Battlegroup 3/13 - The Storm Blessed: Comms

[true crescent]

We will be arriving first in the system before anyone else

[lean berry]

Mhm. Tigrium's plan would work

[little grail]

The dream is turn 2 everyone is boots on ground and we have VTOL's swarming CAS like crazy, with a response team in reserve for rescue as needed

[untold pine]

I do have a question for how the Order submission works. I saw how you do it, but how would we communicate the picture above in the order submission?

[little grail]

Not turn 2 proper, I mean in like a deployment scenario

[lean berry]

Turn 3 in this is when TF3 Fluffle arrives. Turn 4, TF2 Atlas arrives. Turn 5, TF1 Victorum and everyone else.

[lean berry]

You can post pictures with your orders

[untold pine]

Ok

[bleak robin]

Which means you all will need to survive three turns at minimum before reinforcement arrives. Also note, that you all are likely to encounter enemy contact the moment you all arrive in system.

[real crest]

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-and-gromit-oh-dear-wallace-oh-my-wallace-and-gromit-the-curse-of-the-were-rabbit-gif-7758325907991744670

[lean berry]

Also, us TAC-COMs will be posting pictures for the orders we hand off to Shack/Dresden

[lean berry]

Two turns until TF3 arrives. But yes. Hence us going to the Damar Rock Station to repair

[true crescent]

We will have orbital support at least from fluffle I believe until the main force arrives

[bleak robin]

Yep, minimally another two more turns.

[true crescent]

I think with the amount of CAS we can muster to support our units we should be able to hang on long enough

[bleak robin]

Hey, if you guys think that works, go for it. I'm just an overworked intel guy.

[storm basin]

The only thing is, we would need to know where their AA installations are before we use the CAS, so that we can destroy ‘em

As… I dunno how their targeting would work, but I don’t think they would change targets, just because a unit is 1 hit from death

[lean berry]

You could put it as:

• Turn -4
  • BG3 The Storm Blessed arrives in the Lumara system via Lussan Gate
  • Flies to Damar Rock Station to make contact with the mining company and their mining Light Frigates/Fighters
• Turn -3
  • Repair any damaged VTOLs
• Turn -2
  • TF3 Fluffle arrives in system
    • Maneuvers to whatever route they decide
  • Storm returns to Lussan Gate with mining company Light Frigates
• Turn -1
  • TF2 Atlas arrives in system
    • Flies to Elim City starport
    • Deploys their Drop Pods and Paratroopers
  • Storm flies to Elim City starport
    • VTOLs deploy troops to secure starport and rescue SVTOL/SF
• Turn 1
  • TF1 Victorum arrives in system
    • Flies to Elim City/Field Nav 1/Nav L-W1
  • Automated ARMCO Freighters move to Field Nav 1

[cunning aurora]

Yep. That's the plan spelled out.

[lean berry]

Targeting priority:
Most effective (AP vs Armor) --> no double-targeting --> most dangerous --> closest

[lean berry]

In consecutive rounds of AA fire, yes we have to start worrying about VTOLs being destroyed. But so long as we stay in formation, there aren't more AA than VTOLs, and we aren't so far apart that yet untargeted VTOLs are out of range (which would force AA to go for already targeted VTOLs) we should be good.

[true crescent]

Btw do we have a backup TCO?

[lean berry]

Me

With @heady plaza and @fiery summit as reserve

[cunning aurora]

Speaking of. Any of you want to become primary of the other half if we split?

[lean berry]

I can

I can be TAC-COM for the Ground Detachment if the administrative split goes through.

Since we want 1 HVTOL with each

And all the VTOLs paired with infantry would be in the VTOL Wing

[real minnow]

FYI, Atlas DID pick up another Battlecruiser (+5 LS), and WILL be carrying a small BG.

[lean berry]

Wowza

[lean berry]

That makes, what, 5 BCs in total?

[real minnow]

we're now 2 BC, 1 Cruiser, 1 Dest, 2 LF

[cunning aurora]

Do we?

[lean berry]

Yep, and TF1 had BB, BC x3, iirc

[lean berry]

Yeah, 1 in the VTOL Wing to help move immobile vehicles, 1 in the ground detachment to help reposition the MBTs

[bleak robin]

Ya, I don't think I want to see operation time tables again...

[torpid oriole]

Hopping in here, if you split, the VTOL BG will be able to evac / move so many civs

[true crescent]

Ok so will both parts orders be compiled by the TCO's into a single map or will they be submitted separately

[storm basin]

I think it will be 2 seperate ones submitted at once

[lean berry]

Could go either way

Depending on what's easier

[storm basin]

That is if, we aren’t all on a map

[lean berry]

If we're all mounted, one map would be better

[storm basin]

I mean it as suggested, evacuating civs and the such

[cunning aurora]

We need two separate maps for each parts

[storm basin]

Using 1 map is going to make it far too big

[true crescent]

Ok what i think is that both separate groups have their own orders which are sent to our head TCO who submits them under a combined banner of storm blessed

[storm basin]

Yes, and then it is decided to either be 1 or 2 order maps I guess

Basically the scale of maps are usually done only to allow all the units be seen and their hex tiles

It doesn’t usually show the entire map if it is a big one

[narrow sand]

Do we have something to do with the fighters yet?:

The ones camping out near the gate

[real minnow]

question unanswered, but I'll ask in my report to Shack if we can launch our fighters ahead with you (I'm guessing no though).

[cunning aurora]

Can't split your TF

[real minnow]

yea, that's what I'm anticipating the answer will be

[true crescent]

Ok so we have nothing we can do against the fighter

[real minnow]

maybe the AA tank can fire while being carried?

[cunning aurora]

No it can't

[true crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-14390726165144583214

[lean berry]

By the way, @heady plaza some minor naming suggestions to your proposal

[narrow sand]

Could one transfer to BG3, then join up with TF2

Like

They would be part of BG3

Thats totally allowed right?

[cunning aurora]

They could join us permanently, but not temporarily. If they join, they're stuck with us

[narrow sand]

Well, once its at the tactical level, they could join them physically, while still being organizationally part of us

[upbeat lily]

Would be considered a sortie and would cost LS if they went with us .

[narrow sand]

Besides, we really could use a fighter escort regardless

[cunning aurora]

Only if we're always on the exact same tactical maps.

[narrow sand]

Ah ok

What about a permanent fighter escort?

Wait

If anyone has rq left, vtols can pick up aa missile pods

[heady plaza]

If we're on the same Tac-map, we might as well just submit one - Shack doesn't need to read 2 identical plans.

[upbeat lily]

Probably not many vets to make the purchase in this BG xD

[narrow sand]

Ok sorry

[heady plaza]

Yeah, I threw that together in like 10 minutes and didn't want to think too hard - recycled the icons.

[narrow sand]

Ughhh

Any chance of getting one from another unit?

[cunning aurora]

Do you have AA missiles on another unit?

[narrow sand]

Someone with spare req that can buy an aa vtol

[heady plaza]

Don't think any VTOLs took AA at all.

[cunning aurora]

Also VTOL AA is 2 req, not 1

[upbeat lily]

Would someone want to use req on an AA missle? Since its only a one time fire weapon

[narrow sand]

Thats ok

[narrow sand]

Its quite worth it

[upbeat lily]

Compared to drop smoke or d4 mg

[cunning aurora]

Just saying it's twice the investment compared to 1 req

[narrow sand]

True

But we could ask if anyone has the req

[cunning aurora]

No one in the BG has 2 spare req

[narrow sand]

Ah, glad we can check atleast

@mortal owl sorry for the ping, i see you have the necessary req and no current units for this campaign. Any chance of joining up with us?

[cunning aurora]

@narrow sand Knock it off. Absolutely do not ping people and ask them to buy stuff

Absolutely unacceptable and explicitly forbidden by Shack, so stop

[storm basin]

Also the guy doesn’t even own a bloody unit tbh

Asking him to spend 2 req when for all we know he may want a bloody HAT is rude

[real crest]

#meta-comm message

taps the pins

[storm basin]

The guy isn’t new, but same point yeah

[real crest]

I get where your coming from but he can play whatever he want. I'd argue it's okay to ping ol' veterans to say "hey new campaign wanna join up in whatever" but specifically telling them what to do... No bueno. :s

[narrow sand]

Ok i will not do so, sorry again to toaster for the ping

[cunning aurora]

Alright, let's move on.

[narrow sand]

Got it

[storm basin]

All we can do is suggest and market our BG as said by French

[real crest]

Yep, so how's the splitting vote/splitting idea going ?

[cunning aurora]

#1382040199797801031 message Close to but not at 50%.

[storm basin]

It’s highly likely we’re going to split into aerospace and ground assets

[lean berry]

20/38 is a majority, so we'll have to wait and see

Afk for ~30 minutes. Ping @lean berry if you need anything.

