transportation

[jagged sentinel]

In the cars back then

If that makes sense

[mental lion]

Steel shouldn’t as much as it did on this impala

[jagged sentinel]

The panels weren't very thick

That's why they had to reinforce the panels they painted

Because they'd bend or dent fairly easily with the paint and finishing methods they used

[jagged sentinel]

You forget that cars now are designed to crumble and give in a certain way

Cars back then... Had no thought put into that whatsoever

[mental lion]

Yeah to absorb the force

Nothing beats this tho

Maximum force absorption 👍

Maximum safety

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah, absorb the energy and slow down the deceleration

Slowing the deceleration is the main goal

As funny man Clarkson once said...

[dire shard]

there's a balance between the two

we enjoy modern safety features like seatbelts and proper seats, crumple zomes and airbags

we do not enjoy modern safety features like overzealous traction control, two hundred sensors that hard brake and shit your pants the moment a fly passes by

we've gone far beyond the balance of the two

[mental lion]

You have to account for really stupid people behind the wheel

That’s why they force a lot of these features nowadays

[dire shard]

we account for dumbfucks because apparently driving is a right and not a privilege in today's society

[mental lion]

True

[silent oak]

I will never drive a Volvo cuz safety

[dire shard]

i drive a volvo

😎

[silent oak]

I want a mustang soo

[mental lion]

Wrong

[dire shard]

i drive the cool volvo it's not the same i swear 😔

[mental lion]

The twilight one right?

[dire shard]

yeah

😂

i'm the vampire

fr

[silent oak]

What is. “Cool in Volvo” sorry

All the Volvo owners are either boring parents or over protective parents teaching kids on their car

[mental lion]

They power the noble m600

[dire shard]

anything with 5 cylinders, of course

[silent oak]

I like Porsche tho

[dire shard]

come on you've never seen edward drive his volvo? probably the hardest a non-DTM volvo has ever been driven

the coolest scene in twilight (it's twilight, the rest of the movie sucks ass)(aside from the scene where supermassive black hole plays)

https://youtu.be/yyoMegPxAYk?feature=shared

shitass fast and furries can't get cooler than this

[silent oak]

I’ve only driven a civic in a challenger soo

That civic was taken to a scrap yard for the cash

Never a Volvo

[dire shard]

i sing praises for this car probably way too often

it's a focus platform but with 5 cylinders in it

not any old boring volvo

[silent oak]

Ah not girls first Volvo ?

[mental lion]

Must be fun to drive kinda like a miata or an 86

[dire shard]

oh it's no miata, it's decently heavy

but it's short and small

[jagged sentinel]

Volvo 5 cylinders can sound more badass than they have any right to

[silent oak]

Better than a 5.7 hemi?

[mental lion]

Well they’re 2 different worlds

[jagged sentinel]

I know what your answer is going to be

No offense

[dire shard]

they uhhh.... https://youtu.be/kxITm1GosGo?feature=shared

hehe

it's like half an r8

[silent oak]

Unless yes it’s turbo maybe

[jagged sentinel]

Most 5.7s I hear don't sound very good because their owners are too broke to afford a good exhaust or too tasteless to get one

[silent oak]

That’s why I want a hellcat

No muffler or cat

[dire shard]

the t5 is turbo'd mine is a 2.4i, no turbo

https://youtu.be/UNVwSELTZVk?feature=shared

eheheheheh

why volvo 5 cylinders sound so fun

[jagged sentinel]

This is what I mean by tasteless

[silent oak]

Better than the Lancia s4?

Twin charged beauty

[jagged sentinel]

The "loud=good" philosophy comes at the expense of everyone else, not to mention it's more likely to get you into legal trouble

[silent oak]

I live in the middle of nowhere..

[jagged sentinel]

IMO a car can sound good without being obnoxiously loud

[silent oak]

Unless im getting a visit from a deputy

[jagged sentinel]

You aren't always in the middle of nowhere though

[silent oak]

Idk when I retire my belle idk what car will replace her

I like the loud factor

[jagged sentinel]

Dodge people usually do

[silent oak]

I’m not that kind of dodge girl..

[jagged sentinel]

[dire shard]

[silent oak]

I don’t live in the projects

[dire shard]

ayo

ayo wh

[jagged sentinel]

You know damn well that's not what I meant😭

[silent oak]

I live in bum fuck middle of no where county

[silent oak]

Any loud but cool dodge cars?

[jagged sentinel]

As far as modern dodges go one usually comes at the expense of the other

[dire shard]

the last cool dodge lineup was retired in 2017 💔

[silent oak]

Durango exists

[dire shard]

aint

[jagged sentinel]

They said cool

[silent oak]

Eh I’d say with cars in mind, dodge before the charger EV made some hella cool ride

They had so many cool challenger trim levels

[jagged sentinel]

They started to wear out their welcome starting with the redeye

[dire shard]

on the contrary, i think that the charger ev is the coolest looking car they've made in the past while
cough cough vomit hornet cough

[silent oak]

The charger EV looks cool but it failed

[jagged sentinel]

It's definitely the best looking car they've made in a long while

[silent oak]

All it’s got going for is looks but the EV part is bad

If they can stuff a 5.7 hemi or a 6.2 L hemi in the car IM SOLD

[jagged sentinel]

Also don't forget it doesn't have a decade-old interior anymore

[dire shard]

i wouldn't be sold, the platform is the reason it's a bad car

they made a genuinely good car with two issues
1: it's heavy as shit because it pulls double duty
2: it's expensive as hell because it's a new platform

[silent oak]

I’d love to ask, If I were to go ahead with a new car, do you recommend older mustangs,

[jagged sentinel]

No, simply because they're old and they're fords

[dire shard]

found on road dead 😎 😎 😎

[silent oak]

Imagine dodge brings the challenger back in the new charger body

Idk how to feel bout it

[dire shard]

then it's not a challenger is it

kind of the whole difference between the charger and the challenger is in the body and length of the car

[silent oak]

Come again fucking Carlos ruined Stellantis

So if anything blame him

[jagged sentinel]

I would question why they even bothered

[silent oak]

Using the challenger name as a way to sell

[jagged sentinel]

The charger is just as iconic of a name as the challenger

[dire shard]

but the charger name is no slouch either

in fact, it's older than the challenger

[jagged sentinel]

It probably dodge's best known name

It was one of the muscle car icons

[silent oak]

I have a soft spot for the 4 door chargers

[dire shard]

that bald man in the furry movie wasn't driving a challenger

[silent oak]

Idk I’ve been around em a lot

[silent oak]

FAMILY

[jagged sentinel]

The challenger also isn't what Dodge used in the superspeedways of NASCAR

Or Le Mans that one time

[silent oak]

