Battlegroup 6 - Spearhead: Comms

[sinful light]

So we are probably going to be landing on Elim and will have to march towards Ziyal. Our HAT and VTOLs could help carry our slower vehcikes

[thin shore]

Good news, I think we have enough carrying capacity that no infantry has to walk! We're still a bit slow though lol

[static spire]

task force Victorum does have a mostly empty light freighter on the roster

might be worth it to ask if they want to ferry some of us?

[sinful light]

Main thing that'll slow us is probably the heavy mech

[forest trench]

We're marching streight to Zyial? I thought the plan was to hold crossroads with Dwarf and Venentor and evac civies from the towns.

[sinful light]

Redwall

[thin shore]

The heavy mech, MBTs, and IFVs all move at spd 2

[sinful light]

And they and dwarf are going into the Ziyal

But we can more easily relocate if the enemy tries to flank us

[thin shore]

Dwarf is holding the mine to the north, Phalanx, Storm Blessed and Flying shovels are going to the cross roads. We're joining the assualt on Ziyal with Redwall and Venator

[loud schooner]

What will slow uis down are the Infantry

[sinful light]

And rabbits gonna be going wherever they need

[loud schooner]

But we should have enough transport to help withthat

[sinful light]

We actually have enough vehicles to now worry

[thin shore]

We have enough carrying capacity for the infantry

[loud schooner]

We'll be using the HATs or the IFVs/Light Vics for the infantry?

[forest trench]

Seems like we might be able to load all of them. We got quite a few transports.

[loud schooner]

Assuming we need some capacity for civvies

[sinful light]

HAT should probably be reserved for our MBT

Least till we reach Ziyal

But if we hold a space port, evac should be MUCH easier

[loud schooner]

It should be able to fit Infantry and a Tank unless rules updated. Which it probably did

[sinful light]

Light mechs and light vehicles should be fine on the ground

[forest trench]

Ah true. But we could move the infentry up to the Ziyal then disembark them to dig in then take on civies

[thin shore]

yeah both tanks can actually be carried in one HAT and still take one squad

[sinful light]

Can a heavy mech fit in a HAT

[loud schooner]

Yup

[chrome dagger]

Remember that we're moving at the speed of the slowest unit, our tanks won't slow us as much as dismounted infantry. Tanks are actually safer on the ground where they have enough hits to survive some damage

[loud schooner]

1 Vic takes of 2/5 slots in a HAT

[thin shore]

I believe we have enough carrying capacity for all the infantry. But we're still moving at speed two

[chrome dagger]

Right, which is probably the best we can do

[loud schooner]

Don't forget we also have the Rush command if we are just focused on moving

If we are worried about being hit while double timing it. We can have our LM and Light Vics flank the MBTs and HM while we move in formation

[chrome dagger]

I was more thinking about the strategic level movement, where that wouldn't apply

[loud schooner]

Cool beans

[sinful light]

And when we do get there, our LV and LM can coordinate with Venators Lance, cause they will have a easier time navigating in the city

Also, I think we should strap speakers to our mechs to demoralize the clankers

[loud schooner]

I was hoping we could convince our LVs to act as Ambulances

considering we are going to be ground QRF

[sinful light]

One of the LV is gonna be staying with the mechs for repairs

But I think another is taking in medics

[loud schooner]

If the last one can carry the other medic that would be cool

If anything I'll go without a LV since I have a combat medic team and can defend myself

[sinful light]

But I don't think we have a medical corps

But if one of the medic teams had casualty collection or civilian aid station would probably help a LOT

[loud schooner]

I have a CCP

no aid station though

[forest trench]

I mean, if one of the medics has the upgrade that lets them ride for free, I'd be happy to take them along with the engineers

Not sure if the Lance is going to often be where the most casualties are though

[thin shore]

Unfortunately we don't have a medical corps for that upgrade

[loud schooner]

Mhm

[sinful light]

Still CCP would help with our evacuation attempts

[true hill]

JBL upgrade when?

[old palm]

Do all the LM pilots have the laser weapon equipped? If so we should be pretty good without supplies right?

[sinful light]

they all at a base should

[thin shore]

I believe a majority do yes, Hunter, they could have bought another and changed out the laser

[old palm]

I was just thinking if we all go laser we could operate pretty independently form the main force which could be good

[forest trench]

My Light Vic has an MG, but I can also bring light supply so that solves itself (I think?)

[thin shore]

It's a definitly a boon but unfortunatly all other combat vehicles ned it

[unique island]

ill need a priority list if im the only truck

[chrome dagger]

Mechs need ammo for their MGs, LVs don't

[forest trench]

Ah good.

[thin shore]

Defintely but the issue is more how to get more supply at all. We don't have an orbital following us around and supplying us. We'll have to coordinate with Logi Corps most likely

[loud schooner]

Our Engies need to liase with the Logi hub/battlegroup to organize a supply train

Along with our logi truck

[sinful light]

I think that Redwall wil be setting up FOB near their trench line

[thin shore]

Nice! Hopefully we can work with them and offer our own Logi vehicles to help in the distribution of supply

[sinful light]

I wonder... can we secure bot production plants to make our own supply?

[loud schooner]

yoinking supplies from them will be a must. Got to let them know so they know so we can get enough know to stock up

[sinful light]

Cause if we can do that, it might not be too dificult to subvert them to produce ammuntion that we can use in their factories

Or at the very least basic supplies for repairs

[thin shore]

Unsure, I do know Shack likes to put random narrative things for us to find. Plus, we don't know what the local population can provide

[golden falcon]

Yes. Strategically Transferring Equipment to Alternate Location, this is what being in Armco is all about.

[loud schooner]

question is if we find one how hard will it be to get through any security

[sinful light]

Right, they do have more advanced tech than us

Maybe something could give us the edge with a bit of modification

[sonic willow]

hello, you guys recruiting infantry? and what is this groups's plan?

[chrome dagger]

We're planning on deploying to Ziyal city, depending on what conditions are looking like down there. We're always looking for infantry...but we are also reaching a point where we need some more transport

[forest trench]

We are planning a long march from Elim to Zial, which'll take quite a while given our tanks and IFVs are so slow. We are worried about supply lines too given that we'll be are far from the spaceport as can be, and only have one logi truck and a few HATs.

But more infantry for holding the city and getting the civies out and evacuated to Elim will be helpful! I think we still have enough room in the IFVs and other transports... Haven't done the math for that though

[chrome dagger]

If I've done the math right, we have enough to leave one HAT empty to carry supply, if that's possible, otherwise that leaves us with 5 extra slots

[forest trench]

How many freighters with 2 cargo bays each would it take to transport our entire BG? Heavy mechs and tanks take up more slots right?

Oooh maybe TF Fluffle could help us after they are finished moving Rabbit.

[loud schooner]

16 Inf total

3, 4FS Inf in LVs

5, 6FS Inf in IFVs

5 Inf in HAT 1

0 Inf in HAT 2

1, 6FS Inf in VTOL

2, 6FS Inf in Logi Truck

We can carry some supplies but not a lot

[chrome dagger]

You're forgetting our logi truck

Obivously they could be lugging supplies though, so there's that

[loud schooner]

Yeah, figured we'd wanna be leaving that for supply

[chrome dagger]

So that's a can of worms I'll get to in a moment...

[loud schooner]

Oh okay, in that case let me shift things around

[loud schooner]

You mean logi trucks?

[chrome dagger]

So it's a 1 to 5 ratio of cargo bays (or Large Supply) to players in a Battlegroup that can deploy. We're sitting at 40 right now, so 8 LS would be required for us to be deployable via a Task Force. They then additionally need to have deployment capacity in the form of VTOLs, Flight decks for HATs (assuming an airfield to land) or orbitals with Landing gear and the appropriate bay for deployment

[loud schooner]

this?

[chrome dagger]

So at this point I'm figuring that our ground capable transports all hold infantry, we have 2 HATs that can coordinate supply drops of small supply to our logi truck once we get on the ground, having all infantry mounted up will let us traverse a bit faster so that's the idea

[chrome dagger]

Yeah that was my thought, we can always adjust as needed

[sinful light]

So at a minimum we can move at speed of 2

[quasi crest]

Say, if we're (theoretically) joining the attack on Ziyal city, whose covering C-Z and Haydar village?

[chrome dagger]

Unsure at the moment, we do have at least one BG focusing on QRF so they might if needed

[quasi crest]

Okay. Might be a good idea for some of the faster battlegroups to go through those areas and we can trident the city.

[forest trench]

Well, If we are able to cut through to the north of Ziyal, we could block the roads to Haydar.

[sinful light]

Plus Dwar Fortress is planning to fortify the northern mine and village

So we could position ourselves near the south incase the bots try to invade the southern hemisphere

[forest trench]

I think we should try to push through to southern Ziyal, to cut off the bots from C-Z and the mines.

But it all depends on how entrenched the bots are by the time we get there.

At the start of the game the bots have only gotten as far as Tora right?

It'd take them at least three turns to get to Ziyal. And it'd take us at least 5.

Or. Wait no we'd move at speed two... so how lond would it take to move across the map?

[loud schooner]

We can move at speed 4

Using the Rush order

[forest trench]

Eh? I thought the Rush order didn't work on the strategic map.

[loud schooner]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I'm unaware it didn't

[halcyon skiff]

🤦‍♂️

hmm

what speed do we move at?

[chrome dagger]

So it doesn't specify but in all likelihood, there's no rushing on the strategic layer because you don't make attacks or get shot on that layer.

[halcyon skiff]

true

[chrome dagger]

We will be moving at speed 2 so long as we retain enough transport capacity for all our infantry

[halcyon skiff]

i definitely think we should secure south to prevent the bots from taking the mine or village

[forest trench]

I wonder if it'd make sense to split our Battle group into two. The fast movers and the slow.

[halcyon skiff]

sounds like we will be doing a lot of defending @boreal nimbus what kinda defensive structures we got?