[weary apex]

ok, thy. I was not seeing everything, that sounds better than I tought

[heady plaza]

We have 20 Votes for Yes already. (Majority).

I'll keep it open until <t:1750258800> (36hr mark) - if the number of Against votes is extremely large, we'll have to discuss a bit more.

[vast lodge]

And then another vote and maybe another vote after that after we have a vote on whether to have a another vote

[narrow sand]

You know

I feel like there are suspiciously few enemies

[cunning aurora]

I think a big idea is that it's supposed to rank up throughout. It shouldn't be a gauntlet run to get deployed

[narrow sand]

Makes sense

And i totally agree

I just know we are going to get 5-10BG/TF dropped on us from the gate halfway through the campaign

[vast lodge]

I think it a small elite force using shock and awe to take as much ground and resources to set up production for the main force is my guess

[hollow canopy]

:o

[heady plaza]

Shack's not trying to make us automatically fail the mission.

Will he bail us out if we are idiots? Only to a limited extent.

[narrow sand]

Agreed

[frank ore]

i think we might also get a bit more leniency since so many battlegroups ability to play the game rely on our ability to take the spaceport but i still wouldn't count on it and especially not after we complete that mission.

[cunning aurora]

Did you forget the waiver we had to sign?

[narrow sand]

Which is one of the two unrealistic elements we use for gameplay

The other being the lack or a metric fuckton of drones

Those are both to create the sort of battle tech "cold war battles in space" setting and tone

[mortal owl]

Yeah, uh I’m rebuilding my engineers from campaign two, so I will be using my req for myself. I will let you know if anything changes though

[narrow sand]

No worries sorry about that

Did not know it was against the rules

[narrow sand]

Did they die last campaign?

[mortal owl]

Nah obligations to my education removed my ability to play afterwards

They’re old so they got nuked by updates

Also running the forgotten operation that time, takes it out of you

[storm basin]

I don’t think everyone signed it

Someone find the waiver and make Shack pin it

[hollow canopy]

It is pinned. And by being in this Battlegroup, you already signed it implicitly.

[vast lodge]

The first is pinned the second wasn’t but that was for only 2 people

[storm basin]

Oh I’m blind

No it’s me,

[hollow canopy]

The second one was just for the Special Forces units.

[storm basin]

I know

I saw them sign it

But it still isn’t signed by everyone… yet

We have like 36 ppl only 23 signed

[hollow canopy]

By being in this Battlegroup, you've implicitly signed the Waiver anyway. =v=

[storm basin]

;w; I wish I knew that before I signed the fake waiver

But anyhow, the props of being a support asset, I am always in the rear when on the ground

toaster, ignore the ping

[lean berry]

38

[storm basin]

It was done by a fool who didn’t realise rules

So, apologies for interrupting whatever ya were doing, even though I didn’t ping

[mortal owl]

I’ll be honest too I got accidentally followed here, needed to look at what’s going on before joining a battlegroup, fixed it now

[narrow sand]

What waiver is this?

[storm basin]

Dis it is in pins

[narrow sand]

This?

[storm basin]

yup

[narrow sand]

Oh ok this yes

[storm basin]

That’s the waiver everyone should sign

It’s just a notice saying, you may die more

Since, we have absolutely 0 vision when in the air

Btw that’s discounting other statistics we don’t know

[narrow sand]

Which should be fine, but is a concern

I hope we lose only 1 or 2 vtols during the first week of operations

[storm basin]

I mean… we should hopefully not lose any

[narrow sand]

There is a fighter and a frigate in the way

[storm basin]

A fighter can’t kill us in 1 turn

Also we’re rushing the station, not the city

[narrow sand]

Oh good

[storm basin]

Actual plan, so far

[narrow sand]

I guess we will have atlas support

Should be fine then

[lean berry]

Note with this plan that we can bump things up a turn and meet with TF3 instead of TF2

[storm basin]

Yeah that’s expected

[little grail]

My only worry is if a an assault starts before we are ready. We aren't prepared to sign in, especially if aerospace makes contact with us at Lussan Gate.

[storm basin]

That’s a valid concern

[narrow sand]

This looks good

[chrome knoll]

#1382040199797801031 message <- vote here
i think we have a majority vote for splitting now (20/38 for majority last i rmb)

[little grail]

I know we want to help as many as possible, but just like with D Day, we need overwhelming firewpower

[narrow sand]

Current plan will have us and atlas, i think the plan does not require an adjustment

Fluffle will presumably reinforce atlas or victorium

[narrow sand]

outdated, the rabbit transports they are currently in dont have the capacity to board vtol

[heady plaza]

18 hours before I'll close this.

[cunning aurora]

Alright looks like we can't do my plan as I intended. If enemies are present then a tactical map will be there

a tactical map means the node takes longer to cross, since we need to cross the whole thing.

[uneven igloo]

Ello just popping in

[cunning aurora]

we likely wouldn't be able to outrun the fighters on the map before leaving, or if we leave they can follow and harass us

[uneven igloo]

Are you still doing your hot drop?

[cunning aurora]

Yes

But not unassisted

we're going with Atlas, their support and ODTs

[real crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsqmU3v0hVA

Sorry, I just couldn't keep it in.

[cunning aurora]

to be fair I didn't see you call it
so I'll be providing no kudos

[real crest]

Damn.

let me find the message then 👀

[uneven igloo]

yer gonna die!

[cunning aurora]

Die from ground troops? We can accept that

being picked apart from Fighters we can't shoot at, not so much

[uneven igloo]

Yeah your going to need one hell of a escort to pull it off

[cunning aurora]

Well Victorum isn't going to Elim, so Atlas will do 😄

[real crest]

#1383066706724913293 message

Frenchboi [Iron Hammer TAC-COM]
— Hier à 12:37
I doubt Shack will let you Storm go scot-free if there are indeed ennemies in there
I expect the classic "Can you put your units here on the map ? Just to see y'know" and then WAM ennemies come in.
But that's expectation and speculation, not facts

Can I get kudos now ? 🥺

[cunning aurora]

why the hell would I read your BG chat?!?!

[real crest]

I DONT KNOW WHY DONT YOU? WE HAVE LOTS OF FUN THERE !!!

[frosty fulcrum]

I read their BG chat!

[real crest]

On that note, Atlas might have a secret surprise called "Iron Hammer" or "Pathfinders" with 'em 👀

[cunning aurora]

They landing you or what?

[real crest]

Might if we keep it under 20 units.

That explains it better.

[cunning aurora]

Might actually be more than 1 turn

If the gate isn't cleared of hostiles then it can take a long while to get out of there

[lean berry]

We could go with Fluffle. They'll arrive one turn earlier, have more aerospace, and are better armed.

[cunning aurora]

They have 1 fighter, 1 HMG, 1 Autocannon

that's not a lot

[narrow sand]

yeah, atlas is the correct choice

dont get pilot disease

[cunning aurora]

?

[narrow sand]

ah inside joke for another group I am in

[lean berry]

Simm (Ants, TripleS Captain) [Light Carrier] is aiming to transfer to TF3

[narrow sand]

basically, mech pilot disease (or fighter pilot disease, in the case of ace combat characters) is a form of hubris where you hate opportunity cost and cant stop taking risk to get just a little bit more done

[lean berry]

Pending the last of their crew agreeing

[narrow sand]

its like the in combat version of taking all the groceries in one go and breaking a carton of eggs as a result

many such cases

[cunning aurora]

👀 no idea what you're talking

[narrow sand]

a little bit of mech pilot disease is great on the tactical level

rabbits has it

so do we

some members of venator do too

[cunning aurora]

Venator is the anvil we can all hammer into, it's gonna be great

[narrow sand]

agreed

great centerpiece

ram straight into path of most resistance

[true crescent]

Alright so if we are arriving with atlas that puts us entering the map at turn -3?

[narrow sand]

correct

it sucks, but we will have to skip turn -5 and -4

[true crescent]

I'd rather skip then get obliterated by fighters we can't hurt

[narrow sand]

howhever, it does mean that we might be able to argue to make those turns shorter in terms of irl time

[narrow sand]

agreed

[true crescent]

We would be skipping a whole turn because the first TS doesn't arrive till turn -4

[narrow sand]

perfect

means everyone else can get on the action sooner

which they will appreciate

[heady plaza]

Ah you mean get-there-itis?

It commonly affects aviators, but also affects mariners.

[lean berry]

Y'all might need to check your math

The earliest we can arrive is Turn -4

The earliest TF3 can arrive is Turn -2

The earliest TF2 can arrive is Turn -1

[cunning aurora]

We've scrapped that plan

[lean berry]

TF1 and everyone else arrives Turn 1

Oh I know

I'm just using the turns on it for reference

[cunning aurora]

I mean everything we posted there was on time?

[lean berry]

-# in this accounting of turns, there's no turn 0

[cunning aurora]

not including 0 isn't that out there

[narrow sand]

Oh you have a name for this too?