I just hope the new ceo doesn’t fuck up the new charger platform

[dire shard]

it's already fucked

[jagged sentinel]

The new CEO is who made dodge cool, but he doesn't have a lot to work with

[silent oak]

Idc if it looks like a promising upgrade like charger with a 6.2 hellcat motor I’m sold baby

[jagged sentinel]

I'm honestly not sure any of their V8s would fit

[silent oak]

I haven’t seen one in person, idk if it will

[jagged sentinel]

The charger was designed specifically for the Hurricane, which is an inline, which means a narrow motor in comparison to their V8s of ye olde days

[dire shard]

the biggest complaint about the new charger platform isn't that it's got no big v8 engine or that it's ugly or anything, it's that it is extremely heavy because the platform has to accomodate either putting in the hurricane engine or batteries

[jagged sentinel]

Yup

[silent oak]

Its bigger then the challenger lmao

And the challenger is a BOAT

[dire shard]

always has been

the charger was always a bigger car

[jagged sentinel]

Dodge isn't known for much else lol

[silent oak]

I love my boat

I even named her in boat terms

If she’s ever totaled I’d crash out

[dire shard]

shitlantis

can't even fit a hemi in there if you wanted to

[silent oak]

Any cars you’d love to own in a realistic range?

[dire shard]

how realistic we talking

like, average trajectory in life, or i'm somewhat successful in my career and make like 150k

[silent oak]

Like what your paycheck / savings can afford you

With insurance n too

[dire shard]

i could buy an 86 right now and be the happiest little shit around

[silent oak]

I want a truck :3

[dire shard]

yeah i know

a big one

[silent oak]

Used

[dire shard]

the kind that would run me over at a red light because they're lifted and can't see my tiny car

[silent oak]

Idc what it is, ram, ford, even fucking Toyota

[dire shard]

the truck is just high enough that the headlights peer down behind my rear glass in the middle of the night and turn my interior into daytime

yeah i know the kind

[silent oak]

Not too lifted

[dire shard]

just lifted enough to kill a people under 5 foot

[silent oak]

I like the 2 inch lift of the TRX

Or 3 if I’m daring

[dire shard]

i like lowered tall cars

ever seen a lowered forester

turn your suv back into a wagon

so cool looking

also makes it not do what it was designed to do, but whatever not like those people have seen a gravel road in their lives

[silent oak]

I like dirt paths:3

I can speed on em

[dire shard]

the wrx calls your name but you don't vape so it has no effect

[silent oak]

Then.. a Mitsubishi ?

[dire shard]

not today no

[silent oak]

What’s the stereotype of a Mitsubishi woman driver?

[dire shard]

mitsubishi forgot what a car is

uhhh

my friend's mom drives a mitsubishi

she's kind of the type of person who doesn't drive

not into cars

it's a phev suv

[silent oak]

Since Subaru is a vapers car

[dire shard]

modern mitsubishi, nearly every single one of their lineup is a phev suv anyway

[silent oak]

Mitsubishi has no lancers no more

Only shitty cross overs n sedans

[jagged sentinel]

They do, it's just a crossover

[silent oak]

Kill me

Put a .44 to my head

[jagged sentinel]

[dire shard]

it'd be a darn shame if they brought back the eclipse nameplate as a crossover

oh wait

[jagged sentinel]

Best I can do is a 45

[dire shard]

god's caliber

[silent oak]

Please make me unrecognizable in the morgue

Jk

[dire shard]

same but not jk

[silent oak]

HOLY SHIT there charging 2025 outlander for 40k

[jagged sentinel]

That's...

Not bad

[dire shard]

that's

normal

pretty much every new car is around that range

[silent oak]

I want a normal lancer evo..

[dire shard]

there is no nornal lancer evo

there's a lot here

i've yet to see a normal one

[silent oak]

Before they turned it into a cross over

[dire shard]

i don't even know where they find all the voltex and varis parts here

[silent oak]

Any other off road - sedan cars you know?

Any cool ones.

[dire shard]

there must be a distributor here because there's no way they're all shipping them from japan

the coolest one is the wrx

but that doesn't look so good these days

looks aside it's an extremely good car for an extremely good price, but man it's not a great looking car

[silent oak]

One that doesn’t smell like vapes?

[dire shard]

yeah

a wrx that wasn't pre-owned

[silent oak]

Do they make coupe model wrx?

[dire shard]

change the stereotype 💪

no

[jagged sentinel]

No

[dire shard]

the last coupe was like, the gc8 impreza wrx

[jagged sentinel]

4 doors has been the standard for decades

[silent oak]

FAQQ YOU

[jagged sentinel]

The 22B right

[dire shard]

no there was a regular coupe

just a gc8

[silent oak]

Too you Subaru nerds, is the TS intresting

[dire shard]

the new one?

[silent oak]

Yes

I’m looking at the site

[dire shard]

i think it's got a bbk

in terms of being interesting, that's all

well, having a bbk is better than just being a cosmetic trim

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silent oak]

Any other rally style car:3

[dire shard]

gr corolla

[silent oak]

YAY

I LOVE IT

[dire shard]

won't lie, not a particularly good car, but i guess you are a single person

[silent oak]

When I’m not head over heels in love with dodge it’s a gr cololla

[dire shard]

fits one and a bag of groceries

[silent oak]

I swear something in me loves a 300 hp fucking compact

[dire shard]

who doesn't love a hot hatch

[silent oak]

How much is a gr Corolla?

[dire shard]

i suppose the veloster exists, but i think the third door is dumb

expensive

[silent oak]

Is it.. out of my range

[dire shard]

yes

i mean, msrp? no

[silent oak]

Like new challenger money?

[dire shard]

dealer markup? probably more than you want to pay for a toyota

[silent oak]

40k

40 k for a hot hatch?

Damn

[dire shard]

this was two years ago, but, er...

i'd rather be in the 86

[silent oak]

I can’t afford a fucking Supra bitch

You think I’m a basic bitch who likes a bmw based Toyota ?

I like dodge :3

[dire shard]

i am! 🙋‍♂️

i like the a90

i'd buy one

[silent oak]

It looks sexy

[dire shard]

fr

[silent oak]

An automatic transmission in a gr corolla costs an extra 2k

[dire shard]

"it's a bmw" let's not pretend that toyota has made a decent sports chassis in the past 20 years

the corolla is a corolla, the 86 is a subaru in all but the direct injector on top of the boxer engine

it's, in fact, a very fucking good thing that the a90 is a bmw

because it doesn't drive like shit

[silent oak]

Better than an actual Beamer?

