transportation

[final robin]

True

Mercedes has two ipads and some leds and that's why its twice the price

[covert dragon]

not really

better quality

more luxurious

more features

[final robin]

Idk i feel like its looks and feels cheap

[covert dragon]

depends which model

also i hate the fact that they are being lazy and basically all the models are the same

[old sedge]

And I will hate hardware features locked behind monthly subscription fees

[covert dragon]

fuck BMW

[final robin]

The old mercs used to have the finest leather wood etc now its a sea of plastics with ambient lighting

[covert dragon]

their explanation was some people want heated seats, some people dont, but they are lazy to make two different seats, so they just make you pay for it

[old sedge]

If you have a BMW with heated seats locked behind subcription wall, then just pirate it

[covert dragon]

not true

the plastic is only on like cheaper models

[old sedge]

People will pirate it

[covert dragon]

E class or S class have much better materials

[final robin]

Well I'm talking about c class and gla and stuff like that

[covert dragon]

once our altis coe expires we are probably getting a benz SUV

[old sedge]

Lame excuse, they could've just gave the car without heated seats and with heated seats as options

[covert dragon]

but hasnt the entry level ones always been lower quality materials

[final robin]

Even e class isn't that great tbh a superb or a passat feels like a better choice over an a class

[covert dragon]

e class is quite nice

[final robin]

I wish it had more buttons
Besides the black bezels on the screen is too thick even in s class or even the hyperscreens

[covert dragon]

tbh i rather have a executive car from a mainstream brand like toyota rather than some entry level car from a luxury brand, pricing is similar but the executive car is better

[final robin]

2013 i pad looking ass

[covert dragon]

i agree on the button part completely

but i guess they assume you use autopilot so…

[old sedge]

I still would love to own a Volvo car...

[final robin]

It is true that the executive sedans have premium suspension and body components like aluminum knuckles arms, a lot of nvh padding etc but the interior feels not so special

[old sedge]

But Volvo is owned by Geely now

[covert dragon]

A class saloon and Camry is roughly the same price here

[final robin]

Camry/superb any day

[old sedge]

At least most of it

[covert dragon]

yeah

a class saloon poor interior quality

small af

basically a branded altis

[old sedge]

A Camry here in Ph used to be meh in interior

[covert dragon]

but the camry is longer, more luxurious

[covert dragon]

camry interior improved quite a lot

[final robin]

Moreover it'll stay

[old sedge]

Ph versions of vehicles are often downgraded though but I still have to check it out

[covert dragon]

camry is like a lite version of a C/E class, while the A class is like a branded altis

[final robin]

Now toyota is hybridizing everything the jury is out on that but so far they're reliable

[old sedge]

Ph Rav4 doesn't even have AWD variant

All new Rav4s here are only 2WD

[covert dragon]

A Class is SGD 194,888 from importers with COE, 161 bhp, small size, basically altis quality

[final robin]

We have fortuners here which is basically hilux suv

So tough 4x4

[covert dragon]

Camry is SGD 180K, 176 bhp, longer, leather everywhere

[final robin]

But because there's no competition because ford left the market they're marked up really high

[old sedge]

Finally, Toyota Ph got rid of the horrendously mismatched infotainment for Rav4

And Camry

[covert dragon]

here a harrier is also around the same price as a GLA

[final robin]

I dont likw the way camry looks these days

[covert dragon]

why

[final robin]

Too grilly

[covert dragon]

still a better choice than branded altis

[final robin]

Yes yes

[covert dragon]

harrier is still better than GLA

[final robin]

The superb and passat seems like a really nice choice tho
German luxury but actually well priced

[covert dragon]

harrier is like a lite version of a GLC, and then the GLA is like what, a cheap SUV with a branded logo?

[old sedge]

Oh my, for the 2021 Toyota Altis 1.6V, that screen looks really mismatched...

Like copy paste

[covert dragon]

i thought you dont own a car

[final robin]

Accord used to be great too but stupid cvt

[old sedge]

I don't, I just searched videos

[covert dragon]

i rather have camry

Camry VS A class

[old sedge]

Right now, it would make sense for Toyota to discontinue the Camry's V6 engine

[final robin]

This is what i hate the bezels
Even in s class theres an inch of bezel in gauge cluster and half an inch in main

[covert dragon]

if we arent getting a GLC or E class probably just get camry/harrier

[final robin]

Feels so cheap man

[old sedge]

Looks luxurious and mismatched at the same time

[covert dragon]

weird ugly colour choice

[final robin]

Yes

[covert dragon]

this is way better

[old sedge]

This Camry seems to have different interior from the Ph Camry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5a7F8Al89Y

[final robin]

Like tablets and mobile phones have less than 2 mm bezels now for like half a grand
But the 120k merc has inches of it

[covert dragon]

i agree, mercedes need to fix their screen, need OLED 120hz screen for such a car

[covert dragon]

is there a toyota factory there

[old sedge]

Yes

[covert dragon]

thats why

[old sedge]

But wait

Toyota factory here only builds Vios and Innova

The rest are imports

[covert dragon]

CKD are different than CBD

[covert dragon]

well maybe they sent the older model or smth

[old sedge]

I couldn't send a link of a video which shows better view of the dashboard but I'll post the pic here

[covert dragon]

fortunately here we get the nice version

[covert dragon]

eh i think thats the same?

just different colours

[old sedge]

It looks different from the pic you posted here

[covert dragon]

its just different colours

and screen lower

[covert dragon]

the ones sold in singapore are like that too

[old sedge]

Oh

But the Camry here is also 2.5 HEV

[covert dragon]

https://www.toyota.com.sg/showroom/new-models/camry#Amazing Features

[old sedge]

No more non-hybrids

[covert dragon]

same

[old sedge]

Man, Ph Hilux doesn't even get rear AC vents which we really need 😦

[final robin]

Exactly
If you are skimping premium buttons for a screen atleast make it premium

[old sedge]

Btw, what Euro compliance is the standard in SG? I'm just curious

Gosh, why am I still in love with the Mitsubishi Pajero Fieldmaster?

[covert dragon]

wdym

[old sedge]

Are they Euro 4, 5, 6?

