too old by then

let alone hydrogen which will probably be a proper thing in like 50 years

if that idea doesnt die

[delicate grotto]

that's a really good choice but he's better off waiting for a C6 if he wants the comfort

I'm planning on buying a C6 because it's the perfect luxury car of it's time

[winter reef]

you know what's a name i havent heard in a long time

peugeot

[winter reef]

that's nice

i cant wait for our new car

Dacia Duster with the best config

It's affordable as hell and quite good

was even ranked 9/10 on Top Gear

plus very reliable

[ashen carbon]

It probably will, considering EV has a massive headstart in infrastructure.

[obsidian pasture]

Dacia - Renault same thing different symbol

the difference is that Dacia doesn't come with more shiny details and stuff but the engine and transmission is the same thing

only cheaper

sometimes

[winter reef]

I mean I know it's the same thing

but damn is it good, I just wish there were more options

They even considered a coupe one time

and the best thing is that here in it's motherland you can service it anywhere

you can go to someone and ask for a part and they have it in 20 colours

[obsidian pasture]

ye I know in portugal we have dacias that look more like a jeep than an actual dacia

but since it is a ''cheap brand'' of renault they don't do much

or like we say ''a more affordable Renault''

[winter reef]

wait what, jeeps?

you probably got the pre renault stuff

[obsidian pasture]

idk if it is the new Jeep Renegade that

that the Dacia looks like it, at least the rear view like the taillights

[winter reef]

https://static.automarket.ro/img/auto_resized/db/article/084/835/722852l-1000x640-b-4d8ed22e.jpg

Ahhhh

the duster stop lights

yeah they are are similar

The new 2021 model which we will get has new stoplights

The Y shaped stop lights are much better

[heady swift]

very long time

they were huge in rally

then dieselgate happened

so vw, porsche and audi pulled out of most sports

VW is currently back in R5

and both audi and porsche will return to le mans

[obsidian pasture]

yep

[winter reef]

yeah i only thought of audi when it came to vw's motorsports

[kind osprey]

Volkswagen has the ID-R which is really cool

Also yea a really cheap ev is probably something available maybe 10-15 years from now at most

Batteries and energy density get better and cheaper by the year

[jagged sentinel]

Hasn't battery density cost dropped by like 90% over the last 10 years

[kind osprey]

Yep

[jagged sentinel]

I don't imagine that percentage drop will taper off anytime soon either

[winter reef]

Car manufacturers have to understand not everyone wants or expects luxurious interiors as a standard

[kind osprey]

2010 to now has been an insane leap

[jagged sentinel]

We still haven't mastered batteries yet

[kind osprey]

Yea that’s surprisingly how it is now. Back then most cars were made like dogshit unless you got a rolls royce, Bentley, or an s class

[jagged sentinel]

I don't even think we've mastered ICEs yet either

We've came close on some occasions

[winter reef]

I dont mind all plastic interiors with mesh seats

[kind osprey]

Cars fill single purposes but now they try to be sporty, luxurious, and practical all in one

[winter reef]

I grew up in those it ain't that bad

[jagged sentinel]

Apart from backup cameras

[kind osprey]

No one new to driving will know have to use a mirror to park

Parking sucks ass

[jagged sentinel]

I hate parking trucks

[winter reef]

How come Mazda is so cheap and great

[jagged sentinel]

I hate pulling out of parking spots in trucks too because of the bed sticking out behind the wheels so I have to take a really wide turn so I don't peel the bumper off the car next to me

[winter reef]

Like Toyota is cool and all but damn is it expensive

[kind osprey]

It isn’t just the bad quality and mediocre looks anymore, cars today need to be much safer and filled with a ton of stuff like sensors and active items

The shitboxes of the 90’s and early 2000’s all look really nice

[jagged sentinel]

Eh, they're average priced

[kind osprey]

The Sonata, accord, Camry

[winter reef]

For me expensive means over 20k euros

[kind osprey]

They look decent and have good quality for the most part

[jagged sentinel]

So... Most cars?

