Primal Invocation Quintessence [SOLVED]

[serene birch]

as far as I know, the 40/40 node is literally useless

[vagrant cypress]

has anyone tried killing a fire/earth/water/air/(order) elemental while in the elemental form?

[serene birch]

yep

both inside of primal storms and outside

I did a full 20 mins in a frost primal storm while a frost elemental

[vagrant cypress]

👍

[static wedge]

OK very good 20/40 and you got it all. Plus with 97/100, I think that really does help the odds increase.

Updated the pin with the relevant learned information. Going to make an educated guess that the Enchanter skill (out of 100) affects the chances of getting the Glimmer & Recipe when DEing the Sophic. Need more data to ensure this, but will stick with it for now.

[half cipher]

My other enchanter is 25/102 (Kul tiran) with 0/40. I copied him to PTR with a Sophic pet in his bags. Each copied version of him gets the Glimmer first time. I need to farm storms on him for the other glimmers before I can reproduce this and test for the recipe though.

[mental arrow]

hold up...so I just have to d/e some sophics? lemme make a couple >.>

100 ench, 40 primal extraction, 35 insight
ok, had all 4 elemental ones before. d/e'd first sophic amalg and got glimmer of order
d/e'd second sophic amalg and got primal invocation extract discovery.

Where'd the idea to d/e the pet come from? that's bizarro...I guess i could scroll up

get a group where everyone's turned into a different elemental? 😛

[sage vapor]

They tried with a groupe of 5 with no conclusive results

(But no one was turned into fire)

Today I'll try to extend the buff up to one hour, it should take a few hours

[tacit cairn]

how can you extend the buff?

[sage vapor]

I use the item, disconnect, come back after an hour and use it again

[tacit cairn]

out of game completely or just switch to an alt

[sage vapor]

Just switching to an alt, as long as the character is disconnected, it doesn't consume the buff

[tacit cairn]

sweet

can the buff be taken into raids/dungs?

or can it be applied in them

[sage vapor]

I haven't seen anything that implies it couldn't

[static wedge]

Buff can be in Raids/Dungeons

Had a couple people try killing Vault bosses w/ it, no luck

Someone ran a +20 mythic with it on, nothing

[upper glade]

But did they time the 20 👀

[static wedge]

Haha not sure!

[tacit cairn]

sweet, so taking damage does not remove it.

Now I really want the video of a mob of giant arcane infused earth elementals pvp'ing at the Cobalt Assembly.

use the provis wax and it's a marshmellow man fest

[serene birch]

yes but the buff only lasts 20 mins so it wasn't on the whole time 😛

[raw kestrel]

I suspect it's not gonna be a key just because those aren't always around

Could be m0

[mental arrow]

tried killing kurog lfr with buff on, no dice. will try on heroic tomorrow

[raw kestrel]

Smth in halls of infusion or smth maybe?

[mental arrow]

i assume someone has tried...but could it be as simple as becoming all the different types of elementals from the consumable gets you the toy?

or just a rare "supreme" elemental from the consumable

[serene birch]

I have gotten

this dopey little shit

3/4 times

[static wedge]

Lol!

[icy rapids]

@serene birch pls rest and recover friend. You've been pushing too hard lately

[serene birch]

guys I found it! the supreme invocation!

[left citrus]

guess the game's tell you to
chill out

[serene birch]

lmao

[left citrus]

👉 😎 👉

[serene birch]

listen okay I'm tryna watch the new madseasonshow video before bed so I'm big chillin

[vagrant cypress]

@tacit cairn it will even remain after you die, so yes you can take damage 😛

[vale mountain]

are you guys trying invocation in different locations?

[vale mountain]

what if you turn into an elemental with primal invocation and someone disenchants you with khadgar's dienchanting rod toy?

[vagrant cypress]

already been tried

[vale mountain]

did they get resonant crystal Kappa

[sage vapor]

I just stacked 1 hour of buff. Nothing happened, but it can still go beyond.

[vagrant cypress]

try 5 hours

[tacit cairn]

that's the marshmellow man

[sage vapor]

I will keep trying as long as numbers go up

[tacit cairn]

when you add time to the buff does it change the elemental you have

[sage vapor]

No it stays the same

[tacit cairn]

are the buffs independent or does it just add time to it

[glacial flame]

It just adds time to it

[sage vapor]

But elemental invocation takes time, so the ultimate invocation obviously requires patience.

[true iron]

my alt is 40/40 but only level 62 and I have DE'd the pet 10 times and nothing -- so you probably need to be high enough level to do storms

slightly useless information, but information nonetheless

[thorn vessel]

I am 30/40 and 100/100 in enchanting and I got the glimmer from the pet but no recipe. But I only have 2/5 glimmers so far (fire and order.)

Glimmer from the pet took multiple tries.

[half cipher]

My level 61, 25/102, 0/40 alt got the glimmer. So I don’t think level 70 is required

[true iron]

Well that is odd.

Wonder what i'm doing wrong

Do you have other glimmers?

[half cipher]

No. The entirety of DF content this character has done was step though portal to Valdrakken, pick up enchanting from the trainer, go to Big Spark Lady to do the 5x bottled essence catch up quest, then levelled enchanting to 25 and DE’d the pet.

However, I had already got the recipe on my main enchanter. Possibly account unlocked?

[tacit cairn]

Are you looking for the recipe or the Glimmer of Order? The Order of Glimmer comes from de'ing the pet, you have to de it 1st. Then you de another one for the extract recipe.

[true iron]

I have de'd the pet about 10 times and got nothing

Gonna pay a dude to power level the alt while i'm working (some madlad genociding gnolls for 5k/level) and see if that changes things

[tacit cairn]

check your bags and make sure you didn't get the order glimmer

ugh, ok, I see now.

[left citrus]

Remember you need all five glimmers DEd before you can get the recipe

[true iron]

Does it not appear in loot text? I will double check

[tacit cairn]

@true iron good luck

[true iron]

Can you get the other glimmers pre 70? You cant loot storm currency and they dont appear on maps

[left citrus]

I don’t know about that, I don’t play alts lol

[true iron]

🙂

We should put a group together and kill dathea while all under the effects of the extraction

[small dew]

I have same issue , got all of 5 glimmers , but unable get recipe from de'd pet

[true iron]

Dathea gets turned into a huge ele by raz. That seems pretty much the "supreme" (raz, primalist) invocation

Could also hold true for kurog. But he doesnt turn into anything

[vagrant cypress]

I think someone already tried that with their guild, having everyone transformed into elementals

[true iron]

Ahh okay. I saw someone killed kurog on lfr and did 5 man content, didnt realize whole raid had been done

I'm recalling the hunter taming tome debacle on Zul in bfa

[sage vapor]

I'm still not seeing a maximum time limit

It's still rising.

[true iron]

keep going

[tacit cairn]

oh dear - 5 hrs is gonna be expensive

[soft mural]

Just wait until he has 5 days

[tacit cairn]

if it takes a 5 day buff to get that toy, blizz can keep it. I have better things to spend my gold on

[sage vapor]

I will start to require financial support if you want me to keep up this long

And if it doesn't work I will start an earth elemental RP, I don't know

[tacit cairn]

provis wax, cobalt assembly, marshmellow man - do it.

[true iron]

then get super jacked on cobalt powers and head over to the pvp arena and crush everyone with King Under the Mountain larp

[static wedge]

I was huge Air Elemental at Cobalt just tanking everything, it was really fun.

Air Elemental animations fit Guardian Druid attacks really well.

[tacit cairn]

did you notice going into cat from does not remove the visual effects of the buff like it does on soooo many other illusions

[static wedge]

Yes, same with Bear Form

Even though I was in Bear Form, I was still the elemental, was super cool

[tacit cairn]

wonder if they forgot about tree form - again

[sharp marsh]

did anyone tried disenchanting the toy

khadagar disenchanting rod

[sage vapor]

How long can this go on... ⛏️

[dusk palm]

How did u Get the buff even?

[sage vapor]

I use the item and I disconnect, then I come back one hour later.

[dusk palm]

anyone even cracked the way to Get the Recipe of Primal Invocation even? 😦

[sharp marsh]

how do we get other glimers?

i have 2 glimmers

[sage vapor]

Yes, look up there : #1057416894635839518 message

[sharp marsh]

tyy

[sage vapor]

You get one per type of elemental invasion

[static wedge]

Yup, see the pinned message.

[dusk palm]

Seen Thanks ❤️

[static wedge]

You know, if this "Supreme Invocation" was invoked by simply using the Primal Invocation item.... should get an entire raid of 40 people to do it all at once. You increase the chances immensely to proc it, even if it is 1%. Do this a handful of times, and someone is bound to get it.

[sage vapor]

I feel like we would've got it by now if it was just a 1% thing

[static wedge]

That's what I'm thinking too

There are lots of us doing it regularly

[tacit cairn]

till a dev realizes you are doing this and 'fixes' it.

[true iron]

Why do you have to dc? Does using additional extracts not extend duration?

[sage vapor]

It has a 1 hour cooldown, that's why

[true iron]

Ahh

I doubt that is the method, then

[sage vapor]

I doubt it as well but we don't have many ideas of where to go

Technically it just requires to connect an alt once in a while and use the item

[true iron]

Yeah but I dont think "dont play the game" is gonna be Blizz's vibe

I will try to get my raid group to all use the item on Thursday when we clear all bosses

Also my m+ team

[tacit cairn]

They made us de a battle pet. Put nothing past them, they are menacing.