[halcyon skiff]

would make both weaker and more suseptable to attack tho

[sinful light]

Thing is we can't reach the southern mine unless we get to Ziyal city

[forest trench]

Yeah, but the fast movers could stick with the slow most of the time. Treat it like one BG, but if something happens where a fast responce is needed, the fast has the option to split up.

[halcyon skiff]

can go through nerys village

[sinful light]

No we cant

[chrome dagger]

Dotted lines on map indicate that they're only traversible by air

[sinful light]

And we have nowhere near the aircraft to transport us

[halcyon skiff]

i see

me and a few others are loaded on the church HAT, we could act as a QRF to secure and setup positions for main group?

[sinful light]

Sounds risky

[halcyon skiff]

when is our job not? XD

[thin shore]

The BG can't split up due to the coherency rule of the strategic layer

[halcyon skiff]

we were part of the drop on braven airport, we know risk XD

[forest trench]

Would that count as a sortie? Only sorties can split from the BG on the Stratigic map

[halcyon skiff]

good question we should ask

[thin shore]

You need a LS for a sortie I believe

[chrome dagger]

Sorties are aerospace only and must be launched by a task force

[halcyon skiff]

ah

oh well then

by land we go!

[forest trench]

Right, that's why I'm wondering if we should make the Fast movers their own BG, but still work together closely.

The fact that our speed is halved due to not being allowed to split from the tanks n such worries me.

[halcyon skiff]

that would make the already slow inf slower without transport tho scratch last he meant tanks

[boreal nimbus]

I only have the base ones rn, but I can spec into barbed wire and tank traps possibly

[halcyon skiff]

would be useful, you got MG nests?

[thin shore]

Why is that worrying? We have enough QRF with Phalanx and Storm Blessed, who can use the air routes we can't.

[halcyon skiff]

if we already got QRF on staition i dont see the worry

once they setup the hats can evac any civvies as well

or whatever airo units they have idk

[thin shore]

Our speed can help Redwall and Venator who would be slower than our LMs on the battlefield

[halcyon skiff]

so, head to city to shore up defense till main force arives then head south to assist qrf?

also this is a hella lot of infantry lmao 😭

[thin shore]

Optimal plan, push toward the city. Plan B get as close as possible (likely the crossroads) and engage the enemy.

[halcyon skiff]

hope we get cityside in time

sounds like the robots are using raider tactics with kidnapping and fast mobility tho

if our space force can intercept before drop on city would be noice

[chrome dagger]

Yeah we're at the mercy of a space battle or two

[halcyon skiff]

whats space X strat speed?

[forest trench]

phalanx has IFVs. That makes 'em just as slow as us no?

So does rabbit

[thin shore]

They said they're Ground QRF and double check if they have enough HATs to carry them

[halcyon skiff]

better to hit them with a tsunami all at once than a few small waves then

[loud schooner]

Both Phalanx and Rabbit are going to be mostly reactionary after, we hit the perverbial wall

[halcyon skiff]

good for defending but if we need to push someone will have to be actionary

[forest trench]

I'm not seeing any Hats in their sheet, but maybe I'm just blind.

[halcyon skiff]

probably us tbf

[loud schooner]

Good for attacks as well. They can reinforce any failing assaults or be pitched in to take advantage of a breakthrough

[halcyon skiff]

true true

we will need to move fast if they get the city tho

cant always wait for the perfect opportunity, sometimes you must take good enough

[forest trench]

I'm not saying the light mechs and vics should charge in ahead of the main force, I'm just saying it'd be good to have QRF BGs that don't have a max speed of 2. Which Rabbit and Phalanx both have.

[halcyon skiff]

fair enough

also update from meta-comm

bots might be able to produce orbitals on the go, unconfirmed tho so no real solid intel other than the fact they produce units on feild

[forest trench]

And that many smaller BGs would be better than a few big ones, but of course that'd defeat the whole point of the BGs which is to make strategic gameplay easier to run.

[thin shore]

Your still forgetting Storm Blessed though they have like half the VTOL fleet

[halcyon skiff]

DAMN

HALF????

[thin shore]

I'm exaggerating lol but a lot.

[forest trench]

Good point

[halcyon skiff]

storm blessed sound like our QRF then

[forest trench]

And Rabbit is trying to form the Fluffles TF to get them in the action quick to offset their poor land speed.

[halcyon skiff]

on top of that dont forget wreck feild next to enemy gate

we should be ready for constant waves of enemies with no real limit due to numbers

[thin shore]

Yeah, we're gonna be fighting the ocean in there

[halcyon skiff]

"truth is, the game was rigged from the start"

going from braven to this is like going from little league to the NFL

[civic jackal]

We will be fine we just have to hold out till the other battle groups take out the factorys

[halcyon skiff]

thats hoping the factories are planet side

i would place money on the moon being where they will setup a FOB

[civic jackal]

If there not planet side we can just shoot down there reinforcements

[halcyon skiff]

we dont know saturation of air forces or orbital forces

whats our AA situation anyway?

[chrome dagger]

One AA Tank, two fighters

[civic jackal]

Oooo that's not good

[halcyon skiff]

well

i think shooting down all enemy transports is out of question

[chrome dagger]

One AA tank in Venator too

Yeah, gonna be defensive fire only

[halcyon skiff]

what is AA capabilities of whole army?

[chrome dagger]

Uh...of the entire unit or our combined 3 BGs?

[halcyon skiff]

combined

[sinful light]

Two fighters, two AA tanks

[halcyon skiff]

wait for like, all three????

[sinful light]

And depending on the laser range we could POSSIBLY try to use that

[chrome dagger]

Yep, no air cover in Redwall that I'm seeing

[halcyon skiff]

oml

[chrome dagger]

21 fighters in the whole unit

[sinful light]

Still, CAS will be difficult for the enemy to provide inside of the city

[last shadow]

I'll do my best but this might go far

[halcyon skiff]

looks like we are pulling a wingman

[sinful light]

Bombers would be our main issue

[civic jackal]

What if we just volly fire with are rifles at the enemy air craft like they did in ww1

[sinful light]

Same with VTOL

[halcyon skiff]

amazing

[sinful light]

Good news though

Two new taskforces are forming

[halcyon skiff]

YESSS

[sinful light]

And if the Bots airforce is coming from their orbitals

WE may have less of an issue

[halcyon skiff]

we might be able to cutoff enemy before they land in city

[sinful light]

Two of them are working close with other battlegroups but more orbitals in our side is going to help everyone

Plus, it'll let Rabbit deploy to the southern mines and villaged way faster than we can

[halcyon skiff]

whos ready for crowded city fighting, yayyyy...

[forest trench]

Is any body here a vet from a campaign with city fighting? How brutal is it?

[sinful light]

Well least the mechs will be able to move pretty well

[loud schooner]

Medic from Icarus, held a village from the north. It can get baaaaaaad. Especially for the assault

[forest trench]

Is my little LV gonna get crushed? :C

[chrome dagger]

Structure defense got turned into armor, and the "dig in" defense bonus is reduced now, so shouldn't be as bad.

[loud schooner]

It can turn into a slow grinder or a really quick one. Just be very weary of artillary and make sure to work out rotations with the rest of your platoon

[forest trench]

Rotations?

[loud schooner]

You make attack, and most people lose half their FS, work out who is going to get the heals and when

[sinful light]

Well hopefully Venator and Redwall will help with counter battery

[chrome dagger]

Our massive amount of infantry will help turn the engineer's sandbags into a trench line as well

[loud schooner]

If they get there before us we are going to need arti to take away their defence. However, if there is a civillian element that might not be and option. We'd just have to take it on the chin unless we wanna roll the die on civvies being very upset

[forest trench]

We'd also be gambling away our paycheck too. The Feds are paying us to save the fluffies not mince them. They are doing this for a PR stunt to get reelected. If vids turn up where the mercs the feds spent taxpayer money on are killing the people they where hired to protect, that could end poorly.

[thin shore]

Any IFV have the Ram upgrade. It inserts infantry right into defended buildings

[loud schooner]

exactly

[halcyon skiff]

i prefer my pay in my hands being spent thank you

this is probably important

[sinful light]

At least we won't worry about the bots having indescriminate bombing. Intel says they are collected LIVE population

[halcyon skiff]

uhh that brings up a question

will they be capturing us?

[forest trench]

ooooh! good question! Didn't think about that

[halcyon skiff]

rather have my men not go through whatever they be doing

[thin shore]

https://tenor.com/view/eggs-artificial-birth-womb-pod-gif-13784161

[halcyon skiff]

chaplain henrich will fight to the last if needed

[halcyon skiff]

HELL TO THE NAHHHHH

[forest trench]

Heh, your whole company gets captured and turned into borg, and now you fight on the enemy team.

Resistance is futile yadah yadah starts blastin'

[sinful light]

Still, long as we get the people out of the city, we could worry less about colateral

[forest trench]

True. But this is also their homeworld. Lots of history there. Don't wanta to blow up some priceless historical building. Also the planet is pretty much unenhabitable right now. The Civies will freeze without shelter. Destroying one of their cities will mean thousands/millions without homes for years, in a place that'd kill you in hours.

Sure, the civies can pack into Elim in the short term, but if we reduce their homes to rubble, they'll be stuck sharing houses and sleeping in hospitals for a long while.

But that's better than whatever fate the bots have in store for them I bet. So bombing the city would be worth it to stop the bots. But I guess the main question is, how many few casualties would we suffer if we leveled the city.

And how much our lives are worth vs the comfort of a civilian we are charged to protect.

[sterile hollow]

Lets play optimists and by some miracle we keep bots off Lumara, do units need upgrades to fight on the surface of a moon?

[forest trench]

Huh, good question. I'd assume not? Given that it's not a listed upgrade and it'd seem odd if we couldnt fight on the moon at all.

I figure the campaign isn't won until the bots are pushed out of the system completely, and I doubt they'll give up on the moon without a fight

[chrome dagger]

We're only here to hold until friendly reinforcements arrive; I'm honestly not sure we'll be in a position to launch an assault on the moon

[forest trench]

oooh good point I forgot about that. When will the renforcements arive? Do we have an estamate?

