Battlegroup 3/13 - The Storm Blessed: Comms

[storm basin]

I dunno how this works

[edgy ember]

unless we expect heavy AA, starting airborne in the map next turn will give us a chance to make a plan

[kind oyster]

It's best if we could see the map first, i wouldn't want to stay Airborne if the whole area is swarming with Bots

[chrome knoll]

good evening ppl
-# kinda flipped my sleep schedule by accident yesterday

[kind oyster]

Then just flip it again

Aka flip it off

[chrome knoll]

-# yep, ima try doing that, ain't first time this has happened

[lean berry]

General Briefing (also in the pins)

[kind oyster]

Don't forget to put the intent of flying low

[hollow canopy]

Frens

[storm basin]

Deemed ‘friend’```

[untold pine]

So for order, just fly in formation? Or should we actully specify where we want to go?

[hollow canopy]

X3

[storm basin]

Seems like we’re just flying over rn

[untold pine]

Ok

[storm basin]

So yeah, formation

[hollow canopy]

I think I'm formed up. =v=

[cunning aurora]

Guys do remember the orders are there for two reasons:
Proove you're active
Communicate with us (TCOs)

If we're all going to the same place we're gonna paste pretty much the same way no matter what exactly you write in your orders.

On combat turns it's much more important to be specific

[chrome knoll]

-# since things seem to be all planned out this turn, this is my attempt at starting a BG-wide RP radio check-in call to all units in STORM, lmk if this is eh.
[RP Post]
-STORM Radio Comms-
"-This is VTOL Si-Sok to all units in STORM comms, it seems like we are all geared up for another scouting mission to Nery's Village. Be prepared, we have no intel on even the topography of the area, let alone possible landing zones.
-# ...Ancestors watch over us.
On a more casual note, how has everyone been faring thus far? We've had it pretty tough the day before after all, over.-"

[lean berry]

Tempest - @dire viper @ashen crypt @untold pine @odd fiber @narrow sand @worldly meteor

Orders are due <t:1752098580:R> (at <t:1752098580:t>)

Tremor - @feral yoke @dull marten @mellow scroll @weary apex @upper depot @fiery summit @sudden tiger @little grail @exotic lion

[storm basin]

That’s… a lotta people

[untold pine]

Don’t worry, I am doing my on my lunch

[lean berry]

Hence the ping

Afk for an hour or two

[ashen crypt]

@weary apex Ready for pickup?

[feral yoke]

doing it atm

[narrow sand]

Done!

[chrome knoll]

The Radio channel remains quiet, Crickets can be heard.

"-...Oh yeah, I forgot that most units operate at a different timezone to us. Curse our main operating timezone... Sigh.-"
"-Anyways, onto serious business. Si-Sok to @hushed trout , we are ready to pick you up. Si-Sok to Charon, supplies have been loaded and we are ready to go, over.-"
-# does editing in a ping notify ppl nowadays? it used to not as far as i rmb

[storm basin]

I mean Mal probably isn’t sleeping

They just either don’t give a shit or are unable to fully understand ya

[upper depot]

Got my orders in

[hushed trout]

"Good copy, Si-Sok. We're waiting for you just outside the spaceport. Look for a snowman with bot's head and you'll find us. Apiary out."

[chrome knoll]

"-Copy that Apiary, identifying location... identifed. We are flying over there, over.-"

[storm basin]

The translator probably isn’t the most important function for Mal rn (remember they are the only non-robot in my unit)

But yes, my character relies heavily on AIs

[hollow canopy]

"Enni's Ready, Willing and Able again. We're pushing off of Atlas's Corvette before they find out what we did."

[storm basin]

Meanwhile, in another VTOL with which thawing ice can be heard 4 immobile statues look forwards towards the ramp, which they recently entered
Data was running, slow too slow, minor imperfections here and there with the strategy, losses of 4 units seemed of minor importance, it’s one of the reasons skipping the briefings was a good idea, after all, many would die before the campaign ended
All what mattered was ensuring that the abominable mind behind this felt pain

-# There’s my mini rp

[dull marten]

Ok so we are going to Nerys village right? I’ll mark it down like our turn 1 order like previously if that’s cool

[storm basin]

Yeah we’re going to Nery’s atmosphere

[dull marten]

-# sorry for ruining your guys’ RP moment

[hollow canopy]

x3

[chrome knoll]

"- Copy tha- wait wha- ...y'know what, ima skip over that, its good that they've recovered anyhow... Uhm, glad to see Enni's ABLE again, over. Wonder what Enni did on Sentin-" [Radio cuts off]
-# Therali didn't realize the radio can hear his muttering

[chrome knoll]

nw, u knowing what's going on is more important

[storm basin]

Smite the heretic who dares interrupt our roleplay
-# All jokes aside it’s fine

[fiery summit]

do I need to take anyone? I’m on Picket rn so it’ll be a bit harder for me.

[chrome knoll]

regarding movement issues in Elim: shouldn't matter much since we ignoring tactical movement (while in Elim) this turn + Picket is still in atmo
(am also in Picket rn)

[ashen crypt]

Submitted. Hopefully my positioning isn't too vague.

[storm basin]

It’s really a check in tbh

We aren’t deploying on a map, just arriving over Nery rn

[hollow canopy]

To be honest, it's the downtime I find the most amusing, since that's free reign for shenanigans. =v=

[chrome knoll]

[-After this radio call-](#1382040199797801031 message)
"-Speaking of timezones, the crew of Si-Sok is operating well past our rest time, so we're using this down time to take a nap. Si-Sok over and out.-"
-# ima sleep, see y'all in 8 hrs

[fiery summit]

@lean berry do I need to load anyone up? or am I good to go immedietly.

[storm basin]

Check pins

New formation

[lean berry]

Yeah, you're still paired with Fate. Just won't cost any speed since Elim City doesn't have a TAC-Map this turn.

[fiery summit]

Alright, willdo

[untold pine]

Alright got my order in. Will have to re make it once I’m off work, just to put RP in

[lean berry]

You can do as others and have a second message immediately below which you designate for RP

[untold pine]

Ah

[exotic lion]

hey @upbeat lily , would you mind if I took one of your small supply to top off? im only at 1/4 medic supply right now

[real minnow]

All of your docked VTOLs are aware we're leaving Elim this turn, right?

don't wanna accidentally drag them to another point

[hollow canopy]

They should be, everyone should be joining Formation this turn

[upbeat lily]

Yeah, go ahead. I probably won’t be able to edit my orders for this round, but I’ll make a mental note for next rounds

[lean berry]

Yes

[ashen crypt]

"Affirmative Si-Sok, this is Penny Farthing preparing for departure. I don't know about you, but my first flight has been a rousing success. Hoogs and I dismantled out a bot squad, then figured out they were vulnerable from the back.
We have no damage or injuries to report. I don't even need to resupply or refuel, so I've just been surveying the area while Hoogs guards the civilians at the starport. We'll be loaded up and ready to rendevous in a few minutes."

[lean berry]

@weary apex please submit your orders ASAP so you don't get marked MIA. Or at least let us know what is going on so we can work with you to help you continue to play.

[lean berry]

Storm Turn 6 Intentions posted

Let me know if I made any errors

[hollow canopy]

Looks about right, not too much to screw up, quite frankly. :O

[heady plaza]

static

A repeating distress beacon can be detected on certain frequencies.

[kind oyster]

Tempest Rising

[storm basin]

We get mentioned

also

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382040199797801031/1389992659577471100/Shack_is_typing.gif

[chrome knoll]

our turn
-# i give up sleeping, its 5am

[edgy ember]

STORM BLESSED! ON DECK!

[hollow canopy]

I'd say go to bed, but don't, you might get shot

[edgy ember]

Lets see how it goes...

[storm basin]

Tbh the only risk is the storm

It may entirely fuck us and cause a crash

As we’re facing bad weather in these mountains

[edgy ember]

sounds lke the village might be okay

[cunning aurora]

So peaceful 😄

[feral yoke]

yeah, I have a feeling it won't be peaceful for long

[hollow canopy]

If they've got like, a bar, we have to side-track, just for like, a day

[storm basin]

I do not believe it

[chrome knoll]

oh... if it's not a facade (/doubt) evac them now, they are right beside bot-infested crossroads

[edgy ember]

I think landing and talking to the locals for intel is a good idea

[storm basin]

This is sus

It’s peaceful, when an order for evacuation should have already happened

[edgy ember]

we will proceed with caution

[feral yoke]

we could try sneaking in with specops first to scout out whats going on

[storm basin]

If Ziyal was besieged and began to fall, they would’ve prioritised either getting security to these towns or evacuating everyone

[edgy ember]

We deploy, ensure the village is friendly, then hold the route to crossroads until the civies are safe

[vast lodge]

That on the tac comm orders

[storm basin]

No one in their sane mind would just leave hundreds of civvies in towns

[edgy ember]

depends on how tight the timeline was

they may have rushed crossroads and Elim city

[storm basin]

Well…

[edgy ember]

bypassing minor settlements

we cannot know either way

[chrome knoll]

...seems like this isn't a trap

[cunning aurora]

I mean one node they're connected to is safe, the other is crossroads which is contested

I think they're safe for now

[storm basin]

Finley and our SF (I can’t spell user) arrived about over 3 days before us

[cunning aurora]

ARMCO is gonna take all the aggro from the bots

[storm basin]

Assuming logic, the bots have either landed or constructed a war factory after arriving

[rancid oasis]

Depends on how well organized they were. If the bots managed to knock out some govt and military leaders it could just be a bunch of junior officers doing the best they can

[storm basin]

Elim was almost lost, entire blocks have been razed practically

Okay that’s a lil less sus

[vast lodge]

But if everything fine we can split and move the civilians to the city with the vtol

[edgy ember]

Looks like the civvies got trapped, and have done their best

[storm basin]

Yeah now I feel a bit better

[hollow canopy]

That's true, they are in a dead-end without air access...

