Battlegroup 2 - Venator: Comms

[errant pine]

Remember, Venator is a heavy armor group.

[quasi scarab]

true, but I feel like having a HVTOL around in said heavy armour could be useful eventually. That or I join the 212th if I aint needed but we'll see

[errant pine]

Oh I fully believe that VTOLs and their variants could be as at home in a frontline BG as in a logi one. I do legitimately think that it makes sense to leave a HVTOL and a logi truck in Venator to be able to provide as close to guarenteed when needed as aid as possible.

I was more meaning to address the carrying a mech around. lol
Venator can't take air only paths, so LMs aren't going to reach their top speed on the strategic map anyway.

[strong shoal]

Yo in our pdf file someone has write on line b from 700ish lane to 2000+ that's dedication 😂

[real kite]

So fellas we may need to revise the plan

Since we’ll be landing in Elim

[distant olive]

Ill just follow the tanks xD

[errant pine]

Elim -> L-H -> Crossroads -> Ziyal is still an option.

[real kite]

That’s the prevailing theory, yeah

[mellow briar]

Missed anything?

[errant pine]

I don't think there's been anything since your last checkin

This might've been between your checkins...

• "As head Logi blah blah I seriously suggest our logi or fighters switch over to the 212th. After seeing other BGs do the same I think it's an amazing idea" - XSword
• a couple BGs (DF and Storm) have split their logi from their ground combat forces
• and the TFs/Storm have been chatting about deployment speeds and where they'd go from there.

[sage crane]

We’re waiting on our guniea pig battlegroups to get the situation on the ground first

No point saying well beeline for Ziyal if Elim is the literal last bastion and everywhere else is scorched earth

It is a defend mission after all

[wary sundial]

I consider that highly unlikely but yeah, makes sense

we are still gonna NPC drop / get carried by NPC ships right?

[smoky junco]

You say that but we need to take out the factories ASAP

We need to be agressive and defend at the same time, so not allow the bots to overwhelm us

And we must NOT loose anyone

[oblique glen]

That’s hope

But anyway I think our HATs will be more exposed than anything when go for for Elim city

So what are we going to do about it

[dusty nimbus]

not much we can do besides hoping the forces ahead of us can clear out the air defenses

[oblique glen]

That’s a strong if

So are we really gonna wait for everyone else to land

[dusty nimbus]

storm will get there ahead of us

i think rabbit too

they should be able to get us a foothold

[oblique glen]

But storm is waiting for backup

[dusty nimbus]

they'll still likely get there a turn ahead of us at least. they just didnt want to be too far ahead

[oblique glen]

Okay then

[dusty nimbus]

i assume our task forces will be covering us with fighters too

we should be relatively safe

(hopefully)

[oblique glen]

I recommend we don’t assume that

[dusty nimbus]

yeah, we'll have to see how things end up

[oblique glen]

True

I’m more worried about the other problem will face

[tranquil saddle]

The Bots

[oblique glen]

Yeah they have a lot of stuff

[tranquil saddle]

Of course

They FACTORIES

WE ARE FUCKED

[oblique glen]

Well we have grit and determination to fight

[tranquil saddle]

Shack blast the factories

[dusty nimbus]

and 3 AP on our mbts

should do the trick

[tranquil saddle]

And 1AP for my javelin

[oblique glen]

Hopefully

[quasi scarab]

You're scared of some factories?
brother, we shall burn them to the ground and send the clankers fleeing from this system their wires between their legs.

[tranquil saddle]

I am scared of their swarm and ODT capabilities and

Yeah

Lack of info

[quasi scarab]

a swarm is just a target rich environement

[oblique glen]

No

[tranquil saddle]

For a nuke yes

[oblique glen]

It’s the least environment we need right now

[tranquil saddle]

Also they do not FEAR

[quasi scarab]

Then we'll make them learn fear. or at least the robot equivalent to that.

[tranquil saddle]

They are not squishy meat sacks with brain that can retreat and chase em diwn

[quasi scarab]

if we let them get to us mentally, we're already doomed.

[tranquil saddle]

Fr

Still

Scrap the clankers and use their body parts

[quasi scarab]

it wont be easy or painless, but we'll do fine.
we'll have plenty of scrap metal afterwards as well.