[true iron]

The more I think about this the dumber it is

It's like that Chris pratt time travel movie

Just dont think about it

[plush pewter]

Okay so i had a couple of theories i wanted to share, i dont have the resources and connections to actually experiment and try things out with people

Locks have 2 different spells for Ritual of Doom - was thinking maybe 4 different elements summoning the supreme element

The other requires 3 people

The trinket symbol is the same as the consumable that you are all familiar with now, i mention this because the pet symbol being the same as Awakened Order is why i tried to D/E in the first place

maybe connected

The things that make the trinket still drop, i dont have an extra Air to test

Was also looking for an elemental that looked like 'Order' this is the only dude i found but he's mechanical - was thinking maybe MC engi stuff

And also the Make pet bigger / copy pet appearence toys bought with old school pet charms i dont have - used on the Sopic pet

[static wedge]

The Dimmed Primevals - that's a very interesting idea. I think I have a few spread around on my characters from prior to DF launch, when I got the Trinket in the first place

[plush pewter]

Thinking about it i'd actually throw some stock in the summoning method, like Quint = 5 , 5 people summoning, 1 hour cooldown same as the item, having the same spell twice in the skillbook -- just seems odd

Any EU peeps around for a quick test?

[sour steppe]

if you can't get EU people i'd be down to try it on NA

[mental arrow]

that's why I wanted to see if anyone got a group of 5 with all 5 elementals transformed

[plush pewter]

i thought there might be a way to target the elemental with the shoulder illusion stuff, 1st testing unsuccessful, will try again tomorrow with more KP

[half cipher]

I keep coming back to it being interesting that this extract has quality, and how the Quintessence acts like the rank 3 extract. I don't really have the gold or enchanting skill to pump out enough to test it but could the Supreme Invocation just be a discovery chance when crafting rank 3 extracts? Would that make it too "enchanter only" for a toy like this?

[plush pewter]

i've crafted 50 today with no pop, it does say reward on the toy obtain screen

does that mean killing something?

[true iron]

If there is no corresponding achievement then it could be a quest?

[rapid torrent]

I’m around

[tacit cairn]

ok, you only need lvl 25 DF enchanting and as little as 1 point in enchantment to de the pet. What is interesting is that it gave me points in my Classic Enchanting. This toon has only done a few quests after Exiles's Reach and then was boosted. She is skipping all the stuff she can due to my main being lvl 70 and having the alt boosts opened up. Also, I swapped this toon from inscription to enchanting the other day specifically for low enchanting testing. Notice she got the Resonant Crystal but did not get the Glimmer.

[plush pewter]

quest item drop from a buffed kill maybe, i hope its not dirts

[left citrus]

I know that back in Ye Olden Days disenchanting stuff gave enchanting skillups

[true iron]

Wowhead lists "Supreme Invocation" as a spell

Perhaps you need to interact with something while under the effect of the extract, to trigger the spell

[plush pewter]

yeah i remember seeing that, 5 sec cast time right?

[true iron]

Yep

Do many shape changes persist through death?

[left citrus]

It's pretty rare

[shell hornet]

Could it be awarded after having summoned 5 different elemental types / used the item many times? I'm personally not trying anything else really until this is ruled out, it just seems that too many simple/obvious things are not ruled out yet because it is super new

[tacit cairn]

still does, but de'ing the pet only gives Classic, everything else I've de'd has given me DF.

[shell hornet]

There are some bugged items around related to enchanting skill, like a rare purple drop from the summoned worm near sab/wrathion rep gave me classic enchanting skillup too. Probably just an oversight

It also DEs as classic materials

[tacit cairn]

I swapped to enchanting at the DF enchanting trainer. I only chose the training options she gave me.

[glacial flame]

Just for information sake if you're stacking the timer, a parasol or glider cancels it

[tacit cairn]

wonder if that also applies to levitate, slowfall, glide, and flap.

[half cipher]

Has someone with a shaman tried using Ascendance while transformed? Seems unlikely, but.....

[rapid torrent]

Is there a way to see what everyone has tried already?

[soft mural]

I crafted 1000 yesterday, no discovery.

[sour steppe]

do we know if this has actually been done? 5 people using the item at the same time

[rapid torrent]

I’m up for trying the group theory in EU

[mental arrow]

I had a bunch of raid members use it, but we got a couple duplicates

also, it seems like there's different versions of each element?

[tacit cairn]

a group did it yesterday but they didn't get a fire elemental

[static wedge]

Yeah we had 4 out of 5 elementals in the group, missed fire 😦

[rapid torrent]

I’m new here but has anyone tried using it enough times to become all different elements?

[plush pewter]

there's quite alot, different varients of each element

Had ideas about the engi soul trap thing too

[tacit cairn]

I like my idea of 20 elementals stomping on feathers in the slagmire and summoning that freaking ember hoarding phoenix.

[mental arrow]

i'm using it on cooldown to try and do that, but I dunno how many variations there are

[rapid torrent]

2 secrets in one, I like it

[jade kestrel]

Yes I did it with @serene birch yesterday

[sour steppe]

surely it has nothing to do with the kurog achievement while using the invocation right? https://www.wowhead.com/npc=198038/primal-avatar
whatever this is? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=390796/primal-avatar-cosmetic
achieve: https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=16450/the-power-is-mine

[tacit cairn]

wouldn't be the first time.

[rapid torrent]

Good point epic, has anyone tried doing The power is mine while being transformed by the primal invocation?

[pastel ember]

Does anyone have A Collection of Me? It drops from Innumerable Ruination, which looks just like the Sophic Amalgamation, and it creates several copies of yourself. Maybe try using it while you're buffed with Primal Invocation Exctract? https://www.wowhead.com/item=200148/a-collection-of-me

[plush pewter]

Just tried, copy's of the same elemental

[soft mural]

Also tried the experimental anima cell and grew to a large size. No toy

[plush pewter]

Anyone tried atomic re-calibrator before i order 1?

[soft mural]

The one that changes you to a different race? My raid loves that toy and it overrides the elemental appearance

[plush pewter]

ohh dam good shout, was hoping to change elemental

[left citrus]

about to test kurog

full group of eles killed M Kurog, did have a few dead at the end but nothing happened

[true iron]

well it does look fucking badass

so that is something

[tacit cairn]

20 spawn locations in slagmire

[true iron]

killed dathea under the effects of the extraction (just myself); nadda

[left citrus]

same, dying to the cyclone on dathea and then killing her did nothing

[rich burrow]

i wonder if you can zapthrottle someone whos in elemental form?

[soft mural]

tried, not a valid target

[pastel ember]

Did you try in PvP?

[soft mural]

Tried in a duel....I should try in an instance

[tacit cairn]

so to the people who have not been able to get the Glimmer or the Extract to pop - Do you have an enchanter's hat equipped in your journal?

to those who have gotten it - Do you have an enchanter's hat equipped in your journal?

Has anyone gotten the extract on the 1st DE of the pet and if so do you have an enchanter's hat in your journal and did you already have the buff that you get from using enchanting? ie the visual of the hat

[soft mural]

in world pvp training grounds (free for all area), still invalid target

[half cipher]

Just tested this via copying my ‘test template’ enchanter to 10.0.5 PTR twice, and deleting all enchanting equipment on one of them. Got glimmer of order first time for both characters.

[tacit cairn]

ok, so not having the enchanting hat is not what is causing some people to not get the glimmer

[tacit cairn]

did you make sure the one you deleted the enchanting equipment did not have the buff

[half cipher]

Yes. I will re run the test to be sure though

[sage vapor]

We can still go higher

[half cipher]

Confirmed. All profession equipment deleted, relogged, no enchanting buff, glimmer on first DE.

[woeful torrent]

Has anyone tried turning into an elemental and drinking flask of supreme power or killing supreme lord Kazzak as an elemental?

Or even drinking an elemental potion of ultimate power

[sage vapor]

I tried the elemental potion of ultimate power. Did nothing but it looked cool

[glacial flame]

nada with the potion

[woeful torrent]

Ok what about drinking that potion while having the phial of elemental chaos and waiting till the element matches the form you are in

Lol Pepe DH

[sage vapor]

Sure I'll try that, give me a few minutes

[glacial flame]

He's the cutest 😛

[half cipher]

Has anyone talked to Rupert the Gentleman Elemental, as an elemental?

[glacial flame]

Yes, nothing

Even as earth one

[sage vapor]

Did you have the buff that give you a tophat with the earl grey tea?

Maybe he doesn't talk to unclassy commoners...

[glacial flame]

hah

I think I can still snag some

[woeful torrent]

Also there is two achievements that have supreme in the name and they’re pvp I wonder if it could be a warmode thing

[sage vapor]

No results. But I used it on the "Ice" buff while I was a water elemental

[woeful torrent]

Dang thanks for trying that

Now I just need these testing I would just do it myself but I’m not at the computer
-phial of elemental chaos + elemental potion of ultimate power while in invocation
-kill supreme lord kazzak as an invocation
-drink flask of supreme power as invocation

[sage vapor]

I will try to see the night elf who experimented with elementals, back in Nazjatar and create a matching elemental

Flask of Supreme Power seems like a rare potion, I could see it

[woeful torrent]

Yeah recipe is 8mil and each flask is still 600 despite being only level 21

[glacial flame]

The flask did nothing lol ;/

Just did elemental with it, also have the trinket on

[sage vapor]

The nazjatar elemental summoning seems bugged, I couldn't set it to water 😩

[woeful torrent]

Hopefully they wouldn’t do something like defeat the mage tower as an elemental

[tacit cairn]

maybe this is a continuation of hivemind and it's need to be a group that are tuned.

[sage vapor]

Please no

[tacit cairn]

it has to be tested

oh dear, GiGi I Wynn her rp, crafts something, reads a book, crafts something, reads a map, points to Griftah. That is pretty much what we did, craft a pet, de it, go to our spell book and craft the extract.

[sage vapor]

That's some strong confirmation bias

[tacit cairn]

eh, but there is a goat staring at a potato and a light that flashes 144 times.

[proven trellis]

why cant I find any glimmers of x...

been in the raid group for 3 hours

Ive talented into the enchant thing

[muted fable]

yo guys, have you tried used the buff from theses things when transformed into the right elemental ?

https://www.wowhead.com/object=384839/waking-earth

[serene birch]

I’m actually not sure if we have yet

[sage vapor]

Hmm, I starting to think that might not be it... But what if... ⛏️

[sage vapor]

I don't think anyone did

[unreal epoch]

Anyone tried the Algethar teleporter while transformed?