Here in Ph, car emission standards follow is based on European emission standards

[covert dragon]

uh diesels for passenger cars are very rare

[old sedge]

Oh

[covert dragon]

mainly used for heavy vehicles and taxi

the road tax for diesels are like double

unless you are like a grab driver makes no sense for diesel

[final robin]

I like this car

[old sedge]

Well, here, diesels are gonna die if things don't go back to the way it was before the war because diesel fuel price has become more expensive than petrol fuel price

[final robin]

[old sedge]

https://www.msn.com/en-ph/travel/news/watch-chinese-flying-car-makes-historic-public-flight-in-dubai/ar-AA12RRZe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5d2944a795a849a5af3d7774cea1ed1d

The good news is this car is not equipped with unbalanced homing missiles

[covert dragon]

i wonder how are flying cars going to land, like you cant just do it in the middle of a busy traffic

[old sedge]

If all cars are flying, busy traffic will probably be in the air

[covert dragon]

thats true but for the first phase of flying cars only selected cars can fly

this feature will eventually go to other cars

[vestal garnet]

Boring but reliable

[old sedge]

Btw, while people here talked about Corolla Altis and Camry Hybrid...
Toyota Prius: Is nobody gonna talk about me?

[covert dragon]

prius suck

it’s roughly the same price as camry

not the same level of luxury

[old sedge]

Here, Prius is a little more expensive than Camry

Oh my, the interior does suck for its price

Camry's dashboard looks better by many levels than this

[covert dragon]

why do prius even exist

[old sedge]

Not to mention Prius' engine is 1.8L with low power output for a 1.8L petrol engine yet it's more expensive than the more elegant and powerful Camry.

[covert dragon]

ikr

i have no idea why taxi operators here use the prius

why not use the camry

[old sedge]

Or Altis

[covert dragon]

yeah

[old sedge]

Altis Hybrid has same engine while being a lot cheaper.

No wonder I don't see any Prius on the streets

A Toyota Camry's price here is ₱ 2,402,000, a Toyota Altis Hybrid's price here is ₱ 1,665,000 while a Toyota Prius' price here is ₱ 2,436,000

[covert dragon]

here altis hybrid and camry hybrid are around same price

because of altis having an engine larger than 1.6 L, the COE becomes Cat B

like the camry

[old sedge]

I'm surprised Toyota Ph didn't delist Prius by now

[old sedge]

The 1.6L is non-hybrid, right?

[covert dragon]

1.6L for non hybrid
1.7L for hybrid

[final robin]

A flying car is a helicopter
Stupid mfs trying to reinvent the wheel

[old sedge]

I know what makes Prius expensive, it's hybrid and made in Japan itself

But kidding aside, even if a Toyota car is built in Thailand, I think it's still a Japanese car because of its brand

[covert dragon]

altis hybrid is SGD 184,888
camry hybrid is SGD 187,888

[old sedge]

Oh wow

About the Toyota Supra, it will be a lot more expensive than it already is if it's not jointly made by BMW according to Toyota

Could even reach 6 figures probably in terms of USD

So thank you BMW for making it more affordable

[final robin]

Hybrids don't really make sense
Series Hybrids like the prius are efficient because the engine is a generator
But most Hybrids are parallel which means at any point either the batteries or the motor is dead weight

[old sedge]

Is this what makes Prius expensive?

[final robin]

Probably

[old sedge]

I really wish I have Supra, it's the most basic fast turbocharged sports car I can think of with AT

[final robin]

Prius has become a brand now
The corolla hybrid which is the same car basically is much cheaper

[old sedge]

Prius is the first Toyota's mass produced hybrid car after all

[covert dragon]

is the supra a sports version

low range sports car

[old sedge]

JDM fanboys: angry JDM noises

Btw...

My friends: Why do you want a Mustang V8 for?
Me:

1. To hasten my highway drive times
2. So that I have a car to flex
3. For fuel efficiency

[final robin]

In highway speeds the mustang maybe more efficient than a corolla

[old sedge]

How about in stop and go traffic?

[covert dragon]

i fucking hate altis

[final robin]

Because at 90mph the mustang is practically idling but the toyota is revving its heart out

[covert dragon]

my parents have a trouble going to a mountain in malaysia with some cat a car

[final robin]

Probably corolla tho

[covert dragon]

cat a coe cars are only good if you dont go to malaysia mountain

the cheapest sedan is actually the vios

[old sedge]

The petrol variants of the Toyota Innova and Fortuner should have a 2.0L or 2.5L Dynamic Force engine instead of their 2.0 1TR-FE and 2.7 2TR-FE engines

[covert dragon]

and if you dont intend to break the law during malaysia trip

malaysia highway is 110, but as you already know there is almost no enforcement, and people use the app that uses GPS and when someone spots a traffic camera they warn others about it

[old sedge]

What kind of mountain is that?

[covert dragon]

so people drive like 150, but with an altis you can get 120 at best

[covert dragon]

Cat A cars have to be 130 bhp or lesser

they didnt have the horsepower rule at first, only the engine size rule, but then car manufacturers like mercedes started making cars like C class with less than 1.6L engine, the government felt that it was unfair since the C class is significantly more expensive than other cars in Cat A, like the toyota altis, hence they decided to have horsepower limit

[old sedge]

I don't like the Altis 1.6L because it's slow in climbing zigzag mountainous roads which our former Civic FD 1.8L can easily do

We sold the Civic and I miss it

And our Civic's braking response is also strong

[covert dragon]

tbh the COE category based on engine size does not make a single sense, the purpose of COE is to control vehicles on road, not to tax people with better cars

same for road tax too

COE and road tax for all vehicles of the same category should be the same

the tax for better cars is called the ARF

[heady swift]

In terms of being eco, yeah it's often weird because you could be better off having a 1.5L 3cyl over a 2L 4cyl with a hybrid unit, thus adding another 200kg

but manufacturers have to meet quota's, so there's that

in terms of performance, having an electric engine in addition to IC, is very nice

[final robin]

Exactly

They just want to say "ooh i have 200mpg on test conditions"

[covert dragon]

also saving money

[heady swift]

That entirely depends on the country of purchase. But, hybrid vehicles are more difficult and expensive to maintain than ICE

you can go to any garage and replace an exhaust, you can't do that with licensed electronics

[final robin]

You have twice the mechanicals

[covert dragon]

just buy one with a warranty that guarantees a battery replacement for the next few years

[final robin]

The c43 hybrid has an e supercharger, a turbo charger, variable valve timing, a 48v electric starter system, and an electric drivetrain

[covert dragon]

my uncle’s BMW X5 from 2019, well the battery got replaced 3 times alr

while the S400 from 2014 only once

[final robin]

Wait a few more years

[covert dragon]

i quite like the Malaysia CKD S400

[final robin]

Solid car tho

3l i6?