[tranquil saddle]

For MONEH

[dusty nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[static galleon]

At least this time we know for a fact we're not gonna drop on the highest concentration of AA flak on the map so we're already better off than last time intel wise

[quasi scarab]

stromchaser PTSD

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-5099501693730168061

[static galleon]

For prosthetics

Killing them will make us stronger

[quasi scarab]

praise the omnissiah

[static galleon]

I figured you'd say that lol

[quasi scarab]

the flesh is weak (but deeds endure)

wait, saying that feels like clanker propaganda.
note to self: no admech jokes for the operation.

[tranquil saddle]

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you.

[oblique glen]

I like my flesh thank you

[static galleon]

I like the idea of a field medic giving someone a bot limb as a makeshift prosthetic though

Would be a cool rp bit

Say an infantry squad gets hit by enemy tank fire or mines

[tranquil saddle]

Hey that's cool didn't know we had a bot in our squad sir I am a human obliterated by a tank shell

[static galleon]

The machine is immortal

[oblique glen]

Not really

Machines rust away or stop working

[tranquil saddle]

Good maintenance

Keeps it going

[oblique glen]

For how long

[errant pine]

Long enough for a replacement to be fabricated.

[tranquil saddle]

Indeed

[oblique glen]

Curses

There’s only one thing we can do

We drop a moon on it

Mutual destruction

[tranquil saddle]

IM GONNA PISS ON THE MOON SONIC

[tame mango]

great now that's stuck in my head

that whole video

[oblique glen]

Look when all options are done we drop Tora on them

[tranquil saddle]

I say blow up the planet

[tame mango]

perhaps we would be covering evac for the planet if things get to rough?

[oblique glen]

With what

We have plenty of ground not a lot of air

[tame mango]

we shield as the otters get refugees out.

[tame mango]

in this bg or the opp as a whole?

[tranquil saddle]

I say we steamroll everything and have 0 clankers lying around

[oblique glen]

In the BG

[tranquil saddle]

We win by annihilation

[tame mango]

i was talking at an operation level, yea this bg cant really win an air war, but we aren't alone.

[tame mango]

Scrapping all the Clankers is the goal.

[errant pine]

Agreed. If it’s at the point of covering an evac, we’d have TF based fighters and bombers participating as well.

[tame mango]

I'm sticking to this group to keep some local air defense, but if the 212th comes up with some big air op, example see operation free bird in v3 , id be happy to assist if you need an extra fighter.

[errant pine]

I appreciate the offer, and if that were to happen I’d definitely send a call out. Current aim for the 212th is more supply runs and gun runs since we’ll be going in and out of an area with an airfield.

This message was more meaning TF Fluffle, TF Atlas, and TF Victorum since if it’s a “cover the evac” scenario they’d be with the BGs and they’ve got a decent concentration of fighters and bombers last I looked.

(Forgot to reply to the message…but it’s the one about TF support)

[tame mango]

Ah ok, had assumed 212th had a bunch of fighters already since the request went out, like you were trying to make a ATC/logi hybrid. Venator is definitely more of a hammer rather than a shield force⚒️ 😅

[oblique glen]

You think but surprisingly we’re not there yet

[errant pine]

To be completely honest, I figured HATs and Fighters would be the easiest to recruit due to providing the added flexibility and whatnot, but Dresden is our only fighter at the moment.

[tranquil saddle]

Oh

Sad

Still logi bg is so good

[tame mango]

Damn only one fighter? how many HATs?

[errant pine]

But you’re right that my vision for the 212th had been a mix of logi and fighters.

[tame mango]

oops ping?

thought i accidently pinnged you, my b guess i didnt

[errant pine]

1 fighter at the moment and 2 HATs though one isn’t sure if it wants to leave their TF or not.

[errant pine]

No worries!

[errant pine]

It is, and we’ve seen several BGs split ground combat into 1 branch and logi into another and run with 2 BGs. Captain has even supported the Logi BG idea. But my late start and idea of others not being self-sufficient has made the recruitment challenging.

