Battlegroup 3/13 - The Storm Blessed: Comms

[cunning aurora]

I think we burn for the city. It's called an advance force, they're assuming air superiority.

Our scouts have spotted 0 fast movers

we go in, shoot the orbital then descend to drop off the troops and capture the star port

[heady plaza]

Then we hold for 2 rounds, probably.

We should have enough sustainment to do so.

[trail spade]

Air superiority is a comfort that we would like to have but mirght not have. And if do not have then putting our inf on the ground is even higher priority then

[storm basin]

Remember, we have an AA MBT

Once we deploy we can start reducing aerial assets

[trail spade]

That works after being landed. No in the air

[heady plaza]

*only works if we unload it, but yes.

If we get on the ground, we are safer.

[frosty fulcrum]

Alright, INTELLIGENCE! Fantastic

[storm basin]

I’m assuming that all our orders are void if we make a different executive decision amongst ourselves
-# Mostly as it’s currently an activity check

[heady plaza]

Planning ahead a few rounds, land on 3218/3319?

[heady plaza]

As long as everyone stays in formation, we can just have the TCOs move us according to the vote.

[storm basin]

That’s fine

I just don’t want to get ejected into space because of a last minute swap

[heady plaza]

That would be unpleasant-

True - there will probably be a few hits, unfortunately...

[storm basin]

Don’t ask how the ejection would work through mag-locks, that’s just how I canonically expect deserters are treated if they’re in a ship, they get ejected

[cunning aurora]

Here's my idea for the next two turns (I hope the image loads)

We can make it to the surface turn after this one, but only if we go all the way

[heady plaza]

Descend to 3218/3319?, hold position in air (as we cannot land and unload same turn, unfortunately), following turn unload.

[heady plaza]

... unless...

Hexes are not forced. We can move on the edges and get further (probably) in a straight line.

[cunning aurora]

Oh damn we do need .5 movement don't we to unload :/

[heady plaza]

If we can squeeze out just 0.5 more distance, we can land and unload same turn. No CAS that turn anyways due to attacking frigate.

[heady plaza]

*edited my message, hexes are not forced.

[cunning aurora]

Alright I think the first 3 moves are still the same. 2 to get to nav 1, 1 to enter from nav 1.

so we have 2 on the first turn to play with

[heady plaza]

Entrance should still be on 3518

[cunning aurora]

Yeah. Then burn as far east as we can

[heady plaza]

... actually, we might be able to just descend on 3018 and get where we need to go - you pick and choose where you appear on TACMAP during descent iirc.

[cunning aurora]

we want to get rid of the orbital so it stops being a tactical map and the transports can just get there

we could do that afterwards, but Eli mcity is quite big. And our force is primarily infantry

[heady plaza]

... right-

Wait, no, we have Range 1, that should still be in range?

[cunning aurora]

1 movement in space is worth ~5 on the ground map

[heady plaza]

.... huh.

Because if we are in orbital combat, that's a High Orbit TACMAP, implying that VTOLs have range 1 on the map still.

I think RAW is that interpretation? I'd have to check.

Besides, remember that fighters and bombers still keep their range while in orbit.

[cunning aurora]

I would think they still have range 1.

Just think that bullets can travel further in space 😄

[heady plaza]

Ah. If the orbital moved but is still over elim we need to be on 4018 to guarantee we are in range.
If it didn't, 3918 would be fine.

[cunning aurora]

Let's go back to planning a bit. Calculating backwards
.5 movement to unload your unit
.5 movement to land the VTOL
2.5 movement to descend

That's 3.5 accounted for on turn 3.

That gives us a total of 1.5 on turn 3, together with the 2 spare from turn 2.

3.5 movement to get to elim city

could work

[lean berry]

Correct

[heady plaza]

3.5 movement can get us to the 3018/4017/4018 vertex with no ruler use. Might be able to do better with a straighter path.

[cunning aurora]

So we're hoping for this i guess

would only get us to east west though

[lean berry]

*West

Actually, it would work

When descending from High Orbit to Low Orbit/atmo, you can go anywhere

And the Elim City Tactical map is all one

It's just 3 different Strategic Points

So this should work

And if the bot-OD-Frigate (code name: Vulture) turns to engage us this turn (though I doubt it would) we could destroy it sooner

[cunning aurora]

I think this is the most generous intepretation of the movement. The length of one arrow is exactly the width of 1 hex

[lean berry]

We don't need to get into exactly the middle of the area labeled Elim City

[cunning aurora]

We still want to be able to hit the orbital though

[lean berry]

And we can from the center of 3918

[cunning aurora]

I guess we just submit and hope he allows it 😄

[lean berry]

Mhm

Although it's a Turn 3 problem

😅

[cunning aurora]

well if we don't do a full burn now it'll be completely out of the picture to land turn 3

[real minnow]

Oh, it doesn't weirdly take 3 speed to cross the space over a city jsing transfer points* anymore?

Sweet

[cunning aurora]

i mean....

yes it does

[real minnow]

I meant using transfer points, but yea

[cunning aurora]

I think it's 3 points when on the ground

[real minnow]

And we can support the whole city, not just one section?

[cunning aurora]

we're not sure

we think so but not 100%

[lean berry]

TLDR; no matter how you map it, moving via Strategic Map is faster than Tacitcal Map

[heady plaza]

Apparently...

Map implies so.

[quartz bridge]

Mm, that doesn't make much sense to me. The diagonal of a hex (opposite corners) is longer than opposite edges (which is same as center to center of adjacent hexes).

[cunning aurora]

This does make it seem so

[cunning aurora]

shhhhhh

like I said

most generous interpretation

[real minnow]

Sick.

Also 1 range on a hex grid is defined as the distance between the center of one hex to an adjacent hex.

Beyond that, its just a measurement

[heady plaza]

Eh? Isn't it corner to opposite corner?

[real minnow]

Certainly not.

Edge to opposite edge.

Just like a square grid.

Which is the same as center to center.

[heady plaza]

Ah.

Hm...

[lean berry]

Regardless, we have the speed this turn__ to get halfway from the Field Nav 1 <-> Elim City transfer zone to Elim City proper (aka 3718 east side) on the tactical map

[cunning aurora]

This would be the movement with center -> center distances

[lean berry]

We have this

Remaining 3.5 speed for descending, landing, and unloading (except for Egg and PU)

[cunning aurora]

Let's hope the orbital doesn't mind the 19 VTOLs barreling towards its position

[lean berry]

It's gonna have to mind

[storm basin]

“Raining fire from the skies, take them waiting by surprise”

[cunning aurora]

i meant: fly away even a little bit

[storm basin]

Gotta love when songs link to specific scenes

[cunning aurora]

if not next turn we fly up and kill it instead of doing CAS

[lean berry]

*** NOT THE BEES!!?!***

[cunning aurora]

Some people can even choose to stay up there

once we're in Elim City Orbit people can move a lot more freely

no need to stay cohesive

[heady plaza]

We should land everyone first and leave the damaged birds on the ground to be repaired.

The rest can bee swarm the following turn!

(Assuming we somehow roll a nat1 on a d10)

(Or the orbital runs away)

[cunning aurora]

I'm just saying. Turn 3 people are free to choose their own orders

of course I recommend landing their cargo first, but egg and panda don't have to first of all

[little grail]

Although.. the idea of the entire formation in a giant CAS sweep is kind of sexy

[heady plaza]

See that lightly armored/unarmored target there? I want it gone!

the bees descend

[heady plaza]

Yup!

Although I would strongly recommend dropping off your INF units and getting repaired first before you run off.

And if you run off, do it in pairs/flights of 4 for survivability.

[heady plaza]

... I just realized, this many VTOLs is extremely effective against PAI.

[little grail]

Support Flight (MEDEVAC/Rapid Response Engineer) will stay airborne? or what's the plan there?

[heady plaza]

... well we'll have to see how overwhelmed we are first...

[lean berry]

Rapid Response Engineer is...?

VTOL Plasma / ENG Zenok ?

[little grail]

IIRC correctly there's an engi that's tied to flight

[lean berry]

Tempest Engineer

[cunning aurora]

All normal engies are

Soviet is just attached to Tempest

we're all on the same tactical map, no need to differentiate between Tempest and Tremor

[storm basin]

Tbh, I’m getting off the aircraft immediately since I feel like repairs will be needed and/or the locals may need some repair assistance

[cunning aurora]

We have Noxim (Soviet Cat), Zenok (Grasshopper) and ConPete (Concrete Pete) as engineers (and combat engie)

yeah an engineer might need to fix the star port to make it operational

might be some RP stuff to do there

[heady plaza]

Yeah...

We know the starport was intact as of latest Intel, but is not secure - area under attack.

Quite possible it was damaged.

[storm basin]

Just before anything is said, I will not actively seek to commune with locals, if you provide the data I will provide the necessary repairs/actions to get stuff operational

[lean berry]

I'm very excited to get Aut1arm MBT-AA on the ground

[heady plaza]

Don't want any blue on blue incidents.

[cunning aurora]

Oh right. You're not the most... public facing... engineer

[storm basin]

… yes

I’m the only one who they would probably want to kill (even though the commander isn’t a robot)

But it’s kinda obvious they’re robots after a lil bit

[trail spade]

One point to take in mind though- starport is a type of building. Do you think we will need to indoor fight to take it?