I like that gen s class

[covert dragon]

3L yes

the road tax is high

[final robin]

[covert dragon]

hes in malaysia so he own 3 cars

[final robin]

Oo

[covert dragon]

2008 E200, 2014 S400, BMW X5

[final robin]

Oo yuppie

[covert dragon]

my cousin in Kuala Lumpur is a hardcore toyota man

2018 Toyota Altis, 2020 Toyota Prius, 2016 Toyota Camry

[final robin]

Toyota's fanbase is strong

[urban pond]

They’re solid cars

Especially the trucks

[covert dragon]

they are now considering a lexus

[urban pond]

Used Tacomas have insane resale value

[final robin]

Ye

[covert dragon]

the sister drives the camry, mom drives a prius, the bro drives the altis

[final robin]

Well there the same car for 20 yrs

[heady swift]

which is not really useful for second-hand sales, which will be the vast majority

it's futile to focus on hybrid and electric technology, while also forcing consumers to buy a new vehicle every few years

that's insanely unsustainable

both economically and ecosystemically

[covert dragon]

no lol the S400 my uncle owns is a hybrid

has been using for 8 years

no plans to get rid of that legend

malaysia roads are horrible quality, and when that S400 drives on it, you really cant feel the bumps

[heady swift]

yes, but there currently is a transition from ICU to hybrid

with changes to gas-pricing and insurance costs

[covert dragon]

yeah

[heady swift]

people who are not well off need to make that transition, which is very costly

[covert dragon]

they make it so they save more

[urban pond]

It’s basically a giant “fuck you” to the people who can’t afford hybrids

[heady swift]

in the long run, but in terms for shorter time-frames, they lose a lot of money

and poorer demographics don't have the safety-nets to afford short-term losses

[final robin]

Mild hybrid rt

[covert dragon]

is mild hybrid mean low range hybrid?

[final robin]

Does it have a charger

[covert dragon]

no

self charging

the X5 is plug in

[heady swift]

which is kind of the dumb thing, because there will always be energy-losses during conversion

[final robin]

So it has a more powerful starter motor that gives more punch while starting

[covert dragon]

if he gets another s class it will be a plug in because the only one they sell in malaysia is locally assembled S580e

[final robin]

Theoretically its a good idea makes the power delivery smoother adds more mpg etc but yea

[heady swift]

in practice you're limited with engine space, weight, etc

design-wise it's more useful to have a charger

[final robin]

I mean if u really care dont buy a boat lol

[heady swift]

hahahahahahah

[final robin]

Its like saying my bullets have antiseptic coating on them

[covert dragon]

true

[old sedge]

Oh yes, Toyota is the number 1 car seller in the world.

[covert dragon]

tbh i dont get the hate for diesel, they are much more efficient than petrol?

[final robin]

People dont consider the environmental damage in manufacturing
The 2-3 real world mpg gain of a hybrid comes at increased manufacturing costs to the environment that will take hundreds of thousands of miles to negate

[covert dragon]

i think people care about the price more

[old sedge]

Yes and diesel engine components are also stronger than petrol engine components so if I'm not mistaken, the former can last longer than the petrol engine before requiring maintenance, but diesel engine components are more expensive than petrol engine components which is why diesel vehicles are more expensive to maintain and repair than petrol vehicles, especially that virtually all diesel engines are turbocharged nowadays

[final robin]

Diesel has like 2000 times more particulate matter (soot) so it appears to be more smoky
Tbf ships use refinery oil engines that is like a million times more harmful but we only care about the most common culprit that the customer uses, right

[proper elbow]

Pass the savings (and the blame) on to the consumer

[old sedge]

I prefer petrol because of higher hp

[final robin]

Me too tho

[proper elbow]

I prefer petrol because that's practically all that's available here outside of big pickup trucks

[covert dragon]

here it isnt really a choice its hard to get diesel for passenger car

not to mention the double road tax

[final robin]

but we have to save the planet

[covert dragon]

thats why government is banning diesel in 2025 and petrol in 2030

diesel-electric, petrol-electric not banned, vehicles registered before the ban can still renew COE, vintage vehicles not affected

[old sedge]

It's a shame that we have to rely on Fortuner because Land Cruiser and Land Cruiser Prados are way too expensive here, at BMW level in the USA

I want either one of LC

Someone claimed that the car rental company he's working in has become a regular in a repair shop because of their Ford Expeditions... are those really unreliable?

[jagged sentinel]

I'd assume the diesel ban doesn't affect commercial vehicles?

[covert dragon]

ofc

only cars and taxi

[jagged sentinel]

We've gotten diesel pollution outputs down to pretty absurdly low numbers compared to 30 years ago

I'm not sure if California's gas ban affects commercial vehicles

If it does then California is suddenly going to have a lack of supply of absolutely fucking everything

[jagged sentinel]

Depends on where, different places view diesel differently

I say different places but I mostly mean the US lmao

We view diesel in a different light to most of the world

[final robin]

Ye but they don't care

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah

I believe a newish truck (2016+) puts out like 90% less then a truck made in the 70s

90 PERCENT!!

[sage roost]

What the fuck is this

I lost even more hope I didn’t know I still had seeing this

[final robin]

Aah im more disappointed at the weight

3800 pounds

Thats m4 territory

With awd it will even reach m550i size

[covert dragon]

i always wonder why bmw still have those squarish headlights

its not like as nice looking if you get what i mean

[proper elbow]

I hate it

[final robin]

[proper elbow]

why... just why

[final robin]

I genuinely have no idea

[main cosmos]

what tf is this

[kind osprey]

It's right hand drive left side of the road driving there?

[final robin]

Here too

[kind osprey]

Rip

I hate right hand drive I'm just notnused to it and after all this time I probably couldn't get used to it

[jagged sentinel]

There's a few right-hand-drive cars here

Then again, car college

[final robin]

Tbf it makes sense
You are closer to the center of the road like that

Or you should be left hand drive right lane

[jagged sentinel]

I'm in the US

[final robin]

So that way

[jagged sentinel]

There are one or two right hand drive cars here

Maybe more

[final robin]

jaydeeyem

[jagged sentinel]

One's an old Evo, one's a civic of some sort

[hybrid charm]

Hm I've seen that before somewhere

[kind osprey]

wtf

[covert dragon]

we drive on the left side steering wheel on the right

https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2021/06/Large-39035-E220dCoupe.jpg?w=1784&h=1004

like this

[opal forum]

WTF IS THAT

Thats so cursed

[hybrid charm]

That is the yamaha niken

[wise gorge]

Weird Japanese Tech

[hybrid charm]

motorbike mk II

can't wait for my honda monkey!!

gonna be an original one, not 1 of those new versions

[covert dragon]

@kind osprey

the weird batch is the cycle&carriage badge, the greedy authorised dealer

the ones bought from importers that are cheaper because they arent that greedy dont have that

