transportation

[jagged sentinel]

That had to have been at least 4 times the price

If not more

[silent oak]

Did Camaros iroc Z have a competitive game against a GNX

[jagged sentinel]

No

Nothing else from America did but the Corvette

[silent oak]

I love the look of a classic iroc

[jagged sentinel]

The tuning by MCLAREN made sure of that

Yes, that McLaren

[silent oak]

Did corvette take inspiration from Ferrari back then?

[jagged sentinel]

GM literally made bumper sticker for the GNX that said 'we brake for corvettes'

[jagged sentinel]

I'm not sure but I don't think so, mentally comparing the C4 to the 512TR

The C4 ZR1 actually put up a fight against Ferrari and Porsche during its time but thats another conversation

[silent oak]

Like the c8 now.. is just an American Ferrari

[jagged sentinel]

It was the first time I think the vette gave Europe a fight

[jagged sentinel]

It was what the Father of the Corvette wanted from the moment he joined the Corvette project

[silent oak]

If you badged the c8 with Ferrari shit. You’d be convinced

Especially with the track oriented ones

[jagged sentinel]

GM copied Ferrari for the engine

They outright said so

They didn't admit to copying

I should clarify

They took inspiration

[silent oak]

Tell me that this isn’t a near perfect Ferrari job on a c8

[jagged sentinel]

And I'm not being facetious when I say that, that is what actually happened

[jagged sentinel]

Eh

It looks too cheap

[silent oak]

All you need the fancy wheels

[jagged sentinel]

[silent oak]

Wheels can make a cheap car go from 3 to 10

[jagged sentinel]

They can also add nothing to the look if they aren't the right choice

[silent oak]

Cough cough 2000s f&F car

[jagged sentinel]

Steelies on a Lambo ruin the look but the right set of high-end wheels can perfect it

[silent oak]

Like a nice Set on a Corolla in black look good

Looks almost executive

[jagged sentinel]

I don't think a Corolla is worth putting wheels on lol

With all due respect

[silent oak]

Just saying poor man’s “executives “ car

Just imagine dodge made an “executive” trim level on the charger SXT or GT trim level

[jagged sentinel]

I don't really think much of the "executive" style

[jagged sentinel]

They did

It's called the Chrysler 300

[silent oak]

And SRT8 Chrysler

Don’t forget about that car.

[jagged sentinel]

I'm not, that just doesn't cross my mind as an executive car

Same deal with the CTS-V

Base CTS? Executive car

CTS-V? Wealthy car enthusiast or car addict young adult car (salvage title)

[silent oak]

Or poor car enthusiasts

[jagged sentinel]

A decade later yeah

[silent oak]

Can be said about challenger hellcat owners to

[jagged sentinel]

CTS-V with different color fenders and one or both of the running lights out

[silent oak]

I specifically say hellcat because the average yobbo isn’t gonna drive a demon .

[jagged sentinel]

You don't say

[silent oak]

I want a demon for the exact reason, they are cool., cost more then my firearm collection and my car collection

[jagged sentinel]

Man you really like the demon

[silent oak]

If you want to show off a piece of modern American muscle yes

The crate engine by it’s self costs as much as a sedan

[jagged sentinel]

I wonder what it would take to make a engine block into a coffee table

[silent oak]

Cool project

What block?

A big block ?

[jagged sentinel]

An engine block

[silent oak]

I’d love to make a coffee table out of an old big block

There’s plenty of inspiration for ya on Google

[mental lion]

A dead engine with some glass

I oversimplified it there

[silent oak]

How about using a dead expensive engine..

Like a v10 out of a totaled car

[kind osprey]

Ferrari sells one

[silent oak]

For what price?

Will be surprisingly affordable?

[kind osprey]

Absolutely not lmao

https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/mi22/lots/n0002-ferrari-v12-engine-table/

[silent oak]

I want a hemi engine table

But that’s cheap at a salvage yard

[kind osprey]

It would be cheaper to make it yourself with a real Ferrari v12

[silent oak]

You mean a wrecker Ferrari?

[kind osprey]

A working 6.0 or 6.5 Ferrari v12 can't be more than like $100,000-$150,000

So one that is deassembled would be a lot cheaper

You could probably make a better table than the Sotheby's one for less than 50k

Lamborghinis Aventador engine is like $85,000

[silent oak]

I can get a cheap fucking 6.2 L hemi v8

[kind osprey]

Because they were mass produced

[silent oak]

Out of a wrecked out hellcat and make a kicksss coffee table

[jagged sentinel]

If you can find someone selling just selling the bare block

[kind osprey]

V12s from Italian exotics are a whole different ballgame

[kind osprey]

I think an older one would look nicer

[silent oak]

I don’t follow exotics as I can’t afford one

[kind osprey]

Like late 60's early 70's

[silent oak]

With the carburetor as the center table stand?

[kind osprey]

Sure lol

[silent oak]

I want carburetors back

They made engines look cool

[jagged sentinel]

It would be peak if you used like an LS9 or LSA as the main block and have the supercharger sticking through the center of the table

[silent oak]

Oh hell yeah and with a lamp or light source welded on to the super charger?

So I can drink my monsters in an aesthetic environment

[jagged sentinel]

Lighting isn't something I thought of

[silent oak]

Cool lighting in an orange hue

Perhaps in the firing order of said engine

So the lights periodically come on and off

[mental lion]

Add some more and you have a whole 812

[kind osprey]

Normal 812's are like $400,000-$600,000

https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/0125/lots/n0002-1992-ayrton-senna-mclarenhonda-formula-1-shoei-helmet/

Shit I would buy if I won the lottery

@silent oak https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KYa1gO2A/1983-mercury-capri-modified-stock-car

[silent oak]

Holy shit looks like a fun car

[mental lion]

Didnt stradman sell his for 190k?

Nvm

[kind osprey]

They can get lower but 190k might mean something is wrong with it

The lowest you see clean ones go maybe because they are old or high milage is like $280k

[night steeple]

theres this american car from the 90s that has its whole grille light up, like a buick or something, a sedan i think, its shape is late boxy early bubble shaped car
someone help pls

[sage roost]

this?

[jagged sentinel]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/byd-china-ev-maker-charge-five-minutes/

This totally won't exacerbate the already ridiculous fire issues that Chinese EVs are experiencing in China

[steel oar]

Got this today

[static gale]

Now put a predator 212 on it

[dawn drift]

Where is your engine

[static gale]

that's the freedom of choice, baby

we have an old generator with a 10HP motor on it, and with just a new intake and exhaust, I could pop it onto a kart. That's my eventual plan, anyway

[dawn drift]

On atv?

