transportation

[proper elbow]

https://www.hertz.com/blog/shelby-mustang/

[old sedge]

Is renting that expensive?

[jagged sentinel]

Doesn't that have like 850 horsepower

Or is it 900

[proper elbow]

750ish afaik

[jagged sentinel]

Stock, yes

[proper elbow]

unless they upgraded the Hertz models

[old sedge]

I think the 900hp only existed in Need For Speed movie

[jagged sentinel]

https://www.hertz.com/blog/shelby-mustang/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw94WZBhDtARIsAKxWG--D_Rezs3ESQLsg8sKCKDF_3G3rxc64zbkEhHZLWrvPI5FJynOh0-IaAkKJEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

@proper elbow

[old sedge]

And oh my, the new Corvette here costs $184,120.68. It's a great vehicle and must have for performance car collectors

[proper elbow]

oh

[old sedge]

Oh wow, they turned the 900hp Mustang into a reality

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah💀

[proper elbow]

[jagged sentinel]

That is a fucking based move from Hertz

And you can't tell me otherwise

[proper elbow]

Yeah so I parked it outside of the mall and when I came out it was just gone!

[old sedge]

They have trackers anyway

GPS trackers scare car thieves

And cars have immobilizers

[jagged sentinel]

I don't think they track every second of every day

[proper elbow]

I will construct a large faraday cage

[jagged sentinel]

That wouldn't do the battery any favors

[jagged sentinel]

Just put a nerve agent under the seat that goes off if the car starts without the key

[old sedge]

Some people suggested to put range on push start/stop ignition equipped cars

That if they go out of keyfob's range, the car will just stop

But I think that will cause dangers

[jagged sentinel]

My mom's Durango has that

The car won't start if the key fob isn't in the car iirc

Either that or the car doesn't move

Don't remember which

[old sedge]

I see

Although their point is if the car was started and driven away illegally by use of range extenders, if the car is 20 miles away from the keyfob, then the car will suddenly stop

[proper elbow]

Same on my Mazda. Can't start it. It'll keep driving though if it's already running - just beeps constantly

[jagged sentinel]

Why 20? Why not a half mile?

[old sedge]

I think that's just an example

[jagged sentinel]

Ah

[old sedge]

But what I like about keyswitch ignition is the immobilizer actually works

One GTA incident was foiled here in Ph because the carjackers couldn't start the car with keyswitch ignition and immobilizer because the car was immobilized

[jagged sentinel]

Don't kias and Hyundais not have immobilizers?

[old sedge]

I'm not sure but that car was a Toyota

And gosh, here, Ford detuned the Endeavor and Ranger's 2.0L turbocharged engine a little

[jagged sentinel]

How much do they make

[old sedge]

The 2.0 Biturbocharged of the new one has 207hp and 500Nm torque. The torque is same but it has less 3 from the outgoing version

And the 2.0L single turbo version got downgraded from 178hp to 168hp and from 420Nm torque to 405Nm torque

[jagged sentinel]

Oof

My 2.0 Turbo from my maverick makes around 250hp

Not sure why they don't just use that

[old sedge]

Petrol?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

I'm in the US

American companies don't really do small diesel engines for regular passenger vehicles

For the american market I mean

[old sedge]

Oh, I'm talking about the Ford Endeavor's 2.0L diesel engine, for both bi-turbo and single turbo

[old sedge]

Now, many people here in Ph would probably prefer petrol engines over diesel engines because diesel fuel has become even more expensive than petrol fuel than months ago

But it's good so that petrol powered vehicles will have even more chances of competing in the industry

[jagged sentinel]

Take notes California
https://www.aeaweb.org/research/electric-transition-banning-gasoline-vehicles

[old sedge]

Ugh, I'm really gonna miss ICE engines

But it is what it is

[kind osprey]

We need to make utility and boring vehicles electric first

Bugattis and Paganis are not hurting the environment

There are less than 1000 of them combined

[jagged sentinel]

Modern cars spew out 1% of the shit they did in the 60s

[kind osprey]

Pretty much

[jagged sentinel]

Plus every Tesla battery made pollutes more then a new car does its first year or two of driving

According to the Germans

[kind osprey]

Depending on kilowatt per hour, it could be up to 5 or 6 years of owning the car before it evens out to neutral ti the environment

[jagged sentinel]

Ask me for the source

[kind osprey]

Like a nissan leaf will take two years but a model x will take double if not more

[jagged sentinel]

I fucking dare you (rhetorical)

[kind osprey]

The source is I made it the fuck up

[jagged sentinel]

https://fee.org/articles/electric-cars-aren-t-nearly-as-green-as-people-think/

I'm literally doing a college essay on this shit, so

[kind osprey]

Nice

[final robin]

If you are shipping batteries from China, electronics from Japan, Steel from Germany for your bmw ix, no its worse for the environment

Well to wheel analysis of BEVs has to be conducted I'm pretty sure a 5yr old corolla does lesser damage to the next 100,000 miles than upgrading to the latest and greatest EV

[main cosmos]

Electric cars are like how apple removed the phone charger to "protect the environment"
In reality, all they did that they shifted their environmental impact on you or other companies while making it worse.

No one cares about the environment, they only pretend when they wanna make money, A LOT of MONEY.

[urban pond]

ngl new Mustang is hot

love how Dodge is going electric for their flagship cars, while Ford Straight up said "You can rev your engine from your keyfob lmao"

[old sedge]

If the EVs remain unchanged while all ICEs, including hybrids, get phased out, I can imagine this meme becoming a reality...

[old sedge]

If this is true, then this gives an impression that phasing out ICEs to save the environment is like not treating a symptom instead of cause. Besides, many power generators still use oil and gas so those will still provide emissions, especially if they will still use gas or diesel power generators to charge EV batteries.

[final robin]

Sometimes the most obvious culprit isn't the biggest one
Modern clothing, plastics, cosmetics etc are all petrochemical based industries

[old sedge]

Besides, EV fires may be rarer but more dangerous

[final robin]

I wonder what will happen if an ev fire engine gets on fire

[old sedge]

That will be so bad since EV fires are harder to extinguish than ICE vehicle fires

[final robin]

Also i hate the fact that mobile phones are integrated now

[urban pond]

wdym by that?

