transportation

[jagged sentinel]

Ye

I think Koenigsegg acknowledged that, too

[final robin]

Imagine a future where car mechanics are not men on overalls all greased up with multiple tools but some dude with a laptop

[jagged sentinel]

That's already what half of them are

You need a laptop for fucking everything on a car these days

[proper elbow]

Tbf with modern scantools you can already diagnose damn near most things

[final robin]

I mean yea but with evs, only thing that has to be replaced is a battery

[jagged sentinel]

That's not necessarily true

[final robin]

Ik

Consumables

[jagged sentinel]

Assuming they use conventional brake pads and discs and what not

[final robin]

No like with shift to evs, we'll be replacing more than repairing at a significantly higher rate than before

[jagged sentinel]

Yes, including conventional brake systems

[final robin]

[jagged sentinel]

Unless those get phased out

[final robin]

If regen could get to a point where it can be used instead of normal brakes we'll probably just have a drum brake set for parking purposes

The vw id cars already have ditched rear disk brakes for drums

[jagged sentinel]

Going backwards 40 years I see

[final robin]

[proper elbow]

Do EVs have brakes on the individual wheels or is it somewhere else on the driveline?

[jagged sentinel]

Some of them have conventional disc, pad and rotor systems

[final robin]

Its like the 20s and 30s flathead hotrod era
We know ev is gonna stay and we can make huge power but we still haven't mastered it

[final robin]

Regen is like a dynamo on the motor

[jagged sentinel]

It's so so so much easier to get huge power from EVs

[proper elbow]

Ah

[jagged sentinel]

You know what a KERS system is?

[proper elbow]

Nope will check it out

[jagged sentinel]

Kinetic Energy Recovery System

It's F1 tech

[final robin]

Ooh f1 stuff
Heard of it in the la ferrari no idea how it really works

[jagged sentinel]

Recovers the energy otherwise lost, like when braking, and stores it in a battery

And you can then apply that to throttle for a short moment of more power

That's the simple explanation

[proper elbow]

Wait. Are F1 cars hybrid?

[final robin]

I mean like a technical perspective

[final robin]

Kinda

[jagged sentinel]

Sort of

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or genuine

[final robin]

Like they aren't plug in prius style hybrids

[proper elbow]

Right

[final robin]

No big batteries iircs

But this kers system is there

[jagged sentinel]

I believe it's the same way the LaFerrari is

[final robin]

Ye

[jagged sentinel]

The electric motors and Engine work in tandem all the time

One can't be used without the other

[final robin]

😵‍💫

I'll have an naturally aspirated miata, thank you

[jagged sentinel]

Of course a LaFerrari makes a much better noise

[final robin]

The f1 tech is cool and all but i still don't like post 550 ferraris

[jagged sentinel]

Every Ferrari post 458 is mid

[old sedge]

Oh no...
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/25/business/electric-hybrid-corvette/index.html

[jagged sentinel]

Except the F12

[final robin]

Including the f12

[jagged sentinel]

They didn't say when

[jagged sentinel]

Fuck you

[final robin]

🔫

[jagged sentinel]

Crucially

[final robin]

I lowkey think they're doing this to increase sales

Even the challenger
It technically just was a concept

[jagged sentinel]

Dodge is phasing out the hemi next year, so

They will learn to regret that

[final robin]

When the probe was coming people thought the rwd mustang was dead and panic bought a lot of them
This gave them enough money to keep selling them

[old sedge]

It says here next generation though
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/corvette-z06-breaking-barriers/story?id=90693485

[jagged sentinel]

The only V8 American sports cars we'll have by 2025 is the Corvette and mustang

[jagged sentinel]

That isn't very specific

[final robin]

Unpopular opinion i don't really like the c8
Not its mid engine-ness but lack of manual

[old sedge]

I just hope they still build ICE Corvettes

[final robin]

Camaro ss 1le >

[jagged sentinel]

Unfortunately for you they will probably never be a manual C8 offered by Chevrolet

[final robin]

Ik

Apparently transmission is a structural unit

[old sedge]

Will there be a turbocharged Corvette though?

[final robin]

Ffs

[jagged sentinel]

Please God no

Supercharged or NA

[old sedge]

I would take the supercharged over NA

[jagged sentinel]

Then again the idea of a supercharged flatplane V8 just sounds wrong

[final robin]

[jagged sentinel]

I'm really not sure about the introduction of a flatplane V8 to a Corvette

I was absolutely not expecting that

[urban pond]

The real question is would you ever consider buying one if a Manual option was available

cause its always the same people who complain about cars not having manuals but wouldn't buy one regardless

same type of people with the A90 Supra

[final robin]

I wouldn't afford it now
But I will like 5-10 years later

[kind osprey]

@urban pond @final robin I can see the supra having a manual because it's really just focused on fun but the corvetter is more on the upper end of the price and performance spectrum so I don't know how well a manual version would do tbh.
People cry manual and praise it so hard but dual clutch/autos and paddle shifters are objectively faster and easier and usually when a product is easier and provides an objective benefit it tends to become the new normal.

I like manuals they are fun but they are by no means efficient or the most technologically effective way to shift

by almost every metric it is an outdated thing but it is kept by enthusiasts solely for the fun factor

[urban pond]

i wouldn't say the Supra is focused on fun that what the 86/GR86 have been for the past decade

[kind osprey]

ripping a manual car through a curvy mountain road, not much beats a feeling like that.

[digital lily]

It's disgusting

[urban pond]

Manuals are definitely fun but a Car like the new C8 would be terrible with a manual imo

especially the Z06

[final robin]

Yea the corvette better of auto if it wants to fight ferraris
But hey atleast we have camaro

[kind osprey]

what the actual fuck, that looks like a knock off kit of a fiero or mr2 trying to be a bmw

that is horrendous

[kind osprey]

It'll never turn like a Ferrari but it's a sub 100k car so for it's worth it does alright

[urban pond]

imo the Corvette has finally taken the jump to a lower price range super car

[final robin]

Yea

[digital lily]

the new c8 is kinda ugly to me because it's so narrow

and the wheels look too small and thin on it

[final robin]

Not actually beat ferraris i mean as a performance bargain

[urban pond]

i mean the Z06 will probably beat a few ferraris

[digital lily]

is it a bargain for 100k?

