Battlegroup 14 - 212th Logi: Comms

[chilly iris]

They synthesized a chainsaw for it

[dapper quartz]

Doom music is... probably too dark, y'know? We're doing something moderately heroic here, it's not all being badass.

[chilly iris]

True

[dapper quartz]

Also I thought the chainsaw was for Doom 2016.

[chilly iris]

It might have been both as they had the same lead composer

[dapper quartz]

Also, I imagine that ARMCO's done it before, but hot-dropping Artillery onto a battlefield - assuming it doesn't die instantly - is hella badass.

[hidden scaffold]

How about Free Bird starting from 4:20?

[cursive rapids]

I mean it depends on thr kind of vibe you want. I dont feel like doom guitar is heroic. Its certainly badass though

Free bird is more rogues that dont give a fuck like pirates of the carribean in a Camero or something

[hasty garden]

My go to tracks have been "arrival to earth " from transformers 2007 and "the unsung war" from ace combat 5

[cursive rapids]

Both classics

Bulk order trailer music is such a huge thing now on YouTube you could probably dig for months and not find something lol

[ebon river]

I’ve used March on Axylus from Battletech and the Imperial Guard theme from Dawn of War. Plus Contract Details from Project Wingman for planning.

[violet sparrow]

sounds like we may not want to go into the Crossroads alone lol

[hidden scaffold]

Rabbit still plans to go it seems

[cursive rapids]

If the bots are building something we can assume their defending it as well

We haven't found sny permanent bot bases yet so going in seems unwise

[somber apex]

"64 missed messages in midround events" monka
brb reading

[willow sinew]

Hi from Shovels here, just did the math for what we can do this turn with our movement.
TLDR: We can make it to Elim orbit but not descend. If we ignore the cost of loading troops back onto our HATs then we can descend.

We can wait in orbit while Rabbit scopes out the crossroads

[somber apex]

hmmm
what exactly does the cost of loading troops back on involve?

[chilly iris]

.5 Movement from the unit being loaded I believe

The transport doesn't have a speed cost to have units loaded into it, just the unit being transported

For planning sake it looks like were going to make it to Elim city high orbit but will have to wait until next turn to descend

If we are descending

[dapper quartz]

What would be the point of going to Elim and descending without carrying units? As far as we know, we don't exactly need to shoot at anything.

[hidden scaffold]

Besides Shovels need the LS from Atlas

[chilly iris]

There really isn't one

If we head straight to Elim City once loaded up, we can reach the 37-- column at VTOL speed, just outside the descending area

Our fighters and HATs in theory could use the rest of their movement to get closer to the descending area so they don't have to use the speed next turn

[hidden scaffold]

Elim High an low orbit are both now strat maps

[chilly iris]

Oh sweet

[chilly iris]

Wait if it's a strat map then we should have enough movement to make it to the city, no?

[hidden scaffold]

You mean descend?

[chilly iris]

Yeah

[hidden scaffold]

I think that still takes half the movement

[chilly iris]

Yeah it does and I misread the loading rules for HATs, apologies

[cunning shell]

Good morning what’s going on

[chilly iris]

I didn't see the "with the exception of the Heavy Air Transport, which uses 0.5 speed per cargo slot" section

[chilly iris]

We be flying again

[cunning shell]

Where to?

[chilly iris]

Elim City High orbit and then descending to the city next turn I believe

Have you seen the mid rounds?

[hasty garden]

Turns out being a logistics division involves a lot of going from point A to point b

Elim by the sound of it, then going off recon

[chilly iris]

gasp

[cunning shell]

I have now

Dang

[chilly iris]

@versed locust You willing to take some passengers from Shovels?

[cunning shell]

Next stop Crossroads

Fun…

[chilly iris]

Hopefully no Helldivers-esque bot factories

[grand sun]

After Elim, are we going to L-H?

[hidden scaffold]

I think it will be necessary

[chilly iris]

And get our LMs on the ground at Elim so we have ground spotting?

[grand sun]

That and get them out of the transports. Let em start doing more than just “still sitting in the cargo”

[hidden scaffold]

So a convoy of 4 mechs and 2 IFVs?

[grand sun]

Main thing I was working out was Crow’s unloading. Lol

[grand sun]

I mean, for us maybe…but I’d be surprised if we were the only group going that route.

[hidden scaffold]

Redwall is staying

[grand sun]

Shoot

[hidden scaffold]

Iron Hammer has a vote going that favors at the moment going to L-H

Atlas will stay one turn and in the turn 6 go to Cross Roads

[grand sun]

3 BGs requested to remain in Elim…guess that limits the push too

Does Rock Station have the deorbit cost too?

[hidden scaffold]

You mean half movement to dock and undock? No I don't think so

[chilly iris]

Yeah it doesn't really have an orbit to fly into

That rule is probably just for planets or similarly sized areas

[grand sun]

Yeah, with the developments and speed I’m thinking Hoover

• 0.5 to “land”
• 0.5 to unload Crow
• 0.5 to “take off”
• 2 to Elim High Orbit
• 0.5 to land in Atlas’s VTOL Bay
• 0.5 to load LS
• 0.5 takeoff from VTOL Bay

That’s full 5 speed, and gets us poised for the next leg. We just need to be dropping off the LS before the 17th

lol, I was about to ping you @twin girder . What do you and @cunning shell think of this? I know you’d rather not ride a HAT Zeta, but it’s at least a round delay to put you on the deck rather than transferring you.

[cunning shell]

Okay then

I’ll go with a HAT

[grand sun]

We’d temporarily load Crow onto either Condor or Falcon.

My goal is to have the LMs on the ground ASAP and for y’all to spend most of the time with your feet on the ground.

[cunning shell]

At least you care

[cursive rapids]

We had already discussed taking on 2 LMs and some inf I believe

How many are we flying now for the shovels?

[grand sun]

We’ll be going from 2 empty HATs to having 2 full and 1 half full basically.

[cursive rapids]

K

We have 15 cargo slots between us

[chilly iris]

You'll get to stretch your mecha legs soon

[grand sun]

2 LMs and boots. A full HAT’s worth cause they’ve got a HAT going radio silent.

[cursive rapids]

K

[cunning shell]

They are perfectly fine

[cursive rapids]

So 8 cargo in mechs and 1 in inf

So we have 6 left of supplies or w.e else we want to take

[grand sun]

I don’t remember if the new boots are infantry or engineers…but that gives you an idea of the HAT space when we leave the Rock Station

[cursive rapids]

What does it 4/6 FS?

Mean*

[chilly iris]

Want me to ask in Shovel's chat if the engineers I'm carrying want to unload or paradrop at Elim?

[chilly iris]

Engineers or medics

They aren't a full 6 FS unit

[cursive rapids]

Aaah ok

[fast idol]

They’re infantry

Pretty sure it’s Pillbox

[grand sun]

6 FS = a slot, so x/6 FS…but that doesn’t mean they take up the full slot.

[chilly iris]

I was more asking about what they wanted to do in terms of transport after we get to Elim city

[grand sun]

lol, yup. Replied to the wrong message

Meant to be Ceberskie’s

[willow sinew]

Cannot land/take off in same turn

[chilly iris]

That rule doesn’t apply to VTOLs, which Hoover is

[willow sinew]

Right.

[chilly iris]

Us HATs however…

[willow sinew]

Just fighters/bobers/hats

[plucky river]

However the VTOL bays you can only land or takeoff from

So you’re stuck wasting 0.5

[grand sun]

Ah, right. The Bays…ah well. Can stay parked in the Bay and start there the next round. lol

[cursive rapids]

still making good time

[cunning shell]

Finally solid ground

[cursive rapids]

Elim or Crossroads?

[cunning shell]

No more space

[ebon river]

I assume I’m mounting back up on Puffin and calling it a day?

[grand sun]

Honestly still worth it, and we’ll just make sure to stay with Atlas.

[grand sun]

Elim high orbit first. HATs might be able to deorbit if y’all and/or your shovels want

[somber apex]

https://tenor.com/view/underwater-meditation-freedive-ikaria-chris-keketsidis-paramukta-gif-24347073

me on patrol waiting for things to happen

[chilly iris]

We won't be able to deorbit this turn unfortunately

Not enough speed

[chilly iris]

Soooooon

[grand sun]

Had been working on VTOL speed, so I hadn’t done y’all’s math yet

[grand sun]

😜 we’re headed to a front now tho

[plucky river]

Fully loading a HAT and taking off gets them down to 4 speed.

[hasty garden]

Gonna be missing the boredom soon enough

[grand sun]

Yeppers! You helped give the Lumarans a sense of security, now it’s time to load back up and prepare to join the push.

[grand sun]

Gotcha, so basically VTOL speed. Thanks! Haven’t studied HATs and my reference stuff is a bit easier when I’m not mobile. Haha

[chilly iris]

The fighters might be able to but none of the HATs should have enough speed to deorbit

[plucky river]

Yeah.
Fully loading a landed HAT and Landed VTOL both gets them down to 4.

[grand sun]

Something else to remember too is that all the bombers and fighters from Atlas are dry, we’ll be bringing in fighters that have guns ready should we get a counter.

[somber apex]

oh don't worry, I'm
Unbothered. Moisturized. Happy. In My Orbit. Focused. Flourishing.

[grand sun]

@fluid carbon y’all have an open VTOL Bay this round? Will likely have one of our HVTOLs request to land and load the LS.

[chilly iris]

Umhimoff?

[willow sinew]

Not with all the people we need to reload, I believe the HAT pays movement to load people no?

