Ancient Menders

[magic apex]

Source: @hasty fog

Location: Found at 35,38 in the Azure Span inside the hollow of a broken tree.
Zelth <Ancient Mender> - green - ID:190219
Rakloo <Ancient Mender> - purple - ID:197623
Kout <Ancient Mender> - orange - ID:197625

Observations and Theories:
-Their names when read left to right read: Zelthrak Lookout. There is no such place, it does not exist. But there is a Zelthrak Outpost not far to the east at 54,50 Azure Span.
-The absence of the named location and weird formatting of their names is mega sus. I considered it to be an anagram. Reading it may be a misdirection. I’ve found only one perfect solution that makes use of all the letters as an anagram of Zelthrak Lookout.

LOOK AT THE ROKZUL

Additional note: Their titles, Ancient Mender, are used nowhere else in the game. They are completely unique to these three. Also their IDs are weird. Two of them are back to back, but the first one is very far split off.

Questions:
Possible an anagram is not the clue at all and their names have another meaning to interpret or are encoded in a different way.
Keep in mind the Zelthrak Outpost location too.
It is an anagram, but my solution is wrong. I haven’t yet figured out anything else that can be spelled with it and still make sense, but someone else might.

More info found in the doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQP3o2EElZ1FX_emKhbre2gpxcTCXhcL9Q7OmbAWBLR1CKSwswoCVwrSDoupecyWALSt4H5yVn3KSbz/pub

[amber dune]

their names are identical in every language (well at least every language that uses the latin alphabet)

i seriously doubt this isnt a secret of some kind (theres no way their names spelling out something is a coincidence) but it looks like it wasnt properly localized

my guess is that its not an anagram and its pointing to a location that overlooks zelthrak but i cant get on wow right now to look around 😭

[broken storm]

THERES A TALL TOWER

CAPS**

theres a tall tower just above zalthrak outpost

with a random teaset there that resembles the dragon tea set

which coincidentally is the only toy it lets you place on the table

[finite latch]

Theres also an ancient stone not too far away from the outpost in a cave

[grave bluff]

If we're talking about the same place, I was able to put other stuff on the table. Like, a whale bone tea pot

At ~55,50 is the tower I'm in

Though I did notice the dragon tea set is about the same size as this and,at least for me, was oriented the right way. So if placing stuff is part of it, I wonder if the other "outline" has something that fits neatly inside of it

Another idea- it reminds me of the ruby feasts. At least for me it seemed like the feasts were on a weekly cycle (7 possible outcomes, 1 a day, starting at a random point each reset and cycling through them all). Is that pot on the table one of the things that cycles in the feast, that could hint at the other two things?

[brave blaze]

Was going to say that

[grave bluff]

Not the one from today tho lol

[brave blaze]

Here's another

[hasty fog]

Love the enthusiasm at least 😉

And @magic apex Ty for the pin!

[magic apex]

No prob 😄

[finite latch]

Since it mentioned in the doc the possible link between the "ancient masters" and the "ancient stones" i tried using the tower as the axis for rotating the view lines around a map of the stones and got these 4 possibilities, no idea if the black one even matters given its the golem. Keep in mind the stars probably arent perfectly accurate on the map

[broken storm]

Your info got me hooked

[finite latch]

Next to zelthrak outpost, there is a fallen tree at an angle that allows you to walk all the way up it, and at the top of it you could say it "overlooks" zelthral outpost, and it also has 3 chipmunks on it. These chipmunks also arent battle pet tamable like others, nor does wowhead say anything about them being here, or anywhere in DF for that matter

[stiff cradle]

Well, if we're in the anagrams realm, the Jewel Clusters rewards spell out Manny, which is the Health Supervisor in The Azure Span
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=190679/manny-read

[stiff cradle]

also therre is the turtle ritual trinket that gives u a constant buff

[finite latch]

I mean, is that really an anagram if its just the first letters and the names are based on well known lore characters?

[stiff cradle]

there hasnt been any npc called manny since 10 years, this one is new and the items are for jewel crafting, amulet maybe?..

but yes, it could also be nothing

[broken storm]

how are the jewel clusters related to the ancients tho?

[weak kelp]

well the op post has it different then the words smashed. As a word smash we are looking at this

ZelthRaklooKout

but if it is an anagram then it has to be a blizzard specific word that is in all translations that use the latin alphabet

[halcyon condor]

maybe it's just a clue for where you can find one of the dragon glyphs? It's in a tree trunk overlooking zethrak outpost. And they are trees... Those ancients.

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=16071/dragon-glyphs-zelthrak-outpost#comments

[amber dune]

would be odd for a clue to be much, much harder to find than the thing its a clue to 😛

the dragon glyphs are visible from a long way away theres a chat message and a loud sound cue when you get close and the achievement tells you the subzone every glyph is in (including the zelthrak one)

[halcyon condor]

well could have been something that was an initial idea to help find glyphs but maybe got scraped. Doesn't that happen sometimes? It just seems too obvious to be something else imo.

[weak kelp]

you don't need the trees to give you a clue, You get a red message saying your dragon senses one.

[narrow merlin]

I feel like the colour might be important. At zelthrak, there's a set of 3 cups with green liquid (next to the water barrel, under the fallen tower), and another set of 3 with orange liquid (top of the tower), although I can't find a set with purple.

the mobs there also come in the same colours

that said, the area is used as part of the dragonscale expedition renown questline, so it's not exclusive to any secret

[weak kelp]

are the colors exact? or just similar?

[halcyon condor]

yeah but in beta, there wasn't that mesaage, hence why I'm wondering if it's just a leftover thing.

[narrow merlin]

Colours are definitely not exact, but it feels like more than a coincidence to have the green/purple/orange theme anyway

[hasty fog]

I don't think it could be. Even without the orange text or achievement glyphs are very easily seen just from flying around. An obscure clue in a remote area on the ground is pretty much pointless however you look at it

[halcyon condor]

was literally just saying it could have initially been meant as part of something and may not be anymore.

[stiff cradle]

So the glyph at Zulthrak post is at the mid top of a tree, a little bit higher, are these

I don't remember seeing random critters atop a very high tree, not many if at all tbh

I dont see them listed as npcs in the span

and I can't fight the pet, the area is obscured, I've tried reloading and everything D:

[finite latch]

i dont think theres any other trees in the entire zone angled like that for you to walk up on either

the 3 keepers to 3 chipmunks is also odd

esp since despite the fact they are the exact same ID, you cant catch these ones

Guessing they also arent common in the zone given even WoWhead doesnt say they are there yet

[stiff cradle]

I killed the alpine chipmunks before the reset ;x

[halcyon condor]

kinda sus there are normal critters in a place full of critters that are elemental/dragon like. Minus the ducks.

oh yeah. Even the ducks are meant to have dragon-like vibes according to the artist who made them. So just the chipmunks are normal and sus.

maybe the alpine chipmunks are the secret easter egg?

[stiff cradle]

check this amusing pet description on the "Squirrel" pet, they share the model
"Most people do not know the difference between a squirrel and a chipmunk. Most don't care."

[halcyon condor]

Squirrels are aggressive. Chipmunks are cute. Easy.

but for anyone outside America... Accurate. My Aussie partner thought they were the same

[proven ether]

/=

[stiff cradle]

some people live in extremely urban, small land countries and have never seen a squirrel nor chipmunk.
when they're so abundant in your country, they are also abundant in your culture. : > so yeah, makes sense

= I don't know the difference either 😂

[weak kelp]

both will chew on stuff and make nests in your attack, chipmunks are harder to see cause they small and cute

[halcyon condor]

I've never had a chipmunk aggressively chatter at me like a squirrel tho. Those dudes can be mean lol

[stiff cradle]

I've heard the stories tho D: so yeah, I'm glad they're chipmunks

maybe we should give them an apple so they can reach them ultimate form lol [Red-Tailed Chipmunk pet description]
although there is a pet called Chestnut we get by offering acorn to Acorn Harvester
https://www.wowhead.com/item=193066/chestnut

[dusky spire]

There is also another tray under neath the tower in the outpost.

Along with a barrel with 3 cups

[dusky spire]

Looking through the ground, there is also a unique vase inside the ground there...not sure if there is a way to click it -

Nothing showing with Anomaly detection

[golden token]

Brought the 3 Chipmunks back to the 3 ancients with the Pandaren Panflute, no result.

[golden token]

Damnit i already had a a waypoint for these squirrels from before because i ran into them and they were weird.

[finite latch]

wait you can lure critters?

[golden token]

Tried summoning my own Alpine Chipmunk battlepet at them, and now i need a crazycheck.

When i was watching them before, i don't think they were doing a '"chin scratch" animation, just the one where they wave their arms forward.

Do other peoples treants do the chin scratch?

Tried summoning all my chipmunks, Infected Squirrels, mechanical squirrels, for them.

[finite latch]

like just in general?

or constantly

[golden token]

I ran away for a while, came back, and now they all only do the arms-out roar. Ive been watching them roar for 10 minutes now.

[golden token]

its too late to keep going, but im wondering if its a draogriding challenge, Fly underneath tree-arches in locations without landing or something. Maybe including stuff between Zelthrak and Three-Falls

[devout mortar]

If you use the toy "Mylune's Call", all of them reacts to the toy (but u need to be closer, maybe we need 3 ppl to use the toy at the same time?)

Maybe Mylune in Mount Hyjal gives some hint?

[white spoke]

I tried to make them grow even larger

[devout mortar]

Grove of Aessina (Mount Hyjal) 20.19, 39.03 @ Mylune's spot

[brave blaze]

o.o

[devout mortar]

@magic apex

[neat haven]

I have real coral reef guys vibes from this

The ones in Azshara, I mean

[blissful hamlet]

@neat haven what coral reef guys on azshara?

[brave blaze]

oh I think I know which ones he means, umm id have to double check but I know there was some ancients up in that zone

unless he meant the underwater azshara because the azshara north of orgrimmar has rock giants not tree giants

[neat haven]

I think there were 3 of them and each activated in a diff way. You could then kill them and not only they counted as rares for the zone but also gave very good rep items weekly

https://www.wowhead.com/news/nazjatar-coral-ancient-tree-rares-level-your-followers-with-ancient-reefwalker-293144

here, better than me explaining 😹

[stiff cradle]

same xD

[ebon knoll]

from doing a quick look at the doc I feel like there's been far too much focus on the anagram

[weak kelp]

so, these trees are called Ancient's Menders, and we have a guaranteed drop from a WoD rare Yggdrel and it's an Ancient's Bloom. maybe there needs to be 4 trees. Has anyone used the toy at the location with the trees.

[finite latch]

i tried using the ancient mount everyone gets, and its almost the exact same model, but different color, with no result

hope its not like a seasonal thing where you have to be in spring for the mount to change color or something

[hasty fog]

I think we can reasonably assume a secret won't be hard time-gated. It'd just be incredibly unfair and frustrating to everyone

[weak kelp]

wonder if the weather changing stones will have an effect on the ancient mount

if they do I foresee a 'let it snow' tree fest in lava zones with the blizzard stone

[finite latch]

thats an interesting idea

i wonder if the engineer toys that change the climate and sky do anything to the mount

they do not

[weak kelp]

I would say that it would have to be weather stones that any class/race can use but then there's hivemind, so that 'rule' about being able to solo secrets is 'flew out the cuckoos nest'

[dusky spire]

The engineering toys also do not affect the other trees it seems

I also noticed, in Zelthrak Outpost, there are 3 enemies that are burnt and always dead.