[final robin]

You'll have to buy a new phone when the battery dies out

There was a time when we could use a phone or a laptop for 5 years easy
I dont think even apps support that nowadays
Slowly forcing you to buy e waste over and over

[urban pond]

ngl kind of confused what you mean

you can use phones for multiple years, easily

[final robin]

2-3 yes

Then slowly apps don't work on that version of android

[urban pond]

i mean if an App doesn't work on a version of a phone, then thats the app developers issue

[final robin]

Ya

[urban pond]

im also confused on what you meant by "hate the fact that mobile phones are integrated now"

[final robin]

Battery can't be removed by ourselves rt

Same with laptops

[urban pond]

oh, i though you were talking about in terms of Cars

[final robin]

Self repair is a right taken away slowly because replacing is profitable

[urban pond]

i dont see the issue with that personally tho, i have never had a need to remove the battery from my phone or any laptop

i mean Tesla has big issues with people fixing their own cars but its Tesla so if you buy one thats on your dumbass

[old sedge]

I'll continue to say what I think about phones and gadgets in #tech-coding-math

[final robin]

That's because well the tesla buying demographic is...well

[urban pond]

Teslas are the new Fuckboy/Basic bitch car

like before every douchebag and generic girl bought BMWs now its Tesla

[old sedge]

Tesla might become the EV version of BMW

[urban pond]

it practically is

They have as much personality as the same people who drive them

and the ones who "Customize them" just but on the ugly matte purple wrap

[old sedge]

Not to mention Tesla intrudes in your privacy

[urban pond]

like sorry this color on your car doesn't make it cool

[old sedge]

Looks mismatched

[urban pond]

i googled Generic Tesla wrap and found this

[final robin]

Aah yes oil on water wraps

[urban pond]

its an alright looking color just nothing interesting

[final robin]

I used to like chameleon colors
Then I became 7

[remote steeple]

Probably not for you, but right to repair is a big issue both for here and #tech-coding-math

[old sedge]

What happened to DIY repairs for cars then?

[final robin]

Spotted a vrs octavia
The mercedes s class owner was confused why i took pic of a skoda over his douchemobile

[old sedge]

I'm surprised that the Glickenhaus 007S is not here, Jim said that it will be priced around $2 million.
https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/other/the-most-expensive-cars-in-the-world/ss-AA11Rab0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=59f8daf9a41344eab39714dde652bbcc

[final robin]

2 mill is chump change now
People modding irl

[old sedge]

Some cars in that list are below $1 million though

[final robin]

Bruh

A chiron is 2 mill

[kind osprey]

Idk why anyone in an s class would think someone is taking a picture of their car like it is anything interesting

[kind osprey]

An s class is a beautiful car but it's common and not anything exotic

Not picture worthy

[kind osprey]

None of these lists are ever accurate and even if they are they are missing a ton of vehicles and skipping around

I just looked through that list, it's like the rest of them, outdated and skipping a shit ton of cars. They show a lot of new cars and what they went for when the car came out. If it said "list of the most expensive modern cars" that would make sense

But they showed a Ferrari from 1962

So now they are bringing in old cars

There are a lot of old cars that sell for tens of millions of dollars

There are very few new cars that do that

It is basically only Pagani Bugatti and Rolls Royce that do that and they are bespoke one off or three off vehicles

[final robin]

Haha yea

I can probably think of cars worth more than a mill in 5 seconds

[kind osprey]

Yea and there are also cars that never sold

For example the Mercedes 300slr before it did sell

[final robin]

True

[kind osprey]

It was estimated at $300,000,000

Because it literally never sold Because there was only 1 in the world to sell

When it did it was the first 9 figure car to ever sell

[final robin]

I'm sure there's a hispano suiza in a barn somewhere worth more than my state's gdp

[kind osprey]

There are a handful of cars that can sell for $100,000,000 or more

[final robin]

Aah like modern art classic cars are overpriced now by rich assholes

[kind osprey]

Well they are expensive because of simple supply and demand. Back then when these cars were racing you would have to be a true enthusiast to even know these cars existed. Nowadays everyone has basic common knowledge that old car they only made 5 of fromna brand that doesn't exist anymore will cost a lot

You could buy a 250gto for $35000 in the late 1960's

Cars rarely went for even a million dollars up until recently

In the 80's it was unheard of

[final robin]

Yea all that are true but like art the reason why classic cars have skyrocketed in price is because tax

[kind osprey]

I don't think it is the same metric. It has similar benefits as art but the value is determined by the enthusiasts more than simple tax deductions. The price of a vehicle is a lot less subjective than a piece of abstract art

Art can be expensive just because of who made it

Cars have to be through something to become expensive

[final robin]

Oi some dude sold a banana taped to a wall for 125 mill

[kind osprey]

A Ford GT40 that raced and won Lemans will go for a lot more than a gt40 that was only used as a test car

Enthusiasts buy these for nostalgic purposes and heritage

A 6 year old sees an Aston Martin le mans car in 1958, he wants one and later in life owns a successful company and buys one that raced. As time goes on more and more enthusiasts will flock towards that car because it is a true piece of history and as time ages that car like fine wine more and more people will want it, and other examples of the car will die out and rot in barns

This is all cars not just 60's race cars, look at the jdm bubble where r34 gtrs will go for $250,000

The value is not worth $250,000 but these people growing up with the car feel nostalgia and the heritage behind it

Same process, different generation

[final robin]

Yea true

[old sedge]

Since many people who believe that Miles should've won the Le Mans '66, the Ford GT40 that he drove in that race is most likely very expensive.

[kind osprey]

It's expensive solely because he drove it

And the movie definitely helped the recognition of Miles that he deserved

He really got cucked out of the winner title

[old sedge]

According to Shelby, the technicality which the car drove the farther distance wins in case of a tie didn't exist in Le Mans rule when Miles raced, they just added it later

[heady swift]

well there's 2 I think

of the uhlenhaut coupe

there's one in circulation (the one bought) and one in AMGs storage

obviously, they'll never sell their most iconic car

aside from moss' slr

and perhaps the c9 and 11

[final robin]

Anyways

I like the mustang

[old sedge]

I really need a Mustang

[final robin]

Sure the interior went the screen route, exterior doesn't look all that 2024 but hey
V8 manual

[next helm]

had a Mustang once. it was alright during dry weather. wasn’t great in the rain. wouldn’t buy another, for a daily driver.

[jagged sentinel]

Y'all ever heard a straight piped coyote V8?

Those things are a special kind of loud

[final robin]

[opal forum]

GT 400...?

[vestal garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/miata-jdm-gif-22101463

[safe scroll]

ISTG cars turbo stock from factory get way to much hype, and people are willing to 10k Extra for a turboed version

[proper elbow]

Would cost you 10k to turbo a modern car the right way anyway

[jagged sentinel]

Most of our performance cars are designed for natural aspiration anyway

Well, sports cars

[kind osprey]

Which dark souls boss is this

[kind osprey]

Turbo’s cost a lot

It’s usually not $10,000 more on a normal vehicle

But I guess for more higher end cars it can go that much or well over

[jagged sentinel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_LDaXO4HEos?feature=share

[proper elbow]

https://parts.toyota.com/p/Toyota__/Video-Monitor-LTGRAY/63303662/8668045100B0.html

[jagged sentinel]

Welp

https://youtu.be/rvj7Qxhs05s

Here it is

[sage roost]

To be completely honest

Doesn’t look very 2024

[jagged sentinel]

Like Doug says

[sage roost]

O

Didn’t watch the vid yet

[jagged sentinel]

It's design is more evolutionary then revolutionary

[sage roost]

Looks like it’s still based on the this generation of the mustang that got announced in… 2014?