[willow sinew]

I can deorbit, I did not unload last turn

At 2.5/7 movement used

[chilly iris]

.5 per cargo slot, yeah

[chilly iris]

Will the rest of Shovels be able to follow, or does it not count as a different map area

[willow sinew]

No, they don’t have the speed and no idea

Need to ask Shack

[hidden scaffold]

What needs asking?

You can descend even if the rest stays in orbit e.g. Orbital Picket Line from Atlas that deployed IH

[cunning shell]

So just to get this straight before I make a order tomorrow

Were going to Elim and ending in high orbit with a LS

Then next round we’re gonna do a massive Paradrop flash build a airfield in the crossroads currently under enemy control

Is that everything

[chilly iris]

I believe so

[fluid carbon]

We will reserve one for you!

[cunning shell]

The actual hell

Our engineers aren’t mages who can conjure a airfield

[fluid carbon]

We'll be joining you in landing at Crossroads as well

[cunning shell]

Okay

But dang how many engineers do Shovels have

[fluid carbon]

enough to magically conjure an airfield XD

[hidden scaffold]

Need to see if we can actually do that. Personally I would prefer a recon report by Rabbit
But that will only arrive in turn 6

[hidden scaffold]

Oh we can and even fortifications and a large supply depot are part of the turn 1 construction

[cunning shell]

Dang

[hidden scaffold]

18 build actions is a lot and we only need 9 for the AF+large supply depot.
So 9 fortifications could be build. Add to that possible infantry that can expand sandbags to trenches and that is 22 build actions

[chilly iris]

Don't they have an engineering MBT as well or is that a different BG?

[hidden scaffold]

Venator has two

[somber apex]

uh, what? Gesundheit

[cursive rapids]

Its an acronym of what you said lol

[somber apex]

oh lmao

[chilly iris]

I thought it was code lmao

[grand sun]

We go Elim high orbit this round, see what we’re dealing with for next.

[somber apex]

but yes I would um him off

[somber apex]

I had a feeling but my brain was too distracted to double check xP

[cursive rapids]

Sounds like a plan

[grand sun]

Think Atlas might be moving, so we’ll keep with them.

[cunning shell]

Wait has anyone tried asking the locals on the station what the bots had like descriptions

[grand sun]

I don’t think so…

[cunning shell]

Would it be bad if I tried before leaving and boarding one of the HATs

[grand sun]

You could attempt it between the HVTOL and the HAT. Include in the RP and I’ll include the blurb on the map

[chilly iris]

kidnaps a crossroads tour guide from the space cruise line

[cunning shell]

We don’t need to worry about the tour guide

[hidden scaffold]

#1382037040438181950 message

[grand sun]

You good to follow? If you are, Hoover can launch from their orbital with the LS after the jump to Crossroads.

[cursive rapids]

Seems like we're gonna be moving to take the crossroads in eammrnest

[grand sun]

Iron Hammer and Rabbit are potentially pushing on the ground, figure we’ll follow behind Atlas.

Atlas’s success/protection is in our best interest too since we need their LS. Haha

[versed locust]

Absolutely fine with me (sorry late response. Still need a ride?)

Note: I’m pretty sure I will be carrying LM Crow, but I still have 3 slots

[chilly iris]

I think they found their spots, mostly just needed a few spare cargo slots on a HAT available

I’d have to double check but I believe you’re only carrying Crow now

[versed locust]

Alright, that’s fine. MB for not responding yesterday.

[chilly iris]

All good man, can’t expect everyone to be in similar time zones or availability

[cursive rapids]

Last thing Dave posted he's still got 2

Unless that changed in the past couple hours

[dapper quartz]

No tactical map, so I'm just dumping a basic order in and calling it a day. Or two.

[grand sun]

2 what? What did I say?

This?

[surreal canyon]

so we are headed to Elim high orbit?

[chilly iris]

Yup

[surreal canyon]

Alrighty then I'm with you, lets go. Did i miss anything else, looks like talks about hat loading and offloading.

[chilly iris]

Just some speed talk but you as a fighter are fine

If you didn't land at Damar Station last turn you might actually have enough speed to make it to the Elim City map

[surreal canyon]

I didn't land, but i do have drop tanks so I should be fine.

[chilly iris]

Even without the drop tanks you have 7 speed and it's only 5.5 speed (as a fighter or HAT) to enter low orbit at Elim City if you didn't land

[surreal canyon]

could i deorbit in that case? no that takes an entire turn doesn't it?

[chilly iris]

It takes half your total speed to deorbit and you can't deorbit and re-orbit in the same turn

[chilly iris]

I believe it took your entire turn during C3

[surreal canyon]

ah yea that's right.

[fluid carbon]

we've got some spare flight decks in Atlas if you need a resupply

[violet sparrow]

Alright, do we know what we are planning this round? Link up with Atlas?

[grand sun]

Link up with Atlas over Elim city. Everyone’s loading back up in the HATs and Crow will be moving over so Hoover can land and load the LS for the airfield construction.

[fluid carbon]

I've got 1 VTOL bay slot reserved for you, other than that, we've got 2 VTOL slots and 3 Air slots left for reservations.

Shovels is following you too, right?

[gusty aurora]

hmm where is the image for our area not quite sure where to end my order

[chilly iris]

Where we are doesn't have a map as there aren't any enemies. For where we end up is in #campaign-briefing-room message this map where our orbitals are

[grand sun]

They are, they have 3-4 HATs but I don’t know that have a reason to land.

[grand sun]

@cursive rapids 2 down, 1 to go and you’ll be loaded and cleared for take off.

[willow sinew]

Waiting on squire

[grand sun]

@violet sparrow , @somber apex , and @peak terrace , friendly reminder that orders are due <t:1751839140:F>. We’ll be jumping to Elim City this round to meet up with with TF Atlas and prepare for the push to Crossroads

[keen vault]

Do I need to order a disembark this turn or will that be next turn

[chilly iris]

That will be next turn

[grand sun]

@twin girder , @cunning shell , and @versed locust , friendly reminder that orders are due <t:1751839140:F>. We’ll be jumping to Elim City this round to meet up with TF Atlas and prepare for the push to Crossroads. I have some requests for the 3 of y’all in preparation for that.

• Hoover: please land at the station, unload Crow, make the jump, dock with TF Atlas who has a bay reserved for you, and load an LS
• Crow: unfortunately I gotta ask you to unload from Hoover and load into Falcon. Feel free to RP stuff here too.
• Falcon: before you take off, please load Crow. If you’d like you can request SS as well and we can see if Captain lets us pull those from here or not. Up to you.

[grand sun]

No need this round. Likely next round, but like always we’re taking this a turn at a time.

[keen vault]

Sounds good, just making sure I wasn’t missing anything

[grand sun]

Also, for anyone who hasn’t seen me in action…I get really into the logistical side of things just cause it’s something clicks and I enjoy. My posts and requests really are just me as a fellow player bringing my suggestions or ideas to the table. We’re all able to choose to do what we wish as long it’s within the rules.

[cursive rapids]

cool who am I carrying? I'll type it up asap

[grand sun]

I don’t think I’ve done too much so far, but since I did the bit with the 3 for Crow’s transfer and were about to get more into the supply/logi game…I just wanted to make sure no one took me the wrong way.

[grand sun]

The two orders above that post and then a LM callsign Squire (according to Hera, I haven’t actually looked at the transfer paperwork 😜 )

[willow sinew]

I did the designations for whose in the 95th AW, it had both of our LMs and pillbox

Fey has reported, now we need confirmation from Squire

[grand sun]

Perfect! We still got time, I was just getting a first round of pings out to try to not be as crunched this time around.

I’ll go ahead and offer this too…if anyone wants to stage/draft orders either for editing or if you’re just waiting for something to clear first, my DMs are open.

They were used both last campaign and this as a place to post orders that weren’t quite ready to be put in the order channel but that the people wanted to easily be able to copy/paste when they were ready.

[cunning shell]

Curious question

How do I do the action of talking with locals

[chilly iris]

You can put it in the “Movement/Action Tracker” tracker of your order when you write it

[cunning shell]

Okay i just want to make sure before I do something and get it wrong

[grand sun]

RP section works too. I check both. Most of the RP I don’t put in the maps, but if it’s something that Captain could interact with, then I try to include it.

[versed locust]

Ok, so if I were to try and negotiate for say 12 small supply, would it theoretically cost a total 1.5 movement? with .5 movement for taking an action to negotiate, and 1 total movement for two instances of loading 6 small supply

[grand sun]

That’s how I read the rules. .5 for just about anything, and it’s .5 per slot you’re loading.

Worth also mentioning that it’ll cost you 1 movement to help load Crow since vehicles take 2 slots. That puts you at 2.5 movement spent on loading and negotiating, .5 to take off, so a range of 4. Still plenty to reach Elim High Orbit.

[violet sparrow]

Copy that ghost rider. Just got busy with finally getting and trying SINs 2 today lol. Will put in my orders in the morning

[cunning shell]

Orders in

[grand sun]

No worries!! I don’t like how crunched for time we’ve been, so I wanted to send a first wave of pings out early enough that people could be reminded without being rushed.