I assume it is a thing irl as well

The name comes from a 2 year, ongoing cyberpunk mech campain

[heady plaza]

It's known IRL as plan continuation bias (AKA get-there-itis).

You make a plan, and you don't change it even if the conditions change.

[narrow sand]

We got one megacorp down, 8 to go so far

Good progress

Unfortunately we recently got captured

[narrow sand]

Just find a way to make it happen, yeah

[high lily]

Do you guys have any plans on boarding enemy orbital's with your Vtols since most of them have deployable crew anyways?

[cunning aurora]

do we have plans?

no we have no plans

[high lily]

It would be kind of cool if you guys just took over enemy orbital above Elim City lol

[hollow canopy]

We have no idea if we can even enter the Orbitals, let alone how boarding works.

[high lily]

It's kind of exposed right now honestly

As far as the Intel report goes

[hollow canopy]

I assume it's a large brick of wires and computers, so there probably won't be corridors, only like, assembly lines or the such.

[high lily]

Damn

[cunning aurora]

i don't think we'll gain much from trying to board the ship

[high lily]

That makes sense, you guys don't have anything to deploy anyways

[cunning aurora]

we could send a bunch of VTOLs to shoot it, but I don't think anyone wants to board it

[cunning aurora]

?

[high lily]

I'm pretty sure it's a dropship like ODTs or power armor pods

And you guys don't have that so it would be worthless

Unless it has like guns on it

[cunning aurora]

yeah we have no interest in commandeering a bot orbital

it would only slow us down

[high lily]

Oh yeah fair enough

You could just kill everything there and leave it. I'm not sure how effective the VTOLs guns are at destroying orbitals so I was just trying to come up with other options for you guys.

[cunning aurora]

Any gun is effective when you're shooting 20 of them

[heady plaza]

VTOLs are like bees with their d2 guns - ineffective with only 1, but terrifying in swarms.

(Unless you have Armor 2+ or Defense 2+. We can't attack entrenched positions or MBTs or anything evasive or air units. And they still complain VTOLs are OP).

[cunning aurora]

Gonna be interesting to see the stats on the bots

Recon said they're tougher than normal

I wonder if it's just PAI or their default

[hollow canopy]

If I had to guess, generic Infantry with +1 Armor. But that's just speculation. =v=

[high lily]

I'm kinda afraid of that because you can say that about light vehicles and mechs because with our skimish ability we have 1d4-2 so we are in a similar boat as VTOLs.

I'm worried though because I have a feeling that bot units are just as a whole going to have more armor.

[hexed prawn]

Gonna wish I took autocannon instead of armor pretty soon I imagine, oh well

[lean berry]

Or they could be FS/Hits like our PAI

[cunning aurora]

After reviewing the images our recons report. It looks like they're all squads of 3. My bet is on PAI

[heady plaza]

happy we have 1 MBT and 1 AA gun with some AP capability

[hollow canopy]

Well, our Infantry could volume of fire the PAIs, right?

[high lily]

I just took it because it's my main in HD2

[cunning aurora]

VTOLs can >:)

It's probably their forward force. Shack took a slice off of trench and made PAI Drop Troops

[hollow canopy]

I'mma operate under the assumption that our VTOLs are gonna go fight an Orbital and/or evacuate people while I'm fighting a group of Automatons, so... =v=

[cunning aurora]

PAI have very low damage output. Their only advantage is surviving a certain amount of attacks. But we have volume of fire

[hollow canopy]

Ya, so that would ironically put us at an advantage.

[lean berry]

Good thing this is just their forward force

[hollow canopy]

Let's hope it's easy then, because I'd hate to see their main force.

[cunning aurora]

Pound for pound PAI can have an advantage, but you can always bring more expendables infantry

[hollow canopy]

:D Oorah!

[cunning aurora]

I think Shack will have a rude awakening when it comes to PAI. They're really weak without a heavy weapon

[heady plaza]

Infantry may be expendable, but they are not disposable.

You are not permitted to die until we have extracted maximum value from your life and your death.

[heady plaza]

promptly gets hit with heavy weapon PAI just for that comment

[cunning aurora]

[CHARON-01 // “Overwatch Actual”]
Holding Pattern, Alt-Space Gate Vector | Lumara Orbit Inbound

We got our recon.

Elim City’s marked, spaceport confirmed. Terrain’s rough—tight urban sprawl bordered by fractured industrial zones—but it’s workable. A far cry from the blind drop we were prepping for two days ago.

Problem is, we’re still in orbit.

The gate’s hot. Enemy interceptors sweeping low-orbit lanes, too fast for our turrets and too agile for our tracking suites. Our VTOLs don’t stand a chance trying to punch through without cover. That’s fine. Normally, we’d roll with a fighter screen, carve a path, and drop like thunder.

But the pure fighter battlegroup? Never happened.

Blocked at the planning stage. “Too hard to coordinate independently,” they said. Fighters had to be leashed to orbitals. So now we’re stuck waiting on Taskforce Atlas to crawl into position, dragging their escort package behind them like a rusted anchor. They’ve got the guns, sure—but they don’t move like we do. And every delay stacks higher while our people sit dirt-side, stretched thin and hoping we didn’t forget them.

We could’ve been down there already. If they’d let us run this our way.

Still… it’s not all bad.

Atlas may be slow, but they’re not empty. They’ve got drop troops prepped—orbital shock teams, trained to punch in fast and hard. When we go, we’re not going alone. That matters. Storm Blessed will be the first birds in, but knowing there’s another force hitting the ground alongside us?

I’ll take that.

At least we’re not sending our squads into the dark without backup. Now we just need the green light.

And a little room to fall.

[narrow sand]

The main force is venator's job

Things will get real ugly real quick if/once we lose orbital superiority

[cunning aurora]

That's Victorum's Job

[narrow sand]

Praying on victorium's success when the inevitable second wave comes

We really should have an all plane group

[cunning aurora]

Blocked by the paper pushers from above

[frank ore]

Tbf I still don't understand that, why can't we have an air wing?

[narrow sand]

Air wings need supply

[heady plaza]

Rules to prevent Shack from having to track 30 aerial units on a single tac-map in all possible position.

And they also need supply, so we can't let them join us.

[frank ore]

Oh I know why they can't be in our bg, but 30 air units vs 30 vtols dosent seem that different

[heady plaza]

We circumvent that rule since we have ground units attached to our VTOL wing.

[hollow canopy]

I had bread roll. =v= Am ready to fight robots

[narrow sand]

Unfortunately the world is cruel, and so we must wait

[hollow canopy]

At least I'm not being shot at and/or shelled though! :D

[lean berry]

True

[heady plaza]

~12 hours remaining!

[heady plaza]

Formatting so far...

[Adjutant EverClear // “SEAGULL-ACTUAL”]
Alt Space. Aboard VTOL Playtime T13C “Lucky 13” | Lumara Contract, T-4 days to arrival.

[untold pine]

Alright, what have I missed

[heady plaza]

#1382040199797801031 message

[untold pine]

Thank you

[kind oyster]

Are we supposed to add what Group we are supposed to be in on our name?

Or it's just something that just happened so?

[untold pine]

I don’t think it’s needed, I think it just happened

[heady plaza]

Just happened. It usually makes it easier to figure out who's in what battle group at a glance but it's not required.

[kind oyster]

Oh copy

[real minnow]

This was our guess too.

One of the main reasons I've been pushing bringing Iron Hammer along is that they've got heavy vehicles. When Atlas arrives, there'll be another MBT, 2 IFVs, and a Light Mech alongside their own VTOLs and a good spread of Infantry and support. With our combined ground forces, we can take the spaceport, and maybe the whole city back.

And reinforcements won't be far behind

We got a LOT of AP we can bring to the party 🙂

[woeful pulsar]

I was ghost pinged in there. So hello, and goodbye :p

[steady stream]

Cya

Is there anything I need to catch up on?

[heady plaza]

Did you fill out the poll?

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[steady stream]

Yeha

[thorn olive]

You guys interested in an IFV?

[storm basin]

No space sadly, and not really

No offence, but an IFV kinda makes no sense when our transports are VTOLs
Btw I mean no space as we don’t have a HVTOL for ya

[thorn olive]

That makes sense. I was told this was the spiritual successor to Blackout, so figured I'd see if joining was possible

[storm basin]

That’s fine

I think plenty of BGs would be willing to have you

[woeful pulsar]

Isn't there a logi focused bg forming? I'm sure they'd love an ifv

[storm basin]

Oh yeah those peeps

[real minnow]

Iron Hammer still has room too

[storm basin]

I mean others such as Iron Hammer, Pathfinder and maybe some earlier BGs would also be dying for more transports

[lean berry]

I'm not certain IFVs are great for the proposed backline Logi group

Their strength lies in being at the frontline transporting and protecting infantry

[storm basin]

And mobility ofc

[frosty fulcrum]

I believe 212 is mostly airlift-focused

[storm basin]

Yeah it is, just checked

[woeful pulsar]

Hmm I guess if they no infantry escort, then there's no point. My bad

[storm basin]

They have 2 HATs and a mix of VTOLs and HVTOLs

and 2 mechs for the sake of rules

plus supplies

[frosty fulcrum]

The mechs are for their sick dance parties

[heady plaza]

And in case of ambush.