[main cosmos]

https://youtu.be/XMkzDMAP-80

[sage roost]

“S-class meback”

[kind osprey]

Yea a lot of people say may-back

I wish I knew why

It's my-bach

Like bock

[sage roost]

It’s very triggering

[kind osprey]

Indeed

[sage roost]

It’s like the people that pronounce the L in “gallardo”

[kind osprey]

There's actually been debate around it, I heard Lamborghini say it with the L before I have no clue what to believe. So we'd have to look at the language dialect and pick it apart from there

But I'm too lazy to

Because two l's does sound like y but it might not in certain contexts I guess

[final robin]

Blue chat ew

Installating nfs mw time to be nostalgic about 2005 automotive world

[tame axle]

I do this about once a year now, play for a few days and delete it again a month later 😅

[final robin]

Same

I feel like i better appreciate the cars and details each time

This time I'm not gonna tune my cars

[small sleet]

how?

oh wait i thought right-right

[heady swift]

bock??

it's bach like the musician bach

[heady swift]

tbf L is acceptable depending on the dialect

in spanish, you often don't pronounce the double L. In italian, you do

so the debate is whether you pronounce the spanish name for an italian car in spanish or in italian

and tbh I think the people at lambo probably say it in italian

[kind osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4nb2QxVQNm4?feature=share

[kind osprey]

I was sounding it out for people who may not know how

Ch typically doesn't make that sound here

So I said bock for familiarity

https://youtu.be/Uv44W7xa4IU

[final robin]

Yay e24 da best

[final robin]

I love this car

[covert dragon]

i say it that way too

[kind osprey]

now you know to fix it 👍

[covert dragon]

in the city its not hard to find such expensive cars

here its almost impossible to find

the better ones are just C or E class

[covert dragon]

never seen one in my life yet tho

saw a Phantom before at Marina Bay Sands

[kind osprey]

nice

[sage roost]

LOL

[old sedge]

Isn't Defender reliable?

[sage roost]

Nice joke

no it isn’t

[winged geyser]

fr

[final robin]

[old sedge]

Oh, I was thinking of the old Defender...

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rxVqYWwO/1990-land-rover-defender-90

Oh well, I've seen a conversation here about UK car brands having reliability issues so even the old Defender would be unreliable

[kind osprey]

Land Rover is known for their issues

They come heavy hard and expensive

And they can happen at any momen

[old sedge]

That's why I wouldn't take a Land Rover for off-roading

I don't want to have such expensive vehicle only for it to be tipped over

[kind osprey]

Infiniti g35 owners with these goofy ahh headlights

[hybrid charm]

Damn

Are you gonna sent every inch of that gtr

[old sedge]

Oh my, the cheapest Land Cruiser here costs ₱ 5,210,000

[hybrid charm]

What currency is that

[old sedge]

Philippine peso

[hybrid charm]

Ah

Ok

[old sedge]

142,476.90 AUD

A Ford Explorer is a better choice here since it only costs 81,985.75 AUD

[hybrid charm]

Hm

Keep pinging me

Bru

[covert dragon]

SGD 126,076

the car tax isnt that bad in philippines

here its SGD 331,888

[old sedge]

Except they have no good reason to implement such taxes

[covert dragon]

there isnt terrible traffic jam?

[old sedge]

Yeah, there is a terrible traffic jam but high taxation on cars is proven not to work. Besides, what do they expect, we should ride on junk transport?

Besides, there are real solutions to solve our terrible traffic jam

[covert dragon]

how does it not work?

it works quite decently and even better when people’s income are low

[old sedge]

The terrible traffic jam didn't go away

Which proves that it's not working

[covert dragon]

or that its not enough

[old sedge]

Besides, Philippines is huge compared to Singapore

[covert dragon]

public transport exists

[old sedge]

Jeepney? No thanks

[covert dragon]

whats that

[old sedge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeepney

I ride it only when absolutely necessary

[covert dragon]

okay how is that bad

its basically an open air smaller bus

[final robin]

India has a stupid sub 4 meter taxation rule
So small cars are even cheaper which sounds good but just increases congestion
If they had an over 5m rule then cars would be bigger, safer and people will take them out less

[old sedge]

No seatbelt, ww2 era relic which can break down anytime, Euro 0 compliant engine, very sturdy chassis which can be more dangerous in crashes

[covert dragon]

and then high taxation on luxury cars

the people on luxury car can afford these taxes, wouldn’t really stop them
if you make cars so cheap for the poor they won’t care…

[old sedge]

Afaik, the reason why modern vehicle chassis are not as sturdy as classic cars is to increase survival chances of persons on board in case of crashes

[covert dragon]

they should give them equal taxation and encourage public transport use

[final robin]

Full imports are like 200% taxes so basically companies only assemble top selling crossovers

[covert dragon]

1. many buses dont have seatbelt, i dont think it’s mandatory
2. why the fuck do you care about emissions standards on buses, they will still be not environmentally friendly whether you ride them or not

[covert dragon]

fuck import tax tbh

india government is a disgrace for having such crazy import tax

[final robin]

Naah busses do help
Like one bus is the equivalent of 30 cars min

[old sedge]

But these jeepneys are fucking subpar in emission standards and you want people to inhale these black smokes?

[covert dragon]

wdym i never talked about buses not helping or what

[covert dragon]

they release it from the back you wont smell it

you sitting on it or not doesn’t change the fact that it is not friendly to the environment

[final robin]

Well if people do sit in it then they won't be driving

[covert dragon]

why would they want to own a car with car tax especially if they are so poor

here basically all the people that are lower class they take public transportation

[final robin]

Everyone would have a car if they can

[old sedge]

Oh yes, true, they release it from the back so jeepneys and open vehicles at the back won't get affected, that's right.

[covert dragon]

well they get affected

but not you

and how does you being onboard or not affect the emission standard

[old sedge]

I don't understand the question, but remember, these vehicles follow primitive emission standard and these are open air and there are many of these on the road.

[covert dragon]

meaning how does the emission standard of the bus change your decision to take the bus or not

that bus is still going to operate and pollute the environment a lot, with or without you onboard

[old sedge]

Bus or these jeepneys? I don't think this is a legit bus. I won't take this because I don't want to smell their black smokes, that's my point.

[covert dragon]

jeepneys, they are basically open air small buses/large van

[covert dragon]

yes but you will not smell it

its only the people behind it that will smell

[old sedge]

Even if there's no specific smell, we still inhale it regardless though

[covert dragon]

hmm that’s true

but then

i dont think health is the first priority when a person is a low income

cars are expensive

[old sedge]

Wait, what?