Idk I’ve seen a m4 comp and it’s sexy

[dire shard]

yeah, i think it actually does handle better than the z4 it's based on - but that might be a function of the z4 being a convertible

[silent oak]

Do you know dodge cars a lot

[dire shard]

hell no i do not like american automobiles

[silent oak]

Is it better to trade in a rt for a gt AWD?

[dire shard]

anything past the 70s is dead to me

[silent oak]

I wished dodge made an AWD v8 for civilians

[dire shard]

they do

it's the durango

but on the downside, it's a durango

[silent oak]

Not a challenger but ya

Durango’s sexy

[dire shard]

ah huh

[silent oak]

I’m an American car fan..

I’m from Japan, we rarely see American cars there

Challengers are a rare sight

So when I had the opportunity to buy one. I did

[dire shard]

you can put a big engine in a big suv, it's still a big suv and those don't exactly inspire a generation or sit on posters in bedrooms

[silent oak]

I like the 5.7 L pur

If you want to see a crazier car spot in Japan I’ve seen a 70s challenger there

[dire shard]

see all sorts of cars in japan

[silent oak]

I love the American car market

[dire shard]

that's a frightening thought

today's, or yesteryear's?

[silent oak]

Any

I’m not deep into American car history

But I love the design n big engines

The reason I got a fucking challenger in Arizona is cuz they big engine

[dire shard]

definitely not today's then

[rose sierra]

Something in me just loves a 150hp if that compact 🙏

E36 compacts are so dope

[silent oak]

I love any big engine lmao

[rose sierra]

Usually theyre just lil 4 cyl 1.8l or 1.6l or 6cyl 2.0l

[rose sierra]

But yeah love me a good compact

[silent oak]

I like the Corolla gr

It’s one of my second favorite compacts outside the ford focus RS

The ultimate rally beast

[rose sierra]

Do u watch formula drift n stuff cause ryan tuerck drifts a lil rolla and it’s pretty dope

[rose sierra]

Ooh yeah that thing is pretty good in rally

[silent oak]

The focus is badass irl

[rose sierra]

I wish i could see some rally irl but i never see anything about it in my country

[silent oak]

I’ve seen a rally race in Hokkaido

Once

[rose sierra]

Oosh that would be sick

[silent oak]

It is great, they do it alot there

[rose sierra]

Japan seems so cool id love to go someday

[night steeple]

go visit fuji speedway

[rose sierra]

Hell yeah

[dreamy torrent]

I have car with 2 options: with or without Turbo engine.
Which one is great for heavy traffic areas?

[kind osprey]

Turbos don't make a difference if you're regularly commuting. With a turbo car you want to wait longer to drive off, to let the oil circulate and engine warm up.

Also some turbo cars require higher octane gas

So always check that

[dire shard]

turbos are another moving part that can fail

that means maintenance, repair, and replacement

along with the higher octane gas, this is going to increase your costs

if all you're going to be doing is sitting in traffic, i wouldn't bother with it

[naive thorn]

But at least it goes sututu

[dire shard]

that's the neat part

it doesn't

[naive thorn]

[steady cove]

relatable

[quiet yew]

Gawd damn

[quiet yew]

Guys look it's an Or Or

[naive thorn]

Or 150

[rapid oxide]

Peep the rarri’ in the back

[cold vigil]

bro staring at an egg and said peep the rari 🤦‍♂️

[dire shard]

peep that man's nike socks

[silent oak]

Loooking cars worth more then my fucking place lmao

[kind osprey]

I'd be very happy if my primary residence was worth as much as a Koenigsegg

That would be like a 5500 square foot 5 bed 6 bath house with a massive inground pool

[broken tulip]

Going to LA protest

[silent oak]

The bepis laser

[mental lion]

No theater room?

[silent oak]

No stripper pole and open bar room ?

[mental lion]

Asking the right questions

[vapid orchid]

yoooo

[sage roost]

@jagged sentinel poor LC200 sales apparently

[jagged sentinel]

There are very few countries as accommodating of large vehicles like the big boy LC as the US

[sage roost]

but a lot of reviewers (including Doug demuro) reviewed the ""new"" Land Cruiser Prado as if it's the successor to the LC200

which is not true

And it infuriates me

"The Land Cruiser used to have a big ol' V8 now it's a small 4 banger hybrid!!!!"

[jagged sentinel]

6000 pounds towing is...

[sage roost]

ITS NOT. THE SAME. CAR.

[jagged sentinel]

For a utility vehicle of that size, that's a bit low

[sage roost]

the Prado is basically the Toyota of the Lexus GX

it's also pretty much a 4Runner on the insides

same engine, drivetrain, chassis

which means we also do not get the 4Runner here

[jagged sentinel]

Rip

[sage roost]

it's the same car

Reskinned

[jagged sentinel]

I'd still rather just get a 4runner if we can't get the real LC

[sage roost]

ye

[jagged sentinel]

Also the price for the Prado is obnoxious

[sage roost]

But the LC is smaller than the sequoia

But more capable

[jagged sentinel]

Hmm

I don't like SUVs as a rule but the 4runner was higher on my list than most

[sage roost]

Also

we do NOT get the hybrid on the Prado

Just the regular 4 cylinder

[jagged sentinel]

Which 4 cylinder

[sage roost]

the same engine

[jagged sentinel]

The turbo diesel or gas

[sage roost]

But no electric motors

gas

[jagged sentinel]

Makes sense

[sage roost]

people who own the car said that it's extremely loud and begs for mercy

[jagged sentinel]

The motor? Or the road/tire noise

[sage roost]

the engine

[jagged sentinel]

It's not even exceptionally heavy as SUVs go

[sage roost]

iirc it makes the same power figures as the outgoing 4.0, which was already rather underpowered

the big boy Land Cruiser also gets the same engine (the 4L V6)

[jagged sentinel]

And notoriously bad on gas if I'm thinking of the right V6

[sage roost]

And in that car especially the engine barely moves it

[jagged sentinel]

My mom has a 2018 Durango with the V6 that makes 295 (compared to the Prado's 270) and it moves perfectly good

And a very similar weight if I remember right

[sage roost]

It's curb weight is 5000lbs

the Prado

[jagged sentinel]

Durango hovers around that too

[sage roost]

Durango is pretty much the same

[jagged sentinel]

My mom's particular car should be between 4900 and 5000

[sage roost]

the prado's curb weight is 5100

Toyota also put the 4.0L V6 into FUCKING EVERYTHING THATS BODY ON FRAME

like I said, some big boy Land Cruiser trims use that same engine

[jagged sentinel]

It's also interesting that Pentastar V6 in her Durango was like a decade old by that point, and it produced similar power most of that time

[sage roost]

Both the 200 series and 300 series

[jagged sentinel]

And yet Toyota's V6 in the current year, used in vehicles of the same weight class, with a similar displacement and probably more tech, still makes less

[sage roost]

the 200 also uses the engine from the GX460

[sage roost]

to sum it up: power of a 4 cylinder, consumption of a V8

[jagged sentinel]

Funny

Do these new engines work as well as Toyota motors do

[sage roost]

no....

they have problems

[jagged sentinel]

Damn, Chrysler beat them there too

Somehow

Idk how a company as mid as Chrysler came up with an engine as reliable as the Pentastar

And it's replacement...