[chrome dagger]

That's likely going to be unclear until further into the mission

[sterile hollow]

Do we still get paid if we die in the fighting

[chrome dagger]

Yes, 4 req from what Shack has said instead of the 5

[forest trench]

Oh really!? Nice! I thought we got nothing

[sinful light]

So we just need to hold a planet and one of the gates for the fleet

[chrome dagger]

Bit of a terrifying thought that the bots might try and seize both gates, huh...?

[forest trench]

Yeah. I wonder how rough the space battles will be. We got quite a few big ships last I heard, but not enough crew.

[sterile hollow]

Do our orbitals have any infantry for anti boarding?

[chrome dagger]

Not sure how that's going to be honest

[gritty spruce]

Hello, fine people.
Does the battlegroup by any chance need another IFV or would you rather cap at 40 members for ease of work?

[chrome dagger]

Another IFV means more transport, which makes things easier for us, so you're more than welcome aboard

[gritty spruce]

Alrighty!
I'll sign up immediately

[forest trench]

And another gun. More guns is always good!

[chrome dagger]

That too, yeah. Guns are good

[gritty spruce]

An upgraded gun with range 2, no less

[chrome dagger]

Ooh, now you're just showing off...

[forest trench]

Oohohoho! Nice

[gritty spruce]

I am

[forest trench]

Range two gang unite

Oh, wait. Is there a spot on the roster sheet to list your upgrades?

[chrome dagger]

So for weapon refits that's going to be part of your unit type, for passive and single use weapons/items, that'll go on the roster under 'equipment'

[gritty spruce]

Should I specify in the sign up or is that only for the order formatting?

[chrome dagger]

Yeah hold on, I'll add a new column for that

Alright, if everyone could specify what primary weapon system their unit has (if a refit is available for your unit) as the first thing you put in the upgrades column, followed by passive/single use items

This includes refits like combat medic/engineer

[forest trench]

Did someone just leave the BG?

Saw Chonk get erased

[chrome dagger]

Yeah went back down to 40

[thin shore]

Damn, lost our 2nd HAT

[forest trench]

Hmmm. This BG is really tempting me. It's mission statement really matches what I want to do. But I also made so many plans with you guys

[gritty spruce]

That is, not good.

[thin shore]

If you're feeling it Planet feel free. The point is to have fun!

I'll double check to make sure we have enough carry capacity for the inf

[gritty spruce]

Indeed
Fun first.

[forest trench]

Thanks! Had a great time here. The founder of BG10 isn't sure the BG will work out since they formed it so late, so if it flops I come back!

Ooof yeah, the BG ten guy doesn't even have a Tac Com. I might not take myself off the roster just jet : P

[jagged vine]

yeah please don't. This is very much not concrete

[static spire]

nice it seems we have 2 more taskforces forming

has anyone got in contact with them yet, maybe we get a ride?

[gritty spruce]

BGs will remain very fluid and coming and going up until a few days before the start

[acoustic yarrow]

damn 6 IFV's

got the whole gang

so we can have 6 full inf squads and 3 smaller squads in ground armour (split between IFV's and LV's)

[forest trench]

Yep. It's great. We got a nice column going

[thin shore]

Okay, gotta drive an hour then I'll do the carry math but if worse comes to worse, I'm sitting on an RP and will just buy and play a HAT

[halcyon skiff]

i know im currently in church with a few others idk exact

[proper coral]

Organizer of Phalanx here. Sorry I haven’t been in contact with you guys at all yet. Our original plan was to be a ground based qrf but with the amount of infantry we have been getting it’s going to be a difficult ask. I’m trying to prioritize IFV and VTOL recruitment at the moment to get our speed back up but no promises unfortunately. We are still one of the smaller groups so I can’t pick and choose players😅

If you guys ever need a status update from my group or have questions just ping me and I’ll get to it as soon as possible

[chrome dagger]

Gotcha, thanks Reaper

[chrome pollen]

How is our infantry transport capability??

[chrome dagger]

We can transport 14 full sized squads and 3 support sized squads, so we have enough plus room for some supplies

[chrome pollen]

Asking because got a little concern with what @proper coral posted here... If Spearhead have the capability to transport the infantry guys I was thinking in giving Phalanx a hand since they are needing more IFVs...

[chrome dagger]

Yeah we barely have enough ourselves

We were better off before losing our second HAT

[proper coral]

I mean that would be nice but I don’t want to compromise your capabilities either. You’re a large battle group and so the ability to carry some small supply with you is quite valuable

We’ve still got plenty of time for new players to join and I’m sure I’ll get our battle group into better shape here soon. No need to worry too much😄

[sinful light]

If I had the req Id probably modify my mech to allow for supply transport

[chrome pollen]

We can carry 15 full sized squads actually...

[chrome dagger]

I'm only counting 14, where's the last one?

[tall briar]

May I enter the Battlegroup? I play as LV

[chrome dagger]

Of course, welcome in! Sign up sheet is in the pins

[tall briar]

thx

[chrome pollen]

VTOLs can carry infantry and supply at the save time...

[chrome dagger]

VTOL - 1 squad
HAT - 5 squads
Logi - 2 squads
6 IFVs - 6 squads
= 14

If I'm missing something please clarify

[chrome pollen]

I miss read... My bad...

[chrome dagger]

All good, I was driving myself mad doing the math over and over thinking there was a unit I wasn't seeing

[chrome pollen]

kkkk

I was the mad one...

kkkkk

[sinful light]

Shame we can't just put a single member of infantry on each mech

Like a hood ornament

[atomic lantern]

I'm really gunna have to watch my step with all the LVs, light mechs, and IFVs running about lol

[forest trench]

LV gang! The swarm grows!

[sinful light]

Say what weapons do you have on the heavy mech?

[tall briar]

Let's gooo

[atomic lantern]

light lasers, left overs from my other mechs

if i had the req i would have went x2 autocannon and LRM

but ill work with what i got

[forest trench]

Hey, if you survive this you'll be 5/6ths of the way there!

[atomic lantern]

very true lol just gotta not do what i did on haven.

[atomic lantern]

Would be real sad if-

added the spoiler so it don't lag peoples phones, i know it slows mine down time to time.

[forest trench]

Boom. Headshot

Yeah, I kinda have a similar fear. I'm debating what upgrades I want to put on my LV after this campaign. Been thinking armor plates would be great 'cause they'd add survivability, but they'd also quadruple the Rec cost of the vehicle and make it much more sad if I lose it.

[rustic zealot]

Hooray we have a good size of IFVs

[gritty spruce]

We also should NOT do what I did on Haven

[atomic lantern]

fun times that haven.

up to my neck in bug bits with Locksmith until those damn stalkers.

[gritty spruce]

For me it went well, very well, until I made one mistake and that was it

[thin shore]

Glad to hear we have enough transport! Means I stay LM lol

[atomic lantern]

listen if someone wants to sit on top of my mech who am i to stop them lol.

[old palm]

maybe if the mechs get the hands we can do a fast ball to move our infantry

[civic jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-toss-bye-gif-4963915

[old palm]

I don't have the req for multiple units but if i did would I be able to field multiple units in a campaign?

[proper coral]

Nope

[thin shore]

No, one unit per player in a campaign

[steady plinth]

Hi, i am a new player here, my friend @tall briar talked about the Meta Campaing in the past, i became curious and wanted to try it out, this will be my first campaing and my unity is a Fighter, can i join this battlegroup?

[old palm]

gatcha fallow up question since i was reading up on orbitals, do i need to find other players to fill my breaching pods or can i put my own infinitary on my own orbital

[thin shore]

You absolutely can! You'll be out third fighter so we have the real beginnings of a squad lol

[thin shore]

You need to find other players

Who are using crew

[old palm]

gotcha

[thin shore]

I'm planning on using my RP this mission to get a destroyer and get landing gear some cargo space and a flight deck! Only need three crew for that!

[thin shore]

Make sure to use the pinned Google sheet here to sign up on the sign up tab

[steady plinth]

[forest trench]

Wait crew? For getting fired out of drop pods? Doncha need Drop Pod trained infantry for those? Or wait, are you saying you need crew to man the pod launchers to fire the infantry?

[sterile hollow]

I think you need other players running crew units to run the ship, and then probably need other people with drop pod infantry to actually drop

[thin shore]

You need other crew on the ship as they use their turn to do ship activities such as launching drop pods

[golden falcon]

Just wanted to say, this’ll be my first mission with Armco. (Dingo squad only joined up while we were on Titan.) so appreciate your understanding if I get confused about some of the rules and Jargon. I don’t quite get the initials unrelated to my own class. But it’s really good to finally be fighting with you, Cheers!✨

[thin shore]

Any time and feel free to ask questions. You're with a bunch of people dying to share any knowledge they can lol

[old palm]

I believe we have a cheat sheet on our form Incase you need to figure out any of the shorthand

[chrome dagger]

No worries Cromeus, as Rocky said feel free to ask questions, I feel like a good majority of people signed up haven't had the required luck to get into a mission. And yeah, there's a cheat sheet for all the different unit types and their weapon refits that you can look over in the V5 rules document if you ever want to look them over

[thin shore]

Okay, I got us another LM. I'm starting to think I should let the other BGs get some mechs lol

[proper coral]

Yes please😂

[chrome dagger]

We now have 2 lances...I don't think we need two stars lol

[proper coral]

Fr though it’s all good. If you guys want more then by all means take them😝

[thin shore]

Sorry Reaper! I promise I'll stop now.

In fact, I'll start pointing them your way

[slate nymph]

Howdy howdy! Where ya need me :D

[chrome dagger]

Welcome in, hop you find the transport ship comfortable...because we're stuck there for a while

[errant mauve]

It's not so bad.

[slate nymph]

If need I can jump out the back, got the jump jets for a reason ;P

[chrome dagger]

Also make sure you add your information to the sign up sheet in the pinned messages in this channel

[slate nymph]

Will do!