[static gale]

a go kart

[dawn drift]

Nice

[static gale]

I want to get a kit and build it myself

I have some ambitions for the powertrain

[loud spade]

I wish I had the time, money and space for a project

Did I also forget, the experience, tools and parts availability

Best I can do is an oil change and some electrical work

[night steeple]

people keep saying the beetle is the simplest one to start learning hands on
kinda tempting, theyre not expensive

[jagged sentinel]

They made millions of them

Literally

[silent oak]

That totally won’t cause Chinese EVs to have a worse rep then they already have

[jagged sentinel]

You'll find them in every corner of every country on this planet

[jagged sentinel]

[silent oak]

Bet they use the same start up sound that China tech speakers use

“Device is paired”

[night steeple]

ze blutchut device is reedy to pear

[steel oar]

Dont have one

[silent oak]

With a shitty battery low voice too!

[fathom oriole]

@kind osprey

[dawn drift]

F40

[onyx rivet]

i don't think that i have seen an SLR Stirling Moss in red before

i guess thats a wrap or soemthing because the spoiler isnt in the same colour

[kind osprey]

Woah where is this show at

That's an insane lineup

[fathom oriole]

collection of former king of jordan

[kind osprey]

Damn, I guess him selling all those sneakers really paid off... go Bulls!

Hopefully one day they will make a big museam of the Sultan of Brunei's collection

The amount of duplicates of extremely rare cars and one offs he has is egregious

I hope most of them are maintained enough to still run

[jagged sentinel]

[jagged sentinel]

Most of them are several pounds heavier with dust

[mental lion]

And mold

[silent oak]

Hey do any of you know about the manual transmission without a clutch pedal in some cars? Interesting stuff.

Hyundai did a car with one

[kind osprey]

So an automated manual?

[silent oak]

Yeah

Hyundai has an India only vehicle with it

[kind osprey]

Or like an single clutch e transmission with paddles?

Idk it's a very broad thing

[silent oak]

It’s a IMT

[kind osprey]

Anything with an I infront of it for Hyundai is marketing it's not a real term

They call their cvt's ivt's or some dumb stuff like that

[silent oak]

Its a cool system

Idk how complex it is

[kind osprey]

How many decades ago did they do it?

[silent oak]

Hyundai venue S

[kind osprey]

It would be a waste of time and money if it's a recent thing

Dual clutches are faster in every way imaginable for shifting

That's unfortunately why most supercars aren't offered in manual anymore

It's not worth making a slower car to most manufacturers

[silent oak]

Not sure if the demons came with manual trim levels.

I’d love to see a demon swapped with a hellcat Manual

[kind osprey]

Where did you see this? Was it an automated manual or something else because I wonder why they would even offer such a thing

Those were on smart cars over 20 years ago and they sucked

With how mass produced all the good components are I'm surprised they still use things like a 1.1l

Maybe it is for importing and taxes, since india sucks at both

[silent oak]

Yeah but cool concept

But bad in practice

[kind osprey]

Idk what is cool about it

[silent oak]

For those who don’t know manual but want to feel like their driving manual

[kind osprey]

It's a manual without the manual essentially

[kind osprey]

It wouldn't feel like a manual

It is shifting for you still

[silent oak]

I like the shifting noises :3

[kind osprey]

Speaking of Hyundai, in what world is anyone payimg $70,000 for this thing

[jagged sentinel]

No because it's not faster on the drag strip and the drag strip is the demon's entire existence

[silent oak]

What in the god damn..

Your paying 70k which is sports car money for a shitty ionic

[jagged sentinel]

Also the Demon has one of the best launch control systems in the industry and a manual would severely hamper the effectiveness of launch control

[silent oak]

Idk the novelty of a manual transmission demon

[jagged sentinel]

The Demon was built to be fast in the quarter mile

That's it

[silent oak]

It is true. Best looking challenger model imo too

I wish the challenger rts didn’t come with those grill boxes

I love that flat grill with an rt badge

[jagged sentinel]

It's not like they look all that different

[silent oak]

It’s the minor things really

[jagged sentinel]

Like...the hood?

Everything that made the demon unique eventually trickled down the SRT line

[silent oak]

The grill.. the body kit.. the intake lights

[jagged sentinel]

One of the "intake lights" goes nowhere but that's besides the point

[silent oak]

It looks cool

That’s all that matters to me in a challenger

[jagged sentinel]

I think that eventually trickled down to the higher end challenger models too

[silent oak]

I hate how the AWD didn’t go up in the trim levels

[jagged sentinel]

AWD isn't strictly sporty

It is also a cardinal sin for a muscle car

[silent oak]

The police model of the charger has a chance for v8 AWD

[jagged sentinel]

For a short time the previous generation 4-door charger had an R/T AWD version available

SRT8 never got it though

[jagged sentinel]

boy am I not in a good mood today

[silent oak]

I do like how ram is bringing back the 5.7

[jagged sentinel]

It'll still probably be underpowered

[silent oak]

Ram should put the 6.2 hemi into the trucks

[jagged sentinel]

Wait till you find out what the TRX is

[silent oak]

It’s 100k..

[jagged sentinel]

[silent oak]

You think the average American can afford it?

[jagged sentinel]

It's still going to be insanely expensive if they put a supercharged motor in a truck

[silent oak]

It is cool granted.

[jagged sentinel]

Not to mention maintenance and fuel economy, which, believe it or not, is a concern

[silent oak]

And I kinda want one

[jagged sentinel]

I almost didn't notice/s

The next step down from that is the 6.4/392, which they did put in the 2500

I'm curious how the 6.2 would do without a supercharger

[silent oak]

Would it sound half as cool?

[jagged sentinel]

It would just sound like dodge's other performance V8s

[silent oak]

No super charger noises tho

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah that's what I mean

[silent oak]

Probably closer to scat pack

[jagged sentinel]

I'm just curious how much better the fuel economy would be and if maintenance or component service life would be affected by the lack of forced induction

Since it was engineered specifically with forced induction in mind

It would probably get similar performance to the scat pack tbh

[silent oak]

Would it get worse performance because of the heavy truck ?

[jagged sentinel]

I mean just the engine itself

[silent oak]

Or the hellephant

[jagged sentinel]

Honestly I don't think using a performance motor like the 6.2, supercharger or not, in a utility application like a truck is the best idea

The 6.4 in the trucks and the 6.4 in the sports cars are built a bit differently iirc

[silent oak]

What car would benefit in your opinion from the 6.2 outside the obvious

[jagged sentinel]

Nothing that doesn't already have it as an option tbh

[silent oak]

I want a v10 challenger

Idk if the viper v10 would fit in to a challenger without structural fabrication

[jagged sentinel]

With how long the front end of the viper always has been, somehow I doubt it

[silent oak]

Just a fucky idea

Or funny idea putting a small inline in a challenger

Seeing it output 100 hp lol

[jagged sentinel]

How small

[silent oak]

Like a base trim civic engine

2L inline 4

[mental lion]

Sick

[onyx rivet]

must be an irritating issue if you bought it up for the second time

[versed narwhal]

Vancouver Canada

[sage roost]

Look

I am fully convinced you work for Stellantis or one of their brands

[fiery rover]

ah okay 😅

[rose sierra]

English?