I'm closing this in ~15 minutes, if you haven't voted, VOTE.

[heady plaza]

@fiery summit Would you be willing to go with the ground forces since you have the drop smoke and be 2'TCO for them?

[real crest]

Guess it's official.

Don't make this stormchaser 2. I beg on my hands and knees.

[heady plaza]

What happened, anyways?

[slow hazel]

Just let it happen and see how it goes😆

[lean berry]

@hollow canopy @weary apex @storm basin @feral yoke what were/are your concerns/reasons for not wanting the administrative split?

The tldr is that nothing would change 70-90% of the time. We'd still be moving quickly from one battle to another. We'd still operate on the VTOL-ground unit pairings in the doc. VTOLs would still drop off units and then run CAS.

This would mainly give us an option should the need arise for the VTOL Wing (which wouldn't be all the VTOLs) to move to another strategic point to resupply/evac civilians/perform Search-And-Rescue.

Plus, all of that would be assuming the ground detachment was in defensible position which they would have been holding for a few turns anyways.
The VTOL Wing wouldn't be abandoning the the Ground Detachment or leave them stranded.

[storm basin]

It’s more of my fear that an event could happen which purposely splits different units on a tile/mid transit.
Alongside other possible things

Btw units as BGs/TFs

[real crest]

Uhhhhhmmmmmmm...

[real crest]

If that doesn't portray how hard this was to coordinate and organize, I don't know what will.

But I wish you guys the best of luck, just keep aware of the past, keep safe, and keep being jolly and kind and nice to each other. ❤️

[heady plaza]

If everyone's loaded in, unless a freak event blows away out units, we should be fine - even old Arty rules would be fine, since they only move 0.5 hexes.

[lean berry]

If we get "intercepted" mid-transit, we are either all stuck on the tactical map we came from our are going to

[slow hazel]

You guys have got this. Get it figured out and be ready for your first turns

[real crest]

There was also in C3 the stormchaser OPs thought of airdropping right ontop of the military base
Sadly, there was 5-6 AA, and multiple HATs were shot down with a lot of people in them.
Hindsight is 20/20, it's easier to see now with the future ahead, but keep safe guys. Air units need that.

[storm basin]

I didn’t mean intercepted

[real crest]

Yeah !

[storm basin]

I meant… unforeseen events as suggested by EverClear

[lean berry]

Storm Blessed - Air/Ground (🌩️ - Air/Ground, respectively)

[cunning aurora]

Where's the diagram outlining the split BG?

[storm basin]

Somewhere…

[cunning aurora]

Yeah I don't think we should name ourselves differently. It's just Air/Ground detatchment

I don't think we need to bring a medic with on to the transport wing

If we pick up any wounded people we can just bring them to the medics

[heady plaza]

Even with the "pushback" mechanic, it's unlikely to be able to happen that severly - If there's 20+ Arty units, it's going to be a bad day no matter what.

[cunning aurora]

They should stay on the frontline with the infantry where they can heal them

Overall the transport wing should be very lean in terms of who/what we're transporting

Maybe bring 1 engineer, so they can do objective stuff and repair the odd vehicle on the move, but I don't think we need to bring 2/3

engineers can do lots of stuff outside of repairing vehicles, so taking them off the frontline is a disservice to their capabilities

[lean berry]

There should be 1 HVTOL with each BG-Detachment

The SVTOL/SF could go with either group

[cunning aurora]

I like that the Medevac is staying with the infantry though

well we'd have problem then

we need 1 more, we'd need to take either of the engineer's or medic's VTOL

probably engineer? they don't need to move as reliably

[heady plaza]

Does this work?

[lean berry]

For sure

[cunning aurora]

Still one short

[lean berry]

This also for the Air Detachment

[heady plaza]

21 to 17, it's within legal BG limits?

[cunning aurora]

? how you're getting those numbers?

[heady plaza]

SF with air?
That would make it 19:19...

[heady plaza]

Counting up the number of units I assigned each?

[cunning aurora]

nvm, i'm an idiot

[lean berry]

Also, I do think we'll want two Engineers with the Air Detachment

[cunning aurora]

Didn't see the Support Flight wing

Why? Interested to hear your reasoning

[lean berry]

Having two Engineers for 2 MBTs + 1-4 Support VTOLs in Ground is excessive compared to 1 Engineer for 12-15 VTOLs in Air

[cunning aurora]

Remember engineers are not just repair bots

plus if we're moving the vtols seperately it won't be into a combat zone

Engineers can also construct:
Sandbag Lines
Trenches
Razor Wire
Tank Traps
Bridges

[heady plaza]

Engi's can also make defensive emplacements, so... They are useful for both.

If we are taking the Wing out to another location, we are resupplying, and BG9 (SHOVELS) has agreed to helping repair us if needed.

[cunning aurora]

Yeah, I think we bring 1 engineer, because we have to bring 1 ground unit

but no more

engineer is also the most useful to bring I think because they can also carry supply

[true crescent]

Well we have 3 engineers to choose from

[cunning aurora]

I hope one of the volunteers 😄

[true crescent]

I mean I can ride along

Although my upgrade is a minefield so it might not be super useful

[cunning aurora]

Well there we go

You'll almost definitely have time to use it

[lean berry]

Assuming this Detachment structure is amenable to the majority

[true crescent]

Alright then I guess I'll be attached to the VTOL wing

[cunning aurora]

Who were our two medivac VTOLs? I remember people talking about being excited to do that

[lean berry]

I think not Soviet Cat for Air

@little grail was one who wanted to be Medivac

[cunning aurora]

he's the medic, not the vtol

he doesn't get a choice which BG he's in 😛

[true crescent]

I'm fine with whatever really

[cunning aurora]

why not? He's an engie, we need to bring an engie

[lean berry]

But that's just me. Anti-Infantry Minefield seems more useful with Ground, but also, splitting shouldn't happen often if at all

[heady plaza]

Anti-Inf is better to stay with ground IMO.

@storm basin @edgy ember What upgrades do you two have?

[true crescent]

Lookin at the signup doc they both have nothing

[cunning aurora]

It uses 2 supply. If he's used it he's gonna be empty anyways. And he's likely to have used his supply up compared to other units

[heady plaza]

Hm. True, more supply efficient.

[lean berry]

This is not my call anyways. If the majority like our Adjutant's second Detachment proposal, it will be up to the Engineers to decide where they go

[storm basin]

Literally nothing

[real crest]

...probably a good idea to preshot shack going
"so you guys are an air-only squadron, but you have ONE ground unit ?
-yes
-you're gonna need more grounds units then that"

I mean if he doesn't, sweet stuff

If he does, prepare for the eventuality of it.

[cunning aurora]

@strange sigil You're one of the VTOLs assigned to a medic. Would you prefer to stay with the ground bat or air bat?

[cunning aurora]

If he does, literally nothing changes in our current organizational structure so...

[real crest]

neat.

[heady plaza]

I mean, he strongly suggested to be independent for Logi/Groound

And nothing changes, because we'll be together anyways-

[storm basin]

Just saying you can always check for upgrades with /company show

[cunning aurora]

I'm pretty sure his reasoning is because of Fighters/Bombers rather than VTOLs. I think we'll be fine

[heady plaza]

Yeah - both of you have rec, which is why I'm checking.

[cunning aurora]

So @lean berry You'll be the HVTOL staying with the ground troops then?

[little grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300674732890259477/1310533227584159856/Horse.gif

[cunning aurora]

nvm, just read your namechange

[lean berry]

😆

[little grail]

What are we talking about?

[lean berry]

This

[storm basin]

The divison of the BG, basically

[lean berry]

Vs this

[fiery summit]

Works for me. Might need help with first round cause I’m in the UK rn. I’ll be able to have more once I’m back (24th) but other than that I’m golden.

[heady plaza]

Sounds good! I'll move you around on the sheet.

[cunning aurora]

You're just backup. You're getting pinged if Honid doesn't do his stuff 😛

[little grail]

Oh, we are splitting?

[fiery summit]

Wonderful!!

[cunning aurora]

So EverClear you're my backup?

[cunning aurora]

We voted, that's the result

[lean berry]

The first round will be us going through the Lussan Gate strategic point with TF2 Atlas

[heady plaza]

Yup!

[cunning aurora]

We're gonna keep 1 comms channel. Seperate order ones though.

[little grail]

Ballin!