[storm basin]

The original intel was very sus, since it seemed too good

[chrome knoll]

should we drop off tremor and focus tempest on evaccing? if no tac-map then VTOLs can do
Nery's <-> Elim twice per turn

[edgy ember]

I think thats the right idea

assuming we can land and such without issue

[cunning aurora]

I mean do we think we have to? We were scouting to make sure there were no hostiles about to flank us

I think we're better served going to one of the many fronts

[storm basin]

Are we sure we should leave them here?

[hollow canopy]

Ya, the bots won't even be able to launch an Air Assault here. Crossroads is already contested and Venator's on the South Route with C-Z

[chrome knoll]

yet at the same time, if Crossroads start getting heated bots may have to retreat to Nery's

[vast lodge]

Let’s see how crossroads go first

[storm basin]

I love this humour

[hollow canopy]

=v= Well, there's our answer.

[storm basin]

Mal would probably be slightly humoured by this, just because it’s funny that they fight with people of “dirt”

[cunning aurora]

I thought they said "No thanks"

[hollow canopy]

XD That's what I thought too. Like "Nah, we got this"

[edgy ember]

As I see it, we have three options. Until we know the situation we cannot decide.

1. Hold the village
2. Push to crossroads to support
3. Push to Cell'dar to support

[storm basin]

The civvies and probably some local militia seem willing to handle themselves

[rancid oasis]

So what do you think the odds are that I can steal one of these?

[cunning aurora]

Hill Mine could still be an option. Need to see how bad they get

[edgy ember]

we should draw up plans for each option, then we can activate the plan that fits best

[hollow canopy]

Cell'dar was secured, I believe, Venator took it's Grav-Lift down without issue

[storm basin]

If we find one unmanned you could try taking it

However I’d recommend a strong analysis before turning it on

[cunning aurora]

Venator is at C-Z

[edgy ember]

They may need support, but at best its two maps worth of travel. We are not in position to assist easily

[rancid oasis]

Yeah, I guess we need to check to see if they use humonoid bots to pilot those things or if they just build the bots into the airframe

[cunning aurora]

Same position to reinforce C-Z if we wanted to

[storm basin]

Being real

If we get a turn with one of these I could try spending a whole turn making you a cockpit

[chrome knoll]

Also, C-Z is looking to be AA Hell, unless the enitre BG is going i aint touching that area with a 50km navigation stick

[cunning aurora]

That's true. We haven't seen Crossroads though

could be worse 😄

[rancid oasis]

If we can pull this off, you'll be my favorite person in this Discord

[storm basin]

It’d be funny plus I want to tinker with their shit anyway

[cunning aurora]

I don't think we can get far enough into C-Z for it to matter tbh

[edgy ember]

Im in

[storm basin]

I don’t really care what I get to tinker with, it just gotta be functional

[edgy ember]

tinkering is fun

[chrome knoll]

-# also, we are already sacrificing 2 HATs from Venator to the blood gods, we should try not to join them

[storm basin]

I don’t care where we find functional bot equipment/vehicles I just wanna tinker

[edgy ember]

engineer gotta engineer

[chrome knoll]

Flight Engineer Pearson: As much as I want to tinker with enemy gear, unfortunately I left my tools over at the 1st GED Flagship. So unless any of y'all let me borrow some gear, I can really only do surface-level analysis during downtime.

[edgy ember]

You can help me if you want

[trail spade]

Sfora always have some tools at hand. Vtolf has dedicated compartment for such.

[storm basin]

I sadly don’t have tools to spare, but in rp my person would politely decline
-# Which would fail translation and sound calm before short but guttural syllables came out their mouth

[hollow canopy]

The only thing my squad has are recycled rifle rounds, blank rounds and too much candy

[chrome knoll]

Pearson: ...good idea, we really should add them back in. Si-Sok has proven to be able to carry max cargo with a lot of leeway left, so a quick ajustment should do. This is our first deployment, you see. We didn't know what to expect so we calculated in... 37.5% leeway, just to be safe.

[chrome knoll]

P: If we have any downtime, sure. Tho listening to ARMCO-wide comms, seems like things are heating up fast everywhere else. so we may be busy for a while.

[trail spade]

There is no such thing like too much candy. Ask most of kids...

[hollow canopy]

True

[lean berry]

Current Storm Briefing

-# for reference

[hollow canopy]

Do we have to evac them? The place seems safe enough with the current frontlines

[chrome knoll]

will see how crossroads unfold first before i formulate opinion,
e.g. if❔s start looking to move south, we evac

[untold pine]

Couldn’t we tell them to walk there?

[chrome knoll]

can't, air/orbital only

[hollow canopy]

No, no land routes out of the village other than into Crossroads

[storm basin]

I mean… if ya wanna advise people to do a Hannibal and cross the alps you can

Sadly I don’t think these people are battle hardened veterans

[chrome knoll]

also, despite them not coming under attack, they currently don't have a way out and thus are still in a precarious position.

Let's see if the locals have any requests to be evacced as well.

[weary apex]

I'm so sorry, I was swamped with work, I forgot to check my discord

[lean berry]

Ah, gotcha. Glad to know you're still here and haven't gone AWOL

[strange sigil]

Agreed

[lean berry]

Are Discord PMs more effective for getting your attention?

[strange sigil]

So should we set up a poll on what to do next?

Or are we following briefing

[chrome knoll]

wait for briefing first i'd say

lets see how bad the combat turn goes

[storm basin]

Tbh

I don’t have high hopes

[narrow sand]

Evacuate to where?

[hollow canopy]

Elim City, most likely

[real minnow]

Hey, y'all got a codename for those big gunships?

[narrow sand]

Celldar is getting attacked already?

[storm basin]

Not yet

[narrow sand]

No, but i really really want one

[hollow canopy]

Brawlers?

[narrow sand]

Permission to go hijack the docked one?

[lean berry]

So Artistic's point is that Nerys Village should have been evacuated unless they were caught unawares. It sounds like they were caught unawares enough to not be able to evacuate through Crossroads, but had enough time to blockade the way out as best they could.

[storm basin]

Yup

[hollow canopy]

Their evac route got cut-off before it happened, I guess.

[lean berry]

Since they're in a dead end we're their only hope

[storm basin]

I assumed they wouldn’t be caught unaware as I assumed word would immediately spread

[lean berry]

Wait, did we become the code-name-giving BG?

[hollow canopy]

I vote "Brawlers" or "Broadswords"

[storm basin]

Isn’t broadswords the name of a gunship from Supreme Commander?

[hollow canopy]

Damn, I got called out, like instantly.

[real minnow]

Already got Brawlers for the Frigate that ran away

I like Broadswords tho

[hollow canopy]

Ya, I was looking through the names of the gunships from Supreme Commander. =v="

[storm basin]

It’s fine

I just watch Supreme Commander casts

So I went hold up”

[granite bear]

Glaives

[hollow canopy]

That sounds good. :o

[lean berry]

Ravager for the gunships

[chrome knoll]

Note: Avoid Big Red Circle-things and Big ❔s from now on whenever navigating. 50/50 they are bot AA

[lean berry]

Weapon names doesn't fit with the theme

[chrome knoll]

...at least the bots made it obvious for us

[lean berry]

Also Glaive or Sword are too close (or in some cases the same as) to certain players names or call signs

[storm basin]

Want me to make something up for like 10 hours later (after I wake up)?

I just can’t promise you it’ll be in english
;w;

[real minnow]

nobody named Glaive that I could find

[storm basin]

I make up phrases

[lean berry]

A player in a previous campaign was Glaive

[storm basin]

Isn’t that a defence turret from Supreme Commander?

[lean berry]

It's also a word

[storm basin]

Yeah I know

[lean berry]

For something/someone who ravages

[hollow canopy]

And yes, it's the T3 UEF PD Turret. =v=

[storm basin]

I just correlate stuff to names of what I know

[granite bear]

And someone could choose the name Brawler. I don't think we should go off "could be a call sign" unless all future names for enemies need to be over 7 characters

[lean berry]

Which the massive bot gunships are probably aiming to do

[lean berry]

Never heard of it

[storm basin]

K’azilakire
That’s my submission, don’t ask for a translation, you ain’t getting one
-# As none exist

But I prefer Ravager anyway

[lean berry]

More so trying to be descriptive

And thematic

[storm basin]

It’s an old game, what is ran by a group of people who use mods to keep it running

[lean berry]

Which Tormentor, Brawler, and Ravager all are in theme

[frank ore]

BMF- big mother f***er

[storm basin]

Aka Supreme Commander Reforged (is da mod if I am correct)

[granite bear]

What is the theme exactly?

[storm basin]

I think it’s that they’re all violent

[real minnow]

Ends in R, sounds spooky

violent, yes

[lean berry]

(yes, I'm aware Vulture doesn't fit the theme very well)

[hollow canopy]

I play Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance Forever, but that's for SU:FA, really.

[storm basin]

That might be the mod I mean

I don’t know names

[hollow canopy]

More like it's own launcher, but ye. =v=

[real minnow]

Vultur

ends in r, sounds spooky, is violent

[hollow canopy]

What was Vulture again? The Designation for an ODT Orbital?