[heady plaza]

Possible. Starport only known is intact but surrounding area disputed.

[cunning aurora]

[trail spade]

We need on the ground to secure starport. It is to take control.from insode and establish def perimetet around it. After that we can go into city and search for bots if they wont come to is by self

[heady plaza]

Yup!

We only need to hold the starport itself for about 2 rounds for reinforcements to arrive.

[trail spade]

So I would recomend not to spread our forces to far away from starport during these 2 rounds

[heady plaza]

(Hopefully. If reinforcements are delayed... 4 rounds at most?)

[trail spade]

Ok. So we need defensive perimeter around starport. This is one team. Second oa cleaning inside starport team and third is classical.supporting team with medics and engeeners

Best would be to have small qrf team for ourself to plug in any defensive holes or help.cleaning if needed

[trail spade]

Can our vtols regular arment be used against orbital? Asking becouse remember that we cant fite at aerials with this. Only ground targets. Maybe we need to put our forces to ground and then depemding by arment some vtols will support as CAS and some will go for orbital?

[heady plaza]

We are spread quite thin already, given that we are the QRF, so...

We can do a defensive perimeter, a INF + CBTENGI + ENGI to clear the building, and 2 Medics on emergency response. Remaining Medic on the primary front, ENGI on repairs for our VTOLs.

We'll just have to hold with what we have.

[cunning aurora]

VTOLs can shoot orbitals.

[trail spade]

Me gusta!!!

[cunning aurora]

Remember you can't land directly on buildings unless you want to take damage or have a rapelling rope

[heady plaza]

Can't land on buildings unless you have rappel.

The damage rule is for HATs.

[trail spade]

Yes. That is why I am thinking if we should land on 4 corners of starport

[cunning aurora]

Fair.

[trail spade]

We would have same time beginning of defensive perimeter

[hollow canopy]

:o What'd I miss?

[heady plaza]

We need open spaces to land, and only two spots available, really. Lemme pull coords quickly.

[heady plaza]

Did you see the vote?

[hollow canopy]

Nu

[trail spade]

Then our vtols start circulating around starport as cas for defenders

[cunning aurora]

Honestly that vote is kinda outdated now that we have the maps

the vote was made with the assumption that we would make it to elim regardless

now we barely make it if we full burn

[trail spade]

I am not sure if comming down from orbit actuallyimit us that way. I remember that up or down orbit was whole speed cost?

[heady plaza]

1/2 of total unit speed

so 2.5 for us.

[trail spade]

Ok so 2.5 for vtol and no actual limit where? So we can split to this 4 corners already comming down

[hollow canopy]

So what are we doing? :o

[cunning aurora]

Full burn to Elim. We're leaving Fluffle behind

[heady plaza]

Correction 4 spots. 2 larger ones.

2 major spots: 3119/3218/3219/3319 open area, 3415/3416/3516 with some small buildings.

2 small spots: 3116/3216 border, 3415/3518 border

[trail spade]

0.5 land, 0.5 unload,

[hollow canopy]

Oh, we're ballin' today? :O

[heady plaza]

*Unless NAV1 is heavily compromised and we have no way to run the blockade, in which case, we will have to get orbital support.

[trail spade]

How many of vtols fit one hex?

[heady plaza]

... depends how large the hex is...

@cunning aurora do you know?

[hollow canopy]

Do we have any intel or anything about the path to Elim city? :o Or is it all still just Unknowns?

[cunning aurora]

This looks like the landing area looks like to me

[heady plaza]

All intel is outdated.

NAV1 was uncontested during intel rounds - only civvie transports running through.
ELIM has minimum 1 frigate sized contact.

[cunning aurora]

You mean Nav-Point-1?

[hollow canopy]

Pretty much, and I assume High Orbit over Elim City

[heady plaza]

Yes, that.

... I should probably specify, there's a lot of nav points-

[cunning aurora]

I mean here we all fit into one hex. So I think it varies

[storm basin]

Also just being real, this is a starport

We should be able to land most if not all our assets quickly

[cunning aurora]

🤔

that's valid...

[storm basin]

Or else where the fuck is the space for the orbitals what lack landing gear?

[heady plaza]

We can probably land our units in the circled areas with no problems, but again, 2 larger ones, and 2 smaller ones.

[trail spade]

Or...

[cunning aurora]

I think we use ther southern one as a repair shop

lots of areas for vtols to land the engineers to repair

[heady plaza]

2 scenarios:

1. Starport is surrounded on all sides by hostile forces - we are probably kinda fucked if so, we don't have the assets to hold all sides completely. Maybe the streets?
2. Starport under attack from South (known) and at most another direction - we can hold those until we get reinforcements.

[storm basin]

That’s a good idea as engineers if they don’t move can only repair 2 VTOLs in a turn, if the engineer move, said engineer cannot repair 2 VTOLs

[heady plaza]

But because it's so large, you can land two VTOLs adjacent to an ENGI at once.

[storm basin]

God, I hate using this language as it’s so hard for others to compute

[hollow canopy]

Do we want to form a perimeter around the Starport without any focusing or do we want to focus defending the Southside? :o

[cunning aurora]

I think a perimete makes sense. Medics can be in the center to heal all infantry

we only need to hold a few turn

starting turn 2 on the ground infantry can dig in and have good defense

[hollow canopy]

If the bots are focusing their offensive on a particular point or two, it might stretch our line though, or likely lead to unit losses if we don't have enough targets for them.

[heady plaza]

Perimeter would be 2-3 distance diameter, so 6-12 long perimeter. Possible, but spread very thin.

Hopefully once we are on the ELIM Strat point, SF will be able to report in on which side has more of the bots, and we can prioritize our perimeter.

[cunning aurora]

We won't know that before we land.

No units needs to be completely alone, we can buddy up

And having units spread out means that any unit can quickly get reinforcements

[lean berry]

Can't Infantry Dig In immediately after unloading from our VTOLs?

Action: Dig In: Unit gains +2 Defense. This uses all of the unit's total movement and is the core feature of infantry. This stacks with other defense sources..

Not Speed

All movement

[heady plaza]

Unload costs 0.5 movement (speed)

[hollow canopy]

How much Infantry did we have, 8 Squads? Cause we could have the Infantry form a Perimeter around the Starport and the Vehicles we brought cover the Repair Yard we're setting up (Since they might not be able to get into the Starport.)

[lean berry]

yes, but Speed does not equal movement

Unloading is an Action

But not a movement?

[dull marten]

quick question for anyone able to answer. I am about to put in my order but I typically add a picture along side my orders, is that fine or would you like me not to do so so that it remains cleaner looking?

[heady plaza]

Again, if we get to the Strat Point, we can get our SF team reporting in on comms on where they need support. Since it's known we need 2 turns to land once on the strat point...

We will have at least some idea where has been hit the hardest.

[lean berry]

You can add a picture, yeah

[cunning aurora]

yeah that's fine

[heady plaza]

That's good!

[lean berry]

Tremor ||Tempest||

@gleaming palm @full lagoon @mellow scroll @dapper gyro @fiery summit

Orders due <t:1750888980:R> at <t:1750888980:t>

"Follow in formation" [VTOLs] or "Carried by VTOL" [Ground units] are acceptable

[full lagoon]

@lean berry ive not been tagged by my vtol so no clue what im meant to do

[heady plaza]

... That's Tremor, BTW?

[heady plaza]

Just state you are in their VTOL, since you can't do anything while in transit anyways (well, aside from RP if you want).

[lean berry]

Fixed 😅

[lean berry]

Yeah, same song second verse. Basically same orders as Turn 1

[heady plaza]

TEMPEST (AIR)

@frank ore @rancid tundra @dire viper @ashen crypt @odd fiber @true crescent @worldly meteor

Orders due <t:1750888980:R> at <t:1750888980:t>

"Follow in formation" is acceptable.

[cunning aurora]

We'll fix it. As long as we're in formation orders are more inactivity checks. You'll still be carried

[ashen crypt]

Done

[gleaming palm]

on it o7

[trail spade]

NO no no... landing points (LZs) are not point of defense for us. Inantry need to enter buildings to have best defens bonuses.

LZs are where we land and unload. Infantry will need to rush from such points to buildings at 4 corners around starport and to starport buildig itself

[lean berry]

Remember our main purpose isn't to completely secure the starport, just get a beachhead for Atlas, especially their HAT paratroopers

[trail spade]

South LZ looks a good spot to put our AA and establish RnR point.

[rancid oasis]

Holy shit, 300 messages is too many to skim through. Anything important happen?

[cunning aurora]

We got maps

[lean berry]

Mhm

[cunning aurora]

and we've decided to do a full burn to elim

since we won't make it to the surface on turn 3 otherwise

[lean berry]

TF3 Fluffle will be escorting us out of Lussan Gate and into Field Nav 1

[rancid oasis]

Huh, didn't realize there was another high orbit map over Elim city. Makes sense. For some reason I just assumed once we got to through Field Nav 1, we would just be at the city

[lean berry]

We could land this turn if we weren't interdicted onto the Lussan Gate tactical map or at risk of interdiction onto the Elim City tactical map

[fiery summit]

order in

[lean berry]

Aren't you Tremor 🌋 ?