I'd absolutely love to do medevac. I know one of my other counterparts was really looking forward to ground work, so if we gotta shuffle we gotta shuffle. My VTOL, TAXI, seemed receptive to being an air ambulance early on

[lean berry]

Just remember to only move around on the main roster page, as well the other ones reference it (in case you didn't know)

[cunning aurora]

I think we're likely to keep all the Medic/VTOL combos alive. Engineer is less reliant on transportation so they're losing their VTOL 😄

[lean berry]

Except Soviet Cat

[cunning aurora]

we have 3 engineers
1 is going with Air (Soviet)
1 is losing their VTOL
1 keeps their VTOL

[heady plaza]

Only Air would keep their VTOL. Otherwise attached to Armored. (#1382040199797801031 message)

[lean berry]

-# assuming we go with that structure

[cunning aurora]

yeah we don't 100% need that structure

we're at 17 in Air. We could lose up to 2 VTOLs

[heady plaza]

True...

[exotic lion]

I still think shack would want more than just 1 unit in the air group as it does feel like trying to skirt around the rule, ill happily be the medic in air if thats what we do

[little grail]

Once the infantry is on the ground at becomes less important who is with who, and more important than we retain the capacity to retrieve them.

[cunning aurora]

That's true

That's why I'd rather keep more with the ground units

allows them to reposition out of difficult situations

[heady plaza]

Give 1 ENGI, 1 Medic a ride.
23:15

[little grail]

Is the intent that the support infantry will be on the ground, or will they remain airborne until called?

[vast lodge]

So how goes the divorce paperwork

[heady plaza]

considers

Probably depends on the situation and how we're deployed, honestly.

SF is probably on the ground fighting somewhere, the Medics might already be healing.

The ENGI is the only one I don't see starting on the ground.

[heady plaza]

We filed for divorce and cohabitation.

[little grail]

It's more like ground snores too loud so we sleep in different bedrooms.

[lean berry]

I think this is a good point.

[little grail]

I do think that there should be a medic whose primary tasking is rhe ground assault force.

Air superiority will initially be tenuous at best on initial insertion, we want someone on the ground.

[heady plaza]

@tawny pecan could I get this channel renamed to BG 3 & 13, please?

(Ignore the following messages, I did get permission for BG13 as linked:)
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[storm basin]

14

[slow hazel]

13 is already taken…

[lean berry]

Also, the more Engineers/Medics/VTOLs are with Air, the more we get from resupplying. Something to consider

[storm basin]

13 is 212th

[cunning aurora]

can't even get 13

[heady plaza]

No, no, 13 is right. We got 13 from 212th.

[slow hazel]

Oh nvm then

[cunning aurora]

huh?

[storm basin]

Ya sure? they are still called dat

[real crest]

Confirm, Autodave has approoved and asked their bg comms to be renamed "14"

[lean berry]

Not the unused 10?

[cunning aurora]

https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1384286773068435587 <- This still says 13 though

[little grail]

Oh, so 212th took 14

[storm basin]

I just saw

It’s hard when ya focusing on 2 things

[heady plaza]

Trench isn't online yet, sadly.

[cunning aurora]

what ever will we do

picnic everyone

[real crest]

I guess not.

[heady plaza]

PsyOp, remember? Want the bots to think that we have another BG landing at Cell'Dar.

[little grail]

I know Omniade was looking for the ground fit.

[storm basin]

My man, I don’t think the bots are hacking our comms to know our battlegroup’s number

[heady plaza]

... That's the running joke about 10, since they don't have a sheet/doc-

[storm basin]

I am Alpharius

[real crest]

since the bg got cancelled* is more accurate

[little grail]

So check it, what if we did 1 medic on ground assault, one medic on ground support for rapid reaction, and one on air for air ambulance/rescue?

[heady plaza]

That would be 21:17

[little grail]

Im so sorry, I'm not following the ratio

[heady plaza]

(21 in Ground BG, 17 in Air BG)

[exotic lion]

also, have we confirmed that being 2 separate BGs still allows us to deploy together at the same time at turn -4 or whenever?

[little grail]

Gotcha, are we looking for a specific ratio then?

[heady plaza]

Well, we still all fit, and we declare we have the other as cargo, so, it's fine.

[vast lodge]

A question it probably will not matter but would it make more sense for me to join the vtol section in case you guys need ground spotting?

[heady plaza]

As long as both have at least 15, it's fine.

[heady plaza]

VTOL Wing shouldn't be going ahead, we'd be leaving only for resupply and maybe the occasional transport/evac request.

[little grail]

No I am Alpharius

[storm basin]

HYDRA DOMINATUS

[mossy cloak]

Does your split mean you will now accept fighters?

[storm basin]

We don’t want to rely on what your ilk call airfields

[heady plaza]

considers

[storm basin]

(I don’t have Tig’s thing)

[mossy cloak]

I don't call it that. I call it my passion project /jk

[heady plaza]

Syntax has a point - if the fighters join the Air group, we could take on fighters -- but then we'd have to rearm every other round, and they'd only soak up shots for like 10 rounds before the airfield is setup...

However, I'd say that we should probably make sure the 212th get formed first.

... but opportunity cost of possibly being able to fight through Lussan Gate without the orbitals...

[vast lodge]

Even without the no airfields not sure one fighter would actually help much so it would need to be a few which I’m not sure we can get

[woeful pulsar]

Hey storm 🙂 just a quick pop in, are you guys planning to drop out of the gate asap, or to wait for a task force to come with? Or is the discussion still ongoing?

[cunning aurora]

Wait for TF2

[woeful pulsar]

Ho. Hmm just in case, Tf3 is a thing now, is one speed faster, and has 4 fighters and 2 bombers.

[cunning aurora]

We'll consider that...

We were worried TF3 wouldn't be able to properly screen :/

[vast lodge]

I mean if they go through first we might as well go with them

[woeful pulsar]

Atlas is down to three fighters because of the switch

[heady plaza]

... Coud you guys please update your spreadsheet on the Logi Hub? It shows you guys having 1 fighter and not yet legal.

[woeful pulsar]

their aircraft carrier (me) moved over to fluffle to make them exist (and also because it made more sense)

[woeful pulsar]

I'll look into it! The change just happened 🙂 I'm just bringing the freshest of news

[heady plaza]

Yeah, ATLAS just lost it's screening capability if the TripleS moves.

Fluffle would be the better group - less actual orbitals, but we have a screening crew.

[strange sigil]

Air bat just so I can support other battlegroups and evac civvies and stuff, though if its more convenient for you guys I wouldn't mind being ground bat

[heady plaza]

Moving 1 pair is perfectly fine IMO.

[strange sigil]

Wouldn't mind being an air ambulance still

[cunning aurora]

Well which one? Air Ambulance stays with ground (since all medics are staying with ground)

[strange sigil]

Ohhh I understand now, I'll stay with ground

[cunning aurora]

Also that wasn't really a question anymore. We redid calculations, and all medics are staying with Ground

All VTOLs assigned to medics are with ground

1 Engie-assigned VTOL is staying with ground

1 HVTOL and the SVTOL are staying with ground

The rest (All Infantry-VTOLs, 1 Engie VTOL, 1 HVTOL) are going with Air

[strange sigil]

👍

[heady plaza]

Here's the current one.

[cunning aurora]

Can you put names to that one?

[heady plaza]

(The reason I didn't the first time around was way to much work with the editor - I'll need at least an hour, but I have something, so... maybe tonight in about 8 hours.)

Website: https://spatialillusions.com/unitgenerator/
Save file attached if you want to take a crack at it before I'm back.

[narrow sand]

Do we have any ground and air detachment names?

I still vote for windrunners and skybreakers for the theme

[heady plaza]

VOTE!

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[cunning aurora]

I feel like this channel is a good representation as to why direct democracy is flawed

[hexed prawn]

I’m gonna steal that tool lol

[heady plaza]

I actually got that from BG5.

[lean berry]

I'm assuming by "direct democracy" you can "pure democracy" or democracy and nothing else

[hexed prawn]

Also can I suggest one thing I know it’s already on the vote but my units callsign is Thunder and its name is Lightning, lol

Don’t think it’ll really cause any confusion but just something to note

[cunning aurora]

I mean Direct Democracy is comparison to a representative democracy

[lean berry]

Yeah, just Air and Ground makes the most sense.

[slow hazel]

Just get things figured out now and once the campaign starts it should be alright. You defintiely know for next time though😆

[cunning aurora]

Little PoliSci:
Direct Democracy means that every member gets to vote on every issue (what we have here)
Representative Democracy: You vote to elect someone to represent you, who votes on every issue

[hexed prawn]

Don’t suppose I would be allowed to vote on the name hehe

[cunning aurora]

Only super citizens constituents are allowed to vote

[real crest]

Sad times.

But understandable.

[hexed prawn]

I’ll just have to colonize y’all then :P

[storm basin]

Is it a bad time to say I support the automatons?