[urban pond]

for what you pay for in terms of performance, i'd say so

[kind osprey]

ok how did we go from this

to this

[digital lily]

muh honda civic gaps it and it costs 500$

[digital lily]

Wait it's even uglier

wtf

[urban pond]

im sure it does

i like the new headlights on the updated model tho

[digital lily]

you what

[kind osprey]

crack

is a hell of a drug

[urban pond]

you'd think for a company that slaps the same grill on every car they'd make it look better tho

[kind osprey]

No modern bmw has been looking good they are all slowly getting ruined

the m8 and the 5 series are the only ones untouched I think

or should I say unmolested

I would say the 7 series but the electric one looks hideous

normal is fine though

[digital lily]

the Audis are the only unmolested ones

mercs are getting boring

[kind osprey]

Looks wise Mercedes hasn't changed since 2014 their "new" generation just looks like a yearly face lift of the older generation (2014-2020)

it's what they are doing on the inside

the 4 cylinders on flag ship amg cars

[digital lily]

what

[kind osprey]

i'm sure it goes fast and performs great but yea it's a tiny four cylinder

[digital lily]

On the a class?

[kind osprey]

idk about the e class but I know it's on the c

[urban pond]

can still get a C Class with a V6

[digital lily]

not V8?

[kind osprey]

not rn this is like next year or the year after stuff

c43 and c63 will have four cylinder engines

[digital lily]

Is the S class the only one with the v8

12*

[kind osprey]

8

12 cylinder s classes are only reserved for the highest amg models and maybachs

and those are going away as well I assume

[digital lily]

was there a g class with a V12

[kind osprey]

yea the g65 last generation

but that generation of g sucked ass

the newer ones are a lot better

[final robin]

Ye m550i is ny favorite because it is untouched

[digital lily]

I like the older one purely for the looks

[kind osprey]

They all have the look

i'm glad they haven't fucked with it

[final robin]

I dont like the latest mercs

[digital lily]

I have a feeling that they'll end it soon

[kind osprey]

The new g class kept the same shape but fixed all the issues the last generation had

the last generation idk how anybody drove that god damn thing as a daily it was horrendous

as a true offroader was back in the day i guess

now everything is a luxury car

[digital lily]

to the mall and back

[kind osprey]

lol

[digital lily]

To the mall and to the autoshop

[final robin]

Screens and downsizing
The c63 has an integrated starter generator, e-supercharger, turbocharger and a plug in hybrid system😵‍💫

[urban pond]

they're nice Suvs ill give em that but i would want to buy one as a daily driver

[digital lily]

No off-roading on those giant wheels with rubber band tires

[kind osprey]

I would love to get an early 2000's g wagon as a secondary car, stuff some used portal axles on it and make it a monster

[final robin]

The only reasonably modern merc i like is the s65

[digital lily]

I like the the 2000s ones even more

[urban pond]

i've always had a soft spot for the SLS and AMG GT

[digital lily]

one weird thing about it is that the Windows reflect each other

you see a ghost car from the other side on the opposite window

[kind osprey]

They all look the same unless you go up close it's not even an exaggeration. Most people cannot distinguish a 1998 from a 2013

all of us in here can

but I mean generally

[digital lily]

my favorite one is the 2 door

[kind osprey]

oh those got expensive

damn

[urban pond]

imo thats been a majority of the 3 main Euro brands

[final robin]

Sls is cool but i never like the amg gt

[kind osprey]

I'm talking about the g wagon

what are you talking about?

[urban pond]

all them looking the same for the past generations

[final robin]

Except bmw

[kind osprey]

you mean like compared to one from 2015 and one from 2022?

[urban pond]

Bmw is the worst for that

[digital lily]

I was mad all day when my 2013 5.0 got gapped by an a45

[final robin]

Audis and mercs okay they look somewhat similar
Audi added more cuts and lines ruining their beautiful initial designs

Mercs actually got prettier

[digital lily]

yeah the Audis look a little too angular

it's overdone

[kind osprey]

wdym beautiful initial designs Audis were ugly until they got saved. The only good looking audi's from yonder that didn't look like copy paste volkswagen sedans were the quattros from the 80's and the rs2 co developed by Porsche

[final robin]

🔫

[digital lily]

well Audis are VW

[kind osprey]

I do agree that Audi's nowadays look like consumer Lamborghinis, it's interesting but can be overdone

[kind osprey]

that's the problem

[final robin]

Not like 2005 old, like 2018 old

[kind osprey]

a 2008 a6 and a 208 passat both looked like round snails

at least an a6 looks like a proper luxury car now

and not some reskinned economy seller

2018 is not old

[final robin]

I mean this was the prettiest audi from last decade

[kind osprey]

looks boring, not in a good or bad way, but it's just very subtle and dull

[digital lily]

looks nice to drive to the golf course and home

[kind osprey]

That gen of coupes was never really a stand out type of car

[digital lily]

I really like classy German coupes

[final robin]

Look how they uglified the s8

[digital lily]

ew

[kind osprey]

They made it look volkwagen'y

that's the main issue

they squared the back

[final robin]

I mean id take an e92 335i over the s5 any day

[kind osprey]

e92 3 series was farily boring as well, the only looker was the m3 when it had all the stuff added to it

[final robin]

Yea to me its the hyper aggressive cuts and lines that ruin it
But that said I never really preferred audis over bmw or merc tho

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

well it's not wrong, base models tend to look like doggy doo doo with Euro cars because they are usually all optioned out like crazy

[digital lily]

oh I love talking about cars I can't afford

[kind osprey]

same car but massive difference

[kind osprey]

relatable

[final robin]

Bottom is absolutely stunning
Top idk looks it it will explode

[kind osprey]

it must be hard to find these stock I can barely find a google image of one without shitty plastic bodykits taped to it

[digital lily]

"oi this new s class is ugly" yeah and it costs like my apartment

[digital lily]

Most of the older ones I see are modded asf

at least in meets

1/3 have slicks

[final robin]

The best s class of the decade

[kind osprey]

I think they got rid of the two door

sad days

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

The two door looks so eloquent

[final robin]

V12 621 hp mahn
Now literally depreciated half

[kind osprey]

sounds about right

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

they were like $120,000-$140,000 spankin new and four-five years later they are probably $59,995 at local jimmy and jons used car lot

[final robin]

Not 120 tho

More like 250

The s65

[kind osprey]

oh you were reffering specifically towards the amg ones

[final robin]

Ye

The v8s are cool too

[digital lily]

whaat

[final robin]

