Battlegroup 3/13 - The Storm Blessed: Comms

[lean berry]

I have the image saved so I can post it directly as needed

[untold pine]

Good morning everyone.

[full lagoon]

why thank you

no clue the chat moves way too fast for me to handle and deal with life as well

[real crest]

How's it going ? :D

[full lagoon]

lol you want the rp answer or the real one

[real crest]

Both ? xD

[storm basin]

Tbh I might start throwing rp here as well

[full lagoon]

when was the last campaign lol.

Rp Answer-Shit, we lost the companies main transport in our last assignment and since then we have had to send out indivisual units rather then whole platoons.

Real- meh. went to uni last september for the first time and enjoying it but now dealing with tryign to find a rental for years 2 and 3

[real crest]

Man, a year ago ? I don't know anymore it's been so long

good luck with uni anyways

and rip for the main transport :s

[heady plaza]

Uni?

Nice! Also just finished my first year.

[cunning aurora]

We doing RP Posts? Hell yeah.

[CHARON-01 // “Overwatch Actual”]
Alt-Space Transit | Lumara Contract +5 Days

There’s a particular kind of silence you only get in Alt-Space. Engines hum steady, hull vibration drops to a whisper, and even the usual chatter across command nets goes quiet. It gives you time to think. Which, lately, is a curse.

We were supposed to be a quick response unit. Drop in where it’s hot, stabilize, pull out before anyone has time to count uniforms. That was the plan. That’s how I built the Storm Blessed—fast, aggressive, mobile.

Then the op shifted under our boots.

First landfall.
No recon packages, no terrain data, not even a confirmed spaceport. Just: “Lead the insertion. Secure the zone.”

I've been in shouting matches with half the other Tac-Coms since the order dropped. Everyone wants our VTOLs. Everyone wants airlift priority. Apparently, twenty dedicated airframes is “excessive” now. As if I conjured them from nowhere. As if I didn’t spend the last two months drilling formations, tuning cargo cycles, building the timing down to the second.

We’re not built to crawl. We strike. That takes air. I’m not handing off lift capacity to some armored column that’s still figuring out which end of the planet is up.

At least I managed to push through one recon drop before Command locked down the manifest. Special Forces, slotted into our group by some logistical oversight or divine mistake—no one’s quite sure. Doesn’t matter. They’re ours now. I sent them ahead on a low-sig orbital burn. No satlink, no overwatch, just boots and instinct.

If they find us a viable zone, we land fast and hard. If they don’t... we land anyway.

And we improvise.

[full lagoon]

cool what you studying?

[kind oyster]

{32nd Astral Hounds Communication}
SQ: Its official we are Green Lit in going hard, hot, and fast on this one ladies, prepare your Crash gear, our enemies are renegade Bots so bring alot AP munitions
T1: Do we have any intel on the Objectives Sir?
SQ: Overall Objective is an Stonewall against the bots, Evacuation of the Local Populace if we can't Hold. The Forces we are attached to's main objective is as i said before, dropping in Hard and Fast onto the planet to secure a Foothold, afterwards we'll talk about on the ground, anything else?
T2: any Intel on the Planet sir?
SQ: Cold, and Snowing watch for Avalanches, Christmas ain't coming early this year though, so don't get your hopes up Jared.
Jared: HEY! I only asked about Holiday Bonuses ONE TIME!! 

[storm basin]

[Shuttle, location unknown]

Silence something preferred, yet ultimately deafening. Even with everything what has gone on, there wasn’t enough time for what was needed to be done. Experience in the field, was useful, yet distracting during the times with the company, sentinels learnt, but needed enhancements… Unfortunately there was more that needed to be done.

The blackness of space was calming, alluring, yet ultimately lethal. It was a fool’s fate, yet to be a mercenary to travel these broad stars was what Mal chose to do, it was their fate. Especially since their expertise isn’t really relied on in this sector whilst automation of producing robots was a preferred fashion at home.

The console, something what consumed the bridge of the vessel they were upon blinked an update, uploading data… As always each company was only allocated one unit, how boring. But what surprised them was the uploading of their role, an engineer 1 of 3 on a quick aerospace unit, to fight what worsened any idea of surprise, robots… Of course it’s robots why not? It isn’t like sending people with robots to fight robots is stupid.
With a swear and a half mutter in a personal language, they needed to acquire a team, maybe the same one from Scrap and Scatter, or could the one from the op with the mutaletts be more effective… It needs to be considered, firstly they need to find Zle.

[little grail]

RP Posts? Hell yeah! Lemme get on the other side of clinicals and I'll get something whipped up for Capt. Carson and his crew

[storm basin]

Just a small note, mine is 1 of many to come

-# Let the creativity flow peeps

[heady plaza]

BSc Bio

[heady plaza]

... you mind if I write a companion piece talking about the logistics side?

[bleak robin]

RP Post:

Nothing 2 slinked through the Battlegroup's Briefing room, acting as if she belonged as she logged as much information as she could from every passing comment and intel she passed by. She had a target in mind, a certain squad that she wanted to coordinate intel targets with, but that window seemed to have passed as she passed by an open map with circles within Elim City marked on it. With a sigh, she backed up the data before walking out of the room, turning into a corner and blending into the shadows before disappearing out of sigh.

[full lagoon]

Cool. Doing BA (Hons) War Studies

[kind oyster]

heh out of sigh

[bleak robin]

You know what, I'm keeping it.

[feral yoke]

--RP Post--
--Cmdr Wattson//Lumara System--
The silence was deafening as the planet slowly grew larger in the viewscreen. Nothing but the gentle rumbling from the Dropships fusion engine, the muffled sound of quite conversation from the hold, the beeping of readouts on the control console. They were alone out here, only a couple dozen men in hostile territory.

That last encounter had been... useful. Lt Zephyr sat behind in the co-pilot seat filtering through the pile of information they had gathered. Not long now till they made planetfall.

Cmdr Wattson reached up for the comm link to the hold. "All hands prepare for atmospheric entry, T-minus 20 minutes.".

I'll just leave that here ^^

[storm basin]

Shall we get more comms links later?

Or is this your only one

[vast lodge]

You will when we are done with scouting things shack is busy steaming right now

[feral yoke]

yeah, thats just a quick RP thing I felt like doing

[cunning aurora]

feel free. it's meant as a starting point

[storm basin]

Sadge

[vast lodge]

Don’t worry we made some good progress

[storm basin]

Nice

Hope you make it out alive

[bleak robin]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

[quartz bridge]

--RP--
[discussing Hopper's features]

Lt. Amako Ufeya: What have you got for me?

Engineer: Ma'am, we've replaced the shield gem and repaired the damaged runes from when you cracked the last one. Try to regulate your mana output better this time. You know the sapphires we have can't handle as much as diamonds master-cut by the craft-mages back home.

Amako: You don't have to tell me twice. I'm the one who had to pay for it remember. Show me the cut.

[the engineer opens a panel on the fuselage, the sapphire's cool inner light suffuses a small compartment, every surface etched with arcane symbols]

Amako: Hmm... It'll barely absorb a single hit. Damn! Don't we have anything better?

Engineer: We don't ma'am, sorry.

[feral yoke]

gems, runes? weird and intresting tech

[storm basin]

Oh it’s sci-fi magic people

[quartz bridge]

What?. I like magic. It's not weird... baka. 🙃

[storm basin]

I ain’t against it

It’s just not what I usually expect tbh

[hollow canopy]

I'm awake. =v= Did I miss breakfast and/or Drop Day?

[quartz bridge]

You missed some RP if that interests you.

[warm lichen]

--RP Post--
Johann Wraski: Thanks for allowing us to join you, I am looking forward to rebuilding the Salvagers into a capable combat group. Unfortunately our best engineers and salvagers are still recovering from the attack on our old base, so we'll have to make due with some of our new recruits as infantry.

[hollow canopy]

:O Usually!

[vast lodge]

It been done pod has been send to the fleet

[feral yoke]

We're allive

don't worry

[hollow canopy]

:D You did it!

[shut lodge]

They made it!!!!

[hollow canopy]

You are heroes!

[feral yoke]

now please

[shut lodge]

@feral yoke drinks on me

[feral yoke]

come help us

[shut lodge]

How bad?

[hollow canopy]

Uhh, we'll be there in 2-6 Business Days.

[vast lodge]

But on the positive side we know they have a starport since we are holding it

[shut lodge]

@vast lodge you as well drinks on me when we’re back with the fleet

[feral yoke]

we're currently engaging in city fighting against bots with local police forces

[shut lodge]

Lmaooooo how did you pull that off

[feral yoke]

well its not completly secured I don't think

[vast lodge]

And we have a ally fleet to help land our forces

[feral yoke]

but close enough

[hollow canopy]

So it's, I think Case Red? Where Elim is being sieged, but not totally lost?

[feral yoke]

ooh, they may also be fighters right outside the gate

[shut lodge]

Ya red sounds good

[storm basin]

Well…

[shut lodge]

How clear is space and/or the skies around

[storm basin]

Finley it’s nice to see you;re having fun

[feral yoke]

we were able to sneak though but they won't miss an entire invasion force

[vast lodge]

Don’t worry just drop troops and strategic sized missiles rain down from the east

[storm basin]

I mean… in orbit we should be able to use our turrets to shoot fighters…

Or can we not bs this?