[tame mango]

hmm. looks like people are going with "integrated support" rather than "dispersed support" it would seem. the late start does make it difficult as some people are attached to their BGs already...

[tranquil saddle]

Yep

Anyways

[errant pine]

I’m also noticing reduced activity. In here for instance, you’re the only fighter I’ve seen chat since the one that joined a TF before I had the 212th ready.

[tranquil saddle]

3 DAYS TILL THE WAR WOOOOOOO

[oblique glen]

I like to point out we can also give everyone supplies to use there abilities that consume one supply

[errant pine]

One thing I’m excited about is actually the staggered starts.

Means we could actually have intel, and I’m a guy that likes knowing things. Haha

[tranquil saddle]

All of us do

[west aspen]

STORM and DWARF both split already.

[tame mango]

Intel wins wars as much as logistics

[errant pine]

😜 tell that to the Titan blind vs delayed deployment vote. Lol

[oblique glen]

I didn’t even vote 😜

[errant pine]

Armco likes to charge head first into things. It works out, cause we’re Armco and we’re good and using what we got. But I’m definitely glad to have at least some intel by the faster units that we can work off of.

[tranquil saddle]

Lol we was feeling goofy😝

[sage crane]

It works when we have some 5 times the amount of units the enemy has concentrated in a small area

Now when we have no idea of a stronger foes capabilities? And we're spread out over many maps?

Not such a good idea

[oblique glen]

It’s fine

We can do a rush job again

Besides isn’t it exciting attacking a enemy who has a long range weapon

[tranquil saddle]

I love keeping myself in the brink of a heart attack

[oblique glen]

Why

[sage crane]

…we’re literally waiting for intel

[oblique glen]

Sure this time we are

[oblique glen]

I know

[smoky junco]

…no

[oblique glen]

Live a little

[smoky junco]

We will do that AFTER we land

THEN we plunder anything not nailed down and murder the bots

[oblique glen]

We probably can’t plunder everything

Remember there’s still people here who live there

[smoky junco]

https://youtu.be/3Qx-KBDi9Ic

[tranquil saddle]

Plunder the bots

Aye

Fill our only logi truck with bot parts

And boom

Free pirate ship orbital

[smoky junco]

No you think to small

FREE PIRATE ARMY!

[oblique glen]

Wait you’re not thinking of capturing them

The bots

Stupid auto correct

[tranquil saddle]

YES WE ARE WITH THAT BEAUTIFUL ODEA

[smoky junco]

PIRATE

ROBOT

ARMY

[tranquil saddle]

HELLLL YEEEAAAHAHHHHH

YEEEAHHHHH

FREE PIRATE ARMY

[smoky junco]

WE CAPTURE THE FACTORIES

[tranquil saddle]

PLUNDER THE AGRO COFFEE WPRLDS

[smoky junco]

GIVE ME COMMAND

[tranquil saddle]

YOU ARE A TAC COM

[smoky junco]

of the robots you scaly wag!

[tranquil saddle]

CAPTURE ANYTHING IN ZIYAL

THATS NOT BOLTED

[smoky junco]

…so the foundations aswell?

[tranquil saddle]

GET THERE FACTORIES, THERE BUILDINGS

[tranquil saddle]

Make the moon an orbital

[smoky junco]

Ok we aren’t stealing a city

[tranquil saddle]

Like gurren laga

[tranquil saddle]

Aw

[smoky junco]

We’ve gone from pirate robot army to WAAAAAAAGH

[tranquil saddle]

That's not plundering

WAAAAGH

[smoky junco]

We’re stealing the factories though!

[tranquil saddle]

Oh hell yeah

We are

We need them factories

[smoky junco]

But yeah I don’t think shack will let us make a attack moon

a attack asteroid, maybe

[tranquil saddle]

Naw blow up the gate

[oblique glen]

Why would we steal a entire moon

[tranquil saddle]

SO I CAN PISS ON THE MOON SONIC

[oblique glen]

No

[tranquil saddle]

We can attach big thrusters and big guns and make it an orbital

[tranquil saddle]

Yes

[smoky junco]

Why not

[tranquil saddle]

If I can do a rush job I can piss on the moon

We are pirates after all

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-sonic-sonic-adventure-sonic-adventure2-the-moon-gif-22530768

[oblique glen]

No

[smoky junco]

for the record, I didn’t start the moon thing

im for a pirate robot army!