[kind osprey]

At that point just own a viper

[silent oak]

Idk the novelty of a v10 challenger is appealing

[mental lion]

The srt10 ram is the closest thing to a challenger v10

[kind osprey]

I feel like they made a v10 Challenger at one small point

Oh they only made 70 of them and they aren't road legal

Rip

[silent oak]

FUCK ME

I want a v10 challenger that’s as fuck off stupid as possible

[silent oak]

Challenger SRT10

[old sedge]

Many Filipinos I know are amazed with Tesla, but afaik, Tesla cars have shit quality.

I'd still choose a Merc over Tesla though

[silent oak]

I’d still do that.. for different reasons

I don’t like euro cars as much( exceptions to that) but I hate EVs. I don’t got many charging stations near me or around to justify the price

[old sedge]

And Tesla invades privacy
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/

I'd stick with hybrids too

[silent oak]

I’d stick with my challenger

Idc it’s a gas hog

[old sedge]

Nissan has a hybrid which has an engine with the only purpose to charge the battery

[silent oak]

You don’t buy a hemi for it’s fucking fuel efficiency

[old sedge]

I would buy a Challenger if it's not overpriced here

[silent oak]

You buy a Cadillac for a lack of fuel efficiency and luxary

[old sedge]

It costs $78,304.16 here and it's just the basic

[silent oak]

Fuck me the SXT?

Or a 5.7 rt

Two vastly different types of people who buy it

[old sedge]

Oh, it's GT 3.6L V6 AT

[silent oak]

Ok if AWD then ish no

[old sedge]

RWD

[silent oak]

You can get a police charger v8 AWD for 10 12 k

[old sedge]

The RT Scratpack costs $95,743.84 here

[silent oak]

Yeah fucking problems longer then a TOS but still

[old sedge]

The SRT8 Hellcat Widebody Supercharged variant costs $100,801.35

I'm sure it's overpriced by US and Canadian standards

[silent oak]

Mostly highway patrols surplus

Still expensive for us Americans

[old sedge]

Wow

[silent oak]

The cost of an SXT is 30k and rts tend to be around 40k

And state dependent.. gas guzzler tax

[old sedge]

A 2025 Dodge Charger 6.4L HEMI V8 R/T Scatpack widebody also costs $100.8k here 😭

[silent oak]

Kinda accurate here too but more so 70k

Plus dealer mark ups

Dealers markup the demons at dealers more

Like 100k msrp going to 130-140k

[old sedge]

That sucks

There's no markup here. The SRPs are as it is

[silent oak]

Financing kills you in the US kills owners

[old sedge]

Most likely because dealers get their units at prices lower than the SRPs which they don't say how much

[silent oak]

People with sub prime loans get shit

[old sedge]

Meh, that's why car dealers prefer loan buyers because they earn through interests

[silent oak]

Almost double the cost in interest

[old sedge]

Car sales agents I met often lose enthusiasm when I say that I would probably buy through cash payment, not financing

[silent oak]

Considering dodges reputation most city folk got sub prime lol

[old sedge]

Idk how popular Dodge is there, but here, buying a Dodge is already like buying an Audi or BMW

On other hand, what if we buy a Jaguar or Audi for Uber?

[silent oak]

I hate uber because they don’t allow former emergency cars

Here in the US

[old sedge]

Good thing there's Lyft

[silent oak]

Seriously if you want to reduce car waste use former cop cars

Make them up to be more comfy sure

[old sedge]

I'd like to have a former US Army Humvee too

It'll be perfect for "beater" off-roader

[silent oak]

Hell yeah

[old sedge]

I heard that the US Army already sell those through auctions

[silent oak]

Yeah here in the US police cars are surplus too

Even older chargers / modern

[kind osprey]

That's such a dumb odd rule

That has to be taxi lobbying idk what else would cause that rule to exist

I see a shit ton of airport taxis and cab services use decommissioned cop cars

[jagged sentinel]

All my homies taxi lobbying

[jagged sentinel]

Yes, but keep in mind that "military grade" means different things in the military world and civilian world

"military grade" in the military world simply means "it works"

[fiery rover]

New Porsche Boxster 718 Hybride 2026

[silent oak]

It would also reduce car waste by a lot

It would end cars that would be usable outside the emergency area going to the wreckers

[jagged sentinel]

Third-party render btw

That being said, it's not far off

I couldn't find any photos with good clarity without an obnoxious watermark so sorry about that

A shame it's supposedly going to be electric

[loud spade]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JBANxWDpTTs?si=-cs_h8ibd93xDpCy

[fiery rover]

yes it will be electric, that's what it says on the site

[woeful grove]

trens

[fiery rover]

don't worry, It is recognizable by the sun even though it is black 😄

[mental lion]

Try not to make the next gen of a car worse

[swift olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W_eblM0Hao

||"Moral of the story: Get you an F90 Competition and find that tune!" -lol||

[dire shard]

it's the only m5 worth buying in that lineup anyways

the f10 is a nightmare to buy used, and we don't talk about the g90

[sage roost]

But the $20k price tag next to an F10 for sale keeps flirting with me

[dire shard]

20k price tag, 35k price bill to replace the s63b44t0 before labour for installation

[silent oak]

I want an m6 if I’m gonna buy bmw

[drifting summit]

i drove a crown vic for a while, i did doordash though LOL i simply could not afford the gas that thing hogged

literal alcoholic of a car. that mileage was abysmal but DAMN was it fun as fuck to drive

i miss it dearly some days

[sage roost]

how bulletproof are crown Vics

and it's variations

[kind osprey]

That mule car looks way too 911'y

Why would they do that

[jagged sentinel]

Define bulletproof

[sage roost]

Doesnt break

[jagged sentinel]

Bulletproof as in impossible to kill with poor habits or literally bulletproof

Ok

[jagged sentinel]

The body is body on frame, which means it's durable

And crown vics have a reputation for that

[sage roost]

what about the drivetrain

[jagged sentinel]

And the engine, while having a bad rep in just about every other vehicle it's been put in, is weirdly quite reliable in vics and other panther bodies

The diff is its weak point though, they were limited to like 140 mph iirc because the differential would explode past a certain speed

[sage roost]

standard ford stuff

[jagged sentinel]

Driveshaft or diff, one of the two I can't remember

I haven't really heard much about the gearbox, which, in a car that's known for being a cheap shitbox nowadays (at least the P71 interceptors), isn't a bad thing

I think it's a 4-speed heavy-duty sludgebox

[sage roost]

it's a 4 speed yes

here last MY crown Vics go for around $5k

[silent oak]

I want an AWD charger it’s cool and n shit

[opal forum]

The F90

Though i kinda like the pre-LCI one a bit more

[empty niche]

which one would you rather

[fast edge]

how is the buzzy that expensive

100k eypo

[old sedge]

Sometimes, I'm thinking if I should buy a Subaru. Friend of mine said that one common issue with Subaru cars is aircon breaking easily, at least in Philippines

[warm halo]

depends on what suburu you buy.

and the year

[night steeple]

fuck it buy the GTR, the prices will go up unlike the bus which starts depreciating the moment you buy it lol

besides you get to own the most overrated jay dee emm car ever

[silent oak]

Eh the Supra is probably more.