[thin shore]

Ohh fancy~ lol Welcome, with you we have two full lances of light mechs plus a heavy and we really are walking death lol

[errant mauve]

Walking is overrated. 😉

[forest trench]

hohoh! a veteran mech jocky? Nice!

What campaign?

[thin shore]

True, we're counting on you and the rest of the fighter squadron to keep the skies clear

[forest trench]

I find it funny that the Light vics and mechs can move faster than fighter jets while rushing

[errant mauve]

Will do my best.

[slate nymph]

Fought against that prick whatever he name was, then on the Lil smash n grab op when we stole from that scrap heap

Got myself a fridge out of it too

[forest trench]

Runnihing at mach 2

[forest trench]

nice!

[errant mauve]

We pulling an Evangelion now?

[forest trench]

welp angles haven't descended to wipe out humanity knock on wood

[thin shore]

There are so many ways to take that

[slate nymph]

:>

[errant mauve]

More than I have fingers.

[sinful light]

The dictator?

[slate nymph]

Yep!

[old palm]

We can be the mech BG

[sinful light]

Wooof, that was a hell of a battle to watch

Still, glad we got a experienced mech pilot

[old palm]

it looks like we have more taskforces now has anyone reached out to the two new ones about getting us a ride?

[thin shore]

Not that I know of

[old palm]

Alrighty I'll reach out to task force 2

[halcyon skiff]

@chrome dagger LV'S!!!!

JUST REMEMEBERED

lv's can hold half a squad

qroup up the LV's into groups of 2

thats one squad between them

[chrome dagger]

Shack has said that's not going to be a thing for large campaigns if I recall correctly, too much micromanagement

[halcyon skiff]

BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

nvm

irellevant question

[thin shore]

Also, it wouldn't change anything. We don't have enough HATs to transport the vehicles that move at speed 2. No matter which way we cut it spd 2 is out strategic speed for now

[halcyon skiff]

oh well

[halcyon skiff]

your riding in church right?

[thin shore]

Btw, what ship are you thinking of going once you get the RP? Naw, I changed to light mech once I saw that it was becoming a thing, plus one less infantry that needed to be moved lol

[halcyon skiff]

battlcruiser or cruiser

[thin shore]

Still going battle focused?

[halcyon skiff]

probobly will be a CAS orbital

lots of atmoo with lots of guns and drop pods

[thin shore]

Im actually thinking of getting a destroyer myself get the landing gear and a flight deck become an airfield lol

[old palm]

do we have a battle group catch phrase or saying? I got bored and started working on an insignia for us lol

[thin shore]

Not that I know of. Maybe something to do with the spear?

[chrome dagger]

A catch phrase? Lol, not that I've come up with

[golden falcon]

I think I missed the link to our form. Anyone mind linking it?

[thin shore]

"Through and Through" (as in stabbed through but also always completing the mission?)

[thin shore]

It's in the pinned messages for the chat here

[forest trench]

I like that a lot

[thin shore]

Thanks!

[loud schooner]

I would like to use you as an ambulance

[thin shore]

Buy'em dinner first lol

[loud schooner]

💵

This out to do it

[tall briar]

Hahahaha, thx for the dinner
Yeah, we can be the ambulance

[loud schooner]

Awesome, thank you kindly

[thin shore]

Hey guys, the new Task force is having a tough time getting more crew. I imagine they need more crew than we need an extra mech. I'm gonna be leaving Spearhead to try to get more crew for them. Off it doesn't work out I hope you'll take me back but if not. I'm sorry we don't get the chance to fight side by side!

[golden falcon]

Sorry to see you go.

[onyx void]

Lads, we are too fully assume the planets forces has fallen and the bots has complete control over the planet.

Shack has sent this into BG 3

[golden falcon]

That’s dire news. Does this mean Ground Forces need to make landing outside Ziyal and make our way by ground?

[onyx void]

It is a possibility.

[gritty spruce]

They most likely just have control of the aerospace vector.
Ground is likely still somewhat contested
Not unlike on Haven

[golden falcon]

In other words: we’re going into enemy territory. If that’s the case then besides shutting down bots we need to be rescuing Civies from whatever camps they’ve been setting up.

[sterile gulch]

Also steal anything not bolted down

[golden falcon]

That too!

[gritty spruce]

I'd say form a perimeter, use our transport to get them back to Dwarf Fortress or something like that

[golden falcon]

That sounds like a good plan. We’ve got the infantry for a perimeter, but I’m not sure about transport. Maybe if we can secure an airport our HAT could take them.

[gritty spruce]

No, that wouldn't work.
Unless our HAT has special capabilities it need an airport to land at.

I'm talking more, quick transport to bring them to the backline.

So, IFVs, VTOLs etc.

[potent ferry]

Light vehicles too

[gritty spruce]

Then, once they are at the local logistical hub, they can be brought away if needed.
But then it won't really be our thing to do anymore.

[halcyon skiff]

we can para from HAT's

[gritty spruce]

We were talking about evacuating civies

They can't reverse paradrop into a flying plane

I'd be a cool trick tho

[loud quest]

hello may i join this battlegroup?

[golden falcon]

Sure, we just lost someone. So you can take his place. What’s your unit?

[loud quest]

im a tank unit

and the name is a Tigers

[sinful light]

Morning

[golden falcon]

Morning.

[atomic lantern]

good morning

[chrome dagger]

Morning all, looks like we had a couple new recruits, welcome in!

[hard hedge]

Good morning

[little blade]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

Here to check and confirm information on the Ops log about BG6.

[loud schooner]

Morning all

[loud schooner]

Hey Deadshot, Icarus Flies Again!

[chrome dagger]

Gotcha, let me know if there's anything you need from us

[little blade]

I'll do that. My current log on BG6 in the log is: ```Land and assault Ziyal City and strike enemy strong points.

[chrome dagger]

That's more or less still accurate, we were considering hitting the Cell'dar mine if needed but not confirmed at this point as we do have other QRF units that might be better suited

[proper coral]

All just depends on how far we are able to make it before encountering heavy resistance

[little blade]

Ok, I'll add that you guys are still waiting out on intel for day one objectives, then. Thanks.

[loud quest]

oh hi

[forest trench]

So, did IFVs used to move fast in previous versions of the game? Because you are like the fifth person I've seen say IFVs are fast, when they are as slow as MBTs

[loud schooner]

slowler than LV of LM but 2 to 4 speed is quite a lot. Sadly we have to assume we can't do 4 speed on the strategic map

[gritty spruce]

Slow as an MBT is still double the speed of infantry

[forest trench]

I mean, I guess 2 is twice as good as 1, but it's still one of the slowest vehicles.

[gritty spruce]

Of how many?
Faster combat vehicles are only mechs and LVs
(logi is faster, but as a standard unit it can't do any combat)

[forest trench]

In meta comm there was a BG turning away MBTs for being too slow but accepting IFVs but not light mechs

[gritty spruce]

That's a bit silly

[forest trench]

Yeah I think it must be a typo. Well, maybe not a typo since it was written in the sheet multiple times. Maybe a brain fart and the guy writing the doc got the names mixed up somehow?

[gritty spruce]

Or he just read the speed wrong on the stat sheet

[proper coral]

Two really is infinitely better than 1 and not only does it have the capacity to carry a full squad of infantry but it also has good combat capabilities to boot. There’s way faster and more efficient ways to do troop transport but IFV’s are simple and still pretty fun for most people to play

[forest trench]

Oh yeah I agree, we're just saying it's silly to turn away MBTs for being too slow (their words) but then accept a vehicle that is the same speed.

[proper coral]

Yeah absolutely. I think Southpaw meant LV’s as well

[forest trench]

It's a shame too since aside from that confusion their google sheet is fantastic.

[loud schooner]

@potent ferry @dull chasm @tall briar @ocean knot @inland trailHey fellas sorry to ping you like this but I wanted to get our thoughts on an idea. With lots of urban fighting predicted in our future I suggest we pair up medics and LVs. Not only just for firepower, protection and speed but most importantly supply. While a 1:4 ratio of medics to infantry is a good mix we have our work cut out for us and I can see us using up our supplies in 2-3 turns. Having to rely on our single engineer team or our single logi truck to pull away from their other very important duties or worse leavinh the infantry hanging for 1-3 turns, running back and forth for supplies might not work out for us. Instead having LVs run a small supply to our medics from the nearest FOB will keep us in the fight.

Of course we can always rely on other battlegroups but they might not be on call for when we need them

[golden falcon]

As a said INF guy I am very pro Medics having supply.

[forest trench]

That makes sense. However, the current plan (I think? Maybe it changed while I was asleep) is to have an engineer squad ride with me, and I'd stick with the Light mechs, to keep them in the fight, as LVs are the only way to keep up with them. I think the three other LVs are free for medics. One pledged to be an ambulance already i think

[loud schooner]

Yup, I left you so you can stick with the engineer

[forest trench]

Ah thanks. I should have picked up on that

[unique island]

we got loads of mech i see

[forest trench]

Yeeeeep

Those poor mech techs'll be worked to the bone.

[unique island]

ill be work to the bone too as the only logi truck in here

[loud schooner]

Yuppers. Our engineer team is going to working waaaay harder than our medics on this one hopefully

[unique island]

gotta earn that pay

this gonna be my first campaign too

[forest trench]

Same

[little blade]

Following up on this, Ops Log is now pinned in #meta-comm. If there's any updates to first day objectives, please update. I'll come around to edit and accept the suggestions. Thanks.