[jagged sentinel]

The interior is by far the biggest improvement from the s550

[sage roost]

Yep

[jagged sentinel]

I'm not sure about everyone else here but I like the design

[sage roost]

I hate to say it, but stick shift doesn’t look very 2024 either

Issa joke

I like it too

[jagged sentinel]

Come 2025 this'll be the only pony car I'd be able to get, so

New, anyway

[sage roost]

If it was up to me I’d still get a camaro tbh

new

[jagged sentinel]

Same

[sage roost]

or if I want a sedan

[jagged sentinel]

Not sure about the handling of the mustang

[sage roost]

A charger

[jagged sentinel]

But the 6th gen Camaro's handling is spectacular

Allegedly

I can't wait to hear the mustang without any mufflers or cats

It sounds like the coyote, based on what it sounded like when Doug revved it

[jagged sentinel]

What is this

https://youtu.be/JdWqtcAndUI

[final robin]

I dont mind the exterior tbh

The taillights are a bit too orange but thats okay

The interior screen situation could've been better the 2 mercedes screens already look dated

But hey its still manual v8 so cant complain

[proper elbow]

Toyota Sienna DVD player screen

[covert dragon]

life in singapore

[kind osprey]

Sounds like shit

[covert dragon]

on off peak grab is quite cheap

but if you take grab during peak hours like at night people come home from club no public transport available the price will go up like crazy due to supply and demand

[safe scroll]

4k grand for a turbo racing kit, Kia stinger with turbo is like 9 and a half grand extra

[kind osprey]

damn

[proper elbow]

sounds like an ebay turbo kit

you dont put a 4k turbo kit on a 50k car

plus there is usually much more to the performance trim than just a turbo or w/e is done to the engine

in the case of the stinger it's an entirely different/larger engine

may as well compare a base v6 mustang to a gt

[long wyvern]

[jagged sentinel]

💀
https://youtube.com/shorts/J4an_Y9iM5Q?feature=share

[sage roost]

So shocking

Wait

Did he try to twist the key anti-clockwise

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah💀

Pretty much everybody in the comment section picked up on it

[final robin]

Noice

[long wyvern]

Seen that video, there were no comments talking about something else, only that

[safe scroll]

Garrett turbo kit actually, and yes most times factory Turboed cars have higher psi capability, bigger bore. I also understand that the engines are bigger but in cases like a velostner N its the same factory engine with a bov, intercooler, turbo and some piping slapped on. Oh that and an intake and an exhaust manifold

Opinion on the new gay, oops i mean electric dodge demon or whtvr the fuck?

[final robin]

G word isn't censored nice

[jagged sentinel]

The second one I've seen in the wild
Shut up about the finger, I don't want to hear it

And I'm talking about the Hummer, not the finger, smartass who was thinking about typing that

[kind osprey]

Imagine paying $250,000 for that...

I'm talking about the finger not the Hummer

[jagged sentinel]

Fuck off

[kind osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/costume-running-bomb-personabey-personabeys-gif-25501431

[final robin]

Did it run out of juice

[proper elbow]

.5 mile per kWh

[safe scroll]

Love to see it....

[jagged sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[kind osprey]

what is this thing it looks really cool

[winter raven]

I ride this boy

[urban pond]

apparently its an Ascari Ecosse

[hybrid elbow]

damn what a close up view

[jagged sentinel]

[hybrid elbow]

is that an index finger

[kind osprey]

Thanks

damn this thing looks beautiful

[coral valve]

brabham fan car re-imagined with 2022 F1 regs

[sage roost]

#motorsports

[jagged sentinel]

Wth is going on with that turbine

[kind osprey]

Lol

[coral valve]

get real will

[vestal garnet]

[vestal garnet]

#other-games

[main cosmos]

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/mitsubishi-has-sunk-to-making-a-rebadged-renault-crossover/

So sad

[tepid fog]

hi i have a question.. can a 97 cars run without ecu? .. i was having problems with tsp sensor “ throttle sensor position “ where it revs high by its own and giving me worse gas mileage ever.. so since i removed “ecu fuse” the car runs just fine

so im wondering if it will have any side affects running a car with no ecu

[urban pond]

no you cant

taking out a Car's ECU is one of the dumbest things you can do

[jagged sentinel]

It's the closest thing to removing the brain

Unless your car has a carburetor you'll most likely need an ECU

Which it doesn't because it's from '97

[proper elbow]

You aren't supposed to leave the fuse out. Disconnecting the battery (and/or fuse) is a way to "reset" the ECU

Resetting ECU = resetting TPS (and any other sensor that's going haywire)

[jagged sentinel]

Assuming the sensor itself isn't physically damaged

[tepid fog]

yea .. i shouldn’t have left the fuse out.. the car couldn’t even start and had to remove the battery for couple of mins and now its back to normal

[proper elbow]

Just replace the sensor. It takes a few minutes to do

And they are cheap

If you're still having issues I mean

[tepid fog]

yea i’ll consider getting new sensor by tomorrow

ty 🫶🏼

[proper elbow]

mmmm

[kind osprey]

a viper transmission for only $2000?

what's horribly wrong with it?

[proper elbow]

engine and transmission* rods not included (probably)

[covert dragon]

Singapore COE prices

[kind osprey]

https://youtube.com/shorts/9Y73v_GYufk?feature=share

[mint plank]

istg the diagnostic computer i bought for servicing ECU wise was one of the best things i ever bought

makes dealing with error codes so easy

[night steeple]

got myself a new filter, about damn time lol

[covert dragon]

for?

[jagged sentinel]

I'd imagine his car

Given the context

[night steeple]

yeah nah its for my lungs

[woven steppe]

damn

[vivid inlet]

[misty kiln]

😐

[twilit apex]

Alexander Dennis

[jagged sentinel]

Any of you remember this?
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a30750318/ferrari-purosangue-name-lawsuit/

[kind osprey]

If anything this should be a sign for ferrari not to use the name pureblood on the opposite of a pure ferrari

A fucking bubble suv

With a ferrari badge :(

[proper elbow]

An SUV named Pure Blood

Enzo rolling in his grave rn

[delicate grotto]

@honest herald @jagged sentinel to hoard is to collect an excessive amount, two is not excessive

[jagged sentinel]

Didn't know you owned the first one

[delicate grotto]

A 73’ and a 71’ is a power couple

[honest herald]

U say that now. Soon you will become the crazy cat lady equivalent of owning beetles

[proper elbow]

Get van

[opal forum]

The English Dave's car

[gray geyser]

That's a steal

I'd take it tbh

[night steeple]

took my car for a short drive without the air filter, never sounded sooo good before, put in the new filter now and all is quiet again

[unreal knot]

Level it up. Old McDonald typed on his phone E I E I Oooohhhhh yeah

Transportation

[kind osprey]

https://youtu.be/gS2XwsIFVs0

This thing is fucking awesome

[night steeple]

if there are MAN trucks, are there WOMAN trucks?

[unreal knot]

What’s your favourite beep beep mobile?

[kind osprey]

Porsche :0

[kindred sand]

The date is sus

[vestal garnet]

Nice cycle

[opal forum]

What a nice looking bike!