Even the gawdy maybach coupe is gone

[kind osprey]

well I think the Maybach coupe was an extremely limited line that was only around for a year

it was like $330,000 and they made only a few hundred of them for the world

[final robin]

I dont like the new maybachs
Too much chrome
Like a lady with too much makeup

The 62 and 57s were super nice (when they work)

[kind osprey]

omg the 62 was seriously something else

that thing was insane

It really was the true Roll Royce killer of its time

[final robin]

The new one sucks really

[kind osprey]

but after the 57 and 62 Maybach just became a littlee tiny shoudler model instead of a fully put out company that was branded everywhere.

so now a Maybach is just a better s class

which has its ups and down

upside is it's $200,000 instead of $350,000-$500,000

[final robin]

All those screens will look super crap after 3 years of fingerprints and scratches

[kind osprey]

downside is it isn't better than Roll Royce anymore

[final robin]

If i had the money and was cross-shopping id get an m550i and save the rest of the cash
Then again I don't have the money

[kind osprey]

If rolls royce is 100% then a regular s class would be like a 90% and the Maybach s600 is 95%

but back then there existed real RR competition

like the mulsanne and the s62

both of which are gone

[final robin]

rr sucks these days too

[kind osprey]

In what way

they are more traditional than a southern family with 6 loaded rifles on the wall they don't stray from anything quality wise

[final robin]

Idk the interior looks dated already

[vestal garnet]

'21 version?

[kind osprey]

It doesn't though, look up new rolls royce's they are insane

some of the things they do to these interiors

They custom design the entire dashboard for you with any material you want

[vestal garnet]

Wooden interior

[final robin]

I dont care if they put the queen's wedding dress stitched to the headliner it still has bmw switches

[kind osprey]

The only thing it shares with bmw are internal components

even the chassis is in house

[kind osprey]

Not all of them are wood

[final robin]

Stuff like the infotainment some switchgear etc are cheaped out

[kind osprey]

most of them are because only old people buy these things

Nothin about that car is cheaped out everything small like the blinker knobs etc are wrapped in either some fancy aluminum or leather

it's the least amount of plastic i've ever seen in a vehicle

[vestal garnet]

[kind osprey]

10 year old me would be screaming at this color combo, omg I love blue accents like this

[final robin]

Idk I've seen reviewers complain about the switchgears
Besides I don't like rrs or bentleys of today
Not as reliable as before

[kind osprey]

They were never reliable

they are

British

[final robin]

[vestal garnet]

british engineering

[final robin]

The straight 6 silver spurs were strong

To me RRs and Bentleys have gotten very.. superficial
They'll look cool now but after 10 years it will be really outdated

[kind osprey]

ten year old RR's and Bentley's even 30 year old ones still ride better and have more opulence than most new cars.

They are made to be the best and that stands the test of time

even if the screens and tech become outdated, true luxury never goes out of style

[final robin]

It rides better yea but all of the tech starts failing

[stiff flame]

Technically German now

Bentley is owned by VW group

RR is owned by BMW

[old sedge]

I think even classic RR and Bentley cars such as these are still seen as luxury cars and expensive until now.

https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/154740937166926633/

https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/193795590206638700/?mt=login

Personally, I would prefer having a 1960 RR Silver Cloud over an entry level Mercedes-Benz and BMW sedan.

Idk what's an entry level sedan of MB but I know that BMW 320i or 315i is an entry level sedan of BMW.

[final robin]

Yea this is what i mean
These cars are so much more.. solid

[old sedge]

These cars are collector's items with high sentimental value.

[final robin]

But i wouldn't buy it instead of a 320i tho
If i had that kinda money I'll buy an octavia/superb and save the rest

Or maybe a civic si and a miata

[old sedge]

Well, I'm planning to buy a used Mustang V8, I think it's 2017 model

[final robin]

Noice

[old sedge]

That would be 1-2 years from now

[final robin]

You into camaro ss ile

[old sedge]

I already asked my mentor if he can sell his Mustang to me, he said it's possible

[final robin]

Hmm 2018 camaro ss 1le are seggs

Cant go wrong either way

[old sedge]

Personally, I wouldn't buy brand new cars here, only used to avoid paying hefty price tag due to taxes and I don't have anyone I trust who owns a Camaro

[final robin]

Hmm

[old sedge]

Since my mentor might migrate, I would probably end up doing him a favor if I buy his Mustang anyway

[final robin]

Hmm

[old sedge]

My reason of buying a Mustang is to be able to travel fast

[final robin]

Is it manual

[old sedge]

AT

[final robin]

Aah still very nice choice

[old sedge]

But damn, I want this
https://www.carousell.ph/p/porsche-911-3-4-carrera-coupe-a-1182489658/?t-id=G0i4y_sC_y_1663151594150&t-product_id=1182489658&t-referrer_browse_type=item_item_rec&t-referrer_page_type=listing_page&t-referrer_product_id=1179278724&t-referrer_request_id=AlQp1slf-AQcxtZp&t-referrer_source=listing_page&t-tap_index=0

And nice paintjob too

At least it's a Porsche. What can possibly go wrong with owning a Porsche?

[final robin]

[old sedge]

Like if you're able to buy one, even if it's old

[final robin]

Porsches are relatively more reliable than other germans ig

[old sedge]

I think Porsche does have a reputation for reliability among high end sports car, I saw random comments which even call it the Toyota in that segment/market

[final robin]

Ye

[old sedge]

And if you ask me, I would still pick a Ford Mustang over a Nissan 370z

I wonder if this is a performance car or not.
https://www.carousell.ph/p/mercedes-benz-c250-sport-coupe-a-1187438193/?t-id=8Cs7vKku-N_1664875305952&t-product_id=1187438193&t-referrer_browse_type=item_item_rec&t-referrer_page_type=listing_page&t-referrer_product_id=1182489658&t-referrer_request_id=wuZLNHnvr81k_gPT&t-referrer_source=listing_page&t-tap_index=2

If this is, then this would probably be a better deal than a used Mustang V8

[final robin]

Drift exhaust

Oi get that mustang

[old sedge]

When I become regular in my airline career

[old sedge]

Oh my, maybe a Chevrolet high ranked employee read my chat in this channel...

https://insideevs.com/news/602020/chevrolet-corvette-electric-coming-then-suv/

[proper elbow]

ITS FINALLY HAPPENING

[urban pond]

middle aged men punching the air rn

[old sedge]

