channels and roles have this and i don't know what's what, help!!!!
#Difference between position and rawPosition? ( as in how are they positioned)
hybrid apex
storm stag
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storm stag
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dawn stirrup
channels and roles have this and i don't know what's what, help!!!!
rawPosition is the one discord sends
iirc position is something from discordjs and resembles the position in the category?
correct me if I'm wrong
hybrid apex
rawPosition is the one discord sends
iirc position is something from discordjs a...
i know that but how is it even positioned
i know what raw means, i just don't know how discord's api positions it and how djs does it
Difference between position and rawPosition? ( as in how are they positioned)
dawn stirrup
well position is what position the channel has in the category (this forum channel would be 0)
rawPosition seems to be the position of the channel from top to bottom
categories and text/voice channels are separated
hybrid apex
so for rawPositions, there are three categories of positions?
category, text and voice?
do stage channels count as voice?
hmm, this makes sense since voice channels are always on the bottom in the category
i don't know about stages though
hybrid apex
not something to ask on my thread, it's a forum, go ask on #archive-offtopic 😡
dawn stirrup
rawPosition on voice/stage seems absolutely fucked
woven sphinx
(does this still need answers?)
dawn stirrup
yes
storm stag
yes
solar goblet
not something to ask on my thread, it's a forum, go ask on <#222197033908436994>...
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dawn stirrup
at least for rawPosition
hybrid apex
djs positions are just like from top to bottom, right? neat
after we're done with that, i got two words for you, role positions 🤨
woven sphinx
the rawPosition is the position as sent by discord, as single number, nonexclusive to other channels or roles
when the discord client recieves roles or channels with the same position, it orders them based on id, ascending for channels, descending for roles
each type of channel is sorted seperately
the library's position follows the order as shown in the discord client
hybrid apex
ah role positions seem simpler, just "id sorting -> position sorting" right?
woven sphinx
both role and channel positions are generated in the same way, each type of channel is sorted seperately
both the first text channel and the first voice channel in a category will have the position 0 (or 1 i don't remember)
hybrid apex
let me check
why did i try to enable developer mode 
okay that bit is irrelevant for now, each type?
not just categories, text-based types and voice?
woven sphinx
not sure about that, haven't tested that much
hybrid apex
it doesn't make sense to have sort categories for each type
woven sphinx
categories are seperate, and text and voice are seperate, but i don't know if news and stage are grouped with text and voice respectively
hybrid apex
only voice and everything else (categories ofc) make sense because voice channels are always on the bottom of the category
woven sphinx
makes sense for the news channels to be sorted along with text channels, but i haven't used stages so i can't comment on that
that was phrased badly, mb
hybrid apex
my understanding is, if are allowed to be placed anywhere and not just some specific position (like on the top of the other channels or on the bottom), stages would be sorted with text channels
for some reason now i can't find a single stage in all 70 of my servers
@dawn stirrup did stages get removed or something?
woven sphinx
stage is sorted among voice channels so they would share the sorting i believe
hybrid apex
they are? i think i saw stages being on top
woven sphinx
so there's 4 groups for the rawPosition, roles, categories, text-based (for each category) and voice-based (for each category)
woven sphinx
they are? i think i saw stages being on top
may have been outside of a category?
hybrid apex
no i think it was inside
but again i can't really confirm
because i can't find a single stage
woven sphinx
im testing in the client rn, can't get it above text
hybrid apex
okay so it's with voice channels
woven sphinx
<@211888560662511617> did stages get removed or something?
hype died down probably
hybrid apex
they can be placed above voice channels, right?
hybrid apex
now just confirm rawPosition for roles for me
woven sphinx
now just confirm rawPosition for roles for me
like channels but descending
hybrid apex
confused
woven sphinx
channel with position 0 is at the top, role with position 0 is at the bottom (<@&222078108977594368>)
hybrid apex
so djs just makes it ascending -> descending?
hybrid apex
that's very useful
vast lightBOT
(static) Util.discordSort()
Sorts by Discord's position and id.
woven sphinx
(lib stays consistent with descending thing but the order of ids changes)
hybrid apex
okay so summary of this thread correct me if i'm wrong
Roles
rawPosition -> discord sends the roles in an ascending order
position -> discordjs makes it descending
channels
rawPosition -> three groups with their own descending sorting, categories, voice channels (including stages) and everything else
position -> all the channels in descending order as they appear in the ui
woven sphinx
channels are ascending
not sure what you mean by this part
discord sends the roles as ascending
hybrid apex
in an ascending order
woven sphinx
<@&222078108977594368>, the bottom role, is always (raw)pos 0 (afaik)
djs keeps that
hybrid apex
and then the role above is 1, the one above is 2 and so on?
woven sphinx
for position, yes
for rawPos they just go up, not necessarily sequential/distinct as mentioned before
hybrid apex
so wait djs makes it from top to bottom but in the end they have everyone as 0?
hybrid apex
uhhhhhh
woven sphinx
suppose uh, this server ig
mod, contrib, everyone
for djs position, it's 2 1 0 in that order
for raw position, afaik everyone is always 0, and then contrib is something above that, and then mod is something above that
hybrid apex
so what's the difference
woven sphinx
or it could be that everyone is 0, both mod and contrib are 1, and mod has a later id than contrib
woven sphinx
so what's the difference
the "first" channel is the topmost channel, the "first" role is the bottommost role
hybrid apex
noooo i mean what's the difference between djs position and rawPosition for roles specifically
forget channels
woven sphinx
djs position resolves the rawPosition into indexes
rawPosition can have duplicates or gaps, position doesn't
woven sphinx
rawPosition doesn't require distinct positions
woven sphinx
to avoid extra updates i guess
if you have a channel in position 1, and you edit another channel to have position 1, then those 2 channels will be sorted by id and the first channel won't get updated
hybrid apex
i get that instead of editting the positions of all the roles just for one update is wasteful but then what is it for
hybrid apex
rawPositions
woven sphinx
as in the value discord sends or the field exposed on Roles/GuildChannels
hybrid apex
well now i have to sleep
i'll do some testing later on
thanks a lot
hybrid apex
i'm left with extreme confusion
woven sphinx
im confused on what you're confused on
hybrid apex
right now just how discord roles' raw position works
woven sphinx
i feel like it just barely does tbh
hybrid apex
and i wanna know how 
young dock