If you pull an enemy beyond them, they will also speak as if they are attacking and do nothing

Same model, but smoking and stonelike

54, 50
54, 51
53,49

Noticed a fourth at 54,50

[weak kelp]

are you using these toys with the tree mount? that's what I was wondering if the toys would change.
There are 4 seasons and the Ancient Mender trees only represent 3 of the seasons, where's spring?
Zelth - green - summer
Rakloo - purple - winter
Kout - brown - fall
Yggdrel - flowers - spring _ ????
or
Use a spring weather stone on the tree mount - flowers - spring

the tree the toy turns you into, new growth
Toy from Yggdrel called Ancients Bloom

[magic apex]

[dusky spire]

I used both engineering toys, but it didnt seem to affect the NPC's or the mount

[weak kelp]

anyone have Ancient's Bloom and Mylune's Call to see if using them together can be a 'jump' start to 'spring' us forward with this?

[golden token]

A guildmate is suggesting using "skollers bag of squirrel treats"

[devout mortar]

This event could be related to Lunar Festival, idk.

There's a toy called "Elune's Lantern", this could trigger something.

"Requires a Solid Stone"

[finite latch]

I don't think blizzard would do something class bound like this but, paladins do have blessing of summer/spring/fall/winter baseline talentable as holy now

[golden token]

Theres a mage-only secret cave,and druid forms, there could be some paladin-only mess.

[runic oasis]

What do you mean by, “all of them react”? What are they doing different when you use the toy?

[runic oasis]

I was thinking of testing Resto Druid tree form and abilities.

And tree form was just updated for the expansion. Could be for a bigger reason.

[rancid gate]

I'm at the tree with the three chipmunks and two are able to be caught as battle pets. Not sure if that makes a difference but thought I'd add it :)

[rancid gate]

LOOK AT THE ROKZUL

Rokzul is an npc during a hunt in the Ohn'hran Plains. I ran out there and that hunt magically happened lol. i did /look before we attacked, during the fight, and after and nothing seemed to happen or change. I didn't see a buff or anything weird during the fight.

[manic violet]

What about the surveyor's looking glass you get from completing all the statue piece quests

[idle harness]

AZEROTH LOOK OUT

[white spoke]

She be needin yer aid, Champion!

[pine nimbus]

Have we tried emoting them to see if they react to anything, or maybe having some specific food

[stiff cradle]

I couldnt since the weekly reset kicked me out, ill go back soon : >

[stiff cradle]

at first I thought it was a dragonriding hidden achievement, so I did the bronze rewind at the tree & reached the glyph point and used it to return to the tree, nothing happened.

it still could be and I might've missed something

[white spoke]

I want to go there to test out if they truly are menders...

[weak kelp]

I think we need to find summer. I thought that the green one was summer, but when I got there to check them out I say flowers on his feet so he may be spring. The other 2 are definitely winter and autumn, so we should have 4 Ancient Menders

[white spoke]

They don't heal / ress - so that is crossed off the list.

[broken storm]

dying for the cause, i like it xD

[white spoke]

Warning: Stay away from the inside of the northern tower at 54.73, 49.59 at Zelthrak Outpost. Been stuck here and refusing to HS. Not enough space to keep mount to fly out..

[white spoke]

During the hunt close-by to the three ancient menders these spawned. I am sure I took more screenshots but these were the colours that I saw basically, then the elite have the same green colour as the lesser pack. The elite is named Tenmod. The rampaging forest giants have the same colour-scheme as the three ancient menders.

[weak kelp]

There are 4 Seasons, 1 is missing

[jagged sail]

One Mender for each Aspect? Don't know if it's been already adressed. We have Green, Blue, and Bronze Aspect. Missing Red Aspect, maybe there's a Mender in Waking Shores?

[weak kelp]

the seasons makes more sense, since you are leaving out the Black Aspect, which presumably will be restored (or already has and I haven't gotten that far into the quest lines)

[stiff cradle]

purple= obsidian= black flight

[broken storm]

i got stuck here too xD

i was thinking

if there is a 4th mender

[white spoke]

It was the worst. Managed to get out of there after placing a mushroom chair I could sit on to get enough room to mount out 😅

[broken storm]

then will hes name continue the sentence

[vagrant tide]

100% crackpot:
These three are the same colors as the monocles from Hivemind puzzles. Subtracting the letters from a matching monocle's description from each of the Menders' names, you end up with "elth Rloo t"

(Edit) 1000% crackpot: If you add in Tenmod and the letters from the red monocle, you get "elth Rloo t enmd", which anagram to "mellon trothed" "Menthol Retold", and "Throed Tollmen"

🧠

[hidden sail]

haah i totally did thattoo. I was like come on come on!

just an fyi, you can still obtain this quest item at zelthrak outpost by killing the obstructed Hornswog. It could just be a bug , but thought I'd lookinto it anyways

[weak kelp]

forgot we had this guy in our Garrisons, he sells fruit

[golden token]

Neat* Fact, Zelth Rakloo and Kout aggro and beat the shit out of Cragwalker Giants if you kite them up from the south.

like the Ancient Shepards in the area

[weak kelp]

wonder if the 3rd tree was healing the other 2

[golden token]

They heal thelsemves like the ancient shepards, cant get them killed easily 😄

[patent crest]

Any thoughts on the town right next to Zelthrak Lookout ? It's called Ancient "Outlook". With the trees being "Ancient" Members it seems connected.

If so, this might be connected to the "unfinished paintings" mystery that starts their and fits with the color theme of the trees.

[worthy tiger]

Mhhh... have someone tried the toy of the paintings?

the one called "Artist's Easel"?

[radiant spindle]

Tried it, but seems not to work. Even with the buff of the paintings applied before

[worthy tiger]

mmmh..

when i'm inside i hear like a "rumbling" sound

maybe there is something more

[radiant spindle]

The rumbling appears also if you just click on them, or do you here some other one?

[worthy tiger]

there's even a "lucky duck" on the bookshelf near that table

[worthy tiger]

nono, the rumbling sound is just when i enter the tower... and the sound outside is different

[radiant spindle]

ahh

[worthy tiger]

wait... did someone tried the "Wandering Ancient" Mount near them?

i tried but nothing happen

[golden token]

Their names point to a location. The next step would be "do something at that location,or learn something from there"

[worthy tiger]

wait.... to me reacted just one time... the "kout" one reacted to me once i used the mylune's call

[worthy tiger]

i'm gonna try it

[worthy tiger]

nothing happened

[blissful hamlet]

anyone try and summon Piolet the pet at the trees. we get him from Gracus quest line and he looks like he could be the missing summer tree

[weak kelp]

I have Pilot

[stiff cradle]

You can burn them 😄

Growly, Onion and Blitz from the Obsidian Egg Clutch toy, Sabellian rep.
pretty sure it works on any NPC, but they're trees so +1

[abstract adder]

There is an Ancient of Lore at Algeth'ar Academy in Thaldraszus. It's surrounded by a lot of curious whelps. Not sure if related but it is a tree at least.

Across from that one there is two trees Ancient Protector and Tree of Life

[manic violet]

Aren’t those type of trees just called “Ancients” in general?

[weak kelp]

I know the blizzard stone makes the area snow, are there weather effect items for every season?

[weak kelp]

found this comment for the Wandering Ancient mount on wowhead. So my initial thought on the existing tree at the stump being summer and we are missing spring may be correct since the tree mount has green and brown leaves for spring.

this little buddy on the tree mount is interesting

[neat haven]

I think the menders reacting to toys is nothing really. Remember how we could 'wake up' that dragon in a cave in Uldum?

[stiff cradle]

tried shaking my winter leaves at them to no avail

[stiff cradle]

The azure span area has mobs casting Curse debuffs that last 3 to 5 minutes and can stack, I've seen 2 different ones so far, maybe the menders...mend the curse, i've tried reaching them with 20 stacks of Curse of ages but nothing happened, theres also Curse of the darktooth, maybe theres another 1

[dusky spire]

Yeah, I went all over the zone with the curse of ages - seemed odd that a mob that has almost no health has something that is THAT hard to stack to 20

[stiff cradle]

he also casts forgotten melodies thats not in the ability arsenal on wowhead atm, tho the ability itself has him listed as the NPC

[sand glade]

Probably nothing but... https://www.wowhead.com/npc=86916/spirit-of-bashiok he use to always be green right? i spawned him in the tree for the hell of it, he is purple now...which i assume one is missing from the group as we have seen all four colors together this xpac

[finite latch]

i got this rare spawn to kill one of them, but ntohing changed, they also use the "Strength of the isles" to heal like the ancient shephard or whatever

[brave blaze]

😦

[urban ingot]

Definitely an interesting post, one thing we can agree with , is that there is definitely some secrets in the game , the question is trying to gather all these clues and put them together ! I wonder how long it took this group to figure out the whole “Nightmare Mount” thing, I mean that was crazy in itself lol! Especially searching all the stuff from previous expansions.

[haughty token]

Hey folks - apologies if it has been posted before (I used the search function but couldn't find any mention of my find here) - I found an NPC called "Ancient Shepherd" a while ago.

I figured since "Ancient Menders" <-> "Ancient Shepherd" could be of interest for this secret: https://www.wowhead.com/npc=197642/ancient-shepherd

See also: #1049366344740651028 message

There are other many "Ancient x" like "Ancient Protector" or "Ancient of x" like "Ancient of lire"

[vagrant tide]

“Ancient of X” is the usual name for the various big walking tree dudes as far back as Warcraft 3

[coarse fox]

I think the tower of Zelthrak outpost and the tea set on top is definitely part of this. I looked around the zone and, as far as I found, did not see any other tower that has the same tea set or table on top. Obviously the dragon tea set has been tried so I’ve been trying to think of other things we could turn into, hold, or set down on the table.

[dusky spire]

There is an identical table, with the same tea set in the south east - which also has the same enemies

[proven ether]

isn't there a similar NPC like this in Feralas?

[abstract adder]

There could be. On Wowhead it shows there are quite a few Ancients of Lore.

[subtle epoch]

Wonder if this has something to do with them. (Forbidden Reach)

[finite latch]

well whats in there lol?

[subtle epoch]

Can't do anything there now without dying to the storm

Opens in a later patch

[manic violet]

Can explore it if you make an Evoker

[golden token]

Not really a temple. It was the barracks for the healer-spec dracthyr. Theyre the Menders.

[blissful hamlet]

Has anyone visited the ancient trees near Freya inside of ulduar. It was on my list of things to look at but I think it will be awhile before I make it there.

[finite latch]

i went there for a different secreet and afaict theres nothing different

[digital vector]

Hi!! I've never written here before but I felt like jumping in and I found three bears, one separate, just sitting and overlooking zelthrak. I didn't see anyone mention it I think. There are other bear mobs walking around but these three are just sitting and looking. I killed them together and nothing dropped

[digital vector]

It really seems like there's a "three" motif running here... I wonder if a group of three people might trigger something? Or some other three-based thing.

[foggy fiber]

Just an observation, but Zelth has blue eyes and Rakloo and Kout have yellow eyes. Every ancient in the game except for these two, including our Wandering Ancient mount on all four seasons has blue eyes, and these guys have "lookout" as part of their collective name, which is what you do with eyes. I don't know what to do with this, and it might be nothing, but idk.

[golden token]

If you could find ancients of that same color/model with different eye colors than that mender it could be relevent. But that just might be the regular color palette for that.