[rich burrow]

nothing changes when you pick up a waking essense as the correct elemental

[sage vapor]

No effect within the throne of the elements

Nothing from pretending to be Ahune as a frost elemental

[sage vapor]

Oh, I got it! 😄

[muted fable]

OOOHHH

GG

How !!!!

[upper glade]

https://tenor.com/view/sipping-tea-sips-drink-suspense-gif-13366464

[sage vapor]

Not sure exactly, but I used it ~20 consecutive times. Maybe you don't need to stack them like I did, maybe you do.

[muted fable]

nice !!

[upper glade]

No other buffs, toys you used prior?

[sage vapor]

Nothing at all. Simply using the extract over and over again.

[muted fable]

You unlocked it when you used the item is that it?

[sage vapor]

Indeed

[muted fable]

hummm how can you stack the buff? the item has a cooldown of 1hour

[sage vapor]

<@&285953105202511872> I got the toy! I'm not 100% certain about what was the trigger, but it seems this is all about using the Primal Invocation Extract a lot of time on the same character. 20 times is my assumption but it's yet to be confirmed. I stacked the buff on one character to obtain 7 consecutive hours of effect, but that might not actually be necessary.

[edgy fulcrum]

lol

well i cant stack the buff

[sage vapor]

To stack it, I simply used it and disconnected right after. You might want to do that on an alt, or assume you don't actually need to stack it like I did.

Also It's possible the lower the quality you use, the slower your progression for the toy increases. I only used gold quality at the end.

[edgy fulcrum]

the quality on this is so wierd, why is there even 3 ranks

[sage vapor]

It changes how long the effect lasts. And since you can only use it once an hour, using only copper quality means you'll take twice as long to obtain the toy

[edgy fulcrum]

wait so the actual toy is basically the same thing as the crafted ones?! lol

[sage vapor]

This is exactly what it is, yes. The appearance is still completely random

I kind of hoped it would turn me into the last elemental I used from the item but that's not how it works 👀

[little turtle]

Primal Invocation Quintessence [SOLVED]

Good work!

Do you have a picture of the toy in your journal by chance? @sage vapor

[sage vapor]

Sure, but only in french

[little turtle]

Ok thanks

[marsh ferry]

can you just buy extracts and spam them or you have to be enchanter and do all the above steps? i wonder

[sage vapor]

I'm not an enchanter.

[opal lintel]

so spam item off cd once an hr for 20 hrs?

[sage vapor]

Exactly. As I said I don't know if you need to actually stack it. But if you do, do it with an alt.

[edgy fulcrum]

did u use all ranks ?

after one another

[sage vapor]

I only used silver & gold ranks. I imagine only the effect duration matters.

[vale mountain]

you cant sell the toy right?

[tacit cairn]

how did you finally get your elemental to change?

[sage vapor]

No, it's bind on Pickup, no business possible there except on selling extracts

[sage vapor]

It stayed the same. The ice and water element were just on another character, dedicated to test other theories

[tacit cairn]

so it triggered when you did your 20th invocation?

[sage vapor]

Yes, which was around 7 hours of stacked effects

[tacit cairn]

how did you get 7 hrs from 20 10min buffs? of does the higher the quality the longer the buff?

[sage vapor]

I used an alt which I only connected to use the Primal Invocation Extract, then I disconnected, which allowed to preserve the aura.

[tacit cairn]

the 3 star gold one I just did gave me a 20min buff, the 1 star I did the other day only gave a 10 min buff (don't know if gold)

[sage vapor]

Yes that's how it works. 10 - 15 - 20 depending on the quality

I imagine this could work with ~40 low quality extracts, but it would take twice as long in order to farm the toy

[upper glade]

Let's see if someone can replicate it as well

[tacit cairn]

60mins x 7 (hrs) is 420mins. if you only did 20 invocations then something changed the buff timer since 20 invocations is only 200 mins

[sage vapor]

No, 20 invocations is 400 minutes. I used gold quality 😅

[tacit cairn]

ugh, was doing math on cd

[edgy fulcrum]

so the rank1 is completly worthless really.. why does it even exist

[sage vapor]

Ideally we would need someone who replicates my technique using other qualities, and someone who just use the item 20 times without stacking it.

[tacit cairn]

so if the max buff is 20mins that's 3 invocations per hour x 7 hrs is 21 invocations. That sounds about right for blizz.

[upper glade]

Exactly, so until we can replicate it at least once and we consistently know how to get it, I wouldn't call it solved just yet :x

[sage vapor]

That's a common theme of many profession objects from this expansion 👀

[sage vapor]

I agree, but considering I was always doing the same thing with this character, we can safely assume the number of uses was the trigger

[edgy fulcrum]

it would be very strange for blizzard to rely on a strange disconnect to keep the buff.

i think it is just RNG, use the extract and u will get the toy..

[tacit cairn]

would force players to do this on an alt

[sage vapor]

I agree, this is why I imagine this is just about using it X amount of times.

If it was RNG it would have been found way earlier

[tacit cairn]

@sage vapor I wonder if the game was registering the elemental you should have gotten if you didn't have an existing form.

[sage vapor]

I don't think so

[edgy fulcrum]

ohh, how many different elemental looks is there? did u look like all of them?

[sage vapor]

I certainly didn't, as there are 37 of them

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=197477/primal-invocation#models

[icy rapids]

@sage vapor well done!

[muted fable]

Maybe you have to transform to the 5 differents elements to get the toy

[queen elk]

Would explain the Quint in quintessence

[edgy fulcrum]

but it is 6 different appearances

[muted fable]

Oh I thought there were 5 different elementals, so yeah maybe you have to transform to the 6

[tacit cairn]

it's 37 different appearances

[edgy fulcrum]

yeah but 6 different elemental types

[rigid jewel]

no, because if u use the item with the buff on you dont change forms

[mossy star]

so this is complete now? The pin still makes it seem like there is some question...?

[tacit cairn]

she stayed the same elemental the entire time she was stacking the buff

[tacit cairn]

don't know if it's stacking the buff up to 7 hrs or just using the extract 20 times

[raw kestrel]

Gz @sage vapor

[mossy star]

guess I need to play around with this to fully understand it

[edgy fulcrum]

it is not 100% complete i think, i mean it has been found but it is not really sure what is required

[tacit cairn]

she only used gold extracts, it may be you have to use a 3 star extract so many times, but it may happen using more of lower quality, testing needs to be done on all the qualities

[rigid jewel]

i'll be able to confirm on my hunter in about 5 hours, i started stacking it last night

[edgy fulcrum]

i cant imagine blizz would require that as strategy, to use something and disconnect and not actually play the character...

[queen elk]

I doubt they would make us use disconnect like that to get the toy ... or I hope they wouldn't do that

[tacit cairn]

they made us disenchant a battle pet

[edgy fulcrum]

that is not the same thing

[tacit cairn]

would also force using an alt

[sharp marsh]

So 7hrs to get it? We can just buy from AH?

[muted fable]

inb4 it's just random when you use the extract

[rigid jewel]

not 7 hrs, the buff last 20 mins, on a 1 hour cd, so you'd have to use it 3 times for 1 hour, so about 21 hours

[tacit cairn]

the extract yes, if you are an enchanter and want the recipe you have to make the pet or place a crafting order, you can't de a caged one

[buoyant shuttle]

I purchased 20 on an alt that has not used any before and does not have enchanting. I don’t plan on stacking the buff. Will post the results in around 24 hours. Thanks everyone who made the essences affordable!

[glacial flame]

I'm so mad at my parasol canceling my stack haha

[static wedge]

Welcome 😄 Wicedin and I purposely tanked the Q3 prices. I'll keep tanking it until we get a definite method how to do this. 20x honestly sounds like the right thing.

[edgy fulcrum]

i have sold hundreds now 😄

[static wedge]

Are you on EU Bacon?

[vagrant cypress]

more likely that you need to use it 20 times than coming up to a certain amount of minutes

[static wedge]

I fully believe this is the trick Potato.

I betcha it's 20. Nice round number, and seems like Blizz to set it to that.

I will update my pin when we confirm the 20x number. Well done @sage vapor for the patience in testing, and determination to try the long-duration buff.

[static wedge]

Ah EU, OK. That explains 🙂 They haven't been selling as fast on US.

Sales will pickup now when we get the number down.

[edgy fulcrum]

ur prices are so low 😮 it is 1500-2000 each here

[static wedge]

Yeah we purposely set them to 1k for testing.

Wicedin and I did. We put up a thousand of them at 1k each

[edgy fulcrum]

i have 250k sales in mailbox waiting

[static wedge]

Haha! Yeah I just barely covered cost, maybe a tiny loss. When it's fully confirmed at 20x, we'll raise the prices a bit.

I'm going to post a bunch more on US at 1k if anyone wants more to test the 20x [working] theory.

[tacit cairn]

if it's only 20 times we should start seeing multiple testers that were not stacking it start getting the toy by mid-day (US time)

[static wedge]

I would probably have mine tonight. I didn't use it enough, maybe 8 times so far.

[left citrus]

Nice job Allifeur!

[jade kestrel]

I will work on confirming if 20 is correct for the 3Star ones as I only bought 3 star ones and had 24 to start with for other testing only used 5 to this point will work on it today and tomorrow when I am around my computer to test if I get toy with 4 left then we can confirm 20 is the number. Never stacked duration on this guy. Also dont have recipe yet for the invocations or the last Glimmer of Order so I will hold off to confirm if its possible without them if not already confirmed.

[static wedge]

Would be cool to test the Q1 and Q2 versions. I honestly think any quality level will count, just # of uses that matters. But time will tell.

But yeah, Nardaa, I'm the same - only have Q3 because I've been crafting guaranteed Q3s the whole time.