[old palm]

Idk about the rest of the mechs but I just plan on never being hit

[unique island]

we all hope not getting hit

[proper coral]

1 armor point makes me practically invincible and you can’t convince me otherwise😝

[forest trench]

Same! And I plan on killing all the enemies in one shot

We'll win easy this way

[sinful light]

Holy shit we have the second highest BG

[loud schooner]

I mean if you all death ball and just skirmish you might manage it

[unique island]

at this point we could run two team of 4 light mech with a LV that carry an engeneer between the two squad

[loud schooner]

Sounds ideal

[forest trench]

True, but then we'd only have two LVs for medics

[loud schooner]

We have 3 LVs for medics

we had someone else join up with an LV

[forest trench]

Wait, oh sorry I missread your post. I thought you said two teams of four with an LV and engineer each

[unique island]

only one the two team could flank enemy

[old palm]

I almost feel like the best idea is LV in the middle with all 6 sides having a mech in them and then the extra two go on the bottom of the formation and now we have a spear shaped mech lance

[unique island]

we can do that while moving but when we engage i think two team for flanking is the best option

[loud schooner]

Good for travel but that might be too restrictive during combat

[forest trench]

Oh yeah, I proposed that yesterday. Real tip of the spear. And keeps the squisish (me) safe

[loud schooner]

Either hold the formation or expose your only source of repairs

[unique island]

the LV would hide

granted we fight in the city

[forest trench]

Well the LV has double the range of the Mechs. I could just fall back a bit as the mechs push up. Then get obliterated in a flank attack

Maybe 4 mechs guard me and four push up? or 2 and 6?

[unique island]

you could follow a group

stay behind while they engage get in the middle when they regroup

[loud schooner]

4 and 4

You can also hang around the heavy mech until it gets engaged

[forest trench]

Oh wait, and Aukani also has an auto cannon, so they could stick with me and also laydown fire

And be close to resupply

[loud schooner]

good thinking, should ask em

[forest trench]

@slate nymph Your autocannon has the same range as my MG. You want to stick by my LV a hex behind the other LMs to keep me safe and stay close to resupply?

[old palm]

I was also thinking we could have the mechs on the side move up during combat to try and encircle whatever we’re fighting, tbh I have no idea how long combat tends to last are things slow or fast to die in general?

[loud schooner]

Have you watched to campaign videos?

[old palm]

I did a while ago but my memory is failing me

I should go rewatch them

[forest trench]

Wait, I just realized. We only have one Engineer? I could have sworn we had more.

[loud schooner]

Combat TTK really depends but groups tend to be the only way you won't get instantly slaughtered

[loud quest]

so whats my position now...

[forest trench]

Huh. That means I've been pigeonholing Saltine as a mechtech without asking them. Hey @boreal nimbus. Do you want to ride in my Light Vic and be a mechtech for the 8 light mechs, or do you want to build things n such?

[boreal nimbus]

I'm down to run mechtech, I just need to know that that's the plan before I spend rec on upgrades

[unique island]

the goal is to keep the mech up and running

no matter what

[loud schooner]

You, the other 2 MBTs and the H-Mech are our heavy support for our mech lances

[boreal nimbus]

A couple more engies would be good though, ideally one engie/LV team per lance/group

[forest trench]

I think carry rigs would be good. Repairing mechs stakes small supply right? Hving more on hand would be great. I can only carry one ATM.

[boreal nimbus]

Yeah that'd take my cap up to 5, so 6 between us

[loud schooner]

you might not get the chance to carry a supply if you have to ferry the engi team around

[boreal nimbus]

Once mechs take a position I could prepare trenches as well if no repairs are needed

[loud schooner]

second engineer?

[unique island]

we have only one engineer

[loud schooner]

Ah, I thought you were our engi Celtic, you're our logi

[forest trench]

Ah drat you are right. I thought it was 4fs and 1 small sup. not or. Whoops

[unique island]

that could be good for the inf that would follow

[forest trench]

I need to get the supply trailer. So useful

Up armor and supply trailer would be a fun combo

[sinful light]

On the plus side, you don't need to supply the mechs with ammo

[unique island]

mind you their will be other BG with us at the city

still got to keep the tank and medic supplied

[forest trench]

Well Aukani is rocking a Auto cannon, which'll need to be reloaded

[sinful light]

When did we get another fighter?

Not complaining, that gives us the better air coverage of the three BG in Ziyal

[hard hedge]

I have a supply pack, I can keep you fed if there’s someplace to draw from

[forest trench]

Like 12, 14 hours ago i think

[hard hedge]

I also have LRMs for knocking down hostile flyers

[forest trench]

And a supply pack which is fantastic. Do you wnat to stick with me (LV HMG) Aukani (LM AC) and Saltine (Eng) a tile behind the other LMs? Keep the engineers safe.

[hard hedge]

Sounds good

I also figured I can run supplies up to hotspots on evasive if we need them

[old palm]

I like the task force were making within the larger BG

[golden falcon]

I heard we’re flying in. Any idea how we’ll deploy? If there’s an open field maybe 6 inf could parachute in via the HAT

[loud schooner]

We have a :

Mech Company

Mech-Infantry Company

Attached Tank Platoon

Attached Aerospace Wing

[sinful light]

We really are a mobile mechanized unit

[loud quest]

So in formation with mech

Alright

[loud schooner]

Likely trailing behind to come in and smash anything they can't or supporting Infantry assaults

[loud quest]

I was already have that in my head

@loud schooner I also have something to say in dms

[loud schooner]

If we can get some more IFVs recruited we can near or even fully mechanized of infantry force

[sinful light]

Also possibly helping out Venator's MBT squads

Man the bots are screwed, a Heavy Mech from us and a SHMBT from Venator

Their armor doesn't stand a chance

[proper coral]

Who is the organizer/tac com for spearhead? I would like to talk to them in DM’s if possible

[loud schooner]

until they pull out their own SHMBT

[sinful light]

That would be Blockade

[golden falcon]

Ok, I’ve been reading Meta-comm and Dresden’s comments cleared things up for me. Basically, we’re waiting for an Orbital to be in position so they can declare our BG as large supply and then it’s go-time.

[chrome dagger]

Hello

[sinful light]

Commander on deck

[chrome dagger]

As you were, gentlemen

[sinful light]

I think Phalanx wants to discuss with you

[proper coral]

Yep just DM’d

[forest trench]

Wait, if the long range LMs and the LV hang back a tile, would that mean we wouldn't be part of the same unit as the frontline LMs and could be targeted separately. So could a bot with a LRM shoot over the front line to hit us? Would the mech with the Autocannon be able to shoot past the frontline without hitting them?

[sinful light]

Mechs I think can shoot over smaller units

And move through them with no issue

[forest trench]

Can mechs shoot over other mechs though?

Would it be better to bunch up as one formation so attacks against us have to be spread out more? Or would infantry all attack my LV because it is unarmored?

[loud schooner]

The former

[sinful light]

Plus mechs can move evasively

[forest trench]

Would being in two tiles mean we aren't in the same formation? Can a formation be larger than a tile?

[chrome dagger]

As long as everyone's in range of whatever you're shooting, then I don't see why not

[forest trench]

Ok. But lets say the formation is two tiles deep because some of our units have range two weapons but the enemy only has range one weapons. Part of the formation would be within the enemies range, and part of it wouldn't be. How would that work?

[chrome dagger]

Enemies will split fire between only the units that they have range on, yeah, so that wouldn't be ideal

[forest trench]

Hmmm. I wonder if the longer range mechs should stay with the shorter ranged ones then. Just have the LV in the back by itself. It'd be more vulnerable to flanking, but the front line would have more HP to spread the damage around.

The enginieers can't repair dead mechs afteral. But wounded mechs cant get repairs from dead engineers

[dull chasm]

I agree (or pair up with engineers). Do we only have one engineer currently? That’s not so great…

[errant mauve]

Zombie Mechs and Zombie Engineers then

[forest trench]

Also, if the LMs go on flanking attacks, behind bot lines, renforcments might arive and sandwich us. In that case the LV would be the first to die if it is behind the LMs. Maybe I should just be in the thick of things?

[chrome dagger]

Remember that you can only really flank if the enemy's attention is elsewhere, I think it makes the most sense for you to try flanking units that are attacking the rest of the force so you can get in their blind spot

[loud schooner]

Both our forces and theirs will automatically attack the best target they have in range if you have a particular weapon like a AT launcher for example. However damage will be spread out across the entire force opposing yours in general for damage

[errant mauve]

Just give me some Bot Hordes to strafe.

[dull chasm]

If the mechs/lvs are flanking, just stay out of range of infantry IMO (unless they are at 4 or fewer FS). Even if that means only a few guns are on target, better to avoid taking damage.

After playing in Dashing through the snow, one engineer wasn’t enough for 12 units. Having one engineer for the whole battle group will be rough.

[forest trench]

Oh, that reminds me. How good is kiting in this game? Can you split movment actions? Could I move forward 1, fire, then move back 3?

[dull chasm]

Attacks happen at any point along movement, for both you and enemy.

[loud schooner]

We have an engi team and they have a LV already

[forest trench]

Right, so I could move forward then back and fire when in range, and if the enimy was also in range it would fire at me at the same time? But if I out ranged them they could do nothing?

[dull chasm]

I believe so yes

[forest trench]

Interesting!

[dull chasm]

But if that unit used their movement retreating, then you might be out of range. Or if they used it advancing, maybe they got in range themselves. So it’s tricky to kite.

[forest trench]

Oh right. the enemy and you move simultaneously and you don't know what they're going to do unless you hack their comms

I forgot it wasn't our turn then their turn.

[chrome dagger]

So bear in mind for our evasive units, to maintain evasive maunevers you need to move away from your starting point by at least half your movement

Otherwise movement is handled as all happening at once, and yes if you were ever in range to attack you get to shoot

[acoustic yarrow]

ive just come out of an exam and seems alots happened here while I was gone

[forest trench]

Hmm. But kiting is still useful against a dug in opponent. The enemy has to choose between staying in their fortification and taking a small amount of damage but not being able to shoot back, or advancing to shoot back, but in doing so makes them more vulnerable to damage.

[dull chasm]

That’s not kiting, that’s just sitting out of range.

[forest trench]

Assuming the kiter has a weapon that gan get through their defences

[dull chasm]

So autocannon or tank gun

[forest trench]

Oh right... well you could still be moving around so. wait no. Simultaneous turns. NVM

Well, no it'd still be usefull to be four tiles away from a trench, move forward 2, fire, then move back two and end your turn for tiles away again.