[minor silo]

I've been reading through this thread and I might have my tinfoil hat on too tight but the mention of 3 made me think of these filled mugs in Zelthrak Outpost. It's probably nothing but wanted to share just in case 👍
Edit: Just adding that I can't interact with anything here or target anything.
Edit 2: Oh shoot, someone already discussed these 🙈 well here's the image for reference just in case

[worthy tiger]

guys... i used mylune's call (the toy) in the center of them... but instead of Kout singing... this time Zelth was singing

and at the same time (with a friend) he summoned the spirit of bashiok (my friend i mean XD)

maybe it means something... i do not know

[idle harness]

You got any screenshots? Just so we know what were looking at?

[worthy tiger]

nope unfortunately.... i can wait for the cooldowns on the toys

to use them again

and make the screenshot

my friend now is saying that the name of the Ancient Menders have different meanings in different languages

not together i mean

Zelth in German (without the h) means 'tent'
Rakloo in Bulgarian means 'chest'
Kout in Haitian Creole means 'short'

maybe it means something aswell

[worthy tiger]

we could pin that if it helps

[worthy tiger]

i did find a "tent" in the Zelthrak Outpost but the only "strange" things are this things

it looks like a serpent skeleton or some sort

[worthy tiger]

i'm gonna try the combo bashiok + mylune's call again now

WAIT

NOW Rakloo is singing TOO!

those secrets i tell you.... they are driving me nuts 100% XD

[idle harness]

Man maybe you gotta get all 3 of em singing lol

[worthy tiger]

maybe lol

[shut anvil]

light 3 druids in tree form on fire?

[worthy tiger]

@shut anvil how? lol

[shut anvil]

stand on campfire

they will burn just that like toy tree

[worthy tiger]

maybe we need 3 druids doing this... i'm not sure

[worthy tiger]

it's pretty strange because, without the bashiok toy, mylune's call (last time i tried) made only Kout Singing

and before (at 3:05 am here in italy (i do not know if it is time gated but i'll throw it here anywhere)) only one was singing. only Zelth

and i was with a friend

and before my friend went offline, waited for the mylune's call and bashiok for the cd, i came back there, and i tried again the same thing we did but i did it alone... both of Zelth and Rakloo were singing

[shut anvil]

i had those 2 trees and archmage vargoth sing when i used mylune and bashiok

[worthy tiger]

@shut anvil do you have any screenshots?

[shut anvil]

a bad one (i didn't try to angle my camera at all)

[worthy tiger]

mmh... can you try to make a new one? maybe it could work again or differently

let's just find clues and hints 🙂

[worthy tiger]

mmmh... here who's singing now? lol

[shut anvil]

same time as other screen shot my toys are still on CD

[worthy tiger]

i could try to use vargoth, bashiok and then the mylune's call when mine are out of the CD aswell

[shut anvil]

didn't see anything new around the felwood trees :(

[worthy tiger]

this is particular

@shut anvil time to try the trees and then i will head to bed

NOW only Kout!!

i'm PRETTY SURE that is time gated!

MAYBE and i would say MAYBE if you are there at a time... maybe with the mylune's call they gonna sing together??

[idle harness]

Any change with multiple people doing it?

[worthy tiger]

@idle harness there was a little change. when i was online with my friend, only Rakloo was singing (that was the moment i didnt took the screenshot)... after an hour (or almost) i did the same thing with bashiok first and then mylune's call, Zelth and Rakloo were singing!

[idle harness]

What was the order you did to get kout to sing?

[worthy tiger]

in the last screenshot was Bashiok, Vargoth and Mylune's Call

then only Kout is singing with Bashiok and Vargoth

[idle harness]

Hmmm strange lol

[worthy tiger]

yea kind of lol

[worthy tiger]

@idle harness the thing that i liked to find the most, was that with my friend together

[rancid gate]

these gems are from the broken brazier (for lack of a better word). There are broken and unbroken ones all over the dragon isles. You light one at Wingrest Embassy in The Waking Shores near the beginning of our adventures in the isles. There are some of these in Valdrakken too :)

[worthy tiger]

Oh okok! I never thought that would be a thing ahah

[coarse fox]

Could it require three people? Three seems to be a pattern for this one

[devout mortar]

I visit them with a friend days ago, we use 2 Mylune's Call, we made all of 3 "sings", then... nothing happened.

[worthy tiger]

mmh.... pretty strange

[inner shuttle]

The wooden key have the same colours with the slimy things

[inner shuttle]

Or maybe they are flowers

[weak kelp]

Maybe like hivemind, 3 at the trees and a 4th where whatever opens up.

[worthy tiger]

Which key and what slimy thing?

[inner shuttle]

Slumber Incense || Everliving Wooden Key , maybe i'm completely side tracking

[inner shuttle]

seems like its already been tested in that secret finding discord

[worthy tiger]

yea...unfortunately :/

i'm side tracking too i think but the interesting thing i find with a friend of mine was the name in other languages of each ancient menders

[finite latch]

Might be irrelevant, but theres a rare spawn in thaldrassus called lookout mordren who sits in a tower looking straight at zelthrak. The brazier next to him is interactable as well, but clicking it does nothing. Afaik hes for a quest for the dragonflighty expedition to get his https://www.wowhead.com/item=200122/temporal-spyglass#dropped-by temporal spyglass. He respawns almost immediately as well despite being listed as a rae spawn

the brazier also shows an interact icon for a few seconds when you first look at it

[rugged totem]

If you look at the watchtower to the east of where this rare is, there's another brazier which is also "clickable"

[weak kelp]

have ya'll looked into this dude and his ducks?

[maiden charm]

there is like 3 of em and they have all been clicked in party to no avail

[runic oasis]

Whelp, the only thing I know now is that they really don't like Mahg the Trampler.

I kited the rare over to them and I was really surprised to see them scoot their butts out of that tree den and run after it so fast lol.

Tomorrow, I'm going to try and kite one of the Timbertooths to them. Maybe trees are afraid of beavers. 🦫

[finite latch]

i killed one of them with that rare

[worthy tiger]

do you have any screenshots?

[golden token]

They attack other giants on sight as well.

Forget if i tested with other hostile mob types.

[fading rover]

Pretty sure they attack everything that is hostile. One of those hostile a nimals get close enough to kite it there even if just for a second before it ran back but they rushed to hit it.

[runic oasis]

I’ve noticed a lot of things can be kited infinitely similar to the Colossal Sky Ray in Nazjatar. I tried kiting the Lost Elemental half way across the zone to the tree dudes and got very close, but died from the stacking fire debuff it gives.

[weak kelp]

hmm, what about players that are in warmode and fighting there. would take a H and A to pvp in the tree to see if they turn on you guys. Maybe we can kill them and loot them.

[golden token]

But zelthrak overlook

[brave brook]

Hi there - I'm a lurker, so I read constantly but I've never posted before. Dragonflight is giving me that secret-hunting/adventuring itch tho!

I meant to add more lol - so Ive done a lot of hunting around the "Lookout"

It haunts my dreams... Has anyone dug into the "ancient outlook" that is nearby? I searched around there for a good hour, and I find it strange that it shares the letters, although it's Outlook instead of Lookout, but there are no enemies here, and it's vaguely mysterious.

I personally found nothing that triggered a mousover tooltip, nor anything I could interact with with the interact key. Same goes for Flying around Lookout Mordren, who also did not get the memo about not being suspicious. I read a bit earlier that there were two people trying to click the braziers, did anyone try with three?

[golden token]

Those quests are all " kill a low tier rarespawn"

[fading rover]

Did not tried but pretty sure they would consider both player friendly despite the fight. So nothing would happen.

[weak kelp]

yeah, more than likely that is the case, but hate for it to not be and it never get tested

[fading rover]

mhm there is nothing to loose. But probably I will not , I doing too many things already:D + I do not have anyone to try it out

[weak kelp]

LOL, just go warmode, I guarantee someone will come by and oblige the testing

[median ingot]

Went to the Zelthrak Outpost tower to check this out - just some potential theories...

• On the table in the tower is a larger model of the Dragon Tea Set, with three cups (the same amount of NPCs back at the tree). They're steaming as if recently made. Wonder if 3+ players drinking from the tea set Toy in the tower would do anything (yet to get a party together to test...)
• Close to the lookout tower is the Obstructed Hornswog. One of the rare drops from this NPC is the Carving of Awakening. Being a wooden carving, curious as to whether using the item back at the tree (might be a stretch this one, it can be dropped elsewhere...)

[median ingot]

Noted that Ancient Shepards slightly south share the same model. Kited one all the way there, didn't do anything:

[worthy tiger]

even the Singing Sunflower does nothing on our tree friends

WAIT

happy tree friends??

does mean something? lol

[stark yew]

It seems to me that this is related to the selfie camera. There seems to be a lot of selfie achievements nearby. Have you tried taking a selfie or luring someone from an NPC nearby

[weak kelp]

I think someone mentioned they do pick up the music notes from Elune's Call

[ripe patio]

ive noticed ppl saying they look a bit like the felwood treebros. any rundown of things i should try toy wise other than mylunes call with them.. like i own rhok dalar and that might also trigger something, just thought id snag as much stuff outa my bank in one trip ^^

figured they look a bit alike, mebbe that might trigger something >< doubtfull since it would be stupid to tie something to that but hey.. worth a peek

[ripe patio]

went to em, only managed to get the green one (zelth) to sing with the call toy. tell us your secrets trees!

[weak kelp]

Don't we get a pet or toy from the felwood trees?

[ripe patio]

it was rhok dalar from them

[weak kelp]

Or maybe talk to the tree we saved

[ripe patio]

even tried with the staff / quiver on my person. only reaction was the call toy :C sat spamming assorted tree pets on em atm

[weak kelp]

Hmm, group up with 3 others and see if we can get him and the 3 in Azure to sing at the same time

Maybe there is more to the fairie circle to tirisfal glades, they sing.

Long shot, but get a group of 5, put everyone's garrison jukebox to the music roll from tirisfall glades and get all 4 trees singing in unison with the fairies. Brightwing in the druid dreamway asks us to help her groves.

For good measure use a group that's all hivemind attuned.

The tree in Felwood fits spring, being a young tree, so Azure would have summer, autumn, and winter, with Felwood having spring.

[ripe patio]

ill gather some guildies i know that have a big toy collection to help out

got a raid first then ill see if any of them are about after

[brave brook]

If anyone needs group members for trying things out, I'm online more than I should be, my level 70 is alliance and I'm always happy to help the hunt 🙂 I have 400-500 toys so I can help try a lot of things

Ebonwood-Dragonblight

[magic minnow]

Why are these three chipmunks so high up a fallen tree? don't recall seeing that anywhere else in the game

Also, what are these ancient menders names in other languages? Do they direct to the same location in game?

[worthy tiger]

yes

Zelth in German (without the h) means 'tent'
Rakloo in Bulgarian means 'chest'
Kout in Haitian Creole means 'short'

[worthy tiger]

can we pin that @magic apex if it could helps out with it?

[weak kelp]

We have an object at the dive bar with the disco pad that we can click and it creates a tent

What context is chest in Bulgarian? Do they have a separate word for chest as in anatomy vs chest as in a wardrobe or container?