[covert dragon]

if i am low income i would care about the money saved by taking it instead of a car

[final robin]

True but that doesn't mean we should allow it tho

Our versions of jeepneys, the tuk tuks are getting converted to electric and cng for the same reasons

[old sedge]

Remember, taxes here are high so we deserve better public transportation

[covert dragon]

well i think buses make more sense

the city is poorly designed

and its not that simple to just dig some holes

[old sedge]

The solution I always say is decentralize, almost everything is too centralized in the capital region, I bet more than half of the population in the capital region don't even live there, they just work and go back to the provinces during weekends

[covert dragon]

malaysians here do a similar thing

those in Johor especially

drive their malaysian car to singapore then work then leave

although some things are like 2 times cheaper, some things (eg. iPhones, PC, starbucks) are the same price as Singapore
and they earn like 3 times lesser

[final robin]

Hyundai Invents Airbag For Your Crotch That Makes Your Seatbelt Work Properly https://carbuzz.com/news/hyundai-invents-airbag-for-your-crotch-that-makes-your-seatbelt-work-properly

nutsack

[covert dragon]

totally not male friendly

[final robin]

Kia knows its customers don't need em anyway

[covert dragon]

[gray linden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhdcxalpjmU

@final robin

imagine driving this down the road

u instandly cooler than any lemborogni and definely coller than an benz c class

[final robin]

Ew modded e46

Its cool but I'd rather have a clean one

Or better an e92 335i which is a slightly less unreliable version of that

[gray linden]

https://tenor.com/view/will-graham-gif-18477921

[final robin]

E46 is the supra of bmws

MW e46 is the fnf supra of bmws

[final robin]

NA v12 supremacy

[kind osprey]

The N stands for nutsack

We cracked the code

[final robin]

[winged geyser]

[dull siren]

saw one of these

[kind osprey]

Ah the lexus

Those are really a love em or hate em car

[dull siren]

pretty much,but seeing this particular Lexus is

or those pre-LFA generation Lexuses

[covert dragon]

im in the orchard area

i just saw a 911 and taycan next to each other

[wise gorge]

Nice

I saw a fair bit of Porsche’s here in Brussels

Macan’s, Taycan’s, Cayenne’s, even a few Cayman’s

[covert dragon]

thats orchard the rich private condominium area

we are visiting my dad’s friend

he lives rhere

[wise gorge]

Cool

[covert dragon]

this is how it looks like during christmas

in just a few weeks singapore will turn from beautiful to extremely beautiful due to christmas

[wise gorge]

Always nice

[covert dragon]

favourite time of the year is christmas

the vibe is always great and the decoration effort here is superb

even though we are multi religious

[wise gorge]

That does look stunning ngl

[covert dragon]

the christmas decorations on the cruise ship i went last year

i love stunning christmas decorations

[kind osprey]

Oooo

[dull siren]

fancy

[old sedge]

Porsche 911 GT3 RS is the new N/A king of the ring.
But how about Chevrolet Corvette C8 and Ford GT?
https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-industry-news/2023-porsche-911-gt3-rs-is-new-n-a-king-of-the-ring.html

[sage roost]

As far as I’m concerned the ford GT isn’t N/A

Also the C8 is nowhere close to the GT3 RS’ lap time

[final robin]

Meh idk i don't like the rs
Looks too tacky

Like mansory modded it or something

The gt3 is nice to look at tho

[old sedge]

Oh wow, so the RS has better handling than the C8?

[final robin]

Probably

C8 has a glorious engine tho

I'd probably take the z06 without the zo7 kit

Better road car

[sage roost]

What do you think

[old sedge]

Probably but both are glorious cars.

[heady swift]

I never liked the gt3 (rs)

looks cool

but I prefer 4/awd and a turbocharged engine

like the gt2 (rs)

just reminds me of purposefully avoided potential

of course it's a niche car for specific drivers, who prefer rwd

[kind osprey]

The corvette and mustang have 0 on a flagship Porsche gt car

Those are different universes

[kind osprey]

Of course it does, the c8 isn’t an amazing handling car

It’s an American vehicle from gm lmao

It’s $60,000-$90,000 because the car is cheaply made and looks cool on the outside

The gt3 rs doesn’t do as well in straights as other flagship 911 Porsche’s. It has a ridiculous amount of downforce and so much air manipulation all over the place which makes it the fastest on a windy track but in a straight line it won’t be as good

[old sedge]

That's why a Corvette and even a Viper wouldn't really beat a Porsche 911 GT3 RS in Nurburgring unless the Porsche driver is bad

[flint shore]

percyy

[jagged sentinel]

Dodge Viper ACR Extreme would like to have a chat with you

[sage roost]

I want that rear wing as a coffee table

[heady swift]

the acr would ironically be better if it wasn't a viper

a small i4 or v6 4wd would've worked better

nonetheless a beautiful car

on the outside

[jagged sentinel]

It's V10 is it's defining feature, so

[heady swift]

yeah I know, hence the irony

[kind osprey]

@real zephyr @vague moth @final robin @sage roost

[real zephyr]

ooo

this is in ny?

[real zephyr]

it looks almost like nj

[kind osprey]

Yea it's at New Dorp, the area is suburbs golf courses and parks and stuff

That Porsche starting up sounded so good in person

[real zephyr]

looks so fun

also seeing all the ppl dressed up in warm clothes

[kind osprey]

Yea it's getting colder out there but today is pretty nice so far

Like 70f

[kind osprey]

I got there late but my friend sent me some photos from when the show was at its peak

Look at this senior citizen

I love how the cars from the 30's are swoopier than cars from 50 years later lmao

[vague moth]

Wow

[real zephyr]

oo ok, still so nice

[final robin]

Damn that panthera and 993

[main cosmos]

Beautiful

[heady swift]

992

hot

993*

[kind osprey]

they are both there lol

but yea that 993 was insane

[heady swift]

992s are nice but a 993 turbo is just porn

[kind osprey]

Yea and it was loud

like a lot louder in person than I was expecting there was definitely something done to that 993

[covert dragon]

is that some expensive customised license plate

here we are not allowed to customise the license plate number unfortunately

most expensive license plate ever sold here

it was auctioned off for SGD 335,000

[final robin]

I hate people who pay a lot fpr custom plates
Same way i hate people who pay a lot for socks or phonecases

[kind osprey]

Verasche socks, 18 carat gold phone case, but workin at Target

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

It's to mimic a historic plate from the 30's it's not a real plate

New york license plate look like this

historic plates from the 60's and early 70's looked like this

[hybrid charm]

they look hella nice

[mint plank]

custom license plates are like

the registration fee here

like

$50

lmao

[wise gorge]

I saw a lot of them in Belgium

[main cosmos]

they are finally installing cameras in the NYC metro cars

[urban pond]

New reality show now?