[tranquil saddle]

Yea

Love a little

[oblique glen]

You started the stealing idea

[tranquil saddle]

Nope

[smoky junco]

Yes, I’m a pirate

[oblique glen]

I don’t think we can do that

[smoky junco]

what else do you expect from me

[tranquil saddle]

We are tactically acquiring asset's

[smoky junco]

IVE DONE IT BEFORE AND ILL DO IT AGAIN!

[oblique glen]

Where would we put it

[smoky junco]

….we can work that out later

[tranquil saddle]

STEAL

Strategical
Transfer
Equipment to
Alternate
Location

[oblique glen]

How would this be possible

I’m now I’m down for robot army

But not moon heist

[tranquil saddle]

Yes the moon heist is a must

We will be the most feared merc company

With that rep we getting them dolla bills

[oblique glen]

Idk about that during a invasion we saved people and stole their moon

[tranquil saddle]

Tell them we're fortifying it

[slate hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-18200364

[tranquil saddle]

Both

Both is good

[ebon jacinth]

Siegify!

[oblique glen]

Fort

[slate hemlock]

Fortyge

[oblique glen]

Sortyge

[vagrant frigate]

So what did I miss?

[oblique glen]

This

[oblique glen]

And this

[vagrant frigate]

okay so we sourced out our logi

[oblique glen]

Nope

Other people have but currently we haven’t

Dave is trying to make a all logistics battle group

And that’s all I feel comfortable saying right now

[vagrant frigate]

okay thanks for the intel. I caught something in China so I am not always up to speed

[oblique glen]

Hang in there then

[median sail]

It's had the normal discord slow down. Normally campaigns have had just a few days sign up

[modest shale]

Aye most are checking in and waiting now which is completely understandable, speaking of which how we doing today?

[oblique glen]

Meh

[modest shale]

Mehs a win in my book

[oblique glen]

Not really if everyone is quiet

So you have questions you can ask Dave

[modest shale]

I've been active so there isn't any new things to discuss for me besides the occasional memeing.

[tranquil saddle]

I'm guh

[supple beacon]

Evening lads i know its been a bit since i last talked here, so any news?

[tranquil saddle]

Welp not much

[modest shale]

Glad to hear it mates aloha

[tranquil saddle]

Logi group sorting and all that

Also we stealing the bot factories

[ebon jacinth]

We're committing rapid-onset communism?

[tranquil saddle]

Tactical material acquiring

[modest shale]

Reduce Reuse Recycle

Reduce them to Scrap, Reuse the giblets, Recycle into getting SAM even more bodies to control for funsies.

[tranquil saddle]

Yippeee

New upgrade idea

Call of SAM

Deploys 4 fs bot squad

But it's used by sam

Is a D4 dice

With 2 uses

So call them 2 times

[modest shale]

Giving cheese a funny incampaign ability id say was well earned id be all for it

[tranquil saddle]

Of course

[smoky junco]

No, RAPID ONSET PIRATISM!

[willow osprey]

Wait, is there a chance I’d be the only HAT in the BG?

Also morning y’all

[muted quail]

Hello.
Dave’s talking about the 212th Logi BG.
There’s currently 2 HATs, 1 Fighter, 2 HVTOLs, 1 VTOL, and 2 LMs.
We’re looking for HATs and fighters since we’d be moving back and forth to the airfield really quickly.
It started out of concern that Fighters, Bomber, and HATs wouldn’t have much to do after initial deployment.

[willow osprey]

Where is the 212th operating? I might be persuaded to join if Venator is good for transports

[muted quail]

The 212th is operating out of the airfeild, but we'll be moving between BGs that need supplies

[willow osprey]

@sage crane I’ll be swapping over to 212th to do logi runs, I’ll still be helping Venator out with supplies but I won’t be apart of the armor push

[sage crane]

👍

[modest shale]

Thanks mini, see you out there

[severe crane]

ive been off and on about what we are doing, and being busy as of now doesnt help, whats the game plan, and when are orders due?