[mint plank]

lel thanks

[heady swift]

I currently study in Amsterdam and my uni is located at the business centre

for the past few weeks I have not seen a single car drive by that's worth less than 70K eur

[wheat basin]

Swap the airbox with a performance filter for sound plus clean air lol

[wheat basin]

That would mean only new cars o.O

[kindred sand]

https://tenor.com/view/mercedes-benz-mercedes-amg-meme-funny-gif-24923771

Murcudis @hybrid charm

Keepin it real

[heady swift]

exactly, it's standard practice for rich people to buy new cars every 3 years

[wheat basin]

Out of curiosity, how many of those are SUV?

[heady swift]

I'd say around 30-40%

SUVs aren't as popular here as in other european countries because of our infrastructure and vehicle taxes

an SUV is more expensive than its sedan or station equivalent

[wheat basin]

Infrastructure as in parking space?

[heady swift]

yeah quite, there are a lot of trees covering parking spaces

plus they still use a lot of medieval/renaissance buildings

[wheat basin]

Well, there ain't enough space here as well, doesn't keep people from driving them and parking wherever sadly

[heady swift]

yeah SUVs are the bane of my existence

I can respect pajero's or whatever toyota's that drive around

[wheat basin]

Even as someone that likes cars, there's generally too many of them in cities

So many of them being bloated shitboxes doesn't help lol

[heady swift]

not the 220K G wagons or range rovers that perish when even the slightest of mud is on the road

[wheat basin]

The G Wagon used to be a respectable off-road vehicle

[heady swift]

tbf being in one is nice, since you literally sit above everyone else

[wheat basin]

Now it's only AMG G Wagons

[heady swift]

yeah back in the day, nowadays they just run red lights

[wheat basin]

I would use my bike more if the threat of severe injury or death wasn't that omnipresent 🤣

[old sedge]

Aren't SUVs status symbols?

[wheat basin]

Cars generally can serve as that

[heady swift]

move here instead

[heady swift]

quite

driving in a big ass car can feel powerful

so to a certain degree it's also the self-perceived safety of the driver

[old sedge]

CUVs are just wagons on steroids

Like Rav4

[heady swift]

eh

station wagons are typically longer than most cross-overs and use saloon platforms

[old sedge]

Oh, right

But I think I would call them hatchbacks on steroids

[heady swift]

CUVs are often based on hatchback platforms

which is why they're so fucking useless

[old sedge]

Like for example, Rav4, CR-V

Honda Ph even dressed the CR-V so hard and they keep marketing it as competitor to Fortuner, Pajero/Montero Sport and Endeavor

Those SUVs are truck based SUVs while the CR-V is a sedan based SUV, they're like making apples and oranges compete against each other

[heady swift]

eh nowadays it's a bit different

but SUVs often have dedicated platforms

cross-overs often use those from hatchbacks

and unless those platforms are from rally-bred machines, like impreza's, they're generally unfit for larger cars and off-roading all-together

most SUVs nowadays are unfit for their original purpose as well

say from some toyota's

[old sedge]

Their original purpose is off-roading, right?

[proper elbow]

Most SUVs nowadays aren't even SUVs

This is the age of the crossover

[heady swift]

yeah

[old sedge]

As long as a vehicle has AWD or 4WD, it can off-road

[proper elbow]

yes and no

depends how you classify "off road"

[old sedge]

Hmmmm

[heady swift]

A/4WD is a prerequisite, but not the sole criterium

you need a reliable and strong chassis as well

[old sedge]

So a 4x4 Rav4 and CR-V can't do this kind of off-roading?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgloJmn3uqE

[heady swift]

and a body that can easily mitigate dirt and debris

plus a drivetrain that can handle dynamic power allocation and resistance

[old sedge]

I see

[heady swift]

unless you upgrade them, no

they can handle puddles of water, though

[old sedge]

What I want about full-time 4x4 or AWD is it's safer when driving through rain or flood since all wheels are powered

[sage roost]

omw to offroad a 911 turbo S because its AWD

[wheat basin]

A lot of supercars are AWD these days

[wheat basin]

Why spent your time here if you have a 911 Turbo S 😆

[sage roost]

good argument

[old sedge]

Because he can

As much as this will reduce reliance on oil, I don't think this will be enough to save the planet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles

[wheat basin]

If the plan is to not rethink individual mobility and replace all of them with BEV no imho

[old sedge]

https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/industry-news/toyota-executive-gasoline-diesel-engine-phaseout-a4354-20210317

Besides, solar panels and wind turbines are expensive and their baseload capacity is not that great so if they're gonna use gas or oil power plants to charge EVs, then the zero emission will be defeated

I can imagine this happening if all countries in the world suddenly go electric by 2030

[kind osprey]

4wd*

Most All wheel drive cars are road only regular sedans that can't crawl up pebbles

Good for snow and wasting gas mileage

[sage roost]

wdym epik

The 918 has AWD, it must off-road right?

LMPs are AWD, those should off-road too

[proper elbow]

You can even go offroading with a RWD vehicle

[kind osprey]

Lmp's are my favorite high intensity rock crawlers, if it's got a trasnfer case it deserves the mud and three foot rock amiright

[jagged sentinel]

:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Audi-R8-rumored-to-be-replaced-by-a-Porsche-based-electric-supercar-in-2025.655823.0.html

[kind osprey]

A v10 to a vacuum

[main cosmos]

https://www.motor1.com/news/611812/hyundai-n-supercar-project-canceled/

:(((((((((((

[urban pond]

"projected asking price of $150,000"

if im dropping anything past fucking 60k let alone 150k its not going to be a hyundai

[kind osprey]

looks like it's trying too hard to be from the 80's

an era when cars didn't look good and not far enough in to actually be aerodynamic

[old sedge]

Is it just me or this car's design is similar with DeLorean?

[main cosmos]

why cant they just make it an electric and drop the hydrogen bs... i want a car that look like that so badddd

[main cosmos]

it is based on an old design they made

[old sedge]

Maybe because they want to have a "cleaner" car without going full electric. I could be wrong

[main cosmos]

yes but axing it completely is not going to get them anything

and a cool design will die

[old sedge]

I'm still interested with Lambo's proposal of synthetic fuel being a possible alternative to going electric

[main cosmos]

how about we work on actually fixing this planet by ways that can actually fix shit up?

[old sedge]

I really don't know how can we but I'm certain that if renewables can't save the planet, then EVs can't.