But I guess since you are ending your turn where you started it still doesnt count as kiting

[loud schooner]

Matheus has agreed to transport me, hopefully you can get a medic on board

[dull chasm]

Honestly thinking about it, I’m not sure putting out only engineer with the mech lance is the best idea. Might be better for them to be in a centralized protected location, so they can spend all of their actions on repairs. And it’s much easier for the speed 4 mechs to come back, then for the tanks to head over.

Ideally we’d have 3+ engineers, so hopefully some more get recruited. Or another battle group is with us with a proper engineering corp.

It’s the engineer’s call ultimately

[forest trench]

Hmmm that's a good point.

Maybe I'll just carry a supply to reload Aukani's Autocannon

[loud schooner]

bravo might still need you to carry him around, probably best to see how things develop after we get more intel

[forest trench]

Yeah. Be the mechanical version of an ambulance. Just not focusing on just the mechs. Right. I really should have realized just sticking with the mechs was dumb when i found out we only had one engineer. I completely forgot the tanks would need him too. Got tunnle visioned.

[dull chasm]

I could also do it if you want to be with the Lance planet. I know I plan on playing a support/transport focused LV

[forest trench]

Well we got 4 support infantry and four LVs. Perfect combo. 3 ambulances 1 fast responce engineer

unless one of the medics doesn't want to ride

[dull chasm]

If for no other reason than strategic movement, they’ll need an assigned ride

[civic jackal]

Do we have rides for everyones units yet?

[atomic lantern]

who can even get my big butt to the ground lol other then a orbital.

[loud schooner]

Yes, but its wonky

[loud schooner]

Allied forces mostly likely'

[civic jackal]

Ok

[old palm]

I think one of our guys joined up with a logistical task force so maybe they can fly us

[loud schooner]

Not the whole BG. Unless we have a Task force form that can drop us off we'll have to come in late with allied vessels dropping us off, according to Shack

[old palm]

I thought task force 2 was looking to transport BGs

[loud schooner]

They are looking to transport Rabbit

[old palm]

Ahhh ok

[loud schooner]

They may or may not have room for more. Tac-coms are going to have to talk that voer

After they drop off a BG they are going to switch to AA work

[sinful light]

Isnt that 3?

[loud schooner]

?

[sinful light]

Taskforce 3

They are the ones dropping Rabbit to secure spaceports

[proper coral]

Yeah seems like it although I can’t confirm. I’ve heard conflicting things

[loud schooner]

Yeah, Fluffles

Hmm, who are Atlas dropping off

That I do not known

Forgot we have 3 instead of 2 TFs.

[proper coral]

I’ve heard that they are attempting to be a logi/supply force

[loud schooner]

Yeah, though it states in the lot they want to drop off a BG first. I wonder if the opening is already taken

[old palm]

I mentioned us to them last night but I haven’t checked back in if someone wants to ask them

[forest trench]

all infantry all horde tagged right?

[chrome dagger]

Infantry are not horde tagged, no

[forest trench]

Wait what? So it's harder for an HMG to kill six dudes than to kill a Light Mech?

[sinful light]

I mean a bit. Infantry can dive and take cover. Mechs not so much

Plus light mechs don't have a lot of armor

[errant mauve]

My thoughts also.

[chrome dagger]

That one point of armor plus evasive makes them impossible for an HMG to kill, if they do choose to evade

[sinful light]

Right

[forest trench]

Huh. So what has the hord tag? Bug swarms I assume. Would bots have swarms though?

[sinful light]

Plus the city should be able to provide cover for us

[errant mauve]

Please....please have Bot Swarms...

[sinful light]

I wonder how the city is layed out...

[gritty spruce]

Oh, so many new messages
What's been said?

[forest trench]

Good point. The debuff from going evasive means you have -2 to all your damage right?

[dull chasm]

I’d expect hoards to have 10+ FS

[forest trench]

Since attack rolls and damage rolls are the just one roll right?

[dull chasm]

Correct

[gritty spruce]

10 FS Scav Hordes were rough
Crazy times

[sinful light]

So for mechs that gives us a -3 with the armor

[forest trench]

Hmm so goin evasive means I'd be almost 3 times as tanky (more so really since you can't chip away at the +3 buff like you can HP) but what damage I do is halved and there'd be a 50/50 chance I do zilch. And ofcourse you cant stay still

[loud schooner]

We don't know, we know very little about the bots. We'll have to develop that intel

[dull chasm]

Evasive is -3 to enemy attacks incoming, but -2 to your own outgoing. So with that 1 armor, you are immune to enemy lasers and HMGs

[forest trench]

Yeah, and 6fs squads would need to roll a six to insta kill you. 1 in 6 chance of instant death is a lot better than 50/50

[dull chasm]

Hits system. They can’t instakill

Any amount of damage = -1 hit

[forest trench]

WHAT

[dull chasm]

It’s only FS units (so infantry) that more damage is worse

[forest trench]

WHAT

[gritty spruce]

Yeah

[dull chasm]

Yeah lol

It does explain this in the rules

[forest trench]

Oh wow! How did i miss that? That changes everything!

[gritty spruce]

Well, no
Higher damage does also subsystem damage to vehicles

Such as disabling the gun or the movement

But any attack can only take out 1 Hit, yes

[forest trench]

OMG it's in the naaaaame. Uuuuuug

[errant mauve]

Mutters about annoying Light Mechs in BattleTech games

[dull chasm]

Technically that’s based on the dice roll, not the damage. But yes.

[forest trench]

Though tbf hitpoints and health points have become similies and mean the same thing in most games so I'm used to attacks dealing more than one 'HP' of damage.

[dull chasm]

That’s why it’s called “hits” and not HP

[forest trench]

Yeah but in my head: Hits = Hitpoints= HP = health points = misunderstanding

[gritty spruce]

the dice roll is the damege tho

As its max value depends directly on the weapon damage stat

[forest trench]

And that explains why PA having hits instead of FS is so good

I was so confused about that

[errant mauve]

It took me a bit to compute it all as well, it came up when I was trying to figure out my Aerospace Fighter's weapon.

[dull chasm]

I guess it depends on how you conceptualize what step the roll becomes damage.

[gritty spruce]

Indeed

[gritty spruce]

It's normal
It is a pretty unique system after all

[forest trench]

Right that's another thing. Because the enemy and us fire simultaneously does the FS damage limit only take effect on the round after the damage taken? If my LV and an enemy unit with FS 6 both shoot at each other and I deal 4 damage, Does the enemy still roll a d6 agaist me since the unit was at 6FS when it started shooting me, but next round it'll only roll a d2?

[old palm]

What you don’t like my spider jumping behind you every turn lol

[sinful light]

AM I the only one who finds it odd VTOLs can't target ground targets?

Like, aren't helicopters main purpose air to ground combat?

[dull chasm]

Yup, they still get the full d6. Which is why even if you can flank some infantry or a tank, you will likely take a hit. Tank is probably worth it, but infantry will generally not be.

[loud schooner]

They can't? where is that? I know last campaign they were reduced to only adding an attack bonus to ground units but I don't believe they can't attack at all

[gritty spruce]

Didn't know they changed it. But it makes sense balance whise. On Titan they were a bit too good.

[loud schooner]

They still have the nose gun so Idk what's it for?

[gritty spruce]

I checked

It says it can't SPOT ground units

Not that it can't attack them

So you need friendlies on the ground to tell where they are

[potent ferry]

Im all for the idea of running supplies. I was considering getting the extra supply but I decided to hold onto the extra req for the next campaign

[sinful light]

OH

Thats my bad I mixed that up

[dull chasm]

Damn, what are you planning to spend 6 req on?

[potent ferry]

Orbitals

Gonna make myself a ship

[gritty spruce]

I too need 6 req for my next unit lol

I already have 4

[gritty spruce]

I'm gonna buy a log truck, armor it, and put and AA emplacement on top of it

[potent ferry]

I really want to make a battle cruiser headquarters/drop ship

[loud schooner]

Cool beans, maybe talk to Cradle or Bird and see if they would like the ride

[forest trench]

I'm debating on whether to make myself a ship too. I might just spend one rec on a crew company, and crew a ship to get the feel for it, then see if I want to be a captain. Then I'll have tons of rec to spend on a destroyer or freighter or whatever. Or I could upgrade my good ol' LV if it survives.

[potent ferry]

I hope being a LV is as fun as I think its going to be

Going around being an ambulance or quick supply

[forest trench]

Yeah. Maybe some kiting too. HMG gunner got itchy fingers

[errant mauve]

I think after experiencing this first Campaign I'll have a better idea what I will want to do in the future.

[sinful light]

Same

I might stick with mech or I may branch out

[potent ferry]

My first campaign was securing an airfield and holding it which was fun

[slate nymph]

Don't see why not

[forest trench]

Ah sorry, Plans changed. We only got one engineer in the BG so I'm going to be sticking with the tanks for the most part, and driving around wherever the engi is needed. Not sticking with the lances like I originally thought

[slate nymph]

Alrighty

[halcyon skiff]

Time to throw safety to the wind for storage!!!

[graceful hamlet]

So, been a bit since I checked, how're we doing on ships now?

[forest trench]

This'll totally not have unintended consequences!

[halcyon skiff]

Totally!!!

[forest trench]

Seriusly though, do you think there will be a downside to this? Like will there be a chance the VTOLs will crash? Or is this just a buff?

[halcyon skiff]

No clue

[gritty spruce]

It is, as long as you don't get shot at

[gritty spruce]

Yeah, makes sense
Especially now that the rules have somewhat stabilised

This is the 4th campaign I join as an IFV, and let me tell you, it's gonna play a lot different from the first

[vestal oracle]

I am excited to finally bring my HAT into a big game. Wonder if I'll be able to move troops between zones on the planet 🤔

[chrome dagger]

Best you could do normally is move troops between high/low orbit, since the BG has to remain cohesive. You could feasibly go between low and high orbit to bring back supplies and evac civilians

[gritty spruce]

Yeah
But if troops load on the HAT before we move to the next area, they'll be able to paradrop again, I'd presume?