[errant pine]

That said, Venator will be exiting the gate T3 on the Automated Freighters and then make landfall T5ish as long as the path has been cleared.

[severe crane]

cool do we still need to put orders for T1 till T4 to say we are on standby or do we just wait to put in our orders until whatever turn that we make landfall

[errant pine]

It was asked, but I'm not sure it was really answered in a way that fully answered.

[muted quail]

My understanding is if you're in BG storage (On the autmated frighters) then you don't need to put in orders

[wanton tundra]

Yes that is correct. You are kind of just in limbo until you declare you’re on a task force or on a transport and you have no reason to do that until you get to your destination

Makes it easier to keep track of things too

[sage crane]

To sum up no orders till T5 earliest

[strong shoal]

Fellow artillery units we should suggests plans of corporations and how to split very soon so as to help the whole battlegroup

[strong shoal]

Just to have a small briefing not too much detail if any of the artillery units see this @ me plz

[cunning ermine]

Heya, TF2:Atlas here.

We've picked up another Heavy Drop Pod, and have room for another Light Mech/2 PAI. If you'd like to be on the front lines at Elim Starport, let me know!
-# not to poach, just providing an option

[sage crane]

You guys know you then have to pick those guys back up right 🤣

[cunning ermine]

Yup. We got HATs for near airfield deployment, and plan to retrieve all deployed units from Elim once the BGs show up.

Also working closely with Storm and Iron Hammer, who have HVTOLs they can lend us in a pinch.

[west aspen]

Hey @supple beacon ,

What's the plan for re-arming your fighters? We can't really afford to take such a critical BG off the front lines (Enemy is implied to be armored, and you are our best anti-armor BG), but I don't see how you are going to re-arm them after they've fired otherwise.

[wary sundial]

Order thread, hype!

[smoky junco]

Do not worry, we have a plan

We are going to help with the airfield construction at the crossroads

Untill then, flat tops or star bases are our friends

[muted quail]

Are you just going to chill at the airfield after that?

[smoky junco]

Me? No

It’s me and another aiding with the airfield

[muted quail]

You all need to be at the same strategic point.

[smoky junco]

The rest are off murdering

[west aspen]

Clarify, after you move off of Crossroads (at some point)

As the anti-armor BG, you are too valuable to have sitting in the backlines

[smoky junco]

….we’ve gone through this 3 times now

[muted quail]

Okay

I’ll leave you alone

[west aspen]

Coherency rules TL;DR; The entire BG remain on the same strategic points. Any units left behind when the BG moves will be considered LOST.

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/head-spin-head-spinning-lego-movie-fine-lego-ugh-helpful-gif-12938545107336102770

aight

For the fourth time

Me and another MBT, when we arrive in the crossroads, will split off and aid in the airfield

[west aspen]

I wasn't here, please explain?

[smoky junco]

Once done

We will rejoin the rest of the guys in the crossroads

Before moving onto the city

People keep jumping the gun and misunderstanding le plan

We are not splitting the BG between areas

[muted quail]

I assume your plan in the city is take and hold?

[west aspen]

Again, wasn't here, I'm genuinely curious what the plan is.

[smoky junco]

Sorry just got a little annoyed

Very tired

And VERY HOT

ITS A DAMN HEATWAVE

anyway

Yeah we aren’t spliting between two areas

[west aspen]

Ah. RIP, I guess.

[smoky junco]

When we get to the crossroads, me and the other bulldozer will split off whilst the main bulk of BG2 goes off to fight

We will then Rejoin once we’re done and then we will go MURDER the bots at the city

[oblique glen]

But battle groups can’t spilt

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

We’re staying in the crossroads!

[west aspen]

"Split off" as in you'll have your BG do vanguard on Crossroads?

[smoky junco]

Yes

We’re splitting of the main force at the crossroads

[west aspen]

Okay, remaining on the same strategic point, got it!

[smoky junco]

Then we will go back to being the rear of the formation once done

Since I’m a engineering MBT

[west aspen]

... That still doesn't answer my question about the fighters, though?-

[smoky junco]

…we will have a airfield

To resupply them

[west aspen]

But once you move to Ziyal?

[smoky junco]

Eh?