[cunning shell]

Please ping me if you need me to do anything

I forgot the Facing

But is that going to be a problem

[grand sun]

Not this time

Technically facing is something I can work without in most cases…but in this one specifically, your being transported…so facing is irrelevant.

lol, and I like the RP. We’ll get you out of the HAT as soon as we can. I appreciate your flexibility for this case

[cunning shell]

7-7

I’m watching you Dave

Remember I know where you keep those coffee packets

[grand sun]

dangerous game bringing up a man’s coffee in that way…

[twin girder]

who am I landing on for Atlas

[willow sinew]

Squire submitted their orders

[fast idol]

I have boarded Condor! That’s all of the Shovels peeps popped over I think. At least the ones coming from the 95th AW

[willow sinew]

Yes

[fast idol]

Damn, beat to the punch

[willow sinew]

Sorry

[fast idol]

In a lighthearted manner, you’re good

[willow sinew]

Thanks

[cunning shell]

Never and it’s only fair

[grand sun]

@fluid carbon , where should I direct the HVTOL that’ll be taking the LS to the Shovel’s build site?

[fluid carbon]

@twin girder
Banksia VTOL bay "G" is open and ready for your arrival!

[grand sun]

Condor, you are cleared for launch!

[somber apex]

what's with the Crow shuffling? xD 🐦‍⬛

[somber apex]

what's the 95th AW? ('air wing'?)

[chilly iris]

We need the space on Hoover to be able to pick up the LS from Atlas for the airfield

[willow sinew]

The player for 95th AW is away and out of service for at least this next couple of rounds, we need to unload everyone on their unit.

[somber apex]

oh I thought we were already holding on to that
I see

[somber apex]

oh it's a player unit
it sounded like a group unit name xP

[chilly iris]

The transports we were on before self-deploying didn’t have any supplies on them

[somber apex]

ahhh oki

I wonder if we can reuse those transports for supplies and med-evac later

[chilly iris]

It would be similar ones to the junkers that the other BGs have, but I think because we self deployed Cap might be hesitant to just give us one

I’m sure the other BGS will use their transports for evacuations or exfills though

[grand sun]

They didn’t have supplies, just BG transportation.

[chilly iris]

Dave do you know if the cruise ship wreckage the Lumarians mentioned last turn is the one on the strat map near the Alden gate or the small ship wreckage near the Lussan gate?

[grand sun]

Prolly the Alden now that I think about it.

[chilly iris]

Gotcha

Also we’re just waiting on three people for their orders, filled out the google sheet for you

[cunning shell]

I wonder if they are using the lussan gate now to evacuate people now

[grand sun]

Nice! Thanks! Weekends are a bit more difficult for me to keep up.

[grand sun]

The batch that were on the strat point with the gate left, idk past that. lol, tho the question arises…where did they go?

🤔 and are the Feds locked out since the bots messed with the gate codes?

[cunning shell]

Huh so there’s a good chance we could be stuck here now

Wouldn’t the Feds have a overriding codes

Or why not hack the gate to make it a temporary one way until the problem is resolved

[chilly iris]

I think it was more we got our codes from pirates so we could get in through a back door but the Feds have to get the actual codes and use the “right” way to arrive at the gate

[cunning shell]

But who made the gates

[chilly iris]

No idea

[cunning shell]

Because if it’s the Feds then shouldn’t they have a override code that gives them a temporary fix control to make a one way trip

[chilly iris]

True

Cap’s briefing for the campaign mentions that we’re the closest FTL capable force so hopefully that just means the Feds will show up eventually with their own force

[grand sun]

Watch the feds not actually use the gates.

[cunning shell]

Could see them using hyper rings

[twin girder]

@grand sun orders in. can you please double check

[cursive rapids]

Also did we ever figure out who my 3rd passenger is?

[grand sun]

Looks good to me. I’ll confirm again tomorrow when I process.

[grand sun]

#1384286773068435587 message

[hidden scaffold]

Fey, squire and Pillbox

[cursive rapids]

only Hera I see is a HAT

ok cool

[hidden scaffold]

Two LM and one infantry

All of their orders are submitted

[cursive rapids]

cool ty orders posted

I'll get em there...they may not be happy about it but they'll get there

[hidden scaffold]

lol just read your RP 😂

[cursive rapids]

I aint playing about those pretzels

[hidden scaffold]

They do sound good

[cursive rapids]

10/10 can't make a 15 hour round trip flight without them

[fluid carbon]

It's HOOVER that's picking up the LS right?

[hidden scaffold]

Yes #1387899686135791756 message

[cunning shell]

Correct

[hidden scaffold]

That is a cool background

[fluid carbon]

thanks! Shout-out "The Expanse" for the best sci-fi TV show out there

[cunning shell]

Dang that looks great

How many bays are there

[fluid carbon]

Here's the full size (WIP)

[cunning shell]

Huh okay

[fluid carbon]

-# it's a bit over the top, but I've been riding high since Shack used a bunch of screenshots of my work for midrounds ^.^

[hidden scaffold]

Always great to have a nice visual representation of the game.
Also love the sitreps you do

Really gives the feeling of being part of a TF

[cursive rapids]

lol picket line Shmo

[violet sparrow]

Posted my orders

Donner needs some combat soon or she is gonna lose it trying to make her beverage supply last lol

[hidden scaffold]

Next turn probably

[violet sparrow]

Oh yeah most likely

[grand sun]

Mix us in with Atlas’s fighter wing

[grand sun]

Haha, awesome RP and I appreciate the formation freedoms

[somber apex]

how many weeks did the last big Campaign go on for?

[grand sun]

Lemme check my order tracker from last campaign…

Turn 7 saw the last of the units extract from Titan.

[cunning shell]

I can’t believe Falcon

I saw the order

[surreal canyon]

6 weeks with 1 order per week, if memory serves. Ah AutoDave says 7 turns, so 7 weeks.

[versed locust]

High command is definitely gonna fire him after this one

[versed locust]

Isn’t this one more like 2 turns a week? I mean orders are only 3 or 4 days apart.

[grand sun]

6 turns for most. 7th didn’t have a map, but it still happened (thank goodness)

Heads up @peak terrace , orders are due <t:1751839186:R>

[peak terrace]

sorry about that delay

Ive been really behind on this shit

[grand sun]

No worries! That’s why TCOs send the reminders

Help everyone hit the deadlines so they can participate and we can try to keep our MIA reports at a minimum.

[surreal canyon]

Yea this one has double the turns per week, not sure how long it will go for.

[grand sun]

Uncharted territory

[chilly iris]

Especially with multiple maps/locations this campaign

[versed locust]

@grand sun I just realized I messed up, I’m only able to hold 5 small supply per slot, so I should have 10 SS, not 12. Should I resubmit the order with updated details or is it a small enough mistake that I don’t need to repost it to correct it

[grand sun]

Small enough that I can just correct it when I process.

[grand sun]

No worries!

[versed locust]

Alright, thanks a million!

[fluid carbon]

If you've got a formation, send it over to @tribal gorge , our squad leader. We've got 4 fighters who'd love some more action next turn!

[grand sun]

I haven’t done one yet, but I’ll keep that in mind…especially for next round.

I’ve at least a couple fighters itching to fire.

[cursive rapids]

Doesnt seem like we're under threat

[violet sparrow]

that's the problem 😛

[versed locust]

In the event that we do get into a fight I should be able to help some fighters rearm with the small supply I (hopefully) secured from the station

[tribal gorge]

Hello, yes feel free to ping me and we can coordinate. This round we are rearming.

[fluid carbon]

Maybe 2 fighter squads of 5, one in atmo, one in high orbit?

we've got 10 between us

[grand sun]

I’ll mark you down in my notes and keep you posted. We’ll be joining the fleet this round.

[fluid carbon]

we'll have zero intel going in, so we gotta cover our bases :/

[grand sun]

Rabbit and Iron Hammer are pushing to Crossroads as well, right? They should get us the intel. I’m a little nervous sending aerospace into low atmo without at least a little knowledge of what’s down there.

[fluid carbon]

oh, this turn? sweet

never mind then, time to chillax

[grand sun]

It’d obviously be up to the fighters. I have some that were hoping to backline escort vs others that wanted to do gun runs.

[grand sun]

Those 2 wouldn’t be on the ground in crossroads this round, but both are moving that direction if I’m remembering correctly

I did think about keeping multiple waves to ensure we offset the rearming. Keep fighters ready at all times that way and don’t crowd the fight decks…but we’ll see how things actually shape up

[plucky river]

Iron hammer will if I understand them correctly.
Rabbit won't

But I'm not 100% on Iron hammer's plans

[grand sun]

Iron Hammer have ground speed 2+?

[fluid carbon]

Maybe with their logi-truck dumping supply

[plucky river]

I forgot that they were 1 speed

I was thinking of Venator

[tribal gorge]

Exactly where my mind was at, it's probably better to have continuous fighter coverage than having on and off turns.

[fluid carbon]

We've got 10 flight deck capacity, so our 3 HATs and a few of yours could hide inside during the transition

and 6 vtol capacity as well

that's probably not enough for all of you, but a whole bunch for sure

not to mention 7 cargo bays

(depending on how many refugees we evacuate)

[plucky river]

Cargo bays would need to store the whole BG.
Then no one can fight.

[grand sun]

I’ll float it to the group for next round. This round is all about just getting to y’all and getting the LS loaded so we’re ready when the Shovels hit the dirt.

[fluid carbon]

they can still deploy their HATs and VTOLs from cargo bays while in space.

through our flight decks

[plucky river]

Yes, but then everyone needs to leave using your DC

Until they are all out

[grand sun]

It’s a non-issue anyway. My vote would be to hide behind y’all rather than parked inside. But we’ll see how the others are feeling in a couple days

[fluid carbon]

Totally fair. Looking at just 212's numbers, we can take all of you and launch them all at once same turn.