[final robin]

[mint plank]

lmao what

only just now?

[covert dragon]

no 1 digit?

[covert dragon]

so everyone has a custom license plate number in australia because its only $50?

imo should be more than that

[mint plank]

No lmao

it's like

not even 10% of cars

less even

for every 50 cars i see with standard license there's one with custom

there's no real need for vanity/custom plates

basically no one has them

[covert dragon]

why bruh

[mint plank]

oh nvm, $550

[covert dragon]

can you put any number or letters you want

[covert dragon]

i would still pay for it

if i can afford it

and the number i want is available

[mint plank]

within reason, yes, like you can't just go putting fuck off on your plates

[covert dragon]

can you put 1 digit

like can i put 1

as license plate no.

[mint plank]

nope

Has to have at least 1 number + 1 letter

[covert dragon]

how about S 1

[covert dragon]

sad

i guess all the 1 digit combinations got taken up already by now

[mint plank]

likely

[main cosmos]

ikr haha

[mint plank]

wtf lmao. trains here have had them for like a decade plus

[main cosmos]

this is how outdated NYC is

we used the same metro card from the 70s i think

they recently updated that

[mint plank]

wtf

[kind osprey]

It's not really like that here because you don't own your license plates in the US, they are Department of Transportation property. License plates that are low are mostly reserved for government officials and stuff like that.

My friends dad has a plate that is a low two digit number

on a little 90's car that's half broken down lol

just sitting there

That plate in Dubai would be worth $200,000

[covert dragon]

here we own it

its basically ours

we can sell, buy

[sturdy hemlock]

classic BMW

[covert dragon]

looks like its used for a ferrari now

[sage roost]

https://twitter.com/dougdemuro/status/1582023508342644738?s=46&t=HzcwR1crWmdXGQJa5WLjTg

Doug DeMuro (@DougDeMuro)

AMAZING Porsche 911 on @CarsAndBids: 2002 996 Coupe with a V8 swap from a Pontiac G8 GT!!!! Manual transmission and NO RESERVE -- check it out: https://t.co/GfGbPZjbeb

Twitter · Oct 17, 2022, 2:59 PM

Pontiac V8 swapped 911

mfw

[covert dragon]

i love 911

[proper elbow]

It's a 996. OE engine probably shit itself.

[covert dragon]

isnt a 996 a type of 911 too

[final robin]

V8 kills the character

[heady swift]

yeah, it's a generation

992, 993, 996, etc

[wise gorge]

Common American L

[jagged sentinel]

Ok I love GM V8s but why

Even I don't know about that one, chief

[kind osprey]

[bleak crag]

this makes soo much sense now fowk

[bleak crag]

like a whole new world opened up to me bout 911s

[heady swift]

don't worry, the numbers of the gens make no sense whatsoever

[wise gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/porsche-car-evolution-9series-design-gif-5083991

[kind osprey]

Nice

[sonic lance]

guys help me

which should i buy

b-11 or hydra

which is better

[stuck owl]

Please use the appropriate channels to chat in:

GTA: #gta-questions, #gta-tech-support, #gta-online, #gta-media

Non-GTA: #community

If you're looking for people to play with, use the appropriate Looking for Group (LFG) channel instead.

Requested by: @hybrid charm

[final robin]

Saving this

[astral ember]

bike

its awesome
Its fast
And its cheap

[hard bough]

The jeep is gonna make one mistake on the road and wrangle the bike

[night steeple]

been looking at getting my second car, which in my own terms, has to be a classic, there are some options but not much in my budget, its either old civics, corollas, volvo bricks, or mercs
what if I get myself a W123 merc? are those alright to maintain and drive around?

[vestal garnet]

Get an old Civic/Corolla or Accord/Camry
Cheap to maintain and good reliability

[night steeple]

there are a few gen1 civic hatchbacks around, if those are better overall than the w123 I might give that a spin, just thought having an old merc might be cool heh

[vestal garnet]

Old mercs are unreliable tho
There will be a point when repair costs will be more than the value of ur car

💀

[night steeple]

always thought the w123 regarded by the internet as being indestructible

[vestal garnet]

[final robin]

Post 80s mercs are unreliable ye

In 93 mercedes came up with a brilliant idea of biodegradable wiring

[night steeple]

from what I understand these ol mercs are good with regular maintenance, until something big happens

perhaps I should just stick to ol japanese cars or a volvo

[hard bough]

If you want a merc just buy an e class diesel

They're used as taxis in Germany, so they have a very long lifetime

Generally if you buy German, you should probably buy diesel

[final robin]

dieselgate intensifies

[hard bough]

Who cares about the environment anyways

[old sedge]

Environmentalists: We do!

[covert dragon]

just get a used c/e class
if you care a lot about reliability used lexus/camry

[covert dragon]

rip we dont sell diesel here

only ways is importers

but the road tax is more than double

e class petrol vs diesel

[jagged sentinel]

Based

[hard bough]

Nah but after dieselgate all the German cars got fuckin DPF

[final robin]

RR went four eyes

[final robin]

If they really did they'd stop shipping stuff like clothes which could be made locally

Nobody talks about the environmental damage MNCs do but if you have an ice car you're accused of choking baby seals

[night steeple]

I have a few choices to choose from now, a mk1 honda civic, a mini, or maybe the w123 merc, though its not likely

[final robin]

Hmm

If the civic isn't riced id say go that way

I wish it was a sedan, but the 300k price tag really is the deal breaker

[night steeple]

I looked a lil, most first / second gen civics are relatively stock or just very light mods, seems like the choice to go

[jagged sentinel]

What the fuck is that C-pillar

[final robin]

[jagged sentinel]

Blindspot finna be camaro-tier

[final robin]

They made such a superb concept 6 years ago I really wished they just used this

[jagged sentinel]

Man that thing is sexy

[covert dragon]

wheres the EV phantom

[kind osprey]

As much I hate this horizontal light split trend, it looks a lot more tolerable on this than it does on that shitty electric 7 series

[kind osprey]

Cyberpunk corporate car

[final robin]

True

[kind osprey]

Also the car is gonna be around $300,000 because Cadillac is finally making bespoke cars that are true luxury vehicles and not reskinned Chevy's with this one

They will have a car to compete with Bentley and Rolls Royce for the first time since prior to World War II

[final robin]

Yea but the brand is changing so many times now i don't know what to believe

Bespoke luxury to affordable luxury to old man car to sports luxury to whatever this is