[real minnow]

yup

[hollow canopy]

I think it got the name Vulture cause people were assuming it was taking capatives, so the name doesn't even fit...

[real minnow]

I've been tracking the codenames we pick

[lean berry]

I suggested Vulture because it was hovering over it's prey, waiting for it to be dead before swooping in

[real minnow]

(and some that haven't been mentioned officially)

[hollow canopy]

Hehehe.... Thug could work. =v=

[granite bear]

I think the general naming has been based off whatever it was doing or seemingly designed to do at time of discovery lol. Vulture was acting like a buzzard over a near dead corpse so it made sense lol

[true crescent]

do we have a name for the massive SPGS the bots have beside just an SPG

looking at the midrounds they seem to be anti everything guns

[hollow canopy]

Thumpers come to mind as a name

[lean berry]

Thumpers could do, although not very dangerous sounding to me

[granite bear]

Considering the theme them Ravager or Raider would be my choices for the gunships. Storm-callers for SPG?

[lean berry]

-# I blame Disney 's Bambi

[real minnow]

I'm down with Ravager. If it's a good name for an attack helicopter, it's a good name for whatever this thing is

[hollow canopy]

The Artillery could be Demolishers if you want threatening-sounding

[lean berry]

Demolishers sounds good.

Was about to suggest Destroyers...

😅🙃

[hollow canopy]

=v=

[real minnow]

On a different topic, would you be interested in picking up the two LS from Spearhead at Cell'Dar mine and reinforcing Venator?

is that even possible? (it would be, the tanks could drive to C-Z while the HVTOLs fly)

[hollow canopy]

We have no idea what we're planning on, we're just vibing, I guess. =v=

[real minnow]

Well VTOLs are very good at vibrating

[lean berry]

Bringing the Large Supply to C-Z because that's where Atlas will be?

And yes, we could do that

[real minnow]

That was the idea

The flexibility would let us Sortie reinforcements to Crossroads or Victorum if they need it

Not pressuring you to pick, just asking nicely if it's what you decide 🙂

[upbeat lily]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-two-worm-thumper-thumper-gif-12630280218731847064

[hollow canopy]

Am returned

And I dunno what we're feeling as a Battleground, really. Got really chill after we went to Nerys, nobody's really diving on any particular option

[lean berry]

Potential Storm Turn 7 plan:

• Tempest
  • Evac Nerys Village civilians to Elim City
  • Return to Nerys
  • Fly Tremor to Cell'Dar Mine
  • Fly to C-Z
    • VTOLs continue to carry infantry
    • HVTOLs Avian and HONID-H carry LS
• Tremor
  • Guard Nerys' road to the Crossroads
  • Ride/fly with Tempest to Cell'Dar
  • Ride/fly with Tempest to C-Z (MBTs drive)

[rancid oasis]

Shouldn't going to Crossroads be an option?

For Tremor?

[vast lodge]

yes we can the question is which place needs our help the most which we don't know yet

[lean berry]

The thought with going to C-Z is that Atlas will be there and would love the Large Supply

And if all of Storm goes that route, both HVTOLs can hold LS

I don't know which front could use us the most

[vast lodge]

my only problem is how much can we help that a lot of 6fs inf and light mech? and other bigger things

[lean berry]

Nor do I know how long it would take to evacuate Nerys

[vast lodge]

wander if we should take the mines from spearhead and have them go to cz

there a lot better in that kind of fight

[heady plaza]

IMO, this.

[little grail]

My concern is if we evacuate Nerys to Elim, what would be sending them to? Rubble and ruin? An active military operation?

They are currently safe and have shelter. They should stay here.

[lean berry]

Valid point. Hence the "potential". Literally just the first idea which came to mind.

[little grail]

I know we want to play it safe, but we need to keep the momentum and get through these bots to get them off world. If we get bogged down, they make more of themselves. Their logistics can and will over run ours if we wait too long.

It's like playing against blue in MTG. You have to beat them before they get to inevitability

[lean berry]

We'll see on the morrow

[heady plaza]

amusement

Blue player here, I agree with your metaphor. Aggro needs to drop too many threats for Control to answer.

(Also, what colors do you main? Esper Main here, I like control and combo).

[little grail]

I play lots of White. B/W, U/W, G/W, R/W

[kind oyster]

Welp we got our news

[kind oyster]

We could also do something stupid and Tempest Evac the civilians while tremor walks to crossroads XD

[cunning aurora]

I still want to wait out the results of each battle see how they're all doing

[storm basin]

Same

[cunning aurora]

I also want to float the idea of going into high orbit before descending

Would allow us more tactical flexibility when reinforcing whichever front we're going to

[storm basin]

Maybe we should’ve done that this turn

… Since now we gotta take 2 turns to do anything of the such

[cunning aurora]

Maybe. But we didn't know the situation on the ground

Hinsight is 20/20

[storm basin]

Ikr

But eh the past is the past

No point trying to change it

[trail spade]

I am not sure any civilian from Village would like to be evacuated anyway.

[chrome knoll]

the bots will focus on population centers first
also, now that we've pushed them out of Elim, who knows if they'll decide to go after the smaller villages instead.
-# also, I kinda don't wanna rush into confirmed AA Hell #1 (C-Z) and potential AA Hell #2 (Crossroads)... imagine if those giant contacts at the back of C-Z are heavy bot gunships

[kind oyster]

Then i vote we check for them to be evacuated, Tremor should rear guard action as we Evacuate Civies

[hushed trout]

Before we leave Nerys Village (assuming we leave) we should try to convice the local militia to set up some kind of data/comm-link so we can know if the bots show up. This should only become relevant if we cannot evac anyone and leave no permanent ARMCO presence

Also, we gonna vote on what we doing next turn or do we have a plan?

[chrome knoll]

still waiting for the fighting to be resolved first

[rancid oasis]

If we can push the bots out of Crossroads then they won't have a way to get to Nerys village unless the bots can push the frontline back

[lean berry]

Quite.
-# barring aerospace of course

[cunning aurora]

Victorum is at L-W1 already. They shouldn't make it past them

[rancid oasis]

Even with aerospace they would either have to ignore our forces while getting shot at or maneuver around them to try and slip past

[storm basin]

Can’t the bots fly over Ziyal in orbitals?

[cunning aurora]

I suppose they could

but I don't think they'll prioritize a small village over anything else

they didn't touch it until now, I don't see areason to worry tbh

[storm basin]

It’s only valid if the bots are in desperate need of biomatter

But assuming logic, they probably still have quite a bit left

[kind oyster]

We should still Evacuate the Village still, As much as i want to cheer on the Guys at Mid and wish they win, it's still better to have Security than plain old wishing..... Unless it's DnD, you can use the Wish spell all you want just not enough to destroy the world

[cunning aurora]

We're gonna put up to a vote. Evacuating the village will be an option

[chrome knoll]

To Summarize our options this turn, from safest to riskiest (from my persoective and current intel)
Option 1: Evac Nery's Village Civilians
Summary: They are currently not under attack, but Crossroads (their only land route) is currently under bot control. As such, if they want to evac we're their only way out. That said. Nery's is current not under threat, and may not be for the near future. As such, this might not be neccessary. Do weigh the risks and ask the locals before deciding on this option.
Suggestion: Do ask the locals abt if they want to evac first. If this option wins but locals don't want to evac, default to 2nd most voted choice.

Option 2: Resupply TF Atlas with LS
Summary: BG Spearhead found some LS fron Cel'dar Mines. With our strategic mobility, we can be the ones to move those supplies to Atlas. Note, this puts us close to C-Z, but we do have the mobility to move out of that area right after. [[HONID](#1382040199797801031 message): If we go to Cell'Dar, that could free Spearhead up to go to C-Z. And we'd have the benefit of being able to shuttle LS to Atlas at C-Z via Tempest's HVTOL.] In the right circumstances, this can potentially be done in conjunction with other options (but no guarantees).

Option 3: Reinforce Hill Mines
Summary: Out of all three battlefields, Hill Mines seem to be the least foritified. In addition, there are civilians to rescue and only minor enemy AA that we likely can navigate around somewhat. Us deploying there will likely speed up operations over there as we'll be able to leverage our air-mobility to evac faster. Note that there is also a significant friendly prescense there already in the form of TF Fluffle and BG 4/10 Dwarves. So while we likely can help quite a bit, we might not be needed there.

Option 4: Reinforce Crossroads
Summary: Crossroads is a vital strategic location to secure, and with moderate enemy and a lot of incoming friendly prescense, if we do deploy that we'll likely be able to leverage allied support quite well. That said, there are some enemy AA and Air assets present there that may hamper our operations and even cause further losses to us. So if we do decide to deploy there, we must fly carefully.

Option 5: Deployment to C-Z
-# imo: are we sure we want to do this?
Summary: C-Z is originally BG Venator's plan to flank enemy bots at Ziyal, but it turned out thag they didn't need to go that far to flank 'em... Beware, this zone has very heavy enemy prescense, which includes a significant amount of heavy bot units such as AA, Field Guns, and Heavy Gunships. Our heaviest BGs, Venator and maybe Spearhead, are also poised to operate there.
-# Personal Opinion, take the part below with a vial of salt, and do formulate your own opinions regarding this: This zone is what I would call AA Hell, so I personally wouldn't recommend going there, and Si-Sok will likely be staying in the mid-backlines even if we do.