[grand sun]

Yeah, 16 units is more bit sized than most. Haha

[fluid carbon]

Yea, I'm glad you're here! Just let us know, and we'll keep y'all safe.

[grand sun]

😜 next campaign tho…I’ve got ideas for next campaign that include starting recruitment from the start. Lol

[fluid carbon]

If you got room for some PAI with an Autocannon...
-# and I survive...

[grand sun]

😎 we shall see

[plucky river]

That's a crazy idea
🤫 We don't want others thinking that too

[cursive rapids]

Lmao but then EVERYONE is gonna do it

And its gonna get banned

[grand sun]

lol, in all honestly I’m gonna be sitting down in a few weeks and putting together a list in preparation. Units and their use cases as they relate to a logi/support BG. If I can’t think of one, and the person can’t pitch me one…I don’t want bench warmers.

[cursive rapids]

But getting more logi concentrated and managed under our banner would be nice

[cursive rapids]

Lol likesn interview?

[grand sun]

I mean…in a way.

Your unit type isn’t on the list? Convince me why I should add it.

[cursive rapids]

that makes sense

[fluid carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-interview-doe-winter-deer-interview-gif-16806606910500140994

Uhh... gun go boom good?

[cursive rapids]

How much req are we getting from this again? 5?

[fluid carbon]

5 big ones 😄

[cursive rapids]

noice

[fluid carbon]

pretty stoked honestly

[grand sun]

Captain likes BGs whose theme and purpose is clear. And I like the idea of BGs filling in each other’s gaps.

[cursive rapids]

I agree with that

I know we're supposed to let people do there own thing

[grand sun]

5 if you live, 4 if you’re KIA/MIA

[cursive rapids]

But I'd rather work with some locked in deadly mfers that want to fulfill a purpose

[fluid carbon]

na, yea it's a good thought. Taskforce is great for me cuz I can bring my own drop pods.

[cursive rapids]

lmao

[grand sun]

I mean, do your own thing! lol, but do it with others who want to do similar.

[cursive rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/jensen-ackles-pointing-smiling-supernatural-dean-winchester-gif-11379335554187487189

[fluid carbon]

yea exactly. Sir, you joined the logistics fleet, why are you lamenting our lack of firepower?

[cursive rapids]

lmao

Ok so...Ive been brain storming how iwant to spend the haul...and believe it or not and this might shock you

I was looking at an orbital

And brainstorming an atmospheric assault ship

Just a BIG landing ship acclimator style

But this atmo fuel is kinda vague. So for a cruiser I would have 1 turn of atmo fuel

so That means I can enter atmo spend one full turn there and then have to leave?

[fluid carbon]

Landing doesn't consume fuel, but ending your turn in the atmosphere does

so yea, 1 turn

[cursive rapids]

so...is there anyway to refuel an orbital while its in atmo

[fluid carbon]

Not this campaign, atmo fuel can never be refilled, even with LS

You might have more fun with an Attack Corvette:
3x Foreward AC.

Packs a punch in space, but also has the Atmo-fuel to fly down and do HEAVY air support

[cursive rapids]

Its not air support Im trying to bring

We've been doing alot of looking around trying to find LS to snag from whoever to bring it where it needs to go

Im just gonna have it a VTOL deck and Flight deck and some Point Defense Turrets

maybe an infantry barracks

[fluid carbon]

That's most of Atlas pretty much

[cursive rapids]

Oh yea?

[fluid carbon]

Cargo bays, PDCs, Flight Decks and VTOL bays

[cursive rapids]

Well then nvm lol

[fluid carbon]

but the gear goes with the crews

so if you have a hull, you can fill it with other players

[cursive rapids]

I love how Im trying to find a niche that needs filling within the fleet logistics system but it seems this bunch loves to fill those niches hahah

[fluid carbon]

to redesign your ship each campaign

[cursive rapids]

thats nifty tho

[fluid carbon]

yea, nothing else like it, love this game

[cursive rapids]

Its been fun its come a long way since C1

[cunning shell]

makes some soup

Anyone want soup

[hasty garden]

Sure, send some over in a fuel line 😂

[cunning shell]

Hmmm it’s gonna be tricky

We’re in a zero G environment

What position are you in

In the formation we have

[dapper quartz]

I wouldn't be opposed to doing orbital stuff either, if you'd be looking for crew.

[hidden scaffold]

Rabbit is going with the transports above Cross Roads

[somber apex]

what did I miss?

[somber apex]

so true bestie

[cursive rapids]

Eh I was talking with Ixen about it seems like the niche i thought needed filling was quite full

[cunning shell]

I made soup

Dave you want some soup

[chilly iris]

What kind of soup is it

[cunning shell]

Chicken noodle soup with some ingredients you can add for personal preference

[versed locust]

Oh, I do have a small item teleporter on board up front. It’s usually for mission related packages to and from the command chain and science departments but I’m sure I can make an exception this one time

[chilly iris]

Sweet

[somber apex]

put noodles in and it's ramen

[cunning shell]

That’s why it’s a personal preference kit you can mix with your soup

[somber apex]

poggers

[grand sun]

Naw. Thanks for the offer tho

[grand sun]

apparently I had the mouse in the wrong spot...

[chilly iris]

ARMCO TRAINING GROUNDS

[grand sun]

@cunning shell and @versed locust , y'all good with that representation of y'all's RP?

[grand sun]

😅 yeah...it's the table's title and if I'm not careful about where my mouse is when I start the screenshot...well...yeah

[versed locust]

Yeah that’s good. Only thing that may be a little confusing is that by “our company” I mean my literal player company, not ARMCO as a whole or anything like that, but I feel it’s fine how it is

[grand sun]

🤣 I thought you meant Armco when I read it

[versed locust]

Ahh, that’s mb for being a little too vague then..

If I had meant all of ARMCO I feel like I would be kicked out from an angry mob

[grand sun]

I can either leave as is, or I can update with your company's name...your call

I gotta do a new screenshot or two before I turn in anyway.

[versed locust]

Maybe just change it to “my company” and add a footnote clarifying he means his player company, not ARMCO as a whole

Or actually I guess you could just add the company name, so “my company, the Galactic Patrol, …”

[hidden scaffold]

Minor correction but maybe mark one of the Shovel HATs as not part of the formation

Especially when I have to mark them down as perma MIA next turn

[grand sun]

Perma for sure! Wasn't sure if you wanted me to keep em this round. I'll remove and maybe reshuffle a bit since we have an even number of em now.

[grand sun]

“Ok listen, I know the supplies I want are pretty expensive, but I assure you that my company, the Galactic Patrol, can pay you back double the initial cost in exactly three days time! Is that not enough to persuade you? I mean really, were you ever going to use this stuff anyway, think about it”

[hidden scaffold]

Seems reasonable

[grand sun]

Condor is full of FSh, so made sense to me for them to be flying back with y'all

[versed locust]

That’s great. Thanks Dave! Sorry for vagueness before, I personally just don’t like listing my company name much because it feels very self-centered in a game that’s supposed to be all about collaboration with others

[dapper quartz]

Okay. Are you at all interested in filling another niche?

[grand sun]

You think good enough like this, or should I do multiple and stitch em together for higher quality?

[fluid carbon]

When the time comes, if you need to dock to Atlas for supply/repairs/whatever...
Atlas ATC

[grand sun]

Got it added to my open tab list

[fluid carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-procesor-gif-13655318664473021666

[grand sun]

😅 I choose to ignore what my tab count does to my machine

I also make it a habit to not count all the tabs

[plucky river]

Dave, you pain me

[grand sun]

😜 you want me to count the browsers, windows, and tabs?

[somber apex]

if you open a dictionary and look in the example section for the definition of psychopathy you'll find this message

[grand sun]

I have my good and bad days with keeping windows clean...and it's much easier when a mega isn't ongoing

[somber apex]

you know that's what bookmarks are for right?

[grand sun]

Yup Yup! Bookmark folders too

I did just look, and I'm actually not that busy atm.

I do also run a 4 monitor setup at my home office, so it's not as crowded either

[plucky river]

4 Monitors with a dozen windows each

[grand sun]

naw

• 1x Brave
• 2x Brave (1x work, 1x job search), 1x Chrome
• Discord, Slack
• 1x Brave, 1x Firefox

[somber apex]

needs 8 monitors for only 6 tabs per screen

what's Brave?

[grand sun]

https://brave.com/

[somber apex]

ahhh neat

why also chrome and firefox?

[cunning shell]

Yeah that works for me

[grand sun]

Chrome catches discord attachments and is the recording accounts for the pathfinder sessions I'm in on Friday nights. Firefox is one recommended for me to switch to, but I haven't left Brave yet.

I do Web Development, so I also need to preview web pages from time to time on multiple different browsers to make sure they all display the page correctly.

I'll never truly get rid of Chrome, Firefox, and Safari for that reason

[hollow bear]

Ello chaps

I’m here to ask you a favour

…send help venator ran into fighters

[hidden scaffold]

Integrated addblocker too

[chilly iris]

I mean we do kinda need something to do after next turn…

[hollow bear]

Fair

With a ask

[grand sun]

Once the airfield is setup in Crossroads, we'll be able to assess things better. Rest assured, we are watching y'all's advance. Assisting y'all was always part of our plan, though it was admittedly easier when y'all were attacking Ziyal from Crossroads meaning our LMs could be on the ground for it.

There's also a "Fire Support Requests" tab on the C5 Logistical Hub sheet that might get the attention of others as well.