[jade kestrel]

you have the craft tho i dont so might change thing s

[static wedge]

I bet it will work for everyone. No need to have the craft.

Use 20x of any quality, get toy, no need to be Enchanter. That's what I think will happen. We shall see.

[sage vapor]

The 20x of the lower quality isn't proven. What is certain is that you don't need to be an enchanter, as I'm not.

[static wedge]

Right, needs to be tested 🙂

[tacit cairn]

are you positive you only used 20, cause the math does not work to get a 7 hr buff from 20, it's 21 to get a 7 hr buff
20 min max buff is 3 buffs to get 1 hr (60min) buff, so a 7 hr buff takes 3 - 20min buffs an hour 7 times 3x7=21

[sage vapor]

No I'm not certain, I wasn't counting exactly.

[tacit cairn]

you definitely had a 7 hr buff, so that is a minimum of 21

[sage vapor]

But 20x20 made the more sense to me, with 400 minutes of buff. Maybe it's a bit more, maybe a bit less. It'll be clear with more people doing it

[fickle rapids]

how do you stack the buff?

[tacit cairn]

ok, this is where the confusion is, you only had 6 hrs, not 7 hrs.

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[limpid oracle]

not gonna lie disconnecting to preserve the buff sounds like something that would not be encouraged

[plush pewter]

maybe the Alc trinket or the pcoket thing (from the soup event) extends it

[limpid oracle]

That would be so nasty… I love it 🤣

[jade kestrel]

You use item then just log off keeps buff then you log on an hour later use it again

[opal lintel]

it doesnt

i got it on

[soft mural]

Yes

[jade kestrel]

Nothing special

[woeful torrent]

If you use the item while in elemental without logging off does it change your form or just extend the time?

[jade kestrel]

Extends it

[woeful torrent]

So the real answer is probably just being in the form for a certain amount of in game time consecutively

[tacit cairn]

can a lvl 1 one use the extract?

[woeful torrent]

No need to log out and cheese just reapply when you get low

[plush pewter]

1 hr cd

[tacit cairn]

can't buff max is 20 mins, cd on item is 1 hr.

[soft mural]

1hr CD on the item, 20min duration

[plush pewter]

does raid reset, reset the cd?

[jade kestrel]

CD Timer will count down when logged off buff duration will not

[verbal plover]

arena skirmish can reset cds of stuff

[woeful torrent]

Oh what about m+ start that usually resets 1 hr CDs

[limpid oracle]

yea but that would've removed the buff as well I think

[verbal plover]

if you actually need to keep it

[woeful torrent]

Nah that’s why DH and other can do things like meta as the key is put in

[kindred crane]

starting an m+ doesn't reset the cd of extracts

[limpid oracle]

maybe it would be worth checking if it's different in ptr? although iirc only the old one is up anyway. But yay, infinite tries!

[kindred crane]

arena skirmish also didn't reset the cd

[sage vapor]

Imagine if this is totally not required and I just started a bad practice 🥴

[limpid oracle]

[woeful torrent]

You say you only used about 20 right?

[sage vapor]

Yes, on the same character.

And some of them were silver quality

[woeful torrent]

But still I feel like there are others here that have used about that much so either it’s RNG or it had something to do with your overall buff timer getting that high

[serene birch]

congrats dude!

[sage vapor]

Maybe, but was it on the same character though?

[serene birch]

I've only used 4-5, we only just discovered how to get the crafted item a couple days ago so unless people were spamming them on CD like allifeur I don't think it's likely they used 20

allifeur has been doing it more or less on CD since we figured it out

[woeful torrent]

Not sure but I’ve got 30 to test when I get home I’ll throw my character on ptr and just start using them

[static wedge]

And with Q2 which is very interesting.

[serene birch]

oh if it was with q2 you used way more than 20

4 per hour at 15 mins each * 7-8 hours (if duration ticked down in between logins) that's 28-32 extracts

[static wedge]

Can you reset CDs on items on PTR?

[woeful torrent]

Not sure I’m not home and won’t be for the next 9 hrs or so

[icy rapids]

@sage vapor how are you feeling

[sage vapor]

Very well, as I was starting to believe it would require 6 more hours of buff at least

[woeful torrent]

@sage vapor we’re you standing in one place and logging out and only logging back in to extend the buff or were you doing activities and if you were doing activities did you notice the moment you got the toy or did it reward it right when you consumed another

[serene birch]

man I'm so hyped, I'm really glad we were able to get this figured out. I didn't actually end up doing much but I feel like I was a part of it still and that's really satisfying

[sage vapor]

I wasn't doing much on that character, except buying more extracts at the stormwind auction house.
I got the toy when I consumed the last item

[woeful torrent]

We haven’t had this reproduced right? Not to shut it down but it sounds like people are calling it complete without confirming the actual actions?

That being said congrats for sure @sage vapor

[sage vapor]

Yes that was a bit premature, but that is a strong enough lead for it not to hold too much mystery

Now it's about figuring out the exact numbers

[tacit cairn]

Maybe the mod needs to change it to semi-solved

[tacit cairn]

That's what I was thinking and trying to pinpoint how many she actually used. I thought she used all gold for 20 min buff. If she used silver and actually ended up using 37 of them, the game may have logged the forms she should have gotten if she wasn't already an elemental.

but that's gonna be one expensive toy if you have to use it that many times.

[static wedge]

@woeful torrent FYI - you can't reset CDs on PTR

Just checked.

[woeful torrent]

Yeah but if it is just using the item gets the toy the only people that care about the toy will already be using the item to change their look

[woeful torrent]

Gotcha

[woeful torrent]

Regardless still better to first check if you can get it on PTR after using a bunch than using your live items just to test

[static wedge]

Not a bad idea Fatal.

I just started using one on an alt that hasn't use it yet on PTR.

[edgy fulcrum]

every time i use one i get a different look

[static wedge]

So I can keep count, Q3 quality I'm using.

[static wedge]

I keep getting Mr. Earth 😭

But I think at this point I have turned into all 5.

But Earth likes showing up all the time.

[limpid oracle]

what are the current storms in na?

[static wedge]

Air / Fire

[limpid oracle]

hmm okay

[static wedge]

Only 4 mins left though.

So check back in an hour 😄

[woeful torrent]

What’s the current Storm’s Fury

[limpid oracle]

could a dragonriding race reset the duration or cd 🤔

[soft mural]

Can confirm Buff duration is not required.

29m buff and I just added it while killing gruffy. Got the toy immediately after application

[limpid oracle]

[kindred crane]

can you remember how many extracts did you use?

[serene birch]

any idea how many times you'd used the ex- yeah

[supple mauve]

im trying to wrap my head around this for a better explanation how-to

[violet merlin]

[soft mural]

No, but definitely as much as Allifeur. I've been using it as much as possible since crafting it monday afternoon (man the days fly...you guys showed me on monday)

[sage vapor]

Explanation : Just use the item a lot and you'll get it

[soft mural]

I meant to say monday...edited my post

[serene birch]

Okay the TL;DR:

In order to get the Primal Invocation Quintessence, you have to use enough Primal Invocation Extracts to hit a total of 360mins of buff time. For example, you can use 18 of the rank 3 Extracts as those give 20 minutes each for 20*18 = 360 total minutes. Use this information to determine what is the cheapest rank for you to get the toy, or alternatively if you're willing to pay the premium then know that rank 3 will get you the toy in fewer uses.

In order to get the Primal Invocation Extract recipe as an Enchanter, you have to acquire all of the Glimmers of Insight. To do this, you need 10 points in Insight of the Blue and the Primal Extraction tree unlocked (0 points need to be invested). Then, you farm the 4 Elemental Glimmers from primal storms (Glimmer of Fire, Earth, Air, Frost). To get the Glimmer of Order, you have to either craft a Sophic Amalgamation pet, or have one work ordered for you. Then disenchant the pet to receive the Glimmer of Order. To get the recipe once you’ve obtained and disenchanted all 5 glimmers, any activity that would normally give you a glimmer can proc the recipe discovery. That means you can either farm primal storms or disenchant more Sophic Amalgamations and eventually you will get the Primal Invocation Extract recipe.

Alternatively, if you're not an enchanter, you can buy the Primal Invocation Extracts off the Auction House.

@supple mauve

[supple mauve]

passively? while killing things?

[serene birch]

passively works, Allifeur got it while using them in valdrakken

[supple mauve]

interesting

[sage vapor]

It was in Stormwind actualy, but yeah, it doesn't matter. You just need to use it a lot.

[serene birch]

oh yeah, my b

[soft mural]

Yep

[supple mauve]

im going to pin this for now but when we can nail down a range of uses that would be good

[sage vapor]

Approximately 20 times, supposedly on the same character

[supple mauve]

ty

[woeful torrent]

Tane is also currently testing on PTR with someone who hasn’t used the item but if it’s 20 that info won’t be available for at minimum 20 hrs

[sage vapor]

We need to define if the extract quality matters

[woeful torrent]

And tane is doing it with all Q3

[glacial flame]

If no one has started, and uses Rarity, you can set it up to show attempts made

200636 is the toy, 200634 is the extract

[edgy fulcrum]

the SL anima cell "impressive size" and this invocation is fun :p

[left citrus]

@supple mauve if you’re looking for more topics now that we’ve solved quite a few, we’re still missing two rares for the Adventurer of the Azure Span achievement, Rusthide and Swagraal the Swollen
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=193167/swagraal-the-swollen#comments
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=193693/rusthide#

[half cipher]

I have been using nothing but T2 on my character, so will be able to confirm T2 quality within a day

[mossy star]

I just put T1 at cost of craft and started using them myself on NA Laughing-Skull

899g

[static wedge]

Ty Aary for that

[mossy star]

I can make more if people want to test R1 with me for count of how long. I wonder if quality affects how many you need to use. On average at least.