[jagged sentinel]

We all know that Synthetic fuels will still be worse for the stupid trees then EVs will in the long run

Synthetic fuels is just a cope, really

Just so we can keep the internal combustion engine alive for a little bit longer before our Governments get uppity again

[heady swift]

A holistic approach is needed, not just renewables or EVs

they're also not mutually exclusive

[old sedge]

I think Toyota US said that fully transitioning to EVs will require changes in infrastructures too

[kind osprey]

Just keep the hyper cars and low productions gas it won't change a single spec

The dailies get to be electrified

[jagged sentinel]

Italy was really based with their proposition

[kind osprey]

I don't wanna see an announcement for an electric Bugatti/Pagani until every single mailtruck in the US is an ev

Mail trucks in the US are using shitty gm engines from 1974 that get 9mpg on a good day

A Lamborghini Huracan gets 12

[jagged sentinel]

Good ol Iron Duke

[kind osprey]

So environmentalist can shove a stick up their ass if they wanna take my lamborghini away before they touch inefficient utility vehicles driving ten fold the amount of miles

I hate the logic of it

Ruin the fun cars before we tackle utility or dailys because we're so conscious of the environment... said the ostrich with its head in the fucking sand

Same thing with fucking vegans sometimes

They don't realize that emissions from animals is more complicated than "eat plant no more carbon"

Doesn't fucking work that way, your lack of vitamin b12 isn't saving the planet Becky

I tried those beyond meat burger they suck donkey doo doo unfortunately

I was excited to try one

[sage roost]

i lol'd at this ngl

im going to be using this from now on

[kind osprey]

Good luck brother

[gray linden]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woWUr6EJj7k

[jagged sentinel]

https://www.motor1.com/news/610846/lamborghini-huracan-successor-v8-hybrid/

I'm divided on this

[proper elbow]

What the fuck is this

[kind osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-no-please-no-gif-5026106

[opal forum]

"The company also plans to sandwich an electric motor between the engine and transmission – an increasingly vital necessity for high-powered cars looking to meet tightening emissions regulations and anti-pollution laws."

Yea man, those couple hundred or so Huracans driving around are definitely an air pollution threat

[vestal garnet]

https://youtu.be/L9_xKVwVkso

[jagged sentinel]

I've driven more in my 2 liter turbo maverick in a month then most supercars/hypercars will drive in their lifetimes

[elfin plank]

nice F-15

[kind osprey]

The 10,000 Huracans being driven 1000-2000 miles a year are such a drastic impact, they literally kidnap baby seals and eat their eyeballs

But the 3,000,000 Toyota sedans that drive an average of 12,000 a year?

nah those can stay exactly how they are

not enough impact

only 3,000,000 which is a lot less than 14,000

https://tenor.com/view/head-bang-dr-cox-ugh-angry-gif-16823810

[main cosmos]

No one actually give a shit about the environment

[jagged sentinel]

Thank you

Side note:
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/germany-rejects-eu-plan-ban-new-fossil-fuel-cars-2035-2022-06-21/

Based, Germany

Based as hell

"Speaking at an event hosted by Germany's BDI industry association, Lindner said there would continue to be niches for combustion engines so a ban was wrong and said the government would not agree to this European legislation.

Lindner said there would continue to be niches for combustion engines so a ban was wrong

THANK YOU

Someone else sees the same sense that we do

[elfin plank]

Then why you still here?

[remote steeple]

kind of a harsh reply there

[kind osprey]

We should ban gas and diesel utility and government vehicles.

pagani's aren't ruining the environment, mailtrucks are

https://tenor.com/view/head-in-the-sand-gif-12598832

People who think 500 produced supercars that drive less than 1000 miles a year contribute to massive pollution

[kind osprey]

She isn't saying she hates the environment, she is saying that on the broader scale of things the government does not give a shit. Ev's are damaging to the environment too in reality the best way to reduce is to re use

consumerism and shiny object syndrome makes people think they need new cars every 3 years

An example of this. My friend is a nut with wanting to be environmentally clean, he is too young to be expected to buy or lease a brand new car but he wants to to find an electric one. I told him save your money and buy a used Toyota or Honda if you car about the environment and your wallet

because it took massive emissions to produce that new electric vehicle he is buying and it costs $35,000... so he might as well buy a used already fairly efficient vehicle for $5000, then buy an electric car later in life when he can actually afford one.

Most people do not consider reducing and re-using but they are the first and most important steps of the triangle

Reduce Reuse Recycle

[winged geyser]

agreed

it's better if we electrify the vehicles that are used in the long run, rather than the ones being rarely used

[kind osprey]

A man reciting the truth

Let this be the prophecy that actually happens

I'm tired of seeing Lamborghini's become 6 cylinders with turbos

What sacrilege

[final robin]

Cut shipping by half that would save the planet
But no pass the guilt on consumers

[kind osprey]

China spewing the amount of pollution the entirety of f1 has made since 1940 within a literal month building their vacant aparment complexes everywhere

[final robin]

[final robin]

Some more depressing news from bmw

[opal forum]

It doesnt look like a bmw anymore

[winged geyser]

it looks like a concept suv with huge nostrils

[kind osprey]

It looks marginally better than the concept

But the front

https://tenor.com/view/mighty-magiswords-magiswords-cartoon-network-robopiggeh-robot-gif-14375979

[final robin]

Marginally better as in dry shit compared to wet shit
Still shit

[kind osprey]

The grille isn't even the issue for me it's not that big. I just hateeee horizontally split headlights

[final robin]

Four eye crap

[kind osprey]

Fr

[final robin]

If it had a dodge badge i would be lowkey cool with it

[kind osprey]

Like the one in your pfp has the opposite. It has a grille issue but the headlights are fine

[final robin]

Bmw trying its best to out-ugly the ix

[elfin plank]

I’m jp

[elfin plank]

Ik, ik

[static stirrup]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bAyeOqnPqZI?feature=share

Most unsatisfying end

[kind osprey]

Damn he really did that

[final robin]

I dont find it as ugly as the comment section but it could do with a more updated side profile

[main cosmos]

it is a workhorse, i dont think the people that buy these even care about truck looks

[final robin]

Aa true

Its just its the same side profile for 20 years now

[main cosmos]

https://mobile.twitter.com/fuckedupcars/status/1575109987453399042 everyone a gangster until this mf show up

fucked up looking cars (@fuckedupcars)

https://t.co/U7ZL4CBLW5

Likes

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[final robin]

💀

Car culture in India is really riced up civics and suzukis tho
I can confirm

[jagged sentinel]

Looks ok

[final robin]

Ye

[jagged sentinel]

I...

[jagged sentinel]

First comment☠️

[kind osprey]

lmao

[opal forum]

Reminds me of those american trucks

[kind osprey]

Anything over an f350 is completely purpose built it's not going to be updated or given creature comforts unless you get like a platinum model

[kind osprey]

https://www.drivingyourdream.com/store/p694/SuperliteSLC.html

[proper elbow]

SLC cars be like Just got a new ride

[kind osprey]

@final robin

[final robin]

thicc ass sed

[vestal garnet]

Swift with butterfly doors💀

[final robin]

💀

[vestal garnet]

Search for Race concepts

https://youtu.be/7sfNNoe7MCM

[final robin]

Not that bad
350 hp tho is probably a bit too much for a fwd

[vestal garnet]

They even have a 440 hp City

[kind osprey]

wanna guess how much this fwd thing has?

[kind osprey]

also this image lol

[final robin]

More than 50

[kind osprey]

[covert dragon]

cars are too expensive here

[old sedge]

Singapore has the most expensive cars in the world

But hey, at least salaries there are high

[covert dragon]

and capitalistic low taxes government (if you ignore cars and housing)

literally i got so shocked when i saw america has 37% tax

here its like 22

[old sedge]

I heard that one reason why many Singaporeans buy expensive cars like Jaguar or even Ferrari and Lambo is because the COE there is so expensive so they want to maximize the COE and it would be a waste to apply for COE just to buy a Hyundai or Foton

[covert dragon]

but we have cat A and B

cat A for these really bad cars

cat B for those 'normal' or ultra cars

[old sedge]

Oh

So if you're gonna buy a Toyota Land Cruiser, you need cat B?