[cunning aurora]

I remember the creek. I don't need any clanker supporters in my battlegroup

[storm basin]

I mean there’s a hit banger from a pirate radio station
context ->||Not a real pirate radio station||

[heady plaza]

looks at the op we are about to drop into
looks back at our friendly (robot?) engineers

considers
... Kinda?

[storm basin]

Understandable, my team is 3/4 robot

The only non-robot is the commander aka Do’malrion (or Mal for short)

[heady plaza]

attaches ribbons to signify friendly

[cunning aurora]

HE'S MARKED! HE MUST BE IMPORTANT! SHOOT HIM FIRST!

[storm basin]

Don’t worry in RP I’m bulking them up to have massive ARMCO insignia on top of the company logo

Btw this is ‘valid’ to me as engineers lack PA upgrades, so there’s no restraint on me giving them massive-ass armour

[cunning aurora]

massive ass-armor? 👀

[storm basin]

… Oh god

ass as an adjective

[hollow canopy]

:D Am alive

[storm basin]

FREN!

Anyhow, we are now officially dividing the bg

[cunning aurora]

wer're officially going through divorce

I'm keeping the kids VTOLs

[slow hazel]

Alright so then do we have to redo the water meme but with the different halves of Storm now?😝

[cunning aurora]

nah, we're still 1 BG in spirit, just split on paper

we're not getting a separate comms channel

or if they create one, just won't use it

[storm basin]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me3-despicable-me3gi-fs-minion-minions-mob-mentality-gif-19245541

-# Fits the theme

[hollow canopy]

Oh :O

[lean berry]

Poll for naming the two halves

[runic scroll]

so now that yall are getting divorced we should all post recruitment stuff in here, right? /j

[hollow canopy]

=v=“ Ya, get us some more VTOLs!

[tawny pecan]

Nope.

Only because I don't have permissions to manage threads created by other people though

[hollow canopy]

We need the Captain of Captains to do it then? :O

[hexed prawn]

Or Dres

[heady plaza]

Ah. sadge.

[hollow canopy]

Oh, okie =v=

Oh, T13C is a 2iC TAC-COM now? :O

[night blade]

Hey I heard you all have a lot of engineers if you hard working lads (and lassies) are looking for work BG 8 needs engineers we are an armored QRF and we don’t have any engineers and one logy please we need you guys

[hollow canopy]

We need our Engineers too though

[storm basin]

It’s a joke…

[night blade]

But we don’t have any and 50% of our force is armor we will give head pats

[storm basin]

We aren’t actually dividing, it’s just so we get more flexibility

[hollow canopy]

We only have I think 3* Engineers total, and they have roughly 20 vehicles to maintain

[storm basin]

3

But yeah, we have about 22, if Finley lives

[night blade]

Sorry offer still stands I was just nominated as the spokesman I am not the man who wrote the message

[hollow canopy]

Okie :O

[storm basin]

So you’re the diplomatic sacrifice?

[night blade]

Yeah not important enough to spare but eloquent enough to be the messenger

[hollow canopy]

:O like the envoys from Stellaris!

[storm basin]

Yes, but we can execute this one

[real crest]

Go ask Flying Shovels ! They can most certainly spare an engi for you guys

[hollow canopy]

I eat them, personally =v=

[night blade]

Thanks will do

[real crest]

...in what way ?

[storm basin]

They don’t have enough energy to be converted into batteries

[night blade]

Exactly like that

[hollow canopy]

Oh ya, I forgot about them. :O I’ve kinda lost track of the Battlegroups and task forces to be honest. =v=“

[real crest]

Just remember BG10 is the best one.

[lean berry]

I don't know if we'll have any Engineers to spare, but after we secure Elim City Starport, we'll be able to help y'all QRF, including providing some repairs

[night blade]

I appreciate it after we deploy we may need that

[hollow canopy]

Shovels I believe is also offering such services, so you at least have options

[night blade]

I just sent out the message we will see if there are any takers

[lean berry]

Don't forget to vote

[heady plaza]

VOTE!
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An additional "Other" option is SB-Air and SB-Ground.

[storm basin]

Transit
Talking Zle into going for the op was easy, easier than they thought, as although Zle is sentient they held a certain distaste towards these robots who showed vast hostility to any vessel they saw.
The more awkward situation was trying to create a design to avoid being shot with, whilst skimming through the data from the meetings they missed, an idea was sparked with Mal. It seemed brutally simple, yet complex whilst also not breaking any technicalities, just use thicker armour which they can place large insignias on.
The forge, could, would easily make these… the real issue was a suit for themselves, as modifying the sentinels’ armour is simple, whilst making custom armour is harder, especially due to certain characteristics, which made it hard… Other than that, it was the risk of tilting a vehicle off balance, but that could easily be solved by efficient placement and mag locks for their boots/feet.
Now comes the hard part, avoiding troubles within the squadron… This would draw a small sigh as they thought about issues what might be met.

-# Yes more story from me, you can’t stop me

[hollow canopy]

:O Lore

[real crest]

l o r e

[storm basin]

L O R E

Anyhow, I’ll be tossing some more around before Monday

If anyone actually has a desire to compile all our lore posts, you can
-# Just ah… uhhh good luck finding ‘em

[hollow canopy]

:O Consistency would be neat.

[storm basin]

I could, but that spoils the fun

[hollow canopy]

I also could, I use to write and record the adventures me and my party took in some other tabletops. Dunno if that format really works here though

I should figure out how lore posts work =v=

[storm basin]

Second lore post

[heady plaza]

I have been, actually!

[storm basin]

Insane

[hollow canopy]

I like the lore posts =v=

[woeful pulsar]

I also really like these lore posts. I'll be looking forwards to a compilation. They could also be red press material

[little grail]

A couple suggestions:

Tombstone and Outlaw
Talon and Fang

[lean berry]

Just something from Phalanx I found interesting and funny

[hollow canopy]

Rushing Infantry is pretty dangerous… although the Evasive light armor could deal with minor threats…

Looks like it works for what they got, if for some reason getting somewhere is a high priority (Like evac)

[little grail]

That looks like it'd work great in a known environment where we have good intel, but i would caution agsint moving to contact while rushing infantry. All it take sis a few ODST's or a bomber and we're toast back there

Or even just a couple dudes in some trees.

Ask me how I know XD

[hollow canopy]

Let me guess, training op?

[little grail]

Scrimshaw

[hollow canopy]

Oh dear, I read about that

They had trees there? I thought it was like, heat-blasted sand and wreckages

[storm basin]

Pretty sure that’s Handscrabble

Handscrabble was an op where we went to a salvager’s guild base for the mega corp’s… discarded ship, which was being scrapped by the guilders

(Btw it was quite literally a desert world)

[hollow canopy]

Ooooh. You rite

OH! Scrimshaw was the one with the refinery, right?

[little grail]

Yeah, and the dudes in the hills we talked out of finding out

[hollow canopy]

Didn’t see or hear much about it other than the briefing

[storm basin]

Luckily Handscrabble had no loses even though my units had plenty of dust and sand from the job

[hollow canopy]

=v=

[lean berry]

Do you mean Scrap & Scatter?

[storm basin]

That’s the planet

Scrap and Scatter was the operation

[lean berry]

Oh, you mean Hardscrabble, with an "r"

[storm basin]

[ERROR]
¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lean berry]

Yeah, Handscrabble, Hardscrabble... toe-MAY-toe, toe-MAH-toe

[storm basin]

I’m a moron
-# Made of Boron

[lean berry]

@cunning aurora
Looks like we will indeed need to submit Formation(s) with our orders, so we're ahead of schedule

[hollow canopy]

We’re not a Task Force and we already have a formation mapped out though

[real minnow]

FYI:
TF2-Atlas has picked up a Medical Corvette with a VTOL bay.
If your medics are too busy, you can send your overflow to us when we're in the AO.

[narrow sand]

good stuff

[heady plaza]

@cunning aurora I thought it was the other way around- ("Dropship Lucky 13" joke)

[cunning aurora]

We'll settle this the old fashion way

[real minnow]

-# we'd take the odd one out if its a problem

[heady plaza]

🗞️

No poaching-

[real minnow]

ow

[lean berry]

That's rich /s 😅

[heady plaza]

amusement

I mean...

I technically never poached units that were already claimed-

[quiet plaza]

do you have names for your two fragments?

[heady plaza]

Also being voted on.

STORM ONLY: VOTE!

#1382040199797801031 message
#1382040199797801031 message

Great, how do we already have two 2-way ties?-

[quiet plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/reference-captain-america-avengers-understood-gif-7991943

also dang tied. so i can't just choose the winning one for the map atm

[narrow sand]

Too many polls

Just make descisions

[heady plaza]

I'm just arguing for a joke, but that changes things (technically) for everyone, so...

[narrow sand]

0 impact regardless

[heady plaza]

True.