Finally, a few notes here

• As HONID has mentioned, we are a BG that has very good mobility. Just because we chose to reinforce to a zone this turn doesn't mean we can't quickly pack up and QRF another area if the situation calls for it. This is the advantage of our BG, Strategic Air-Mobility (...S.A.M. lol)
  Updates:
• Enemy AA Walker: likely 2d4 AP0, Armor 1 or 2, Hits 2?
• Enemy Gunship: Unknown

[hollow canopy]

Has anyone asked the locals if they would like to be evacuated? :O

[lean berry]

Also remember, just because we move to a particular place doesn't mean we have to commit or stay there.

[chrome knoll]

added a section to summary regarding that

[lean berry]

Hence the potential for resupplying Atlas via Cell'Dar Mine to C-Z

Considering how large our presence is at the Crossroads, especially in the SW, I think evacuating Nerys isn't as needed.

[chrome knoll]

added as an option in summary

[granite bear]

Also, for the sake of accuracy, Spearhead will be taking a vote themselves if they will support Venator after midrounds. They may choose to stay at Cell'Dar. So keep that in mind!

[lean berry]

If we go to Cell'Dar, that could free Spearhead up to go to C-Z. And we'd have the benefit of being able to shuttle LS to Atlas at C-Z via Tempest's HVTOL (and my HVTOL if we want to drag Tremor around. Man I wish my HVTOL was in Tempest)

[cunning aurora]

Can't have conditionals on our orders. We have to choose one path or another

Personally I don't want to spend another turn not doing much tbh. I'd prefer to go to one of the fronts

[chrome knoll]

for the Option 1 suggestion: we might be able to ask GMs about it in tac-com chat either now or after mid-rounds are done, and since its just a question to locals they might be alright w/ answering that. If we do get an answer, we can go from there.
big if tho

[cunning aurora]

Tbh I don't really want to evacuate them regardless. Might just be me but I think they'll be safe enough there

the faster we push them off planet the faster everyone is safe

[hollow canopy]

True, but they also I think directly mentioned that they were fine, right?

[chrome knoll]

ye i think so, but i'd say it doesn't hurt to ask for confirmation. if the locals do say they're good, we can potentially completely remove that option from le poll as removing them from their homes against their will is prob a bad idea

[kind oyster]

Though can't we Raise this up quickly? As an RP thing or do we actually have to waste a turn to ask?

[cunning aurora]

I asked. We'll have to wait now

[chrome knoll]

thanks

[rancid oasis]

We will probably get an answer either after Shack is done with midrounds or if needs to take break from rolling all the dice

[vast lodge]

I’m still in favour of see if spearhead wants to move up and us holding the mines since we just lack the firepower in my opinion to help other areas well spearhead has a ton of vehicles that are more useful in a fight

The aa walker have two attacks similar damage to a aa tank

And have at least one armour but probably 2

[lean berry]

Our AA-MBTs don't have two attacks

[vast lodge]

Similar damage

2 attacks at 1d4 ap1

[lean berry]

The Demolishers are targetable for direct fire by our Arty

So that's fun

[vast lodge]

A idea for the turn. move to the mines drop tremor off to continue getting supplies and the tempest can return to the village to evac civilians

[lean berry]

Could do. Or could bring LS to Atlas at C-Z high orbit

[vast lodge]

Depends on how well crossroads holds but both are good options

The bot aa might not have ap since they didn’t pen a destroyer on 1 still really dangerous to vtol

[hollow canopy]

Ya, probably

[lean berry]

Hey, 0AP AA against our formation is absolutely doable

[chrome knoll]

#1382040199797801031 message bump
ima try 💤 ...again now

[hollow canopy]

Bai bai fren

[gleaming palm]

im personally for option 2 but im okay with any off them if they get more votes

[rancid oasis]

Things are starting to get spicy

[strange sigil]

I mean, infantry is typically better on defence right

I see that being a good option for us

[storm basin]

If we reach the mines I’m gonna be messing with stuff

[hollow canopy]

I will also do a bit of tomfoolery.

[storm basin]

I want to use my Omnissiah given right to fuck with technology

[vast lodge]

Yes And half our unit can do at most 1 damage so a 6fs bot inf unit would take maybe 12 vtol to make sure it killed vs the horde of mechs spearhead has

[storm basin]

Remember almost all their bots are in range of some form of AA

so we’d have to repair almost 2 units every turn (if one didn’t die)

[strange sigil]

Yeah, half our battlegroup couldn't attack without lots of risk

[vast lodge]

And they wouldn’t do much for that level risk to be worth it

[strange sigil]

So we'd be stuck either deploying out of their range or stuck on resupply

[vast lodge]

As much as it sucks to be doing rear lines guarding I think it in the best interest of the campaign to free up spearhead

[strange sigil]

It's ultimately up to the battlegroup, but i think it's a sound idea

Unless anybody sees any flaws in it?

[hollow canopy]

I'm sure we can do something silly and/or productive in the rearline anyway. =v=

[vast lodge]

We can also move large supplies around to people as needed

[storm basin]

I mean we’re gonna lose orbital superiority soon

If we continue at this rate

[lean berry]

Storm Blessed General Briefing

-# will be keeping it updated so people have a have to look despite timezones

-# also in the pins

[hollow canopy]

It's concerning, but unfortunately, nothing we can help with except stack our losses

[storm basin]

We’re powerless technically

[vast lodge]

Nothing we can do there but hope unless you guys want to do some questionable things

[storm basin]

I don’t care, I plan on doing wacky shit

If ya get me some technology/equipment I’ll do anything I can

[vast lodge]

We could board or flank orbital it a option

But we can’t deal with fighters which are the main problem

[strange sigil]

We do have engineers right?

So as long as the fighters are dealt with we can fly some inf and an engineer to a hatch and board

[hollow canopy]

If the fighters are dealt with, the tide swings in Victorium's favor.

[strange sigil]

Fuccjkkk

I just looked at midrounds

It's uh

[storm basin]

Enni

[strange sigil]

Not looking good

[storm basin]

It’s their fighters who died

The bots have like 24 fighters

Victorum has 9 and lost 6

[hollow canopy]

Ya, the problem isn't the Orbitals, it's the fighters. Victorium can handle the Orbitals without support, it's the fighter swarms that's turned things over.

[strange sigil]

Oh shit

Sorry im tired as hell rn

[storm basin]

It’s fine

In general victorum seem to lost 6 fighters to 7 bots

[strange sigil]

All I saw was some of our fighters dead

[storm basin]

But numbers aren’t good anyhow

[uneven igloo]

Right, Storm

[hollow canopy]

Hello fren

[uneven igloo]

We may need you to back us up

For the final push into the city

Spearhead is coming next turn to our area

But we will need more for our final push

[storm basin]

Venator

[uneven igloo]

And for the battle

[storm basin]

We can’t really assist your fight

[uneven igloo]

I Said May lol

[vast lodge]

We where thinking of holding the mines since half our unit can’t do much vs the bots

[uneven igloo]

True true

But I don’t care if your at max strength or weakened heavily

You have guns

[hollow canopy]

We can get you Large Supply! :D If that helps...

[uneven igloo]

And it’s time to make history

[hollow canopy]

Where's that Briefing...

[strange sigil]

Im down for whatever

If the battlegroup votes that way i will gladly do it

[upbeat lily]

If C-Z can get rid of those AA guns, otherwise we’ll have to land behind you guys, be a weaker 2nd wave of reinforcements

[vast lodge]

So I guess the vote is cz, mines, or crossroads

[storm basin]

Tbh I just dislike C-Z due to the fact we’d have to walk behind the tank line

[strange sigil]

Quote goes hard

[storm basin]

Which would make it hard to actually assist

Without risking getting shred

[strange sigil]

I'd love to help, but those AA guns will give us a lot of trouble if not dealt with

Which makes half our battlegroup combat ineffective

[vast lodge]

Any combat is going to be rough both cz and crossroads have decent bot aa

[storm basin]

What do we even think that massive ? is?

[hollow canopy]

Another Walker, maybe?

[storm basin]

If it’s another one it’s certainly bigger

It takes an entire hex

[strange sigil]

Wait where's the map for that

I might have missed it

[storm basin]

It’s C-Z

4220

It’s bloody massive

[strange sigil]

Fucking hell

[storm basin]

It makes the fat jokes we made about those artillery boys pale in comparison to its bulk

[strange sigil]

When are those syndicate reinforcements coming in

[storm basin]

We weren’t told

[strange sigil]

Fuck

[vast lodge]

My question is what the convey going out of cz going to since they heading to the city right now

[vast lodge]

I think there getting here as fast as they can and even if they get here we might not know when they will reach us since they coming from the gate behind the bots

[cunning aurora]

We cannot damage Gunships

[strange sigil]

It's not looking good but at least we are holding

[hollow canopy]

A bit of a shaky situation across the board, especially on Victorium's front.

[frank ore]

wasn't expecting to watch a whole fighter wing detonate

[strange sigil]

Yeah, we are in a relatively stable place right now and we have a choice of where to go and what to do

So we are pretty well off

[rancid oasis]

Honestly the weakest front looks like Victorums which I'm a little surprised be. But there really isn't anything we can do to support them

[hollow canopy]

Ya, Storm definitely got away with the best choice this turn. =v="

[hollow canopy]

Ya, my thinking too, but the only thing we can do is ensure we breakthrough in one of the ground lane's or help prevent a breakthrough against one of ours.