[edgy fulcrum]

im also using R2 since i can only craft that

[static wedge]

Well we are testing all Qs now

Aary, Q1 - Bacon Q2 - Myself (and others) Q3

Aary if you can just do Q1 only, please do, just for more information

[mossy star]

Totally. Only Q1 on this toon

[static wedge]

I am testing on Live and PTR w/ Q3. Will take me a day to get results. Maybe less on my Live main, as he already used it many times. Unfortunately I didn't track the exact uses.

On PTR I'm tracking usage and elemental turned into

[mossy star]

Man, Q1 makes a dirty Ele 😄

[static wedge]

Yep, one of the water ones.

There are ~37 possibilities to turn into, recolors of each Ele

[limpid oracle]

This is gonna be lovely during Depth Charge WQ (which is up now)

Even more in the PvP phase

[edgy fulcrum]

i think that others see your name and hp bar etc

[jade kestrel]

yeah but with how quick the eles there die people are just looking for any water ele... lol it will be funny AF i bet

just had my raid ask why i was a Rock Dude... told them the itme they were all thinking it was amazing!

there will be interest in the item once its out there for just the item itself but also the toy. wonder if the item and toy will share CD? @sage vapor can you confirm if it does?

[sage vapor]

It does, yes

It's exactly the same thing as the object

[edgy fulcrum]

wich is so stupid, but it it what it is..

[tacit cairn]

when you use the item the toy in your journal gets the cd too

[edgy fulcrum]

detoxied blight grenade and anima impressive size 🙂

[vagrant cypress]

quint/5, 20*5% = 100%

[jade kestrel]

That honestly could be it but Quintessence has no 5 in the meaning if you look it up its more like Quintessential not 5...Something.

[tacit cairn]

quintessence - origin - medieval latin (quinta essentia or 5th essence)

[jade kestrel]

The one I found had that listed also but another that was not related to 5th or 5 but rather just Essential or to that effect.

quin·tes·sence
[ˌkwinˈtesəns]
NOUN
the most perfect or typical example of a quality or class:
thats the one i found. also that Supreme can mean a Rich Cream Sauce...

[tacit cairn]

Etymology of words can be tricky.

but if you want to dig deep into the origin of the word, the PIE root is *penkwe- 'five'
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=quintessence&ref=searchbar_searchhint

[glacial flame]

Can confirm on my 20th attempt I did get the toy

er not attempt but use

[mossy star]

we know about the toy and we still dissecting words? Never change secret finders 😄

[mossy star]

Which Rank?

[glacial flame]

I did all 3* because I made like 300 of em lol

[mossy star]

well, 15 min buff x 20 = 300, so this is a reference to Spartan King Leonidas and his quintessential army that stood in the gap at Thermopolyae

[glacial flame]

20 minute buff for 3*

[mossy star]

^

oh is it 20 for 3? nice

[tacit cairn]

so that goes back to what @vagrant cypress said that sparked the etymology lesson
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[mossy star]

Not sure what spud is saying there...just that 20 uses, each is 5% so 100% is what we expect?

[vagrant cypress]

if you see it as an invisible bar that you need to fill to 100% to get your reward

[mossy star]

ok. Sure.

[serene birch]

I'll tentatively edit the pin to say 20 uses but if we can get a confirmation that'd be big

[jade kestrel]

working on it at 9 so far.... work has been pulling me away today.

with other commitments today likely will happen tomorrow others will have it before then I am guessing

[mossy star]

gonna be tomorrow night before I can do all 20 uses of R1

sleep and all that human stuff

im at 4 now in a minute

[silent yoke]

i think this mostly is due to it would be unavailable to obtain, but could be wrong.

[woeful torrent]

I’m only at 4 will probably be behind you. I’m also waiting for the buff to fall off to see if that changes anything

[crimson trail]

my god my wife was already trying this before yall posted this but we had to sleep

[mossy star]

Does Combat cancel the buff?

[static wedge]

No

It persists in combat, using mounts (you don't show up as elemental on the mount though), and through death even

But the Engineering Toy removes it (or at least overwrites it).

[glacial flame]

A parasol used, as well as a glider, cancel the buff

[glacial flame]

I mentioned earlier I got it at 20, I had been stacking all day yesterday, however my parasol canceled the buff. I got it on my 20th try today

I was just using it per hour on my main, not stacking, but stacking on my alt to be sure if a stack was needed. But I got it on my main

[silent yoke]

i got order on 1st DE with 10 -> 0

[tacit cairn]

Which tab

Enchanting lvl?

[silent yoke]

79+6

but im not really getting any glimmer drops, got glimmer of order on first DE tho

[tacit cairn]

is Glimmer of Order the only glimmer you've de'd?

[silent yoke]

yes

[tacit cairn]

@left citrus seems to be the lowest in enchanting so far to see the Glimmer of Order

[silent yoke]

weird im not finding any other glimmers though

just need to keep farming I guess.

Maybe more points would increase it? Just pure speculation.

[left citrus]

It took me 5-10 minutes at each storm to get the glimmers, with only 10/0 specced

[mossy star]

If you've already farmed the storms you might have them. I already did and De'd them for the knowledge as they tell you too 🙂

[silent yoke]

been at it for hours.

[silent yoke]

Actually I recently just specced into the tree and havnt done them before

did check with the script which verifies it.

[tacit cairn]

now you can be our test subject to see if you can get the essence without the other Glimmers

[silent yoke]

Sure im up for some testing 🙂

[tacit cairn]

start putting in crafting orders for the pet and de it

I'm testing the lowest enchanting lvl to get the Glimmer, so far I have 1 in the 1st tab and enchanating 27, will test again at 30, 35, and then at 35 with 1 in the second tab... etc

[silent yoke]

I did that with the first pet which gave me the glimmer of order, have another one sitting ready in the mailbox

[tacit cairn]

yes and de'ing another one should get you the essence, then you use the essence presumably 20 times to get the toy

[silent yoke]

hmm

just got the glimmer of air really fast

was farming cobalt frost for a long time (hours) and did not get a drop, shifted area to waking shore and got it in minutes.

I can try DE the pet and see, yet to DE any other glimmer.

I somewhat question the droprate at cobalt assembly now.

um seriously, went to cobalt again, and got the glimmer of frost on my 1st kill.

I dont see any real valid reason for this tbh.

The only difference I know is that I disenchanted the glimmer of order while farming the glimmer of frost at cobalt, then zoned as I went to waking shores to see if glimmer of air dropped, which it did instantaneously.

[half cipher]

might just be luck. I had already DE'd glimmer of order before I started farming the other glimmers on my main enchanter, and it took forever before they started dropping for me.

[mossy star]

Highest drop chance is off elites. Maybe the mobs you were killing are not elite and had a super low rate.

[static wedge]

Yep we confirmed this yesterday/day before, you just need 10/0 to get ALL Glimmers. Already known... so @silent yoke you'll get all the Glimmers don't worry.

You can see our conversations from a couple days ago where we tested this out.

You just need Primal Extraction sub-spec unlocked, with 0 points in it, and that's it 🙂

Same goes for Recipe. But it's very RNG based. Aerinis was the one who did the testing at 10 Insight / 0 Primal. Aerinis got all glimmers and the recipe with that setup.

Aerinis got lucky, and hit both on two Crafting Order Sophic Amalgamations

[tacit cairn]

I was here, pointing out they had no other glimmers and they were only enchanting 79.

[static wedge]

Ah right on, sorry - forgot about testing the Enchanter skill, which you were working on right?

[tacit cairn]

yes

[verbal plover]

I tried on the tournament realm with 25 skill and just unlocking the trait and got it first try

[silent yoke]

Yeah im only missing 2 glimmers rn, fire and earth. Got order on my first DE(10insight/0primal), so was also lucky.

Was just odd that I farmed for hours for the frost, zoned, then found glimmers first kills i made at both storms that were up.

[tacit cairn]

ok, so up to lvl 40 with enchanting and no Glimmer. I have 1 point in Enchantment, can't get Insight till enchanting is lvl 50. waiting on my pet craft request

[mossy star]

EU or US

[silent yoke]

3rd glimmer on first kill aswell. Cant explain why the first one didnt drop for hours on end.

[tacit cairn]

US

[silent yoke]

luckily enchanting is probably the easiest crafting profession to lvl up.

[silent yoke]

make a few just incase, you need atleast 2 afaik.

[tacit cairn]

yeah, I know but I'm only ordering 1 at a time since we don't know when it will pop and I don't want extra's, my main already has 2 of the pets done and she can actually make the pet. This is an alt I rolled for research.

[silent yoke]

oh gotcha

[soft mural]

https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/113ez8x/primal_invocation_quintessence_found/?

Great work everyone and GL on the next secret discovery.

[verbal plover]

What are you testing exactly?

[tacit cairn]

lowest possible enchanting to get Glimmer of Order

[verbal plover]

that would be 25 since it's the lowest you can have in order to unlock specs

[mossy star]

If you are talking about doing it yourself all the way, yes, because I assume you are saying shed need to craft the Sophic and DE it herself. I think shes ordering it and DEing it to test the lowest possible without crafting the sophic herself.

[tacit cairn]

also testing to see if insight has to be unlocked and so far it appears so.

[rich burrow]

Wait so blizzard really expected people to just figure out you needed to abuse the buff/cooldown system for hours on end to get an item that does the exact same thing as the consumable lol?