Well the replacement is the Hurricane. And we both know how well that engine turned out

[sage roost]

Just for reference, the 4.0L V6 gets approximately 15mpg on the Prado

Probably less on the LCs

[jagged sentinel]

I mean it is shaped like a brick

[sage roost]

So would you recommend the pentastar Durango

[jagged sentinel]

I am a Pentastar shill

[sage roost]

hmmm

[jagged sentinel]

I don't think this is the first time I've ranted about it

[sage roost]

What about the hemi

[jagged sentinel]

The 5.7 is a bit underpowered but can last around as long as the Pentastar if basic maintenance is adhered to

[sage roost]

My mom's current car is a 2015 kia and it's as reliable as cars can get

[jagged sentinel]

My dad's old ram and my mom's Durango both have Pentastars, both of them are nearing or have eclipsed 200K miles without any major engine related issues

[sage roost]

11 years of ownership we only did basic maintenance to it

[jagged sentinel]

A reliable Korean vehicle?

[sage roost]

shocker

(Most of the problems with Kia/hyundai are American made cars)

There's also the stereotype that Kia owners dont change their oil so there's that

[jagged sentinel]

Even if the V6 in the truck shits the bed my dad probably wouldn't have to pay more than a grand for it because of an obnoxiously good protection plan and warranty

It was so good that they stopped offering it the year after he bought his, and tmk it hasn't come back since

We took it to a dealership to get a headlight electrical issue diagnosed and he would have paid like 300 bucks or something like that, but because of the plan he got he paid like 60 or something crazy low

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah I've also heard that Korean car owners treat and/or drive their cars like shit

[sage roost]

it helps that we change the oil every 3000 miles or 5000 kilometers

[jagged sentinel]

Believe it or not, brainless consumers, if you drive a vehicle like you stole it every time you drive it, it will not like that or you very much

[jagged sentinel]

Good idea

[sage roost]

also, someone somewhere said Kia bad

So everyone started parroting the same opinion

Case in point: the Kia stinger

every reviewer kept saying how good the car is, but kept ending it with "but it's a Kia..."

[jagged sentinel]

Honestly I think Hyundai are probably where the hate started, deserved or not, and then it just got tacked on to the other Korean brands as time went

Which is weird because Motortrend, an American automotive magazine that like American cars, gave Genesis (you know what Genesis is) multiple car-of-the-year awards

[carmine steppe]

My 600€ skoda has so far been good to me and i intend on keeping it untill the wheels fall off it

Skoda has been a good budget car brand for the last 27ish years honestly. Like a friend of my family bought a Skoda brand new in 1999 for 99.000 SEK which today is around 15000€ for a brand new car

[jagged sentinel]

Skoda is GM owned isn't it

[fast edge]

no

it's vw

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah that's right

[carmine steppe]

yeah i cant remember when they aquired it tho

Opel is owned by GM

But Opel and Skoda has one issue in common. Rust.

[jagged sentinel]

It was Opel and Vauxhall that were owned by GM, I mixed them up

But GM sold them awhile ago

[carmine steppe]

Could be

But yeah, Skoda has made really great cars but rust has always been the thing that sent them to the crusher (not as bad as Rover for example but ykwim)

and tbf they are quite ugly but i think they have a certain charm to them lol

[rare heron]

Dear Mazda, 7mm Allen heads are for psychopaths.

Especially when the average set has 6mm keys and then jumps to 8

[jagged sentinel]

Blame Ford

[rare heron]

Damn you ford

My civic was so much easier to work on

[jagged sentinel]

If any design decision about any Mazda ever made it questionable, blame ford

[rare heron]

So I can basically fix a Ford now too after 10 trips buying tools

[jagged sentinel]

Cars was made before Ford ownership? Blame Ford. Afterwords? Ford.

[lone geyser]

As a former employee of kia I refuse to believe this statement without knowing which engine it has in it

Nevermind you arent within the area of cars that would have been affected by the texas kia plant shitting itself

The v6s like in the hyundai genesis and the kia stinger are fine

The 4 cylinders run too hot and nuke themselves

The 1.6T is godawful for that, the 1.8 is a little better but its still terrible in the North American market

[cosmic mauve]

my mum has kia sportage

btw i love cars too

[lone geyser]

They arent nearly as bad if you are able to work on them

My mom wouldnt let me work on her 2016 tucson and it blew up 3 times 💀

[cosmic mauve]

yikes

[lone geyser]

She eventually gave into me telling her to sell it and buy something Japanese

[cosmic mauve]

the kia sportage is so reliable tho

[lone geyser]

Also depends on the market it was sold in

[cosmic mauve]

why a car from japan?

[lone geyser]

Easy to work on, stupidly reliable

[cosmic mauve]

fair XD

my parents andi hate electric cars

[lone geyser]

same

[cosmic mauve]

i wish their car batteries would blow up

[lone geyser]

I wnt even buy a car newer than like 2015, even all the electrical assists in new cars just anger me

[cosmic mauve]

real

then you have the cyber truck

what tf is it supposed to represent

[lone geyser]

LMAO

Yeah, catch on fire going through carwashes

[cosmic mauve]

lol

[lone geyser]

Looks like the truck i drew in second grade 🤣

[cosmic mauve]

ye i can draw the tow truck from cars

its an odd ability

[lone geyser]

pff

But yeah i prefer the analog driving experience, at least with my summer fun car

My e46 is a blast

[cosmic mauve]

ye

you like automatic cars?

[lone geyser]

I prefer manual

[cosmic mauve]

ye

i dont think you would need a licence for if you got a automatic

the car does the work

all you gotta do is steer

[lone geyser]

I mean, you do though

I need to manual swap my e46 lmao

I hate this stupid dsg LMAOO

[cosmic mauve]

XD

omg

tf is going on with the radio wire

[lone geyser]

Its an aux cord

[cosmic mauve]

ahhh i catch your drift

i mean the interior looks good

[lone geyser]

Very clean well maintained for a 2003

Especially one i only paid $2000 for

[cosmic mauve]

2 grand for a car?!