[cursive rapids]

That scan from Dawnbringer looks midly to severly terrifying

[grand sun]

Yeah…

[cunning shell]

Hmmm it’s okay

[cunning shell]

There’s 10 small supplies in falcon

[grand sun]

Locally sourced

[cunning shell]

Oooo I wonder starts rummaging through the supplies dang no chocolate

Dave what was the list of things were bringing

[grand sun]

• coffee
• chocolate
• more coffee
• more chocolate

😜 not sure I understand the question

[chilly iris]

A pre-fab bunker, 10 small supplies, 1 large supply, 5 LMs, 1 INF and 1 ENGI

And a positive attitude

[cunning shell]

But chocolate

[chilly iris]

Maybe the bots have some

[cunning shell]

Doubt

[chilly iris]

Or we can use their factories to make chocolate

[cunning shell]

But from what

[chilly iris]

You ever hear of corpsestarch?

[cunning shell]

Not happening

That wouldn’t produce the best results

[grand sun]

Yeah, that’s the official load out. Got it listed on the order and in the sheet.

[cunning shell]

Hmm so you lied about the coffee and chocolate

[grand sun]

Where do you see a description of what’s in those 10 small supplies?

[cunning shell]

Definitely not chocolate or coffee

[chilly iris]

I just couldn’t tell if Zeta was looking for what we have for combat purpose or chocolate purposes

[chilly iris]

Maybe it’s what medics give to heal troops

[cunning shell]

There’s only one way to find out

[grand sun]

Naw, I’m with ya! lol, I wasn’t sure either

[grand sun]

Listen, I find it very unlikely that an outfit organized be the Captain would have supplies that didn’t include at least coffee.

[cunning shell]

How certain are you with this information

[willow sinew]

You don’t know what happened the last time the captain ran out of coffee

[cunning shell]

Negative I don’t

[willow sinew]

Nor do I, it is talked about only in hushed terms and I am not highly ranked enough to be in the know

[cunning shell]

Dresden might know

[willow sinew]

I heard the whole fleet had to switch to decaf thi

*tho

Probably

[cunning shell]

Hate to hurt your feelings but I don’t drink coffee

It makes me sleep

[willow sinew]

Nor do I

Milk”TEA”man

But from what I can tell, it’s apparently pretty bad

[cunning shell]

Yeah I see that too

[willow sinew]

Some people live off coffee

And tea

Tea also has caffeine

[cunning shell]

I can only think of some people here who drink nothing but coffee

I heard that too

Anyway

[cunning shell]

There’s gotta be a list of things a small supplies have

[willow sinew]

Yes

Let me find it

[grand sun]

You find it?

[willow sinew]

Can’t find it but basically
SS- ammo, medical supplies artillery shells, spare parts, what a basic unit needs to run.
MS- more critical supplies like better medicine, fuel, generators, what is needed to keep a larger fob running
LS- 1/2 a representation of logistical capacity (deploying BGs, launching sorties, ect.) 1/2 vital infrastructure and parts needed to build and keep a HQ running (I assume like nuclear generators and fuel rods, stasis pods ect)

Sorry took a bit to type

[grand sun]

Found it! [small supply](#1384286773068435587 message)

[grand sun]

Yeah, something like that

[willow sinew]

🤦 no, your right

Fair

I can’t even be mad

[cunning shell]

So no coffee or chocolate

[grand sun]

lol, couldn’t resist.

[willow sinew]

Rations probably in MS and LA

[grand sun]

Naw, those would be special items…kinda like tea.

Each unit is responsible for their core pack. The supplies are just to replenish general items.

[willow sinew]

Yeah TEA

Much tea

[grand sun]

😜 figured I’d use language you’d understand.

Dave keeps coffee stocked in both the Fertile Crescent (my company’s RP flagship) and Sumer’s cockpit. But that personal equipment, not Armco issued supplies.

[willow sinew]

Best just get a new vice than try to get coffee from shack

[cunning shell]

Ok then

[versed locust]

“Hey, stop going through the stuff! Some of this is live ordinance, ya know! If your hungry just come up front. Your more than welcome to have some of the chocolate from my ration cabinets, just don’t eat all of it please”

[cunning shell]

“Well it’s not that hard to repack and isn’t the ordinance kinda defused until prepared for use”

[fluid carbon]

Let me know what you think!

For our route to Crossroads

[dapper quartz]

Me and Mirror have an RP thing where Mirror's my Wingman, so ideally I'd be one step further to the front - not that it'll matter, hopefully.
I'd query the chance of being bounced from, say, 5 or 7 o'clock where we don't really have many guns, but rejigging the formation isn't my perogative... prerogative? Place to choose.

Pending what Mirror and everyone else says, of course.

[cunning shell]

Looks great

[somber apex]

yeeee

I don't know the mechanics well enough
what would we need to do to cover those potential weaknesses

[willow sinew]

Had to make some changes to this because of Shovel’s MIA people.

This is it now

[cunning shell]

Nooo

[cunning shell]

That’s a lot of people gone

[willow sinew]

2

One hat one vtol

It messed up the symmetry

[somber apex]

are they absent this week or what happened?

[hidden scaffold]

One never submitted an order and the other is without signal till mid July

[cunning shell]

Dang

Hopefully they come back

[hidden scaffold]

After two turns MIA we need to note you down as perma MIA

[cunning shell]

So there just permanently gone

[hidden scaffold]

Jup

Would love to keep it longer running but I don’t make the rules and somewhere needs to be the cutoff

[willow sinew]

Is it after 2 turns or after the TF/BG leaves the area it’s in

[cunning shell]

Morning Dave

He is here

So what do you people think is going to happen on the way to the crossroads

[cursive rapids]

We might get shot at

Probably not

[cunning shell]

Nah nah

I had a crazy idea

Ask pathfinder to launch the missile into the enemy gate

No more reinforcements

Unless the federation was coming through that way then crap

[versed locust]

That.. actually might work if it’s a conventional warhead, but we would have to check with locals that it wouldn’t screw things up too bad if we did. Obviously we want to avoid collateral with something like that

[cunning shell]

But saying that the federation would probably love it if we kinda didn’t shoot a massive missile from there listening post

[versed locust]

At this point I don’t really believe it’s a “listening post”

[fluid carbon]

Some swaps for wingmen preferences, and now with Rabbit and Iron Hammer units! (They're not in the formation).

[oblique pecan]

(we're not in the formation)

[fluid carbon]

Vous n'etes pas dans le formation.

[oblique pecan]

la*

[fluid carbon]

Los Formacionnes

[oblique pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[oblique pecan]

si

[dapper quartz]

This is the ARMCO server. That doesn't really apply here...

[grand sun]

what's up @dapper quartz ?

[dapper quartz]

I thought that was the formation we were in last turn.

[grand sun]

(I saw your ❓ )

[dapper quartz]

So either Shack used the wrong formation or we had to submit orders before seeing the results of the last ones.

[grand sun]

Slight shift, but largely the same

[dapper quartz]

It's not... this one?
...Duh, I guess, why would it be this one?

[grand sun]

Y'all all used ADVANCE this round, and Condor slid back since Flying Shovels lost a HAT, and Crow is no longer under Hoover

[fluid carbon]

-# cuz I overprepare and did tonight's homework last night

[grand sun]

next round

This round was getting to Atlas and loading the LS

[dapper quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/no-brain-loading-slow-gif-8465847256202919615

[grand sun]

😜 me before my coffee...

[fluid carbon]

stealing that one lol

[dapper quartz]

Straight off of Tenor, second result when I put in "buffering"/

But anyway... so we are in Elim High Orbit right now.

Which means that next round we can either descend to disembark supplies (which I imagine will be what the Shovels will be doing, along with their airfield) or maybe fly off to those fast-moving contacts.

[fluid carbon]

all depends on what Rabbit finds in Crossroads

[dapper quartz]

Which are between us and them... Rabbit are going to Crossroads, huh?

[fluid carbon]

this turn, midrounds still pending

[dapper quartz]

...Can we even get to Crossroads next round?

[fluid carbon]

100%

[dapper quartz]

How does movement between zones work?

[fluid carbon]

Strategic and Tactical movement are interchangable. We can spend 1 speed to go from Elim to Crossroads, then you, a Fighter, would have 6 speed left.

[dapper quartz]

Right, okay, that makes sense IG

[fluid carbon]

If there are hostiles in orbit, we gotta use the tac-map, otherwise, you can descend into atmo for 3.5 speed, leaving you with 2.5 left on the ground map.

[dapper quartz]

So I could in theory bog off to the Alden Gate if for some reason the bots were friendly towards me, and still have 1 movement left?

[fluid carbon]

-# believe me it took a LONG conversation with Shack to nail that down, and I'm pretty sure I annoyed him into a coma

[fluid carbon]

only if you didn't encounter any hostiles in space, (and your Battlegroup had enough speed to go with you)

[plucky river]

If you stayed with your BG yes.

[dapper quartz]

Because BGs move as one unit, I assume?

[grand sun]

Stratigic Layer movement, yeah (besides Sorties)

[fluid carbon]

kinda like cruising engines and maneuvering engines

"Lock S-foils in attack position"

[dapper quartz]

Right, I think I get it.
I have stuff to do now, g2g, I may or may not have questions tomorrow. Etc.

[grand sun]

Alrighty team, new maps are out! We now can see into Crossroads even if we're lacking actual intel

[chilly iris]

Looks like it’s mostly factories and maybe some defenses or logi

[fluid carbon]

We're still voting, but we've received a request for air support from Venator. Are you all comfortable holding this map yourself or would you like ODT support?