[feral yoke]

there are going to be orbitals to contend with

[storm basin]

Oh… that’s an issue

[feral yoke]

we know of atleast 1 for certain

[vast lodge]

When we through the gate there was fighters and there a small orbital over the city

[feral yoke]

a frigate sized ship

[storm basin]

Wait, over the city or at the gate

[feral yoke]

over the city

[vast lodge]

The city itself

[storm basin]

By what you’re stating, we could jump to Cell’dar mine

instead

[feral yoke]

there were also 2 fighters and multiple unknows around the gate

[shut lodge]

As in low atmosphere?

[hollow canopy]

Cell'dar probably has even more trouble there than Elim...

[storm basin]

True…

[heady plaza]

So we should still wait for TF escort.

[storm basin]

Btw what is the earliest a TF can jump in at

[heady plaza]

At the very least get some security.

[heady plaza]

T-3.

[hollow canopy]

We have to button up with Task Force for sure then, for the whole way to the city...

[heady plaza]

We can jump in at T-5, but that seems extremely unwise.

[vast lodge]

There where attacking civilians at the gate so if they still there we don’t know

[shut lodge]

Speaking for Victoria here we’re punching a hole for you guys

[feral yoke]

nav field 1 seems to be clear

and the orbital over the city appears to be small and alone

[shut lodge]

Thought you said there were contacts at the gate

[hollow canopy]

Sounds like a mix of Case Red and Orange, where Elim is still holding, but the Bots are already contesting Lussan Gate...

[feral yoke]

there are

[storm basin]

Finley what is the unknown count?

5+?

[hollow canopy]

Damn, we're gonna be in for some choppy air, for sure...

[vast lodge]

2 Fighters is what we found at the gate and 9 unknown

[storm basin]

Oh… Yeah I guess we need a TF

[shut lodge]

Roger we will be ready. How secure is the spaceport

[storm basin]

They;re fighting bots in the city

[cunning aurora]

Alright so no the 'No Taskforce' plan is out the window

[shut lodge]

Got it so not at all

[vast lodge]

The other unknown where I think fighting so the exact numbers of enemy is unknown

[hollow canopy]

Wait, the Unknowns were engaged with the Bots as well?

[shut lodge]

So some friendlies in the area then

[storm basin]

Well… we could try a charge into the system, risking that the Unkowns are the local fleet

[hollow canopy]

Oh hell no, we're not bum-rushing an active warzone without coverage

[storm basin]

Or Syndicate/Federate reserves sent to hold the gate

[feral yoke]

okay summary

2 fighters at gate attacking civs plus 9 unknowns although visual would indicate some are civs under attack

no enemys spotted at nav field 1

ally civ fleet at the rock station to ferry ground forces to the surface

1 frigate sized orbital over Elim, appear to be launching missiles and drop pods at the city

the city has bots in it but we are holding with local police forces at the starport

(did I miss anything)

[vast lodge]

Missiles where from the east

[feral yoke]

ah

yeah, so missile artilery

[slow hazel]

Not amazing but not horrible either

[storm basin]

So… shit Nery’s Village is lost then… or under siege

[storm basin]

By what you said 1 village is lost

[cunning aurora]

Where is the spaceport on the map?

[storm basin]

As both routes take you by a village, which the bots would probably focus

[shut lodge]

Remember bots prioritise city and then resources

[storm basin]

Villages are minor urban sectors… practically

So they wouldn’t ignore them

[hollow canopy]

If they have Artillery setup, than it's safe to assume the village is already occupied by hostiles...

[feral yoke]

we also have potential civs trapped in the hill mine

[hexed prawn]

Rabbit stands ready to assist Storm in as much capacity as we can

[storm basin]

Any info on Cell’dar? Or is that unknown due to the lack of allied aerial assets?

[shut lodge]

The mines were already a high priority target for us so that doesn’t change much I think

[feral yoke]

round building in the center of the city

[mossy cloak]

Any info regarding the route towards Cross roads?

[storm basin]

Artillery from east

[hexed prawn]

This?

[slow hazel]

Looks like we are going to struggle to make it outward for a few turns

[storm basin]

So it’s under threat or lost

[feral yoke]

we didn't get that far

[shut lodge]

LRM or standard arty?

[frosty fulcrum]

If we can find the orbital transport capacity somewhere, Pathfinder is ready to assist

[heady plaza]

... they are requesting that we respond as the closest fleet. Best we could say is that they're a local fleet.

[feral yoke]

we are ~here

[shut lodge]

Cause we can’t bring transports in if they’re within range three

[hollow canopy]

If they're firing Rocket Artillery at Elim from the East, they probably already control Crossroads. They'd be firing at Crossroads if there was still a frontline or resistance there.

[vast lodge]

Strategic levels missile to be exact

[feral yoke]

no info

[storm basin]

Oh… so ICBMs…

[shut lodge]

Shit

[storm basin]

The bots have fucking ICBMs

[feral yoke]

we have civs to transport ground forces down at the rock station

[mossy cloak]

Alright thank you for your bravery!

[heady plaza]

ohshit

[shut lodge]

Is the frigate high orbit or low?

[hexed prawn]

Presumably those will need to be defended, and do they need to offload at the starport or not? I assume we don’t really know that.

[feral yoke]

high orbit

[feral yoke]

they have no defences but are capable of atmospheric land fall with landing legs I think

[vast lodge]

There vehicles and ore transport that can land they do have some fighters from the local defence forces with them

[frozen lagoon]

Any info on airfields potentially around the Hill Mines? Since DF and Ultra are sending it into the north

[hollow canopy]

Might have to worry about DC then... And that won't be a big number...

[narrow sand]

@true crescent good to be transporting you

[hexed prawn]

That changes the equation, quite a bit. Do we know their capacity? If they’re enough, we might be able to get all of Rabbit down combined with Fluffle (if that’s allowed)

That would give a much stronger force to open with alongside Storm

[cunning aurora]

How many forces did you see in Elim? Do you think we'll clean up the ground forces easily?

[vast lodge]

There 12 of them we will probably be getting numbers from the mid rounds

[hexed prawn]

Understood. That could change everything

[vast lodge]

Unknown but there well armoured for infantry

[unique sedge]

Y'all think you can run the blockade or are you waiting for the larger orbital TFs to show up?

[heady plaza]

So PAI.

fuck- that was the one enemy we didn't want to deal with

[feral yoke]

there are several bots, but they are heavily armoured, more are arriving via drop pods

[cunning aurora]

Honestly I'm just happy to know the station is held by friendlies. At least we won't get stabbed in the back

[hollow canopy]

Toe-to-Toe, our Infantry is still gonna be at a Disadvantage against theirs...

[cunning aurora]

Was there any AA in Elim?

[narrow sand]

Are we hot dropping btw?

[vast lodge]

Not that we found

[feral yoke]

well when we say we hold it.. there are atleast 2 bots inside with more than we can kill coming

[narrow sand]

They are tougher and have more fs per unit, right?

[heady plaza]

1 Armor, 3 FS/Hit.

[narrow sand]

Or dropping to help friendlies right away

[vast lodge]

We found 3 and 2 fs based unit

[narrow sand]

Not too bad

[hollow canopy]

Sounds like varients of Power Armor Infantry then... We'd have to bring some Light Armor-Piercing to properly fight it, but it would give us an Advantage against them if we did. Otherwise, volume of fire might just work since they're pretty low on FS

[narrow sand]

Marine equivalents?

Yeah

[vast lodge]

There icon seems to be regular infantry but we don’t know

[narrow sand]

Do we have maps yet?

[hollow canopy]

Maps might be in the Pod, I doubt our Spec Ops took time to make a map.

[slow hazel]

I was kind of expecting them to have modified units with more armor. That’s annoying their infantry is equivalent to our PAI almost though

[narrow sand]

Fact is we can drop all our infantry one one

[unique sedge]

show us the scribbled drawings

[upper depot]

Sounds like it's gonna be a meat grinder and our medics will be busy...

[narrow sand]

Do we have any gunships?

[feral yoke]

do you recon we should show the maps Mathezgreg or leave it for the midrounds to show?

[vast lodge]

I’m going to wait for mid rounds since we only got really small zoomed in maps

[hollow canopy]

Leave it for Midround, see if Shack posts it or not

[heady plaza]

1 in the fleet somewhere, not with us.

[narrow sand]

Shame

The heavy gunships look fun

[hexed prawn]

I would leave it for the midrounds cause shack will want to be shy with his intel

[high lily]

They're the reason I took the Autocannon, I really wish we would have kept the 2 Autocannon Mechs now

[cunning aurora]

Leave it for midrounds

[shut lodge]

Don’t spoil shacks story

[hollow canopy]

I'm assuming Infantry doesn't have any Armor-Piercing upgrades anywhere, right?

[cunning aurora]

On another note I feel like we're likely to go to the space station after securing the space port

[feral yoke]

well I think that will be all that I will say for now and leave you to see the specifics in the midrounds

[cunning aurora]

They do not.

[feral yoke]

but that gives you a rough idea of what we're facing

[vast lodge]

At this point we probably join you guys when you get to the city

[hollow canopy]

Finally can make a proper plan now... Now that we know a Starport even exists, among other details

[narrow sand]

We dont have them?

[feral yoke]

well they will join us when the get to the city

[narrow sand]

Cant we use mediums?

[upper depot]

Gonna need one, considering it's hardly as secure as we wanted

[narrow sand]

Or are they with heavy armor

[ember snow]

[high lily]

One joined with fluffle to be their mech crew, and the other stockpiled their mech and is in a fighter now

[cunning aurora]

Alright I don't think our landing plan really changes. We intended to land and overwhelm, that's not changed

[hollow canopy]

Gonna need more seats at the Table with all the other Tac-Coms coming in...