Just trying to get a joke to pass-

[narrow sand]

131 aiborne and 132nd ground forces

That would be fun

Hmmm

Well i aint deciding for you

[little grail]

Oh my lord, we have a hospital ship

[heady plaza]

considers using the top 2 to have each BG have a different motto

[little grail]

I dream of MEDEVACs to a hospital ship.

I have a suggestion I'm working on depending on how the medical system plays out here in Lumara, but it'll have to wait till after.

[narrow sand]

lightning strikes twice, and look to the skies together is great

[upbeat lily]

Though I wonder if the Medical bay will get changed, since the 1fs per turns seems to be hmmm.

[bleak robin]

Para rescue SF upgrade when

[little grail]

Right?!

If y'all are interested I can loop you in to the doc I'm working on to help brainstorm

[edgy ember]

I had nothing, my back pay has come through and I am now trying to decide what upgrade path I want

[edgy ember]

Combat engineers reporting in

[upbeat lily]

excellent, I think your the first combat engineer for ARMCO xD

[edgy ember]

a title I posit I held before the upgrade existed

given my past, I am thinking of becoming a drop ship engineering team

[storm basin]

2nd

Iron hammers also have combat engis

Who owns the doc?

Since we need the person who did the coding to now add combat engineers as a class

[bleak robin]

You know what? Sure, why not.

[lean berry]

On it

-# why am I awake...

[edgy ember]

just to suffer

[little grail]

Brother (or sister), same

[steady stream]

Is there anything i missed?

Im too lazy to go through all of the messages 😭

[storm basin]

Wesmas upgraded to combat engineers

Sorry, refitted

[cunning aurora]

We split the BG into air and ground

[steady stream]

Ok!

[real crest]

Ooooo, you guys got a rare ARMCOmon too !

Combat engineers !

[storm basin]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-catch-em-all-gif-5662253

[real crest]

...i swear I wanna make an ARMCOmon list with rarities now

[feral yoke]

we have a couple rare units, Specops and Heavy VTOLs, combat engineers, specops infantry

[real crest]

Fuck it I'm making ARMCOmon. 🤣

[feral yoke]

of course

isn't armco just brilliant

[cunning aurora]

We also got one of the only AA MBT

[real crest]

ARMCOmon !

It's in Iron Hammer's sheet, the one called "ARMCOmon, gotta catch 'em all !" if anyone's curious.

[storm basin]

Shouldn’t the SHBT be a mythical?
Or at least the rarest, as it’s like the only one of a kind unit we currently have

[cunning aurora]

3 Ultra Rare? We got a good deck

[storm basin]

I just mean it as all the others we can buy as a refit, SHBTs is only locked to 1

-# For now, I dunno if shack will change it

[real crest]

Patch notes are coming, don't worry. I'm working on it, progress will be in #meta-comm.

(or you can watch it live on the sheet, I guess)

[storm basin]

True

[cunning aurora]

Actually I just had a think. Combat Engies are much better than Combat Medics.
Medic's heal is a primar action; which means they can only Attack or Heal.
All of Engie's actions are just actions, which means their primary is unused. They can attack and repair on the same turn.

[storm basin]

Yup

It’s also useful as it ensures that combat engineers can never truly be at risk, if they are on the front

As they provide assistance to kill/wound enemy units

[edgy ember]

I intend to be engineering more than fighting, but the option to fight will be good

I also intend to make my next upgrade be the drop trooper package

[cunning aurora]

I feel like Stormblessed is not making it to another campaign 😄 Everyone will have all their specialized upgrades

[edgy ember]

I mean, with the high risk strategy, either we die, or we get bonus pay for great work

either way we wont be around in the same form

[edgy ember]

I do wonder whether having a medic on the support flight would be better. Would allow anyone else we collected to have assistance healing

[cunning aurora]

They can get healing when we go back to our group. They're relatively safe once we pick them up

also taking a medic with us just lowers the capacity of who we can carry

[edgy ember]

Fair

[real minnow]

If your medics are too busy, you can med-evac to our new Medical Corvette. It has a Med Bay and a dock for VTOLs.

[heady plaza]

No, there's 1 other.

[heady plaza]

I mean, we can refit into an elite QRF team.

Actually, SB is pretty beginner friendly - only the HVTOLs and, AA capabilities aren't.

[upbeat lily]

I know I'm going to try to make a Helldiver taskforce for the next campaign, just need to see if I can find ~45 interested individuals xD

[real minnow]

My dream ship will have drop pods, so if I get a ship, you can count me in.

[real crest]

Oh god it's back.

Do NOT fuse back and name yourselves Stormchaser kids.

Don't do it. 🤣

[lean berry]

Spiritual successor

[real crest]

Pretty much at this point.

Vote won by one vote

[lean berry]

@cunning aurora @heady plaza @fiery summit poll results came in

[lean berry]

Mhm. I voted for every option except the winning one 😅

[kind oyster]

I didn't vote at all

[lean berry]

Oofda

Was that intentional or did you just miss it?

[kind oyster]

I was Busy Re Writing my Company Document and missed it

It's hard to Re make a Document that explains what your PMC is all about

And spit shine it

[lean berry]

Yeah

[lean berry]

What option would you have voted for?

Storm Blessed - poll for detachment names

[kind oyster]

Either 2nd one or Suggested Tempest and Tremor

[real minnow]

We might just be really excited to try em, but Atlas picked up breaching pods. If that frigate is still alive when we get there, we'll try to board to get some intel.

[cunning aurora]

@thorn edge Can you rename this channel to Battlegroup 3/13? (and capitalize the Blessed)

[thorn edge]

Why 3/13? We already have a BG 13

Battlegroup 3 - The Storm Blessed: Comms

[cunning aurora]

Actually they want to rename as well. Let me find the reference

#1384286773068435587 message

It's because we're splitting into two BGs but want to keep a single chat for organizational purposes

[thorn edge]

That was days ago. They will need to message me if they want that to be changed, and I will need to hear it from them personally

As for splitting but keeping the same channel, you may need to talk to Cap about that in the TAC-COM channel. Make sure he is ok with that

[cunning aurora]

I would, if he'd respond :/

We have primary and backup taccoms for each partition. I don't see why it should be a problem

[thorn edge]

He is streaming now, but you can still try and wait till he is available

Splitting is not the issue. I am just not comfortable making the call of OKing essentially 2 BGs sharing the same channel.

[cunning aurora]

You could create another channel and we can just ignore it and chat here....

your choice

[thorn edge]

...no

[cunning aurora]

we're still gonna operate as a single BG 90% of the time. it's just that we want to be able to send VTOLs away. if we don't split now we'll lose to opportunity to ever do so

pretty sure shovels is doing the same thing

[thorn edge]

Then it would need to be 2 different BGs

Which is fine

[cunning aurora]

i guess it's a question of how you define BGs.

I wouldn't define them by what chat they're chatting in

but who they're submitting orders to

[thorn edge]

That is not my call to make, you need to communicate with the GM Shack at least so he knows what is happening

[cunning aurora]

i will happily do so when he chats outside of shack's chat

[thorn edge]

OK. Until then, I am not gonna say it is OK for 2 BGs to share a channel or make essentially a fake channel that won't be used.

[cunning aurora]

guess we'll wait then

[upbeat lily]

Thunder / Whirlwind "You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind"

[vast lodge]

Battle group bureaucracy / paperwork

[kind oyster]

Tempest and Tremor would have been nice, they would have Rhymed and connected to what they are

[lean berry]

Yeah, the figurative rhyming of Tempest and Tremor would be nice. I still think "Air" and "Ground" works. No need to get complicated. I do that enough as it is.

[thorn edge]

@cunning aurora Talked to Cap, and you are fine splitting up mechanically like that and still just use one channel

[cunning aurora]

Cheers. Thanks for checking in with him

@pearl tide You still good with us getting 13 for our second BG, and you taking 14?

[pearl tide]

🤣 I still don't really care as long as I don't lose the channel. BG 13 doesn't mean anything to me, just the name: 212th Logistical Branch

[golden rampart]

Just remember. You still need to make it to the player requirements.

[cunning aurora]

Yep. We're at 17/21 for the two BGs

@thorn edge We got confirmation from Dave.
Can you change this channel to be 3/13
and change https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1384286773068435587 to 14?
Thank you in advance!

[hexed prawn]

Did y’all decide on the naming?

Or did it end up dead split?

[cunning aurora]

Oficially we voted on Thunder/Lightning. But that was before a new great option became available

Tempest and Tremor is pretty dope

[hexed prawn]

Ooooh that’s sick

[thorn edge]

Battlegroup 3/13 - The Storm Blessed: Comms

[little grail]

Tempest and Tremor kinda fucks

[cunning aurora]

I like the alliteration. and also the connection to air and ground respectively

Fuck it. That's their titles now. Not gonna throw up another poll

[heady plaza]

amusement

[lean berry]

In a good sense or bad sense?