[grand sun]

Based on what we know, I'm hoping this is a bit of a backline for them with them assuming their forward group in Elim was the leading edge

[grand sun]

Taking it ourself? I have doubts...but with Rabbit and Iron Hammer also operating in the area, I think we'd be able to handle it if y'all went to aid Venator. At least for a bit...having orbitals missing from the map does have me nervous...

[fluid carbon]

same

[dapper quartz]

By "This map" are you referring to Elim or Crossroads?

[fluid carbon]

crossroads

[grand sun]

Their vote is where to go after. We're all still commited to getting to Crossroads

[fluid carbon]

T6 we're escorting you, and maybe dropping ODTs to help you take Crossroads. If you don't need us, we'll go to C-Z next and help out Venator, cuz they got NO FIGHTERS to deal with the airborne bots over there.

[dapper quartz]

And I guess we don't need to double-dip on fighters at crossroads

[fluid carbon]

yea, like we could do a massive double-air strike

or just let you handle it and save our fighters for Venator

it's 6:3 in favor of the latter rn

[dapper quartz]

I don't think we have any bombers, just... everything else airborne.

But then we don't need bombers to provide air cover and logistics support

And so on and so forth... I'm not in TF2, etc.

[fluid carbon]

I think fighters can still attack buildings

but they could prioritize ground/air targets instead

[grand sun]

I wouldn't have turned them down...but none showed interest and they were all in a TF so the "rearming" selling point I could offer y'all, they already had

[dapper quartz]

For what it's worth I wanted to buy rockets but misclicked in the shop and got the missile instead

That's how I learned the shop has no confirmation window.

[grand sun]

Gotcha!!

Yeah, I fortunately learned that with the HVTOL refit...which I was going to get anyway, but was gonna hold a bit first

[versed locust]

Imma assume that I was able to get the supplies because nothing was said otherwise. Yay!

[grand sun]

lol, that's how I'm playing it too

If he doesn't call something out (either in the open or in TCO) then I'm gonna assume what I turned in happened

[versed locust]

I believe we have the LS too, so are we headed straight to crossroads or do we hold out for a little and help supply the city?

[grand sun]

You have 10x SS and Hoover is in Atlas's VTOL Bay with a LS loaded.

We'll enter Crossroads Strat Point this round. The question being, do we descend this round or next. I'm watching Atlas and Rabbit with their deployment plans. I think there's a decent chance we'll have some Rabbits deploying to the airfield construction site, so I think I'd like to descend this round too and get the airfield up quick to get everyone into the fight and our primary purpose finally being possible.

[cursive rapids]

Agreed delaying would allow the enemy to get troops positioned to shoot AT us

Id rather be safe in the ground or safe in orbit preparing to bring more gear to the surface

[versed locust]

If we decent to low orbit does the entire group have to descend or can we send some down (half of the fighters, VTOLs) and keep the rest in high orbit (HATs, other half of fighters)

[cursive rapids]

Dave wants us to stay together

Id agree in this case splitting us up only weakens coverage of the second group

[grand sun]

BG just have to stay in the same Strat point. Ground, Low, and High are all considered the same Strat Point

[versed locust]

Ok. In that case it may be smarter to keep a bulk in high orbit (VTOLs, HATs, some fighter) and only send a few down to low orbit until that airfield is built, because it can only be build next turn since the HVTOL can’t land the supply down until then

[grand sun]

Hoover's LS has to be down for the engineers to build the airfield

[fluid carbon]

Possible plan in the works:

Atlas pays 1LS to Sortie our combined 10 fighters to point C-Z to attack enemy air-units and return, relieving Venator immediately

[grand sun]

Would it be 1LS or 2 since it's actually 2 groups running Sorties (just working together)?

[fluid carbon]

I'd have to ask, since we're in the same location, I bet we could swing 1

if you're gonna be using them here though, no worries

in fact, that'd make everything easier

[grand sun]

I also haven't seen from Shovels on what they want to do. I could see the potential for paradrops and HVTOLs to go down initially to get everything going and then a second wave for the landing and offloading of vehicles.

[grand sun]

I could see 1, but I could easily see 2 as well since "Sortie" is an action and we'd both have to take that in order for both groups of fighters to go.

[fluid carbon]

either way, just figure out if you wanna deploy your fighters here first

[grand sun]

My initial thought would be that us keeping them here gives us the air cover while y'all are away. We could also be 1 round behind if that's what the 212th wanted to do and give a relief force as your fighters are having to rearm. Again working the wave system. I also think that a turn delay on air support isn't that bad if y'all wanted to move the TF rather than doing a Sortie

[fluid carbon]

agreed

[hidden scaffold]

We could drop in Elim and fly in low orbit to Cross Roads. We would avoid potential high orbit fleets arriving

[fluid carbon]

No High orbit fleets in Crossroads 🙂

[hidden scaffold]

That is good!

[cursive rapids]

Does low orbit take atmo fuel?

[hidden scaffold]

Though I meant arriving fleets

[grand sun]

That'd bring us into the tac map around 3717 right?

[hidden scaffold]

Active flying yes. Descending and landing or ascending doesn't

[hidden scaffold]

It might. I just guessed with my map

[grand sun]

I'd have to do the math, but I'm not sure Hoover would have enough movement to make it down to the build site unless they descend basically over the dropsite.

They could always be taking a different approach tho since all that matters is Strat Points

[hidden scaffold]

So high orbit gives us the freedom of choosing our dropsite?

[grand sun]

That's what I see from the system (at least in this case since there's a tac map down there but not in high orbit)

[cursive rapids]

Do we have anyone with the movement to scan ahead of us?

[grand sun]

Rabbit will be landing this round, Iron Hammer will be coming in this round in the Top Left corner, and Atlas will be high orbit (but might not deploy to allow for them to move out next round)

[fluid carbon]

We'll be scanning Crossroads this turn

2 scanners, 1 comm-int

[onyx bone]

Beat me to it

[hidden scaffold]

Pretty clear we would submit the Tac Maps after Rabbit

[fluid carbon]

oh please, go ahead, I'm gonna take a break

[onyx bone]

Well deserved

[ebon river]

Are we going to have an airfield to land at this turn?

And if not, are we bringing everything in, staying over the city, or sortieing some assets and leaving the rest?

[grand sun]

We'll be in the Crossroads Strat Point. I think we will likely be descending and having an airfield by the end of this turn. Still watching Rabbit and Shovels to see what they're doing to make sure.

[ebon river]

So mechs will probably be dirtside shooting this turn?

[grand sun]

Looks like Rabbit is going to be landing around 3721 or 3820 and then fanning out. Means 212th and Shovels could drop around the same place in a second wave and get everything going. Shovels can have the airfield up in a single round, which means the HATs should be able to land and offload as a wave 3 type thing.

[grand sun]

That's my goal and it looks like a very real possibility.

Even have a potential mission to scout Nerys Village next round...but figured we'd figure this round out before voting on next round.

[ebon river]

Would we be doing the scouting, or just following along with supply if needed?

[grand sun]

This round or are you talking about the idea for next round?

[ebon river]

Next round

And if we’re losing our fighter cover, I can try to ward off any hostile fliers

[grand sun]

Next round we'd potentially be the scouting group. Pop in, see if it's clear, call for help and potentially fall back to Crossroads if it's not clear.

Most of the groups that could check Nerys is being pulled in other directions, so we'd just be having a glance to see. (Storm's poll hasn't closed on if they'll go to Nerys or Hill Mine this round)

[grand sun]

I have no doubt that your time will come regardless of if we have all our fighters or not. lol

[fluid carbon]

do you have any room left in your HATs?

/VTOLs?

-# we might be bringing Redwall with us

[grand sun]

For boots, yeah some...but not for vehicles

@fluid carbon ^

[fluid carbon]

boots are all i need

3x INF total?

[grand sun]

At the moment, yeah

2x in VTOLs and 1x in a HAT

would we just be helping them get down?

[fluid carbon]

yea, just a paradrop

and literally wherever is convenient for you

[grand sun]

Are you still short any?

[fluid carbon]

still counting

we got em'

🙂

BARELY

with your 3 slots

[grand sun]

That said...are we only saving them 1 round at the cost of having to delay the transports from descending by a round?

[hidden scaffold]

So those 3 will only drop in turn 7?

[grand sun]

I'm still adjusting to the orbital stuff, so I was slow to catch...but I don't think it actually saves any time and it delays the deployment of other units.

[hidden scaffold]

@fluid carbon could please explain what the idea is for the redeployment of Redwall?
Is that even possible with Picket line only having one speed?

[fluid carbon]

Picket Line has 2 speed. 1 to ascend from Elim Spaceport, 1 to move into Crossroads.
There are no hostile orbitals in High Orbit, so we can paradrop/orbital drop all Redwall Infantry simultaneously

[hidden scaffold]

But the 212 HAT is not yet landed on Atlas

And is the whole BG of Redwall redeploying by orbital? I remember them being rather big

[fluid carbon]

It doesn't need to.

"Fleet Deployment Capacity" rules let us deploy as much as we're capable of deploying.

we can move units around within the fleet

[hidden scaffold]

Well isn't it important for the turn 6 deployment?

HATs can only land or start not both in one turn

[hidden scaffold]

oh jeez that is really a dance with the coherency rule

Might work

[fluid carbon]

exaclty

I'm hoping a nice pretty picture makes everyone think it's ok

XD

[hidden scaffold]

well there is ONE person that needs to think that is okay

[fluid carbon]

yes

asked in Tac-Com chat

so stand by I guess

[grand sun]

Good news is worst case scenario, they're in Crossroads T7 along with Phalanx.