[fiery summit]

wait am I technically Tremor? I can't remember off the top of my head

[lean berry]

And carrying MEDIC Fate?

[fiery summit]

I thought I was carrying Rhino

[heady plaza]

Sheet looks right...

[fiery summit]

images all had me carrying Rhino, sorry

[heady plaza]

Ah. We'll have to update that to fix it.

[fiery summit]

will resend orders

[cunning aurora]

You're right. I'm gonna double check the image

[storm basin]

Yup image says Lemming has Rhino

[cunning aurora]

Alright. I'm switching around the image. The correct unit to carry is on the sheet

[fiery summit]

This is what I get for being OOTL in the UK for a week 🤣

Order should (hopefully) be right now

[storm basin]

Being real Tig, I don’t think the sheet was used for Turn 1 for this

[cunning aurora]

Orders this weekend will be important

[storm basin]

As Rhino and Lemming both had agreeing orders

[cunning aurora]

Problem is that ice is in Tremor, he should be carrying the medic. Parrot is in Tempest, he should not be carrying a medic

[storm basin]

But yeah, that image needs fixing before we lose the wrong people

[lean berry]

XD

[storm basin]

Instead of it being foxbat being duped it’s going to be
“WHO THE FUCK IS DEAD?!”

Also I will rest mah caps now

[heady plaza]

If you could update the image on our landing page as well?

[cunning aurora]

Updated formation.

[lean berry]

@rancid tundra

You move around

[storm basin]

Parrot, enjoy the position of reserve bullet sponge… ahem honourable spear tip

[lean berry]

The picture was wrong

[cunning aurora]

Formation has been updated on the landing page

[storm basin]

Now we need someone to pin the correct formation

[cunning aurora]

@thorn edge #1382040199797801031 message could you pin this for us?

[storm basin]

Just wanted to get that done before we start using the outdated formation and actually have a repeat of foxbat, but with units dying

[lean berry]

@dull marten sorry to bother you, but we had the formation wrong. You're actually in PARROT, not Lemming. Please update and repost #1385617133991497748 message (your most recent orders) at your earliest convenience

[dull marten]

yea... thats super weird but yea

[lean berry]

Tigrium just got PARROT and Lemming mixed up when making the formation

Something like that was bound to happen eventually

[thorn edge]

How is that different from what I have pinned from artisticgrasshopper already?

[heady plaza]

An error in the formation on who is carrying who.

We've corrected it now.

[thorn edge]

Ahh. So I can unpin the other

[cunning aurora]

yes please

[rancid tundra]

I might not get my orders in until an hour before the deadline, I’ll probably just copy my previous post though
Actually, even though we messed up the formation don’t we need to stick with it until we can land and move people around?

[heady plaza]

I would suggest staying in formation, yes. We can't land anyways.

Copying previous post is fine. Correction, you are carrying "RHINO"

[lean berry]

No, we can't just stick with the previous turn's orders, since they have Lemming carrying both Fate and Rhino
You can copy your previous orders and modify the callsign of whom you're carrying for your orders this turn

[rancid tundra]

No? Looking back at last turn, lemming and rhino have each other in their orders, and me and fate have each other in our orders.

[lean berry]

Well 🤷‍♂️

Hmm...

[rancid tundra]

So since there was no error, just us following the wrong plan, we can’t do anything other than follow through until we land

[lean berry]

@cunning aurora thoughts?

[cunning aurora]

fine with me

gotta just make sure we stay in cohesion if we split the BG

[rancid tundra]

Splitting the BG only works when Tremor is disembarked anyway

We will always have mixed units in the air

The only way we could mess it up is if the Tempest Engineer got into a Tremor VTOL

[lean berry]

@mellow scroll

Orders due <t:1750888980:R> at <t:1750888980:t>

Not much has changed since Turn 1 so your previous orders work great as a starting point

[cunning aurora]

@dire viper @true crescent @worldly meteor Same thing ^^

[lean berry]

@dull marten @fiery summit @sudden tiger
DAPARROT brought up a good point that our turn 1 orders had the old/incorrect formation, but we DID submit those in #1386030427130564769 message, so that's what is in fact in effect.
Tigrium vetoed using the incorrect formation to aboid headaches

[sudden tiger]

Gotcha, so just to clarify, I’m in PARROT right now, and I need to hop into Lemmings next time I board a VTOL?

[lean berry]

That is the "assigned" pairing, yeah

But not by any means required

[cunning aurora]

👍 you got it

[lean berry]

The parings are just present for clarity and expediency, especially when moving strategically

Probably no need to change your orders unless you want to for clarity

[cunning aurora]

we don't know if we're doing the same assigned pairing outside of this formation again, we'll see

[dull marten]

I’m gonna be honest here there isn’t a major difference between weather or not we are in parrot or lemming so why is there such a big fuss about changing like a single line

[cunning aurora]

I don't know either tbh

it's pretty arbitrary

[lean berry]

It's a matter that theoretically players' units can die

So those closer to the front (Lemming vs PARROT) are at more risk

[cunning aurora]

it's more of a: why can't we just switch who's in who since neither has taken any damage yet

[dull marten]

I mean yea, but feel like this arguement was just so that they didn’t have to make the effort to change their order.

I respect the hustle, but like for real?

It’s like … a single line

So do yall want me to change my order back again?

[cunning aurora]

honestly: I'm making the formation. I'll just post the version for how it's supposed to be

[lean berry]

... sigh ... that's mostly up to Tigrium since he's the one doing the Intetions map right now

[cunning aurora]

why are we having such a headache over this

[lean berry]

😅

[cunning aurora]

we have some degree of arbitration as TCOs

this is a perfect reason to use it

[lean berry]

@rancid tundra, Tigrium is going to stick with the intended formation and VTOL/ground-unit pairings and send Shack the updated formation with the Turn 2 orders. No need to change your orders, just letting you know so you can post with your actual intended cargo... I'm mean awesome Infantry Squad, Rhino next turn

[storm basin]

I mean, goods, units, they are all just a type of cargo, it’s just that one is biological and another isn’t

-# You should be expecting these style of responses from someone who is literally playing as a character who makes robots

[true crescent]

Alright my order should be in

Was in a dead cell zone for a bit which is why I haven't been active

[lean berry]

Looks good. Just remember to include your supply count

[true crescent]

Just resubmitted

[lean berry]

Hang on...

You carry 4 supply

[heady plaza]

ENGI carries 4, yes.

[lean berry]

Yeah, @true crescent ^

[heady plaza]

You've placed down 2.

[lean berry]

Don't short change yourself 😅

[true crescent]

Resubmitted for the last time hopefully

[lean berry]

Mechanically it all looks good

[true crescent]

🎉

[cunning aurora]

Cutting it close I see

[strange sigil]

Hey, it's not any vtol bay, it's my vtol bay (not any better but we ball)

And besides

We have RAPID to act as a meatshield for us

[dull marten]

lol

[lean berry]

Mhm

Y'all MEDIVAC VTOLs are on the right side of the formation with Aut1arm. So hopefully you can stay safe once we land and our beloved AA-MBT starts up its lovely thrumming of gunfire.

[steady stream]

Guys can i get a summary because there’s like 100+ messages to go through

🙏

[hollow canopy]

Uhhh, sorting and sending orders, mainly.

Planning for our next moves, actually sending orders for said plan and sorting out a complication with the Formation and who's carrying who.

[steady stream]

oh ok

will we be going to elim city high orbit next turn (if there isn’t anything at nav point 1)

[heady plaza]

Planning to actually land next turn.

[steady stream]

oh ok

do i need to put my landing coords in my orders?

[upbeat lily]

Just need to wait and see what awaits us next

[heady plaza]

Not yet, need to see if we actually make it to ELIM first.

[steady stream]

oh ok coolio

[cunning aurora]

But yeah next turn coordinate with your transport partner and see where you want to land

we've already chosen a stagin area for repairs

[kind oyster]

would have suggested to go on a VC to discuss it everyone

but that might bring Chaos of scheduling

[edgy ember]

whelp, I just caught up on about 18 hours of messages

[cunning aurora]

anything to add?

[trail spade]

I sugest we develop a way how we land there by our flight formation. Eg. Left wing on left, right on right side of starport. Excluding engeeners, medics and AA. As seems we already decided that south left/west corner is best for them?

Second but no less of important we need to know who is going inside starport to clear it and take over and who is defending perimeter around it.

[edgy ember]

honestly, this is the hurry up and wait part

Looking to garrison buildings where possible is smart

chosing places where you think engineers should put defenses would be helpful too

[bleak robin]

You guys might want to entrench yourself while waiting for the rest of us to arrive. Use the buildings as strong points and dig the ground where the enemy might advance through.

[edgy ember]

If memory serves, we consume the same supply to make defenses and repair the VTOLs

so we cant afford to spend super heavily on either one without leaving ourselves vulnerable in the other area

[bleak robin]

Up to you all, it's an investment on your survival.

Also, digging trenches as an upgrade to sandbag walls doesn't consume supplies, so.