[winter reef]

You'd be surprised how many good stuff under 20k you find SH

[kind osprey]

If you want cheap, just save yourself the hassle and give the environment a hug and get something a few years old

[jagged sentinel]

Meanwhile my neighbor almost paid like 85,000 for an F250 Tremor

Or was it 75,000

[winter reef]

Jeez

[kind osprey]

Even if I could afford a new car here I’d still probably get something a few years old that got eaten by the majority of its depreciation

[winter reef]

I mean I can always use monthly pay for cars over 20k but damn 4+ years sounds dreadful

[jagged sentinel]

To be honest I'd probably just buy a 2021 vehicle down the line when I can actually afford a nice-ish car

Maybe like a Ram 1500 big horn or Rebel

[kind osprey]

Like an Audi rs6 or a bmw m5 that went for over $100,000 in 2017 can be bought for a little more than half that today

If you can find a good warranty on these it’s the best bargain ever

Maseratis are the king of being ass so they are worth pennies compared to their stick price when they were new

They drive nice and are fun but they are shit quality fir what was $80,000 at one point

Buttt

For $29k

Not bad

[heady swift]

still bad

maintenance and insurance is very expensive

[winter reef]

i found a 13k maserati quatroporte from 2005

[kind osprey]

Nah nothing before 2010

[winter reef]

damn why do maseratis deppreciate so badly

[kind osprey]

That’s a nightmare

[jagged sentinel]

Because they're shit

[heady swift]

if you can't afford the initial 100K price tag of a maserati, you cannot to maintain a 20K one

[kind osprey]

As stated, they suck ass

[jagged sentinel]

A Dodge fucking charger has the same build quality as a quatroporte

A Dodge.

[winter reef]

https://ireland.apollo.olxcdn.com/v1/files/eyJmbiI6IjJ1djVjenc2bnUxMzItQVVUT1ZJVFJPIiwidyI6W3siZm4iOiJxN216NTNiaWZwemstQVVUT1ZJVFJPIiwicyI6IjE2IiwicCI6IjEwLC0xMCIsImEiOiIwIn1dfQ.awLBNSioAPh_x8u9dQ4GtbFSaO6pMpKvfd0y3d-d1os/image;s=1080x720

id get it just for this

[jagged sentinel]

Is that a phone

[heady swift]

they're built with shit, break very often and lack any modern tech, the 190K gran turismo had a full analogue until 2016

[kind osprey]

They are both Chrysler products after all

Lmao

[heady swift]

it's an inferior aston martin in every way, aside from sound and looks

they still use the 20 year old engine from ferrari

[jagged sentinel]

Well, both of those are subjective

[kind osprey]

Astons depreciated nicely also

$30,000 for a v8 vantage

[jagged sentinel]

Also doesn't the Gran Turismo have a 4.7 V8

[heady swift]

the quality and performance is awful, when compared to aston, which also have maintenance issues

[kind osprey]

Some subject live things in life are closer to objectively being agreed on than others

Maseratis sucking and being overpriced is as objectively subjective as they come

The only thing they are good at is looking good

And impressing the high school student at the McDonald’s drive thru

[jagged sentinel]

Who'd probably say "damn nice Ferrari" anyway, invalidating your presence

[kind osprey]

Anyone buying a brand new Maserati could get a specced out 5 series with double the goodies and more interior space

[heady swift]

or a bentley

[kind osprey]

Bentley’s are great but they are in a different league than bmw

[heady swift]

which also depreciate fast, but don't have exploding engines and plastic parts

[jagged sentinel]

Or a really slick Audi
Or Merc
Or Porsche

[heady swift]

the only reason why maserati exists is because fiat still dumps money in them, they still need a brand to compete against bentley and aston in terms of GTs

[kind osprey]

An old Bentley continental gt from say 2007 looks practically new intil you are inside the vehicle and notice the early 2000’s stained wood trims lmao

[heady swift]

the brand is iconic

[kind osprey]

Was iconic 😔

[jagged sentinel]

Or buy American and get the same build quality, more electronic stuff, and more power for less money

[heady swift]

still is for people who don't know the company

they just see an expensive italian brand with fancy leather seats and a loud engine

[kind osprey]

The gran turismo is decent at best but it is miles ahead of whatever shit they try to pull for those lack lister sedans

Fancy leather that probably came out of china and goes in Chrysler 300’s

[jagged sentinel]

It's the closest the Italians got to a pony car

[kind osprey]

Idk if there’s much fancy in there

[jagged sentinel]

And frankly they got pretty close

[heady swift]

eh

they're not supposed to be pony cars

maserati had a wild racing heritage, but sort of lost and fiat came in

which doesn't really allow brands to make cars which could compete against ferrari

hence why alfa is just a normal brand, fiat b-tier alfa, lancia a-tier fiat and ferrari ferrari

fortunately they're reviving the brand with that mc20

[jagged sentinel]