Idk GTR and Supra kids are in the same boat

[jagged sentinel]

The supra is more misunderstood than overrated tbh

The GTRs get the attention the NSX deserves

[silent oak]

I love NSXs

I like 1990s nsxs

[jagged sentinel]

The first gen NSX is one of the best enthusiast cars ever made

[silent oak]

The type r is so rare

How do you feel about the Acura NSX?

[jagged sentinel]

Which one

[silent oak]

The new 2022 model

It gets 22mpg from a 3.5L v6

[jagged sentinel]

It's stayed true to what it was, it just wasn't as unique and novel a concept as it was back then

[jagged sentinel]

22 highway 21 city

The city number being so close to the highway number is what stands out

[silent oak]

Too bad it costs so much

[jagged sentinel]

Thanks no doubt to its hybrid system

[silent oak]

it costs as much as a dodge demon

[jagged sentinel]

Man you really like that car

[silent oak]

Yeah.. ever since I got to test drive one I want one

[jagged sentinel]

Nice

Fastest car I've ever Driven (capital D drive btw) was an R8

[silent oak]

Idk if you ever been in an 800 hp beast with a comfortable interior

[jagged sentinel]

I know what a Challenger's interior looks like

[silent oak]

I ripped a demon across the Vegas speedway

[jagged sentinel]

And I think it goes without saying that the R8's interior is nicer

Especially because the demon is a little lighter on creature comforts than the other Challengers

And also because it's a dodge but that's implied

[silent oak]

Well I never been in an Audi lol or any other foreign car

[jagged sentinel]

It was the first and only foreign car I think I've ever driven

[silent oak]

The dodge at the track had the red and black interior color

[jagged sentinel]

And it remains one of the highlights of the past 5 years of my life

[jagged sentinel]

Same with the R8 I was in

[silent oak]

Damn what year?

[jagged sentinel]

Black and grey with red stitching

[jagged sentinel]

2019 iirc

It was the R8 performance plus or some shit

[silent oak]

I want to test drive an bmw m6

[jagged sentinel]

You wouldn't believe how easy that car is to drive

[silent oak]

One of the few German cars I like is a bmw

[jagged sentinel]

It may have been arrogant to do but I kinda stopped listening to my instructor halfway through my track time

[silent oak]

Ha. My instructor in the demon told me to gun it

[jagged sentinel]

So did mine

[silent oak]

He might or might not of told me to do a burn out in

[jagged sentinel]

But he was giving me pointers on driving lines and stuff but once I knew the track I didn't really need them because of how easy the thing was to drive

It's difficult to describe

I did pay attention for braking zones and other cars though, because I wasn't the only one on track

I wanna do that again but I wanna drive either a Porsche GT3RS or the mustang GT500

Or maybe the red-eye that they have but I like the idea of a car that can perform in the corners too

[silent oak]

I want to drive a ford gt lol

[jagged sentinel]

Sound is high on my priority list, and the 2nd gen GT doesn't do that for me

[silent oak]

Never actually test drove a Lamborghini before in my time in Vegas it’s been muscle cars

[jagged sentinel]

Part of why the R8 was so awesome to drive, I love the sound of that V10, more than the Aventador

Always have

Honestly I think the GT3RS would be my next choice, I wanna hear that NA Flat 6 scream

[silent oak]

I love the engine notes of an m6 v10

[jagged sentinel]

Doesn't the M6 have a V8

Wait which M6 are you on about

[silent oak]

The 2010 one had a v10

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah the one after that (and the one I think of when I hear m6) has a V8

And it's successor has a V8 too

[silent oak]

Btw how can you get your car to pop n bang like those race / rally cars?

[jagged sentinel]

Overrun

[silent oak]

Can a 5.7 hemi be tuned to make those noises ?

[jagged sentinel]

Maybe

Burble tunes aren't good for the car though

[silent oak]

Hmm but I love the noise of it

Almost as sexy as a turbo whine

[jagged sentinel]

Turbos don't whine

Generally

[silent oak]

Isn’t it the whistling noises ?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

[silent oak]

Never heard a challenger turbo charged

[mental lion]

Was it first or 2nd gen?

[jagged sentinel]

Because the 5.7s and especially 6.4s aren't well-suited for forced induction

[jagged sentinel]

2019

So tail end of 2nd gen

[mental lion]

Oh this one’s great

Its slept on

[silent oak]

What’s your favorite performance cars?

[jagged sentinel]

Camaro ZL1, R8, Mustang GT350R, maybe an R35 GTR for dailyable (ish) performance cars

[silent oak]

Hmm would you consider the rt a performance car?

Or is it bordering the line?

[jagged sentinel]

Actually idk if I'd daily a G5350

[jagged sentinel]

Not really

[silent oak]

Scat pack?

[jagged sentinel]

Sports car territory

The 5.7 is just underpowered for a sports car engine

Especially in a car that weighs as much as a challenger

[mental lion]

Sxt?

Jk

[silent oak]

Ja gt?

[jagged sentinel]

[jagged sentinel]

Huh?

[silent oak]

Awd gt is fucking awesome

[jagged sentinel]

What AWD GT

[silent oak]

Challenger

[jagged sentinel]

NPC car tbh

I'm sure it's fine as a daily, just not very interesting

[silent oak]

Giving me ideas I shouldn’t have mate.. rally modded challenger

[jagged sentinel]

You said it not me

[mental lion]

Raid spec challenger

[jagged sentinel]

Someone's probably already done it anyway

[silent oak]

Yes. Strip the interior out to bare minimum of what’s safety..

[jagged sentinel]

Which is...most of the dashboard

[mental lion]

Challenger wont do well at rally

Even stripped out

[jagged sentinel]

Airbags

Though if you're rallying airbags will literally just make things worse

[silent oak]

I hate taking out air bags

[jagged sentinel]

So you may as well remove them, in which case say goodbye to road use

[silent oak]

Yep if I do want a rally car for weekends..

[jagged sentinel]

You'd need a truck and trailer too

[mental lion]

A ranch too

[jagged sentinel]

If you plan on modifying it in such a way that prohibits road use

Like removing airbags

[silent oak]

Ram ranch

[jagged sentinel]

[silent oak]

Do you gents got any obscure cars you like?

[jagged sentinel]

TVR Cerbera Speed 12

[silent oak]

I love the peugot 206

Not known for any American

[jagged sentinel]

That is the very last thing I expected you to like

[silent oak]

It’s a decent French car.