Now, we need this to become a reality too.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/what-if-the-toyota-supra-evolved-into-japan-s-ultimate-sports-suv-193273.html

[final robin]

Dont give them ideas

[sage roost]

No, we don’t

[jagged sentinel]

Who is "we"

[winged geyser]

that looks horrendous

[jagged sentinel]

It do

[proper elbow]

SUVify all the things

[heady swift]

and dangerous

those extremely rigid bodies tend to kill whoever's hit, and whoever's inside

[heady swift]

I would genuinely like to see something akin to this. Not a sporty suv, but a sportscar that can be used off-road

a safari 911 type of thing

[kind osprey]

Bentley's country of origin is Britain, and they have always been built there the parent company never determines where their country is from

Lamborghini is still Italy, Bugatti is still France

Chrysler dodge and jeep are still American, range rovers and Jaguar are still British,

[jagged sentinel]

So Lamborghini was American at one point, got it

[kind osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-person-usa-usa-flag-no-shirt-might-be-driven-on-gif-24993715

[jagged sentinel]

You can thank Lamborghini with the viper's V10

[sage roost]

Hot take

But

Id rather dodge discontinue the viper in 2017 with the V10 than still make it as an EV

[kind osprey]

Sounds like a good take to me

Don't use the corpse of what a legend was to make some shitty remake

Let it rest and be marveled at

[sage roost]

Listen to this Mitsubishi

[kind osprey]

Mitsubishi is long dead

[sage roost]

Yeah

Fuck them

what’s next, make the EVO a family electric SUV?

[kind osprey]

Hell yea

[kind osprey]

Evo x

Evo XI

Evo XII

[sage roost]

Looks good enough

You should work for them

[kind osprey]

Fr, fr

I'd be contributing to horrendous war crimes but it's probably $70,000 a year with benefits out of college so who cares

I'll use that money to buy a Lotus Elise and an old is300

[final robin]

We die like real men

[sage roost]

So you don’t even buy one of their cars? Shame!

[stiff flame]

True but you have to remember that they can be manufactured in the country of the parent company's country

[stiff flame]

Also range rover and jaguar are under Tata and are mostly manufactured in India now

[kind osprey]

Every one I listed is built where they are founded

[stiff flame]

Which doesn't change the fact that they are unreliable but you get my point

[kind osprey]

Cheaper cars may build them elsewhere

And I think Maserati builds some cars in Finland which is kinda random

I forgot if that was actually a thing

[stiff flame]

Finland isn't exactly a terrible place to have factories though

Also the Land Rover Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque are manufactured in India

[heady swift]

eh

logistically it's awful

but their scandinavian neighbours to house a lot of resources and technology, which is nice

[heady swift]

india is a ''better'' place

in terms of labour conditions, it's awful

but india does have better export abilities and routes than finland

[final robin]

[errant hazel]

box car!

[night steeple]

mitsubishi be slapping their iconic names on weird cars

coming soon, the evo reboot
the evo 1 suv ev

[rich patio]

wouldn't be suprised if that happened

it's all suv ev type shit

[covert dragon]

living conditions and taxes too

[final robin]

Is it awful compared to usa,, yes.
Syria? No

Taxes are shit tho

[tawny tangle]

is that the kuruma from gta

[kind osprey]

yea

[covert dragon]

FINALLYYY

[kind osprey]

Name the extremely rare ferrari

[heady swift]

Ferrari nismo 240zx gtr gen 7 testarossa

[proper elbow]

Ferrari LaFiero

[sage roost]

Ferrari TotallyNotNissan 240

[kind osprey]

What a timeless one it is

[drifting kelp]

Jus cannot wait to get my 928 done

[sage roost]

YOUR 928?

Niiice

[drifting kelp]

Ye

85' 928S on a 4.5 v8 wit the dogleg

Such a good looking car

[sage roost]

process of restoration yes?

[drifting kelp]

Yep

Went through 6 owners couldn't get it started i got it started after bout 5 years

And thing is In doing it for cheap and for show not gonna be a garage queen

[kind osprey]

Gadam that's a messed up 928, that looks like a great project car good luck

It must be satisfying to fix up something in that condition

[drifting kelp]

It was a full body before but everything was wrong lmao

The previous restorers lost and broke so many parts its better to just take the whole thing apart and do it right

[proper elbow]

Don't see too many 928s anymore. Tons of 944s, but 928 kinda rare

[drifting kelp]

This was it before

928 rare cos nobody knows how to work on it

Its a complex and tiny engine in an even smaller engine bay

[proper elbow]

tbf just a few years ago they weren't worth the expense.

[drifting kelp]

There's a fuel actuator, filter, resonator, and fuel pump

[proper elbow]

All those cars have skyrocketed in value over the last decade-ish

[drifting kelp]

Yea

Its cos of jdm cars realistically

[unique flicker]

Hi bros

[drifting kelp]

Euro cars dipped into the shadows for a few years and just blew up during covid and Ebola and whatever else happened

Also why so many are just half assed barely running cars with expensive wheels and a wrap

[kind osprey]

I wish I was born earlier ngl

[unique flicker]

Don't know bro

[kind osprey]

This is too much sadness to bear

All these cars going up too much

[drifting kelp]

Dw we will be fine

[unique flicker]

Fr

[drifting kelp]

Before you know it recession 11 will hit over this decade and we all become broke

From there there will be reforms and riots

[unique flicker]

K

[drifting kelp]

And there be new Dollar system and a smart govt

[proper elbow]

Back when I was in HS you could get a decent 944 for $4k

[drifting kelp]

Yea 944s the cheap mans 928

[jagged sentinel]

I don't know if I've ever seen a 928

At least a complete one

[drifting kelp]

They're funny looking its like a spaceship

[proper elbow]

They have a very unique rear profile with those windows

[jagged sentinel]

I know what they look like

I'm talking in-person

[drifting kelp]

They just need a bit of stance and it'll be beautiful

[proper elbow]

Oh no please don't stance it

[drifting kelp]

Yea its a very modular looking car in person lol

Not stance entirely

A couple centimeters

[jagged sentinel]

I'm biased against them but I still think they're interesting cars

[drifting kelp]

928s have like a rulers worth of ground clearance lmao

They're the luxury Saloon version of a 911

[jagged sentinel]

Didn't they have a V8

[drifting kelp]

Ye

4.5-5.0 V8

[jagged sentinel]

Very nice

Flat-plane or crossplane

[drifting kelp]