[kind osprey]

Cadillac's sport sedans are pretty cool though

I like the idea of the blackwing

[final robin]

Yass

I like the ct6 v a lot

[kind osprey]

That's the only Cadillac I could ever see myself buying, the ct6 blackwing with the beautiful blue

[final robin]

Noice

[kind osprey]

Carbon everywhere

[hard bough]

Wtf is going on here

I found this thing for 7,5k€
With 156tkm

4 motion may be no quattro but

I kinda like it? Just why would you write Passat on your Phaeton 😭

[rain cradle]

When you try to link a car and the bot has an aneurism 😒

[heady swift]

idk

phaeton's also the worst purchase you'll ever make

and that also looks like the diesel model

[kind osprey]

Yea those cars are cheap for a reason

[hard bough]

They're bad? I've been looking at reviews and I've seen 90% good ones

And yes, diesel. I'd prefer that due to their longer lifetime

[heady swift]

not bad, but expensive

many phaeton parts are high-end, meaning that the maintenance is significantly more expensive than a passat that uses golf/polo parts

[hard bough]

Ohhh

[heady swift]

and the fuel economy is disastrous too

[hard bough]

I mean yeah I'm aware of that

It's a luxury car after all
Those are awful with that

Yeah makes sensr

[heady swift]

I would go onto a car forum and ask around

[hard bough]

Ye, I read on some forums

[heady swift]

most people are quite fond of the phaeton, but everyone agrees that maintenance costs more than the car itself after 3-5 years

[hard bough]

I see...

[kind osprey]

All Volkswagens ngl

They are horrible used cars, unless you are a teenager with a golf gti

Then it's fine

You learn

[hard bough]

Thing is
My parents both had used vws for years

And we've only made good experiences

[kind osprey]

My condolences

Oh so I guess you're just lucky lol

Vw maintenance parts are a fortune compared to other economy brands

Might as well own the Audi

[hard bough]

I mean ig they're just easier to get in germany?

[kind osprey]

Oh you live in Germany?

[hard bough]

Yeah

[kind osprey]

Oh that changes everything

Volkswagens like your Toyota

Disregard my ranting

[hard bough]

I mean the golf 3 my mom drives
If somethings broken, it never takes long or much to fix

And my dad's cars have been with him for a while, used to have a passat till it got into an accident

Thing is I don't mind sharing the car with her
But im lookin for something nice for my own

[jagged sentinel]

Do you guys need to plug your diesels in during the winter too

[hard bough]

Plug them in...?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

Block heater

[hard bough]

Not as far as I'm aware?

I dont think my dad did that

[jagged sentinel]

Just trucks then ig

[hard bough]

It's been a while since we had diesels

Last diesel was my dad's passat, which, yeah

[jagged sentinel]

Over here in the winter, diesel vehicles need to be plugged in during the winter so they can start/work

[hard bough]

Where are you from again?

[jagged sentinel]

I say diesel "vehicles" but I'm in the US so 99% of the time that means trucks

[hard bough]

Are diesel cars rare in the US?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

There's kind of a stigma against them

Plus gasoline has pretty much always been cheaper than diesel

[hard bough]

Here people love to act like the government wants to ban them

[kind osprey]

Diesel will freeze and crack quicker than you can say "hey there's snow on the roof"

[hard bough]

And here diesel has been cheaper till the ukraine-russia thing started

Now they're p much the same price

[jagged sentinel]

I guess passenger cars have their own block heaters/don't need them?

[hard bough]

Diesel used to be like 1,30€/l
Now it's 2€/l

[kind osprey]

Diesel costs a full dollar or two a gallon more than premium octane petrol here, and diesel has downsides so it's completely only for trucks that need it here

[hard bough]

While petrol only got like 10 cents more expensive

[hard bough]

Bruh wtf

[jagged sentinel]

There's a diesel BMW in my dorm parking lot, but that isn't plugged in during the morning, unlike the multiple powerstroke and Duramax trucks here

(Powerstroke is Ford's diesel truck division, Duramax is GM's)

[kind osprey]

You only need to worry about diesel freeezing when it's extremely cold, but gas lasts a lot better in freezing temps

[hard bough]

Yeah thing is
I never think I even saw that on a car

But it's also not super cold here

[jagged sentinel]

Which baffles me to no end as to why organizations like Arctic trucks tend to like diesel engines

[kind osprey]

The word truck probably has a lot to do with it

[jagged sentinel]

What, do trucks in Europe not have petrol engines as options

[proper elbow]

Probably has something to do with the massive fucking tires they put on those bishes

[jagged sentinel]

It's around 40 degrees F here

Noice

[proper elbow]

Diesel won't gel until like 10F or smth

[kind osprey]

that sucks

It's getting cold again :(

[jagged sentinel]

It's going to get colder

Winter is only just starting

[final robin]

Another 911, carrera t

Apparently this is the gts with the base engine, 20-30k cheaper
Honestly I'd still prefer a carrera s tho
All that removal of sound deadening and thinner glass and still its less than 100 pounds lighter

I'd rather have a more refined car for the street

[covert dragon]

i mean diesel can go longer range

with the same amount

here mainly buses, taxis, large vehicles use diesel

due to the high road tax

[covert dragon]

im in love with 911

tho i would rather get a taycan

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

Taycan is great but if I had to choose one or the other it would be the car with the engine 110%

The 911 is an icon

[covert dragon]

whats the real power difference

[kind osprey]

I wouldn't care in the slightest

[covert dragon]

why tho

the price is also a huge concern especially when they are making it even more expensive here in this little island

[kind osprey]

The 911 is a piece of history, and a beautiful untouched silhouette for almost 60 years

na flat 6 cylinder sounds great

it comes in manual

it checks every box

[covert dragon]

Taycan is SGD 351,958
911 Carrera is SGD 501,188

[kind osprey]

holy shit

[covert dragon]

without COE

[kind osprey]

I will never comprehend a 350% tax on a car

that must really suck

[covert dragon]

i dont exactly fully support COE

because like

even if you only drive it on weekends its still such a high price

[covert dragon]

i mean you can register your vehicle as ROPC that basically limits your usage hours but that is just a SGD 17,000 rebate and SGD 500 discount on road tax that is irrelevant for such an expensive vehicle

there is literally only 10K+ red plate cars on the road now

in the past there was 50K+

it just sounds like a horrible deal with today’s COE prices

[kind osprey]

24 trims... of the same model of car

[covert dragon]

dude the price we pay for like an altis is actually enough for a 911 in US?