[mental lion]

Delta integrale

[jagged sentinel]

French cars are crap

[mental lion]

But it’s not obscure enough

[jagged sentinel]

Even the French will say that

[silent oak]

I love me old datsun shit boxes

[mental lion]

Except for a certain brand

[silent oak]

Cough cough Nissan Cherry

[mental lion]

With a certain price tag

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah except those guys

[silent oak]

I know that.. It’s the only French car that looks good

It looks so stupid lol

[jagged sentinel]

I can smell the lack of build quality

[silent oak]

Looks like a civic got a rear job

[jagged sentinel]

From an image

[mental lion]

I remember this from underground 2

[silent oak]

Datsun 100A another car the NA market never got

It’s a Nissan cherry yeah

But holy fuck it’s in my summer car so I like it

[mental lion]

Na market didn’t get alot of great cars

Like 1st gen A class

[jagged sentinel]

I guess an obscure car that I like the Mercedes 190E Evo II

It's a homologation special for the DTM series

[silent oak]

Damn

[jagged sentinel]

Sexy

It looks like something AMG would have made were they officially part of Mercedes back then

[silent oak]

Looks like a rich daddy’s boy modded their daddy’s merc

[mental lion]

I prefer the hammer over it but both are great

[jagged sentinel]

Hammer is cool too

[silent oak]

I like the Volvo 240

Love older Volvos.

[jagged sentinel]

Swedish brick

[silent oak]

The better lada

[jagged sentinel]

Is the noble M600 considered obscure

[silent oak]

The lada itself was just fiat car re branded

[mental lion]

Id say yeah barely anyone knows it

[silent oak]

I’d say yes.

Never heard of noble lol

[jagged sentinel]

Among car enthusiasts it's a more well-known vehicle, because that's who it was made for

The Alfa Romeo Disco Volante is a favorite of mine too, especially because of how it sounds

Top gear did a segment on it and it's probably one of the best made segments in the entire top gear catalogue

[silent oak]

Lancia is really only well known for rally cars

[jagged sentinel]

Rally cars from 30-50 years ago yeah

[silent oak]

Yeah good rally cars

[jagged sentinel]

They are a joke now compared to back then

[jagged sentinel]

"good" is undercutting it but point taken

[silent oak]

Is there any other rally cars manufacturers besides Subaru?

For modern rally

[mental lion]

Toyota

[jagged sentinel]

Mitsubishi, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Fiat, Toyota, Audi, Citroen off the top of my head

Actually Mitsubishi themselves aren't officially in the WRC anymore

[silent oak]

Man we lost a lot of rally giants

VW? Are they still in the WRC?

[jagged sentinel]

No

[silent oak]

that VW polo r was cool

[jagged sentinel]

You continue to surprise me

[silent oak]

I know some European cars..

I really like the rally raid peugot 3008

Too bad it was a dkr only thing

Same with a lot of the DKR versions of cars

[jagged sentinel]

Trucks are my favorite class in Dakar, especially because due to the story of how that class came to be

[silent oak]

What’s your favorite race truck?

[jagged sentinel]

Kamaz have been dominating that class for years so

[silent oak]

Mine is the

The hilux or the 3008 DKR

Idk if you’d count the 3008 as a truck lol

[jagged sentinel]

We are talking about different classes

[jagged sentinel]

Not in Dakar

[silent oak]

What the difference?

[jagged sentinel]

I believe these are in the Cars class

This is what the vehicles in the Trucks class look like

Absolute monsters purpose built for Dakar

[silent oak]

How big of engine

[jagged sentinel]

13 liter Turbo Diesel I6

[silent oak]

God that would be ripper

I also know the ram 2500 had a rally version too

[jagged sentinel]

They can supposedly hit 137 miles an hour

On sand

[silent oak]

Totally street legal !

[jagged sentinel]

But they're limited by regulation to 100

[jagged sentinel]

Most of the truck is hollow

The space behind the cab is mostly scaffolding and spare parts

[silent oak]

Is it mid engine?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

[silent oak]

Loud fucker?

[jagged sentinel]

It was never intended for road use, in case that wasn't insultingly obvious

[jagged sentinel]

Probably

Turbos no doubt muffle it a bit though

[silent oak]

Do you like motorcycle in Dakar?

[jagged sentinel]

Meh

[silent oak]

It’s a long dirt bike road

[jagged sentinel]

If they're on a road at all and not just traces on sand

I don't share the affinity for motorcycles

[silent oak]

I do sorta. I like Harley’s

[jagged sentinel]

Harley-Davidson is a stagnant brand and the stereotypes their riders have don't help

No offense

[silent oak]

I’m a huge Indian fan too

[jagged sentinel]

My Grandpa on my mom's side had a Harley

[silent oak]

Damn

[jagged sentinel]

My use of past tense probably indicates his current state

[silent oak]

Yeah most motorcycle drivers have that exact problem

[jagged sentinel]

He didn't die in a crash

[silent oak]

Or was injured in a crash?

[jagged sentinel]

His death was not motorcycle related

He'd sold the bike years before his death

[silent oak]

Hmm sorry for ya loss

[jagged sentinel]

Thanks

[silent oak]

My old friend.. he got into a moped accident in school so he didn’t drive one after

I know mopeds the brunt of jokes by motorcycle riders

[jagged sentinel]

One of my dad's best friends died in a horrific way in a motorcycle crash, which is why he doesn't like them and part of the reason I don't either

[silent oak]

I do own a dirt bike tho

[jagged sentinel]

Dirt bikes are different to me

[silent oak]

That’s how I learned to ride

[jagged sentinel]

Since the only person responsible for injuries sustained when riding a dirtbike is usually yourself, which isn't the case for road bikes

[silent oak]

I did fuck up my favorite jacket lol

I can tell you, wiping out in muddy weather isn’t fun

[jagged sentinel]

You don't say

[silent oak]

Have experience on a dirt bike?

[jagged sentinel]

No

I just think that falling in the mud sucks shit regardless of the context

[silent oak]

I hated cleaning my boots out of mud lol

Especially my cowboy boots

[jagged sentinel]

Hiking in mud is also unpleasant as it happens

[silent oak]

Those are my riding boots in a car/ dirt bike

[jagged sentinel]

I don't know if I'd rather hike/backpack in mud or on shale

[silent oak]

I hate hiking in December in my state

[jagged sentinel]

I wanna go backpacking again, it was challenging but I enjoyed it

Hiking in the cold would probably suck more than hiking in the peak of summer in west bumfuck new Mexico

[silent oak]

Soo I gotta ask. What was the first car you had?

[jagged sentinel]

2003 F150

[silent oak]

Nice

POS?