[lone geyser]

Yeah

[cosmic mauve]

thats a solid deal

[lone geyser]

Both my e46 and my outback were $2000

My 350z was like $1500 💀

[cosmic mauve]

jesus christ

where are you getting these prices from?!

[lone geyser]

Unlike the other 2 though the e46 has a clean title

[cosmic mauve]

ye

[lone geyser]

I dont buy cars in perfect running condition

I get em cheap because i buy other peoples waste

[cosmic mauve]

ahh

[lone geyser]

My e46 had a 3 cylinder misfire when i bought it, fixed ot the next day

Been damn near dailying it since i bought it

[cosmic mauve]

that is nice

[lone geyser]

Exterior is fairly clean for the price too

It needs some paint and clear coat but otherwise its almost pristine

[cosmic mauve]

but the best thing is youve got it cheap but also its getting all of your needs done

[lone geyser]

Even if it wasnt i have several other cars

[cosmic mauve]

id say like black with some red

some gta bs

[lone geyser]

Lmao

Repainting is among the least of my concerns for the mewntime

Sure it looks a little strange but i have some leaks to fix and part of the suspension to replace

And then the manual swap
Debating the 4.4l v8 from the e39 540i for an engine swap

[cosmic mauve]

id say have a tiny bit higher suspention only because it freaks me out when i see low cars go over speed bumps

[lone geyser]

I scrape on ever bunp

Stock height too

[cosmic mauve]

i hate it

[lone geyser]

I hate the sound

If i go sideways i can make it

My neigbor had an f30 stock height and he scraped on most bumps too

[cosmic mauve]

ooo

[silent oak]

What car lmao

I understand I can’t speak on that since I’m a muscle car driver but what car has so low to the ground suspension that it fucking scratches

[lone geyser]

My 2003 bmw e46

My 03 350z is the same deal

[silent oak]

My challenger is low to the ground I can’t drive it in snow

I can try, I’d have to get the snow tire

[lone geyser]

I dont even bother running either of mine in the snow

I have a truck and a subaru wagon for the off season

[night steeple]

the new bmw 2 series just came out over here
jesus christ it looks like one of those sedan-ified hatchbacks, like the ford fiesta with a tall back end and tiny wheels

[dire shard]

well yeah

the 2 in 2 series stands for "only buy the version with 2 doors or you look stupid"

every single four door in the subcompact sedan class looks squished because this size of car is just not possible to look pleasing for four doors

[sage roost]

the sedan 2 series and the 1 series look like Kia's

[rose sierra]

Ay nice man what was making it misfire lol

[rose sierra]

Ooh hell yeah how powerful is that shit? Ive never been in an e39 n shit

1 more thing

Look at this biitch

[rose sierra]

Boring tho i like having fun whike driving

[lone geyser]

283 horsepower for the 540 swap

Thats a 99 horsepower gain over my e46

[rose sierra]

Oh shit thats algoods haha fuck yeah

[night steeple]

in top gears vietnam special jeremy complains about his vespa not getting in gear, i thought the vespa has a cvt?

[dire shard]

he purchased what appears to be a 1967 vespa sprint 150

that did not have a cvt, no - i think they only got automatics in 1980

in fact, the whole scene before that where they took off, jeremy didn't take off until that blonde australian sounding woman came along and taught him how to turn the scooter on and go through the gears

[static gale]

or what's left of it 😭

[rose sierra]

Lmao legit man😂

[subtle grove]

why it starin at me like that

[silver reef]

lol

[rose sierra]

“I like rusty clutches” 🤣 “ it makes me feel nice” lmaoo

[subtle grove]

frrrrr. feel bad for it.

[jagged sentinel]

https://www.fastcompany.com/91350623/ram-trucks-fires-up-a-near-perfect-brand-apology-ad

@silent oak you'll fucking love this

This is the ad in question
https://youtu.be/TseTzC3bQAk?si=FYP5MjzUVO0kMq-p

[kind osprey]

I'm glad I got the rubber mats for the floor. This is only after a few days

It got so dirty

[static gale]

How

[kind osprey]

My job

The cement plant is very sandy and powdery, so even after taking my boots off and getting my regular shoes on over time there is some residue

I also went to the beach so some extra sand as well

[sage roost]

do I see

3 pedals

[static gale]

Oh, that's exactly what I thought, lmao

[kind osprey]

Nahhhhh that's just the push pedal to change the steering wheel position

[sage roost]

integra?

[kind osprey]

Mhm

Was originally looking for the si but this one came up at a really good price

[silent oak]

I’m getting a ram boys!!

[fast edge]

sorry for your loss

[dire shard]

tim is my saviour

[rose sierra]

Ngl that shit aint even bad

[silent oak]

How do you people feel bout the corvette E ray

The hybrid corvette

[night steeple]

about time, sports cars hybrids are alright, more power

[silent oak]

Hybrid sports cars are the only cool hybrid imo

[willow barn]

prius tho

[silent oak]

I’d never be seen in that

I got a image to keep

[willow barn]

but the fuel econmony is out of this world!

[silent oak]

I like a hemi.. last thing on a girls mind

[willow barn]

i leik kei trucks

[silent oak]

I like hellcats :3

[jagged sentinel]

I'd legitimately consider buying one were I in the market for a C8 (and could afford it)

[silent oak]

They are 100k for a hybrid. Damn

[lavish wedge]

Looking for cheech and Chong set

Xbox new gen

I mean the van I'm looking for the breaking bad SET as well

[dire shard]

you're looking for #xb-s｜vehicles-lfg

[opal forum]

Well i'll be damned, that's how you make an advertisement

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah I think they absolutely knocked it out of the park in just about every area they could

[silent oak]

I wonder if the dodge will make a cool advertisement for their hemi chargers

Like a middle finger to Carlos

[void hatch]

Yo guys I have a cool glitch so you still have the car but I get it off you for free

[icy olive]

Honestly should've changed them sooner...

[kind osprey]

thanks for specifying which ones were new and which ones we old

I would have been very confused

[jagged sentinel]

Lmao

Maybe the one person a month who accidentally clicked here who has no concept of how brakes slow a car down may gain something from it /s

[icy olive]

Exactly, I posted it on my snap story so some people don't know shit about there car

[heavy yarrow]

Cool emote

[kind osprey]

Beyuhmdubbayuu

[silent oak]

Are the blinkers working

[lone geyser]

Yes

[silent oak]

So it’s not a myth among beamers :3

[lone geyser]

Ironically, they didn’t work when I bought it

[silent oak]

So every Beamer

[lone geyser]

Bimmer, Beamers are bikes.