[left citrus]

Nah, you just need to use it 20 times

not abuse required

[rich burrow]

man

guess its fortunate i bought exactly 20

[woeful torrent]

20 is still not entirely confirmed unless I missed something

[tacit cairn]

20 is pretty much confirmed for the toy

you can see the Eternal Black Diamond on him

[edgy fulcrum]

need to spread the word about this toy so i can sell more primal :p

[steady flume]

hello ,do i have to buy 20x r1/2/3 or i can buy 1 only and use it 20 times? thanks

[edgy fulcrum]

20x

what we know now

[steady flume]

ok thanks

[upper glade]

Well I've been extremely unlucky with getting the other elemental glimmers T-T

[marsh ferry]

got mine after 18x rank3s used on an alt who was logging in just for that reason

[rigid jewel]

Now we know it's just a chance to drop, blizzard secret buff drop chance probably

[mossy star]

I am at 10 R1s. I'll be hitting em on the hour as I can with work 🙂

[vagrant cypress]

@marsh ferry did you use any on another character before that? could be tracked account wide if you did 2 previously

[rigid jewel]

I dont think its account wide, cause I've bought over 40 and used it on my 12 alts I had

[verbal plover]

No I mean getting to 10 in Insight of the Blue and unlocking Primal Extraction, ordering a pet and then disenchanting it, you can do that at 25 and get the glimmer

[tacit cairn]

10 in Insight is not required, it's been tested and people have gotten it with only unlocking Insight and not putting knowledge there.

atm I'm at enchanting 50, with 2 enchantment - insight unlocked - rods, runes locked and still no Glimmer. I am going to suspect that the minimum is going to be lvl 50 enchanting lvl 20 - unlocked - ??

[verbal plover]

I disenchanted 20 pets with only insight unlocked and no glimmer

As soon as extraction was unlocked I got the glimmer

[tacit cairn]

ok, thanks,

@verbal plover this testing is on an alt that switched to enchanting to test this. so I have a blank slate on the knowledge tree and on an alt I don't care if the tree gets messed up.

[verbal plover]

Yeah I tested it on a character that had nothing as well, only skilled it to 25 and then put knowledge in Insight and then unlocking primal extraction

[tacit cairn]

cool, ok, so that's great, cause I'm putting knowledge in Enchantment to see where it pops at since we know it will pop with only insight unlocked as the secondary

[verbal plover]

I tried several stages as I was unlocking insight

With disenchanting the pet

[tacit cairn]

yeah, that's what I'm doing too. tested lvl 25 enchanting, then lvl 30, 40, at lvl 50 with and without Insight unlocked since I couldn't unlock insight until lvl 50 enchanting after putting 1 point in enchantment

[verbal plover]

I will get to 25 enchanting, unlock insight and disenchant 100 pets and see if I get it

[tacit cairn]

now I'm testing after I put knowledge points in enchantment but I have to also farm me some mats and gold

[limpid oracle]

PTR is such a life saver for that. ❤️

[mossy star]

I just realized the unstable elemental confluence heirloom has the same pic as the extract.

[verbal plover]

Alright, I got the Glimmer with 1 skill in enchanting

It's 100% just unlocking Primal Extraction

Whoever said they got it with only Insight of the Blue must have been confused

[limpid oracle]

The components still can be obtained even when you've got it. Same as in prepatch, though.

[icy rapids]

20 uses!

all r3 extracts

[verbal plover]

https://streamable.com/00k0dm

[mossy star]

On this, I was also noticing the cast spell for the extract is the same as the animation for when the neck procs.

[static wedge]

OK! This is really great data, thanks Xirev.

So in most "real world" cases, it's going to be what we suspected. 25 Skill in Enchanting, 10 Insight, 0 Primal Extraction. The standard minimum case.

Most people won't drop Enchanting after allocating KP, and then pick it back up.

[plush pewter]

Got mine today, i would say around 20 seems accurate didnt track and used on multiple toons. My toy did proc from reapplying tho dont know if thats significant

[tacit cairn]

so you lvl'd classic enchanting to lvl 25, then lvl'd DF enchanting to lvl 25

[verbal plover]

classic enchanting was only from disenchanting the pets

[tacit cairn]

why did you unlearn?

[verbal plover]

I just unlearned the professions to show that skill doesn't matter

every single character that I've tried on now gets the glimmer immediately after learning primal extraction

[tacit cairn]

but the toon in that video never got it before you unlearned

[verbal plover]

disenchanting 49 pets and not getting it with only Insight of the Blue and getting it 5 times in a row with Primal Extraction is just too implausible that it can be ruled out that it was only chance

Never got what?

[tacit cairn]

what were you trying to get?

[verbal plover]

The video is comparing disenchanting the pet with 1 skill with Insight of the Blue vs disenchanting the pet with 1 skill with Primal Extraction

49 disenchants with insight of the blue = no glimmer

1 disenchant with Primal Extraction = glimmer

same skill at 1

I had to reach 15 skill in order to use the item that grants knowledge points

so I could put it into extraction

Why I left 1 pet for Primal Extraction is because I knew that I only needed one more in order to get the Glimmer

I am confident that this is the requirement

[tacit cairn]

nice

[icy rapids]

@verbal plover well done

[fickle rapids]

do we know yet if we can get the toy using 20x q1 / q2 extracts ?

[opal lintel]

testing out 20x r2s atm

[sage vapor]

Then it means we have to reach 360 minutes of effects.

This would mean that depending on the extract quality, it would require:

18 gold
OR 24 silver
OR 36 copper

Edit : Doesn't seem to be the case after a few testings

[sage vapor]

I used a mix of both, so yes.

[tacit cairn]

Lol, so a full circle.

[sage vapor]

Yes, it literally comes full circle

[mossy star]

I'm on 11 of R1

[soft mural]

Best way to sell more primal is for wowhead to do an article

[edgy fulcrum]

sadly undercutters exist and have made it almost not profitable at all

[tacit cairn]

bless the undercutters - it's all for research

[static wedge]

Hi, NA undercutter here! 👋 Actually, we (Wicedin & myself) purposely put up 1200x Q3 extracts to 1k for testing purposes (before we figured out the toy). There were zero Q3's listed on the AH at that time. We will eventually pull our stock and attempt to raise prices if possible in the near future. But for now, we keep it close to cost.

Believe me, the Goblin in me doesn't like it - we hope we can change it before WoW Head puts an article out, lol

(if we haven't cemented the price too hard, oops!)

[plush pewter]

I keep thinking about how rich i would be if i sat on it 😭

could i get royalty payments from the Goblins 🙂

[static wedge]

We would have figured it out eventually. The knowledge was out there, it was just a matter of time.... WoW Secrets people are insanely persistent, lol

[icy rapids]

yep

[pastel ember]

I mean, the real value now comes from sharing that the Primal Invocation Extract exists and that you need to use it 20x to get the toy. We've got plenty of supply, just need the demand to spike, likely when a YouTuber shares it 👀

All my guildies are so into being an elemental

[serene birch]

yeah I think once manthieus or wowhead or someone like that spreads it the demand will spike a lot

[left citrus]

Legit when I made my whole raid use it they were like “whoooaoaoaoa this is so cool”

[serene birch]

that said it's 20k at cost to get the toy since you need 20 of them and like

that's rough

my guild is about to do dathea tonight maybe I'll get them all to be elementals fighting her 😛

[rigid jewel]

its going to be nerfed to disappear on combat in 10.0.7

[buoyant shuttle]

For more data: I had an alt without Enchanting purchase 20 r3 extracts. On the 18th use she got the toy. I never used one while having an existing buff.

Also, I never used any by other characters on this account. Those were my first 18 used

[violet merlin]

Is everyone just logging in every hour to use their extract or is there a faster way?

[tacit cairn]

blizz detected FUN

[tacit cairn]

a way to cancel the cd has not been found, so it's once an hour

[violet merlin]

Well I'm at 5 rank 3 extracts atm. Going to be a long wait.

Should have done it on an alt I didn't want to play 😂

[tacit cairn]

I'm doing it on my main while I lvl an alt.

[toxic mica]

I hit 19 or 20 mostly rank 1 with some rank 2 and didn't get it yet, so the 360minute theory might hold

[serene birch]

oh wow they did bugfix the elemental buffs giving skill

until you're 40/40 now

[verbal plover]

better to do it on a character you're playing frequently so you can use the item off cooldown

[rigid jewel]

someone got it at 39 mins, u dont have to actually stack it continuously

[buoyant shuttle]

I did not stack at all. As soon as I used the item each time I removed the buff and still got it after 18 r3 uses

Maybe different ranks give different credit towards 100%. Ie. R3 gives 5.6% per use while r1 only gives 4.6%. So you would need to use 22 r1 to get the toy

[dire fractal]

That's a interesting theory

[dire fractal]

Using that theory we could mix R3/R2/R1 to achive the 100%

[mossy star]

just hit 19 on R1, in 40 mins I will have the 20 answer 😄

[mossy star]

Its pretty easy if you are consistent on world content, gathering, or general other activities. WQ give 500-600, including dragon riding. Couple weeks casually 🙂

[static wedge]

Got the toy around 18-20 uses of Q3. I wasn't tracking it exactly, but sure seems to be the magic number give or take a few. I always cancelled the buff and reused it each time.

[mossy star]

Welp, 20 isnt the magic number on R1 😩

[tacit cairn]

that's good, it shouldn't be the magic number if the bar we are filling is 360 mins

[mossy star]

well, good for all the people that can craft R3 extracts 😛

[tacit cairn]

it won't make no difference when people start buying the essences, the lvl 1's will be cheaper than the lvl 3's and people will be welp, it's just 1 more hour.

[sage vapor]

A friend of mine got it after 20 Silver & 4 Gold

So we actually need a bit more than 360 minutes of buff. The value is between 365 and 380.

(Anyway don't hesitate to share how many you used, as some people might count wrongly, or forget some extacts they used beforehand)

[frail swan]

Got it at 18 rank 3s

[low trellis]

i used exactly 18 r3s and immediately got it

[low trellis]

18 r3 is exactly 360 min so i don't think you need > 360

[sage vapor]

Maybe my friend only did 19 silver extracts, that's also a possibility.

[ripe bolt]

whats the prereq to unlock storm's fury? just be lv70 or need to finish the thal campaign?

[sage vapor]

Update : It seems Rank 2 only grants 14 points instead of 15.
Which means it would require 26 silver extracts --- or 20 silver & 4 gold --- or 10 silver & 11 gold.