[jagged sentinel]

It had (or maybe it didn't, I couldn't tell) a cylinder 5 misfire the entire time we had it

[silent oak]

Average ford truck things

[jagged sentinel]

Other than a fucking wheel coming off down the road it was perfectly reliable

[jagged sentinel]

The wiring harness was done in a DIY fashion

It also had a code for a driver's side rear window motor fault

[silent oak]

Just like my second car

[jagged sentinel]

(It was a single cab with no power windows)

The only powered thing in it was a radio and air conditioning

It also had a lift and bigger tires

Lemme see if I have a photo

[silent oak]

Ah nice

[jagged sentinel]

It was a farm truck from Arkansas with 200k on it when we got it

Remarkably it was almost rust-free

The gas mileage was fucking abysmal

It was a V6 with an X-pipe for some reason

[silent oak]

Ha like any ford

[jagged sentinel]

Nah, it was just this one

The engine was impossible to kill though

[mental lion]

I want a ford excursion

[naive thorn]

yes

[loud spade]

Dayum that’s clean

[silent oak]

It’s a nice truck

[jagged sentinel]

Easy there

[silent oak]

Not as fun as trying to get your car to pop n bang

But anyways.. nice car

[jagged sentinel]

You'll be burning through catalytic converters faster doing that

Mufflers too

[silent oak]

I don’t have a muffler?

Fucking took the bitch off a month after getting my rt

[jagged sentinel]

My mistake

[silent oak]

Now needing a straight pipe

Atleast my state doesn’t require inspections :3

[jagged sentinel]

I don't like straight pipes most of the time

[silent oak]

I want a straight pipe after hearing a hellcats with no muffler / straight pipe

[jagged sentinel]

4/5 times it doesn't really improve the sound that much

If at all

[silent oak]

Hellcats are loud. I want it louder

Gunshot range

Seriously hellcats get up gun shot range in decibels

[jagged sentinel]

I grew out of the I-"need"-it-as-loud-as-possible thing

[jagged sentinel]

Coyotes make hellcats sound quiet

[silent oak]

What decibel level?

[jagged sentinel]

Never cared enough to look

It's not worth the trouble anyways, you can have a good sounding car and not piss off everyone around you

Including police

[silent oak]

I want loud cuz if I have hellcat I’m not gonna make it any less quiet

[jagged sentinel]

They're already loud enough and honestly don't sound much better with straight pipes

[silent oak]

A straight piped hellcat can give you tinnitus soo

Little bit of hellcat know how

[jagged sentinel]

That's literally my entire point

It's just obnoxious and unnecessary

[silent oak]

My friend has a straight piped merc and it’s loud

[jagged sentinel]

Good for him

[silent oak]

Gets my mind wandering.. would a demon with straight pipes be louder.. then a hellcat?

[jagged sentinel]

I was wondering when the demon was going to be mentioned

But probably not as it's mostly the same motor with a bigger blower and some tweaks

[silent oak]

Yeah.. sounds fun

[jagged sentinel]

Debatable

[static gale]

reading the constant loop of "yeah, this sucks btw, but I want it" is taxing on my mind

[jagged sentinel]

Lol

[silent oak]

Give me an idea and I’ll dwell on it

[tacit hollow]

Yo can someone help me rq I just got the game

[jagged sentinel]

Proper exhaust kit

[stuck owl]

@tacit hollow, please use the appropriate LFG (Looking For Group) channel:

Cayo Perico: #pc-l｜cayo-perico-lfg
Casino: #pc-l｜casino-lfg
Old Heist: #pc-l｜old-heist-lfg
Vehicles: #pc-l｜vehicles-lfg
Everything else: #pc-l｜other-lfg

Requested by: @static gale

[silent oak]

Only on my daily eco cruiser sorry

[jagged sentinel]

Just for the record, I like loud cars as much as the next car guy, but there's a limit to what what I would consider reasonable

[silent oak]

Like casual loud?

[jagged sentinel]

Not straight pipe loud

[silent oak]

Not rally/ race car loud

[jagged sentinel]

Not wake-up-everyone-in-earshot loud

Somewhere in the middle of straight pipe and stock levels of volume

[silent oak]

So no Harley level B

Ok

Good to know

[jagged sentinel]

Those have mufflers

[silent oak]

Some…

[jagged sentinel]

And cats apparently

Stock Harleys have mufflers

[silent oak]

Most hardcore Harley riders take em out

[jagged sentinel]

Part of the reason they get a bad rep

Obnoxiously loud motorcycle with no bite to match the bark

Gigantic motors for a motorcycle and yet they have ridiculously low compression and no power

[silent oak]

Sounds like a Harley

[jagged sentinel]

Harley is actively trying to change their age demographic, too

But they're still stuck with the douchebag biker gang and boomer stereotypes

They haven't made a proper sports bike in decades

I really am curious what they'd come up with if they decided to make a proper crotch rocket

Instead of just a smaller sportier version of their cruisers or cafe racer type bikes, or bikes that look like bikes they made half a century ago

[silent oak]

I love older Harley’s

I swear the old street glides

[jagged sentinel]

Street glides are what everyone thinks of when someone says Harley Davidson

And that's the problem Harley Davidson seems to be having with itself

[silent oak]

Harley is having a mid life crisis

[jagged sentinel]

Indian is doing what Harley-Davidson is trying to do, and doing it better than Harley Davidson ever will in due time

[silent oak]

Doesn’t Indian have more classic offerings?

[jagged sentinel]

They're still making bikes

[silent oak]

I want one like this Indian scout

[jagged sentinel]

Also define classic offering

From what the Internet is telling me, Indian bikes tend to have more modernized technology and internals to Harleys

[silent oak]

I like older bikes imo

Carbureted

My buddy who has a Harley prefers em

[jagged sentinel]

Carburators will always have its fans

I'm not one of them

[silent oak]

I’m just going off my motorcycle buddy’s opinion

But he’s biased so

[jagged sentinel]

I don't know any bikers, plus I like to formulate my own opinion on everything, regardless of how much I know about the subject 🤓

Fuel injection is just...better

[silent oak]

But carbureted feels classic

[jagged sentinel]

Because it is

The only benefit carbs have nowadays is that they are cheaper and easier to work on

Fuel injection does virtually everything else better than carburators

[silent oak]

Any benefits to carbureted cars instead of fuel injection?

[jagged sentinel]

They're easier to work on and cheaper to replace

...

Yeah

[silent oak]

And are kinda cool

[jagged sentinel]

That's kinda it

Subjective

[silent oak]

I love older cars

[jagged sentinel]

I like em too

Despite what I may have led you to believe from previous statements

[silent oak]

Btw the funny thing. In 3 years an 2008 srt 8 will be classic lol

Since 20 year

[jagged sentinel]

Depends on what you define as classic

[silent oak]

I classify it as 20 years or older

[jagged sentinel]

I say 40 years old defines a classic car

[silent oak]

Isn’t that vintage or is classic just a name all term for that?