[silent oak]

I’m not a bmw fan obviously (outside the bmw m4 comp )

[lone geyser]

The 4 series is just a wannabe 3 series lmao

[lone geyser]

I had definitely over complicated how i was gonna sort the front ones, apparently they were much easier than i thought

[lone geyser]

Also i wasnt a big fan of bmw either until i bought my e46

[silent oak]

I just want a Beeg muscle car

Mustang, challenger hellcat, what ever

[lone geyser]

Ive had a few chonky bois

I had a 69 camaro a while ago

Sold it to fund restoring my c10 instead

[silent oak]

I want a c8 so badly

So I can have my mid life crisis at 24

[lone geyser]

It better be in midlife crisis yellow

My friend say i had my midlife crisis at 16 since thats when i bought my z33 roadster

[kind osprey]

My friends coworker did that

I think he has 2

But the c7 exploded

[dire shard]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DKo_YYbuHOy/?igsh=MWE2OXh3OW04MzVnYQ==

artwood.ig (@artwood.ig)

ช่างใหญ่แอบอู้งาน . . .

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[silent oak]

POV: your that friend who’s helping in spirit

[onyx rivet]

https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g65079792/2026-chevy-corvette-zr1x-gallery/

[dire shard]

now which stinky butt doesn't want to call this a supercar

[mental lion]

Had to ruin it with the wheels

[silent oak]

Bwaaa

[sage roost]

One thousand two hundred and fifty horsepower

whoever says it isn't a supercar is in denial

[mental lion]

It’s a hypercar at this point

[jagged sentinel]

It's riding that line real tightly

[jagged sentinel]

The torbillion sounds freakin awesome

Wait that's the mistral

Silly me

[sage roost]

https://youtu.be/82amznCHgsw

weighs over 4 tonnes
isn't even the "long" version

[mental lion]

In today’s standard that’s a supercar performance: revulto sf90 etc but hypercars didn’t evolve that much since 2013
So it’s almost a hypercar.

[kind osprey]

Absolute EV moment

[kind osprey]

Hypercar performance absolutely, but the term hypercar usually implies it is an extremely custom/limited vehicle

Like a zr1 could smoke a Pagani Zonda, but only one of those 2 takes over a year to build completely handmade with the craftsmanship of a 40,000 square foot manor

The other is a modern Hennessey Venom

[sage roost]

this corvette platform especially is proof that if GM want to lock in, they lock the fuck in

[kind osprey]

It's cool to see how far they have come with it

It basically went from grandads basic sports car to full blown tire peeler in less than a decade

Even the last gen zr1's are really cool

I like the c6's see through hood thing

[jagged sentinel]

That's what I'm saying

Every Corvette since the C4 in the 90s has been throwing hands with Europe

(yes, I meant the 90s. The C4 ZR-1 came about in 1990 iirc)

Shit, the Corvette has been throwing hands with the 911 since the C4 ZR-1

[lone geyser]

@silent oak im slowly turning off my dash lights 😂 its almost like i enjoy this car

When i bought the car it had warning indicators that every light was out, the last indicator just went off ~20 mins ago after i replaced the final bulb

[silent oak]

Sweet how much for the car? With the warning light?

[lone geyser]

i paid $2000 for more than just warning lights

i had a 3 cylinder misfire

both of my cars withing reach were both the same price lmao

my lil ol subaru outback is within walking distance right now, paid $2000 for that over a coolant leak

[silent oak]

Damn good find

If I wanted, to make myself hate me even more, I’d get a hellcat for cheap at an auction

Those have more problems then an Altima

[dire shard]

🫵 stinky butt

[dire shard]

the heavier it is, the more children that the driver can't see over the six foot high bonnet it can mow down

[lone geyser]

50% chance its a theft recovery
The other 50 is probably impounded at a takeover

Both sides you’re fucked

[lone geyser]

fr, aside from the odd issue finding a really nice e46 for that price isnt terrible, obviusly its not a 330i but im quite impressed with the output of my 320i

i need to fix both cars and find a friend ho will race me ion my other car, see which one wins in a straight line 🙃

[mental lion]

Bonnet

[dire shard]

ai generated safety hazard

[static gale]

tsk tsk tsk

[lone geyser]

Im now learning how out of place i feel at the bmw dealership
Im sitting here waiting for recalls on my e46 and the lounge is filled with like older people

Then theres me who looks like a toddler

[loud spade]

I was gonna day that looks small

And why is it so low to the ground too

With sidesteps... like it needs them

[jagged sentinel]

You know what this means for most shops right

Most two-post lifts, including the ones at my college, vocational high school and almost all of the 20+ lifts at my dealership have a limit of 7500 pounds

So they'd need to get EV/Heavy Duty lifts to lift that fat fuck

Safely, anyway

[dire shard]

that vehicle belongs on a four post lift anyways

even if a two post could hold that much weight, i don't trust it

it's like, one step removed from a box truck

it belongs on the four post

[jagged sentinel]

The tech that I shadow lifts lightnings and mach Es (Ford Dealership) on two-post lifts, not that he gets much choice

You can tell that they weren't built with EVs in mind because lightnings do not sit level on them; the back hangs considerably lower than the front, and removing the battery causes the back to lift several inches

[silent oak]

Built to satisfy the EV grants lmao

[dire shard]

i wouldn't put a full size pickup on a two post either tbh ev or not, but i'm scared like that

i'd bet those batteries balance the weight of the car, usually pickups are lighter in the rear, i've had a few scares before because i thought it was good to go and then that fucker starts swaying

four post is my beloved

alignment? four post
truck? four post
box truck? four post
scared as hell because jack point is rusted out? four post

[silent oak]

I’m looking at you Hondas

Like half the ones I see are rusty on the frame

Even EV Hondas

[dire shard]

to be fair, your region rusts literally everything

honda and all the other japanese manufacturers have come a long way from when they first started exporting to colder countries

[silent oak]

Sadly yes, I have to keep my ride in my garage for reasons

And have to wash it

[dire shard]

yeah, and you know, people who own consumer cars (like most of honda's range that isn't a type R) don't do that

they drive in the winter, they don't spray the bottom of their car to get rid of the rust, they definitely don't wash their car

that's life

not the car's fault, owner's fault

[silent oak]

And the owners say “Hondas run forever”

Until they drive it with no oil

[dire shard]

normally i would agree but when matt drives a civic with no oil in it around for almost four minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyejT4VPzlE

BUT YES change ur friggen oil people!! 😭

[silent oak]

Honda drivers be like: it runs forever on the same oil!