[cunning aurora]

The debate is now once again if we should:
Go Alone
Go with a fast TF
Go with the strong TF

[ember snow]

UM! how ... far up is the lovely intel, sorry to interrupt.... :X

[hollow canopy]

Quite a bit, let me link it.

[narrow sand]

Dont we have two tanks?

[slow hazel]

It’s like the last 10 minutes. It got forwarded to BG4 as well

[hollow canopy]

Started here

[narrow sand]

Cant we just kill the heavy infantry that way?

[unique sedge]

starts here

[hexed prawn]

Rabbit would like to advocate for a combo. Fluffle + Victorum + Storm + Rabbit

Slow but most force we can get down

[cunning aurora]

How fast do y'all deploy?

[vast lodge]

There will be mid round with probably better intel and map if you want to wait

[narrow sand]

No aa on the drop zone?

[narrow sand]

We are dropping infantry turn two right?

[feral yoke]

we we're stealth so if there was any it didn't spot us

[vast lodge]

If you drop from orbit on to the starport you should be fine

[narrow sand]

Sounds good

[cunning aurora]

I think it's directly scalable to how many times we're likely to get attacked.
1 - If it's only 1 layer then I think we could go alone
2 - If we're intercepted in two places I want at least a small escort
3 - If we're likely to get attacked at all stages I want to go with Victorum to be safe

Thoughts?

[narrow sand]

How long until the drop?

[hexed prawn]

With the orbitals? 4 LVs and 2 mechs per turn. We also have a HAT that will theoretically be carrying inf. We’d be bringing 15 total units plus what’s in the HAT (I think?). That could change if we are able to use the civs from the rock station. We’re doing a headcount right now so we’ll have updated numbers soon.

[hollow canopy]

I suspect we're gonna get attacked at least twice.

[lean berry]

Looks like we have some intel, then

Did Shack GM you two via DMs?

[narrow sand]

Day one we should probably join up with combat air brigade

[cunning aurora]

I meant what's your slowest moving unit? Since that decides how quickly you arrive on the map

[vast lodge]

Yes

[high lily]

3

We all have transports that are a minimum of 3 speed

[shut lodge]

Midrounds!

[cunning aurora]

Here's a thing to remember. The faster your slowest unit, the sooner you arrive on the map. So with our Speed 5 we can arrive 4 turns before all Speed 1, 2 before Speed 3. So we get more turns to do stuff

[narrow sand]

?

[hollow canopy]

The gate isn't activating in-system?

[high lily]

Victorium is going to decimate that encounter

[slow hazel]

Looks like it or maybe because they’re under fire and can’t get away

Disabled systems on board or something

[cunning aurora]

We're the only ones with codes to activate it

[narrow sand]

What are the midrounds?

[slow hazel]

#midround-events

[hollow canopy]

Oh, huh.

[narrow sand]

Is it the prep operqtion?

[cunning aurora]

https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1212897618733174825

[narrow sand]

Oh ok

[shut lodge]

Oh ya we plan to obliterate those fighters

[cunning aurora]

Yeah but we could be arriving 4 turns before y'all. It's a debate on if we want to do that

[high lily]

That's only if you go without us. I at least suggest that you stick with the fastest orbital taskforce. But that's up to you guys's discretion glory to the Storm lol

[cunning aurora]

Was there anything capable of shooting VTOLs at the rock station?

[upper depot]

Having enemy fighters a couple hexes from the gate isn't super reassuring that we could go it alone

[shut lodge]

With a bunch of unknowns

[little grail]

We hold the Starport!

[feral yoke]

unfortunatly we had to leave the civs under attack to fend for themselves

[hollow canopy]

Unknowns are probably more enemy fighters inter-mixed with resistance, maybe.

[slow hazel]

True but barely. We could potentially send the transports in alongside TF1 but I don’t think it’s a wise idea yet

[little grail]

We do what we have to. Help is coming.

[upper depot]

Damn, it sounds like we're needed everywhere now

[cunning aurora]

My thoughts right now: We don't go to Elim alone, we wait for more forces to arrive and push together.
But that doesn't mean we sit idle. We could go to the space station and secure that before continuing on; we can likely land there and repair before going back into the fray.

[hollow canopy]

Could risk blitzing out of the Lussan Gate to get there, ya... Would only expose us to a single round of incoming fire... Would their Fighters be able to tail us into Nav-Field 1 and the Rock Station?

[feral yoke]

the rock station should be secure if thats what mean by space station

[cunning aurora]

Oh, I thought that was still under attack

[feral yoke]

no

the civilian convoy was fleeing to it through nav field 1

so hopefully it is still secure

[little grail]

A piece of me wants to see how many people we can have show up at once... get some overwhelming force to establish a foothold.

If we just trickle in, it makes it easier for us to be picked off.

[high lily]

This is definitely what we're hoping for with rabbit

[hexed prawn]

That’s my inclination, see how much capacity we can get down on the same turn and do that

[slow hazel]

Unfortunately we can’t do that until the airspace is clear for the civilian transports

Gl to Rabbit and Storm though. You guys will have to carry for a bit

[high lily]

That's pretty much what everyone signed on for with rabbit, honestly

[little grail]

So TF Victorum and TF Fluffle are going to be able to arrive at the same time? Am I understanding that right?

[hexed prawn]

Fluffle would just have to go slower than max speed and I don’t see why we couldn’t do that to coordinate with Victorum

[little grail]

Are yall faster than us?

[ember snow]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-frontline-hk416-tactical-reload-foxtrot12-hk416-girls-frontline-gif-2901518645196686025

They have a spec ops team

[hexed prawn]

Fluffle is speed 3 I believe

[hollow canopy]

We have a Spec Ops team!

[true crescent]

--RP Post--

The sounds of the loading bay washes over Willams as he enters the main loading chamber, the beep of forklifts, cranes and the occasional shout of an angry supervisor echo throughout the cavernous space as he surveys the various cargo being prepped and loaded into waiting containers.

He makes his way over to the massive bay doors opening into the vast expanse of space, the Lumara System sparkling faintly in the distance as the fleet draws ever closer.

Taking a seat on a nearby cargo crate he shuts his eyes and allows repressed memories to resurface once again. Suddenly he's on the off ramp of a HAT skydiving towards the ground of Titan as AA fire flies around him, watching as other HAT's go down in flames taking entire squads with them.

Then as soon as it begins it's over and he's back in the chaotic loading bay still drawing ever closer to Lumara. "Back into the fray he whispers quietly to himself" before setting off to check his equipment and supplies. Again.

[narrow sand]

Can you break down the plan more precisely

Can all the vtols just drop from orbit, drop of the infantry for storm, and then go back up to pick up half of rabbit?

Then repeat a third time to get both brigades there?

[shut lodge]

It takes half your movement to change orbit

[narrow sand]

Thats fine

Should take, 4 rounds down, 4 rounds up?

Since we need to slow to to pick things up

So that should take 16 rounds for the initial push

No way

[heady plaza]

One is an AA tank. Minimal AP capability.

[narrow sand]

3 up 3 down

[narrow sand]

Hmmm fair enough

Aught to be fine

But yeah aa is going to be very useful turn one

[heady plaza]

Assume 2 intercepts minimum. Once at Gate, and 1 over the city.

[narrow sand]

Yikes

[shut lodge]

Remember if this frigate has LRMS they can call the shots

[narrow sand]

Will we be intercepted on the way back up?;

[narrow sand]

Likely we want to use that all on air defense asap

[shut lodge]

Hopefully by the time you go back up TF1 will have cleared space

[narrow sand]

Since using it on ground targets is a waste

The less air defense, the more we can just use bombers

[heady plaza]

Yes. They can move between strat points as well.

No friendly AA capability known in system - we need to take an escort.

[narrow sand]

Wait

Are our transports at LEO

Or at HEO

Like

The actual ships themselves

[slow hazel]

There are technically allied fighters in the system but I wouldn’t rely on them. They aren’t even military and the bots have far superior numbers as well

[storm basin]

I mean… if the security force could have moved to hold the gate for us that’d be a blessing, but we are a bit delayed to this all

[heady plaza]

We can be.

[heady plaza]

They are civvie law enforcement. Currently, they are running as milita nationals from what I see - running emergency escorts as a desperate last measure.

[narrow sand]

How many allied do we have

Hardly any

So we need to take the port ourselves

[feral yoke]

we are currently at the port already

[heady plaza]

Unknown. Assume they are overwhelmed.

We need to keep the port secure and harass the orbital .

[narrow sand]

I have a bad feeling about port drops

[narrow sand]

Oh shit

[storm basin]

We have the port by Finley’s logic, but the issue is, it isn’t secure

[heady plaza]

Yup. We should reinforce to ensure we hold onto it.

[narrow sand]

We still have the starport?

For sure??

[storm basin]

The city is under siege Finley is THERE

The man is literally there with the SF fighting

[feral yoke]

the star port is still contested, we'll need the other VTOLs and troops to come and help us secure it

[vast lodge]

We are marked down as holding the starport with locals by shack at the end

[narrow sand]

Who is finley

[feral yoke]

me

[narrow sand]

Player scout?

Ah ok

You are currently on the ground?

[feral yoke]

SPECOPS VTOL Saber

[narrow sand]

Spec ops?