Can't remember think its crossplane for the 4.5 and 4.7 but flatplane for the 5.0

I do know they're all 90° motors tho not 60s

[jagged sentinel]

Eh, a V8 is a V8

[drifting kelp]

Yea lmao

Its still nippy tho

370 rated hp from stock on a 1400kg body

Fast for the 80s, a Camry nowadays

[jagged sentinel]

Took America like 30 years to get back to that kind of power

In regular-person cars anyway

(I'm an American cars > everything else kind of person)

[drifting kelp]

Oh lmao

I just like top speed sound and lowriders ion really bias countries

Thats why In my garage I've got 8 cars varying the world basically

[jagged sentinel]

There are cars I like from all of the regions, I just like American cars more basically by default

[drifting kelp]

Yea same tbf

American cars just strong same with euros

Like you feel fine when going fast not like it's gonna fall apart lmao(except Tesla)

[jagged sentinel]

I've ridden in some pretty sketchy American cars

Granted they weren't in the best condition

[drifting kelp]

Fieros and Vettes from the 80s in any southern or western state

[jagged sentinel]

Then I think any car person has been in that sort of situation

[drifting kelp]

Yea I've gone 100 in my 62 beetle

Do not recommend lost a hubcap and some dignity that day

[jagged sentinel]

I've been over 100 a few times

One of said times I was driving

[drifting kelp]

Yea but ever in a beetle b4?

[jagged sentinel]

On a track, in a controlled scenario

[jagged sentinel]

No

[drifting kelp]

Mexico per se

Beetles sketchy as fuc bro when you ride in em its shaky as hell

[jagged sentinel]

No, it was actually that

[drifting kelp]

Oh lol

I've been 200mph in my Lumina

[jagged sentinel]

The car wasn't mine

Ok I'll just stop beating around the bush lmao

It was an R8

[drifting kelp]

Oh nice lol

If we lived close it would've been a fun race between my lumina

500hp similarly and similar top speed

[jagged sentinel]

The acceleration was other-worldly

[drifting kelp]

U got weight but the R8 get sketchy at 170+

Yea R8s pull cleanly

[jagged sentinel]

Nah, it was stable

[drifting kelp]

No 170mph lmao

Almost 300kmh

[jagged sentinel]

It was the R8 V10 performance

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah, I reached close to that speed iirc

[drifting kelp]

Oh word

[jagged sentinel]

I'm an American

[drifting kelp]

Yea I had the first gen one that I took to 180 then tapped off

[jagged sentinel]

That R8 spoiled me

[jagged sentinel]

The one I drove was a '19

[drifting kelp]

Mines was like a 2014 or sum lmao one of the first of the first models

[jagged sentinel]

Even in the most serious mode, it was still very easy to drive despite the power

[drifting kelp]

The one with the rectangle headlights

Yea thats what supercars cater to lol

[jagged sentinel]

Low speeds specifically

[drifting kelp]

Very fun very safe with tech for drivers who don't kno what to do sometimes

[jagged sentinel]

I knew it would likely be pretty easy to drive

And it was

[drifting kelp]

Yea still is a very good car honestly

[jagged sentinel]

They didn't let me do manual mode

[drifting kelp]

Yea manual removes stability

That can cause the car to be vastly unstable

[jagged sentinel]

What

[drifting kelp]

Going into manual

It disables your ESC and TCS sensors

[jagged sentinel]

[drifting kelp]

As it overloads with manual gear selection

So its not safe if you can't counter snap steer which even the gt3 R8s have

[jagged sentinel]

I mean they let people driving the hellcats use manual, so

[drifting kelp]

Yea cos hellcats emulate manual esc and have a disable button

On DCTs it overloads the memory to try manual like that

Blew up my esc box on my R32 Golf to know how lmao

[jagged sentinel]

I mean

There's a bit of a disparity between those two cars

[drifting kelp]

Yea ofc but its a similar system

[jagged sentinel]

The only cars they didn't allow people to use manual on was the Shelby GT500 and huracan

[drifting kelp]

Esc master box still confuses itself on both lol

10 speed on the gt500?

[jagged sentinel]

7

[drifting kelp]

Oh den dats odd lmao

[jagged sentinel]

I mean

760 horsepower

Then again it does weigh 2 tons

[kind osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-gif-24390027

[jagged sentinel]

I wish they offered a Camaro ZL1 but

[drifting kelp]

Zl1 most ppl wouldn't be able to see out off lmao

[jagged sentinel]

Only really need to see forwards really

[drifting kelp]

Good ol Camaro front view being bad since 2009

[jagged sentinel]

I wish they didn't restrict the lines we could take as much

then again I did kinda stop listening halfway through the drive

[drifting kelp]

Lmao all track drivers ignore instructors after like 10mins

[jagged sentinel]

I'm not even sure I was out that long

I wanna drive the hellcat quite badly

I want that supercharger whine

[drifting kelp]

It jus pulls its fun as fuc

[jagged sentinel]

Power isn't all that important to me

It's the sound that I'm after the most

[drifting kelp]

Yea a 2.3l supercharger should do the trick lmao

[jagged sentinel]

Like this truck isn't that fast but damn does it sound awesome

[drifting kelp]

That shit prob fast asf lmao light frame and body on a v8

[jagged sentinel]

It's a 5.3

[drifting kelp]

Ye ain't dat like 3 - 400hp

[jagged sentinel]

300 max

[drifting kelp]

300 fast lmao shit jus dummy quick nowadays

[jagged sentinel]

I mean

My maverick has a better quarter mile then that truck, assuming that truck is stock anyway

[drifting kelp]

It ain't its a stroker

Prob on sum holleys and headers too

[jagged sentinel]

How do you know it's a stroker

[drifting kelp]

The idle

The chop is a stroker or a supercharger surge

[jagged sentinel]

That idle is the squarebody

[drifting kelp]

Then the square body stroked lmao

[jagged sentinel]

I'm talking about the bugeye Silverado

Not the squarebody

[drifting kelp]

Oh alr ye prolly den

[jagged sentinel]

I have no idea what sort of upgrades the squarebody has

[drifting kelp]

Ye squarebody sound fast tho

[jagged sentinel]

Old car+no mufflers automatically means beefy sound tbf

[drifting kelp]

Na its stroked you can hear the chop

On good cams too idle drops too slow to be stock

[jagged sentinel]

Tbf it was in gear

[drifting kelp]