Are you saying that aircraft, which are meant to operate far from a base, can’t go between strategic points for resupply and return

[west aspen]

I was under the impression you guys were pushing Ziyal given that it's a major city?

[smoky junco]

Yeah

[sage crane]

hello

[smoky junco]

Our aircraft will resuply at the crossroads airfield before coming back on station

[sage crane]

logi guy here just gimme a sec

[west aspen]

"All member of a battlegroup must move together"

Aircraft aren't exempt, sadly.

[smoky junco]

A constant rotating CAP would be ideal but our fighter numbers are eh

[west aspen]

It's fucking stupid, but you aren't allowed to have your fighters leave,

[smoky junco]

EH??

THE ####

The hell you mean we can’t have our fighters do what normal fighters do

[sage crane]

Right so we realised this ages ago

I pinged all our fighters telling them the issue

[smoky junco]

Wait you already planned for that?

[sage crane]

2/5 decided to leave

[west aspen]

RAW, you're not allowed to have your fighters leave the BG to rearm and repair.

[smoky junco]

….so that’s why they left

HOW THE HELL WILL OUR LOGISITCS WORK?!

[sage crane]

3 are still with us even though I vehemently explained they CANNOT rearm if we leave crossroads

[smoky junco]

if you can’t have logistic units operating between strategic points

[sage crane]

I'll explain in a min lets just clear up the fighter thing first

[smoky junco]

which is very stupid

[west aspen]

So if you're bringing them into Ziyal without a plan, you're fucked.

I'm poking the fighters because I want our air force to actually be fucking effective, so that we actually have a modicum of air cover not dependent on a TF babysitting us.

[sage crane]

There is no plan

We can't conjure up a magic solution

[west aspen]

There what-

... please tell me that they are aware they will likely die within 4 rounds without repairs or rearmament?-

[sage crane]

we have no way to reliably get medium supply to an airfield even if we have the entirity of whatever group the construction engis in to make us an airfield

[smoky junco]

There is a soltuion, it’s called get shack to fix this by asking nicely

[sage crane]

I told them this

[sage crane]

We've been asking for weeks

it's the role of TFs to provide air cover we just have none

[smoky junco]

This is dumb

[west aspen]

He said no many times already.

He doesn't want to deal with the clusterfuck ATC was, and made TFs take on that role despite us not having that many.

[smoky junco]

Like ACTUALLY dumb

[sage crane]

Yes

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-seriously-wow-omg-gif-3046552972864491436

[sage crane]

We deal with it though

[smoky junco]

He’s making fighters completely useless with this

[sage crane]

Whining doesn't get us anywhere

[smoky junco]

There’s a difference between Winning and calling out stupidity

It’s so easy to do aswell

[oblique glen]

Can you ping the fighters and explain it to them

[sage crane]

I have

[smoky junco]

Just say “X is going to Y to resupply,
They will back in the area next turn”

That’s it!

The issue of ATC antics completely fixed

[sage crane]

The other issue is that's "too powerful"

Anyway complain in meta comm please

[west aspen]

... Look, the entire reason BG3 split into 3 & 13, BG4 into 4 & 14, and the founding of 212th was because each BG independently recognized that our logi was quite simply, fucked up beyond repair. BG13 is supposed to be QRF, but we're so desperate at this point we're willing to flex as a logistics group.

[sage crane]

Our logi is suprisingly ok

[smoky junco]

Good lord

I was wondering why the splits happened this badly

This whole BG system has killed strategic logisitics

[sage crane]

We have enough HATs to paradrop supplies onto logi trucks for a loooong time

[west aspen]

Except if Y is also contested, now they have to still put in orders, because the enemy could potentially interact with them - and so now they actually have to track them, and your ATC antics are back.

[sage crane]

And no before you ask how they resupply they don't

Each carries 25 ss

[west aspen]

concern

How many rounds of effective operation are you guys at? STORM is only expecting 10 rounds effective independent operation.