I see

[storm basin]

They are both on the ground

[little grail]

Spec Ops VTOL (Think Space Littlebird)

[vast lodge]

I’m the sf unit with him

[storm basin]

They never left the system and never tried to, shack’s order was to send a payload as a message

[rancid oasis]

Oooo.... exciting intel. Elim City is contested. Based on what we know, I still think the best plan is to go in with Fluffle. Doesn't sound like there is a lot of enemy units at the gate. I took a quick look at Fluffle set up doc and I think they have the firepower to knock out the fighters if they engage with us rather then fleeing

[heady plaza]

We need to reinforce to ensure we hold the starport until we get the rest of the BGs down - Then, a few round of recovery, then probably assault Cell'Dar mine soon after.

[feral yoke]

yeah, we're fighting bots in the city and could really use some help

[frank ore]

unless they have absolutly stacked AA there i still say we hot drop the spaceport

[heady plaza]

Look, we can afford to drop spaceport even if there are like 15 AA units.

Split targeting means everyone will take 1 hit, but we can repair that on the ground.

[frank ore]

so far theres no such thing as an AOE AA weapon rigt?

[vast lodge]

No

[rancid oasis]

But it sounds like even if the fighters engage Fluffle, we could evade around the fight and have a straight shot to Elim City

[frank ore]

then we should be ifne

[storm basin]

Issue is, they have unique techs right?

[rancid oasis]

Well, the bots have ICBMs, so who know what else they might have about their bot sleeves

[storm basin]

They have strategic level missiles, so for all we know they may have AOE AA

[heady plaza]

We're fucked either way if they have AOE AA, TF2 isn't enough to shield us.

[rancid oasis]

But if they are focused on still taking the city and they currently have air superiority in the city. I don't see why they would prioritize setting up AA in the city

[heady plaza]

And TF1 will be extremely slow. SF team would have to hold out for an equivalent of 8 rounds of attack.

[shut lodge]

TF one can soak the hits from even strat level missles I think but we’re slow as shit even if we boost ourselves

[heady plaza]

I agree. Maybe a few pieces of incidental defense, but they have fighter superiority.

[shut lodge]

I’m going to ask Shack if we can sortie, our entire airwing ahead of us

[storm basin]

Absolute madlad

[heady plaza]

... that would burn at least 2LS, probably more. Is TF1 willing to bear that cost?

[shut lodge]

Victorum told you guys we’re getting you down no matter what

[feral yoke]

the orbital TFs will need to screen for BG3 so the VTOLs can get though to help us out in the city

[shut lodge]

It should be just one LS

[real minnow]

TF2 is in full Case Red mode, we'll deploy all our fighters and bombers and help contest Elim Spaceport.

[storm basin]

So… hail mary to Elim it is I guess (whenever we arrive in system)

[feral yoke]

we don't know of any aerospace assets for sure in Elim airspace aside from a frigate sized orbital

[heady plaza]

Sortie is 1 LS per round. We're arriving T-3, hopefully, compared to you guys at T-0.

[storm basin]

Finley, valid question, did they ever mention any actual defence stations in the city?
Or does nobody know of any actual defences

[vast lodge]

We know nothing about the city besides the space port

[storm basin]

F….

[shut lodge]

Yeah, but if we hit fast and they just sweep up the area around you in a direct path, they should be able to get out in maybe one round

[feral yoke]

the only thing we know of in the city is several bot infantry groups, a friagate sized orbital in high orbit deploying drop pods, and missile artilery coming in from the west, we know the city as a port though

[shut lodge]

If it’s two, we will have to rethink

[real minnow]

They can target ground forces too

[true crescent]

We need our own TS to take that out i assume before we can land with the VTOL's

[feral yoke]

we have plenty of VTOLs for CAS, save the fighter ammo for anti fighter work

[shut lodge]

The initial sortie we were talking about just hitting those seven unknown contacts

Clear the gate so that’s one less contested spot for you guys to have to go through, but again there’s been a delay in for all we know an enemy task force could move into NAV1

[feral yoke]

I wonder if 17 VTOLs would be enough to swarm and destroy the frigate....

[little grail]

What I dont want to happen is we sortie those people in and they dont have a way out

Like they get stuck in contact and we run into issues

[storm basin]

I think… if it has no armour it might be able to

As most die are d2

[feral yoke]

death by a thousand cuts anyone

[true crescent]

Sounds like a shack question

[real minnow]

Frigates have Armor 1 by default

[vast lodge]

Regular ones have one armour but we could attack it rear

[rancid oasis]

At least some of the unknowns are friendlies

[storm basin]

However we can board it if a madlad somehow is able to land near an airlock

[real minnow]

Aerospace can't flank

[narrow sand]

i am go for this

how do we check the map btw?

[real minnow]

but 17d2, dealing 1 hit on a 2, needing 7 hits to kill

[storm basin]

I was suggesting, we shoot the side with lesser armour, if one existed

[narrow sand]

i want to know where my unit is currently

[rancid oasis]

Its in the midround events channel

[feral yoke]

the maps haven't been posted yet not of the city atleast

[real minnow]

odds are about 60% you'd kill the frigate in one round

[storm basin]

16d2 1d4 if I am correct

That’s discounting Finely I think

[real minnow]

slightly better then

[true crescent]

Should we do it?

Cause if we can't kill it in one turn we are gonna take losses

[frozen lagoon]

Is it known if the frigate is hostile or is it assumed? I missed if it’s known

[storm basin]

Pretty sure it’s hostile, by what is said

[feral yoke]

it is most definitly hostile

[rancid oasis]

Its hostile, its dropping bot infantry

[little grail]

Mine can be docked!

[frozen lagoon]

Ah I see that info now

[narrow sand]

only one or two right?

[heady plaza]

Yes with clever maneuvering, but not without likely casualties (HMGs have the rapid fire tag).

[narrow sand]

besides we will take loses fighting it regardless

[heady plaza]

Orbitals can be flanked due to PONDEROUS tag, iirc. Will have to reread rules.

[narrow sand]

maybe we should ask the other battlegroups if they have any idle fighters

[heady plaza]

Rear.

[shut lodge]

Rapid fire only affects hoard units

[narrow sand]

30 vtols will do the trick

[shut lodge]

As in units with the hoard tag

[storm basin]

horde*

[narrow sand]

if 17 does not

[heady plaza]

is a group of 20 VTOLs not basically a horde?

[narrow sand]

anyone want me to ask the other groups if they want to join the sealclubbing

[narrow sand]

not mechanically

besides we are likely to be dispersed

[shut lodge]

I mean, yes, but not mechanically

[heady plaza]

Shack can make our lives difficult with RAI.

[heady plaza]

We should stay in formation until we land and deploy, then probably pair off.

[storm basin]

Should we get a mod to pin this formation rn?

[real minnow]

Orbitals can be flanked, but Aerospace can't benefit from flanking

[narrow sand]

looks good

[narrow sand]

aerospace cant flank aerospace?

[real minnow]

Planes and VTOLs gain no benefit from flanking. Their movement is too high, and it's too easy for them to do so. It's a balancing thing.

[narrow sand]

fair enough

so, should we go for the frigate?

i tentatively say yes?

[feral yoke]

up to you really, I won't be able to help attack the frigate

[real minnow]

up to you, I know the Elim starport is contested, which is gonna be our primary deployment zone for all battlegroups

[narrow sand]

so probably we should stay on standby?

[real minnow]

I'm not certain, we need some time for everyone to see the intel

[narrow sand]

who is dropping with us on elim?

[quartz bridge]

Depends on if Fluffle can take it out themselves I think.

[narrow sand]

will ask them

[storm basin]

If we are rushing in for T3/4 (I forgot which) we may be before them

As such we might be the only valid BG to land

[feral yoke]

I think if we can get the VTOLs to the surface and into Elim we should be able to hold the starport long enough

[quartz bridge]

In that case we could try to take on the orbital the first round we're there (hopefully with fighter support), and deploy the next round.

[frank ore]

could we just do a drive by and attack the orbital without stoping

[quartz bridge]

idk

[storm basin]

Fair, but… can we do evasive?

[quartz bridge]

don't think so?

[frank ore]

i dont think vtol gets evasive

[storm basin]

Oh yeah…. :(

[narrow sand]

before who?

but yeah

[rancid oasis]

I feel like we need to drop off infantry and such before we try to take on an orbital ourselves

[storm basin]

Everyone else

As we can arrive as early as our BattleGroup’s speed

[quartz bridge]

Ah, drop then engage, I can dig that.

[storm basin]

-# Same for TFs

[rancid oasis]

It would suck if we got blown out of the sky with everyone still waiting to deploy

[narrow sand]

seconded

dont want to lose the crew with the vtols

[quartz bridge]

Maybe that lets a TF or fighter sortie catch up so we can support them in orbital fighting.

as long as it's not too heavy tho

[narrow sand]

from tf3 comms

do we want an escort from them?

for the initial landing

[rancid oasis]

Actually, can an orbital fire it's main guns at VTOLs? There might be a chance they don't have HMG to try and swat us out of the sky

[rancid oasis]

That is my preference

[quartz bridge]

they should be able to

[rancid oasis]

Going in with Fluffle and Rabbit seems like the best combo of speed and combat power

[quartz bridge]

If it's just the frigate we'd probably be fine to land, but there are bandits at the gate, so we need escort up to there at least.

[rancid oasis]

Should I go into their comms and chat with them about it? I'm not sure if that is a TACCOM only thing or not

[narrow sand]

if we can get escort, we should regardless

[heady plaza]

concern

[heady plaza]

I'm of the opinion we shouldn't. Too likely we'll take casualties. Let the TFs and Sorties handle that.