Copper quality may only give 9 points instead of 10, which would mean 40 copper extracts.

[low trellis]

likely at least 1 char on your acct has to have completed campaign, not sure about that, but you can do storm's fury without finishing thal campaign on alts for sure

[strange moss]

is there no tracking quest triggered after first use of the essence?

or a currency event? they gotta track it somehow :p

[dire fractal]

Would be nice to have like a achievement to show the progress 0/20

[toxic mica]

Do we know the quest id? Can you get quest progress with a macro?

[mossy star]

22 R1s. Not yet. 🙂

Going all the way to 40 if needed....

https://tenor.com/view/witness-nux-madmax-valhalla-gif-10597611

[tacit cairn]

you are only at 110 mins

[mossy star]

We are sure its a minute thing now?

Thought Aliefur just said it didnt seem to be the case. I am also not seeing anyone else testing only Rank 1s yet.

[tacit cairn]

looks to be 360 mins. I've been doing R3 gold and I know that I previously did 2 - 5min buffs and at least 1 - 20 min buff that were not R3, so I should pop before I complete my stack of 20 R3's

[mossy star]

A lot of other people doing R1s have started throwing R2s in there from what I see. I'll go straight until I hit it for science. 🙂

[tacit cairn]

if I did my math correctly and have correctly calculated the previous essences I used prior to getting my stack of R3's then I should be able to stop with the R3's at 16 uses and use 1 R1 to get the toy.

[sage vapor]

We're not sure yet. What is certain is that the quality matters. But exact numbers can only be figured out with more data, with people using combinations of R1, R2 and R3

[edgy fulcrum]

ok im quite sure it is 360min now

i used 1 r3 rest r2

[jade kestrel]

how many of each?

of R2 i guess

[woeful torrent]

So you used 22.6666666666 rank 2s pretty convincing

[jade kestrel]

meaning 22 didnt pop it but 23 did that would help line that up

[woeful torrent]

Yeah it helps but doesn’t rule out 355mins

Or even 365

[jade kestrel]

since 22 would be under 360 but 23 would push over it

yeah but rules out 350

[woeful torrent]

Actually I guess it does rule out 365 because that information with 18 r3

So then 355 needs to be hit

I might actually be able to test that one in a little

[icy rapids]

pog, ty @woeful torrent

[jade kestrel]

but to that same point it could be % points filling a hidden bar and that correlates so far with ~360 mins.

hard to say exactly but mins so far seems it. and Supreme could be manipulated in mind to mean coming full circle which would fit with 360

[edgy fulcrum]

i screwed up in the counting, but i know it was over 17 r2 used and 1 r3.

[woeful torrent]

It’s alright be figure 23 r2

Boom just did my 17th R3 and 1 R2 so 355 doesn’t reward

[jade kestrel]

ok good i was about to try the same here as I am on 16 R3 right now. Since we know for sure 18 R3 works should i do a R3 to get to 17 which would be 340 and then go R1 from there on out to see if it is in fact 4 that gives it not less?

[woeful torrent]

Well bacon just got to 365 and was rewarded I got to 355 and wasn’t and others have gotten to 360 and were rewarded so we kinda don’t need anymore testing since it’s incremented by 5

[jade kestrel]

one thought I have for the % based possibility is that using 72 rank 1 to get to 360 mins seems crazy... so maybe there is a hidden modifier that makes that less like yeah its only 5 mins but in reality its 1% more than it would work out to so it requires less than 72. does that make sense

[woeful torrent]

Wait isn’t rank 1 10 mins?

[jade kestrel]

your right

ok so using 36 still seems high

[woeful torrent]

Yeah but that’s with the lowest quality which will eventually plummet when people are crafting just for first time craft and no one is buying because R3 is faster

[jade kestrel]

we do have someone going all R1 so that will shed light on that as well.

[woeful torrent]

Yeah what’s that person on? Number wise

[tacit cairn]

if I've correctly remembered the ones I used prior to getting my stack of 20 R3's I should be hitting exactly 360 in about 2 hours. I know I used 2 R1's before getting my R3's and pretty sure I used an R3 prior to getting the stack. I am at 15 from my R3 stack.
edit: so 1 hours if I only used the 2 R1's and 17mins if I did also use a R3 prior to getting a stack of 20.

[jade kestrel]

not sure have not seen an update for a while

@mossy star was at 22 last update was 3 hours ago. anything since then @mossy star ?

[icy rapids]

@mossy star where art thou friend.

[serene birch]

I'm gonna update the pin to say 360 total minutes of buff because that seems overwhelmingly likely at this point

[mossy star]

Work 😉

[jade kestrel]

Agreed still more testing but most likely!

[mossy star]

25 in 9 mins

[jade kestrel]

Thanks @mossy star keep us posted if you get it and how many when it drops thinking it will be 36 based on other data but time will tell!

[tacit cairn]

📣 You're at 250. keep it going

[mossy star]

25! and nope 😛

only 11 more. At midnight tonight ill turn to a pumpkin ele 😉

Watching Quantumania tonight with friends too. So it will be tomorrow morning before I hit 36.

[violet merlin]

tf are these prices

[mossy star]

some dude buying my R1s and reposting 🙂

idiots

[supple mauve]

lol

[tacit cairn]

Ok, I did not get the toy. So I am at 320 mins from my stack of R3's plus a confirmed 10 mins from my 1st use of the essence which granted me the fire elemental. A total of 330 mins that I can confirm. I remember using a 2nd essence but did not get a ss of it. Since I can't confirm it as a R1 or R3 that puts me at either 340 or 350 mins. Next hour I will use an R1.

[tacit cairn]

it's probably Bacon

[mossy star]

Someone else!

[tacit cairn]

lol, bank alt? maybe

well at least he's pushing peeps to use the R3's

[edgy fulcrum]

lol what, no im selling r2 and 3 🙂

[tacit cairn]

ah, you didn't buy up all the R1's and put them on ah for 15k each?

[edgy fulcrum]

lol god no

are u on NA ?

because on eu it is not at that price

[jade kestrel]

I posted a few accidentally at that price there was some there already not mine tho just left them lol

[mossy star]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-chris-pratt-no-way-get-outta-town-oh-shit-gif-19532530

[jade kestrel]

LOL what you get for Auto posting auctions yep..

[limpid oracle]

I am in EU but there are constantly people attempting to fish for cheap mats like that

recently there's some bloke from Ysondre who inflates the list by posting single items for 80s 79s 78s and so on

[jade kestrel]

I got the pattern made a few r1 and r2 and just went and posted them. gotta love Auto posted auctions right! hope a few sell if not will pay attention when i repost

[edgy fulcrum]

russians are currently undercutting a lot...

[jade kestrel]

Damn them! first world economy now WoW Economy NOOOOOOOO!!!

[edgy fulcrum]

nice profits eitherway..

[mossy star]

I havent specced into Illusory 😦

maybe silver life for a while and I'll cut the guildies a deal on the bronzes 😄

can people who are getting it also post screenshots of the elemental they got when it procc'ed for them please? Just for more science....I am tracking all my uses.

[jade kestrel]

according to our known procs i should have mine in 12 mins when i can pop my 18th one .

[icy rapids]

@mossy star thanks for all u are doing in this space

[mossy star]

ofc 🙂 thanks for all the other work. I feel I owe it a little, I've been able to piggyback on the hivemind for many things over the past three years.

[jade kestrel]

Just did my 18th and didnt get it... odd

[limpid oracle]

which quality for each?

[jade kestrel]

all r3

must not be specifically tied to minutes then....

[fiery lotus]

Does anyone know if you can do other stuff whilst transformed as an elemental like mount/combat? Don't want to lose the buff

[tacit cairn]

360

R3 - 320 mins
R1 - 40 mins

[sharp marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409013531501920256/1076221193960554566/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409013531501920256/1076221259173601422/image.png

[serene birch]

god damn lmao

[limpid oracle]

Ah, over 800
Mounts or toys?

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[edgy fulcrum]

i have even canceled it.. so no worries

[sharp marsh]

Both

[jade kestrel]

19 used still dont have it...

IDK what is up seeing so many getting it here but only R3 used and so far its 19...

[tacit cairn]

um my toons toybox only goes to 797

[jade kestrel]

mine shows 787...

so who knows

he might have old toys that are not in there anylonger as not obtainable so its on his but wont show on ours.

[tacit cairn]

your right 787

[static wedge]

It gives you and item you have to use in your bag. Did you use the item already? And it's not showing after using the item?

[sharp marsh]

Used it

[fiery lotus]

He got it, just showing how close he is toy completion

[sharp marsh]

I just need money now to have all 😦

They are tcg promotion stuffs

[sharp marsh]

Hidden toys

[tacit cairn]

and that he has 34 more toys than other players

[sharp marsh]

Some ppl have 824 as max

There isnt show 3 hidden unobtaianable

Like murloc costume

[jade kestrel]

Yeah I didnt get toy yet with 19 uses now.. very odd.

20th will be in 45 mins or so

[limpid oracle]

I hope your inventory isn't full? 😬

[tacit cairn]

you get a big pop-up on your screen when you get the toy, can't miss it

[jade kestrel]

Nope not full no pop up no toy no nothing...

[mossy star]

29 R1s and nope!

[sharp marsh]

You need 36

360 mins

[tacit cairn]

@mossy star
You can do this. We have multiple confirmations of around 360. Just need it proved out with R1's.

so would 36 - 24 - 18 actually mean anything?

[jade kestrel]

we also have mine with 19 hitting 20th in a sec all R3 that I dont have it yet.

[tacit cairn]

if all of yours are R3 you should have hit it at 18.

are you sure it's not in your journal?

[jade kestrel]

right and they all were I never used a non R3 one got it just now on 20

[tacit cairn]

are you an enchanter

[jade kestrel]

yes

[tacit cairn]

didn't you have issues getting the Glimmer too?