[jagged sentinel]

It's kinda relative and arbitrary tbh

Depends on who you ask

[silent oak]

Yeah

[jagged sentinel]

Vintage to me is 65-70 years old and older

[silent oak]

I swear my man 90s cars are being labeled classics to me

[jagged sentinel]

Legally they can be

[silent oak]

After 25 years a car becomes classic technically

Isn’t it 20 or 25?

[jagged sentinel]

But registering it as a classic car restricts its usability severely

[jagged sentinel]

25

[silent oak]

Do you find it funny a civic from the 90s could be classic lol

[jagged sentinel]

It's funny to think about

[silent oak]

The ones that haven’t been taken to the axe block of JDM

What car do think would be funny to consider a classic?

The Pontiac Aztec

God such a dumb car

[dire shard]

i'd say celicas, but if you actually saw the first generation of celica you'd start drooling

i know i do

[silent oak]

Looks like a Japanese mustang body lol

[dire shard]

so lovely

[silent oak]

Was that the trend of that era?

[dire shard]

yeah

[silent oak]

Copying mustang body’s

[jagged sentinel]

There was an odd trend of companies copying whatever mustang was like 5 years old at the time

[dire shard]

because the mustang was a huge success

[jagged sentinel]

For better or for worse, the mustang is an icon

[dire shard]

it wasn't only japanese companies

the camaro was originally an answer to the mustang too

[silent oak]

Idk how to feel bout the first gen gtr.

It looks cool but so strange

Looks like less bricky Volvo 240

[jagged sentinel]

As was the challenger

Not many people understand that, weirdly

[silent oak]

Then wasn’t the charger the first competition?

[jagged sentinel]

No, because the charger was older than the mustang and in a different segment of the market

[silent oak]

I’ve seen the first gen charger

[jagged sentinel]

There was no competition for the mustang when it was released

[silent oak]

IT IS WIERD

[jagged sentinel]

It created the pony car segment

[silent oak]

What’s the weirdest car created in competition to another?

Like first gen model Japanese celica was just a mustang looking ass car.

[jagged sentinel]

The very first Lamborghini

[dire shard]

early japanese cars looking like muscle cars is not weird, considering the success of the mustang and other american muscle cars it was actually very expected

[silent oak]

It’s got that fucking cat eye style headlights

Idk that’s how I see the headlight design

[jagged sentinel]

I'd argue that the mustang of ye old days should be called a pony car

[dire shard]

stop arguing i'm right 🔫

[jagged sentinel]

You absolutely are

[dire shard]

😎

idk i could give a rats ass about muscle cars, so the early japanese cars are the closest thing to caring about them as i can get

[silent oak]

If a classic mustang is pony car.. then what is a classic challenger?

[jagged sentinel]

"nobody intelligent admits that they like muscle cars. But deep down... Well all do"

[jagged sentinel]

A pony car

[dire shard]

true

[jagged sentinel]

Because it was Chrysler's answer to the mustang and Camaro

[jagged sentinel]

Remember who said that

[dire shard]

no clue

probably a hammond quote

[jagged sentinel]

Clarkson, actually

[dire shard]

of course

because clarkson would say "nobody wants to admit it but they love them" but hammond would say "everybody loves them"

[jagged sentinel]

Hammond openly admits to loving muscle cars

[silent oak]

I remember watching the top gear episode on Columbia lol

[jagged sentinel]

Lmao

[dire shard]

ye

[jagged sentinel]

And America loves him for it in return

[silent oak]

I fucking remember how clarkson just told the few to fuck off out of the town

It’s the grand tour

[jagged sentinel]

It's fairly obvious that he has an affinity for the mustang if you watch his YouTube channel

[dire shard]

you mean how he

bought one in the uk where it wasn't offered

[jagged sentinel]

Multiple times, might I add

[dire shard]

across multiple decades

[jagged sentinel]

And he also said that, during the Detroit episode (my personal favorite, clearly) that he'd keep the mustang Clarkson drove if given a choice between the three

[dire shard]

yeah

i would too

[jagged sentinel]

The RTR spec 3 is badass man

[dire shard]

i mean among the other two cars they had, i'd go with that too

[silent oak]

What’s your favorite clip from fucking top gear?

[jagged sentinel]

Initially my first choice was the Camaro but I find myself drawn to the mustang more as time passes

[dire shard]

the challenger that hammond couldn't drag, and john scumbag hennessy's camaro

[jagged sentinel]

https://youtu.be/DxF9vFJezRA?si=d5HRVyQMQQ6zmtda

No question about it

Probably the best-made segment they've ever done

[silent oak]

I love the compilation of Jeremy and the boys shitting on the juke

That’s my favorite bit

My favorite segment..

[jagged sentinel]

It's literally required to be a car person /s

Like hating the Kia soul

[silent oak]

How about hating on early Gen Priuses?

You forgot that

[jagged sentinel]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/report-hemi-v-8-engines-dundee-return-dodge-ram/

With the power of hindsight, a lot of us saw it coming

Either way

[dire shard]

they should redesign the charger chassis instead of stuffing a v8 in there
fucking thing is too heavy without an engine, let alone with the hurricane, let alone with a hemi

imagine making a worse challenger

and then making it more expensive

no one but stellantis

[sterile kayak]

Simple solution if you want a charger hellcat, get a crown Victoria, supercharge it, it’s lighter and better looking

And cheaper

[old sedge]

Speaking of classic, isn't there a classic Plymouth Superbird muscle car too?

[jagged sentinel]

[jagged sentinel]

There are a lot of classic muscle cars

[old sedge]

I want Dom Toretto's car at Tokyo Drift

[sage roost]

Apparently they're selling the top-of-the-line EV Daytona charger for low 30s

and I STILL wouldn't justify the price tbh

[sterile kayak]

It’s a genius and cheap idea

Same engine koenigsegg used in some of their cars

[jagged sentinel]

There are a few things between a basic 2-valve in a panther body and a fucking Koenigsegg motor

They also buy crate motors, which are not tuned or built specifically for a given vehicle, which isn't the case for motors that come in cars🤓

Koenigsegg themselves also made dramatic improvements to the engine itself

I know this is probably satire but I'm too sleep deprived to not say anything, plus I'm also just an ass

[kind osprey]

the boat

[jagged sentinel]

McLaren getting its ass whipped by a Dodge charger

Corny ahh

[dire shard]

bikini bottom tandem course

[sterile kayak]

The first production car had a crown Victoria V8 because they needed it desperately then it was tuned but was originally from a crown vic

[kind osprey]

Engine roots is a funny way of saying they just took the lower portion of the block and improved everything imaginable from there

Koenigsegg is an engineering company at heart, so building off of an existing engine, and making it their own when they were new was a good way to start

[jagged sentinel]

Engine roots

[jagged sentinel]

The block itself is probably a forged one, too

Ok maybe not the block but a lot of the components were likely forged

As pushing a crown Vic motor to make 655 horsepower with stock internals would result in...