[heady plaza]

Aren't we 15:23 right now?-

looks at the Org chart on the sheet
... did I make a mistake?

Oh, wait - only 1 of the VTOLs is supposed to stick with the ground ENGI.

[upbeat lily]

so the two battlegroups need a minimum of 15 players correct?

[lean berry]

Correct

[heady plaza]

I think I fixed it?

@cunning aurora @lean berry @fiery summit If you would mind taking a quick look at the sheet.

[lean berry]

Your calculations are correct. 15:23 air:ground in the org chart. The roster had it a little different at 16:22

[lean berry]

We could do that. It just depends on if @rancid oasis wants to stick with @storm basin in Tremor (Ground Detachment) or be in Tempest

[cunning aurora]

Yeah you right. I was remembering the old split

[little grail]

Good sense

[rancid oasis]

Sorry, do I need to make a decision? I haven't been paying attention to the chat today

[cunning aurora]

What am I looking at?

[cunning aurora]

Nope. All the thinking is done for you 😉

[shut lodge]

How are you guys feeling? Prepping for round one?

[hollow canopy]

:D Am so ready!

[dull marten]

I'm ready!

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[frank ore]

There's no separate chat for bg13 right?

[heady plaza]

Nope!

Would be a mess to keep track of.

[frank ore]

That's good because aparently my mobile app dosent like threads

[heady plaza]

I'll get names on there when I can.

[frank ore]

So what Hvtol is going with 3 and who is going with 13?

I'm fine going with either one

[heady plaza]

Honid is with 13 due to being primary TCO. You're with us in the Air.

[frank ore]

Sounds good

[steady stream]

Whats the difference between the air and ground group?

[rancid oasis]

Not much, it's for tactical flexibility

[hexed prawn]

The air group… is the air units

The ground group… is the ground units

They’ve split for the flexibility of the air group to go and do other things without confusing the ground teams

[rancid oasis]

We are going to be operating as one unit for the most part

[hollow canopy]

:O

[steady stream]

ok

[true crescent]

Yeah its just incase theres some emergency that needs fast airlift we can respond

otherwise i expect us to operate as a single BG for the most part

[vast lodge]

Effectively if everything goes well we will stay as a single unit the entire game it the unplanned problems that could appear that the reason we are giving ourselves the option to be in 2 different places

[kind oyster]

Damm Didnt think my suggestion would have been Taken

[cunning aurora]

Technically it's for strategic flexibility. Tactically we're already free to move as we please.

[hushed trout]

I'm gonna be pedantic but an INF is 6 ppl it really should be labeled as squads and not platoons.

[cunning aurora]

Reminder for everyone: this is our current formation. If anyone wants to be somewhere else let me know and we can shuffle people around. But Generally:
HVTOLs are safest in the middle.
Medics/Engies are spread throughout the inside area.
Infantry take up all the sides
Our two 'spares' that aren't carrying anyone are in front.

Based on this layout

(with some variation)

Since turn 1 we'll probably just be escorted through the gate map, we're likely going to just be in formation. So not really anything to put orders in for

[edgy ember]

@cunning aurora I would like to suggest we have the tac coms listed at the top of the order tracking section, just so its easy to check in on who to send stuff to

I would add it, but I dont actually know who is doing it for us

[storm basin]

Honid is being ground tac-com

[cunning aurora]

The order tracking page is very much WIP, but sure we can add that

[slow hazel]

It’s go time

[kind oyster]

Are we Sharing Order channels as well?

[lean berry]

Unknown

Currently, yes

[feral yoke]

ah, main orders starting soon, I wonder what me and the Specops will be doing as were already in system

[slow hazel]

Just survive please

[kind oyster]

Screaming incoherently trying to either A) Outrun Bullets and/or Missiles, or B) hiding in a Bigass stable ruble pile that became a resistance Strong point

[feral yoke]

That's the plan

How am going to hide a VTOL...

[kind oyster]

It is called a Bigass stable Ruble pile

[feral yoke]

Hmm, I guess so

[storm basin]

If you’re worried about hiding your VTOL don’t worry, we almost missed it before the op, so it’s natural sneak should be efficient enough

[heady plaza]

This is 100% true.

However, I'm labeling each player as a company, because that's what they are in lore.

[heady plaza]

... Stealth?

[feral yoke]

only works to an extent

[storm basin]

Just a lil thing, if we ever go near locals, I am not approaching them

[untold pine]

When do we start giving the orders?

[feral yoke]

understandable given the nature of your unit

[storm basin]

Nalros, it’s a tac-com order this time as it’s a BG movement

I mean for this case specifically

As unless people want to upload like 10 pictures of different movements

It’s kinda hard to make an order

[heady plaza]

Yeah.

On a strategic level, it's easier for us to go "Yup, we agree to be in this formation, that's how we'll drop out of orbit" rather than attempting to submit so many other orders.

[untold pine]

Ah ok

[feral yoke]

Me and Mathezgreg aren't in the formation though so I wonder what will happen with that

[heady plaza]

Once we're on a tactical level, you could go on your own, but I will most definitely tell you if you'll be on your own.

(Strength in numbers, after all).

[storm basin]

I think they’ll just void your existence for rn, but I think you’ll be added after we find you

[heady plaza]

Ah.

... I actually couldn't find a good spot for you guys...

Preferences?

[feral yoke]

that was what I was thinking would happen

[feral yoke]

where? in the formation?

just put us off separately to the side I recon

[heady plaza]

If you want for when we are on the strategic level - less likely to get shot down.

Recon is your other choice, yes.

[feral yoke]

Most of the time we'll probably just be doing recon of on our own tbh as it make no sense to keep the stealthy ship with all the others were the enemy knows there are targets

[lean berry]

True, although you will need to be part of the formation for when we all get back together and are moving on the strategic movement

Probably best to have you forward and off to one side of the main formation

[feral yoke]

yeah, I guess so

[feral yoke]

thats along the lines of what I was thinking, in a sort of scouting role

[ashen crypt]

I missed a couple days and I’m trying to catch up. I think our BG has been split into ground and air divisions, our orders are due on Sunday, and our spec ops scouted Elim so we know the LZ is hot. Anything else I missed?

[lean berry]

That's the majority of it

Also, we're going in first with TF 3 Fluffle

Orders due on <t:1750629780:F> in https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1385617133991497748

For (most) VTOLs the order should be something to the effect of "flying in formation with unit X on board"

For ground units your order ought to be something like "aboard X VTOL"

Order Format example:

-# (per the core rules)

Unit Type: [What Type of Unit are you fielding? Light Vehicle? Infantry?]
Carrying: [FOR TRANSPORT UNITS ONLY: Whose Unit are you carrying? What else are you carrying?]
Equipment: [List all the equipment you purchased for your unit and are bringing this Job, along with all Ammo]

Order Type: [What Order Type is your unit using this Round? Hold? Advance?] 

Movement/Action Tracker: [Breakdown and list all the movement you are using for tracking purposes. How much movement is being used to move your unit? What Action(s) are they doing where and the movement cost for each, is this a primary action or standard?]

Starting Coords: [General area that your unit starts the round in (in Hex Coordinates)]
Ending Coords: [Where your unit will end its turn this round (use general Hex Coordinates)]

RP: [Not required and has no effect on what happens to your unit in play. Just pure Roleplay fun. Keep it short and reasonable, but have fun]```

[storm basin]

Do we need cords for this order?

[cunning aurora]

Nah. We're all in formation. We don't even have a map to post coords 😄

[hollow canopy]

:O Orders? So soon? :O

[storm basin]

Yup… also how many pfps do you have Enni?

[hollow canopy]

Many. I swap between them a lot. =v=

[lean berry]

In this case coordinates would be more like "Lussan Gate" and "Central Elim City - High Orbit"

[cunning aurora]

Game starts in like 2 days. It's about time 😄

[storm basin]

So we’re going to Elim city?

That’s fineee

[cunning aurora]

I doubt we'll make it, but yeah that's the hope.

We want to go in tandem with TF3 at least day 1, since we have no idea what it looks like at the gate

[storm basin]

Tig, as a commander it’s your job to the be the optimist…

[cunning aurora]

I meant that I doubt we'll make it because of the distance

not because we'll all die

[hollow canopy]

I need to figure out what our latest iteration of our plan is...

[storm basin]

Well it seems we chose to wait for an escort

As such, we’re aiming to directly reach Elim and break the siege with Fluffle’s escort

[cunning aurora]

Alright so just so everyone's on the same page

We're going to Elim

We're going with TF3 - Fluffle. They currently have the larger escort force out of them and TF2.

We wanted that because the gate map will likely have hostiles on it

If a map has hostiles on it we need to traverse towards the edge, and won't pass through it in one turn.

We couldn't fight back against any fighters that may roam the gate area, hence the escort.

Turn 1 we will likely fly out of the gate in formation with TF3 - Fluffle. They should be able to fight off any hostiles in the AO.