Or a Mitsubishi Pajero?

[covert dragon]

they used to have a few categories to properly differentiate cars, but the coe for smaller engine cars was more expensive than coe for bigger engine cars because coe is supply and demand and more middle/poor people as compared to rich

[covert dragon]

whats bhp and engine cc

more than 130 bhp / more than 1.6L = Cat B

[old sedge]

I think the Land Cruiser has a 3.3 V6 twin-turbo engine

[covert dragon]

they used to not have the bhp requirement but german car manufactures started to have like 1.4L C class so they got mad and decided to put a horsepower limit so they will be Cat B

[old sedge]

I guess midsized pickup like Ford Ranger will be Cat B

It has 2.0L turbodiesel engine

[covert dragon]

also mercedes are so expensive here from authorised reseller cycle and carriage because they are greedy af

parallel importers are so much cheaper

[old sedge]

That's why it will be a waste to apply for Cat B just to get Ford Ranger, it wouldn't be worth the price unless you really need it

[old sedge]

Oh my, that's really expensive

[covert dragon]

i see a lot of c class and entry level cat b on the street

that thinking is for the really rich kind of people

because we have ARF too

if we dont have ARF then the price difference in % for camry and rolls royce phantom would be a little lesser than other countries

[old sedge]

Here in Ph, this is an example of a pricelist
https://toyota.com.ph/price-list

Yet the highest minimum wage here is only 13.12 SGD daily

[covert dragon]

this car is cat b

due to horsepower limit cat a cars are really shit

we have a cat A

everytime we go to malaysia and theres a slope

but for singapore its actually quite fine

[covert dragon]

how are the taxes

[old sedge]

Taxes are high because of protectionism. Gadgets and electronics here are more expensive than in Singapore, same with internet.

[covert dragon]

we got our corolla altis for like SGD 130K in 2015

[old sedge]

That's more expensive than a Toyota Land Cruiser 2015 here

[covert dragon]

leave ph now and come

more salary

[old sedge]

I can't because I have to finish my training here yet

Are the $20,000 and $320,000 income are annual or monthly income?

[covert dragon]

annual obviously

[old sedge]

Oh, here, the income or salaries are counted monthly

[covert dragon]

no capital gains tax too

[old sedge]

Except the highest minimum wage which is daily

[covert dragon]

only issues are ABSD (huge tax when you buy additional properties), COE and ARF especially if you buy nicer cars

[old sedge]

And btw, I'm afraid that the tax excise exemption on pickups here might be removed

[covert dragon]

rip#

once you get a decent degree escape and come to singapore

its just that the rent is pretty disturbing

like SGD 900/mo for a 10 sqm room in a HDB public housing unit

if you want the whole unit its minimum SGD 3,500/mo

[old sedge]

They say that they removed excise taxes on pickups because businesses buy pickups for livelihood but they found out that buyers buy pickups as passenger vehicles. The person who proposed it said "this scheme allows manufacturers to circumvent the provision of the law and tax exemption"

[covert dragon]

there is no worries if you don’t have a car tho, public transportation is excellent here, also taxi fares are very affordable here as compared to NYC

[covert dragon]

is ph socialist gov

[old sedge]

That's what we need. People here defend the high taxation on cars so that people will be forced to take public transportation. Public transportation in Ph are public junks

[covert dragon]

why? i mean for singapore its needed but for ph your land is big asf

[old sedge]

Because they think Philippines consists of the capital region ONLY

[covert dragon]

some people are complaining about the coe system but seriously its the only solution to country like singapore

and some broke people are like its disgusting because the price is market controlled and the poor cant drive cars

[old sedge]

So everyone's coming to the capital region

[covert dragon]

like if you are BROKE just take public transport especially if its so good

and logically if theres only 1 COE left, its more logical to give it to a rich businessman rather than some broke worker

[old sedge]

I can still afford to buy cars here but I don't want to for tax reasons

[covert dragon]

and besides you are moving soon anyways right

[old sedge]

Yup

[covert dragon]

doubt you want to stay in philippines

[old sedge]

That's the plan

[covert dragon]

where are you intending to move @old sedge

[final robin]

Monte carlo ss?

[teal tangle]

LS

Gonna make it like an SS though

Gonna have best of both worlds

[final robin]

[kind osprey]

Make it first then start talking about it lol

[final robin]

[old sedge]

Promises, promises

[swift galleon]

rednecks reading this trying to read on how to make electricity

[zinc bloom]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFNHa2VV/

[dull siren]

I see a Tesla on my island

[final robin]

[dull siren]

[covert dragon]

L tesla cars

low quality shit

[dull siren]

or what Toyotas being affordable luxury cars?

[rich patio]

toyota innova 👍

[dull siren]

[night steeple]

aye, we are on the same rock

[kind osprey]

Anything luxurious here made by Toyota is called a Lexus so everything labeled Toyota here is an economy car or a gr car like the supra and Corolla with the cool carbon roof

[dull siren]

idk man i see them 4 door sedans looking nice on the insides doe

and Lexuses are very rare here

[final robin]

Camrys used to be great

Large, comfortable sedans

There's a reason why they're so popular as taxis

[errant hazel]

ah yes. the multi purpose truck.

just wait until you sink!

[final robin]

[covert dragon]

camry is executive sedan

[winged geyser]

gonna get electrocuted

[errant hazel]

exactly!

[final robin]

Exposed steel body definitely wont rust in salt water

In all fairness I think musk is saying this crap knowing full well reasonable smart people wont believe him

Not a lot of tesla news came this week, he had to do something to keep trending ig

[heady swift]

I mean a good coating can prevent that

as long as the car is washed afterwards, it should be fine

but if I would buy a reliable off-roader, I wouldn't think twice to buy a toyota

not a 140K electric hexagon

[final robin]

No a lot of interesting news happening

All bmw has to do is put a stick shift in the m340i to win back my heart

[errant hazel]

400+ layers of coating

that wont happen

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah, I'd buy from a company that already knows how to make a competent off-road vehicle

Though I'd lean towards the bigger side of vehicles

[proper elbow]

Doesn't the cybertruck like... dwarf an F150 in size

Big n heavy is the opposite of what you want for offroading

[jagged sentinel]

I mean, big tires help

[static stirrup]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChnBAd0jQoE/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[jagged sentinel]

okk

[stiff flame]

Yeah but again, I imagine they aren't as popular as say the f150

[jagged sentinel]

They aren't

F150 has dominated the fullsize market for decades

[stiff flame]

I mean they are more fuel efficient with the smaller 5 cylinder (iirc)

[jagged sentinel]

We probably don't get those here, remember

[stiff flame]

Ah right

You probably get a gasoline V6 or something

[jagged sentinel]

Americans have a stigma around diesel engines

[jagged sentinel]

Gas 6 bangers and 4 bangers

[stiff flame]

Ah right

No turbos though? Or?

[jagged sentinel]

Some of them

[stiff flame]

Probably different trim lines

If it's not diesel

But yeah...what was I saying?