Na smallblocks take a while to drop regardless of gear

Built ones drop fast for racing performance

[jagged sentinel]

College is cool

The video does not do justice HOW LOUD THIS THING WAS

[drifting kelp]

Thas no exhaust rite there

[jagged sentinel]

At idle it was louder then that bugeye at redline

[drifting kelp]

Ye thas pure header noise lmao

[jagged sentinel]

The engine doesn't have paint on it of any kind

That's how you know the shit ain't stock☠️

[jagged sentinel]

...In case it wasn't obvious due to other factors

[drifting kelp]

Bruh goes to the most redneck college out there lmao

[jagged sentinel]

All-automotive school in bumfuck, OH

I think my dorm room accounts for like a fifth of the newish vehicles on campus💀

[drifting kelp]

Lmao

[jagged sentinel]

One of my roommates has one of my dream cars

[drifting kelp]

Wat he got

[jagged sentinel]

2017 Silverado in a blue pearl

Z71, LTZ, 6.2

Veri nais

It's nothing crazy but I've always wanted a truck like it

Just let me have my attainable dream cars alright

[opal forum]

[kind osprey]

I wish it was

[jagged sentinel]

My college is cool

There

Fixed it

[urban pond]

A shitbox parade float

[proper elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/vodyani-endless-space2-core-cracker-orbital-cannon-gif-20109196

[final robin]

sTAncE bRo

I physically cringe at that porche

[drifting kelp]

What porsche lmao

Thicc

[proper elbow]

Mmm Chevy SS

[kind osprey]

I don't see a Porsche in there

but I do see a Veilside rx-7

https://tenor.com/view/han-fast-and-furious-gif-11361017

funny Han car

[drifting kelp]

Issa Lumina the unlimited version of the SS

Funny car it is 4 different names for the same thing

[kind osprey]

My favorite Holdenchevypontiac ss ss ss

[drifting kelp]

HoldenChevyPontiacVauxhall G8 Lumina SS Commodore GXP

[final robin]

Ooh its an s2k

Solid car

[drifting kelp]

Smash

[final robin]

Another solid car

When it works*

[kind osprey]

Solidly expensive

[final robin]

It depreciates faster than it accelerates

But seriously i think it is the last of the v8 mercedes that isn't an amg

[kind osprey]

[spare summit]

airplanes

[copper sierra]

I like planes

[spare summit]

same

[copper sierra]

What plane is your favourite?

[spare summit]

airline planes in general

[copper sierra]

Now I'm liking very much a plane in especific, Sopwith Pup

an WWI plane

[jagged sentinel]

t r u k

[proper elbow]

Cute and tiny truck 🤗

[final robin]

@jagged sentinel i don't know what to believe anymore

[sage roost]

Yep, very tiny

[jagged sentinel]

What😱

[final robin]

I say u in #anime-manga
I am very disappointed

[jagged sentinel]

You see me in there you mean?

You can thank Edgerunners for that

[final robin]

Weak

[heady swift]

I personally hate stanced cars

[urban pond]

"Nah bro you're just a hater"

[final robin]

[jagged sentinel]

https://jalopnik.com/the-2023-audi-r8-coupe-v10-gt-rwd-is-one-hell-of-a-good-1849604146
So long R8, it's been good.

[final robin]

[urban pond]

Imagine A month later Huracan gets discontinued too

[old sedge]

It's so hard to say goodbye to respected cars like this...

[old sedge]

Ah shit, now a key to our van was lost, how do we disable the alarm without the remote key?

Is it possible to change the codes of immobilizer and transponder key to make sure the lost key's access will be removed?

[final robin]

I have no idea
Maybe call the dealer or something

[main cosmos]

A wild DeLorean at new york Comicon
It's sooo cool in person i swear 😩

[opal forum]

One of the best looking mercedes sedans imo

[final robin]

[final robin]

Tesla semi has entered production

[kind osprey]

[jagged sentinel]

real

[winged geyser]

[remote steeple]

Oh my

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XZKKv7SnWAM?feature=share

[final robin]

My dumbass is trying to figure out what car that was supposed to be

[jagged sentinel]

He says in the video it's the "back to the future car"

Doesn't he

[final robin]

Oh i didn't watch

But this looks more front engined tho

[covert dragon]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/power-outage-woodlands-checkpoint-queues-immigration-delays-2997626

imagine being at a checkpoint at midnight and it went completely dark

[final robin]

Sounds like a tuesday here

[covert dragon]

transportation in singapore

[earnest canopy]

the r8 is my dream car 😦

looks like i gotta set the bar lower

[kind osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Ap3Gz58Xos8?feature=share

[sage roost]

Then they speed up when you try to overtake

[final robin]

[hybrid charm]

Here people drive in the emergency lane to pass traffic

[final robin]

Here we have no lanes

[hybrid charm]

Damn I need a motorcycle

[final robin]

Me too

[hybrid charm]

I can get a bike up to 50cc

Cause not a Adult

Yet

[final robin]

Hmm

[hybrid charm]

Public transport is really starting to get on my nerves

[final robin]

I really want an Enfield but that's out of my budget
I'm looking forward to buy one of those cheap used 125cc ones

[hybrid charm]

The good thing is if you have a driving license here you can drive a 50cc without having a motorcycle license

Soo

[final robin]

Aah

[hybrid charm]

Nice bikes

I googled it

[final robin]

I ride a 125cc scooter atm its fine and all does 2l to 100km but I feel like a kid on a tricycle

[hybrid charm]

A Honda c50 is nice

Very popular here

[final robin]

Supercubs are cool

Where u

[hybrid charm]

Greece

[proper elbow]

Just curious. Are there a lot of Japanese bikes in the Mediterranean?