[kind osprey]

Well if it costs $106,000 there, then yes

[covert dragon]

taycan has 4 doors

911 has 2

and the price difference is huge

[covert dragon]

also, electric is cheaper than petrol

[covert dragon]

i hate the 718 interior

theres a COE bidding this afternoon so im interested in the results

[kind osprey]

eh looks fine to me

[covert dragon]

here the only porsche i see are mainly the cayenne

[covert dragon]

and where i live currently, which is a public housing town due to school reasons, the cars seen are usually japanese cars, sometimes you will see a C class or a old E class (probably used car), however my new neighbour drives a yellow lamborghini

if you ever see some very nice vehicles enter a public housing carpark their car is officially worth more than their house

some rich people here buy resale public housing because even if they are rich they are still qualified to buy resale

probably because private is too expensive

and in the richer people neighbourhoods, its mainly dominated by german cars, usually E class, and then the porsche and lamborghini are more commonly seen there

[kind osprey]

A base lamborghini there must be like $400,000

[covert dragon]

man if it costed $400k everyone will be rushing to buy

[kind osprey]

damn he must really like cars if he lives in a government provided neighborhood and drives that

[kind osprey]

which model is it?

[covert dragon]

the cheapest one is SGD 798K without COE

[kind osprey]

I was assuming it was a Gallardo and those go for like $100,000-$200,000 here so there if they cost triple that then convert it into S$

[covert dragon]

well i mean i asked him before and he said private condos here are not worth the money to him, and public housing is good for use as investment as well, and he values a good car more than a good house

i think thats strange but up to him ig

[kind osprey]

I value a good car collection over a giant overzealous house ngl, but the only reason why I would choose a $600,000 home over a $600,000 car is because homes are a stable asset that provide a lot of utility

Cars that are very exotic and rare can go up in value or at least hold their value very well, but cars are a depreciating liability 90% of the time

they are toys

[covert dragon]

private condos here arent bigger

in fact they are usually smaller

by around 10%

[kind osprey]

So what makes it worth it to live in a high rise not much different than the default housing? Especially if you get less room

[covert dragon]

public housing is a good investment tho, some people are making 100% or more profit from it after just a few years

[covert dragon]

1. Investment
2. Lesser regulations
3. Social status (nearly 80% live in public housing)
4. More facilities
5. Nicer looking

[vestal garnet]

💀

[final robin]

India too we have 200% tax 911 s is like 250k

[covert dragon]

what

its THAT high?

[final robin]

But imported cars only have that tax

Not all cars per se

Shit like a honda hrv is cheaper

[wise gorge]

Makes sense that a Honda is cheaper

[final robin]

So manufacturers assemble some luxury cars here, which is still taxed like 80% but better than import

So this means we only have shit that sells ie crossovers

[kind osprey]

I wonder if there a lot of Range Rovers there

or Jaguars

[final robin]

Not that much

People 100k for a c class or an a4

[wise gorge]

I see a lot of then over here in western Europe obviously

[kind osprey]

I mentioned those two specifically because their parent company is Tata

[final robin]

True but there isn't a whole lot of them them

Jaguar still doesn't have the presence the germans have

[wise gorge]

Tata is Indian yeah

[final robin]

Ye

[wise gorge]

How about Mahindra?

[covert dragon]

is Jaguar good

[kind osprey]

It's not too bad

[final robin]

Reliability wise no

[kind osprey]

mid range like Alfa

[final robin]

But they look better

Dated models tho

[covert dragon]

with that price i rather get a benz or porsche

[final robin]

Thats what most people do

[covert dragon]

i rarely see a juguar

[wise gorge]

True

They’re rare tbh

[final robin]

Audis are about the same price as the benz or bmw so people take that over a jag

[covert dragon]

here benz is the most common European brand here

[final robin]

Same

But audis are close

[covert dragon]

audi is no where close in Singapore

benz > bmw and audi

[final robin]

Their mcb architecture means they can build manufacturing plants easily

So they really undercut the other two in india

Also big grille crossovers

So they sell

[kind osprey]

lol

[covert dragon]

i think BMW has some issues with their design recently

what in the world

is the new cars design

[final robin]

They sell sadly

I think its a societal issue in general

[covert dragon]

[final robin]

Not just bmws

[vestal garnet]

If only Lexus was assembled locally and not imported💀

[final robin]

Oh yea outsiders can't believe lexus overcuts the germans

[covert dragon]

i don’t really like lexus

benz price but not as good as a benz

but ig if you want a reliable luxury car then lexus

[final robin]

And now they're shooting themselves in the foot with the hybrid shit

[covert dragon]

even benz now aren’t as good

which idiot thinks it was okay to basically make all the cars almost the same looking

[wise gorge]

Germans do

It’s function over form

Not like the Italians who do the opposite

[hard bough]

Here audis are cheaper than benz and mostly on the same level as bmw

[final robin]

I think its their family look policy
Mercs always looked same across the range in about 2008-14 u could tell them apart but then they became homogeneous again

[wise gorge]

True, even i struggle sometimes with differentiating between C and E class Merc’s

[covert dragon]

here depends who you get it from

[covert dragon]

its the size

i can differentiate them

E class are usually kinda long, at least to me

[wise gorge]

Well yeah

And C classes are more likely to be two doors

[covert dragon]

not true

there are E class coupes as well

[wise gorge]

See

That's where my problem is

[covert dragon]

here the most common benz coupes is CLA

[wise gorge]

they do tend to sell well

What segment are they though?

[covert dragon]

4 door coupe

man i miss the s class coupe

[final robin]

I mean car guys can tell between even trim levels

I'm talking about the general population

[covert dragon]

im not that level yet

[jagged sentinel]

Mercedes guys*

[covert dragon]

mercedes is the best

[jagged sentinel]

Meh

[final robin]

Not now

I dont really like any modern merc these days

[covert dragon]

i mean i like them still but no longer as much

did they fire half of the design team because every single model is nearly the same rn

[final robin]

I really wish they didn't focus on screens

[covert dragon]

man i love the screens

but

at the same time, i wish they have more physical buttons as well

[final robin]

Screens always get outdated after 5 years

[covert dragon]

its fucking dangerous

for a driver to be looking at the screen

unless there is autopilot enabled

[final robin]

The eqs already has reports of hyperscreen failure

[covert dragon]

i saw the videos

[vestal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/sausage-german-gif-4728644

[covert dragon]

the screens are lagging

tbh why dont they just get display companies to do it for em

why do they want to do it themselves and put laggy screens in a $100k car

its gross imo

[final robin]

Imagine after 5 years you can't drive ur car because someone spilled coffee on the screen

[covert dragon]

go for the overpriced screen replacement