[strange sigil]

Yeah, but we definitely need to back someone up next turn

Even if we can't do much

[cunning aurora]

well we can't really help victorum

[storm basin]

Tbh I think I see why Shack ensured we signed that notice now

Their AA fucking shreds

[vast lodge]

The only thing we can help victorum with is anti capital which is not the problem

[strange sigil]

Yeah, thank fuck there was none in elim

[vast lodge]

So mines or cz/crossroads

[hollow canopy]

We should focus on one of the ground lanes. If we lose the Orbital line, it's just something we're gonna have to deal with

[cunning aurora]

Crossroads has a ton of people already

Not sure we're nede there tbh

[storm basin]

It was planned that Atlas was going to help ‘em

[cunning aurora]

I feel like C-Z is a pretty valid option

[vast lodge]

we been asked to help with cz by venator

[hollow canopy]

Not entirely a fan of pushing through the killing fields of C-Z on foot, but ya, it's what could use help... Just not sure how a bunch of squishy Infantry can help other than acting as Abaltive Armor

[cunning aurora]

link?

[vast lodge]

^

[hollow canopy]

They came in a few minutes ago and asked

[strange sigil]

We could probably do more if the wasn't AA, but considering the amount and how lethal it is we can't do as much as we hope

[storm basin]

Current visuals suggest 3 alive aa guns at least

[hollow canopy]

Ya... Flanking would've been pretty tactically useful and maybe even had given us a chance to use our Defensive Advantage, but... Well, not really an option.

[storm basin]

Issue is there seems to be a major convoy on the road

[rancid oasis]

I'm a little concerned about all those contacts on the east end of CZ

[storm basin]

it’s unknown whether that has some of their AA/SPGs

[hollow canopy]

Oh ya, there's still a fack-ton of unknowns further in.

[vast lodge]

Which is 6 vtol at least turn which is kind of manageable

[storm basin]

Those are theorised to be air units

[vast lodge]

I think some vtol acting armour for the gunship might not be a bad idea

[hollow canopy]

Gunships can't target the VTOLs unless we're landed

[vast lodge]

I mean we bodyguard our gunship with mass vtols

[storm basin]

Tbh it’d only work if we ensured that the front was densely packed

Since we want to ensure formation damage as much as possible in such a case

[vast lodge]

I’m just thinking that gunship would be really useful if we can make sure it safe

[hollow canopy]

Up to the VTOLs, but they'd need to unload Tremor first, which leaves Stan vulnerable for a turn or two.

[cunning aurora]

Choose whichever ones you're okay with. Multiple votes are OK.

Remember you can always change them if you change your mind

[hollow canopy]

Are we not considering holding Cell'Dar mine and extracting Large Supplies?

[storm basin]

Well… we can’t really carry it

[cunning aurora]

Yeah our HVTOLs are full...

[storm basin]

Unless a HVTOL desires to forgo the tanks

[cunning aurora]

let's leave that until the nodes surrounding Ziyal are secured, then we can retrieve them if we want

[hollow canopy]

Alright

[vast lodge]

I think adding ourself to the battle is better then playing safe since we still have enough ls to last a while

I just hope spearhead join cz

[storm basin]

Just saying

If we’re going to C-Z I am staying in the rear

[hollow canopy]

I mean, I am concerned we're going to break some kind of causality record if we try to join the tank advance, but they do need help. They are pretty outnumbered...

[storm basin]

I am not taking Plasma into the AA coverage equivalent to what was faced in Operation Overlord

[vast lodge]

It isn’t going to be petty but we need to do something

[storm basin]

pretty*

[hollow canopy]

If we are going to C-Z, we need a good plan at least and maybe figure out what our objective would be other than "Push enemy away"

[vast lodge]

We can only get 3 hex’s into cz so will have a turn to see how it going anyways to plan

[strange sigil]

I think we should go to cz

Purely because venator asked for aid

Nowhere else has asked for us

[hollow canopy]

Make your voice heard! Vote!

[strange sigil]

And venator would do the same if we asked them for help

Even if we can't do as much as we hope

Every bit counts

That's just my opinion

[vast lodge]

And you don’t have to charge the enemy in cz and die you can hang back waiting for a opening

[storm basin]

I think we need a calm GIF so here

https://tenor.com/view/kaiju-jam-gif-26041176

-# It’s been way too tense here

[cunning aurora]

Green is where we get move 2.
Yellow - 3
Orange - 4
Red - 5

[hollow canopy]

This is supposed to be calm? :o

[strange sigil]

Also the cold ass quote the venator guy said lowkey convinced me

[hollow canopy]

Pirate seems to have a tendency of convincing people to wild actions (Which have, so far, not failed, from what I heard)

[storm basin]

Atlas plans to give help… but doesn’t it lock them into C-Z?

[hollow canopy]

:o What am I looking out? A future prediction?

Oh. And ya, I think so

[vast lodge]

Atlas planning

[chrome knoll]

morning ppl
same here, I kinda don't want to go into AA Hell m8
(sry Apiary, but I kinda don't want us to both die via AA fire, so ima have to deploy ya in the mid-backlines or somewhere w/o the AA walkers in range if we're going C-Z)

[storm basin]

I mean I have an excuse tbh

I am one of our 3 engineers

[chrome knoll]

true, but still, I have stated my cautiousness regarding C-Z many a time, so if we're going there I'm playing cautious

[storm basin]

So kinda losing me is a major detriment (including the fact that I carry 4 Supply)

[hollow canopy]

If we want, it looks like the Infantry March and IFV Convoy are attempting to push forward, so we could use our Infantry to Dig In and have them come to us while Venator pushes the defensive positions?

[strange sigil]

See, good track record, what could ever possibly go wrong

[storm basin]

So if I stay in a VTOL technically that VTOL has 6 small supply in it

stonks

[strange sigil]

I have one of our only medics, so I dont mind deploying backline

[storm basin]

Look, I signed a death warrant for elim

Not for the blasted snowlands

[hollow canopy]

Nah, you signed for the whole campaign

The start was the easiest part

[storm basin]

I mean I wasn’t even allowed to have a weapon for self defence

[frank ore]

what if we drop the ground forces off and then send the VTOLs to cell-dar to grab that LS

[hollow canopy]

Admittedly, Shack's warning was probably more geared to these nodes rather than Elim City, which we wisely avoided being the tip of the spear for exploring the actual AA-covered zones

[vast lodge]

I know people don’t want to die but this is my guess the decisive moment of the campaign and it would feel wrong to hide in a corner

[rancid oasis]

I have a possibly crazy if we decide to go to CZ

[hollow canopy]

True. Just I'd prefer something a bit more solid than "Charge with the tanks because it's important"

[chrome knoll]

in retrospect, yeah

[chrome knoll]

holy- STAN is alive!?

[hollow canopy]

He's damaged, but still airborne, ya

[chrome knoll]

absolute madlad

[storm basin]

I believe Domusil saved his ass on accident

[vast lodge]

Also another reason to go to cz we could bring back atlas drops trooper faster back ti the ships

[rancid oasis]

It helps us avoid most of the AA, it lets our infantry hold the highground which I believe gives bonuses for attack and defense, and due to the lack of AA in the immediate area of the LZ we can evacuate quickly if needed

[storm basin]

Domusil intended to bait the enemy aircraft

instead it baited the AA

-# god I gotta be careful when I add new comms channels to my list

One wrong tap and Ima send a message into the Tac-Com channel

[hollow canopy]

Don't forget we still have a vote going

[chrome knoll]

@hushed trout thoughts in case we going C-Z? Am willing to adjust my landing zone based on where u land but I'm currently not considering landing in front of the tankline (am thinking somewhere like [3620] or [3717] or [3719], lmk if u have any suggestions)
-# I currently prefer [3620] most. Do note the bunch of ? s on the topright of C-Z. I suspect they are heavy gunships or walkers, the lot.
-# So deploying closer the top might help more but may come w/ higher risks. I prefer playing cautious, but it be up to ya to decide

[vast lodge]

Looking at the cz map I think we could slip the spec ops vtol through hugging the bottom of the map but not sure

I honestly wish I bought the delayed explosive

[rancid oasis]

Anyone have any thoughts about trying to get the whole BG around the bottom and land on the high ground this is mostly empty right now?

[vast lodge]

4321 area?

[rancid oasis]

Yes

[vast lodge]

It can work we have to see next turn since we can’t get to

[trail spade]

Do we know range of bots AA?

[rancid oasis]

I'm guessing range 2 like our AA tanks? Only they have an extra gun

[vast lodge]

2 most likely since it guns

Since the only 3 range aa we have are missile

Dragon vtol didn’t get hit and it a little over 2 hex’s away from the aa mech in the south of cz

[chrome knoll]

so range 2 it seems

[vast lodge]

So are we letting the vote go for a day before calling it or should we call it sooner not sure how much planning time we need

[cunning aurora]

I'd say let's plan for C-Z for now. Seems to be winning the vote

and i think on the the south side is a better target for us, only 1 AA gun

[chrome knoll]

bump, vote ppl

bump2, check briefing

[chrome knoll]

speaking of which, any updates i should add to this?

[cunning aurora]

#1382040199797801031 message vote here

[chrome knoll]

also, if we're deploying to C-Z, likely a high-risk combat zone, rmb these tenants when thinking abt where to deploy ^

[vast lodge]

I think one of the main things we might want to do for cz is to pair up our aa tank with venator one

[lean berry]

Our HVTOLs to have to carry the MBTs if we're going a short distance (such as Cell'Dar to C-Z)

[cunning aurora]

Yeah but TF2 isn't at C-Z

[upbeat lily]

We would only have 3 speed left by the time we get to C-Z correct?