[zinc viper]

Poking my head in just cause I am eagerly reading around whilst waiting. Always free to share supply from another battle group. Would only take 2 to help stock a VTOL or 4 for an Engi team when we land after ya

[cunning aurora]

We have a lot of supply to go around. Ironically we're a very well supplied BG because every normal VTOL carries 2 supply. We're not staying here for a long time, and since VTOLs are movile, they can resupply further into the campaign.

So don't feel restricted by supply

[edgy ember]

The concern is if reinforcements get delayed

[cunning aurora]

Since the Airfield that'll be built in Crossroads will have supply

[edgy ember]

Im not going to avoid spending them, I am just pointing out that there is a cost to digging in, so we want to pick our spots with care

[cunning aurora]

We have 19 VTOLs with Supply. That's 38 supply. We have 3 engineers with 1 movement each meaning 2 builds if they don't move.
You can build/repair for 6 turns without running out

I think we fortify the starport. Put defenses in/on it so infantry get the bonus for digging in and being in a structure.

[edgy ember]

Were the contacts to the south?

[steady stream]

im pretty sure

[cunning aurora]

the ones we've seen yeah

[edgy ember]

one sec, let me find a pic of the ma

[cunning aurora]

this is the best intel we have

[edgy ember]

Blue are friendlies?

[cunning aurora]

yes the local police force afaik

but remember this intel is old

but it does show some enemies inside the starport

[edgy ember]

the detail Im focusing on is the grey sections

[cunning aurora]

I need to ask Shack if we can land on starport or only outside of it...

[edgy ember]

assuming those are walls, we can position our defenses to utilise them

[cunning aurora]

The problem is the enemy isn't here with a conventional force coming from a direction. They're just coming from the sky, so they can drop anywhere

so trying to create chokepoints is very difficult

[edgy ember]

while true, can our AA target them while the drop in?

[cunning aurora]

which is why I'm advocating just defending the starport since it's reasonable in size to defend and has cover for all units inside of it

no, AA does not target ODSTs.

that's their big advantage over using VTOLs to drop

[edgy ember]

Clustering up will make us vulnerable to orbital bombardment or CAS strikes

[cunning aurora]

It also allows us to quickly respond to any threats

quickly support (heal/repair) whever we are

and enables us to apply more force on any unit getting close to us

I don't think it makes us vulnerable to those things.

All attacks (but the Artillery bombardment) target single units, not groups of them

by staying together we're actually making our units safer

also we can occupy 7 hexes around the star port

making the outer layer much more resilient

well 6 around, and 1 in the center

if medics are near the center they have the tactical freedom to heal any unit in the perimeter within a move.

[steady stream]

Quick question, ik VTOL’s cant shoot at fighters or bombers but can they shoot at other vtols?

[trail spade]

No use of diging in while buildings are nearby. Mind landing and deploing troops does notcmran our infantry has to defend precisely at landing spot. We need space to put them on the ground but after that I would strongly rcommend them to run to closes building since they gave them a lot of defensive bonuses.

[cunning aurora]

No, unfortunately not.

[bleak robin]

There's another consideration. In the event follow up forces need to use any fortifications, they're around.

[steady stream]

oh ok

[cunning aurora]

VTOLs are Aerospace, we can't shoot aerospace

i want to see how well the 1d2 does this campaign

i'm considering getting the AA Missiles

especially for shorter missions

[kind oyster]

this is actually where the description of the Runway was also confusing since it says Aerospace, but it was supposed to be only fixed wings

[cunning aurora]

Good news! We can land directly on the Star Port with VTOLs. If anyone wants to land there next turn they're able

Working on a tactical map with all the intel we have so far

[kind oyster]

@cunning aurora where are you heading after you drop me off?

[cunning aurora]

My last action will be to unload you

Wherever it is you want

[feral yoke]

some of the bots in this are already dead from me and Aurora attacking then at the very end of the scouting phase (they are well armoured but we rolled well)

[bleak robin]

Oh? Got any stats to reveal?

[feral yoke]

none

[cunning aurora]

Updated numbers so they're more visible

Green = High Ground
Blue = Structure
Black = Terrain (can't be traveled through blocks LOS)

Not accurate, especially outside of the south side since we don't have intel on everything and we can't be sure what's a structure and what isn't

[kind oyster]

the Blue are Structures that are Garrisonable?

[cunning aurora]

yes. they will give +1 defense

[frank ore]

Can we drop tank's on the high ground areas?

[cunning aurora]

No reason you couldn't, but I'm not sure you could drive off

they're like a high tower above the building

[kind oyster]

are they the Only building we can Garrison? are the rest of the surroundings hus ruins?

[cunning aurora]

The rest of the building likely have buildings as well but we don't have intel

I'm sure once we land we'll know more but the ones highlighted are the only ones visible from the intel we got

[weary apex]

Can I get a recap of everything that was said this last day?

[cunning aurora]

The major revelation was the posting of the tactical maps for Elim. Orbital and Surface

It made us realize we need to travel further than expected, leading to us burning for Elim.

Now it's a discussion on how we want to assault the star port in the center of the map and what options we have

[heady plaza]

We can, as long as TF Atlas is supplied and has a few VTOL bays - we can resupply from any of the TFs.

[heady plaza]

IMO, prioritize starport (since that's our main objective), then we can push out to the south slightly to secure a zone (ODSTs do want a drop zone).

[real minnow]

Operation Deuce

-# for when shit hits the fan

Atlas Deployment of BG12 without access to the Spaceport.

This would involve borrowing STORM's two HVTOLs, if that's ok with you.
Still very much a hypothetical "emergency scenario".

For the record, Plan A is "Picket Line Docks at Spaceport, then unloads BG12."
Simple and easy.

[storm basin]

So… this is basically an emergency plan incase it turns out we get absolutely fucked

Not bad tbh

[cunning aurora]

You would need the HVTOLs for 3 waves? Are the orbitals going in to low orbit? Because otherwise that would take 6 rounds to do since you can only ascend or descend once per round

[real minnow]

Yea, we can bring the Rapid Sentinel's VTOL bay down into LO.

Corvette

Also our Med-evac ship

[little grail]

Oh yeah! We have a Hospital Ship!

I almost forgot

hawt as hell

On that thought, what's our plan on getting civilians off world if need be? MEDEVAC bird? Myself and @strange sigil can carry 2 FS at a time (they're a smaller race, maybe we could fit more? XD)

[real minnow]

Once we've taken the Spaceport, Atlas-"Picket Line" will dock to offload any remaining BG12 units. It'll have 5 empty Cargo Bays for any Civilians who require extract

[hollow canopy]

:o Hello, what's the SitRep? :D

[real minnow]

no change afik, just planning for the worst. #1382040199797801031 message

[kind oyster]

@cunning aurora can yah Drop me off around this Area? Considering the Shadowing of the Building It might be Tall and considering It Size as well it could be good, to turn it into a Strong point for any garrisoning force

[cunning aurora]

I mean I can but are you sure you want to go this far from the star port?

[kind oyster]

Deuce will Land either end of that Building/Compound

if that place is filled with Bots well atleast we can warn them

[cunning aurora]

Operation Duce is a backup plan that will take several rounds to arrive

we're landing on elim next turn, their speed 2 TF is only arriving in system

[kind oyster]

if not its a blind spot thats being observed anyways its a Large compound with a good height anywasys and literally beside the Star port as well

[hollow canopy]

Ya, but didn't our Spec Ops report fighting bots in the street west of that building complex?

[kind oyster]

tbh if its west that would mean they are already near the star port

if not ON

[hollow canopy]

I believe that was the report, ya. I think there was even speculation that the Bots may already be in the Starport building itself. (Although we have no evidence)

[feral yoke]

There look to be a couple in the starport building

[hollow canopy]

So you're sure there were Bot Infantry in the Starport building already? :O

[kind oyster]

lets wait for the next set of Intel then

[hollow canopy]

We are the next set of intel, aren't we?

[feral yoke]

Yep, you are

[kind oyster]

well we already In Pushing through. the next set of orders are Landing so I want to see if we get another set of Intel around Elim before we order the landings

[hollow canopy]

VTOLs can't spot ground units, which would be the only thing we'd have around until we make our landings. I think if anything, Shack will give us a brief look of Elim City as a whole, but not really actionable intel.

[feral yoke]

Aurora specops are already on the ground though

[kind oyster]

Well we still have Spec Ops on the Ground and LG Forces as well

[hollow canopy]

:O Oh, that's right. I forgot you could still feed us intel

[feral yoke]

My VTOL was also able to spot stuff from the air during scouting but that may have been an exception

[hollow canopy]

VTOLs can spot air units, but not ground

[kind oyster]

If shack decides to use them to give us Intel i want to see the line before i either Call, Fold or Raise the Pot

[hollow canopy]

Sounds good to me then. :O Aurora should be close enough to give you some idea then.

[heady plaza]

If we don't have the starport, we are most definitely allowing for orbital shuttling.

(We're pretty screwed otherwise)

[heady plaza]

If they are uninjured, we have our swarm of bees (assuming no pressing CAS priorities), and Atlas can dock to take some civvies if needed.

[heady plaza]

I would recommend against, given that we don't have any backup for at least 1, probably 2-3 rounds.