Oh yeah, OK so it's not as popular as all three companies combined but it's still up there

[jagged sentinel]

As far as countries other then us and Canada the ranger is probably one of the most popular trucks

[stiff flame]

If the ranger is actually classed as an f-series then it likely contributes towards the f-series being so popular worldwide

[jagged sentinel]

Since Canada just uses the same cars we do

Hell Canada makes half our cars

[jagged sentinel]

I don't believe it is

[stiff flame]

Hilux, ranger and...there was another one

[jagged sentinel]

That VW truck

[stiff flame]

Sad what happened to Detroit

[jagged sentinel]

Don't remember what it's called

[stiff flame]

Ah yes the Amarok

Things are fucking ginormous

[jagged sentinel]

And the Merc X-class but that bit the dust a few years ago

[jagged sentinel]

I mean

[stiff flame]

Yeah I see a few every now and then

[stiff flame]

For euro and non-us standards

[jagged sentinel]

Right

This is a big truck in the US

[stiff flame]

It is quite big in comparison to the ranger and hilux

[stiff flame]

Amarok might be taller but I'm not too sure

I will admit one thing

Duallys on rams look astonishing

Just look like it belongs

[jagged sentinel]

The big 3 design dually wide-bodies differently

[stiff flame]

74.3 in in height

1883mm I think

[jagged sentinel]

The ram 3500 is between 6.1 and 6.6 feet apparently

Shut up, I'm getting metric in a second

[stiff flame]

Lol

[jagged sentinel]

1.85 and 2.03 meters

[stiff flame]

Already knew

[jagged sentinel]

No clue how tall the amarok ks

[stiff flame]

OK so about as tall as the vw

[stiff flame]

@jagged sentinel

[jagged sentinel]

Up to 6.6 meters long

21 feet long💀

[stiff flame]

Well yeah I would think looking at the double cab and bed space

[jagged sentinel]

8 foot bed is the long bed option

[stiff flame]

I don't know if you use the term "double cab"

[stiff flame]

Dayum

[jagged sentinel]

We have multiple versions of 2-row arrangements

[stiff flame]

That's quite a big booty

[stiff flame]

We just say "single cab", "double cab" or "king cab"

[jagged sentinel]

We say single cab, extended cab, crew cab or super cab

I don't know if we still use extended cab as a term

[stiff flame]

Amarok has a 2.0L turbo diesel standard

Optional diesel V6

I believe that ram has a 3.2L V6?

Might be wrong

[jagged sentinel]

US Spec ranger probably has that but gas versions

[jagged sentinel]

3.6 V6

[stiff flame]

Close

[jagged sentinel]

One of the best engines Chrysler ever made

One of the few boring car engines that I like

[stiff flame]

Oh yeah, forgot Chrysler existed

[stiff flame]

A 3.2L V6 can still sound roaring though

[jagged sentinel]

Chrysler was the company who owned dodge and Plymouth and ram

The 3.6 V6 sounds mid

The engine is called the pentastar

So I'm just going to say that

But Iike the pentastar because of how damn reliable it is

[stiff flame]

Yeah I've only heard slightly smaller V6's but I get what you mean

[jagged sentinel]

200,000 miles in our 2013 ram 1500, never broke down once

[stiff flame]

Metric points please?

[jagged sentinel]

Ok

[stiff flame]

Should be about 250k-300k

Which is not bad

[jagged sentinel]

321,868.8

Had we got the hemi we probably would have seen at least one breakdown

[stiff flame]

But my mother's Fiat(yes, that unreliable fiat) Palio has been running since '05 and is going on about 300, 000km as well

[jagged sentinel]

(that's the V8 option in the 1500)

[stiff flame]

It's been costing a lot off late but it is an old car

[stiff flame]

I thought they were also reliable?

[jagged sentinel]

Eh

[stiff flame]

Depends

Suppose it depends on who you talk to

[jagged sentinel]

Ok so the displacement of the 1500's hemi is 5.7 liters

Yes, Americans use liters now too

[stiff flame]

I was gonna make that joke earlier

[jagged sentinel]

And dodge also put the 5.7 in the challenger, charger and Chrysler 300

And from what I've heard the ram 5.7 is a bit better than in all their other cars

[stiff flame]

I suppose you can't really say it's a "0.98573 Gallon engine"

[jagged sentinel]

We used Cubic inches

[stiff flame]

OK cowboy, calm your imperial measurement fantasies

But yeah I think it was a standard of measurement in Australia back in the day too

[jagged sentinel]

Some of us still use cubic inches, so

[stiff flame]

It doesn't matter rn

Just use both metric and imperial

But how expensive is that ram you mentioned?

[jagged sentinel]

We really only use it in bigblock crate engines at this point

[jagged sentinel]

Which one

Our 13?

[stiff flame]

The one in the picture you mentioned and your 2013 one

Amarok is around 44,590USD

[jagged sentinel]

That 3500 is probably close to or over 100 grand and our 2013 one is probably worth 18-20K now

[stiff flame]

100,000USD?!

[jagged sentinel]

Ye

[stiff flame]

Jesus christ on a unicycle

[jagged sentinel]

Remember

Rams are Chrysler's luxury truck and work truck

So there are luxury trims in addition to more barebones workhorse trims

Plus microchip shortages

[stiff flame]

$100k is nearly 1.8 million in our currency

Could buy a slightly shitter house for that

[jagged sentinel]

I mean that Cummins makes over 1000 pound feet of torque

[stiff flame]

I guess that is a factor

[jagged sentinel]

You're going to have to convert that

I don't know what torque measurement you lot use

[jagged sentinel]

1075 lb-ft

[stiff flame]

Tbh kw and Newton is quite confusing for me

I just use bhp and ft-lb as well

But yeah I understand how much that is

It would need to have a lot of torque because as you said it's a "work truck"

Not exactly a mid size pickup

Aye, I gotta run but this was a very interesting conversation

[jagged sentinel]

37,000 lb towing capacity

16782.918 kilograms

[stiff flame]

Despite my dislike for bigger pickups, it still was educating...for the 3500 ram but you get my point

[stiff flame]

So your mo...I'm joking

Pls no ban

[jagged sentinel]

[jagged sentinel]

[stiff flame]

Tc Will

[jagged sentinel]

You too

[jagged sentinel]

It's weird, despite the obvious extra equipment needed for towing heavy loads, you can also buy a luxury trim for that same vehicle, hell Ford and Chevy/GM do the same thing

Except GM has their luxury trucks in a different brand to their general/work trucks

[shadow valve]

GMC?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

[shadow valve]

Gmc always seemed more premium

[jagged sentinel]

GM has like 3 brands that could be considered luxury

[shadow valve]

Caddy is the only real true luxury brand

The rest are just more premium

[jagged sentinel]

Buick is way more luxury in China then the US

In fact, China is likely the only reason Buick is still around

[shadow valve]

Sadly

[jagged sentinel]

Their place in the GM roster in the US is debatable

[shadow valve]

Only old people like them

[jagged sentinel]

You could say the same for GMC

[shadow valve]

True but I’d say gmc are for like people in their 40s-60s

People who just retired and such

Like corvettes and 911s

[jagged sentinel]