[narrow sand]

agreed, in hindsight

[frank ore]

i don't think we should delay the spaceport over 1 orbital, we could drop off the ground troops then send the orbitals to go hit it

[upbeat lily]

but then we run the risk of having to move infantry speed if we lose more VTOLs then we have infantry

[narrow sand]

agreed

[frank ore]

i dont think we would be in any greater risk in orbit than in atmosphere, even if they dont have large ammounts of AA, at this sacale i expect them to have some

[heady plaza]

Yes. You're extra fucked if they did.

[narrow sand]

are we deploying with rabbits or not?

current situation

[rancid oasis]

Probably need to throw up another poll about it. But I think going in with Rabbit and Fluffle is the best idea

[heady plaza]

If Rabbit is coming in with TF support, I'm for going together.

[feral yoke]

well make it quick would you please

[narrow sand]

sounds good

[feral yoke]

anyhow, I'm logging of for the night, look forward to seeing what plans you come up with

[narrow sand]

does this sound good?

it would let rabbit deploy their full capacity relatively early

and save the allied forces in the mines

[rancid oasis]

We have the capacity to haul extra tanks and mechs? I thought we only had two HVTOLs

[frozen lagoon]

Will note, DF likely coming second wave alongside ultra is doing a full organized push into the mines

[hollow canopy]

We do only have 2 HVTOLs

[narrow sand]

we would only be dropping of their infantry as well as 2 light mechs in this scenario

[upbeat lily]

So we are planning on ignoring the frigate correct?

[rancid oasis]

Ah, I misunderstood, I thought we would be hauling them in on the initial flight

[narrow sand]

yes

[real minnow]

TF 2 would support your attack on the frigate if that ends up being the plan

[narrow sand]

we would be doing two trips

[narrow sand]

that would be another plan

but again, we would be doing that after dropping of our infantry regardless

[real minnow]

I think the timing works out with you deploying first, since it'll take us 2 rounds to get there

[upbeat lily]

I would disagree on attacking the frigate after dropping off troops

[narrow sand]

there is also the option of using the 17 vtols as fighters once they are empty

to help atlas

but the 2 HVTOLs helping rabbits

[upbeat lily]

After all, if we end up losing more VTOLs then we have infantry, then we move at infantry pace

[quartz bridge]

Probably the best we could offer against orbitals is cleanup.

[narrow sand]

what about running ground support for the landing team?

[upbeat lily]

Pretty much we either go “do you want to live forever” and dive the frigate. Or completely ignore it

[narrow sand]

rabbits need some more transport capacity for their infantry

they need 2 vtols and as many HVTOLs as they can get

i am down to send polaris in there

[quartz bridge]

That's proper, assuming our split goes through.

[real minnow]

iirc, enemies will prioritize firing on orbitals over other units, so with our screen, STORM could deliver the punch we don't really have

[quartz bridge]

And would we want 2 engi 1 medi with the air and 1 engi 2 medi with the ground?

[narrow sand]

@frank ore @lean berry are you down with splitting off with me to go with half of rabbits and help them out

then join back with the rest of storm once the frigate is dead and the mines are captured

[quartz bridge]

We couldn't really sortie with just some dudes, we'd have to split Storm Blessed BG into mostly air and mostly ground separate BGs.

[narrow sand]

why

[quartz bridge]

which is one of the things we've discussed, but I'm not sure if we actually have a consensus rn

[narrow sand]

do we need to split

[quartz bridge]

I mean, we could if we can get access to LS

[narrow sand]

oh yeah

we should probably appoint one or two commanders that can make descisions without asking anyone

well

[quartz bridge]

But we can't carry our ground troops and Rabbit's ground troops.

[narrow sand]

informing people

but without consensus

[narrow sand]

we would be taking two trips

simultaneously, the ground troops would all be landed in elim

[quartz bridge]

We'd have to split the BG to take 2 trips, because we'd be leaving our ground in one place or the other.

[narrow sand]

we would be dropping them off in the same place\

[cunning aurora]

Alright. I'm back. Where we at with the planning?

[narrow sand]

first step is decided

[lean berry]

At that point might as well include the orbital supporting troops from Atlas

[quartz bridge]

Ah, I think I had a misconception. How many VTOL Bays does Fluffle have? (my impression had been that Fluffle were deploying Rabbit to Elim, and then doing their thing, and Rabbit wanted us to ferry them to Cell'Dar mine)

[hollow canopy]

:O What's the first step? I wasn't paying attention either.

[narrow sand]

the only thing is what the vtols do after dropping infantry

[narrow sand]

I agree with this choice

[rancid oasis]

Do we really want to wait for Victorum?

[narrow sand]

no

[real minnow]

against the singular frigate, no

[rancid oasis]

I don't, I think it should just be Fluffle, Rabbit, and Storm

[narrow sand]

fluffle+storm+rabbit is in t

[quartz bridge]

Victorum engage the bandits on the gate, Fluffle/Rabbit/Stormblessed push to Elim?

[narrow sand]

yes

[rancid oasis]

We'll be arriving before Victorum

They'll come in some number of turns after us

[true crescent]

Do we have the capacity to take our and rabbits units?

[quartz bridge]

To Elim yes, but to the gate too?

[rancid oasis]

Yes

[narrow sand]

not turn one

we will need two trips

[rancid oasis]

That is my understanding

[narrow sand]

but fluffle can help

[quartz bridge]

Fluffle has the transport capacity for Rabbit but not enough DC?

That's why I'm asking about the VTOL Bays.

[rancid oasis]

Technically we could blitz ourselves five turns before the main fleets arrives, but I don't think that's a good idea either

[quartz bridge]

and how many of their own VTOLs they have

[narrow sand]

I vote for this actually

[narrow sand]

5 units iirc

[true crescent]

We would get obliterated with zero support

[narrow sand]

correct,

[rancid oasis]

No, I think we should go in with Fluffle and Rabbit

[true crescent]

I second

[narrow sand]

i retract this

this is retarded

it would be funny

except we would die and not get to actually play

[true crescent]

Ok so how much of rabbit can we bring with us the first trip?

[narrow sand]

none, but they have their own transports which aught to come with us

[rancid oasis]

None is my understanding of the rules. If TF Fluffle is going to carry BG Rabbit then the entire BG needs to be in Fluffle storage

[narrow sand]

so we can drop at the same time

[narrow sand]

ugh

[quartz bridge]

I see no VTOL Bays looking at Fluffle's sheet, so we can't help them deploy Rabbit.

Because units in cargo need a bay for DC.

[rancid oasis]

Honestly, if I had one req point. I would offer to buy the VTOL Bay upgrade and join Fluffle

[quartz bridge]

Each VTOL Bay offers 2 VTOL deployment per turn.

[true crescent]

Ok so we head in first and establish a beachhead and then turn two start ferrying rabbit down as well

[rancid oasis]

They don't have a VTOL bay

[true crescent]

Ok so we need to grab a starport first

[chrome knoll]

#1382040199797801031 message just a heads up, we had a poll a while ago abt how we should deploy (w/ TF1 or 2/3, pros n cons here:#1382040199797801031 message )tho this is subject to change w/ the intel we now have

[quartz bridge]

If they had VTOL Bays, which they don't if I'm reading them right. They'd deply at the starport, then any ferrying we do would be with a split mostly air BG, leaving the ground BG for later pickup.

[true crescent]

We could try hot dropping right onto a starport and if we can secure it being rabbit in that way

[quartz bridge]

Also, It looks to me like Fluffle only have 2 cargo bays, so couldn't carry all of Rabbit unless they get 1 more. (Because as Shack and Dres told me, the units starting in unit bays must be attached to the TF).

[cunning aurora]

Can VTOLs shoot orbitals?

[quartz bridge]

(assuming Rabbit has the minimum 15 units)

[true crescent]

We think so

[quartz bridge]

yes, just not other aerospace

[cunning aurora]

Any reference for that or just a hunch?

[quartz bridge]

unless they get AA upgrade

let me find it

[cunning aurora]

Not that I'm doubting anyone. But if we're making an attack plan we need to be sure of our capabilities

[true crescent]

We can run it by shack to make sure

[upbeat lily]

We can’t shoot aerospace, we can’t see ground, so I’m assuming we can’t shoot ground either xD

[cunning aurora]

We need people to call in attacks basically on ground targets.

Too slow to hit aerospace, too fast to see ground... makes sense

[narrow sand]

cant vtols just hover?

[true crescent]

VTOL's can hit ground I'm pretty sure

[narrow sand]

i dont see any restriction against aerospace

and we would have a ton of spotters regardless

[cunning aurora]

VTOLs can hit ground targets. They just can't spot them

[chrome knoll]

its not like airforces started off by mainly doing air recon back in 1910s

[quartz bridge]

hmm, I thought I read it in the main rules or the unit/equipment list, I could be wrong

[storm basin]

Those had cameras (and spy planes still do, if I am correct)

[chrome knoll]

tru

[frozen lagoon]

We need recon drones

[narrow sand]

are we deploying alongside fluffle and rabbit, yes or no

[cunning aurora]

Drones aren't gonna be a thing. We have recon spec ops

[narrow sand]

also is atlas joining, yes or no

[real minnow]

Is your target still crossroads?

[cunning aurora]

No

[lean berry]

18D2, 1D4

[narrow sand]

no

[cunning aurora]

Our target is Elim, securing the Space Port

[narrow sand]

rabbit will walk to crossroads once being deployed initially

[cunning aurora]

We are not planning beyond taking and holding elim for now. We can quickly deploy to whichever front looks most dire, no one else is as fast as us. So we're staying in reserves for wave 2.