We just need to protect the core for long enough that we get our reinforcements.

[heady plaza]

Correct!

Unless we get contact with our SpecOps grp, in which case, they can report the situation on the ground.

[trail spade]

@hollow canopy any draft ideas where you would like to be droped?

[hollow canopy]

I assume just our designated repair yard could work. =v= Or as close to the Starport as possible.

[trail spade]

I am not sure if we could land at thouse green pads. Maybe thouse are landing pads?

That would be direct starport insertion. On the enemy heads thouth

[hollow canopy]

No, the open clearing to the South-by-South-East of it. :O Under the South-East wing/platform. I'd prefer the clearing over the building itself.

But I do intend on sweeping and garrisoning the Starport, since, you know, that's the objective

[heady plaza]

We do need to sweep the Starport first.

Establish contact with SpecOps, if the open clearing has bots, we don't want to land the support units yet.

(Although landing a tank on their heads would be funny-)

[untold pine]

@upper depot where do you want to land?

[upper depot]

Good question!

I assume we're just all landing around the big starport building and hoping the frontline is favorable

[untold pine]

From what I understand is that VTOL’s are landing around it, and the large open area will be used for repairs and stuff of the sort while we dig in

[heady plaza]

Some will try to land on the docks if possible.

[upper depot]

Honestly, I might back Enni by landing nearby the starport building and sweeping, No offense to the spec-ops team, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was already pitched fighting inside

[untold pine]

Ah

[untold pine]

Got it

[heady plaza]

100%.

Well we'll see when the midrounds are fully out.

[untold pine]

K

[upper depot]

Ideally, land near Enni's VTOL (Callsign Volf I think? I'd have to double check) and we'll go in together

[hollow canopy]

@trail spade 's VTOL, callsign Vtolf

[heady plaza]

Speaking of:

GROUND UNITS, Coordinate with your ride on where you want to go.

I'll throw up a map of landing spots I'd recommend when I have time.

[upper depot]

A map of landing spots would be nice, ya

[storm basin]

I kinda want to bail immediately outta my VTOL

I know I’m an engi, but god I’d rather risk da bots than any aa

[heady plaza]

Even if we do get interdicted at NAV Point 1, a landing spot map should help.

[rancid oasis]

Any spot I should aiming for?

[untold pine]

The ground

lol

[storm basin]

Other than that, I don’t mind wherever we go

Just please aim for the starport

[hollow canopy]

You're Engineers, right?

[storm basin]

yeah

I’m expecting to be made to land in the south east area

[hollow canopy]

You might want to just land at the Repair yard we've designated then.

[storm basin]

Bc that’s the repair yard

[vast lodge]

At this point I think me may want to wait till the turn over since things might change

And before people wander I don’t have anymore intel then you guys I just know how this ops goes which is nothing goes the plan on both sides

[strange sigil]

@little grail what's your plan for the next few rounds?

[little grail]

Great question lmao

To my mind I think it depends greatly on these midrounds

What are you thinking?

[strange sigil]

Yeah that's true

I'm not too sure

My role can be pretty flexible but also heavily dependent on AA presence and what needs doing

I don't mind doing CAS or flying about to wounded so you can heal them or medevacing

[little grail]

I'm in the same boat. Let's see what the ground picture looks like and we'll go from there.

[heady plaza]

*may be contested right now. @storm basin I'd suggest a backup in case it is.

Yup. Let's establish contact then plan.

[storm basin]

Backup landing zone is literally going to be the docking bay if that’s valid

[real minnow]

Our resident smart people have pointed out that it's possible there will be Lumaran captives aboard the Frigate over Elim.

[storm basin]

I want to avoid danger, being inside the starport seems safer than outside

[hollow canopy]

Oh, that is smart. :O We have such good intelligence agents!

[trail spade]

Can we establish contact with our SF Vtol or SF inf this turn?

[cunning aurora]

[real minnow]

We're gonna go for our Breach-plan assuming Storm doesn't destroy it in one go.

(and it's still there)

[cunning aurora]

yeah assuming it's still there

[trail spade]

Might be worth of trying radio contact for a new intel

Not sure thou who from us can do that right now? Only orbital or som of our VTOLS as well?

[little grail]

Fluffle is coming with us to Elim, right?

We're gonna have air cover and such?

[hollow canopy]

No, I believe we out-paced them and we didn't want to continue lagging behind by sticking with them.

[little grail]

... welp

[hollow canopy]

Let me double-check, I don't think I was awake when that was determined

[cunning aurora]

that's pretty much it

we would have to wait an extra turn to get to elim

[hollow canopy]

Oh, then ye

[trail spade]

We need to tought down ASAP since as we are longer in space we are more sitting ducks there.

[heady plaza]

What are the chances that a frigate specializing in orbital drop shock troopers would be taking on Civilians? That sounds like something more a backline or a midline, not a front line force.

[real minnow]

The chances? There's no predicting Shack's intentions.

Based purely on the Campaign-briefing-room post, it does seem like a possibility though.

[storm basin]

Well, by seeing the current situation, the frontline units are at the gate

Since, using the data we got from the SpecOps, they are attacking people at the gate (as we see by the combat we’re witnessing)
So… this could be anything really

[heady plaza]

The problem is that Storm doesn't have any sort of ability to scan... so yeah, if it's still there when task force 2 gets there, then they can scan and try to board. But otherwise I think that shooting a down is still the correct move.

[real minnow]

agreed, just something worth considering

[steady stream]

were we supposed to get a midround event?

[heady plaza]

The full map isn't actually due yet. Shack's just releasing some midrounds early as breadcrumbs.

[steady stream]

oh ok

i want the whole loaf 😭😭

[lean berry]

Yeah any mid-rounds and the #campaign-briefing-room map should be out soon™. Latest <t:1751061780:R>

[steady stream]

ooh ok thats good

[cunning aurora]

it's like 7 am rn for shack, i'm sure he's asleep

[lean berry]

😆 😅

Hence

soon™

[kind oyster]

SOOM™

[real minnow]

Honid's ship classes, feel free to use

[kind oyster]

We also have Phase Shifting/Electronic Warfare Fighters Based on the Midround events XD This is going to be a Fun show aint it?

[lean berry]

Oh absolutely. And we're getting right out of there

[chrome knoll]

o boy here we go

[feral yoke]

good luck

[chrome knoll]

I expect hostiles at elim orbit

[feral yoke]

there was an orbital when we landed so probably

[real minnow]

Whew, no VTOLs down.

[upbeat lily]

Orbital drop frigate I think

[real minnow]

Break out the champaign flavored protein bars

[feral yoke]

thats what it looked to be

[chrome knoll]

RADIO: "...In your last hour, Look to the skies. This is VTOL Si-Sok of Battlegroup Storm Blessed, reporting in to Elim Command. We will be attempting hotdrop into Elim City shortly."```
ima be putting this in RP post for Si-Sok next turn.

[meager ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5hCkh2AH58 Yall better be blasting this music lol
(From Redwall with love)

[ember snow]

TEA! woo

[chrome knoll]

btw, am suggest pin this for our mottos #1382040199797801031 message

[kind oyster]

Permission for First to Speak?

[lean berry]

"Vulture" bot orbital-drop-frigate, yeah

[kind oyster]

lol wrong channel XD

Anyways Permission to First to speak when breaking Atmo and Landing??

[chrome knoll]

should be pruduent to assume unknown hostiles are also fighters

[feral yoke]

presumably

[slow hazel]

Godspeed soldiers

[kind oyster]

Would this work?
"Welcome to Elim Gentlemen and GentleWomen, now shall we kick up a storm for these Rust Buckets?"

[chrome knoll]

I think we should all drop at the same high orbit hex so that we can keep us grouped while in hostile orbital & fighter range.

Also, evasion.

[kind oyster]

i think that was already our Original intent

[storm basin]

I don’t think we can evade

So we’d just be going all in

[kind oyster]

I think we cant Evade without breaking formation

[storm basin]

No, we in general don’t have it

Only some aerospace (basically fighters) get evasion

[kind oyster]

Light mechs as well (FOR SOME REASON?)

[storm basin]

They get it bc they’re fast

LVs, LMs and fighters get it

VTOLs don’t as that’d be broken

Literally a unit what can carry an entire unit anywhere across the map, getting a free armour of 2 just for flying seems broken

[feral yoke]

we're alive

[upbeat lily]

Going to be a really hot drop xD

[lean berry]

Well, we have our work cut out for us

[feral yoke]

yup

[chrome knoll]

Returning to Orbit / descending from orbit takes ½ the units total speed
so we have 2.5 movement
if 2.5 -> 3, then we can maybe try landing at Elim center,
if 2.5 -> 2.5 or 2, it'd be Elim northwest or center-northwest.

[lean berry]

Swarm-aerospace-boarding-bots, code name "Wasps" "Phage"?

[quartz bridge]

Don't forget landing is an action so takes 0.5 speed.

[kind oyster]

heh Viral Phage XD

[chrome knoll]

so maybe -> 3918 (2 speed) -> drop (2.5 speed) -> land (0.5 speed)

[lean berry]

We've already calculated that we'll have enough speed to get above Elim City, descend, land, and unload

[quartz bridge]

Are all the grey hexes different points over Elim? Or is it just the hex with "Elim City" labeled on it?