Yes yes I know

But it's hard not to compare the Gran Turismo to a mustang or Camaro, they just seem really similar to me

[heady swift]

I mean yeah they both have big V8s and tend to overheat

but maserati is mostly meant as a brand to make sporty luxury cars, most;y GTs

hence the name of gran turismo and gran cabrio

[jagged sentinel]

I know

[kind osprey]

They have a Ferrari inspired v8 in a car that is supposed to be a daily vehicle going over 30,000 miles in its lifetime

Nothing can go wrong

[heady swift]

!ban 775750751795937281 phishing

[haughty bronze]

Banned onz#5563 (Case #126567) (user notified with a direct message)

[kind osprey]

I made a modmail

[heady swift]

he's already banned

[kind osprey]

Awesome

[jagged sentinel]

But people say the C63 is like a German muscle car, though mercades is also viewed as a luxury brand, no?

[kind osprey]

The c63 could justifiably be classified as a rough and tough balls to the wall vehicle

Big v8 in a small coupe frame

Fun

[heady swift]

mostly because it's a torque heavy benz with a v8

[jagged sentinel]

AMG build their cars as such anyway

[heady swift]

which looks a lot like muscle cars

granturismo isn't very torque heavy

and relies on top end

nonetheless an inefficient engine not suitable for daily driving

but sounds very nice

[kind osprey]

Yea that’s the ferrari in it showing

Lol

Revs to 9 but can’t pull a dime

[heady swift]

yeah they also use that engine in a few alfa QVs

[jagged sentinel]

I thought that had a V6

[heady swift]

it's the same engine

but they removed two cylinders

[jagged sentinel]

Oh

lol

Italian ingenuity

[heady swift]

yeah they use that engine for a lot of cars

almost as many different alfa romeo and maserati models use it as ferrari's

but maserati uses the standard V8 config

[jagged sentinel]

I know Alfa used that same 4.7L in the 8C and Disco Volante

Brilliant sounding thing

[heady swift]

yeah it's a platform they'll still use for the next generations

especially ferrari since it needs hybrid models

[main cosmos]

RAWE CEEK!!!!!!!!

[terse axle]

!!!!

mexico grand prix!

i hope perez gets a podium

[main cosmos]

yeah i hope so as well since it's Mexico

[old sedge]

How do race car drivers and pit crews stay awake for 24 hours?

[heady swift]

they don't

being awake for 12 hours during while performing a demanding job isn't really useful for things like pit stops, where everything has to go flawless and as efficient as possible

they just switch

like the drivers

I'm not sure of the strategists and team leader takes a break, though

[old sedge]

Would they get enough sleep?

[heady swift]

no, but sufficient for a day

[old sedge]

And they don't drink coffee?

Since coffee will make need to go to restroom

[jagged sentinel]

I believe they have multiple of those too

[heady swift]

they can and probably do

the pit people aren't always active

[jagged sentinel]

The drivers usually just piss in their seat

[heady swift]

and the pit stops are determined before the match

[old sedge]

Really?

[heady swift]

unless there's an accident

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

They don't have time in pitstops for a toilet break so

[old sedge]

And although coffee will make them piss a lot, it helps them stay awake and alert too

[jagged sentinel]

Coffee makes you want to shit too

Which isn't as easy in a racecar

[heady swift]

yeah they just piss their pants

[old sedge]

And they poop inside the car too?

[jagged sentinel]

As if that actually needed to be said

[heady swift]

nah, they're sitting

[jagged sentinel]

It's easier to hold a shit in then piss

[old sedge]

They only get out of their cars in pit stops when their shift ends

[heady swift]

usually

[jagged sentinel]

Plus I believe they eat light the night before the race anyway

[old sedge]

Probably

And they do hold practice races and pole/qualifying races before the 24h race proper

[ocean rock]

They dont, neither does the pit crew iirc

They just sleep on the floor or their desk for 1-2h

[heady swift]

even at le mans?

[ocean rock]

Yeah iirc its only 1 crew sets allowed

[heady swift]

using the same crew for 60 stops isn't very efficient

ah ok

[ocean rock]

Lemme check WEC regulations in that

[heady swift]

maybe they have a large pool and allow swapping

on individual level

[ocean rock]

Yeah, nvm

Forgot the 4 crew limit

[winter reef]

Gosh I want to offroad in the desert so badly

I keep seeing in my recommended desert off road videos

[heady swift]

I imagine it's fun, aside from the heat and your spine exploding

[ocean rock]

I mean

Even in rallying you can hear copilot grunts once and twice

[heady swift]

their balls of steel help the car balance mid-air

[sage roost]

Wow someone reasonable enough to say podium instead of win

[old sedge]

There's a myth here which says that e-parking brakes are less reliable and more expensive to repair than manual parking brake levers if it breaks. Confirmed or busted?