[vast lodge]

Yes for the vtol

So we could drop tanks like 4.5 hex in I believe

[cunning aurora]

-_-

We arrive in green, can make it half way into red, since we need to land

[slow hazel]

AA aren’t real. They can’t hurt you😛

[chrome knoll]

am considering landing beside VTOL [Dragon] at 3620 border if we go C-Z

[vast lodge]

So we could drop off the tank early at the mines and bring large supplies with if that works

The only problem is that they would be very out of place if we flank

[rancid oasis]

Does us bringing the LS to Venator do anything for them? I thought you used them in FOBs

[cunning aurora]

I just remembered we needed .5 to land and .5 to unload

This is the max range we can use to deploy infantry

[vast lodge]

It more for atlas

[lean berry]

Yeah

The LS is for Atlas

@frank ore and I would carry it from Cell'Dar

[vast lodge]

But how much do they need it could it wait?

[lean berry]

Instead of carrying @gleaming palm and @full lagoon

[lean berry]

It would be more so for future use. And the fact that we could get them two this turn, whereas only 1 on future turns (I won't be able to leave C-Z to retrieve it)

[lost hare]

I'm looking for one last interview in Storm Blessed. This is a first come first server thing since I gotta move on to cover more of the battle, and get atleast one of every battle group into the interview.

[full lagoon]

@lost hare aut1arm happy to talk given our aa kill

[vast lodge]

It more if we do it the tank could be left behind from any kind of flanking

[lean berry]

You actually have two confirmed kills

[full lagoon]

Scuse me? Two! I know of one. When was the second?

I must have missed that.

[lean berry]

Let's see if I can find it

[full lagoon]

Also another say another autie being too tired to keep up (ooc helth issues playing up) so er whats this about you leaving me behind maybe?

[strange sigil]

Fucking big unit near there though

[lean berry]

Leaving you behind? Nah.
More so dropping you off at Cell'Dar for you to drive to C-Z on your own while us HVTOLs fly some Large Supply to Atlas.

[lean berry]

Either a ground bot factory or a Factory Walker

Probably

[full lagoon]

Hmm where are you thinking. With my weapons im better to support and counter any aerial assault.

[lean berry]

Seemingly the only aerial targets are the Ravager heavy gunships.

[chrome knoll]

bump, check this n maybe above two msgs above this as well

[full lagoon]

Yeah “seemingly” military intelligence rarely is

[chrome knoll]

don't forget the bunch of ? s in northeast, and remember that C-Z is marked as an air factory

[lean berry]

Yep

Ravager

Potential Ravagers

[chrome knoll]

and thats a lot of potential ravagers

[lean berry]

Potentially 12

But maybe not all are Ravagers

[granite bear]

Atlas is planning to engage the aerial units going north at C-Z. We're unsure if they're gunships or not but we believe they're actually making a go at Crossroads. We are planning to intercept them after some have crossed the border and limiting their numbers. At the same time our ground units will begin a drop assault behind the enemy northern SPG/AA line.

[lean berry]

They would need to leave the TAC-Map by the north edge to fly to Crossroads, so that checks out

[granite bear]

Yeah, we'll be snatching their tails after the head's through the gate so to speak. Limiting their numbers

[lean berry]

If they are Ravagers, they are functionally VTOL gunships and so can't target aerospace. And assuming our other HVTOL @frank ore and our MBTs @gleaming palm and @full lagoon agree, we'll be getting y'all 2 LS

Probably driving into C-Z around here

[granite bear]

Excellent, we'll need it. That's our hope for the Ravagers but you never know what could be hidden in the unknown contacts. We'll keep an eye out. We may be deploying our mechs. If they're not too busy and the place is safe enough could you HVTOLs ferry them up to us once it's all done?

[strange sigil]

Alright im going sleep, hopefully we have a good gameplan when I wake up

Night yall

[trail spade]

Looks if AA got 2 range theat thouse red zones are covered by them:

[upbeat lily]

Probably 3 if the hat outside that range got shot down

[cunning aurora]

Updated deploz range for us

just saw the entry area

[real minnow]

FYI - assuming Atlas moves to C-Z (most likely case), our ODTs plan to flank the North Hill

we should be able to take out an AA gun or two

[cunning aurora]

TY for the info. But according to the rules they'll get their shots off regardless

[chrome knoll]

bump

[cunning aurora]

Venator seems to want help with the gian infantry column. I suggest we deploy around there

[rancid oasis]

Awww... my possibly crazy plan doesn't work with this deployment area

[cunning aurora]

Yep. Gotta spend 1 to get to the mine, the second gets you green, orange is the 4th move, then you need at least .5 to land and .5 to unload

[hollow canopy]

I had fuds, am returned, did we win yet? :O

[rancid oasis]

Looks like we may be reinforcing Venator's center to help brace against the infantry column that is marching down the road

And my possibly crazy plan doesn't work with our movement

[cunning aurora]

#1382040199797801031 message we're still officially waiting for the vote, but it seems most likely C-Z (Venator) will win. And Venator has asked us to reinforce their center where the infantry column is about to his us

[hollow canopy]

So the plan is for the Tremor Infantry to dig in a bit behind Venator's Center Line and hold back that parade of clankers?

[rancid oasis]

Seems like the best plan

Engineers and medics can land where needed

[hollow canopy]

As long as I get a chance to Dig In before getting shot, that's the best I can hope for. =v=" Except for maybe a Bunker to be built for me, but that's just cause I like Bunkers.

[cunning aurora]

One options is to just deploy behind the current line and dig in the next turn

would probably need some convincing

or we deploy more foward get shots in, then flank the next turn and kill them quickly

[hollow canopy]

Well, the Bots still have a ton of unknown reinforcements behind their own line and some of those contacts are pretty big.

Could work, but Venator will need to push too. (Which, let's be real, that's probably exactly what they're planning)

[vast lodge]

we can maybe make some sandbag so our units cant be one shot by there inf

[chrome knoll]

looking at the current vote, BG 6 Spearhead will also likely be riding in w/ us into C-Z, so we should also coordinate w/ them when both our votes end
#1382048208192274462 message C-Z leading by 6, similar to us

[cunning aurora]

Venator's plan right now is to fall back and keep them at an arm's length

so they can use their superior range

we should fall behind where they're moving use them as a shield then next turn they'll walk into a wall of lead

[hollow canopy]

Oh, huh. Alright then

Ya, that works for me.

[cunning aurora]

This is where the column will be able to move next turn

green is their range

we should deploy a healthy bit away from that for tolerance

[vast lodge]

so anywhere you want me to go

[hollow canopy]

Seems like that burning area would be an OK spot (Somehow)

[chrome knoll]

(lol)
yeah, Si-Sok is considering going to land at [3620], pending AT Infantry [Apirary]'s approval and/or comments regarding alternative locations

Also, we might want to get Medics and Engineers in range of 3720 Arty and southern tank flank ASAP.

[full lagoon]

Can certainly give the artillery some cover

[rancid oasis]

@storm basin Let me know where you want to be dropped off

[cunning aurora]

Red is AA, Blue is my suggested deployment area

[full lagoon]

@lean berry if you drop me 3517 i can drive to 3718 and then to the artillery and stay able to support the rear lines and privide aa fire

[little grail]

Is there any way we can get in behind em?

We have the pick of the litter as to where we deploy, if we can come in from a different direction, take out those AA, and maybe even get the bots in a bad position

[lean berry]

The idea is actually that I wouldn't be flying you anywhere. Or rather that I would be flying you to Cell'Dar Mine and you would then drive to C-Z while I fly a Large Supply to Atlas in high orbit above C-Z.

[full lagoon]

Oh ok. Thats fine. What are rhe orders for that.

[lean berry]

The main thing is that we're in atmo right now. So we can't just hot drop anywhere.

[frank ore]

works for me, i imagine it'll be a while before we clear a strat map anyways and we are logistics craft first and foremost

[lean berry]

That would be using the Advance order type. You'd put in your Movement/Action Tracker something like "Ride in HONID-H to Cell'Dar Mine. Drive to C-Z 3718".
-# or wherever you wanted to go

[full lagoon]

Tah. Will get on that now

[lean berry]

Cool cool. So long as @gleaming palm is good we should be set.

[ashen crypt]

What’s the plan now that we’re in Nerys Village? Are we going to reinforce one of the frontlines?

[chrome knoll]

Current Briefing
-# did I accidentally reply-ping? oops

[chrome knoll]

Le Poll

[cunning aurora]

Not this turn, we don't have the speed

also we don't know what all those ??? are behind

we could be getting sandwitched

[little grail]

Fair.

[full lagoon]

Hence im moving to the rear of the lines so that i can wade in next turn if needed but for now im just going to play it safe

[heady plaza]

Only until they can recover all their marines or all marines are KIA. Once that happens, no unit on tactical map, no movement restriction.

[heady plaza]

amusement

Nice to see that my adaptation of GOC tenents has been making the rounds.

[frank ore]

@lean berry are we bringing all the LS to Picket Line?

[lean berry]

Yes. Atlas' flagship

It has several VTOL Bays

[frank ore]

priority parking, nice. but do they have a vallet?

[lean berry]

They do have crew on staff to take care of our birds, yes

[full lagoon]

Valet. You two get to valet while i have to drive in a big target through an unknown hostile environment and hope nothing happens!

[dull marten]

so just to be sure, since the poll so far has us going for the Venator, should we just say we are joining with the other Armco forces in orbit or say a specific grid?