[chrome knoll]

where can we drop to from 3918 tho

[chrome knoll]

am assuming former

[lean berry]

The gray is Elim City

[lean berry]

Anywhere on the Atmo/ground tactical map

[quartz bridge]

dope

[lean berry]

Center is fine

[chrome knoll]

just saw question answered before i finished typing :p

[chrome knoll]

aight

@warm lichen once we have a plan set out, where do you want to be dropped to, assuming we survive next turn?

[quartz bridge]

Ah, and since shooting is part of the advance order and not a separate action, we get to do fly-by shots on the frigate. Nice!

[lean berry]

Yep

Except for any VTOLs which get tagged by the "Harassers"

(bot-fighters)

[cunning aurora]

Yeah but once we land we can land and set up AA.

[lean berry]

Since they probably have Aerospace Interceptor

And it looks like there any other AA ground-side

[cunning aurora]

Problem is we won't know exactly who will get hit.

[kind oyster]

Yup

[lean berry]

I reason this because Saber is airborne

[quartz bridge]

"Aerospace Interceptor: If a unit with this tag attacks an Aerospace unit, it forces the targeted aerospace unit to only attack the Interceptor. If the hostile can’t then it can’t attack during its turn."
We're attacking an orbital (we can't attack aerospace) so we should all get to attack it.
edit: oh I misread it, nvm

[lean berry]

Negative

[cunning aurora]

There are a bunch of ? blobs on the map. We don't know what those are

[quartz bridge]

and we're not sticking around to find out (other than the initial engagement of course)

[kind oyster]

also @cunning aurora can you drop me off either at the border of 3417-3518 or the bottom side of 3519?

[lean berry]

Aerospace Interceptor "taunts" hit targets to attack the "taunter". Since VTOLs can't hit aerospace, any "taunted" VTOLs simply couldn't attack.

[kind oyster]

Holy Shit Tormentor is an Orbital Manufactorum with either slaves or Holding cells XD

[quartz bridge]

for some reason I read it as 'if the intercepted unit attacks an aerospace unit' 😅

[heady plaza]

ATLAS looks like they are getting bogged down. I estimate reinforcements to take 3+ rounds.

we're going to have to hold out on our own for so long-

Well, nothing to do about that. Hopefully can get some air support from FLUFFLE.

[kind oyster]

They are back at the Gate Engaging the Tourmentor's escort

[hexed prawn]

Once this round has concluded Rabbit intends to hold a vote on whether we run the gauntlet to the station

[warm lichen]

Right now I am thinking 3416 or 3517.

[heady plaza]

We've confirmed Field Nav 1 to be Clear, as we were not interdicted.

[hexed prawn]

As we would be dropping in same round as Victorum, they would hopefully take priority target and screen us as we head to the Field Nav

[heady plaza]

Unless enemy orbitals follow you, in which case, you already know about them.

But they seem quite decisively engaged with ATLAS right now.

[hexed prawn]

My one issue is that I am unsure of the mechanics for that. We're speed one. Does that mean we come out at the gate and move one single tile a round till we reach the top edge? In that case, it would be useless coming out next round

[kind oyster]

Order Check does this look good enough?

Unit Callsign: Hound
Unit Type: INFANTRY
Unit Group: **TREMOR🌋 **
Equipment: Infantry Rifles

Order Type: Advance

Movement/Action Tracker: Disembarking VTOL CHARON and Engaging Hostile Targets

Starting Coords: Inside VTOL CHARON
Ending Coords: 35(18/19)

RP:
As The Storm Blessed breaks through the atmosphere, The Officer of 32nd Astral Hounds spoke through all Battlegroups Communications, speaking with a tone like a Tourist Guide
CO: "Welcome To Elim, Ladies and Gents! Let's have some fun and kick up a Shit Storm for these Rust-Buckets, now Shall we?"

The HOUNDS Took off their safety belts off as Landing Started and Rushed out of the Doors and started the Party

[lean berry]

Yep. Though wait till orders open back up when the final maps are posted in #campaign-briefing-room before posting your orders

(I'll post on #1385617133991497748 when they open up)

[kind oyster]

I know But this is literally the only thing I need to say

[heady plaza]

Coords seem weird, where? Oh, you're in the NW NE area.

I'd recommend being slightly closer to the starport? We need to get more security, and also we have limited resources (we need to hold for quite a while-).

[kind oyster]

im pretty sure 35__ are East of the Area

and 3518 is across the street

[heady plaza]

Hm. Enemies are already past that point (one group on 3417), so... we might not have that much time.

[kind oyster]

The 3519 is more of lightening the Load and heading into the building above the 3519 section

[lean berry]

Yep

[kind oyster]

BRIEFING MESSAGES

[lean berry]

No need to all-caps

[heady plaza]

In that case, though, you'd be isolated and known to be surrounded already (3417, 3418, 3319).

[lean berry]

Are you on a time-crunch?

[kind oyster]

its 2am

[lean berry]

We have 48+ hours

Then go to bed

You can check in in the morning

[kind oyster]

FUCK NO the messages are here

[heady plaza]

Go sleep! I'll make sure to have an updated log and a LZ signup sheet ready.

[kind oyster]

NEVER!!!! I'm still painting a Model on Blender!!!

yeah I do feel like I should Take that Building/Area

There's A Pocket Across from it as well

[heady plaza]

So many unknown contacts-

[upbeat lily]

Looks like there maybe another orbital on the corner in Elim

Or something big

[heady plaza]

There's also red contacts that are translucent - not sure what they are.

[kind oyster]

Prepare you LZ Ladies!!

[kind oyster]

probably generalize Location markers

[fiery summit]

Do we know what the translucent green areas are?

[kind oyster]

High Points

[fiery summit]

ah gotcha

[heady plaza]

... what's the yellow again? Don't remember what they were.

Blue = buildings
Black = blocks LOS
Green = High Ground
Yellow = cover/concealment?

[kind oyster]

Yellow Is I think Ruins/Cover

[fiery summit]

looks to be cover/concelment

[trail spade]

@hollow canopy 3219?

[fiery summit]

not much cover out of there though...

[heady plaza]

I'd suggest 3218, even though it's right on top of them - otherwise, they have high-ground advantage.

[kind oyster]

That one is more scarier thn mine

[kind oyster]

theres also a Possible Bot Presence in that area shown as the Translucent Bot Head

[fiery summit]

landing as close as possible is preferable but i feel landing on the outskirts and making our way in would be better

[upbeat lily]

@exotic lion let me know where you want to land

[lean berry]

Remember the entirety of the starport circle is a structure

[fiery summit]

maybe in the 3413/3313/3412 area? (north)

[lean berry]

Infantry are strongest when dug in. We do not want to be Advancing into entrenched opposition

[kind oyster]

That could end up as a Triple siege XD worst than Caesar's Alesia

[fiery summit]

yeah fair enough, forgot we're not even inf based we're inf based

[heady plaza]

We'd be flanked the entire time, unfortunately.

[exotic lion]

@upbeat lily hoping to land near enough the SF to heal them, but overall waiting to make sure im surrounded by friendlies, not enemies

[heady plaza]

We need to land on the starport itself or be taking the area next to it.

[fiery summit]

I think because we're our own transports we can land wherever, the question is how hot are we willing to have our LZ.

[heady plaza]

Yes, we can land outside of the starport, but the city looks pretty over-run right now. I'd advise against committing that much to other locations.

[fiery summit]

we're also such a large group we need a load of space to unload. Smaller, separated groups (maybe 3-5 squads each) is practically required.

[hollow canopy]

Am awake, I see that news isn't great, but not terrible

[fiery summit]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[hollow canopy]

So what's our plan? :D And how's the other Battlegroups feeling so far?

[fiery summit]

It's looking very ok with current intel. Nothing too bad (other than the slightly concerning unknown contact up north that seems to be orbital sized).

[fiery summit]

News hasn't been out long enough to formulate even a concept of a plan. Just general feelings rn

[kind oyster]

Oh Thats probably Saying, We Dont Have Any form of Intel In this Area What so ever

[hollow canopy]

Oh, dang, I thought I was a few hours late

[fiery summit]

I would hesitate to assume that...

[kind oyster]

Like how we know theres Bots Over Yonder but dont know Exactly where

[untold pine]

Don’t worry, I thought the same, luckily I don’t see and AA

[kind oyster]

I can Think That is it, because SFVTOL Saber isnt saying theres a Giant Orbital over here inside Elim

[ember snow]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-alex-the-lion-crate-knocking-knock-knock-gif-24468580

[hollow canopy]

X3

[untold pine]

lol

[fiery summit]

fair

[untold pine]

Hey, wait, guys, that’s the best part about the Talon 1, it’s not only scrap metal. A few of my levers are wood. Got to make do. (Knocks on the depressurization button)

[heady plaza]

One pissed off Adj filing paperwork later

"I'm grounding Talon-1 after the mission due to airworthiness concerns. Until then, don't let anyone else die."

[kind oyster]

"Sir They Left like Hours ago already"

[untold pine]

lol

[hollow canopy]

So. :D We continue with our original landing plan then?