In Haitian is it short as in size or short as in lacking

[worthy tiger]

it mean chest as a container

so probably it would refer to something we need to open

maybe

[weak kelp]

I looked at zelth and I don't think that's German, zelth seems to be a real word but not in German

[magic apex]

there you go

[worthy tiger]

thank you ❤️

[magic apex]

No prob

[worthy tiger]

mmh.... what could it be?

[inland tartan]

At least on wowhead their german names are the same as the english ones.

[stiff cradle]

yup, the dragonscale quest into tyrs vault gives u 3 disks, the time lost hourglass map gives you 3 hourglasses, +3 for that 😄
also, in the academy you need 3 people to activate a portal

[weak kelp]

well, maybe the trip to dragon isles for ally has a clue to these 'big' trees

😂 🤣 um, maybe not

[stiff cradle]

the void totem makes critters big and angry \ _/, maybe Dauvin has been hanging around too many totems

[magic minnow]

What abou the zelthrak outpost?

[golden token]

Too simple. Couldnt be it. Must be an anagram of 4 languages

[patent crest]

Noticed Rakloo began using a thinking pose over his growl animation. Anyone else notice this? Thinking it's probably a bug if anything.

[inland tartan]

it´s called Zelthrakaußenposten`` which means Zelthrak Outpost

[magic minnow]

You know the bird NPC that sells the phoenix stuff (other secret) is called Zektar... That could leave the other letters for an anagram of sorts? 🤔

[worthy tiger]

mmh not sure

[magic minnow]

If I remove the letters zektar from their names I am left with 'loot hokul'

[finite latch]

if only there was a monster named hokul

[weak kelp]

I'd rather it be HULK LOOOT

[scarlet depot]

Umm. So when the map lines for the Ancients' facing directions was drawn, did people ever test if they get similar results from their own drawings? Because I tested myself and my lines differ a bit from the original. Could they have moved since the map was made?

I went to test because I was suspicious of how close the green line goes to the South Hold Gate in Thaldraszus, where there's an NPC named Lookout Mordren. My line goes right over the NPC.

And, perhaps coincidentally, right over a clickable brazier.

[haughty token]

I found something fairly odd with the ancients... Their animations stutter in specific moments. And the pattern repeats. I don't have the time to sit down properly, and write it out, but so far:

• Green stops and repeats animation always "midway"
• Blue stops and repeats animation further towards the end or completely finishes the animation
• Orange has a fairly regular, very short animation stutter.

And the pattern DOES repeat all the time.

I ask anyone interested in this secret to have a look at their animations and see if they can confirm what I found

Morse code?

[rancid gate]

I'll go take a quick look

[rancid gate]

idk where to go from here, but the stuttering does happen. . I also feel like sometimes Green (Zelth) stops more towards the end of the animation, but that doesn't seem to happen all the time.

[haughty token]

Yep I noticed that too. I find that Green tends to have the "longest" animation, second to that is blue, and the shortest are always orange. - Did you observe that too?

If I make it to the evening without falling asleep I'll go have a look with a friend of mine and take notes. I tried to share an excel I made for this purpose but I messed it up. It did NOT like the google sheets to ms excel transformation...

[haughty token]

Okay guys, we found something REALLY interesting. PLEASE double-check.

A friend and I observed the treants. Turns out that BLUE (purple) always animates at the same time in BOTH our games. The blue treant does not display the same animations in each game (In mine he does the "stretch" animation; in my friend's the "beard stroke"). BUT

They both animate at the very same time. We have observed him for a while now. He's the only treant that animates across two separate games (pc, instances) identically timed.

We are sitting in voice and announcing eachother whenever he moves. And he does that geniuely simultaniously.

[patent crest]

A while back I posted about a change in my blue tree's animation as he stopped growling at me and began scratching his beard. After some testing I was able to trigger this for all of them based on player distance and orientation. Emots appeared to change what animation they did too.

However, I tried this on the other trees in zone and they too had odd animation patterns. Not sure but felt it was more of a bug then clue

If your still looking to test this further I had 2 theory's I did not get to test. 1) was to try using the emote pose used by the hunter trees on them. Thought it was interesting that they are the same color trees but in a different order.

The other emote thing I wanted to test was drawing from the wall of painting in the lookout tower. Had noticed in the main city water section there were a clust of insect with similar configuration but the blue insect had an odd name (thirsty). Was wondering if other objects or npc reveled similar emotable words.

[weak kelp]

anyone visited the trees with the fruit from Birchus that is in our WoD Garrisons?

[rancid gate]

I did! I'm still not sure if it's a clue or not but anything is worth looking at at this point :P

[spice ledge]

three little dragons next to Kazra, in the center of Valdrakken are also blue, green, red

'Raxem', 'Yikko' and 'Allik' are their names if it helps with anything

[rancid gate]

so maybe the colors of the menders refers to dragonflights and not seasons

[weak kelp]

nah, there are 3 seasons in the tree, summer, fall, and winter.

that's obvious

however and unlikely the dragonflights could represent seasons, leaving bronze dragonflight as the sun and twilight as moon

[patent crest]

If you don't mind me playing devil advocate, if we judge just on color then this puzzle would prevent color blind players from participating. I think in prior stuff if they use color then a secondary trait like shape (gem shapes) or magic effect (fire, shadow) would also be used.

Not sure Blizzard would do that

[brave brook]

Can you explain how it’s obvious they are meant to represent seasons if there are only three?

[patent crest]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-possible-boss-management-work-gif-16320399

Maybe wow just has 3, I know places like LA just have 2.

[blissful hamlet]

@patent crest#079 you are correct. This problem came to light during the lucid nightmare puzzle and blizzard addressed is saying that in the future that secrets would be acceptable to the color blind. Later they went further and added in ques for the hear impared as well.

I do know they added this to the game for accommodations for people who are color blind and visually impared. Idk how these accommodations work or if they would effect how the secret would be presented to anyone using these modes

[neat haven]

Supposing they are 3 diff colours and the colour blind person is using the colour blind mode option, they should be able to still make a distinction, right?

[haughty token]

Awesome! Thank you for double checking!

(copied from above)

Okay guys, we found something REALLY interesting. PLEASE double-check.

A friend and I observed the treants. Turns out that BLUE (purple) always animates at the same time in BOTH our games. The blue treant does not display the same animations in each game (In mine he does the "stretch" animation; in my friend's the "beard stroke").

BUT

They both animate at the very same time. We have observed him for a while now. He's the only treant that animates across two separate games (pc, instances) identically timed.

We are sitting in voice and announcing each other whenever he moves. And he does that genuinely simultaneously.

Edit: Also I wanted to point out: My friend and I did a wonky screen-recording-mash-up where where one would stream their wow screen and the other would record their own wow screen along with the friend's wow stream (I know it sounds like random words).

Also what we found is that Blue has two "animation modes" that get "assigned" to players randomly. Sometimes when I did a ui reload I was the one to always get the "beard stroke animation" while my friend only got the "stretch animation". After reloading those assigned animations would switch and I got the "stretch animations" only while my friend got the "beard stroke" ones. Again: Despite this, the animations would stop / stutter always at the same time in both games.

TL; DR:
We could prove that - having both wow instances "next to each other" - the stutters from blue treant always happen at the same time and that the animation sets of "stroking beard" or "stretching" would get "assigned" to a player randomly. Even after multiple ui reloads, relogs, being in or outside a group. It was always simultaneously.

<@&285953105202511872> Sorry to bother you, but I think this might be pin worthy given the confirmed double check by other secret finders here?

[haughty token]

I think the names and the various animations might help too?

[haughty token]

I will test that today too. So you mean by that, that you targeted the treants and did /dance or such?

[fading rover]

You mean exclusively doing one animation? Cause for me the blue did both without reload or anything.

[haughty token]

So what we found observing him for almost half an hour was:

He has two animation "sets"
A = 85% stretch animation with a few rare 15% beard stroke animation - Basically he would stretch all the time, with one beard stroke in between.
B = 85% beard stroke animation with a few rare 15% stretch animation - Basically he would stroke his beard all the time, with one stretch in between.

It never ever happend that my friend and I both got A and A or B and B. It was always A and B. Who would get animation set A or B was random.

I recorded the whole ordeal (with both sets visible next to eachother) but the file is 21mb and i don't know how / where to upload it...

[fading rover]

Hmm, several times it did neither of those for me, he just stood there twitching/restarting its idle animation without doing any of the two for a while.

[haughty token]

Yeah we had this happen but for orange. Orange would do absolutely nothing except the twitching/restarting of his idle animation just like you mentioned

I think this needs to be tested with 5 people, preferable in voice where you announce eachother when your designated treant "resets". We did that and it worked really well; and it was really spooky to realise that blue would always reset in the very same second in both of our games

[wintry ibex]

No idea if this is anything but this 3 set of picnic set ups is in Thaldraszus (coords to help find). Not sure if its relevant at all but with the tea set in the tower theory I figured it might link somehow? 😅

theres also coloured butterflies in the same colours as the trees around the area too

[haughty token]

I think we could / should give observing them another shot. This time as a bigger group of 5 perhaps. - Anyone willing to give this a shot via voice? I'm not the most extroverted person either, but heyo that's what you do for the chance of solving a secret 😛 If anyone's up for it, you may react to this message and we'll see around to organize something some time in the next couple of days. - Really any reaction emoji, just so I can track who wants to join and so that I can set up a group chat / voice date

[fading rover]

I am too introvert for such:D But what could the motion even mean?

[haughty token]

I was (We were) thinking perhaps something with music, morse code? Something that could be interpreted as a pattern. Maybe with one animation set being the "Long Dot" for morse and one set being the "short Dot" or combining the stutters with the names. I can't tell. I would first need to write down their patterns before drawing any conclusions

[fading rover]

I see the reasoning, maybe I was just not patient enough but so far I saw no system in it at all. Sometimes all 3 tree just idle animation stuttered with no other for a while.
I guess it would be worth to check hourly, or daily at the same time too if at least there is some system there or not.

[worthy tiger]

definitely we should try that

[haughty token]

I'll drop by the gang today and see if a new idea pops into my head

[worthy tiger]

i'm up for checking on them together.... those 3 ancients are mind bogling XD

[haughty token]

@worthy tiger Are you EU or US mate?

[worthy tiger]

EU 🙂

[haughty token]

Well perfect. Me too. 🙂 Just need to ask for a bit of patience. I caught a nasty cold and existing is pain right now. If you have more people / friends interested in joining, they are very welcome. I'm sure my buddy will tag along, so we'll be three minimum

[worthy tiger]

sure no worries! 😄

[haughty token]

Okay. I'd like to point out a new curiosity.

I tossed the "stutter animation"-idea aside for now and focused on the "the simplest solution is probably the likeliest". So Zelthrak Lookout -> Zelthrak Outpost -> Infamous 3 squirrles.

My thoughts / findings (Gonna overlap with what has been found already, but I list it for the sake of clarity / keeping information in one place:

1. Those three "Alpine Chipmunks" belong either to https://www.wowhead.com/npc=49779/alpine-chipmunk or to https://www.wowhead.com/npc=62189/alpine-chipmunk both of which where added loooong before Dragonflight.
2. Those npcs listed appear in very specific zones only namely Winterspring, Stonetalon Mountains, Mount Hyjal, Highmountain, Drustvar and Tiragarde Sound
3. Accoring to Wowhead there shouldn't be "alpine Chipmunks" in the Azure Span
4. Two of the three squirrles are regular critters with 5HP each. ONE is a battle pet. Though it is impossible to fight it up there ("Pet battle area is obstructed.").