Could be a strat

[chrome dagger]

Yeah, as long as we have the ability to load back into the HAT before

[halcyon skiff]

yo church besides me whos riding with you?

[ocean knot]

What’s the plan looking like

[forest trench]

Get deployed at the western city of Elim, march east until we hit bots or the eastern city of Ziyal, whichever comes first. Help evac any civies we see. Keep the bots from nabbing 'em.

[ocean knot]

alr

[gritty spruce]

Also, possibly not die

[forest trench]

Hopefully BG Rabbit and TF Fluffles don't get shot down, and we'll get good enough intel to make more detailed plans.

[gritty spruce]

Indeed

[vestal oracle]

So far I got @opaque kayak @thin shore you and @boreal nimbus I believe

Which I think is 2 inf, a medic, and an engi

[thin shore]

Hey Arufa, I'm actually helping the orbitals since they needed crew to get a logistics fleet up. I'm in TF2 Atlas

[gritty spruce]

Do we have like a spreadsheet with wip transport assignments?

Would be good for first deployment to minimize confusion and maximize efficiency.

For subsequent moves it will come natural depending on the situation on the ground

[forest trench]

That'd be good. Rabbit has one. Maybe 'Runner could copy their homework

Do we want more arty? Arty player looking for a BG.

NVM Dwarf Fort snapped them up

[slate nymph]

dang XD

the dwarves be dwarving

[unique island]

i dont think dwarf can move said arty tho

they said earlyer that for one to join they would need more truck

[loud schooner]

We are also hoping to hook all the medics up with an ambulance, the light vehicles are down for it

[ocean knot]

🥸 perfect

[potent ferry]

personally would prefer bringing in small supply first then doing ambulance things as we are so desperate for supply

[proper coral]

Groups are way more likely to have ways to consume supply than being able to provide it

[loud schooner]

You’d have to be ambulance first as we need to travel on the strategic map and you med teams will
Need transport for that. One we hit contacts and medics attach themselves to dismounted infantry platoons id be easier run supplies

[proper coral]

I say that as a group with 3 medics I think and no way to get logistics in

[potent ferry]

there is a severe lack of logitrucks

[proper coral]

Most VTOLs are dedicated to carrying units right now. Majority of trucks are in dwarf which is going to be on the north side of the planet. There is just a general lack of HATs

[forest trench]

Well, Our engineer can hold 5 small supply. (Meaning I can move 5x the supply when i do have four people sitting in the LV). But I'm not sure if the Engi can share those supples?

[vestal oracle]

I would love it if we did, I got space in my hull for some more peeps but not sure who needs/wants a ride and to where

[chrome dagger]

The other battlegroups in our planned sectors have HATs, coordinating supply drops with our logi truck we should be good for supplies once we get to where we're going

[loud schooner]

The other BGs shouldn’t have a problem making a FOB we can pull resources from

[proper coral]

I don’t know this stuff but make sure it doesn’t require some sort of engineering upgrade. We don’t have more than like maybe one or two engineers with upgrades

[simple ridge]

Do we know what the transport plans are yet 100%?

[proper coral]

Even if I remembered right now I’m sure it would change in like 3 days

TF2 is focusing logi heavy so I don’t think they are transporting units. TF3 is dedicated to transporting rabbit although rabbit may split into two BG’s to make sure they have enough space

[sinful light]

Especially Redwall

Who we will be working with alongside venator

[loud schooner]

Yup, it’s the trifecta

A HBG, MBG and an IBG

[simple ridge]

So we’re going from Elim to Crossroads to Ziyal?

[loud schooner]

Yuppers

[forest trench]

I feel like we've kinda done all the planning and prep. Or at least most of it. Now it's just waiting for over a week :C

[proper coral]

You think so but in another week we might have 3-4 more battlegroups and you’ll want to maybe change your plans. Who knows

[forest trench]

You don't think the number of players is going to be capped soon? I figured we wouldn't go past 400.

[mild flower]

Howdy gang, Engi from Redwall stopping in. Glad to see a rough plan formulating. Redwall is planning to form up behind you and Venator.

[opaque kayak]

ive been offline for a while, can someone give me a rundown?

[proper coral]

Idk, nothing has been announced so far. I would imagine we will at least go to 500 because we already passed 400 a few hours ago

[forest trench]

We'll land at the western city, and push east are far as we can hopefully getting dug in in the eastern city and hold the bots there while we try to evac civilians. We got a good mix of units, and all support units'll be in LVs for rapid response.

[loud schooner]

It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve gone over 500 players

I think the point is to not have a player cap

[sinful light]

WE have done all we can with out limited intel currently

If anything new comes in we can adapt

[quasi crest]

Looking forward to deploying. Maybe we can organize, in the doc or here, which foot troops are riding on which vehicles?

[sinful light]

Grabbed Redwalls battle plan

And I gotta say @mild flower you did a good job making this

[forest trench]

I wonder how good a destroyer with 4 breach pods would be. Have people run that type of ship before? Can you board ships without using breach pods?

[chrome dagger]

This is the first campaign with the new orbital system, so no one has tried that. I would imagine it's possible, though risky, to use VTOLs if they can get close. Bear in mind that those pods are only able to board lighter orbitals

[forest trench]

Flanking rules work on orbitals no?

Use the destroyer's speed to get around behind, and blast 'em through the ships engines into engineering

[chrome dagger]

I...don't know if that works...? Good question to ask though

[forest trench]

I suppose there'd be a risk of the ship turning and the pod's smashing against the armor.

Wait, can fighters only fire their machine gun once before needing to head back to base?

It's a machine gun...

[chrome dagger]

That is how it works, yeah

[forest trench]

Wait, and Bombers have unlimited ordnance ammo?

[sinful light]

Venator got us a image for Elim City

[chrome dagger]

No they have to fly back to base to rearm like fighters

[sinful light]

Hard to tell for now, but looks like we may have a bit of tight roads

[forest trench]

Then why doesn't it say (Ammo 1) like on the fighters?

[chrome dagger]

Just a bit of inconsistency, it says in the doc, under both unit types, that they need to rearm after every attack

[forest trench]

Well no, it says they need to reload after every attack, which takes a primary action, and that rearming requires landing. Are those two words interchangeable in this context?

[chrome dagger]

Yeah, reloading requires supply no matter what type of unit you are, fighters/bombers can't carry supply, so it's implied that they need to rearm at an airfield

[forest trench]

Like IRL a tank reloads after every shot, but it takes like 30 shots before they are out of ammo and need to rearm

Ok, so it's just odd wording.

[sinful light]

Intel just came in from Venator, we got a map for Ziyal

[forest trench]

Wait wait wait. VTOLs have a nose gun that they can fire all they like. I mean, it's a shitty d2, but why not give fighters a fixed D2 gun as a back up weapon? As is, an unupgraded fighter can't ever kill another unupgraded fighter without going home and rearming. No dogfights? Huh?

Aren't fighters supposed to be AA?

I guess the worry is that they'd be too good at it if they had a d2? Or well, actually it'd suck... you couldn't use it while evasive, and you could never hit an evasive target... Hmm. but that could be an interesting trade off. You'd have a weapon you can always use after you run out of ammo, but it requires you to be much more vulnerable

[sterile hollow]

Unless I'm reading wrong, Ziyal looks to have a lot of open spaces to cross

[rustic zealot]

It’ll be a journey. But that’ll be the best part

[sterile hollow]

Should give us a few good spots to dig in where bots have no cover to advance, assuming we get their first

[forest trench]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B6dsfGazyI&list=PLR5qYNG5Nf7WFbZ6wr-rr7gDnALA4C8mQ&index=35

Start at 1:07

[loud schooner]

We ain’t getting there first, is the current assumption

They are much closer

[sterile hollow]

Just read the new midround event, I'm thinking VTOLs might need some repairs when we start deploying

[golden falcon]

I imagine the bots will meet us halfway and it will be a fighting advance. We’ve got thousands of miles but enough bots to shoot to keep us entertained.

[loud schooner]

🤷‍♂️

[errant mauve]

Glances up at the Fighter talk

[forest trench]

heh... yeah.

I got myself worked up

[errant mauve]

So I get to do something every four...or five rounds?

[forest trench]

I guess? Depends on how far the air feild is i guess. And if you going evasive when you shoot there is a 50/50 chance you do nothing

[errant mauve]

I knew about the Evasive part.

[forest trench]

Honestly an un-upgraded fighter seems quite underpowered. Where they always like this? Maybe I'm missing something big.

[dull chasm]

I know in previous campaigns, fighters could often re-arm, launch, and reach enemy contact all in the same round. Speed 6 is a lot

[forest trench]

Ah good point!

[dull chasm]

Considering Ziyal's position realative to the enemy gate, I HIGHLY doubt we will make it there first.

[forest trench]

Well, rearming takes a primary action, so firing your weapon will have to be every other round at least

[dull chasm]

The big thing is that fighters have an interupt when they engage. If they get a target lock on a bomber, it can't drop bombs. Get it on a transport, no paradrops.

[forest trench]

Oh, interesting. Where does it say that in the rules?

[dull chasm]

Also outside of the AA turret upgrades for tanks/logi, I think all other AA options are supply contract missiles? So only once per mission. Fighters are one of the only consistent anti-air options

[forest trench]

Oh yeah your right! You also got the guns on orbitals (right?) but they can't stay for long

[dull chasm]

In the tags section

So the dogfighting is trying to maneuver such that you end up behind the enemy fighter and out of their line of fire.

[forest trench]

Wait! Even if you dont deal damage the target is still forced to attack you! So attacking while evasive makes a ton of sence, and this also explains why they gave the planes such a tiny amount of ammo! It all makes sense now!

[dull chasm]

Assuming we meet contact at Crossroads, do we fight there? Or try to push through and reach the city ASAP?