[hybrid charm]

Ye

[proper elbow]

Mostly Hondas or like Kawasaki/yamaha

[hybrid charm]

Yep

I've seen some Ducati and some aprilla tho

And harleys

But more often it's japanese bikes

[final robin]

Not a huge fan of ducatis or other sportsbikes

[hybrid charm]

Every 16yr has a c50 or a glx or a crypton x

And some other Lil bikes

How do you call them in English

[final robin]

I want something... mature like a cafe racer or an enfield

[hybrid charm]

We literally call them ducks

Ye those are nice

I don't think I have the balls to go 200+ in a motorcycle

Especially in greece

[final robin]

[hybrid charm]

Cause you know we have some good drivers here

Really good

[final robin]

I think I'll enjoy more at 70km on an interceptor than 200km on the verge of death

[hybrid charm]

200+kmh with one foot in the grave

[final robin]

[hybrid charm]

300+kmh is 1,5 legs in the grave

Imagine someone's brakes failing at 300+

[final robin]

Not a bad way to die

[hybrid charm]

Well

I would just see what the max speed I can go before I get turned to a mashed potato

[final robin]

I went 85 in my shitty scooter, its max speed
Everything was so shaky

[hybrid charm]

if you give me the fastest bike in the world and you send me to highway 10 in sau with no traffic I would go top speed

I think the ninja h2 is the fastest

Prob not anymore

Ye

This is

440kmh

[heady swift]

never genuinely tested

it's an estimate

[hybrid charm]

Well

[heady swift]

doesn't account for rider, environment and if the tyres can actually handle it

which they probably don't

[hybrid charm]

Who has the balls to go that fast

[heady swift]

quite a lot of people

[hybrid charm]

In a bike

[heady swift]

but it's extremely sketchy because MTT isn't known for motorbikes, the design is hmmm

like, if suzuki, bmw, toyota, ducati, etc make a model like that

then people would genuinely want to try that

but that MTT bike seems extremely unsafe, untested and a bit of a scam

[hybrid charm]

I've never heard of it

[heady swift]

exactly

[hybrid charm]

Also I've just noticed it has a fricking turbine engine

Mfs made a oppressor

Ye I wouldn't get in a motorcycle with a turbine

https://youtu.be/fJjmAZBqIYQ

Oppressor mk1

Damn

[final robin]

Ew bikes

[covert dragon]

i agree

cars > fucking motorcycles

1. they are so dangerous omg
2. no shelter
3. so loud
4. just a small little bike and taking a whole lane on the road

[kind osprey]

Bikes are great, beautiful power to weight since you can shove a 1.3 liter 4 cylinder in it and it'll weigh only like 650 pounds

they'll go faster than mclaren f1's

but I would never user a bike on crowded public roads

[final robin]

I like bikes tho
Can't get a more connected motoring experience than a manual bike

[kind osprey]

too dangerous

[final robin]

I use bikes only on crowded conditions

On highways i take my shitbox skoda

[kind osprey]

I'm not much of a motorcycle person I can spot out cars from a mile away if I see a bike I still have to look at the brand logo lol

These would be in my garage if I had money to burn

[final robin]

I don't like these sports or super bikes

[kind osprey]

you like the fat people bikes?

[hybrid charm]

Take out the 3rd

[final robin]

I like bullets but not stuff like Harleys

[kind osprey]

they are extremely loud

[kind osprey]

ah

[final robin]

Nortons are cool

[hybrid charm]

Ye but it's nice

[covert dragon]

the only bike thats good is oppressor mk2

[kind osprey]

nice with ear plugs

bike engines do not any anything to dampen sound they can be like 120db

[hybrid charm]

I can handle that with some painkillers

[kind osprey]

[final robin]

Noice bike

[hybrid charm]

I'm joking have you heard a fricking superduke with a custom exhaust

[covert dragon]

only bike that is great is a flying bike

i wish these are more accessible in the future

i mean they already exist but they are so expensive

[kind osprey]

💀

[final robin]

This bad boy doess 100kmpl (230 mpg)

I'm looking to get a used one actually

[kind osprey]

not really they are all shitty prototypes than are just ridable drones/mini helicopters

it'll never be something marketable or for sale

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

wow

[jagged sentinel]

Or concepts

[covert dragon]

well i want that

[hybrid charm]

My ears were ringing

[final robin]

Has like 7hp of pure muscle

[covert dragon]

i want something that can fly but is small enough to fit in garage

[jagged sentinel]

And/or are the sort of concept that are never meant to advance past the stage of being a concept

[final robin]

It would be really uneconomical

[covert dragon]

do yall like rolls royce

[final robin]

Not the modern ones

[covert dragon]

why

[jagged sentinel]

A la the Lamborghini Egoista

[jagged sentinel]

They made one just because they could

[kind osprey]

It does look fun to do ngl but i'd rather to the water jetpacks those are more obtainable

[jagged sentinel]

The paint on the Egoista isn't exactly economical
Like, at all

[kind osprey]

I'm more of a supercar light agile handling car type person but I really respect the craftsmanship of luxury cars like Bentley, Rolls Royce, Maybach etc

Rolls Royce's method of building the cars is insane

[jagged sentinel]

Bell actually made a fully working, stable jetpack

It only flew for like 20 seconds or something though

[kind osprey]

they are completely justified to price them as expensive as they are

they are the last pre war style coach builder imo

[jagged sentinel]

And it was pneumatic iirc

[kind osprey]

guys like 200 feet in the air and it just stops

[covert dragon]

i like porsche but tbh practically a rolls royce would be better? like most of the time you cannot travel the speed a porsche can, so luxury would be more important at this point?

[kind osprey]

oof

[jagged sentinel]

Not if fuel economy is even a remote concern, which to be fair it won't be if you're the type of person that can afford a rolls

[kind osprey]

Most Porsche's are very all around cars, they are luxury and sport. Rolls Royce and Porsche are two very different companies with two very different goals. You oinly get a Roll Royce if you are not driving it, or just was to really get the best daily driving experience

Rolls Royce is 10/10 luxury but like 4/10 handling and sportiness. Porsche is 7-8 luxury but 9-10 sportiness

RR is for people who want the extremists 10/10 luxury

[covert dragon]

mercedes handling is really good

tbh i would personally rather have maybach over a rolls royce

[final robin]

I dont like both of em

[kind osprey]

old maybach's (2005-2011) or the newer mercedes trim ones?