Then having to sell the car for scrap when your engine blows

[dire shard]

to be fair, they probably bought their car for scrap too

[silent oak]

I never really was a Honda gal

[dire shard]

hondas are weird

they always feel like they're missing something

they're begging to be modified because something about them just seems missing from factory

[silent oak]

A good none racer driver

[dire shard]

like the only car i feel like is "good" out of factory was the nsx

look at an s2000 in stock form and it's like, wow so sporty... why does it look so plain despite being sporty? then you lower it, throw on wheels that don't look like shit, give it a lip, wow now that's a car, that's how it should have looked like from factory... hondas are always missing something and i don't know why

[silent oak]

NSX my beloved

I don’t like cars that are so boring to drive like civics (or any eco box)

Even if they are reliable

[dire shard]

that's the thing, compared to other cars of the level, civics aren't boring to drive

honda makes really good driving cars

[silent oak]

Never been in a good one lmao

[dire shard]

but i guess you like it when your car is trying to kill you... i know a guy like that

also likes muscle cars

also hates straight lines and traction

[silent oak]

Who guessed that from a first gen viper lover

[silent oak]

It was automatic

Atleast an automatic challenger is fun cuz it’s fast and heavy

[jagged sentinel]

Yes. Two post lifts were designed primarily with front-engined cars in mind, so the shorter legs (for lack of a better term) are where the front of the vehicle would be, and the longer legs have less load so they can safely be longer. EVs of course defy this as they tend to be more mid-balanced, so it shifts more of the weight to the back, longer legs, and makes it more dangerous

Of course lifts are tested to a degree over their consumer-rated weight to account for this but

The only EV-rated lifts at our dealership are...

Not where the sole EV tech at the dealership (for now) is

[silent oak]

How much in deep is ford with EVs

Or is it a phase

[jagged sentinel]

Right now I'm only aware of two full EVs that they offer

Lightning and Mustang Mach E, neither of which are selling particularly well

[dire shard]

mach e and lightning, but they also offer an electric transit for commercial use

[jagged sentinel]

If you call the Mach E a mustang I will punch you in the throat

[silent oak]

Would they pull a dodge and make a coupe mustang ?

EV

[jagged sentinel]

Not unless their backs are against the wall

[dire shard]

😔 remember this thing? https://www.torquenews.com/106/all-electric-ford-mustang-lithium-concept-packs-900hp

[silent oak]

If it was advertised on fords account, instant hate

[jagged sentinel]

I'll do you one better

[dire shard]

wew

[jagged sentinel]

I think this thing is kinda neat

Ngl

[silent oak]

If dodge ruined the challenger name by making it an EV

I’d be forced to do something I’d regret maybe

[dire shard]

they ruined the charger name, nothing's stopping them

[jagged sentinel]

Im 2007 or 2024

[hearty narwhal]

idk how i feel about that car

[jagged sentinel]

I was present at the event when this set its record

[silent oak]

Atleast the charger 4 door after the face lift looks cool

[dire shard]

sixth gen hater? 🤝

[jagged sentinel]

Nah

[dire shard]

[jagged sentinel]

I understand why they made the charger a 4-door and I think it was a perfectly fine attempt at what it was going for

[silent oak]

Best face lift

[dire shard]

oh i get it, i just think it's fckin ugly

yeah the seventh gen facelift was much needed

[jagged sentinel]

The era of making 17 different 2-door cars that are similar in size with virtually identical engine-drivetrain options is over

[silent oak]

That shitty cross grill of the 6th

WTF dodge

[jagged sentinel]

Oh, now I get it

I forgot that the 2023 and 2007 were separate generations

[dire shard]

what a hateful design

[silent oak]

You made the charger look fucking punted

[jagged sentinel]

Yes I am a 6th gen hater, at least until the very end of its production run

[silent oak]

The 7th gen was a good form

[jagged sentinel]

I like the 2013 charger look, in some ways more than the 7th gen

[silent oak]

It made it look good

[dire shard]

it actually still looked like that in the seventh gen, from 2011 until its facelift in 2015

it's not great

past 2015 is what people are actually thinking when they think good modern chargers

[silent oak]

The 6th gen ruined chargers until they face lifted it

They made it actually attractive to drive

[dire shard]

they made it actually look like a car

[jagged sentinel]

Indeed

[silent oak]

Not a prison mobile

[dire shard]

seventh gen had a hella long run but you wouldn't think it because the facelift was so different from the prefacelift

a generational difference

[silent oak]

Don’t get me started with the tail lights ok

[jagged sentinel]

The one thing I don't like about the 7th gen is the taillights

[silent oak]

You don’t? I love that design the light bar thing going on

[jagged sentinel]

I like the 2011-15 taillights and some of the bodywork, but for the most part the 7th gen looks better, especially the sportier models

[dire shard]

yeah i'm not a huge fan of light bars either

[silent oak]

Fucking hate these tail lights

[dire shard]

👴 wow that did not age well

[silent oak]

That’s the 2010 charger

God I don’t like those old lights

[jagged sentinel]

I like these much better

Yeah I know it's blacked out but my point still stands

The 7th gen ones remind me too much of the dart's taillights

They just look...cheap

[dire shard]

eah, they're much better than before but i still don't like light bars

[silent oak]

2011 was the start of the light bar

[silent oak]

Reasonable. Atleast your not the 2010 tail lights enjoyer

[jagged sentinel]

Hell nah

[dire shard]

i mean if you wanna be real about it

they did this in 66

[silent oak]

If ya did like it.. I’d feel bad for you.

[jagged sentinel]

I'd feel bad for me too

[dire shard]

light bar is just part of the charger design, i just don't really like light bars as a whole

[silent oak]

The black sheep of the dodge tail light

I love the modern challenger tail lights, such a drippy look

[jagged sentinel]

The mono taillight thing just kinda became a dodge motif

[dire shard]

euck

[silent oak]

Now that’s sexy

The modern challenger tail lights are hot :3

[dire shard]

they sure are

it's a good look

[jagged sentinel]

Agreed

[dire shard]

though, they kinda correspond to the rectangles in the grille for the lower trims that i don't like haha

[jagged sentinel]

Would it be a hot take to say that knocked it out of the part for that challenger generation

Especially for the retrofuristic design aesthetic the early 2000s had

[silent oak]

That’s what makes them nice

I love it’s not a full light bar

Like the pre facelift challenger

[dire shard]

ewww

haha

the 2008 one

i hate the tail lights

[silent oak]

Made light bars look horrible

[dire shard]

i have always felt like the third generation challenger was always like, too tall... it's very stocky and thick, the original challenger was kind of thin
i guess that's modern design though

[jagged sentinel]

It was missing the critical component of like every good looking light bar

[silent oak]

A good looking light bar

[jagged sentinel]

No

LEDs

[dire shard]

nah it was missing the good looking light bar too

it was just a fat glass square across the entire back of the car, that's just not good looking

or maybe i just really hate light bars

[dire shard]

nuh uh

kylo ren lookin ass

[jagged sentinel]

This is the Saleen 570x

[silent oak]

Like I understand the influence but like that..