[sage crane]

Uh to my memory

3 ss for arty per turn

assume 2 ss for repairs per turn

125/5 turns

But that's only for us

[smoky junco]

Yeah fighters are dead this campaign

With the rules having a over reliance on warships we don’t have

[sage crane]

We also *were * supplying Redwall and Spearhead but no one has a coherent plan till we get more info

[sage crane]

They're in a good spot no one has req

You make them cheaper and EVERYONE gets one though

Anyway let's not argue over game mechanics, just what we're actually doing

[smoky junco]

That’s not the issue, the rules overestimated how many we have

[sage crane]

The rules aren't tailor made for us

[west aspen]

212th is trying to mitigate that by being a "airmobile" force that takes fighters to other strategic points but still reload & rearm them at crossroads when needed.

[sage crane]

Shack was literally shocked when I said we have one TF

(early on)

[smoky junco]

Yeah I see what your trying to do there to try and get around the rules being stupid for aircraft

[sage crane]

Anyway to sum up @west aspen we have it under control as much as we can

I can't help that we have fighters still, i'd honestly rather we had more logi truck

[west aspen]

Would you be willing to help convince your fighters so we can get around this problem?

[smoky junco]

I Have no idea

But genuinely I don’t like putting all the fighters in one area

Over comit one area

The droids go elsewhere for fighters

Leaving everyone else exposed

[west aspen]

Yeah, but at this point, having a concentrated fighter group is better than every fighter not having any weapons.

The TFs are taking up the rest. We'll be able to contest 4 strategic points at a time.

[sage crane]

Also hello dave yes you are the backup/main plan

[smoky junco]

…I’ve got a idea

How fast can we build a airfield

[sage crane]

No

[smoky junco]

We drag the shovel enthusiasts with us

And make a FOB

[sage crane]

We can't unless we have an entire BG change their plans for us

And then guess what

[smoky junco]

No no this is after there plan

TWO airfields!

[west aspen]

8 build actions, need to get a TF to donate 1 LS (and a way to get it to the ground with an HVTOL), need a field engi.

[west aspen]

Airfields have maintenance cost...

[sage crane]

We still don't have the means to get medium supply to it frequently

[smoky junco]

We can do that in two turns

[sage crane]

And onceafuckinggain

We DON'T KNOW ANYTHING

[west aspen]

I believe you misunderstand...

Airfields require LARGE Supply.

[smoky junco]

Damn

Madness this is

[sage crane]

Oh joy

[west aspen]

FOBs are insufficient.

[smoky junco]

Rules about aircraft, poorly understood they are

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-concentrate-fall-gif-4905078

Ketamine I need

[sage crane]

We could touch down, and the entire world is gone and we have to battle the bots on the asteroid thing

[west aspen]

Drugs later, sober talk and planning first.

[smoky junco]

Insane these rules are

[sage crane]

We could touch down and every city is gone and we need to concentrate our forces on just elim for the whole thing

[smoky junco]

Therapy i Need

[sage crane]

So let's just wait

[smoky junco]

We are 2 days to drop

And we know Jack all

[west aspen]

Any other plans you can think of?

The "airmobile" is the only solution that sort of works right now.

[smoky junco]

Hmmm, there is one

[sage crane]

That's stormblesseds job basically

[smoky junco]

Have the entire BG go back and forth

Constantly

[west aspen]

We know there are civilians in certain objectives based on last knowledge.

[smoky junco]

Just to show how dumb it is

[sage crane]

Electro the rules work when we have TFs

[west aspen]

Venator is too valuable as our primary anti-armor BG.
I suggest you guys stay on the frontlines.

[smoky junco]

Missing the point I was making there lol

[sage crane]

Not really

Nothing is dumb here except us as a player grouop

We ALL knew orbs would be coming back

We ALL knew they would be expensive and importany

[west aspen]

Ah.

The rules would work if we had more fucking taskforces, which we don't - our goal is to try to get through the op successfully so we can actually buy them.