[upbeat lily]

We are intending to land this turn, so you’ll need to say a grid

[lean berry]

Except for our HVTOLs, we're all going ground side

[dull marten]

ah so I should look at the CZ map grid then?

give me a sec to make sure I got that right because im super not sure

[heady plaza]

Red is enemy AA. Orange is their projected infantry positions. Green is their anticipated combat range. Plan accordingly

@dull marten

[upbeat lily]

How come our tank and AA gun aren’t landing?

[chrome knoll]

I think they are planning to drop the tanks off at Cell'dar, with HVTOLs going to then pick up LS for Atlas, while the tanks travel to C-Z via land themselves, likely w/ BG Spearhead.

[kind oyster]

Morning

What happened?

[hollow canopy]

Lots. :O

[heady plaza]

People died.

Anyways-

Check the brief #1382040199797801031 message

[untold pine]

Ok, what’s the plan?

[floral mesa]

Hello stormblessed, checking in from Spearhead. We are aiming to try and disable those AA walkers to clear the sky for you. Exact strategies are still being debated ofc.

[chrome knoll]

Alr, tho do beware of the bunch of big ❔s coming in from the bot backline. They might be Bot Gunships or AA Walkers or Bot Field Guns for all we know.
Also, Ravagers (Bot Gunships) are operating on VTOL rules so they aren't a threat to flying VTOLs, but may pose quite a threat to everyone else.

[floral mesa]

Yeah I’m expecting a giant walker (another factory walker maybe?) or orbital

Potential plan is to bring in our mechanized units and dig in on that south hill

Things very much up in the air right now

[real minnow]

While we're all chatting, here's what we landed on for Atlas

we'll scan those fast movers for sure

[storm basin]

Plasma I dunno where I want to go rn

[chrome knoll]

remember that the attacks might happen during/after bot movement, so do account for that.

[real minnow]

That's why they're flying parallel. Also gotta stay outta range of the AA. Happy to take more suggestions tho

[chrome knoll]

understandable, this zone is looking to be AA Hell. Storm will also be trying our best to avoid AA.
bots might move further to the left -> out of fighter attack range

[real minnow]

I'm anticipating they'll stay on the hill, they're in a well fortified location.

But nobody really knows

[kind oyster]

So What ARE we doing now?

[true crescent]

Waiting to see what everyone else does I guess

They need to clear the landing zones of AA before we can unload

[chrome knoll]

or we can land behind friendies (see blue area) ^, and act as infantry support

[storm basin]

okay Plasma, just curious are ya willing to risk staying in the air?

I kinda dunno if we should land this turn

[cunning aurora]

Won't the BP die there?

[storm basin]

Tig the BP should only be threatened if a 2nd aa unit is in range or another unit attacks it we can’t see

I dunno if their fat ass artillery guns (whatever we nicknamed ‘em) can target an orbital in a turn

[cunning aurora]

Blue is behind friendlies

[trail spade]

I think it was shot down by this one that was destroyed.

[storm basin]

I believe that as well

All we know is that the gunship/HAT seemed to be attacked by 3 different aa guns

[storm basin]

Okay… Plasma I have a lil side objective I want to do

I want to see what the cause of the smoke is in the 4124/3 area

I know an engineer shouldn’t be going behind their lines

[gleaming palm]

plan is me and @full lagoon drive to cz around 3718 and support bg venator right?

[full lagoon]

If not i need to rewrite my order

[untold pine]

Hey guys, do we have a plan this turn?

[hushed trout]

It seems the plan is going to CZ. That's what everyone's been talking about and it will prob win the poll

[untold pine]

There’s a poll?

[hushed trout]

Scroll wayyy up

[hushed trout]

This one

[untold pine]

Thank you

[kind oyster]

@cunning aurora did Captain said anything about the Civies if they want to Evacuate or not?

[hushed trout]

@chrome knoll "It's your bird, we hate to be bad luck."

I am torn between landing zones. I really think we should try to exploit the southern flank, but can see the logic if reinforing the north to ward against that wall of question marks. I want to see what others have in mind as to where in CZ we should focus

[storm basin]

I don’t think he did

[stone peak]

Good morning Storm, Spearhead heard you were flying through our section on the way to C-Z, any chance you have a VTOL with spare capacity I can borrow for the round? No worries if you don't

[storm basin]

We… have 2 empty, but the TacComs will have to decide it

[real minnow]

He's an ODT looking to join the drop FYI

[storm basin]

I don’t think we have the Movespeed for that

We’re in atmosphere

However a TacCom can better answer this than me tbh

I don’t calculate dis stuff

[real minnow]

If the HVTOLs can make it to deliver the LS, a regular VTOL can too

[storm basin]

I mean…

Honid did it without offloading anything after landing

So I can’t really state anything about the movement speed they used

But if all the actions we do (even loading/offloading) units are discounted in owned territory then it should be possible

[real minnow]

they're... not, but you're certainly allowed more wiggle room in friendly territory

[real minnow]

apparently moving from High-Orbit to Low-Orbit (or vice verse) while you control the entire strategic node is free (still only once per turn).

i.e. Dwarf Fortress arrived in Elim HO with no speed remaining, then landed and traveled at 1 speed to a ground node.

So yes! you'd have enough speed to carry the ODT

[vast lodge]

@feral yoke so any idea of a plan

[chrome knoll]

VTOLs can get into orbit this turn, but we can't deorbit on L-Z right after

[real minnow]

no, but one could dock at Atlas and deliver the ODT/2xLS

[chrome knoll]

that should be alr, do wait for TAC-COMMs tho

[real minnow]

Yup, we just got the bay reserved for 3 storm VTOLs. Do you know which one has the room?

[cunning aurora]

Nope

[storm basin]

Ixen…. I think landing at a starport was free

[real minnow]

It wasn't clear. Still isn't.

It wasn't free for Atlas, cost us 1 movement

[storm basin]

Well… it took 1 strategic movement ofc

[real minnow]

But it was free for Dwarf

[storm basin]

Ixen

Do ya mean descending from orbit or landing at the starport?

Since I think Shack counted DF landing at the starport in their action

[real minnow]

This is specifically about H-O -> L-O and vice versa

[storm basin]

Realistically, has Shack fully addressed this?

[real minnow]

Nope

[storm basin]

I asked him, but I didn’t get a proper response (it was in meta, so he just assumed stuff and pulled out the rulebook)

[real minnow]

the "half movement" to go up or down seems correct

[storm basin]

I asked him whether it was a strategic or tactical action and I got a rulebook pic instead of Shack realistically showing where

[real minnow]

but BGs have been breaking that rule

[storm basin]

Aka I got the pic where he highlights the “half movement” part

But never really answered the question about if it’s free in a friendly strategic tile

[real minnow]

According to Dwarf, they asked and were allowed to descend and land at spacedock for free

(since it was an uncontested strategic zone)

[storm basin]

But that could be as they had orbitals which were disposed afterwards

We can’t really rely on that data, it’s unreliable

[real minnow]

This is also a really long conversation to move one ground-based ODT

[storm basin]

Ikr

[real minnow]

I'm inclined to just say "if you've got the space, just type it up, and if it's a problem shack will address it"

[storm basin]

Realistically we have the VTOL capacity, but I dunno about movement speed

Issue is

They’ll be in the front of the formation

Since the only 2 empty VTOLs are PU and RAPID

So if we get intercepted they’ll be extremely likely to die

[real minnow]

They're dropping directly onto a hill with infantry, SPGs, AA, I don't think they'll mind the danger

[storm basin]

If they don’t care about such a risk, just ensure ya get a TacCom’s approval (or PU/RAPID)

[real minnow]

there's also no hostile presence in High Orbit

[storm basin]

Since one of ‘em gotta transport the ODTs

[real minnow]

@cunning aurora
Are you ok with having PU or RAPID picking up a Spearhead ODT and dock with Atlas?
It'd make our flanking maneuver a little more effective. It should be within range since you're in a safe area, and there's no hostile presence in High-Orbit.

[cunning aurora]

Gotta talk to @worldly meteor or @odd fiber about that

As long as they're on the same node I have no say over what they do

sounds like a good plan though

[stone peak]

That works for me, if one of them is up for it kindly send me a ping so I know who I'm boarding

[worldly meteor]

Im fine with it too

[chrome knoll]

alr, currently am thinking of provisionally sticking with a landing at [3620 E] with how current plans are seeming to go.

• thinking of placing down a temp order for now, i can always edit n repost if theres any major change of plans
  edit: placed temp order, this is likely as far as I can go while being able to offload ya n stay airborne by end of turn if we're reinforcing the southern flank, which seems to be our plan as of current.

[rancid oasis]

Obviously can't get you there the turn we arrive in the AO. But if that's where you want to go I'll take you there

But my guess is that it's just some art to help make the battlefield look more interesting

And it would be a lot easier if that southern AA walker got taken out

[storm basin]

Yeah

I just want to do wacky stuff instead don’t blame me

[floral mesa]

Hello Stormblessed, Spearhead here. Curious if you have tentative plans yet for drop locations/plans

[rancid oasis]

On a related note. If the opportunity presents itself the unfinished heavy gunship is within five hexes of 4123

[lean berry]

Yep

[storm basin]

On another note, that’s a different gunship

They blew up the original one if i am correct

[floral mesa]

It’s looking like spearhead is going to be sending our main mechanized force to the southern hill, to support Atlas’s drop

[rancid oasis]

They did? Must have missed that midround

[quartz bridge]

I second Tig's plan concave the center bot column

[storm basin]

Basically Plasma

I wanna stay in the air

[quartz bridge]

Every Starcraft player know you just don't walk into supported seige tanks.