[real minnow]

we're split in votes on being able to take on the frigate, but in all cases, we'd want some kind of air support to do it

our own roster isn't quite large enough to one-shot it

[narrow sand]

sounds good

gunship should go atleast

I am down to go on this incredibly dangerous mission

after I drop off my squad

I dont want to lock two people out of the game for a whole operation

[quartz bridge]

IIRC we'd like to deploy the ground forces as soon as we get to Elim (we want at least light escort, or escort at least part-way), then if more orbital/aerospace assets show up, we could support them taking down the frigate, or we could do something else.

[narrow sand]

yes

this is also what I have understood

[upbeat lily]

For being against attacking the frigate after dropping off units

[narrow sand]

we will lose infantry units

[quartz bridge]

answer about VTOL AA
#meta-comm message

[narrow sand]

this is inevitable

[narrow sand]

ah

we cannot assist then

[cunning aurora]

Okay we knew about vtol AA. That doesn't answer if we can hit orbitals, they're different afaik

[narrow sand]

ugh

yes we can hit them\

perfect

glorious

[true crescent]

The general consensus seems to be we can hit orbitals with VTOL's

[cunning aurora]

I don't know if we can. I'm just saying that our inability to hit Aerospace doesn't necessarily mean we can't hit orbitals

[shut lodge]

Everything can shoot orbitals I believe

[frozen lagoon]

Except infantry

[shut lodge]

If you’re on the ground, you have to have above range 2

[ember snow]

If it has range

[shut lodge]

But I’m pretty sure if you have a gun and your aerospace or orbital, you can always shoot orbitals

[frozen lagoon]

Infantry 2 range weapons specify no orbital targeting no? Or am i wrong on that?

[shut lodge]

No, you’re correct. Infantry can never shoot orbitals

Even if they have range 2

[narrow sand]

yeah lets go then

[lean berry]

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but no commanders. Just tacticians and strategists making analyses

[cunning aurora]

We're not here to decide what to do for anyone. We facilitate the discussion and communicate the groups decision. We're not commanders, but tac comms

[frozen lagoon]

Wait their AA mentions orbitals

[lean berry]

If Fluffle has the VTOL landing space, I'm game to help them deploy Rabbit faster. We just need to maintain coherency

[true crescent]

I don't think they have any landing bays

[narrow sand]

rabbit is going on mining currently

we will be paired with atlas

[cunning aurora]

Can rabbit deploy itself to a mine?

[hexed prawn]

To sum up:

We will not be able to support during initial fight. If we are able to get on the Mining Frigates, we can maybe support y'all a few turns in, but do not count on it, as we still do not really know how to acquire/get in contact with said Frigates

[cunning aurora]

We're considering going to get the frigates

[hexed prawn]

We mean the mining frigate convoy, not the mines

[cunning aurora]

Since we deploy so quickly we could go to the asteroid, retrieve the frigates, escort them to the gate.

You would then be able to use them right away i would think

[quartz bridge]

Do the mining frigates even have landing gear?

[cunning aurora]

Yes

Convoy // 12 -** Landing Capable**, Transport "Mules" // Weight Class - Light Frigate - Armor 1, Hits 3. Unit Transport Capability - 6 Per Craft. Location: Heading for Mining Station

[hexed prawn]

"landing capable"

[narrow sand]

we have 12

[cunning aurora]

Well there's 12 at the mining station.

Someone would either have to go there first, then board. Or I believe we can just escort them back to the gate.

[narrow sand]

ok, current plan is to drop with atlas support, then have all 19 transports help kill the frigate when the infantry has been dropped off

can someone with perms pin?

[cunning aurora]

that's not the plan

that's a plan

[narrow sand]

true

[cunning aurora]

we haven't decided on exactly what we're doing

[narrow sand]

ok

[narrow sand]

do we like, hold a vote

[cunning aurora]

Yes, but we need to plan out all the other plans first

Right now we're still looking at what the other BGs want to do so we can plan around that

[hexed prawn]

We need to plan all the plans enough that we can plan which plan we want to fully plan

[narrow sand]

fair enough

[hexed prawn]

lol

[hollow canopy]

I plan on it. =v=

[narrow sand]

allright, plan 1 written out

just to clarify so everyone else knows, neither fluffle or rabbits are able to assist

going to afk for a few hours now

[cunning aurora]

If we have Atlas support then they likely won't need help destroying the frigate. And that would need to be a turn later, since we can only descend or ascend once per turn.

[quartz bridge]

Depending on Fluffle's plans, they could perhaps escort us to Elim, but it looks like they can't transfer Rabbit.

[hexed prawn]

At this point according to tabby:

[quartz bridge]

looks like Fluffle hasn't formalized a decision yet

[cunning aurora]

@real crest How many of the Frigates would you guys use? We may be able to get them for y'all.

[real crest]

Uh

Wait this isn't atlas chat

[hollow canopy]

:D This is Storm Blessed

[real crest]

No idea ? So far I've only thrown the idea in Atlas, I do not have the finer details of exact operation procedures.

[quartz bridge]

What do you mean by 'get them'? It's not like we have the AA needed to escort them from where they are in space.

[cunning aurora]

You could use some of those to deploy

[cunning aurora]

There's only a few fighters, we could tank the hits until Atlas arrives

We'd have an opportunity to heal when we get to the Rock Station

[quartz bridge]

Ah, not immediate escort, just screening?

[cunning aurora]

I suppose? We'd be bringing the frigates to the lussan gate, to enable other BGs to immediately deploy with them

[quartz bridge]

Well, they can go there whether we're with them or not, as long as we contact them? Are we not starting from Lussan with TFs (2)/(3), whether or not they escort us to Elim? We determined we would run past the 1 frigate, but not also a blokade before that?

[cunning aurora]

Well we have 2/3 turns to play with before TF2/3 arrive. We could do that before they arrive

[quartz bridge]

Ah, so not go to where the frigate can hit us, only the bandits at Lussan?

[cunning aurora]

This is the core of what I'm imagining currently

[true crescent]

This looks good to me

[quartz bridge]

I see... do we know what round TFs with speed 2 or speed 3 can make Lussan?

[cunning aurora]

TF with Speed 2, would spawn Turn 4 and be able to make it to Lumara.

A speed 3 would spawn in Lussan the turn we want to return to Lussan

[quartz bridge]

I'm a bit confused, but tell me if this is right; The fleet in alt-space is (or was) ~8 distance from Lussan Gate system-side. This means with speed 5 we get to Rock Station turn 2, and speed 2 would get a TF like Atlas to Lussan on turn 4. We repair turn 3 and return to Lussan turn 4. ?

[cunning aurora]

We're not ~8 distance away. We're X turns away. We arrive in order of our speed.
Speed 5 arrives first (Stormblessed)
then Speed 4 a turn later
then Speed 3 (Fluffle)
then Speed 2 (Alas)
then Speed 1 (All the rest)

[quartz bridge]

Ah ok, alt-space just works differently, it's not a distance per se?

[little grail]

It's all about how mobile we are.

[quartz bridge]

Now, we can move the same turn we jump gate into system?

if so is that with our full speed?

[little grail]

Thats a great question

[quartz bridge]

Is this timing confirmed? If so it would mean that a fighter sortie would get there turn -1 relative to our turn 1. But if for example a speed 1 TF were to burn LS to arrive at the timing of a speed 2 TF, would they burn 1 LS, or burn 1 per turn after turn 0 whenever that is?

How many turns pass for the spec-ops guys before we arrive?

[cunning aurora]

#meta-comm message

I was just looking for the reference

We can arrie up to 4 turns before the main fleet, 3 turns before TF2 | Atlas

[quartz bridge]

Or is a TF not allowed to burn LS to go faster in alt-space? (something like a speed just correlating to size as the actual way alt-space might work to transport thing?)

ah, was typing when you answered

"a few turns ahead" is not a precise number of turns though, it's vague.

So that's why I'm confused as to whether there's a distance we're traveling in alt-space, or it works by some other mechanism.

"... speed 1 vehicle will be basically day 1." That sound like the main fleet timing is turn 1, and anything faster is turn 0 or earlier.

[cunning aurora]

I don't think Orbitals can burn LS to arrive turns earlier. He was resistant to allow Afterburners to allow transit speed to be faster. So I doubt it would work for Orbitals

[quartz bridge]

Ok, that's helpful to know, but it doesn't say how early EXACTLY based on speed, do we need to ask for clarification when he's available?

[cunning aurora]

I suppose so. I think it's clear, but that's just my interpretation

[quartz bridge]

In my mind it could be something like [ speed 4-5 arrives system side turn 0, then gets to act turn 1, speed 2-3 is arrive turn 1 act turn 2, speed 1 is arrive turn 2 act turn 3] as an example of how rules might theoretically work.

[cunning aurora]

I understand there's room for interpretation. It just feels arbitrary to group them together. If you're 1 speed faster, your arrive 1 turn earlier

feels much simpler

#meta-comm message

here's the reference for afterburners not working for transit speed

[quartz bridge]

Ah, so tactical speed only. Doesn't that imply that strat speed is different than tac-speed, where we've been assuming they're the same?

[cunning aurora]

They can be different. But only in edge cases like that

[quartz bridge]

mm,ok

thinking

[ember snow]

Are you sure were not all arriving at the same time and then moving at strategic speed?

[cunning aurora]

then you'l show up a few turns ahead of the fleet.

Yes i'm sure

[ember snow]

I just somehow doubt that we are going to run through 5 turns before 75% of the army even arrives. Because then that means no one is landing (for the most part) until turn 7 or 8... and then if theres a battlejam or soemthing at the spaceport. That means we dont really START combat until turn 10 for most folks.....