[covert dragon]

newer ones

[covert dragon]

why tho

[kind osprey]

The 2011 Maybach s62 is a fucking monster it still beats modern maybach trim s classes

[final robin]

Anything over an m550i is pretentious to me

[covert dragon]

whats the most expensive/luxurious car yall ever sit in

[covert dragon]

the s class is kinda sporty

[covert dragon]

maybach is based on s class

[kind osprey]

This was/is a true rolls royce killer

[final robin]

Cognoscenti irl

[kind osprey]

It was $550,000 when it was new

You can find good ones for only $100,000 now

[final robin]

New machbachs are fancy s classes tho

[kind osprey]

Yea the s57 and s62 were actual maybachs

they didn't share much s class to them

but the new maybachs are just s class trims

You know a car was good when it is almost 12 years old and still better than most new competition

[covert dragon]

s class are sporty

i like s class

i have sat in one many times because my malaysian uncle drives it all the time

but the interiors is always black, full black. and only blue lighting, and wasting money on shit he never uses

[kind osprey]

S classes are more luxury than sport if you was a sporty long luxury sedan you have to get a BMW 7 series

[covert dragon]

they are quite sporty too

especially with AMG engines

[kind osprey]

yea the amg helps most modern cars are a mush of everything, now every car is sporty tech filled and luxurious

back then it was one thing for each car

if you wanted a sports car it was bare bones and had no luxury

if you wanted a luxury car it was comfy but had no sport or kick to it

[covert dragon]

i want luxury and sporty

[kind osprey]

only in the mid 90's did this really change

before that you had a car for each occasion

now most cars do it all

[covert dragon]

tbh a taycan and s class from importers is not much difference in price

[kind osprey]

High trim Taycans are around the same price as most s classes

so makes sense

[heady swift]

depends on where they're imported

a heavy ICE car tends to have much higher taxation than electric alternatives

[covert dragon]

taycan here is like SGD 351,958+SGD 95,856 (COE)
s class here is like SGD 508,988 inclusive of COE

[covert dragon]

here there is ARF rebates, they dont care if it’s electric or not, it is based on emissions, A2 emissions gets SGD 15,000 ARF rebate, for A1 they get SGD 25,000

[heady swift]

here it's a mix of pre-tax value, emissions, power output, car class and weight

[covert dragon]

well ARF is basically a tax on the vehicle based on OMV

[covert dragon]

@final robin maybe a motorcycle isnt that bad now

[kind osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/d8qcNWQSKNg?feature=share

[urban pond]

For the prices you spend on sports cars nowadays it’d be dumb not to have a lot of these features

[final robin]

In india its legal thats why i do it
In some countries like usa you cant do this in traffic jams

[covert dragon]

why cant you

[final robin]

I get it tho

In jams bikers go left and right taking every possible gap annoying the hell out of people
Besides if they scratch a car it's hardly a smudge on their handlebars but an expensive repair for us

[jagged sentinel]

I'd take an AMG over a Maybach

A V8 AMG, anyway

[final robin]

M550i, alpina b5>

I will die on this hill

[kind osprey]

A 5 series is an e class equivalent

It's not onnthe same level as a 7 series, s class, Maybach, or Rolls Royce

But it's also cheaper so that makes sense

[final robin]

You dont need more

[kind osprey]

Yea the 5 series is a very good sedan

Stack up options make it like $85,000 and it's probably the best equipped sedan on the market rn sub 100k

[final robin]

Yee

M550i>m3 or c63 definitely

V8 power 523hp

[kind osprey]

The m3 and c63 are coupe sports cars

Different buyers

[final robin]

The sedan versions

[jagged sentinel]

Isn't the M3 a 4-door now

[final robin]

Ye

M4 is coupe

Both are fugly

M3 m4 are manual which is good but if you are looking for auto m550i is a better deal

[covert dragon]

@kind osprey are car lanes wide in America

i heard its very wide

here its literally nothing but 2.8 meters

[old sedge]

I love this car ad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmSEC6hSBes

[kind osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/443832466462081044/1029523002943078553/IMG_9765.jpg

absolute undies dropper

[covert dragon]

Singapore

[kind osprey]

Are those prices in USD???

[covert dragon]

SGD sir

[kind osprey]

still probably triple the price they are normally

[covert dragon]

that is SgCarMart a Singapore car website so its SGD

[kind osprey]

I'd buy it in England then drive it over

lol

[covert dragon]

cant

[kind osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-me-gif-15013287

[covert dragon]

if you a resident of singapore you cannot drive foreign registered vehicles in
for work pass holders not residents of singapore you can drive it in but must keep it out for at least 6 hours a day
for tourism yes you can
foreign registered vehicle need to pay VEP

https://onemotoring.lta.gov.sg/content/onemotoring/home/driving/entering_and_exiting_singapore/cars-and-motorcycles-registered-in-malaysia.html

[kind osprey]

It's gotta be cheaper to bring a $500,000 RR and pay their bullshit than to pay $1,400,000 just to simply have it ready for you

I just really find it baffling how much they upcharge cars there

It's almost unethical but I heard the transit is good there at least

[final robin]

Looks could be worse but 3800 pounds
So its as heavy as an m4

[kind osprey]

That's almost 4000 pounds?

jesus

[covert dragon]

its not unethical at all

singapore is a land with like very small space

and we actually have a shit ton of people

unless you want traffic jam to be fucking crazy there has to be some form of vehicle quota control system

so the truth is that not everyone will be able to get a car

the bidding system is the best way possible, whoever pays the most gets it, if you dont get it you can take public transport and enjoy the peak hour squeeze

and unlike american cities that arent very walkable, and unlike european cities that arent really driveable, singapore has a good balance

in those heavy traffic area our roads are wide enough for cars to drive without much traffic jam and for people to walk around without isses

its a really well designed city imo

the only thing i disagree with is them now building public housing in prime locations, bro i would not like public housing to be built next to my luxury condo and ruin the vibes and property price

its not like you NEED to live in the prime locations anyways

[old sedge]

What do you guys think of this?
https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-industry-news/japanese-company-developing-night-vision-for-cars.html

[final robin]

Didn't mercedes s class have it like 15 years ago

Cool but it works only on select situations

[covert dragon]

lmao yes

luxury cars always get advanced features first

then it goes to the executive

like E class

then goes down to like cheap cars

[final robin]

Yea

I dont mind having an extra eye of safety and all but if its connected to autobraking a stops the car for no reason at all I'd be mad

[covert dragon]

i dont like many features to go to those cheap cars

if they do that then i hope the more expensive ones gets even safer and more features

[final robin]

First step towards safety is to remove the stupid reliance on screens

[covert dragon]

like now entry level cars get so many features

[final robin]

Such a distractor

[covert dragon]

screens are cool

[covert dragon]

well voice assistant exists

[final robin]

Maybe

[covert dragon]

but yes, i agree there should be buttons on the steering wheel

but tbh these high end cars will have autopilot

[covert dragon]

i think better cars should still be safer

after all everything should be much better if im paying 3 times more

[final robin]

Idk
Either i want full self driving or complete control

[covert dragon]

the material quality should be better

on the better brands