My thoughts so far:
The three treants were a simple hint to go check out Zelthrak Outpost due to the name "Zelthrak". Then the treants made the hint of "looking out" for something around the area. Thus the three alpine chipmunks AND the three polarbears (sitting on a cliff) were found. Now the next hint (just tossing ideas here) would lie around the alpine chipmunks and / or the three polarbears sitting.

I strongly believe that placing one single battle pet on top of that tree trunk while also being unable to fight it is no accident but absolutely intentional and the next hint.

Things I tried:

• I taunted the battle pet (no damage) and it fled, temporarily turning it into a regular critter as well, before it ran back up again and turned back into a battle pet oO
• Went ahead, tamed a "Alpine Chipmunk" from Highmountain, returned to them and summoned it

[neat haven]

there's a toy that makes critters follow you for a while... maybe kite them to the trees?

[haughty token]

Which one?

Found a hollow tree by "following" a viewpoint from the highest tower in Zelthrak Outpost. I think the interior uses the same model as they do for the "treant area"

[minor silo]

I believe its the Panflute of Pandaria, I had to check but I don't have the toy

[haughty token]

Aw man. I got so excited... I used the flute and brought the squirrles to the treants. Nothing. 😭

WHERE IS SYLVANAS WHEN YOU NEED HER 😠

[round spoke]

Be the Sylvanas you wish to see in the world

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=95811/dnd-summon-basic-campfire

[haughty token]

😄 😄

[rancid gate]

There isn't always one chipmunk battle pet. The first time I saw them there were two. Sometimes they aren't battle pets at all. But you definitely can't battle them when they are.

[haughty token]

I think you are right or differently put: I think the three squirrles up there are intentional, but whether or not one of them is a battle pet is not.

[minor silo]

I would agree, I was not aware that these specific critters aren't native to azure span but what it means I do not know

[runic oasis]

Druids also have a Charm Critters ability, but I think that would have the same result since it works just like the toy. Could try it in tree form though 😅

[neat haven]

or we could try 'looking out' for Zeltrak (or however that's spelled) in Cata areas, since it was at that time the alpine chipmunks were introduced to the game

[runic oasis]

I’m surprised, I haven’t been able to find anyone mentioning Three Falls Lookout. It has “Three” and “Lookout” in the name, which is sus, but also the Ancient Menders look to be located directly in the middle of Three Falls Lookout and Zelthrak Outpost.

[neat haven]

I tried looking around that rock wall that's being mined in there, but couldn't find any angle that'd lead me to believe there's something behind it (tho it surely looks like it does)

[hasty fog]

There's a theory that 10.1's new zone is underground and that giant cave might become an entrance to it. But we won't know that for sure until they reveal the patch

[haughty token]

Definetly worth a shot considering that too. Is that a FP or just a POI on the map?

[haughty token]

So. I went to Three Falls Lookout and decided to just go by my gut feeling. There is a dwarfen explorer / cartografer that stands at the edge of the cliff with a telescope pointing out into the land. So I just decided "Lookout -> He looks out for something -> I check the path that the telescope aimed at."

I found this thing in the river (screenshot of location follows). I have no idea if this is pure coincidence, or if it's a valid hint. I don't know. I figured I'll let you know anyways

What I found interesting is, that this thing disappears / is invisible when dead

okay so I double checked. the telescope aligns 100%.

Idea: Not tried yet.

Bringing an "infected squirrel pet" to the menders

[silent island]

i believe that's a quest item

https://www.wowhead.com/quest=66841/a-shard-of-the-past

it's for this quest

[haughty token]

🥲

[golden token]

I summuned all my squirrels including that one.

Tried kiting local infected wildlife over too. Tried kiting mobs FROM zelthrak over.

[haughty token]

aw man. no luck... Yeah i tried the pandaria flute / whistle too and kited them over... - If you are bored, you can check out the three sitting polar bears on the cliff at Zelthrak outpost. Maybe it's something?

[golden token]

Mm i didnt bring them bears.

And i didnt considering kiting 3 things. Thats a lot of waiting for taunt cds and risking resets 🙂

[neat haven]

There are infected bear pets too if you wanna summon those near the menders

[lost girder]

I have some time to kill and want to help out, is there anything I can do or look into to help with this?

[haughty token]

pretty much anything. You can check out Zelthrak Outpost, the three squirrles, the three menders and three sitting polar bears. We don't have "hard evidence" for anything yet. We believe though that: 3 Ancient Menders -> Hint to Zelthrak Outpost -> Squirrles -> Next hint???

[haughty token]

Okay so I got even sicker and I want to die, but another friend of mine had a really interesting thought, that I wanted to share.

He agreed with me about how the ancients' animations are funky (We also did the whole "Does they move at the same time in your game and in my game"-thing). I can confirm now that the animation stutters and resets are server side; not game client side - In multiple instances and with three different people in three different game regions (EU though), it is simultaniously.

The new idea here though:
He proposed the idea that the stutters could be morse code OR coordinates

And behold:

Wouldn't ya know it. Coordinates usually are color-coded: Blue, green and red - I wonder who else shares that color palette... Oh wait. It's the ancients. :P

[worthy tiger]

damn this is pretty accurate tho not gonna lie XD

[haughty token]

I'll pass it along! I just need to find some people who want to go through the pain-stakingly annoying task of mapping out / noting down the animation sequence of the ancients...

[worthy tiger]

when you are free, we can do it together

[haughty token]

Okay another thing i just noticed randomly:

Freya, the boss in Ulduar. She has 3 Ancients there. Orange, Blue, Green and one called "Corrupted Servitor". Not to mention the three crystals in each corner. Blue, Green, Red.

Having a look around.

[night ridge]

You can view the animations on the 3D viewer on wowhead

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=190219/zelth#modelviewer

[haughty token]

The thing is, we don't refer to the regular, normal animation here. If you fly to them ingame, you will notice that - unlike the animation via wowhead - the animations ingame stutter, break off and restart in specific moments

[night ridge]

np, wasnt sure if youd checked them.

[lost girder]

I recorded about 15 minutes of footage of the trees if thats helpful for people

https://youtu.be/aTHHtHQGZLk

This was recorded in warmode

if that matters at all

[swift hill]

Would the length of the animation before stutter in seconds be the number for the coordinate perhap?

[stiff cradle]

Anyone considered that it's about the ley sickness?
Ancient overlook has the mine where we free that ley sickened npc from the camp next to Iskaar, and Elder Poa keeps telling us about the sickness of those who fell to the ley magic lure

[haughty token]

That's actually pretty neat! I'll see around if I map out the animations or so. Thanks!

[haughty token]

Ancient Overlook? Can you mark it on a map? That sounds new to me. And it does sound interesting since "Overlook" -> Lookout

[night ridge]

Similar to the Ancient Menders Crustosteo reacts to Mylunes call by "singing", fyi for anyone who has been testing that toy.

[lost girder]

I checked with a stopwatch on my phone just now
Zelth- Seems to consistently stutter at around 5 seconds
Rakloo- Seems to consistently stutter at around 6 seconsd
Kout - Stutters consistently at 3 second intervals for awhile before taking 11 seconds to stutter

[swift hill]

Not sure how to measure z coordinates in wow though

[swift hill]

doing /way 5 6 in azure span gave me this in ohn'ahran plains:

and /way 5.6, 3.11 took me to just off the coast of that area, nothing above or below

But that doesnt seem right so

[lost girder]

that was mostly just me seeing if it was consistent, I just stood near them and hit the lap button on a stopwatch every time it reset I would be amazed if it ended up giving relevant location data. thanks for looking though

my best guess would be the animation stuttering is supposed to lead you in a direction or distance from zelthrak outpost potentially? but where exactly would you start and what not is unclear to me

maybe you would go a certain amount of distance in each of the directions they are facing?

[worthy tiger]

maybe we need to "fly" for the duration of the stuttering?!?

[lost girder]

from where? and at what speed?

there are way to many hard to control variables there

[golden token]

I did a bunch of flying back and forth between and under fallen logs to zelthak and back.

Got one of them scratching his chin, but still dont really know if thats just a glitch in the looping.

[worthy tiger]

same... i did a bunch before back and forth

[white spoke]

I am not active with finding stuff anymore, but I happened to stumble upon this when doing a quest and none seem to have posted it in this group yet. The dolls from the gnoll-whacking game in Darkmoon Faire, standing in a really identical placement with regards to north. Can be found in a gnoll village.

[blissful hamlet]

Do you have the coords in this by chance?

[celest pumice]

This is used to summon Frostpaw. There's a hammer close by that you need to pick up and whack the toys

[white spoke]

Ah okay. No coords, but I made a red line to where it is on the map

[lost girder]

Can you get the hammer for the gnolls and use it on the menders? :P

[analog elm]

i think the hammer buff only lasts for like 20sec

[patent crest]

I hope your sitting in the upright position. Some next level stuff here.

[winged juniper]

Tin Foiling the Tin Foil Hat there.... But hey it wouldnt surprise me with some of the WoW Easter Eggs out there! test it out!

[devout mortar]

The desert flute toy works, all 3 squirrels turn into green friendly units and they start following me for 5 min.

[devout mortar]

@haughty token I took the squirrels to the tree with the Desert Flute and nothing happened, I'll take them to the bears and the 3 treants to see what happens.

[devout mortar]

Notes

1. If u bring them to the bears, they will attack the squirrels (even if u re stealth).
2. if u bring em to the treants... nothing happens.

Okay, there's something... odd.

Near the Zelkthrak Outpost, there is a tree with the same structure as the treant ones.

This place is Huntmaster Krakle's spot, if you are on the quest to kill him, you will get "Krakle's Trigger Paw", this item says: "Responsible for the deaths of thousands of woodland critters".

ps.: Nothing happens bringin the squirrels to that place, even if you kill Krakle in front of them.

[fickle plinth]

has anyone tried using this and then running to the menders? https://www.wowhead.com/npc=199553/scroll-of-blinding-speed

[haughty token]

Ah dang it. Yeah I tried taking the squirrles to the treants too. Nothing 😦

[haughty token]

Thank you for mapping that out! Anything helps!

[lost girder]

I didn't do it for long enough to see if that pattern changes

[timber shuttle]

Regarding point 4. Of the 3 chipmunks I witnessed, two were BP and 1 was a normal critter. So I don't think it's set in stone what they will be 🙂. There is also an alpine chipmunk on the ground at the same location.

As for stutters:
Red - 3.5 second stutters, 15 if roar, ~11 if beard scratch.
I observed it for a full hour.

[patent crest]

I also saw different BP (2 /3 or 0/3) , Was anyone able to clip their camera into the "Zelthrak tree" or "chipmunk tree"?

[timber shuttle]

fwiw summoned a creepy crate, it ate the squirrels but nothing special happened other than that 🤷‍♂️

[patent crest]

The void-Touched Souvenir Totem makes them shadow and flags as hostile but they wont attack you.

[worthy tiger]

mmmh... i'm here again in front of those Ancient Menders... and i thought... what if there is a special animation that those 3 guys doesn't share? maybe it's an hint

[blissful hamlet]

these guys are in irontree woods in felwood. IDK if there is a connection but thought I would mention it

[round spoke]

^ that's also where hunters got Rhok'delar

[devout mortar]

vartrus / stoma / hastat

[patent crest]

I have a lv 37 hunter with the old quest items rewards if anyone wants to summon for testing :P. To start this quest you needed to bring them an Ancient Petrified Leaf. In the dragon flight time-capsule quest he notes a leaf - "Veritistrasz says: A pressed leaf, I'm sure I thought that was important at the time? "

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=18703/ancient-petrified-leaf

[night ridge]

There's also three of these dudes in Blasted lands where Blackleaf spawns.