[fluid carbon]

Here's the Manifest with the three vehicles we'd be borrowing
Link

[grand sun]

Your plan was nice, but at least the ruling only delay's their arrival by a round.

[fluid carbon]

yea, I tried

oh well, easier this way I guess

[grand sun]

My idea for this round:

• Wave 1: Rabbit lands their ore haulers and fans out
• Wave 2: Flying Shovels, 212th fighters, Hoover, Sumer, Puffin, and Condor descend
  • Flying Shovels, Puffin, and Condor paradrop boots to airfield site
  • Hoover lands and unloads the LS for the construction
  • Sumer lands and deploys the prefab Bunker for airfield defense
  • 212th fighters fly air cover
• Wave 3: Flying Shovel HATs and 212th HATs land and unload their vehicles.

Any comments, thoughts, concerns?

[versed locust]

Can Hoover land because I think you can’t take off and land in the same round, and Hoover is currently landed in the VTOL bay

[grand sun]

Can't take off and land in a Bay in the same round...but Hoover can take off from a bay and land on the ground.

VTOLs don't normally have the take off and land limitation, but it's specifically written into the Bay's description

[versed locust]

Ah ok, that makes sense. In that case yeah, that sounds pretty great then.

[grand sun]

Figured since you have SS and an LM, you didn't need to descend in wave 2 unless you wanted to. Atlas will have fighters in high orbit in case there's a surprise, so we should have protection up there even if the bulk descend.

[hidden scaffold]

Same idea I ha in my head

[grand sun]

@violet sparrow , @surreal canyon , @gusty aurora , @kindred eagle , @dapper quartz , and @somber apex :
What are y'all's thoughts? Any other ideas or anything you'd like to add? We'll be over Crossroads after moving 1 speed, so we'll have plenty for descending and landing.

[kindred eagle]

i am ok in giving air cover

[grand sun]

@hasty garden , @twin girder , @chilly iris , @cursive rapids , @peak terrace :
What are y'all's thoughts? Any other ideas or anything you'd like to add? We'll be over Crossroads after moving 1 speed, so we'll have plenty for descending and landing.

[grand sun]

Sweet! Y'all may get some shots off since y'all will be the first fighters in atmo

[peak terrace]

Just wondering where the normal VTOLs fit in? Are we bringing anything down?

[chilly iris]

Looks pretty good, I was already going to ask about paradropping the engineer I have from Shovels so I don’t have anything to add

[grand sun]

@cunning shell , @ebon river , and @keen vault :
What are y'all's thoughts? Any other ideas or anything you'd like to add? Hope would be to have y'all finally on the ground by the end of the round.

[cunning shell]

I’m reading mid rounds one second

[twin girder]

The faster the better, so I don't miss anything

[grand sun]

y'all are currently running empty, but we'll get you loaded up with at least a couple Small Supply once the Airfield is setup. I was torn on where to suggest y'all and apparently just didn't write you in at all. You could be part of wave 2 or 3 and fit well in either.

[grand sun]

Yeah, figured you and Condor would mirror the Shovel HATs since y'all have Shovels.

[peak terrace]

roger roger, flying target practice

[cunning shell]

I think you have a good point and I have no problem with waiting we just made planetfall so I kinda want to play it safe

[ebon river]

I’m good with the plan

[grand sun]

The intention would be written to make it clear that Rabbit went first, and would be posted after Rabbit's as well.

By the time Wave 2 descends, the LZ and DZ should have a force setup to defend it as well as teams pushing out from it. By the time Wave 3 happens, the airfield is up and we'd have friendly fighters defending the AO along with all the ground defenders.

[versed locust]

Where is the planned location for the airfield being built again? If I can land at it this turn I can probably deploy Crow into the AO as well

[grand sun]

Obviously can't guarantee safety since it's an unknown map...but if it's written out as those waves, we've got the best chance I can think of other than delaying a round and I'm not sure about hanging out in high orbit when Atlas heads off. lol

[peak terrace]

So how exactly should we format our landing orders?

[grand sun]

I think somewhere around the 3820 hex, but I'll get a more specific target once Shovels has locked it in.

[grand sun]

Follow the template and just indicate you're landing and where. If you don't specify that you take back off or if you run out of speed, then we'll leave you landed.

[cunning shell]

Makes sense it’s closer to our side of the map and can be reinforced easily

[versed locust]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-simpsons-now-we-play-the-waiting-game-gif-16327789852622540331

Makes sense.

[grand sun]

It's also a large flat space. But that road is to Nerys Village so a scouting mission to there will either be done by Storm or potentially us.

[cunning shell]

Nerys village do you think they have chocolate

[grand sun]

Prolly the best chocolate on Lumara

[cunning shell]

I volunteer to scout the village

[keen vault]

I think that’s a good plan

I mostly just care about guarding our transports

[grand sun]

For sure! I believe that using a 3 wave system will give us the most safety while also getting us in a position to be able to assist both Crossroads and those surrounding it.

[kindred eagle]

🤔

[cunning shell]

🤔

[twin girder]

as always ping me once ready

[grand sun]

Will do! Just gotta make sure I’ve pitched the idea and not just telling people what to do

[violet sparrow]

Sounds good to me. I am here to escort the HATs 😄

[cunning shell]

2 more rounds before I can finally touch ground

[twin girder]

lol

[grand sun]

2 more rounds? You’ll be in the snow by the weekend.

Tomorrow’s player deadline could include you taking steps out of Falcon

Thursday I’m hoping to declare that the mechs are finally running around in the dirt, and Friday I look forward to seeing Crossroads with an airfield and our forces deployed.

[gusty aurora]

also they almost certainly have AA up right?

[grand sun]

AA is expected and fliers are possible…

[surreal canyon]

Protecting the hats is my priority

[grand sun]

My hope is wave 1 draws most of the fire…things are supposed to prioritize orbitals, and that’s what Rabbit is landing at the proposed construction site in wave 1

[surreal canyon]

At least until they have deployed troops at the very least. I'll work on my order

[cunning shell]

I feel like I’ve been someone’s luggage the whole time

[grand sun]

I’m suggesting fighters in wave 2 to make sure the HATs (that need to drop for the airfield to be built) have added protection. Y’all feel free to draw flight paths like what I’ll ask from the HATs, but I’d recommend not straying far while we await more intel.

[grand sun]

Definitely longer than I had intended. I wasn’t planning on detouring to the rock station and was planning on dropping y’all in Elim and then running basically the rest of the campaign with y’all running under us since you’re basically as fast as a VTOL

[cunning shell]

We’re just that agile of mechs

The only thing we have to look out for is buildings and houses

Stuff you sky peeps wouldn’t have to worry about

[grand sun]

Yeah…but we also can’t dodge bullets like you box walkers. 😜

[gusty aurora]

I can

[grand sun]

Haha, figures a fighter pilot would catch that message. 😆

[versed locust]

With how much chocolate he had raided from my ration cabinet, I’m celebrating that too

Not to mention that falcon probably won’t be getting any more until he manages to pay off the gaping hole in company funds from his supply shenanigans

[weary laurel]

I saw Auto Dave looking at my map so I'm posting yet a more updated map of rabbits plans for this turn

[cunning shell]

I’m hurt by that I know I don’t have a box walker you flying kite

[cunning shell]

I’ll have you know I only took 1/4 of your stock

[grand sun]

Been trying to keep tabs on the BGs involved in this instant airfield thing. Y’all being wave 1, we’ll be leaning on you and admittedly hoping your Ore Haulers draw some attention before our forces come in with waves 2 and 3.

[weary laurel]

Hopefully we can knock out anti-air before you guys get that thing operational

[grand sun]

I’ll be working with Shovels in my morning (I’m central us) to try to work out locations. For ground units, 212th has 3 LMs…so we won’t be able to assist until the airfield is down with that side. But we should be able to give some backup for y’all and I’ll be dropping a prefab bunker that boots can use near the airfield

That said, it might be deployed closer to the Neryl’s pass than the Crossroads town

[hidden scaffold]

Just give me a ping when you are ready. I have some ideas what can be done for optimal deployment

[gusty aurora]

I have work and may not make it back in time so I might just plop my self in the left corner

[willow sinew]

LMs can be paradroped right? Or is it only LVs

[dapper quartz]

I'm up for it if the rest of the fliers are, so...

Submitting my orders now, ping if you want me to change 'em or be more specific.

[hidden scaffold]

Nope

[willow sinew]

Okay

[somber apex]

do we know what the 3 large contacts at Crossroads are yet?

[somber apex]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

[cunning shell]

sips hot chocolate good luck fighters

[somber apex]

I spent all my allowance on flares 🫡

[cunning shell]

Like I said good luck

[dapper quartz]

I don't actually expect to shoot at any bots this turn in particular, I think we'll be doing our shooting next turn.

I sure hope I don't Jinx it but I'm gonna try and save my missile for when I'm out of ammo.

[cunning shell]

I’m looking at how many days it has been since we made our first move here and I have to say I’m confident there’s going to be a lot of targets

Because we’re in a target rich environment

[grand sun]

Give me bout an hour to get the kids dropped off and back to my computer.

[grand sun]

Not yet. Atlas is planning to scan and Rabbit is planning to fan out and send teams out towards those points.