And historically all previous campaigns have only been ~12-15 turns.

Which I mean, maybe thats the case, but it means this campaign is going to be 30+ turns long

[cunning aurora]

I mean you're only extending the campaign by 4 turns... it's not insane

[ember snow]

It's not 4 turns. Thats 4 or 5 turns to spawn in at the Lussan gate. At speed 1, thats another 2 turns just to GET to Elim city to unload end of turn 6 or 7... and if there a 'bottlejam of sorts' that measn some might not even get off until 9 or 10....

And we'll have used up half of the historical timer before boots are on the ground.

NOT that its a bad thing to have a longer game, if thats what the GMs want to do. Fine by me.

[quartz bridge]

In the less likely rules-scenario where alt-space has distance, what you inferred about 1 less speed being 1 turn later makes no sense. In the more-likely rules scenario where alt-space has a different mechanism for how long it takes to jump, then there's no reason to assume that any given timing per speed is the default over others, and any ratio of turns to speed (2:1, 1:1, 1:2) is equally simple, which means I don't think your interpretation is obvious in this case either.
@cunning aurora

[cunning aurora]

Okay. So you disagree with me. But what's your point?

[quartz bridge]

Just that we should ask for clarification is all.

[cunning aurora]

I ain't stopping you from asking.

[quartz bridge]

which I see you are open to (so nothing against you), but I did want to explain my reasoning that it's not obvious to me

[steady stream]

Are we still planing to land on the city?

[cunning aurora]

Yes. The question is if we're doing something beforehand

We could (maybe) deploy several turns before our escort arrives.

We may be able to retrieve the convoy that was mentioned in the midround events

and escort them back to the lussan gate, so that a BG or two can use them to deploy further into the map

There is some debate on how much earlier we arrive or if we arrive earlier at all or just move faster to the planet...

But Shack is streaming MechWarriors atm so he can't answer questions

[true crescent]

Alright so the general consensus outside of the speed shenanigans is that we hotdrop onto Elim and nab the starport letting the rest of the BG's unload via NPC transports and the like. Then transition to a mobile QRF force to deploy where needed

At least that's what I draw from everything

[cunning aurora]

Yeah we're still planning on doing that. It's just a questino of timeframe

[little grail]

Do we on purpose slow a bit to allow more of the fleet to show up with us

Or do we speed ahead to get to Aurora

[cunning aurora]

I think the current concensus is to wait for Atlas (TF2) with whom we will assault the city.

But Atlas moves at speed 2. We move at speed 5. We theoretically have 3 additional turns to do stuff (if my interpretations of deployment speed is correct)

[vast lodge]

And I think there still the idea of t1 using a ls to join but not sure

[cunning aurora]

TF1 is no longer going to Elim

They're going to the southern nav point to fight their fleet directly

[quartz bridge]

this does seem proper

[vast lodge]

I believe you would start on 5 with your full movement so you would have 3 turn or 15 movements but alone

The question is how many enemy are going to be at the gate they could leave or more could come or they just stay there we can’t tell but it up to you guys

[heady plaza]

Yes. We don't have to move at all.

[narrow sand]

what if there is a timer before the allied forces fall though?

its not as if the enemy will stay idle as we pick apart their defences

[bleak robin]

@feral yoke amazing job, thanks for the assist.

[kind oyster]

Seems like the Party Already Started

I guess we are kicking it up a few Notches when we get in there?

[shut lodge]

@cunning aurora sorry for the ping just wanted to check in what’s your current plan? Are you still taking the space port to relieve mat?

[shut lodge]

Also did shack say anything about how long you needed to survive? Or if you are gonna have to roll for it?

[lean berry]

Yes, we're taking the Elim City spaceport. Just an ongoing debate about how soon.

[rough sage]

I like this alot (assuming its not outdated). We know there are allies at Damar, so at worst you will be meeting up with other aeroforce assets to help if the fighters at the gate chase after you/arnt dealt with.

[real minnow]

If everything goes according to plan, Atlas should arrive at Elim at T=5 (Enter gate at T=4, one turn to get there). Storm enters the gate at T=1

[vast lodge]

There was a combat roll to see generally how well we did which was a positive roll and with our choices shack said we hold the starport so not sure for how long but unless something changes I think you guys have decent amount of time

[little grail]

Aurora will forever go down as the badass tip of the spear that held the line in advance of the main force. that's some movie stuff right there man

[earnest mural]

Aurora on its way to becoming a legend like dawn bringer.

[lean berry]

This whole Saber / Aurora Spec Ops/Special Forces bit gives me serious "Black Hawk Down" vibes, in the best way possible.

[bleak robin]

Personally, this was the imagery I got: https://youtu.be/JGWfUwtAQEY?si=TiKyaX9bAw7jJyQm

Also, good luck to you all if you guys still intend to rush the city, what with the heavy enemy resistance in the region

[true crescent]

I'm sure we can hang on for 5 turns

[untold pine]

If we die. We die

[true crescent]

I didn't go through hell on titan just to die here, we are all going to live forever

[untold pine]

Nah, die the good death and go to Vallahala

Btw, any change in plans since the intel came in?

[narrow sand]

exactly

5 turns for 19 units seems quite reasonabke

its urban too

and we can kill anything lightly armoured with a shit ton of noseguns

[lean berry]

This is Tigrium's current plan

Other plans have been suggested, I think.

[narrow sand]

turn 4 is a bit later then idea

do we need to escort the frigs back to the gate?

or is it to meet with atlas

[little grail]

It's about to look a lot like Blackhawk Down up in this shiznit

[narrow sand]

yeah thats probably the best plan

[untold pine]

Ok, I think that seems reasonable

[rancid tundra]

is this a plan where we come in 3 turns early?

[bleak robin]

What do they want the frigates for? Evac the civilians off world?

[narrow sand]

this looks good to me

[lean berry]

3 turns earlier than TF2 Atlas, 4 turns earlier than the general for fleet, yes

[slow hazel]

Ah alright. Otherwise I was getting extremely worried for the spec ops crew

We can’t afford to lose them

[lean berry]

Help move our troops. The Light Frigate 'Mules' are presumably Speed 2, and have landing gear, so can get our battlegroups to more areas faster.

[rancid tundra]

so that turn 5 is actually "turn 1" then?
plan looks good

[bleak robin]

I was under the impression the NPC transport Shack was refering to wasn't refering to these Frigates.

[lean berry]

There's two sets

[rancid tundra]

the npc transports just let anyone go to a starport that we have secured

[lean berry]

The automated ARMCO Freighters without landing gear and speed 1

[rancid tundra]

the frigates let people land on the planet to help take the starport

[bleak robin]

Ah, ok, I get what you guys mean. Only thing would be that they can't carry many human sized personnel compared to similarly sized vessels.

[lean berry]

I think that was more flavor than mechanics

[rancid oasis]

Interesting, using the extra turns on the map to help out the Lumar on the station. Risky but could give us a hell of a lot of extra DC

[true crescent]

I mean what else are we really gonna do with 5 extra turns

Might as well imo

[rancid oasis]

I think there is still some merit to just waiting to go with the TF2/3. But I'm not opposed to it, it's a calculated risk

[heady plaza]

STORM,

Given the new intel we have suggesting that SAR and EVAC missions may occur, I propose an administrative division of BG3 into a ground detachment and a VTOL wing to allow for increased flexibility.

STORM BLESSED will continue to operate as an airmobile QRF group, but would be afforded the option of separating if necessary in order to fulfill objectives as needed.

I would like to open the floor to comments.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1be_pfeSJSAhLZGLliGhP7SWduCbwIBjK0mQ5ecmIKv4/edit?usp=sharing
#1382040199797801031 message

[narrow sand]

its probably worth it

[true crescent]

So does this mean the ground detachment no longer gets vtol support and will stay behind while the VTOL's help with evac or do they come with

[heady plaza]

Operate as a coherent Joint BG.

STORM BLESSED could continue to operate as an airmobile QRF group, but would be afforded the option of separating if necessary in order to fulfill objectives as needed.

We try to stick together if possible - but this allows us to move between strategic points as necessary - for example, getting civvies out of a hot zone so that they can be transported out by the frieghters.

[rancid tundra]

I voted against this the first time but I've come around
its a good idea

[true crescent]

Ok because rn it's looking like we are getting charged with the main defence of elim once it's secured

[narrow sand]

I agree with this reform

[exotic lion]

the real question is what would BG 3.5 be named

[narrow sand]

storm blessed still

or windrunners

to keep with the theme

[real minnow]

Cyclone

[heady plaza]

... There are like 5 other BGs that are speed 1, they are much better suited to being bogged down.

[rancid tundra]

storm blessed: lightning (vtols)
storm blessed: thunder (ground)

[real minnow]

-# ignore me

[rancid oasis]

Are we? I assumed we would get try to go on the offensive and keep bot numbers down

[heady plaza]

I'll put a 72 hour poll up around <t:1750129200>. Keep discussing while it runs its course!

[true crescent]

I haven't seen anyone else offer to defend it

[bleak robin]

Might need to clarify if a full VTOL BG is legal.

[true crescent]

Although we might be able to get dwarf or rabbit to to do it

[rancid oasis]

I really like Windrunners for the ground forces, but I'm a Sanderson fan

[exotic lion]

a full vtol BG is not legal im pretty sure, thats why a couple support units would need to be tied with it

[heady plaza]

We have a support detachment with ground units attached.