[cunning aurora]

Pretty much yeah I would think

but that force coming in from the north west is something we can't ignore

[hollow canopy]

That did concern me...

[cunning aurora]

and all the ? scare me, they could all be AA

[untold pine]

They could.

[kind oyster]

@cunning aurora where do you want to land? 3518 or 3519?

Tbh I think The Orbital and its Fighters are doing the AA for this area at the moment

[cunning aurora]

can I convince you to go 3418 and go inside the building there?

or maybe 3416?

you can then attack south from there, not sure I can land in 1518 I think a lot of that is building

and 3519 has the ? to the osuth that scare me

[hollow canopy]

Trying to lock down the city block with the Starport?

[cunning aurora]

yes

[fiery summit]

oh and who am I officially carrying? is it Rhino or Fate?

[cunning aurora]

whatever is on the sheet

lemme check

Fate

[kind oyster]

I desertain that one is Friendly considering it seems there's Bots Shooting at it tbh

[cunning aurora]

oh, good eye

so you want 3519?

[kind oyster]

yeah we could Gun Run the Bot there and I could finish them off

[hollow canopy]

Oh, that does change things if some of the unknown contacts are actually civilians (Or local enforcers, although I bet most of those are already near the Starport)

[cunning aurora]

i'm not sure we'll get a gun run in since we're likely shooting the orbital

or we say we leave the orbital and do CAS next turn

anyone have any idea what these are?

[fiery summit]

we're assuming unknown bot contacts

or possible bot contacts

[kind oyster]

Theres Bots overe there We dont know Specifically where

[hollow canopy]

I saw those too, had no idea what it was suppose to be. Maybe it's their PAI?

[kind oyster]

type of dillio

[ember snow]

Terminators, obvii

[untold pine]

What if we land on them? Like right on top. Crush them yk

[hollow canopy]

Personally, I think it's someone's suggestion of Unknown Unit.

[heady plaza]

Proposed defensive line in Purple (Using as much of the Black Walls as possible).

NW is incredibly weak, but I think we can hold for at least a bit.

[cunning aurora]

I just realized the top left has a massive question mark

[hollow canopy]

Oh dear...

I guess we have zero information on there to even pick up question marks then.

[kind oyster]

No its not a Giant Orbital Its Probably says We dont know whats happening Here

[hollow canopy]

It must have AA then...

[upbeat lily]

Unless if they dropped a factory on that corner xD

[kind oyster]

Someone would have told us about that if it was

[untold pine]

Hm, it could just be a large force. Or what if it’s civs?

[upbeat lily]

A lot of enemies coming from that direction

[quartz bridge]

How do you think we should deploy against it? My first draft/iteration proposal is to of course use the starport's defenses, with forces that won't fit there concentrated just northeast, ~ 3316/3415/1416 (depending on how much space each VTOL and unit take up). We try to hold that flank while sweeping the scattered bot squads around the starport clockwise?

[hollow canopy]

Whatever is there, it's gonna be a fight to figure it out.

[cunning aurora]

I know it's a lot to ask. But try to use images instead of referencing the hex squares all the time.

[untold pine]

Honestly, some of us will die no matter the plan at this point, we have a large ship right here, and possibly AA on the ground

[hollow canopy]

D: Ya, I haven't memorized the Hex positions yet.

[quartz bridge]

ah, thanks for the advice😄

[dire viper]

i think a group of about 2-3 should go to 3218, anyone up for joining me

[hollow canopy]

Oh, that's a hill the bots are shooting down from too...

[kind oyster]

Anyways @cunning aurora 3518 then? Or are you okay with 3519?

[cunning aurora]

Is what i'm thinking of right now

We need to do CAS on the attacks from the north before we can really damage them

what i'm afraid of is them having 1 armor then getting +1 armor from being inside a building

[heady plaza]

I would propose deploying overflow to SW High Ground instead.

[heady plaza]

This.

[cunning aurora]

Remember we have 9 infantry to deploy. We don't want to go too thin

[hollow canopy]

We might need a squad or two to the North-East, if those are in fact, unknown enemy contacts or drop markers.

[cunning aurora]

Our two tanks should definitely go to the high ground, they can stay there since they have longer range

[heady plaza]

They can rotate while on the high ground, I'm not too concerned.

[heady plaza]

We can't garrison the starport?

[hollow canopy]

There's units already garrisoning it though

[cunning aurora]

What do you mean with garrison starport?

[heady plaza]

The starport isn't blue (as a structure INF can use would be)

oops, replied to the wrong message with the garrison comment

[cunning aurora]

The Star Port is blue. You can gain the structure bonus from it

[chrome knoll]

hm, how abt 3416 west/southwest/centerwest to help defend starport?

[heady plaza]

? Not on the tacmap Shack sent in the briefing room-

[kind oyster]

I'll take the 3518 then Tig so I can go up onto the High Ground next to it after dealing with the Bots Nearby

[quartz bridge]

my 1st draft plan

[heady plaza]

Huh. Do units benefit from high ground and from structure, then?

[cunning aurora]

Yes

Here for example they have both

[hollow canopy]

Hehehe... =v= Pavlov's Starport.

[heady plaza]

NE is the one with least concern right now... We should probably focus on stopping NW and reinforcing the SW side.

[cunning aurora]

Oh. I don't think the star port bays are covered. So the things in the center aren't covered

[kind oyster]

Higher would mean you get better Line of Sight, and Enemies dont get low cover if they are near enough

[heady plaza]

.. I think we'd still rather the high ground, and only have like 2 hold the building?

[kind oyster]

Buildings are Both Cover and Concealment

[quartz bridge]

I thought maybe we wouldn't want to deploy directly on top of them. Maybe we'd rather have the infantry attack assisted by CAS?

[cunning aurora]

Problem is within a turn a ton of infantry will be inside the star port

We need to stop these or at least slow them down

They're gonna be much harder to hit once they're inside

[quartz bridge]

right, we want as many forces immedietely in/around the starport as possible

I guess I'm just speculating on how much space we'll take up to deploy, and where the exentions of that zone around the starport should be.

[heady plaza]

We could risk only dropping 3 units on NW, but I'd be much more comfortable with 4 or 5, with one being an MBT.

[hollow canopy]

There's where a bulk of the attack force is right now, so right now, there's where a bulk of our forces should be too.

[cunning aurora]

I think MBT and MBT/AA go to the NW Platform, along with 1 engineer to support them

[hollow canopy]

Maybe 2 Infantry squads too? Mainly as Garrison for the NW?

[cunning aurora]

Not sure how much space that platform has...

the garrison, 2 tanks and an engineer would likely fill it

and we can't land on the building itself

[hollow canopy]

OH! You're putting the armor on the platform. :O I didn't know you could do that.

[quartz bridge]

I agree, but do we want to land on top of them or next to them on one or both sides? 0.5 hex, 1 hex?

[cunning aurora]

Why couldn't you...

[hollow canopy]

How would they get out? :o I assume by VTOL

[kind oyster]

It fits a Vtol

[cunning aurora]

There's one big decision we need to make: Do we attack the Orbital with the VTOLs or just fly down and CAS when we get there

[heady plaza]

HVTOL. How they got on is how they're getting off.

[hollow canopy]

I'll leave that decision to the VTOLs. =v=

[vast lodge]

I think hitting it is the right choice or it going to keep dropping more troops

[cunning aurora]

The reason we need to make a unanimous decision is that attacking the orbital only makes sense if we all do it

[heady plaza]

We can't move because we are committing all our movement. Only CAS we can do is right on our drop zone.

If we are hot-dropping, then we should CAS planetside.

Other thing - Shack has life-signs aboard the the bot-ship (at the gate. Who's to say there aren't civvies aboard the one above ELIM?).

[cunning aurora]

doing it piecemeal wouldn't be effective

[kind oyster]

@cunning aurora

Unit Callsign: Hound
Unit Type: INFANTRY
Unit Group: **TREMOR🌋 **
Equipment: Infantry Rifles

Order Type: Advance

Movement/Action Tracker: Disembarking VTOL CHARON and Engaging Hostile Targets

Starting Coords: Inside VTOL CHARON
Ending Coords: Elim City - 3517/3518 Border

RP:
As The Storm Blessed breaks through the atmosphere, The Officer of 32nd Astral Hounds spoke through all Battlegroups Communications, speaking with a tone like a Tourist Guide
CO: "Welcome To Elim, Ladies and Gents! Let's have some fun and kick up a Shit Storm for these bots Shall we?"

The HOUNDS Took off their safety belts off as Landing Started and Rushed out of the Doors and started the Party

Good enough?

[cunning aurora]

Not our bot ship, but the big one at the gate

[heady plaza]

Yes. We have no idea about ours.

[cunning aurora]

I would say disembarkin on 3518 then advancing to 1417

[quartz bridge]

I favor taking a chance to stop those drops ASAP.

[heady plaza]

Add a "Facing: South" clause.

[warm lichen]

Sounds good to me.

[kind oyster]

That So far Off XD 1417

[heady plaza]

True - but then we lose our CAS ability for helping us secure our drop zones.

A first strike could mean reduced casualties on drop, since iNF is FS-limited on attacks.