[cunning shell]

Put my order in ping me if I need to fix it

Until then I’m logging off

[grand sun]

ok, @hidden scaffold , I'm at the computer. Looking at the orders I've seen come in for 212th already as well as watching y'all's plans

[hidden scaffold]

Seems like 3280 gets approval

[grand sun]

TBD scan might be somewhere else, dunno, up to Stout

@keen vault I can't accept edited orders.

[violet sparrow]

@grand sun where abouts do you need fighters for air cover? Just want to make sure i get my orders in so I actually am covering people lol

[chilly iris]

@keen vault Plus you might want to unload from my HAT

Or would I need to put that in my order

[versed locust]

@cunning shell if you want you also could unload this round if we resubmit our orders. I have the movement for it if you think you’d be up for it

[keen vault]

Shoot

[keen vault]

Oh I thought we weren’t unloading yet my bad

[grand sun]

So far it's looking like we have a pair to the NE and one to the E of the airfield construction, which is where basically everyone is descending. What do you think?

[cunning shell]

But the airfield isn’t up yet right

[keen vault]

That was what I thought

[grand sun]

HATs are ending their turn on the ground, which means y'all can unload as long as the HATs have enough movement left over.

[cunning shell]

How much movement do you have

[grand sun]

Shovels are dropping enough engineers to build the airfield in a single turn, meaning we should have an airfield in time for y'all to unload.

[cunning shell]

Permission to delete my order to escape my metal cage

Right I can delete my order to repost or replace it right

[grand sun]

I'm doing early mapping, but I'm not actually locking orders in until tonight

[violet sparrow]

3820 being the eastern formation? Or is everyone together with some grouping to the east and others to the NE?

[keen vault]

resumbitted, hope that makes sense

[cunning shell]

Please unload my mech this turn

[grand sun]

Slash is currently placed on the line of 3820/3921. That's what I was calling the Eastern...but so far it's basically been everyone grouped together.

My guess is it's partly due to not knowing anti-air threats, so everyone is staying close for this deployment.

[chilly iris]

Should be good imo, if anything just make sure Dave, Tydeus, or I know if you’re advancing or evasive as you unload

[violet sparrow]

Yeah. I map take a point a little North of the formation. I am wondering if those bigger **?**s are air units. Maybe even bot bombers. I rather position in a blind spot. Make sure they can't make any possible bombing runs on the airfield.

I will submit orders with a map image to help you better on where I am thinking to go. I just wanted a idea of where the groupings were forming 😄 thanks

[hidden scaffold]

I proposed that one HAT with a lot of engineers flies along the lines of the first defense fortifications #1382191881873653833 message

Haven't heard feedback for that yet though

[violet sparrow]

Copy that Syntax. We will see how it turns out. Either way we will do our best to give your people some cover 😉

[cunning shell]

Resubmit

[violet sparrow]

As long as we hit any air units with our attacks, they at least will be intercepted and unable to attack anyone else, so you won't have to worry unless we somehow miss a few or they have more air units then we have fighers

[cunning shell]

Ping me if I have to change my order again

Okay Gn everyone

[grand sun]

Thanks for taking a few steps out too. Gonna be crowded at the airfield

[hidden scaffold]

Quite a concetration again

[grand sun]

So far...and without anyone else.

I could reduce the scale more...but I don't wanna

[versed locust]

I resubmitted as well to account for Crow disembarking

[grand sun]

ok, looks like we got stuff nailed down. If you'll land in 3820 in wave 2, then Flying Shovels will be able to get the airfield up. That HAT drop "X" under the swoop is a paradrop for airfield construction for reference.

[keen vault]

Darn thought I put evasive in there

[somber apex]

nice 🌐

[grand sun]

Would you be open to walking out like/with Crow? 3820 is gonna be cramped, but 3819 should be a bit emptier and means Crow has a mech mate.

[keen vault]

Sounds good to me

[grand sun]

How far into 3920 were you wanting to go? Were you thinking about where I placed y'all?

[somber apex]

I don't mind where you placed us
or to move out further

@dapper quartz any thoughts to map placement?

[somber apex]

this is one hell of an operation
(is what I wanted to add this morning cest time)
multidomain, multibattlegroup, multistage
pogy wogy

[hidden scaffold]

multi headache?

[dapper quartz]

It's about where I wanted to be.
The key point is to be within 1 range of contacts at 4019 if they're 2-range AA guns and outside their range if they're 1-range and can't shoot at anything else.
[edit]...which isn't really something I can properly order but still.

[fluid carbon]

I wish we could do it 😦

I hoped if I made a pretty picture shack would let it happen

but can't split the BG

Good morning 212th!

how's everything looking?

[grand sun]

If it helps, those arrows are measured to range 1. Red being the big one's range 1, green being y'all's. So current position has you outside of range 1 from both unidentified signatures...at least their starting positions.

[grand sun]

Moving right along. 9/16 orders are in, but the instant airfield is underway.

[dapper quartz]

Yep. But some AA is range 2.
Hey, if I get hit I get hit.

[fluid carbon]

should be finished right?
We've got a HAT delivering LS#2

should keep that thing operational for a while

[hidden scaffold]

only 4 BA left. Just need to get Lodge approval

[grand sun]

Your message was solid, I was just giving a visual since range isn't Hex to Hex, but actual distances.

[dapper quartz]

That's why I went in the corner of the hex, more-or-less.

[grand sun]

👍 Wave 3 will be landing at the airfield.

[fluid carbon]

Thank. Godspeed 212

[grand sun]

Appreciate your help making this possible. Enjoy the calm before the storm

[fluid carbon]

you too

[violet sparrow]

Orders are in. decided to cover more o the east. was worried these contacts may be fighters. They look like they won't fly towards Shovels position and they wouldn't know we are gonna be there before we would, but no sense in taking a chance that they could just randomly change direction

or worse, bombers

[grand sun]

Yeah...Those have me nervous too. Last I saw, Atlas was planning to scan em...but that's not intel we'll be able to know ahead of time

[fluid carbon]

Scan and Com-Int

we'll know what they're gonna do too

[somber apex]

good to know
I actually thought it was

[grand sun]

ha! Found out why my TTS has been shadding everything...

It was set to "Real"

[somber apex]

oh. now I see what you mean
that's a great dusk filter xP

[grand sun]

😆 I think it was suggesting I had weak lighting over my table

[grand sun]

It's part of why Storm was hit so hard in orbit. The enemy bot fighters lined up to only snipe those on the leading edge

[grand sun]

🤨 and I lose the wooden table edge I'm using as my tray if I go "pure"...poop

Not all orders are in, but I wanted to float the wave wording by y'all

[dapper quartz]

Sounds good

[chilly iris]

Looks good to me

[versed locust]

Seems good

[grand sun]

Order deadline reminder:

@grand sun , @ebon river , @twin girder , @cursive rapids , @peak terrace , and @surreal canyon orders are due <t:1752098460:R>.

• HVTOLs, please drop off your cargo in wave 2.
• Tydeus your ride will land wave 3. I haven't done the math to see if they'll have the speed to unload you, but if you want to be unloaded we could maths.
• Ceberskie please descend wave 2 so you can paradrop your shovel boots and then land wave 3 to work on unloading the LMs (I don't know if you have enough speed to unload both)
• Java up to you which wave you come down. If you wanted, Cleaver (our other VTOL) is descending and loading supplies in wave 3
• BrinyPear there's several different groupings of fighters if you wanted to join one of them or spit off. Your call...but I need orders.

(yes...I know I included myself in that message, it was on purpose. lol)

[ebon river]

I’ll chill this turn to save the math, don’t have time for it today

[grand sun]

We can get you unloaded first thing next round then. Like I said, I didn't math it...but I think there was a HAT in shovels saying they couldn't offload both vehicles this round due to it costing 1 speed each since it's 2 slots.

[chilly iris]

Yeah, I only have 1 speed after landing, so Tydeus will have to wait until next turn to unload

[grand sun]

Heads up to 212th fighters, here are the proposed flight paths of 2 of the Shovel HATs

[dapper quartz]

The red, I assume, not the orange.

If I can, I'll be positioning myself between CHONK and 4019.

[grand sun]

Yeah, sorry. Red arrows. Orange are the projects. Rectangle the airfield and the orange lines are fortification lines

[violet sparrow]

Also be warned fighters, Evasive does mean you take a -2 to attacks

Yeah you get a +3 defense and can (potentially) not take any hits, but if you don't hit a enemy unit, you don't intercept them which forces them to engage with you instead of other targets

Shouldn't be a issue against enemy fighters if they focus on you already, but if bombers get by, they can still drop their bombs, and they will focus on ground targets

If you are able to Intercept them with your attack, they do not get to drop their bombs

Not telling you what to do. Just want to make sure everyone is aware of how it works

[dapper quartz]

What's the point of a concave defensive line like that?

[dapper quartz]

FWIW, the way I see it we're far likely to encounter any fliers next turn than we are this one, so it's worth the risk of not hitting bombers this turn to reduce the risk of getting shot by AA.

[hidden scaffold]

I just added lines that are opposed to the two big '?'
Don't want to impose specific actions on the players

Slippery slope for TCOs

[dapper quartz]

Hm, okay.

[grand sun]

Red arrows with dashed lines for markers of the Shovel HATs, red circle is 1 range for the big "?" in 4019...which could just be a group rather than a larger unknown

This would have Sumer (assuming that's where I deploy the bunker), Mirror and Cambrly inside 1 range, but we'd be shielding that HAT path.

[dapper quartz]

That looks a bit large for 1 range

How does it (just barely) hit 4021 when it's in 4019?