[dire shard]

ain't it innit

[silent oak]

Some people convert those on older gen’s to look like modern ones

[jagged sentinel]

Can't imagine why

[dire shard]

cuz light bars suckasssssssssss

[silent oak]

7th gen Chargers are the exception

They look semi nice

And iconic to the gen

[dire shard]

i don't like either 😠

7th gen charger rear genuinely looks like kylo ren helmet

[silent oak]

The way it was done made it look cheap knock off, look at the 70s challenger

[dire shard]

won't lie, i do like the new one though

[silent oak]

The rear or front

[dire shard]

it's not "cheap knock off", it's a design homage to the first generation

just like the s197 was a homage to the 69 mustang

[silent oak]

I just don’t like how it translated to the newer body

[dire shard]

honestly, i like how it looks entirely
it's just a shame that they decided to ruin it, but well, we've talked about that a billion times here already 😂

[silent oak]

The front looks bad but the back is a 10

Too bad it’s huge for what it is

[dire shard]

front could be better, but it's dodge, i don't like american design so as long as it doesn't look like 6th gen charger i'm not expecting much

when i was looking at the pre-release pictures, i was so happy the body lines actually corresponded to the old charger design

that showed to me that it's not a challenger replacement, it's a charger through and through

but ugh

[silent oak]

That’s why the 2019 challenger is so hot

[dire shard]

platform issues

[silent oak]

It’s such a good looking car

It didn’t stray too far from the heritage of it

If you’re gonna be pedantic, the way the new charger looks. It looks more like a dodge designer from the 60s was alive today

Which I do like.. aside from the front.. atleast stick to your heritage and do that cover headlights

[dire shard]

hah... i don't think they can, laws and regulations

but yeah

it has the same hips

it's so

nhujrnhnhmdnhio

HOW did they mess up the platform

[silent oak]

Has the hips of a Latina but the frame of a European

[dire shard]

lb29

pensive

[silent oak]

Yes

And also they wanted to stick an inline 6

Like fuck you doing dodge, stick to v8s not inline 6s like bmw

[dire shard]

the real questions are

how are they going to deal with cafe regulations now

that was the whole reason they discontinued the hemi

[silent oak]

Well ram is coming back with the hemi

But it’s in trucks soo

[dire shard]

what's their plan, especially after they sunk in so much into the hurricane

yeah it'll go to the trucks for sure, i'm just not sure if it'll ever make it to the charger
does the lb platform support it, will they want to do it because they've sunken so much into the hurricane, and how are they planning to deal with the cafe regulations that originally made them discontinue the engine

[silent oak]

Screw Biden era policy

They ruined the challenger

[dire shard]

regretfully, you can't screw the laws and regulations that prevents you from making things

[silent oak]

Tim better make the challenger come back

Probably a bigger middle finger to Carlos too

[dire shard]

i

don't think so

even if tim wanted to

the factory that produced the challenger retooled to produce the charger

[silent oak]

That’s why mopar bros hate Carlos

[dire shard]

that's why everybody on the planet hates carlos, probably

[silent oak]

Even Tesla bros

[dire shard]

running your american company like a european company is one of the decisions of all time

[silent oak]

And I hate teslas

[silent oak]

Running your company like the French more like

[dire shard]

did you hear? carlos was the only person in the entire executive suite who wanted the hemi gone

yuck

tim my saviour

[silent oak]

Carlos be like: yeah fuck the community we have!

[dire shard]

loyal userbase? hah!

[silent oak]

Bruh mopar fans are united on hating Carlos

The charger fans the dodge dart.. the 4 people who like that modern shitmobile and challenger owners hellcat street take over fellas. They can all hate on Carlos

[dire shard]

tbh

they... probably could have just paid the cafe fines lmfao

weren't the fines like 4k off every car

[silent oak]

4k is nothing for a big company

[dire shard]

yeah

[silent oak]

Even if it stacks

They would generate enough profit from sub prime loans from challengers

To pay off 10 fines with a few loans

[dire shard]

i don't have access to what their financial department is thinking, but tbh, discontinuing the entire engine line because 4k goes to fines seems a lot like stepping over dimes to pick up pennies

who knows! i don't have all the information

[silent oak]

Or maybe with the EV credit benefit for the company

A lot like ford

[kind osprey]

A vine energy video

[onyx rivet]

was that you

[kind osprey]

Ye

[night steeple]

holy shit the escalade IQ weighs 4.2 tons

doug demuro cant even stand in front of the car and stay in frame lol

[sage roost]

there's a longER version btw

[paper heath]

these prices make me envy the people born in '70s

[kind osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/NbsSmzVnn4k?si=JG3erFIlC3GqaMAp

[paper heath]

☹️

a car loan does not cover the cost of this one

[kind osprey]

Wdym?

You can't finance it because it is old or something

[kind osprey]

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rjzONAm2/2003-range-rover-hse

Imagine driving this around in the early 2000's

[jagged sentinel]

And look where it got the clown

Bro had a vendetta against fun engines and it effectively cost him his position

Nobody intelligent admits that they like muscle cars

But deep down...

We all do

Jeremy Clarkson said that so I don't wanna hear any "erm yeah but like that's actually not right"

Said that while driving a supercharged RTR mustang, no less

[jagged sentinel]

The other big 2 do

[dire shard]

what an ass regulation, you can just pay to get around it

back in my day, aston martin had to make a damn smart car to get around emission regulations

[sage roost]

when it's Stellantis' entire shtick

[mental lion]

Irs would want to have a conversation

[kind osprey]

Lol

[jagged sentinel]

Drug dealer mobile

[silent oak]

the wannabe gangster car

[static gale]

I love this

[dire shard]

i don't

it hurts

at least his is leather wrapped, the r is straight up aluminum

[static gale]

[onyx rivet]

maybe?

he was the one who greenlit the 350Z and the GTR

[dire shard]

we're talking about carlos tavares

not carlos ghosn

[paper heath]

I cannot finance it because the price has been largely inflated, the starting price for the M3 E30 was 58k deutschmark or 30k euro, and now the lowest prices I can find for one are 24-25k euro. Shit, I've seen some go for 50k to a 100k USD, so I'm in a relatively lucky position

[onyx rivet]

pfftt hahah

my bad

[kind osprey]

Why would the msrp of the car 500 years ago matter for the market value of the car today?

The financing would be for the price it is currently