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=45260/blackleaf

I used Mylunes Call near them but unlike the ones in azure span they don't react.

[mighty nest]

Had a random thought on those chipmunks last night btw:
What if they're THE Chipmunks? Anyway to turn one red, one blue, and one green?

[narrow sigil]

Aren't there toys or clickables that allow you to paint mobs?

[mighty nest]

Pretty sure I turned one green with https://www.wowhead.com/item=166785/detoxified-blight-grenade when I was playing around with toys, but didn't think of the different colours until well after.
(Also, so I'm not the only one suffering this earworm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvJu15fw1sc)

[narrow sigil]

I feel like mechagon had toys that would spray different colors of paint

[narrow sigil]

dammit. I clicked that youtube link and now i'm bopping along

[twilit meteor]

Yes they have not toys I think but like consumables

[narrow sigil]

tbh I think the chipmonks aren't really involved.

[lost girder]

turnip paint gun would change their color

[narrow sigil]

The groundspawn bottle that creates butterflies around you: The butterflies are Purple Orange and Green.

I'm at work, so I can't try until 5pm EST but if anyone else has the bandwidth, lmk

[rugged fjord]

What if....it was an anagram

[worthy tiger]

it could be

[lost girder]

That was one of the first things proposed, do you have any ideas what kind of anagram it could be?

[rugged fjord]

no i'm not good at anagrams

[patent crest]

Tested this a while back with the paint bots one blue, green, and yellow. No result

[empty terrace]

i feel like this is really promising

[cinder musk]

I got butterflies and sat with the menders for 15+ mins and nothing seemed to change, also did so w Wistera buff on and off + tried the emerald tea from Dragon's Hoard w both and all three. but agree them being the same colors is super sus

[weak kelp]

has anyone used the griftah turtle item to get to stormsong before buffs run out?

[empty terrace]

hey i never said it was 100% i just said it was promising (sorry i wasted your time)

[cinder musk]

wasn't saying you wasted my time at all man, it's a great idea. Was just recording that I tried it, that's all 😋

[empty terrace]

long shot, but I wonder since they are menders (healers) if we should try interacting with them while injured?

[rancid gate]

I think people have brought mobs over and died in front of them with nothing happening

[glad dagger]

just seen this image from the 10.1 content and made me immediately think of these guys

[worthy tiger]

me too xD

[winter raptor]

They have different poses, this looks a bit more like the Spider-Man meme to me

https://tenor.com/view/suhgenre-jccthangs-gif-24975871

[lunar marsh]

Has anyone thought of these 3 pots are connected too the secret?

[lost girder]

Those pots are for an alchemy knowledge treasure

[lunar marsh]

Ah didn't know sorry

[waxen hornet]

Went to the area where zelthrak lookout would make sense and found an Obstructed Honswog. Maybe related to Hek?
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=196403/obstructed-hornswog#comments

[mighty nest]

If related, likely as a clue only: requirement for https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Vigilance_of_Tyr.

[blissful hamlet]

@waxen hornet he is related to a quest or a daily. I just don't remember which. You kill him and he drops the npc he is holding in his mouth, then you loot something off its body.

[waxen hornet]

I see two quests related, the quest linked by @mighty nest and a jewel crafting quest. In both cases the quests are about the frog ingesting silver and a pungent stone. Just mentioning context to honswogs for the whiteboard of ideas to solve. Trust me, if I ever find anything actionable, or interesting I'll share.

[cinder pilot]

@long pollen

[proper scroll]

Any chance that this could be related?

[arctic aspen]

[proper scroll]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=193033/convergent-prism

[empty terrace]

dont remind me, i have only recently escaped stardew

[worthy tiger]

ooooh damn!!!

this could lead to something!!

[mortal fossil]

following up on this, the toy has colors corresponding to the trees colors so maybe 3 people needed to have the toy and flash each color at the same time? lmk if someone wants to try it on eu

[worthy tiger]

i hope not

[finite basin]

henlo
The subzones of argus on the map glow with colors corresponding to the menders. I cannot recall if this was always the case but they seem to be the only map zones that have a non standard coloration

(by glow I mean when they light up from mouseover)

[weak kelp]

well I never noticed that. Hmmm, is that new?

[pine nimbus]

Can't remember where exactly but in forbidden reach there is a place that has 3 caldrons, each one with a different colour corresponding with the ancient colors

[teal jasper]

Cauldrons are in a gnoll area in Thaldraxxus, i think its just north or northeast of Valdrakken itself. End up over there often enough for crafting weekly drops

never seen any in Forbidden reach, open to being corrected though 😄

[lost girder]

Pretty sure those are just a knowledge treasure

[winter raptor]

They indeed are, for Alchemy

[midnight condor]

Did anyone got the debuff of Porta while carrying "Half Swallowed Sliver" (https://www.wowhead.com/item=200480/half-swallowed-sliver from the one who drops out of https://www.wowhead.com/npc=196403/obstructed-hornswog in Zelthrak Outpost) this is a Quest item and you can still obtain it after doing the quest - > in my opinion this cant be a bug - they always disable the option to get such quest items after completing the Q but not this time + you can get as much as you want of Half Swallowed Sliver

[haughty token]

I found something very interesting. I just randomly dropped by the questing area at ruby lifepools and realized: The butterflies there... They are Blue, Yellow/Orange and Green... And on top of that they regularly spawn new butterflies. I feel like the colors actively cycle through. I just had all green butterflies a few minutes ago and now it starts to switch to all blue

[weak kelp]

chase the rainbow

[kind lance]

Are the chipmunks Alvin, Simon and Theodore? 😆

[weak kelp]

well, they can be battle pets cause one of them is for me

and they can be charmed with panderan flute

but battlefield is obstructed for the tamable one

[neon zinc]

tried going to zelthrak outpost as a ghost, didn't help much. Went to all the points of interest such as the chipmunks, the bears, the three orange cups, the three green cups

[neon zinc]

if you still haven't done this, I'd love to help out

[narrow sigil]

My latest theory is a time travel theory. I wonder if the broken tower will be accessible in one of the timey wimey things coming up

[night ridge]

Yeh I managed to get Crustoceo to dance/sing along to Mylunes call too so seems to be a less rare reaction than we originally thought.

[timber shuttle]

I sat by the tree boys for multiple hours over several days, meticulously recording and logging the times for their animations and identifying the frequencies of each animation which I then categorised into "common", "uncommon" and "rare" movements. The movements they will do are:

1. Just stand still breathing in and out like normal. (Stand)
2. They'll roar side-to-side (Roar)
3. They'll scratch their beard (Scratch)
   They do not do any other type of movements at all.

Each ancient has 3 possible animations they go through with different rarity of animation coming up before suddenly resetting stance:

• common (you'll see this most of the time)
• uncommon (you'll see this less often than common but much more than rare, usually about 1 every 1-2 minutes)
• rare (you'll see this VERY rarely. Sometimes 10+ minutes without seeing it! There was a period where Zelth didn't do his rare for just over 20 minutes!)

Zelth (Green ancient):
COMMON - Stand: 5 second animation
UNCOMMON - Roar: 10 second animation
RARE - Scratch: 5 second animation

Rakloo (Purple ancient)
COMMON - Stand into unfinished roar: 6 second animation
UNCOMMON - Roar into unfinished roar: 12 second animation
RARE - Scratch: 6 second animation

Kout (Orange ancient):
COMMON - Stand into unfinished roar: 4 second animation
UNCOMMON - Roar into unfinished roar: 11 second animation
RARE - Scratch into unfinished roar -> 7 second animation

Two things that stand out as peculiar for me:
The first thing is that the UNCOMMON animation duration is equal to the sum of the COMMON and RARE animation for all 3 ancients!
The second thing is that the ancients are all "secondary" colour palettes (green = yellow+blue, purple = red+blue, orange = red+yellow)

Now I don't know where I'm going with this but I spent more than 24 hours carefully observing and recording incredibly accurately to the split second for each animation. This can be no coincidence.

[dusk oyster]

Are you thinking the animation timings could be directions or some sort of meaning?

[weak kelp]

Each animation has a unique numbering. Common and Rare share Zelth's animation prior to Rakloo's using the same numbers. 1, 2, 3 & 8, 9 are missing. However, only Kout has a unique position in each animation grouping.

4 - Kout - Common
5 - Zelth - Common
6 - Rakloo - Common

10 - Zelth - Uncommon
11 - Kout - Uncommon
12 - Rakloo - Uncommon

5 - Zelth - Rare
6 - Rakloo - Rare
7 - Kout - Rare

[timber shuttle]

I have no idea! But I spent way too much time with a stop watch over the past two weeks to ensure that my timings were right. I just don't believe that it could just be coincidental and that these ancients keep resetting and each reset has a chance of one of 3 animations to play and they are incredibly consistent with times, there were no deviations whatsoever that I can recall.

[glossy canyon]

I wonder if the Stuffed Bear from Zskera Vaults has a purpose here. It's flavor text is "an inappropriate gift from an ancient era" and it currently has no known purpose. It also isn't a toy for some reason. I was always thinking it was tied to some kind of secret we just didn't know yet.

[lost girder]

The gnoll tree stump bobble heads aren't relevant right?

[round spoke]

Those are for a rare I think?

[winter raptor]

They are indeed

[timber shuttle]

Where's this?

[timber shuttle]

I weaponised my own autism, wrote a script that'd allow me to simply input "1, 2, 3" for each of the animations and all I'd do is tap the number when recording an animation.

I sat for 4 hours getting roughly 3000 inputs and the values converged to the following. I only did it for Zelth (Green boy) today, might do it for Rakloo and Kout tomorrow.

Results:
87% of the time, Zelth just stands there before resetting. (Common animation, 4 seconds length)
10% of the time, Zelth will roar and look side-to-side before resetting. (Uncommon animation, 10 seconds length)
3% of the time, Zelth will scratch his beard before resetting (Rare animation, 5 seconds length).

I wish I could get chatGPT to do this for me but alas Blizzard doesn't like botting 😠

[lost girder]

What would chatgpt do?

[timber shuttle]

idk it's 00:37 where I am, I just spent ~3 hours pressing "1" "2" or "3", I may have lost a teeny tiny bit of my sanity.

1: 86.83% - 178 of 205
2: 10.24% - 21 of 205
3: 2.93% - 6 of 205

For Rakloo, after ~40 mins. Seems like it is also convering towards "87, 10, 3"

I'm gonna assume it's the same for Kout.

Guys
Has anyone done this before?

They're all dead 😐

I kited this rare towards the stump and they just all ran out before the rare got there.

seeing if i can't kite it to zethrak lookout

They run back while kiting it :/.

Well, at least I murdered them for all the angst and grief they've caused me.

[fickle plinth]

are the trio ancients attacking the rare?

[timber shuttle]

Yep. They agro on to it as soon as it comes within a certain range (not due to damage). It was quite surprising!

[golden token]

Various treants and giants fight south of there.

[spiral silo]

I want to add to this that a friend and I have observed this a good while ago.