[kind oyster]

its Off the BOARD

[cunning aurora]

3417 is what I meant

[kind oyster]

copy

[vast lodge]

But the question is how many would be in cas range when deploying since it most of a vtol movement to get down and land

[heady plaza]

I wouldn't reccomend stepping out that far - hold just hugging the wall, otherwise one or both of the opposing INF have flanking. Forgot it negates armor and defense, not a flat boost to attacks. That's fine.

[kind oyster]

Movement/Action Tracker: Disembarking VTOL CHARON At 3518 and Engaging Hostile Targets, Heading West To 3517

[cunning aurora]

You wouldn't be able to hit anyone

[heady plaza]

VTOL guns are range 1

[cunning aurora]

If Units are in range, then the VTOLs are to

[heady plaza]

Wait, if you're moving, you don't have defense anyways. Disregard previous.

[cunning aurora]

and you can't dig in turn 1

since you're using .5 movement to disembark

[kind oyster]

Alright I'll post my Order now So I can sleep

[cunning aurora]

you still got 2 days, no rush

[kind oyster]

its 2:30 in the morning now

[heady plaza]

Redirect the two on SW high ground to the NE NW front? Since that doesn't look too bad right now.

[kind oyster]

Also I was Right That the Building East of the Starport was going to be Important XD

[cunning aurora]

NE is nothing. we can respond to the turn 2

[upbeat lily]

I feel like we should save our gun runs for the enemy on the ground

[cunning aurora]

#1382040199797801031 message make sure you vote

[vast lodge]

I think for this turn i should probably stay dug in

[cunning aurora]

Absolutely

[hollow canopy]

You could use a medic too. :O

[kind oyster]

Anyways I'm going to Sleep, Pin any Messages that are VERY important

[cunning aurora]

We're not allowed D:

[kind oyster]

see yah all in 6 hrs?

[hollow canopy]

Bai bai fren. :O

[vast lodge]

Next turn I should be able to start scouting points but we will see

[heady plaza]

Correction, meant NW

[heady plaza]

Can't dig in T1, due to spending movement.

Wait, you're our SF-

[hollow canopy]

They're special forces, they already deployed

[heady plaza]

Oops-

Yeah, stay dug in.

[cunning aurora]

The units on the SW platform can also shoot the infantry advancing from the NE if they get into the star port with a +1

[upbeat lily]

Our infantry units should be able to start moving the moment the VTOLs touch the ground correct?

[heady plaza]

Hm... MBT to 3216, 2INF support (redirected from SW), 1 ENGI? Could be up to 4 CAS attacks, an additional if we bring a medic.

[heady plaza]

Yes. 0.5 to unload, 0.5 remain.

[vast lodge]

0.5 movement since they need to get out first

[heady plaza]

3318 is dangerous - there are 2 enemy units that can have high ground against you.

[quartz bridge]

#1382040199797801031 message
I like these positions as I look at them, and then he northeast quarter being clear could be good to put engis for injured VTOLs.

[upbeat lily]

Was thinking of landing in that 3418 spot with a medic to help our SF team, probably would like an infantry team or two to land nearby as well xD

[heady plaza]

Dark Purple as our close-defensive line, and we can try to push out to Light Purple if we can.

[kind oyster]

Tbh that building across the street isn't safe it's connected to the Large Compound next to it that's a building

[cunning aurora]

[kind oyster]

To the east

[hollow canopy]

X3

[heady plaza]

Go to bed.

Also, did not realize that-

[cunning aurora]

[kind oyster]

I have to notify something that i see

[cunning aurora]

[kind oyster]

Now off to bed

[hollow canopy]

So much aggressive bed-pointing. =v=

[heady plaza]

Hm. Is it? There's a thick grey area that's not indicated as a building.

[hollow canopy]

I think that's like, elevated foundation.

[kind oyster]

It's not blocked out so it isn't a wall, but there are parts of that compound that are building, it's either a court yard or something and by the looks of the rest of the walls it does look like it's part of the compound

There's also an Overpass right on the North East that looks connected to that grey patch si

[little grail]

checks midrounds

... fuck.

[hollow canopy]

It's not terrible (For us)

[little grail]

Do we have to be in The Grey zone to drop to elim?

[lean berry]

Let's see... With 9 INF, 1 CBT ENG, 20 VTOLs...

Yeah

MBT-AA and MBT

We should be good

Just need to set up a perimeter

Also, I still think there's little to no AA in the area

Aside from the 2-4 harassers in high orbit

[cunning aurora]

First prospective orders are in

I can collect them and post them here before commiting them to a order

[heady plaza]

Aurora is at 3 FS, not 4.

[heady plaza]

Ops-Log time?

I can try to throw together a doc real quick.

[heady plaza]

(Also, if HOUNDs isn't advancing past the wall, they should probably be facing more SW)

[cunning aurora]

#1382040199797801031 message
Reminder to vote

[heady plaza]

... Actually, if CAS wins, we can have the VTOLs move more on tac-map. Don't need to get within firing range of the Orbital.

[cunning aurora]

ehhhh maybe

it's a very close call if we can do it in 1

[real minnow]

Y'all looking like you'll have enough to hold that port?

[hollow canopy]

Seems so, ya. :O

[vast lodge]

Really depends on what else is around the city so we can hold but for how long we don’t know

[heady plaza]

For ~2 turns, yes.

Any more delays, will be less certain.

[lean berry]

My attempt at the same

I like that yellow text for names better

Makes it pop more against the red advance order makers than orange

[heady plaza]

@hushed trout Where do you want to go?

(I'd suggest the high ground since you have the AV Missiles)

[storm basin]

Before I am asked, I’d like to disembark within the starport

[lean berry]

Most of y'all should do so (sans the MBTs)

The entire circle of the Starport is a structure, so +1 Armor

[cunning aurora]

I think we can only land on the landing pads (green area)

which have a limited area to land on

so not everyone can land there

[lean berry]

Judging by the size of them with the Saber, yeah

I doubt more than 1 VTOL could land at each

[cunning aurora]

i'm thinking we could squeeze two on there, but yeah

[rancid tundra]

is landing outside a problem?
because not needing any sort of landing pad is the point of us having so many vtols

[lean berry]

Yeah, but getting surrounded is a potential concern

And high ground (green areas)

[cunning aurora]

Outside is not a problem. But not onto buildings. You would need Rappeling rope for that

[quartz bridge]

Oh, I think my misconception was that we could land anywhere but green and that green was indoors. This makes more sense.

[lean berry]

Plus structures (blue areas, give +1 Armor to infantry)

[cunning aurora]

The big circle shaped area is all structure, shack just didn't want to shade it all in

[lean berry]

The Starport is big

[rancid tundra]

ah we would have to land on top of enemies then

medics, engineers, and tanks on the safer landing pads and other vtols go for a contested landing just to the south of the spaceport?

3218/3319 for the non-landing pad vtols

[lost hare]

When do you need Logi? We are debating delaying our march towards landing.

[cunning aurora]

Logi? We likely won't need logi but reinforcements

[hollow canopy]

Ya, I think we don't use supplies at all in this group...

And if we do, we have like, what? 50 of it in VTOLs?

[cunning aurora]

And AA (fighters) will be essential, they likely have 4 fighters and we only have 1 AA

38 Small Supply

[hollow canopy]

Close enough. =v=

[cunning aurora]

Engineers and Medics use sups

[hollow canopy]

Oh, right. =v=

[trail spade]

@hollow canopy A, B or maybe C?

[rancid tundra]

they have their own supplies at first, and we have like 6 supplies for each of them on vtols
we'll be fine

[hollow canopy]

Still kinda waiting to see what the rest of our group is planning to do, wanna wait until the plan is more solid. I'm feeling like I'mma back-fill around A/B area though and move into Starport or where-ever needs bodies though

[lean berry]

34

17 VTOLs x2

HVTOL and SVTOL don't carry SS

[trail spade]

yeah but still count that some might not reach to starport as calculated statistics

so we may have even half of supply

[lean berry]

@full lagoon @frank ore @gleaming palm thoughts on where to land the MBTs? I'm inclined towards A

[hollow canopy]

All of our VTOLs would make it to landing through, wouldn't they? Even if they have AA, you'd still get to the Starport and Disembark before taking enough hits

[lean berry]

Depends on if they have any ground-based AA (we don't think so based on Saber's strafing runs)

[trail spade]

MBT has some range so we can put them even at 3118 or 3119 giving some cover at touchdown

What is hopfully interesting - looks that starport is not take by bots so far!

[cunning aurora]

Might be enemies behind

[trail spade]

True but we can put MBTs coveret by thuse black elements from that sde

[cunning aurora]

they're coming though. next turn they will be in the star port

[trail spade]

looks so

[lean berry]

Also, there's some areas that have both cover and high advantage

[trail spade]

like that maybe?

[cunning aurora]

Those are just blocking. No High/low ground

[quartz bridge]

Would it be proper to have a few extra infantry not fitting in the landing pad VTOLs to pile into the starport from the right side? (And do infantry only get building protection against outside enemies?)

[lean berry]

High ground

Structure

(the blue)

[trail spade]

yes. if Eny is at same building Shack wrote that def bonus is not applied.

This is interesting. Looks like bots are at building with some higher ground bonus

[lean berry]

Yep