[ocean rock]

Both engages the same way, different method.

[old sedge]

And this page says "American SUV- comfort, durable and luxury"
https://www.carousell.ph/p/2002-chevrolet-tahoe-ls-4x2-4-8lit-v8-suburban-silverado-expedition-explorer-land-cruiser-sequioa-prado-fortuner-pajero-montero-patrol-terra-lexus-auto-1004042841/?t-id=NI9hyJlFg5_1635999799455&t-referrer_browse_type=categories&t-referrer_category_id=2151&t-referrer_request_id=ge-uy-GchcBqQ27B&t-referrer_sort_by=popular&t-tap_index=89

He forgot to add "reliable" since American SUVs are reliable

[winter reef]

https://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/news/forza-horizon-5-confirmed-car-list

bruh

this is truly the smash bros of cars

[sage roost]

The one time I didn’t want to buy the premium edition, the car pass features one of my favorite cars

[winter reef]

oh which is it?

[sage roost]

Formula drift Corolla

Let me check which version is it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/685936740917313575/905798337167491072/image0.jpg

[winter reef]

are goodyear tires worth it?

[jagged sentinel]

For what purpose/discipline

[winter reef]

Just normal driving

I heard they last a lot

[jagged sentinel]

They'll probably do fine

[winged rivet]

Rocket Bunny Honda Civic

Opinions?

I personally like the looks of it

[winter reef]

That suspension looks like death

[jagged sentinel]

Have you heard of air suspension?

[heady swift]

Air suspension on a track car?

[winter reef]

Yeah yeah but low suspensions make me anxious

it's always a storm of "what ifs" when I look at one

[winged rivet]

Imma give yall 3 choices
You want to attend a Car Meet
and have to pic one of the 3 cars
their all modified with your taste
which one do you take

[proper elbow]

300

[ocean rock]

The subie bone stock, wait till 2020 WRX comes out

And then sell it for a base model C8 corvette

[blissful lagoon]

This

[winged rivet]

hell yea
i see you

[hybrid charm]

I like that dude that's nice. that makes the perfect rally car.

[sage roost]

It’s… a drift car?

[static gale]

[ocean rock]

And also, Toyota Yaris exists

And its already homologated for WRC

[sage roost]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a modern Corolla hatchback in WRC

[winter reef]

Of course it's the golf how could you tell

[winter reef]

god i love separate fuel gauges

[surreal saffron]

Lol I think most Golfs have it

I will be getting 2 more gauges for oil temp and boost pressure by Christmas end.

Getting the S3 turbo setup done

[winged rivet]

pegot ca r

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Miat

[jagged sentinel]

That Miata driver is probably having more fun then the viper driver

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Yea

God imma regret selling mine :(

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Cause i like it

[narrow thistle]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38174892/acura-integra-prototype-release-date/

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shocking right? woooow people make great rally cars out of hatchbacks wooooow

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its rwd conversion fd-spec drift build?

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very shocking like most of those platforms rally cars are made on aren't front wheel drive

and like they are not gonna have to make drive trains for them

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Difference between that and a rally car is if you take that on a rally course/rally cross track it most likely won't last

[narrow thistle]

what r u on bout

[blissful lagoon]

shits a drift built car, not a rally built car

[heady swift]

WRC has a separate category for FWD, mostly for beginners or privateers

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Not what I meant

Most of those european cars you see are factory front wheel drive cars with everything modified. nobody cares if the tires are for drifting and it's RWD or FWD people make it AWD.

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The tires ain't just for drifting

the whole suspension setup is

[heady swift]

Well, the technology developed for WRC is used for modern day cars

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Like a Peugeot/Citroen car out of factory isn't RWD/AWD it's just a front wheel drive car

[heady swift]

they do

that ugly cross-over is 4wd

The technology doesn't have to be directly used for the donor car or the shell it resembles

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Which one

[heady swift]

3008

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is that used in rallies?

[heady swift]

No

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yeah I was talking about hatchbacks used in rallies specifically

[heady swift]

I'm saying that the technology derived from WRC isn't exclusively used for the cars itself

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and that this car would make a perfect rally car