I'll see if I can link to my comment, but TL;DR:
The Treants' animations are SYNCHRONIZED on a server basis. While the type of animation differed for me or my friend, the timing was always the SAME. We sat in discord and "counted" for about 30min every time aloud whenever one specific treant would start their animations. As in

Me the moment the orange treant starts their animation: "Now"
Friend the moment the orange treant starts their animation: "Now"
[both of us waiting the repeat]

Ah haha lol. My old burner account: https://discordapp.com/channels/223122687227199489/1059916393283325993/1074006187714035782

Will confirm that it was me, if anyone wants/needs me to. I think I still have access to it via my ipad.

[spiral silo]

I just had an idea. I stumbled across Gracus (A huge treant in the middle of Iskaara). The same Gracus from Onaharan Plains that raises ducklings. Three to be specific. So my idea was: 3 people with each one a duckling according to the matching color. There is even a battle pet that you get as a reward from him called pilot. I don't have the time to test that currently, but I wanted to throw that idea in there.

[weak kelp]

I like that idea, except that Gracus and Zelth share the same model. I think the model we are looking for is the missing season.

[spiral silo]

That is an interesting thought! Definetly worth looking into it

[spiral silo]

I captured a wild duckling just now and brought alon with me. Nothing happend. I have the impression though that compared to before 10.1.5, they didn't make any sounds. They do now though.

[lost girder]

What kind of sounds?

[spiral silo]

Oh just regular treant sounds. Not all the time though. I could have sowrn tha

*sworn that they haven't done that before.

[lost girder]

I believe they did before, maybe you just had sound off or weren't close enough

[spiral silo]

Yeah you think? Might be. I have been observing for some time before 10.1.5 but I never heard the mmake any treant sounds.

I'm still convinced that their animations are the key. But I don't know how or why.

[weak kelp]

are their animations emotes that we might need to do with the missing Ancient Mender?

[spiral silo]

Oh people have tried a lot of different things. That one too for sure. - I can recommend the pinned document or also searching the channel here

I think the most important things tried thus far ar:

• Check Zelthrak Outpost
• 3 Squirrles at ZelthrakOutpost
• Bring various pets to the ancients
• Do animations / test various toys with the ancients
• Bring mounts ect.

[weak kelp]

none of that is gonna lead us to the missing tree. However, the missing tree could lead us to the trio.

[lost girder]

It's been tried

With the pan flute

[oak perch]

Let me put my cents in this: i was looking to the AM. Stayed for 3 minutes aprox. Then, my brother arrived my home and i had to give him attention. Forgot about the game. When i remembered, went to the PC and i was dead. Dont know what happened.

Thats where i died

Of course, i was WM Off

[oak perch]

Forget it, Fyrakk killed me

[wanton warren]

I feel like Zelthrak Outpost might be somehow related to this puzzle, it's too convenient their names lead that way if it's for nothing. There is a cliff and a tower at the outpost both of which could be considered Zelthrak lookouts, on the cliff there was 3 bears sitting gazing in to the distance, in the tower there is a steaming tea pot with 3 cups beside it, but there is also a tall tree half resting ontop of Zelthrak outpost which has 3 Alpine Chipmunks ontop of it (which seem very out of place for this zone).

It's also notable that out of the 3 bears 2 of them sit next to eachother while one of them is seated further apart, and out of the 3 tea cups 2 of them are right next to eachother while the third one is slightly apart aswell. The chipmunks keep moving around so they cannot be grouped up like that. (2 clues are static, similar.. 1 clue is dynamic, different)

If you go by the "2 are grouped 1 is apart" logic then it also rings true with the mender ID's with 2 of them being almost next to eachother while one of them has a totally different range of ID.... But it bothers me why are the 2 similar ID's not 1 number apart but 2? .. They end with 23 and 25. I looked in to what's ID 197624 and it's https://www.wowhead.com/npc=197624/mana-wyrm .. Could this lead somewhere?

[wanton warren]

That NPC is part of a quite curious questline with references to Yu-Gi-Oh and being centered around Hearthstone cards and players.

[wanton warren]

I don't know if it bears any significance but from what I quickly read the protagonist in Yu-Gi-Oh is solving (and holding on to) something called a Millenium Puzzle which is this weird upside down pyramid apparatus. The quest NPC this questline revolves around is a reference to that protagonist and is wearing a belt with a loosely similar kind of upside down pyramid model (which is not familiar to me elsewhere in the game). Just a wild jab, could be nothing. Anyways sleeping now ->

[random silo]

Has anybody tried that flipping card toy in front of them?

[compact anvil]

im probably way overthinking it but i just wanna put it out there that if you change their names into numbers where a=1 and z=26 and then add up the numbers for each name you get 71 72 and 67, and if you put 71 72 into a waypoint it takes you to an island off the coast of iskaara with only green and purple trees( the same colour as the ancients who were used as the co ords) and also a weird stone pattern which is whats in this screenshot. not sure what 67 is about tho

[spiral silo]

There are 3 squirrles on top of half fallen tree as well. I checked that place up and down and no luck so far

[spiral silo]

Any crazy new idea is a good idea. I one proposed that the three colors of the treants represent Z, X and Y coordinates (You know those colored lines you see in many 3D modeling programs)

I kinda want to revive this secret. I know it's been slow and no progress has been made, but I'm very, very certain that this is in fact a full secret. There is no way that with their weird names and the whole "animations reset stutter" this whole thing is justone big coincidience

I want to add: Chances are perhaps, that this secret will be conected to 10.1.7? With the whole Dream / Worldtree thing

[dusk oyster]

Can we be certain of that? clearly the NPCs are there for a reason, but we are making a lot of assumptions in thinking we are meant to be doing something now and starting at the menders. We've had enough people stare at them for hours to understand that they just cycle through animations like most NPCs.

[spiral silo]

Certain of what exactly? Them being a secret, or what do you mean? @dusk oyster

[dusk oyster]

yes

[spiral silo]

I do disagree about the animation cycle part. Ican't recall a single npc, even less so, three next to each other that have that type of regular and predictable stutter, which is btw serverwide. I checked with a friend and while the animations themselves and the treants who did them varied across both of our clients, the timing was on the milisecond identical. No matter how long we watched, they would always perfectly align every single time

So, okay. What else would they be in your opinion? Just an easteregg, or what do you think?

[dusk oyster]

The boring/safe/consistently right answer is usually "cut content or content planned for later". Hard to be sure until we see changes like we did with the Ancient Stones. All I am saying is many people have been trying to start a secret at the menders and they really don't seem to be telling us to do anything specific.

I'm also considering NPCs like the 1 kyrian down in the maw that was never tied to any questline/event, or the kyrian chest tucked away in that Revendreth tower. Sometimes they cut content but don't cut every part of it. But if a group of finders convinced themselves that it just HAD to be related to something then they would likely still be looking into it

We got the names that match up to be similar to a named location that is 100% sus. But that is all we have had for months

[spiral silo]

Absolutely, I can imagine that they are connected to 10.1.7 perhaps. With the emerald dream / the world tree and such. We've seen it with the Secrets of Azeroth / Arrows thing too. So no doubt that this a possibility.

[dusk oyster]

That article this thursday on the secret event will hopefully clear some things up in this discord

[spiral silo]

It's more of a: "Hey guys, don't give up on it yet. Just be patient and keep an eye out." - I feel like many secrets tend to take on a slouch when the reward (or the possible reward) is unknown.

[dusk oyster]

i mean we havent even found a secret yet to be honest, just 3 npcs

hard to get people to look into something we have not proved is a thing

look at the ember talisman and otto, those things had an intended path and assets that proved we had additional stuff to do

if we are meant to be doing something, the people who design this stuff are pretty good at hinting us to the thing they intended for us to do

[spiral silo]

Absolutely

[compact anvil]

how do you find out what item has what id? i wanna see what the item is between the 2 ancients

[weak kelp]

I think it's more of when stuff hasn't been found in datamining. Seems like the pattern is the reward is found in datamining and then the search to solve how to obtain it begins. The true start of the secret doesn't ever seem to be found in game.

[spiral silo]

Via wowhead. If you check the link in your adressbar, every entity / item ect. has a specific number attached to it.

[compact anvil]

ok thanks :)

[storm aspen]

Hey guys normally I just lurk but I've been reading along with this thread and I kinda just noticed some new toy in the new patch (dreamsurge vendor) not sure if it has to do anything with this secret, but its called "Friendsurge Defenders" (calls a trio of adorable friends from the emerald dream to your side)

Since it's a trio and has to do with the emerald dream I thought it may make some sense at least ^^

[wise pier]

As I was doing the final part of the Secrets of Azeroth latest secret , I noticed 3 Ancients in Felwood

[round spoke]

Those dudes were part of the hunter epic bow questchain in vanilla, you can read about that here https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Vartrus_the_Ancient

[weak kelp]

they were also part of another quest line to get a pet

[worthy tiger]

mmmh... have you bought them? i mean that toy and also the other one? maybe it could work on them

[storm aspen]

I haven't yet been able to play too much since the new patch sadly, but I did want to give the heads up in here cause I felt like it may be related to this secret

[worthy tiger]

maybe it could.... once i got the mount first, ill try it aswell

[worthy tiger]

@storm aspen nothing happened unfortunately

[storm aspen]

Aww darn, thank you for trying it out! I will keep my eyes on the lookout for another clue though

[cunning root]

Adding just in case it's of interest. Once someone cued me to the names, and Zelthrak Overlook, I got lost looking for the Overlook and ended up in Ancient Outlook.

Someone earlier mentioned Three Falls Lookout, and how a line between it and Zelthrak runs straight over what I'm thinking of as the tree-oh. This is also true of Ancient Outlook and Zelthrak. And those three points make use of three of the four words we can get out of their names and titles.

Is it possible these three points map an arrow towards the Eastern Kingdoms? They do make a very, very narrow triangle.

..... uh.... could they be pointing towards Mender's Stead?!

It doesn't look like a good line-up but I suppose it was worth tossing out there.

[woven furnace]

Might need to try our Wandering Ancient Mount when it turns into a Winter season tree

[worthy tiger]

i don't think could work

[spiral silo]

Gonna "necro" this post for the upcoming 10.2 patch. Given how everything revolves around the dream, ancients and what not, it would begood to keep ones eyes peeled!

[worthy tiger]

of course

[vital lagoon]

Hi! I wanted to have some fun and I checked the drive document. My journey started with the trees, and then I walked to the ancient outlook (21 35 Azure span)and I found some map there, very very similar to forbidden reach. I'm going to look for some clues in the menders zone 😛 advices are welcome!

[maiden fern]

This map is definitely imo the Forbidden reach (u can compare the maps and all the islands are the same). The three trees have the title "mender" and in the Forbidden reach there's a place called " The caldera of menders" and there, inside a cave, there's an identic map like the one Sovietkayn showed previously. This map is covered by a paper with a hole showing an exact position... This seems very very odd.

And next to this cave in The caldera of menders there's some kind of "ritual" similar to the ending of Hivemind. I'll post a picture. This may be the ending of the secret but this is just a theory.

I’m also gonna post the second map (the one thats indentic to the Azure span one)

When u follow the map posted above this message u find another "ritual" with the blue runes.