Rapid and unscheduled kinetic disassembly

[dire shard]

spontaneous undesirable combustion

[jagged sentinel]

Or, more ideally, whatever component fails from the boost first

As the CC8S had not one but two superchargers

[dire shard]

it would cause a major compromise in the reliability record of the motor vehicle

[jagged sentinel]

And if, by some miracle, the engine can deliver that power into the transmission without such an event, the transmission may experience a thermal reconfiguration event in short order

[jagged sentinel]

17 pounds of boost apparently

Koenigsegg says 1.2 bar

[dire shard]

if they used ford engines, they'll end up ford

found on road dead

[jagged sentinel]

You beat me to it

Damnit

I drive a Ford and work at a Ford dealership I'm supposed to be the Ford hater here

[dire shard]

😎

my car is basically a ford we on the train

[jagged sentinel]

Touché

[sterile kayak]

This sounds beautiful

[mental lion]

I think the only similar between the crown vic and koenigsegg is the engine shape

[jagged sentinel]

Even that...

Consider that it's a supercar and mid-engined, so it's gonna be a little more dressed up, especially considering how Koenigsegg uniquely handled the engine cover dilemma

[jagged sentinel]

For like half a second

Then you will get one final explosion, outside of the combustion chambers, in (hopefully not) spectacular fashion

[sonic wren]

What happens if another car goes to park in your spot on a Bluetooth ghost? I'd imagine the whip just goes to the next one for a commuter right?

[sage roost]

Fix or repair daily

[sonic wren]

A location tag becomes vital at a certain point

[jagged sentinel]

What

[sonic wren]

Its pushing it in a 2017. If I have my whip ghost parked as a commuter, what happens if someone goes into my spot?

[jagged sentinel]

[sonic wren]

That's the original idea I was getting at. Unknown or not that's pushing it for a 17 computer.

[jagged sentinel]

Still not following

[sonic wren]

I would probably think about adding a backup camera, or seriously consider it.

[jagged sentinel]

[sonic wren]

That's the plausible solution, while using integrated GPS. The idea hasn't come up yet, it's a what if? Scenario

[jagged sentinel]

[dire shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1186363016481095752/1353909331875332096/VID_896931020_070805_163.mp4?ex=67e40693&is=67e2b513&hm=fc66bcb22d7596edfac37f6b82a05ea6129681d6e9b6ab97fc2f5773186e2557&

bro got the schizo tail lights

[rose sierra]

Look how the diff broke 😧

[steady cove]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdR9UAJY/

Found epiks tiktok

[night steeple]

has anyone jailbroken the dodge charger so the exhaust speakers play music? that'd be funny as hell

[dawn drift]

Nice colored E36

[sterile kayak]

Still more reliable than a hellcat

[rose sierra]

Thanks its alaskablau🔥

But new ones montrealblau

Darker blue

[fleet owl]

What in the diy polishing did they do to their car

[naive thorn]

it adds texture

[sonic wren]

Unsure, I'd recommend using aftercare daily in any diy type paint job. Panels with a split like that need a wash or quick check .

[fleet owl]

Not my car but yeah they should do that

[jagged sentinel]

Reliability is, weirdly, one of the few things the hellcat motor doesn't struggle with

It's impressive that dodge was able to make an engine with that much power, at that price, actually reliable

The only V8 Chrysler makes that has a dodgy rep is their cheapest one, the 5.7

[opal forum]

I am about to vomit, thanks.

[silent oak]

Me sad..

I have the entry level v8 challenger

[mental lion]

Atleast its a v8

[silent oak]

My sweet belle is a beaut

[jagged sentinel]

For what it's worth you're probably okay

They largely solved the infamous lifter tick and the heads won't shit themselves anymore

If you take good care of it can last you into 6-figures

And I know you love that car and I'd wager you do take care of the motor at least

And the transmission is one thing you will never have to worry about, as the ZF8HP is one of the best automatics ever made

[silent oak]

That I do

Clean it regular oil changes

General Maintenance intervals

[sonic wren]

My slider has panels like that and I noticed right away. Typically helps the paint to rinse everyday, especially in humid climates. Washing everyday is pushing it depending on if you use graphine and how it effects your vehicle. I'd say 2-3 times a week is optimal but graphine blasting everytime isn't always the best idea. I'm learning more about graphine aftercare for modern paint design.

[old sedge]

For some reason, I think I like the Nissan Z.

Unlike the previous Z sports cars like 350Z and so on, it has V6 turbocharged engine

[dire shard]

it's a good car, nobody dislikes it

they're just selling for far more than they should be worth, especially with markups

you could buy an older r35 with some of the markups that dealers charge

simultaneously, toyota purposefully doesn't build enough supras

between dealer greed and company greed, nobody can buy either car because one is overpriced and the other is hard to find

and they wonder why this type of car is dying

[old sedge]

Isn't Supra about to end?

Toyota is already preparing to build its final edition

[dire shard]

maybe they'll follow in nissan's footsteps and make like ten final editions like nissan did for the gtr

[old sedge]

Here in Ph, I'd buy a Nissan Z or Toyota Supra or Ford Mustang over GTR purely for affordability

Even from used car market

And it would be a shame if Supra ends

I'd say the most beautiful modern JDM would be the Honda/Acura NSX

[dire shard]

unfortunately they're not selling

what with toyota not making enough of them to begin with, with it aligning with z4 ceasing production, with interest rates going up, and toyota dealerships also putting ridiculous markups on their cars

i think it's unlikely we see either nameplate after this

toyota because it don't make money, nissan because... nissan has no money

[old sedge]

Couldn't they follow a "uniform" SRP like in Ph?

Car dealers here surely get their cars lower than indicated in the SRP, the only time people pay more than the SRP is during interests when they buy during inhouse financing

[dire shard]

sounds more like a question of economy and laws rather than firm decision

[old sedge]

Cash buyers can often get small discounts too

The problem with cash buying is it can make tax authorities tax customers more

And of course, it means less emergency funds

But yeah, a uniform SRP without markups while allowing dealers to buy cars they're gonna sell way cheaper than the SRP would give customers better ideas what to expect

[dire shard]

in a free economy, firms will charge as high as they can get before consumers decide to go buy something else

every dollar increase is an increase in opportunity cost

in the case of the nissan z, they had markups as high as 80k-100k, i think i've seen one at 140k - buyers can buy a decent cba r35 with that money and have money left over for maintenancd

supras went for 80k - people opted for buying a c8 corvette instead

[old sedge]

80k for Supra? Still cheaper than here

[dire shard]

if there's a uniform rate of some kind, then the economy is just more controlled, and firms aren't able to choose their price

[old sedge]

Supra here costs $96k

Afaik, businesses here can only sell items up to 25% higher than the price they bought from suppliers

[dire shard]

charging that much is probably their realization of the only way it can be profitable selling to your market, particularly because most people in the philippines can't dream to own a car like that in their life so their target market is extremely small

[old sedge]

Ha! A Toyota Camry is already for rich CEOs or similar here