[storm basin]

I don’t mind where we go rn

[lean berry]

Storm Blessed General Briefing

I will be keeping it updated so people have a place to look despite timezones. It's also in the pins

[rancid oasis]

No it's the same unfinished gunship. I just checked the day five maps

[quartz bridge]

Since Venator want to use their superior range it would be an extremely effective trade for Armco.

[storm basin]

There’s a 2nd gunship next to it which we blew up then

[storm basin]

I mean every starcraft 2 player also knows when a major contact is on your screen you probably want to prepare to shoot it en masse

[granite bear]

I think they mean this one #midround-events message

[quartz bridge]

yeah, concave for the win!

[storm basin]

Anyhow Plasma where do you think is a valid place to stay in the air at?

[rancid oasis]

Let me check the deployment map

[lean berry]

@worldly meteor PU @odd fiber either of you wanna give a Spearhead ODT a ride to Atlas' Drop Pods orbital?
You'd be flying up alongside Avian and me.

[rancid oasis]

3620? We'll be at the southern tip of the blue deployment zone

But outside of AA range

[stone peak]

I did get a response from Panda, currently planning on boarding his VTOL if that's still good with him

[quartz bridge]

@lean berry Unless I'm mistaken, there's a minor issue with your and Aut1Arm's together orders, if you unload Aut1Arm at Cell'Dar to pick up the LS then Aut1Arm can't quite make it to C-Z 3718 from the map edge, since there's 0.5 movement in disembarking, and tank speed is 2. I think they could make it to 36xx?

[storm basin]

Yeah 3620 should be fine

Plus if we get mad enough to try stealing that gunship we can always fly basically to it

[storm basin]

Is there any chance your colourblind?

Since it’s either your device making it blue or I am going colourblind

-# I am seeing yellow/red instead of blue

[chrome knoll]

nope, i think he meant blue in this map: #1382040199797801031 message

[storm basin]

Oh…

[hollow canopy]

Frens

[real minnow]

Look good to you?
Storm is teal-colored

[lean berry]

Looks good

[lean berry]

You have a point. I've been operating under the assumption that when one is not on a TAC-Map (such as at Cell'Dar) one doesn't calculate in such details.

[feral yoke]

Give me an hour and I'll be able to talk, currently being burned alive

[trail spade]

@hollow canopy any ideas where do you want to be delivered?

[hollow canopy]

None at all. =v=

I need to go find some of the maps some people set up first

[trail spade]

I understand that we are dropping at C-Z.

[hollow canopy]

Ya, some of the people here have made maps of enemy coverage, expected movements and our deployment ranges, so I wanna see those first.

Is our plan still Digging In behind Venator's Line and holding off the convoy's?

[rancid oasis]

Yeah, probably best for the infantry to do that

[lean berry]

Storm Blessed General Briefing

I will be keeping it updated so people have a place to look despite timezones. It's also in the pins

[hollow canopy]

Oh, we can't Dig In on landing, can we?

[quartz bridge]

we'll dig in next turn ne~

[granite bear]

Don't think so since it takes all your movement to dig in and you need 0.5 to disembark.

[hollow canopy]

I'm thinking right around in front of Chariot's nose then. Keeps us far enough that we won't hopefully get mulched by the horde of Infantry marching down the road, but puts us right in the middle of it the turn after once we've already dug in and hopefully at full strength.

And I also assume we'll have a line vaguely following the blue like here.

[lean berry]

That's a hope, yes

[chrome knoll]

Time to go into combat again. We are doing the supporting this time so i'm less worried abt us. This is going to be a tough fight.

[quartz bridge]

@edgy ember Where in the blue (roughly) do you want to deploy?

[edgy ember]

Been out of the loop, can I get a sitrep explaining our objectives

[hollow canopy]

Dis about it

[quartz bridge]

We're deploying behind Venator to where the tanks will withdraw and digging in turn 2 to murder the advancing bot column with our concave.

tank+inf+CAS defence

[edgy ember]

gonna guess I should be looking to get sandbags set up

Do we have any infantry landing at 3719?

[quartz bridge]

most likely

[storm basin]

It isn’t submitted yet but me and Plasma intend to stay in atmosphere at 3620

For now that’s the plan at least

[edgy ember]

I could get sandbags set up facing SE to provide cover against the swarm

Does constructing require me to use all my movement? Trying to work out if I can unload and construct in one round

[quartz bridge]

I think each sandbag is 0.5?

[edgy ember]

Cause if I dont need movement to do the action, I could unload, move to flank aether, and dig in

Nothing about a movement cost there

[quartz bridge]

actions cost 0.5 movement

IIRC

[storm basin]

Pete

It’s in a general section on its own

Bc it’s for every action

[edgy ember]

just found that part

I was looking at the ground asset part

but its listed above in the stats

[storm basin]

It’s only there since it’s weird to put something in every action a unit can do

[edgy ember]

hummmm

[storm basin]

Basically if ya wanna get sandbags up you gotta deploy near the frontline

[edgy ember]

but I would also make poor use of my supply

[storm basin]

But be careful, if you’re going near the centre that massive ass gargant sized ? is coming for you

[edgy ember]

the better option is to move in this turn, set up next turn

thinking something like this @quartz bridge

[quartz bridge]

hold on, looking something up

[storm basin]

Before its stated, rushing does not double your speed

-# We had this mistake earlier, let’s not repeat it

[edgy ember]

Dont think rushing would serve me well anyway

[storm basin]

Yeah

[edgy ember]

I need enough space to get the line set before contact arrives

[storm basin]

Unless you want to walk infront of the current tank line

[edgy ember]

My plan is to have trenches set facing SE on the NE side of Aether

[quartz bridge]

Ok so it's 2 sanbags for 0.5 actions.
edit: sandbags enough for 2 infantry
edit: 0.5 movement

[storm basin]

Only wanted to state it before someone goes “rushing gives you 2 speed, so you will have 1.5 speed for actions”
Since that’s a common mistake we’ve had in the mini campaigns (minor jobs)

Departure… it’s not 2 sandbags per action

It’s just big enough for 2 units

If I recall correctly

[edgy ember]

.

[storm basin]

Yes using that

Its width is long enough for 2, so its just a sandbag image but doubled in length (as it’s easier)

[edgy ember]

Its the 'for 0.5 actions' bit I am questioning

[quartz bridge]

ah sorry, 0.5 movement

[storm basin]

Oh a typo…

[edgy ember]

Ah, yes

but that would require the VTOL to drop me where I want to cade

Could go just north of Bober I suppose

Suprise! Cover!

[storm basin]

Tbh I think I’m one of the only people who don’t intend to land

I dunno whether I’m insane or a genius

Ehhh… in rp stuff my character has almost killed themselves like 3 times already

[quartz bridge]

The green zone is the bots' range this turn as they advance, we'll be able to shoot them next turn behind the sandbags or the infantry could dig in and 'tank' while the tanks keep shooting.

[storm basin]

So I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re just the most accident prone person due to bad decisions

I mean… technically speaking

If you have a location for sandbags where inf already exist

You could ask ‘em to stay put for a turn, allowing them to dig in and upgrade your sandbags

[storm basin]

I mean it’s certainly gonna be longer than that, but eh I ain’t an expert on scale

[edgy ember]

Keeps Hopper out of the danger zone, gives support to the allies

its more to show the direction than anything

[quartz bridge]

Ah wait, I'm seeing the engineers can upgrade to trench while the inf shoot, the inf all upgrading is just an option if the engineer is too busy (am I reading this right)?
[Action Construct: Sandbag Line- Can build a line of sandbags long enough for 2 infantry squads to occupy. Acts as a structure/cover for infantry against targets on the other side of the wall. +1 Armor from incoming fire from outside the wall. Cost 1 Supply. All Infantry can use their primary action to upgrade this line to a trench.
Action: Trench Upgrade: Can upgrade a sandbag wall to a trench line. Allows units inside the trench to move and maintain Dug In defense bonus as long as they don’t leave the trench line. Defense and Dug In bonus void if hostiles enter the trench.]

[edgy ember]

Any infantry can upgrade it

[storm basin]

Yes

[edgy ember]

technically, we count

[quartz bridge]

Ah I see what the wording means now.

[storm basin]

It’s currently being debated if it means infantry tag or infantry specifically

[edgy ember]

its irrelevent

[storm basin]

Since Pathfinder are confused due to poor wording

No it’s since Pathfinder medics want to dig a trench

[edgy ember]

engineer gets Dig in as an action

[storm basin]

Basically the cons of engineers digging the trench is that they can’t benefit from the buff

[quartz bridge]

👍

[storm basin]

Since they can’t ‘dig in’ due to wasting half their movement

People you do realise if ya forward it the image stays?

[hollow canopy]

:o I've never forwarded anything before =v=

[quartz bridge]

soudesune *me 🤦‍♂️

[storm basin]

I;m only saying it as you keep replying to messages to let them be seen

[edgy ember]

Hopper, unless you have anything else to add, I will format my order and send it

[storm basin]

I really should work on my order…
;w;

[quartz bridge]

So upgrading to a trench is primary action but placing sandbags is normal action yes?

[storm basin]

No

Upgrading to a trench for infantry is a primary action

Engineers get its own action for it

[quartz bridge]

ah, cool

[storm basin]

I dunno if shack voids engineers upgrading trenches using a primary action or not

That… really should be stated somewhere

I mean it as a primary action usually is attacking