[vital lagoon]

Confirmed

[dusk oyster]

2 quick tips to keep in mind while you investigate

1. Maps are assets that get placed and replaced all over the zones, often for worldbuilding.

2. Runes like that 99% of the time have no translation, and are just meant to convey the written form of many of WoW's made-up languages

[maiden fern]

Ik, im not trying to translate, just follow locations

And they make some kind of sense so far

That hole in the paper is sus

Idk, if someone else thinks this might be a progress in the secret just lmk bc is thats the case we can team up and research deeply :D

[worthy tiger]

maybe it could lead to something 🙂

we have to try even the new toys

[worthy tiger]

fun fact... if you go near the tower of where you located this map, if you turn off all the way low the music, it plays ANYWAY one type of music. it sounds like a revendreth song, but i'm not sure of it. this is super sus. i think it is for another part of another secret. i'll just leave it here

[worthy tiger]

where is the cave you've described?!?

[worthy tiger]

it's at 29.89, 66.80 inside where duzalgor is located

in a room

[maiden fern]

Sry, forgot to put coords :)

If u wanna search it and colaborate we can maybe keep figuring things up!

[worthy tiger]

yea i was already lookinf for things, but there nothing around there

unfortunately

[worthy tiger]

i mean.... i'm on this secret for a long time xD

i even found out the translation of any single mender

took me a bit

[worthy tiger]

this could be out of place but... in the Emerald Dream at 33.29, 46.57 there's this thing.... i'm not so sure if it is in some way or near connected to the ancients in azure span... it's just a guess

[dusk oyster]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=210200/petrified-hope It's profession knowledge

[worthy tiger]

oh damn... ok 😦 i was getting hopeful there lol

[worthy tiger]

so.... i was playing around with the IDs of the Ancient Menders while i was looking around for some clues and what not and i found out this strange npc.... https://www.wowhead.com/npc=203361/stananormu it does recall to someone or something attached to a profession or something else? because i found out that this little guy HAVE a waist of time with him... i don't know if it is somehow related or not... but maybe it could be a clue or it could lead to something

[cinder pilot]

could be something but could just be a flavor npc

he is a bronze dragon near the temporal conflux

something to consider

[worthy tiger]

i mean yea... he had even the waist of time equipped

[dusk oyster]

He's a Bronze Dragon, a couple of them have the waist of time on in that zone

[worthy tiger]

he is walking around inside this little library at 52.25, 83.29 in Thaldraszus

when you click on him he have 3 messages saying:

1. Yes? What do you want? Can't you see i'm trying to work?
2. I'm a little busy at the moment! Go bother someone else.
3. You again? Wait... Have we met?

the last one throw me out a little bit. but it could lead to something

[cinder pilot]

yea thats something they like to say cause timey wimey bronze dragon things

[worthy tiger]

there are notable or any other random bronze dragon npcs that says that?

[dusk oyster]

they all live within multiple timelines, so being confused with which one they are presently walkin around is a running gag with the flight

[cinder pilot]

Chromie has had it as a schtick for ages

for one

But yeah many of them make the comment due to dipping into various timestreams and not really knowing which they are present in

[worthy tiger]

maybe we need to "find" the ancient menders in another timeline?

i don't know.... this secret in particular is throwing me off

i tried anything

🥲

[dusk oyster]

I was really thinking the ancients become relevant with some questline during DF but we've gone almost the entire expansion without that

[worthy tiger]

exactly

[dusk oyster]

It's not as odd as that ghost fish quest npc thing, among a few other things we've been poking at for a year or so

[worthy tiger]

which one?

[dusk oyster]

i honestly dont even remember the name, it's a ghost stingray in an underwater cave off the coast. has a quest NPC icon but it was never used.

i dont think it's relevant to the menders, it's just another out of place thing with no satisfying answer at the moment

[round spoke]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=199721/maketik

[cinder pilot]

dont be discouraged! when people post theories you're going to get others weighing in that might make it seem like we're just saying no but we ar ealso trying to point out other possibilities for things

for all we know he is the key, no idea, just adding some more info as some counterpoints 😄

[worthy tiger]

mmhhh.. WHO? Stananormu you mean?

[cinder pilot]

Yeah

[worthy tiger]

a key to something

i don't wanna bother Celestalon for this particular "secret" but the temptation is high lol

[dusk oyster]

100% dont

[cinder pilot]

You'll get smacked if you do, we don't bug blizz blues. (Hes also on hearthstone now)

[worthy tiger]

nono i won't do it at all but this is throwing me off at all for sure

of course i'm not gonna it's just that those menders.... i've dreamed about them too XD

i think i'm taking that too seriously lol

[round spoke]

Celestalon also doesn't work on WoW lol

[worthy tiger]

he didn't worked on some secrets back in legion? i thought he was still working on them

[round spoke]

Yeah but legion was like 8 years ago

[dusk oyster]

he hasn't for a couple years, he does the Hearthstone Secrets now

[round spoke]

total speculation but I'd guess the last one he worked on for WoW was hivemind

[cinder pilot]

that was like his baby lol

[worthy tiger]

what a crazy secret it was lol

[cinder pilot]

i always enjoy Celestalon secrets because hes so invested in the discovery process

😄

plus they are fun

[worthy tiger]

i totally agree with you 😄

but back to the topic... zelthrak lookout sounds like a "trap" or a red herring to me... or maybe we have to find an item there... which i didn't find anything still around

[worthy tiger]

wait... it could be the key to free Wu'de Prepfoot from his cage? lol

[cinder pilot]

[worthy tiger]

what if the ID's of the ancient are some coordinates that we need to look at? like one is far away from the others and it's pretty strange

[reef gale]

I was taking a look at "Ancient Outlook" yesterday and one thing intrigued me, why does Revendreth's music start playing as soon as we enter the room?

I tried using some toys, hoping that something would happen or some item would become clickable, but nothing.

I wonder if any of Dragonflight's secrets are related to Revendreth.

At the top of "Ancient Outlook" is an NPC painting a picture.

Could all of this be related to the secret of "Unfinished Paintings" or "Ancient Menders"?

[dusk oyster]

The music is leftover from devs copypasting terrain/cave assets from prior maps, sometimes music ques get carried over as well

[forest snow]

yes but I don't think you make a decision randomly in terms of what cave you copy since there are many caves to choose from in WoW

[fresh kayak]

There’s so many dragonflight secrets or interesting things that I don’t think are getting solved or lead to anything.

[narrow merlin]

Doesn't appear for me, were you doing something else with the menders before hand?

[spiral silo]

Oh we were trying so many different things. The mender for example have something I call "animation canceling" they would repeat, stop midway and restart certain animations. The time at which they would stop or restart is >identical< for everyone. At least in a group. So much we figured out. Also the animations differ from player to player, but the timing is the same

[timber shuttle]

This secret makes me sad lol. I spent hours upon hours, days upon days watching closely the animation times a while back and recorded them and their % chance to occur but nothing :D… I had a running hypothesis at some stage that maybe it’s spells out something in binary if you stay a really long while and record it but the decimals threw me off and I don’t have THAT kind of patience… I hope it gets solved soon 🫶🏻

[weak wind]

I suspect at this point it’s likely that whatever these were meant to be linked to was cut. Or this was some obscure joke between the dev team

[noble sigil]

"The absence of the named location and weird formatting of their names is mega sus. I considered it to be an anagram." I think Zelthrak Outpost is good enough. An outpost can also be a lookout location.

[spiral silo]

Same here :/ Sat with a buddy of mine on voice and we started counting and recording variations of the animation movements across servers and time zones and what not. It's such a shame.

[covert shard]

Hi! So, I'm relatively new here. Poking around, and this one was on top. The three frostsnout bears at the top, I wanted to see where else they could spawn. Their spawn locations according to Wowhead have 3 grouped relatively close, but then a fourth way, a good bit northeast of the rest. There just seems to be one, and it has a Hearty buff. Not sure if it's something already looked at, or if it's nothing xD

[ivory lava]

ive only scanned the messages and the doc but i don't see any mention of this tea set at the top of the lookout tower at Zelthrak outpost. it is perpetually steaming and, seeing as how this was specifically placed here, two of the 3 cups are clipping into the large teapot.

[covert shard]

I did try placing 3 various tea sets, but didn't notice the clipping. gotta be relevant?

[ivory lava]

if it is relevant I'm thinking it represents something. No one would just haphazardly specifically place an object like this and have it clipping.

perhaps a map location involving hotsprings or tea or both.

[covert shard]

raid soon, but i'll take a look at maps and see if anything clicks

[shut solstice]

mapped out the connections between a bunch of ideas.

[weak kelp]

you left out the conservatory in Ulduar

[shut solstice]

Added Ulduar to the list of other ancients

[ember rivet]

just doing a readback of the channel, i don't believe its been mentioned their display IDs and CreatureID are different with the CreatureID they are Zelth Green ID: 190219, Rakloo Purple ID: 197623, and Kout Orange ID: 197625, with Rakloo and Kout having close IDs right? but if you look at their Display IDs they are Zelth Green DisplayID: 29238, Rakloo Purple DisplayID: 29239, and finally Kout Orange DisplayID: 89537, with Zelth and Rakloo having the sequential IDs and Kout having the odd one out, completely opposite of the first set of IDs

TLDR: the IDs match in opposite ways
Rakloo CreatureID:197623 Kout CreatureID:197625 (odd one out Zelth with CreatureID:190219)
Zelth DisplayID:29238 Rakloo DisplayID:29239 (odd one out Kout with DisplayID:89537)
so far only Zelth and Kout are missing a nearly/fully sequential ID

[weak kelp]

So since Zelth's Display ID is lower than Rakloo and Rakloo's Creature ID is lower than Kout's there's order to them, leaving the 4th missing ones Creature ID either being lower that Zelth's or it's Display ID being higher than Kout's.

Missing Ancient's Creature ID lower than 190219
Zelth Display ID 29238
Rakloo Display ID 29239
Rakloo Creature ID 197623
Kout Creature ID 197625
Missing Ancient's Display ID higher than 89537

[ember rivet]

where was Tenmod located?

now i'm gonna go around looking at IDs for all the ancients i can find

[weak kelp]

he's not a tree, he's stone.

[ember rivet]

damn

[ember rivet]

190219-29238 = 160981 , 197623 - 29239 = 168384 , 196525 - 89537 = 102989 just tried the obvious

[waxen hornet]

If you click the scroll and then the reading glasses, you can actually see where you are going.

[high moth]

interesting...

[haughty root]

has any hunter tried going there with the old transmog for rhok,delar or bow itself to see if it caused any interaction perhaps?

[timid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[shut solstice]

literally me

[noble loom]

I read through some of this thread... did Druids in tree form or tree of life form try approaching this group of trees?

[rich ledge]

no new interactions :( tried both

[rich ledge]

tried out of curiosity- used charm woodland creature on the one chipmunk thats separate from the rest in the outlook and brought it to the trees, but no new dialogue or changes.

[noble loom]

Thanks for trying!

Did starting a cooking fire under any of them do anything?

If they are "menders" what happens if you walk in there with low health?

Or with a poison debuff, magic debuff, and...disease debuff all active? based on the colors

[exotic maple]

Just for testing sake, I went ahead and tried.

Nothing... (I did have my doubts as blizz tends to avoid using unobtainable things for secrets)

For the record, those are the real items, not Xmogs.

[hallow sapphire]

Maybe a riddle about complementary colors, to be figured out via the patterns in CreatureID/ DisplayID?
Like.. green ancient, purple ancient, Orange ancient, standing in a circle.. missing their primary color ancient buddys.. red, blue, yellow, standing between them in the circle

Someone good at math? 😆 lile, to Figure out some (3?) missing creature/ Display ids via the available ones?

[reef gale]

Update: The Revendreth music is "fixed" inside the tower. Does not play anymore.