[dull chasm]

low ammo also incentivizes team play, which I think is the main reason.

[loud schooner]

We or at least one of BG Trifecta will have to kill anything on the way, won’t want anything behind us causing problems

[dull chasm]

iirc two battlegroups are also planning to park at crossroads? So there is that.

[loud schooner]

Yeah, the trifecta

Sorry to specific I mean Venator, Redwall and Spearhead

[dull chasm]

Does anyone know what the transport situation looks like in Venator and Redwall? Because it's looking like we will be moving at a full 2 speed on the ground, which is good.

[loud schooner]

No clue ground transport wise but it can’t be any worse than ours

[dull chasm]

Oh it can be. Very possible to have more infantry than transports for them

[forest trench]

@errant mauve Did you know about the Interceptor trait? Powerful stuff.

[loud schooner]

Let me take a look at redwall, if there is a problem it would
Be there but I believe they are lush in trucks

[golden falcon]

Venator has soo many Main Battle Tanks. They’re moving at speed 2.

[golden falcon]

I don’t know. It’ll depend on how events develop. But I was sold on this BG because of frontal assault on Ziyal city. So my instinct is we would leave Crossroads to Rabbit and push forward on the long road to Ziyal.

[dull chasm]

Venator has 12 infantry, but only 3 IFV and 1 Logi.
...but they also have 3 Vtol, 2 H-Vtol, and 6 HAT

They also have our only super heavy tank, which is speed 1

[errant mauve]

I did read about it. Also with what Tamwin5 said about rearming. I guess it will all make more sense once things kick off.

[dull chasm]

Redwall has 13 infantry and 8 PAI, but only 2 logi and no IFV. They'll be moving at speed 1.

[forest trench]

Just wanted to make sure. I was worried I had discouraged you with all my uninformed doom and gloom

[golden falcon]

Ok I see what I said about Venator’s speed was inaccurate, but my main point was they won’t move faster than us, so I’m still accurate.

[dull chasm]

oh I didn't think they'd be moving faster. I thought they might be moving slower. Speed 2 is good, at a battlegroup layer. The only units which go higher are logi, LVs, and LMs (well and aeorspace)

[errant mauve]

Nah, you had just voiced something I was wondering about the rearming and reloading.

[dull chasm]

I could see a world where Spearhead is speed 2, gets to the city first, the venator and redwall come in after at speed 1. But it looks like Venator will be right there with us

[forest trench]

nice

[dull chasm]

The big difficulty will be that we don't have the engineers to set up a proper airfield. So we'll need to look to capture intact existing infrastructure.

or hope that an orbital task force with hanger bays decides to join us (unlikely)

[forest trench]

We will wash over them like a tidal wave. All at once. All together. Except Rabbit (Hopefully they don't get minced).

[dull chasm]

iirc rabbit is aiming more QRF than tip of the spear. So if they get minced, it's pulling someone else out of the fire.

[forest trench]

Fluffle's motto begs to differ 😛

[dull chasm]

oh damn redwall has five engineers. Ok yeah lets hope they catch up to us quick ;^^

though actually I suspect they will be aiming more to do fortification than vehicle repair

[loud schooner]

Yeah, they are moving to fortify any ground we take, set up a FOB and defensive positions

[forest trench]

@atomic lantern Heavy mech with short range weapons and an engineer repairing them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0t4bY4kkmQ

[inland trail]

Lancer's cool.

[errant mauve]

Good game.

Give me a Genghis and I'm happy.

[inland trail]

Oh, picking a favorite mech it's like picking my favorite child. Caliban? Drake? Nelson? Raleigh? Atlas? Metalmark? Orchis? Swallowtail? Balor? Hydra? Lich? Barbarossa? Gilgamesh? Saladin? Sherman? Tagetes? Just so many cool mechs.

[loud schooner]

Locust, locust all the way

[gritty spruce]

Dogfights basically work that 2 groups of fighters engage eachother, do the damage and then retreat to reload and redeploy

[gritty spruce]

Only if we have someone that can move it

[gritty spruce]

Then we just need to stay close enough that very damaged vehicles can go back to them easily

[gritty spruce]

No airport looks like (unless it's that thing on the left, in the middle). But plenty of space to build one.

[slate nymph]

What's the green line for?

[mild flower]

Can't take the credit! Sierra made it!

[sick thorn]

We have 3 BG dropping into Ziyal?

[acoustic yarrow]

I guess so

[peak anchor]

(A bit late to the party, but:)

Additionally, in a previous campaign, fighters were FS based not hit based, too.

That's one of the main buffs they got for survivability, and makes the job of AA a lot harder. And I don't know if they had evasive as an option before, either.

But yeah, the ammo thing is one of the reasons I picked up an AA tank. Consistent AA dps without needing to reload, and it's on a ground based platform with armour

[chrome dagger]

Other units can take a primary action to reload a fighter, like flight crew on an orbital

[halcyon mulch]

You guys have a heavy Mech? That's so cool

[mild flower]

Just an update for our OP neighbors.

Redwall has five Engis should you need repairs. Ideally, we'll be behind you and Venator in Ziyal.

In the event that fails, and we're landing in Eim, Redwall will participate in holding Crossroads. Ill personally (Engineer Brick) be in the lead elements with our PAI should anyone need repairs.

Just be advised we have only two logi for supplies.

[forest trench]

Thanks! We could definitely use the help. Poor Saltine is going be worked to the bone as our only engineer. And you got twice the logi too

[mild flower]

Oof LOL

[atomic lantern]

morning everyone.

[forest trench]

'mornin!

[sinful light]

Sounds good

Hmmm

I wonder what our BG Insignia would be

[old palm]

I actually was making something up and totally forgot to post it, I’ll be sure to send it when I’m home

[golden falcon]

A big spear!

[dull chasm]

Maybe even just the head of it ;D

Ooh wait or actually, spear with a skull on the end, the tip coming out of the mouth

[old palm]

The one I was making up was a spartan thrusting his spear and the tip was the Armco logo

[golden falcon]

Or maybe a skull impaled on a spear.

[dull chasm]

Through the mouth? Of straight up through the top of the head?

[golden falcon]

Straight through the top of the head. The mouth has … implications.

But hey, if someone takes the time to design that then what can I say. People who just talk can’t say much to people who can make.

[sinful light]

I dunno, a skull feels a bit, crass

[dull chasm]

It’s for making the head pun. Better than a non-skull head

[forest trench]

Same. Also, our BG is founded during a fight against robots, not humans. It doesn't fit our history.

We are an equal oprortunity stabber. We don't just stab humans

I think just a spear pointing upwards, (or to the right? To symbolize our eastward march?) with the slogan 'Through and Through' (or Per et Per if we want to be all fancy with Latin) would be great.

Or the spear could plung downward (maybe the tip is slightly buried in earth?) to symbolize us descending from orbit to dig in

[hard hedge]

We could do a robot head impaled on the spear, if we’re set on the stabbing, but I do agree it could get crass

[forest trench]

An impaled Toaster could be fun. Add some levity

[hard hedge]

That’s actually great, I love that

I don’t have the skill to do a toaster, but I could mock up a basic stylized spear

It’s not dissimilar to my own company logo (profile image)

[forest trench]

Hmm. I might be able to do something quick in Krita.

[gritty spruce]

Ah, don't worry, the guy who makes all the patches will do one at some point.

[forest trench]

Right but this would be a mock up to test whether we like it. Don't want to waste the patches maker's time by ask for a patch we end up not liking

[civic jackal]

Question what if we have the spearhead going though a planet or moon?

We could even have the planet or moon cracking or breaking apart

[forest trench]

I tried Having the spear head go through something, but I wasn't aboe to get it to look good. Eighter the spear head part was too small or the object impailing was too big.

[civic jackal]

Ok

[forest trench]

Cant really make out the spear head. But I'm not that good at this so maybe there is a good way to do it that im missing

[forest trench]

How 'bout something simpler

[halcyon skiff]

have i missed anything important

[forest trench]

When was the last time you where on?

[ocean knot]

https://tenor.com/view/box-spear-cat-gif-14164917

[forest trench]

Nothing much has happened today. Oh wait shack posted some new maps

A map of the mountains around crossroads.

[halcyon skiff]

little bit yestrady but didnt look alot

what happened yesterday?

[forest trench]

hmmm. Well, we decided since we got 4 LVs and Four support units (3 medics, 1 engi) the LVs would be their dedicated quick response vehicles. We are ging to deploy from Elim and try to push towards Ziyal and help evacuate civies. We'll be pushing with Redwall and... I forget... Venetor?

BG Dwarf Fort is going to try to hold the northern town and mine (Tons of arty and engineers). And BG Rabbit formed TF Fluffle to transport them east fast. They plan on hot dropping, and expect heavy casualties. Once they scout out everything they'll transition to QRF.

[halcyon skiff]

Ight

Thx for info

[forest trench]

Oh and Stormblessed has like literally half the VTOL players. It's crazy.

[loud schooner]

They are the QRF

[sterile hollow]

For anyone that hasn't checked out the midround events, looks like orbitals carry more VTOLs but lose defence as a cost

[sinful light]

After that we will follow in with Redwall and Venator to either secure Ziyal or fortify crossroads and assist in covering for evacuations

Mechs are probably going to act as Forward Units and convoy guards

[sinful light]

https://orbat-mapper.app/chart
Venator gave me this neat link to make a orbat

[loud schooner]

Neat

This is my wheelhouse, I'll throw together something

I'd say we are about battalion strength

Noooot as indebt as I thougt it was

[halcyon skiff]

we got anyone who can make pie chart of our BG

[forest trench]

Oh whoops I forgot you couldn't add attachments to edits. Anyway just adjusted the text slightly 'cause it was asymmetrical and bothering me. but I couldn't add the new image to my original post

[forest trench]

Pie chart of the diferent unit types?

[halcyon skiff]

ye

[chrome dagger]

Thank you, planetfall

[forest trench]

oooh! Interesting.

Wait I just noticed the spearhead is the Armco logo! Fun!