I honestly think GM has the weakest roster of trucks

[jagged sentinel]

The C8 Corvette actually has a much younger consumer base then previous generations

[shadow valve]

it looks like a supercar but it doesn’t have the price as of one

[jagged sentinel]

I think for the same reason that pisses off all of the hard-wired boomers

The placement of the engine

Obviously

[shadow valve]

Yes

[jagged sentinel]

It's where the father of the Corvette wanted it since the very beginning

[shadow valve]

I’m surprised how long it took for a mid engined corvette

A mid engined chevy in general

Other than the Pontiac and that one older chevy

[jagged sentinel]

Chevy execs goofy

That's why

[jagged sentinel]

fiero

And I think you're talking about the corvair

[shadow valve]

Yes

[jagged sentinel]

Unsafe at any speed

[digital lily]

wtf is this

[cinder galleon]

M2

A lot of people think it's not bad

But I think it's ugly af

Byw

Btw

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSRXvBRL4/

A funny video on tiktok

[stiff flame]

@jagged sentinel I forgot to mention but did you know that the Mercedes X-class is essentially a Nissan Navara? It is based on the same chassis with the same engine and engineering as the Navara

[jagged sentinel]

Yeah I knew it was a rebadged Nissan of some sort

[stiff flame]

Funny isn't it?

The gt86 and supra are also running some German blood

[jagged sentinel]

What's German about the 86

[stiff flame]

My bad, I mixed up the 86 with a different car

But yeah the supra has German blood

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

[stiff flame]

It's strange seeing an Asian car maker need help from non-asian companies because usually they get help from other manufacturers like Datsun, Mazda etc

[jagged sentinel]

You know what I never expected to see?

Ford and Chevy working together

[stiff flame]

But they have in the past have they not?

I'm talking like 50s-70s

[jagged sentinel]

Not that I know of

[stiff flame]

Definitely would be difficult to tell with car manufacturing being at its peak in the 50s

[jagged sentinel]

The 10 speed in both Ford and GM cars was the result of a collaboration between the two

[stiff flame]

Imagine having more than 6 gears

What are you? Rich?

[jagged sentinel]

Your beloved ranger has that 10 speed

[stiff flame]

I wouldn't know, I don't drive one

I do believe it's the auto though?

[jagged sentinel]

The 10 speed?

[stiff flame]

Well...I realize how dumb that sounds

[jagged sentinel]

Dead god, a 10 speed manual

[stiff flame]

Yeah that would be painful

[jagged sentinel]

Actually semi trucks have that so💀

Some of them have more then that in manual transmissions actually iirc

[stiff flame]

I mean you are trained how to use that gearbox

You learn to drive with 6 gears manually, trying to drive 10 in a regular car would kill you

6,7,8 depends what you learn in

[jagged sentinel]

My maverick has an 8 speed

Automatic, obviously

Anything more then 6 speeds in a manual seems a bit much to me

[stiff flame]

I don't really think you get stick shifts with more than 8, or at least not common

[jagged sentinel]

I don't know of any stick manuals with more then 6 gears

At least not in regular cars

[stiff flame]

7-10 it's likely automatic or semi-auto with paddle shifters

[jagged sentinel]

Unless it's a CVT

Where the answer to how many gears in it is "go fuck yourself"

[stiff flame]

CVT sucks unless you know how to drive properly with it

[jagged sentinel]

It changes based on how you drive it

They're more meant for normal driving

[stiff flame]

Sorry but are you driving abnormally?

I am very concerned

[jagged sentinel]

You know what I meant

Smartass

[stiff flame]

Yeah I understand

[jagged sentinel]

It ain't worth driving that way in my car anyway

[stiff flame]

No stress like racing, drifting, trying to show off etc

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

You also don't really have much control over it

[stiff flame]

Only problem with cars that aren't manual is that you have to flatbed them every time they break down otherwise it damages the gearbox (like if its AWD or 4x4 and auto)

[jagged sentinel]

You have to what

[final robin]

The front and sides are nice actually its just tge real that looks like someone took a bite

[stiff flame]

Tow them home on the back of a truck not regular tow truck

[jagged sentinel]

Neutral

[stiff flame]

I don't know how automatic gearboxs work but remember that it's electronics that enable those gears

[jagged sentinel]

I mean also that's not that big of an issue

It's only an issue if you break down

[stiff flame]

I know it damages something relating to the gearbox or drivetrain

[jagged sentinel]

But then you break down, so there are bigger problems

[stiff flame]

Yeah because fuck breaking down. Just avoid it

[jagged sentinel]

😱

[final robin]

Well in modern torque converters its mechatronics doing the job
In earlier 3 or 4 speed units it was mechanical

[jagged sentinel]

Never seen a car without a neutral gear

[stiff flame]

Idk, like I said, I don't really know how they work entirely but it does cause damage

[final robin]

Yea well torque converters dont have a clutch per se

[stiff flame]

As far as I've heard from qualified people and seen

[final robin]

That's what they mean

[stiff flame]

Automatics are just magic to me

[jagged sentinel]

Hydraulics are wild aren't they

[final robin]

Automatics have this thing instead of a clutch
So if u idle or tow a lot the liquid in it just gets warmed up

[stiff flame]

Very confusing

[proper elbow]

Most autos just get towed by the drive wheels fwiw

[stiff flame]

Kinda why I'm not doing automotive engineering unlike bimmer here

[jagged sentinel]

Comparatively simple

[stiff flame]

I am still quite confused

[jagged sentinel]

Makes sense

[stiff flame]

I understand something about warm liquids as the engine Isles ot6h getd toq

[final robin]

The actual automatic gearbox with the planetary geartrain is what confuses me
I remember writing some poetic shit in my exam

[jagged sentinel]

Now everything is just computer controlled

[stiff flame]

I am having a stroke typing

Honestly, this is all still magic to me because quite frankly I can't grasp the information being hurled my way

[jagged sentinel]

Including cam timing if you ask Christian Von Koenigsegg

[final robin]

Yea something like that i wrote
"The mechatronics unit uses multiple sensors like throttle position, engine speed wheel speed etc to ....."

[proper elbow]

Look up the YT channel "Engineering Explained". Probably has a video on both auto and manual transmissions.

[final robin]

Oh yea passed exams because of that channel

[jagged sentinel]

Y'all think I'm joking but it's a real thing

[final robin]

I saw that

No valve trains

[jagged sentinel]

Shit's wild

[final robin]

Some electronically controlled system

[stiff flame]

I just looked it up

Honestly could not be bothered to watch a video

[final robin]

Once you do vehicle inspection and maintenance courses you'll appreciate the simplicity of ev

[stiff flame]

I hate EVs

[jagged sentinel]

There isn't nearly as much maintenance to be done on EVs

[final robin]

Mechanically they're superior
Its just battery that has to improve

[jagged sentinel]

The trade-off is that what maintenance you do end up doing can fucking kill you

[stiff flame]

Automatic cars do not have to be towed on a flat bed

[proper elbow]

Did y'all see the guy who DIY'd a camless Miata? Pneumatic controls. Kinda cool.