[jade kestrel]

yes didnt get it first DE got it 2nd and then pattern on 3rd

not sure whats up there but not 18 100% i thought @sage vapor was around 400 Mins also for the first one. not sure.

[tacit cairn]

they didn't use all R3's

[sage vapor]

I wasn't counting precisely, just stacking buffs

And yes there were R2 in there

[jade kestrel]

right but still hit around 400 Mins stacked didnt you? if the Minutes is the key then it wouldnt matter if you stacked it with R2 and R3 it should have been purely based on the time.

[tacit cairn]

@jade kestrel did you buy yours off of ah?

[jade kestrel]

Yes as at the time i didnt have the pattern.

we had non-enchanting alts get it at 18 already too though so who knows.

unless the time thing either has some kind of a Decay element to it as mine with work and other commitments has taken since the day we found it (first used) to today final one. or is it possible that somehow the timer wasnt counting officially early on and 1 or 2 of my first ones didnt count for it on the backend.

either could be possible and that could semi explain @sage vapor being closer to 400 Mins if maybe the first few were not counting and blizz backend fixed the counter.

[sage vapor]

Maybe there is a bug when you stack it where it removes time from the buff being consumed over time? I don't know.
Anyway from observation, R3 is worth 20, and R2 is worth 14. So the count can get off a little. 🤔

[jade kestrel]

yeah I did have a few that I stacked too. not sure if that made a difference

[tacit cairn]

possibly, I did my first R1 when we found it and I thought I had done 3 essences prior to getting my stack of 20 but mine tested out that I had only done 2.

@jade kestrel the R3's you're using have 3 gold on them? Are you on Arthas?

[jade kestrel]

ok so could be something backend and 18 is the number needed for it but we used it and blizz likely saw it was found and checked some counters and saw nothing and fixed it. Yes Arthas and all R3 with 3 Gold. the ones I have on the AH are ones I crafted later never used a lower one.

[tacit cairn]

those were R1's I had on ah

[jade kestrel]

Yeah I bought some as was going to try and use them but then we had some comments above that we had hit 355 mins and 365 mins and it hit each time at the 360 min counter. never used them I bought 24 R3 initially and have 4 left never bought any more R3

[tacit cairn]

ok, cause I listed those this morning or last night

[jade kestrel]

Thinking the "Counter" in the background was not working maybe for first few hours Blizz saw we found them and checked once we started using them and saw no counted uses. Yeah that was sometime this morning that I bought them. when I had 17 used was going to use them to work on timer but someone else beat me to it.

[bold obsidian]

So to be clear - do you need to keep the buff for 6 hours? given the item itself has a 1hr CD?

[tacit cairn]

nah

[bold obsidian]

OK, ty.

[jade kestrel]

no just need to use it X number of times People have canceled the buff and gotten it still at what would put them at 360Mins. we have had a few outliers from early testing that needed more than that. Overall only completely untested one is R1 being 36 uses which is in testing by @mossy star at the moment.

Theory is 360 mins of total buff time added is needed (can be canceled dont need to wait it out) which should mean 18 Rank3 24 Rank2 and 36 Rank1

[tacit cairn]

or any combination of them that totals 360mins

[bold obsidian]

Yeah I have 17 more r3s sitting in my bag 😉

[tacit cairn]

you're good to go, enjoy your toy in 18 hours.... toy is on cd for an hour after you get it.

[bold obsidian]

hahah

Of course it is, why not 👀

[tacit cairn]

toy shares cd with essences

[bold obsidian]

Yeah, just seems silly

[tacit cairn]

a clue that using the essence leads to the toy

[jade kestrel]

nice thing is unlike many Transform buffs that are not Racial Forms it stays in combat through death and is fun to play with

only a few things seem to knock it off glider ex

Mounting puts you back in normal form but you keep the buff and dismounting you go back to the form.

has anyone found a secret trigger in the background? I know there are addons that tell you triggers i just dont have any of them anymore my comp does not like them running and i get alot of crashing

there has to be something that is triggering the "Supreme Invocation" to happen which is the spell giving the toy its not an Achievement so wonder what tracking there is backend.

[mossy star]

https://tenor.com/view/ant-man-bye-ciao-im-out-paul-rudd-gif-14416947

31 and nothing, but I'm out for Quantumania! C'yall tomorrow morning with my results!

[oblique valve]

I have all the glimmer and I still wont get the damn recipe. Something is really weird. Been disenchanting like 60 pets

[tacit cairn]

what is your knowledge tree?

[tacit cairn]

screen shot what you have for Insight

[oblique valve]

full specced into insight of blue maxed on all inside that tree

[icy rapids]

whats next for thee?

[tacit cairn]

check your recipes and make sure you don't have it. If you have de'd all 5 of the glimmers you should have the recipe after de'ing 60 pets

[icy rapids]

perhaps its in the mail if your bags were full?

[left citrus]

And you've got all the glimmers right, so you have Primal Extraction unlocked

[tacit cairn]

you have de'd the glimmers and not holding them in your bags?

[oblique valve]

ofc the macro says true on all glimmer

no mail

[left citrus]

have you tried DEing something that's not the pet

[oblique valve]

what you mean?

[left citrus]

Like a piece of gear

[oblique valve]

like armor?

yes ofc

its my main DE toon:)

[left citrus]

have you tried relogging? I'm running out of ideas lol

[oblique valve]

i think its bugged

i have been trying different ides for several days now. must be bugged

[left citrus]

I'd say put a ticket in but I bet they'd just give you a generic unhelpful response

[left citrus]

and you're 100000% positive you've DEd all 5 of them

[oblique valve]

tbh i dont know. but why does it say True on the above picture? is it just for the drop?

[left citrus]

I think the macro is just for collecting them, yeah

[oblique valve]

well then maybe i did not DE something - must be that

[mossy star]

bank cavity search time!

[oblique valve]

i might have sent to another toon for DE tbh, its kinda game over.

[tacit cairn]

can't the glimmers are soulbound

just go to you bank and search glimmer with all your bags open, it will show up

[oblique valve]

when it drops you can trade it, i remember that several weeks ago

think its a 60 min trade window

[tacit cairn]

only with other people in your group that also tagged the mob it dropped from

[oblique valve]

yes and i was with friends:)

so kinda RiP

[tacit cairn]

do you know which one it was?

[left citrus]

they should be able to drop again

[oblique valve]

no idea tbh

i have never seen it drop now for weeks and im in many primals invasions. i guess it wont drop aggain

i must remove enchanting and maybe learn it aggain then maybe

ill just buy and learn the toy instead:)

[tacit cairn]

I'd put in a ticket first.

[icy rapids]

@oblique valve nothing in your bank/mail? if not, def a ticket as circe suggested. Something might be bugged on your acct; hang in there, it'll get resolved soon (tm)

[mossy star]

33 R1, closer! going to sleep. Cya when the coffee hits 🙂

[raven sorrel]

@verbal ploverNeed to get 360 minutes of buff? (e.g. do it on a alt that you don't play and just log in every hour to buff it?) Or can you just use the flask every time? Is the buff timer global and will it just be credited to me?

[verbal plover]

You don't need to stack it up

[verbal plover]

You can just use them on your main if you're playing that character the most

[raven sorrel]

@verbal ploverThank you very much

[muted fable]

Can it work on non max level characters?
Im currently logging every hour on an alt to get the toy, and I hope it will work x)

[muted fable]

Just got it on my alt, so it works ^^

[mossy star]

what level?

[tranquil crescent]

got toy after 1 q2 and 17 q3 extracts

[muted fable]

61

[mossy star]

35 Rank 1s! Not yet, the countdown begins...

[vague mulch]

Not sure if you figured out your issue but I might have had the same problem, I continued to kill mobs in the primal storms and eventually got a drop for the it

[tacit cairn]

what recipe?

[vague mulch]

not really a recipe I guess

but got loot

[tacit cairn]

@left citrus ???? not from de'ing the pet

[tacit cairn]

@vague mulch I'm confused. You said you had the same problem. Did you trade a glimmer to someone you were grouped with that was also eligible to get it? Or did you already de all your glimmers and learn the recipe and then it dropped for you in a key farm while an storm was up?

[vague mulch]

I was farming my last glimmer, DE'd the glimmer didn't learn the recipe. Kept killing mobs as I was doing it for an achievement. After some point got the drop I posted above

Hope that clears it up

[serene birch]

Oh that’s really interesting

I wonder if we don’t have to DE the pet again then

[mossy star]

twice

[serene birch]

Maybe DEing the pet just triggers another glimmer drop

[mossy star]

1 for the glimmer and more pets for the recipe after yeah

[serene birch]

And the glimmer drop triggering when you’ve gotten them all is the source of the recipe

Yes thank you I know I wrote the pin 😛

But I’m saying that with that info you might not have to DE a second pet and maybe you can farm storms until you get a “natural” glimmer drop, which would trigger the inspiration

[left citrus]

That definitely makes sense

[tacit cairn]

so de'ing the pet gets the glimmer of order and satisfies a prereq for discovery of the recipe, which can be discovered through de'ing another pet, a drop, and possibly random de of anything? That the de'ing an additional pet has an almost 100% chance?

[serene birch]

I don’t think we’ve seen it yet from a DE of any random item yet but I could be wrong

But I’m saying you’d farm storms to try to get a “second” glimmer of fire or whatever, and that might proc the discovery. The same way a “second” glimmer of order procs it

[tacit cairn]

yeah, but this seems to be the 1st chance at discovery from a drop

or did blizz go in and add options cause of cost of getting the pets

[serene birch]

It might’ve always been there and we hadn’t noticed because we found the pet DE method for the inspiration instantly

[tacit cairn]

ok, so I will not de another pet to learn the recipe on my testing alt, so far all she had de'd is the glimmer of order, she has all of them but has only de'd order.

[serene birch]

👌that’d be perfect

Yeah like see if it’ll just drop from a storm

Because that’d be big if people didn’t have to buy 6 pets to DE or whatever 😅

Like I did 😭