[rancid tundra]

if not we just have an engineer sit in the vtol bg
or the spec ops

[heady plaza]

see the infographic. please

[real minnow]

We only need to defend it until the BGs get there

[rancid tundra]

ah I missed that

[narrow sand]

split it to windrunners and skybreakers

[heady plaza]

Well, they can figure it out, we ain't getting bogged down in a contested city.

We're airmobile - we lose our mobility, we die.

[narrow sand]

is there a poll somewhere?

[heady plaza]

I'm putting up one rn.

[narrow sand]

perfect

put a name for the bg too, the votes should be paired so you vote for both the names at once

also, what are we going to do about the fighter patrolling the gate

[true crescent]

Run past it I guess

[narrow sand]

we litterally dont have anything that can deal with it

[true crescent]

Not unless we can bring our own fighter with us

[narrow sand]

is it too late to recruit a player or two to be a fighter?

[rancid oasis]

Battalion: The Storm Blessed
Battlegroup: Skybreakers
Battlegroup: Windrunners

[rancid oasis]

We have no way to keep it in the fight

[narrow sand]

exactly

[heady plaza]

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[narrow sand]

ohhh yeah i forgot about fuel restriction

[true crescent]

We can try the pizza trick again

[heady plaza]

We'll do a name vote if the split vote goes through.

[narrow sand]

good idea

[heady plaza]

Also @fiery summit are you still willing to be a TACCOM if the split goes through?

[fiery summit]

Yeah I’d be willing

[hollow canopy]

:O Stuff and things

[lean berry]

Oooh, what did I miss...

[fiery summit]

Haven’t been paying as much attention (readying for my UK trip) but I’ve supported splitting for quite a bit now.

[heady plaza]

Me trying to pass the split vote after Shack not-so-subtly encouraged us (... well, the entirety of ARMCO) to split into smaller BGs so that we are more flexible.

Unrelated: Only the TFs and BG-DF have more messages in a thread than we do.

[little grail]

@heady plaza I would volunteer for the standby medic in the VTOL, if TAXI is okay with that.

[lean berry]

We have Autiepup's AA MBT

[little grail]

do we have any LRMs?

[heady plaza]

... Can't deploy a tank in space?-

[rancid tundra]

in a hvtol
where it will remain while we are in space

[heady plaza]

Please don't deploy the tank while in space, I don't want to explain how we lost an entire MBT-

[little grail]

world's first orbital drop MBT

[heady plaza]

*note: did not survive

[heady plaza]

Nope. Not on our VTOLs, either.

Run away from fighters, basically.

[little grail]

balls

[kind oyster]

Do we have Combat Medics per chance?

[heady plaza]

Nope. Might have some in other BGs?

[little grail]

There are 2 total across the fleet

and 2 medical corps

After this mission I think we'll see a lot more

[kind oyster]

Would have suggested Combat Medics stay Ground side with ground forces if so

[little grail]

That would have been ideal, agreed.

[lean berry]

I was more so saying for shooting any fighters once we land. Before then... 🎵 "Just keep flying. Just keep flying. What do we do? We fly, fly, fly." 🎶

[little grail]

https://tenor.com/view/coming-helicopter-tank-flying-tank-soldier-gif-17054649

[kind oyster]

tbh we should ask the captain if we could get the Upgrade from SC2 Coop unde Mengsk that lets Tanks shoot their Guns while being Carried by Intercessors

aka VTOLs

[lean berry]

Well, EverClear, you're certainly earning your Adjutant title. Part admin, part recruiter, part liaison, and part proposer.

[heady plaza]

amusement

Reminds me of my IRL job as Admin - If I'm not 3 steps ahead, I'm 10 steps behind.

[hollow canopy]

Hehehe... Siege Tanks. =v=

[heady plaza]

VOTE:

Info on Proposal: #1382040199797801031 message
Poll: #1382040199797801031 message

[upbeat lily]

Ground forces are going to be hurting for supplies real quick if the air detachment doesn't stick around for very long

[heady plaza]

Yeah, but we are only supposed to disappear for repair/resupply (and maybe Evac).
We could also transfer another VTOL+ENGI.

[steady stream]

Is there anything i need to catch up on?

Other than the vote

[rancid tundra]

did you catch the scouting in #midround-events ?

if so I think you're good for now

[steady stream]

Alr cool, I already all of those 😉

[real minnow]

does Storm have a patch?

I feel like I should request one for our 1 VTOL pilot when we do the bees-vs-frigate battle.

[kind oyster]

we dont have a patch but i think we have a logo instead

somewhere

[full lagoon]

(ears prick up) i was mentioned?

[real crest]

...are thoses cat ears ?

[full lagoon]

nope just regular human ones. the puppy side has not been out in many many years

[real crest]

Damn.

[lone sandal]

French. Get back to your tank brigade. Leave the poor suicidal people alone.

[real crest]

aww... :(

[bleak robin]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-anime-cat-ears-puppy-ears-catgirl-gif-16567059707822684207

[full lagoon]

sorry. the pup side is heavily linked emotionally to some people in my life so needs to be carefully brought out under controlled conditions

[storm basin]

‘Controlled’ eh?

https://tenor.com/view/gilby-hollow-knight-abyss-abyss-shriek-geebz-gif-21624954

[bleak robin]

https://tenor.com/view/she-can’t-dance-but-she’s-still-vibin-cat-girl-neko-girl-neko-tan-black-cat-girl-gif-2947855792717979268

Meow!

[full lagoon]

ha ha. not faklling for that bark i mean bull

[bleak robin]

Hmm. How about this!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308851397758287873/400580130105327630/kekeke.gif

[full lagoon]

ah its so cute.....insert very dirty jokes here

[bleak robin]

https://tenor.com/view/pervert-anime-gif-8409011

[real crest]

HELLO

I've heard you guys are splitting into 2 BGs if I understood correctly ?

Can I get more info on that for the Ops Log ? As in, numbers, name, spreadsheet link maybe if you made a new one ? 👀

[storm basin]

We;re voting on it rn

Your friend just read the poll early which is all in favour of said thing

[real crest]

Oooh. Okay.

Well let me know when the poll ends then

[storm basin]

Btw all in favour as basically all for

[bleak robin]

Well ya, I'm literally in a BG that's supposed to be the intel guys, after all. :p

[storm basin]

It’s like 15 to 4

[real crest]

1 PACK OF CIGARETTES ON THE 4 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(do i have a gambling addiction guys ?)

[bleak robin]

Yes.

[real crest]

aw.

[lean berry]

Yeah, just talking about how you're our primary AA once we land. If any fighters follow us down.
-# Others took me to mean I wanted to deploy you in space

[true crescent]

So if we do split the BG into two parts will we get a second channel or keep just this one

[lean berry]

4 more on this and that will be the majority

[lean berry]

Good question, I think we can probably keep with one chat, but have two BG numbers

(I know EverClear wants BG3 and BG13)

[real crest]

BG13's already taken sadly

[lean berry]

Mhm

He was talking with AutoDave about there being a switcheroo

We could always ping @ Dresden or someone and ask for channel renaming

[cunning aurora]

We could go with 33

Honestly we might not even need a new chat. We're still operating as one unit, not two. So our communications shouldn't be disjointed

[true crescent]

^

No reason to make communication harder

[lean berry]

Mhm

I was just saying we could ask a mod to rename our comm channel to something like "Battlegroups 3 & 13 - The Storm Blessed: Comms"

[chrome knoll]

or we can go for smth like BG-3A and BG-3B or smth if thats allowed
example:
Ground BG: Battlegroup 3-Alpha - The Storm Blessed - Thunder (abbreviation: [BG-3A: SB-T])
VTOL BG: Battlegroup 3-Beta - The Storm Blessed - Lightning
(abbreviation: [BG-3B: SB-L])
edited to sync w/ proposed plan

[lean berry]

That could also work

[bleak robin]

Or just call yourself The Storm and The Blessed.

[chrome knoll]

eh, doesn't feel the same as [Storm Blessed] in my opinion, but yea we can do that

[lean berry]

I'd agree ☝️

[weary apex]

I'm already not a fan of splitting us up and changing our operating procedure, so a name split I'm definitely against

[lean berry]

Would it be accurate to say that you joined this BG for a particular strategy and deployment style? And that this proposed administrative split seems to be a step away from that goal?

[heady plaza]

... it was for a joke, but he did ay yes!

[heady plaza]

this

[weary apex]

Well it seems that the INF section, the strike force, is a lot less mobile from what I read. So yea it does seem to step away from this vanguard/QRF idea. But maybe I'm wrong cuz I couldn't follow everything while sleeping

[lean berry]

The tldr is that nothing would change 70-90% of the time. We'd still be moving quickly from one battle to another. We'd still operate on the VTOL-ground unit pairings in the doc. VTOLs would still drop off units and then run CAS.

This would mainly give us an option should the need arise for the VTOL Wing (which wouldn't be all the VTOLs) to move to another strategic point to resupply/evac civilians/perform Search-And-Rescue.

Plus, all of that would be assuming the ground detachment was in defensible position which they would have been holding for a few turns anyways.
The VTOL Wing wouldn't be abandoning the the Ground Detachment or leave them stranded.

[chrome knoll]

hm, i think i can see where ur coming from, and i'd say that the main idea behind us splitting BGs de-jure is for edge-case scenarios where flexibility of the VTOL grp helps, otherwise we wont be splitting above msg explains better

in short: the split is only for more flexibility, n we'll practically continue acting as one singular BG

[true crescent]

Well we got clarification