[smoky junco]

Yeeeep

[sage crane]

And 95% of people STILL decided to buy other stuff

[smoky junco]

Infact I got my MBT before the orbital rework

[west aspen]

How we managed to squeeze one TF into three is still a modern miracle-

[sage crane]

Basically we have no one to blame but ourselves

[smoky junco]

A lot of us spent most of our req before the orbtials came out

[sage crane]

So just quit complaining about the stupidity please

[sage crane]

Yes and read up, we knew they were coming and they'd be expensive+important

[smoky junco]

I’m going to get this fixed or atleast try

[sage crane]

Go ahead

[smoky junco]

Better than doing Jack all

[sage crane]

Multiple people have complained, hell fyrebird quit for a day

[smoky junco]

Not angry at anyone here BTW

[sage crane]

Including me

[smoky junco]

just at the rules

[west aspen]

Look.

Shack refuses to change the rules. Multiple TCOs have complained already, Shack has said no. We're on thin ice as is.

The only thing we can do right now is try to circumvent this problem.

[real kite]

We’ve just got to make it work. That’s all we can do atp

[smoky junco]

I genuinely don’t know why he would do this

[sage crane]

Exactly this, thank you

[west aspen]

Future balance reasons.

All the temporary buffs we are getting in the midrounds? That's to get us over this hump.

[smoky junco]

Yeah…. It’s something alright

[sage crane]

He's not a monster, he wants to make a fun game

[smoky junco]

Yeah but he’s making it harder on the fighters

Almost suicidal dare I say

[sage crane]

The entire idea is they are a taskforce unit

[west aspen]

Can I count on your support in trying to circumvent this problem with the proposed 212th?

[smoky junco]

Idk who our fighters are

[sage crane]

Just because we failed to get orbitals doesn't mean the rules are stupid

[smoky junco]

Marl is your best bet for that

[sage crane]

The rules are bad for our situation

[smoky junco]

We had no idea this was going to happen

We all had the assumption fighters would work as they always did

[west aspen]

BrinyPear, Infinity, Globemaster.

[smoky junco]

Yeah your probably better at it

[sage crane]

Yes... but we knew orbitals were importan

[smoky junco]

Good bye dedicated CAP, hello very stupid resupply rules

[west aspen]

Is it okay if I ping them and leave a TL;DR?

[smoky junco]

Not in this way

[sage crane]

Yes, I already have but be our guest to try again

[smoky junco]

We are going round in circles on something we all agree on, fighters are being stabbed in the foot for the sake of TFs

That came out wrong

Not angry at TFs

Gah I can’t word this right

Air Rules dumb, Fighters strategically nerfed

More freedom to fighters

[west aspen]

@tame mango @wise mauve @thorny night ,

With the permission of the above, I am pinging you Fighters to give a quick TL;DR on your current resupply/rearm/repair situation.

Currently, due to Rules As Written on Strategic Level Play, you are not permitted to leave the Battlegroup to rearm and repair.
Given that you are an ammo-based unit, that means you get one single shot at the enemy the moment you step away from the strategic point that the airfield is on.

At that point (in Ziyal City), you will be useful as nothing more than bullet sponges for the HATs and VTOLs. You will probably die within 3 rounds. Unfortunately, that means you get paid less and lose your unit.

Currently, the 212th "Logistics" is capable of taking on fighters and re-arming them, before going back into combat - this obeys rules as written, but gets around the problem of you not being able to rearm.

I strongly suggest that you transfer BGs, as Venator will not be able to support you.
Shack himself suggested that Logi was important, and Dresden himself pinned their post in meta-comm here: #meta-comm message.

[tame mango]

Cheers for this.

Well. Now that I have a better understanding of the resupply picture, It seems i have no choice but to switch battle group.

[smoky junco]

Yeah the rules have MESSED fighters up

[west aspen]

Logi: https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1384286773068435587

[smoky junco]

It’s stupid

[tame mango]

So I'm terribly sorry to say I'll see you around Venator, tankers pirates, others, I wish you well.

[smoky junco]

We loose a desperately needed CAP because of rules

Though if this logisitcs firm could… ya know…

always keep us covered

please we need CAP

Dawn can’t die to aircraft

[west aspen]

I know - if it's any consolation, as one of our best weapons against the bots (assuming they're armored), you'll probably be higher on the list of locations to respond to.

[ebon jacinth]

Yoof...

[smoky junco]

Wait WHAT

T5?!?!

[sage crane]

Yes

[smoky junco]

we’re coming in THAT LATE?!

[sage crane]

Yes

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sipping-on-straw-gif-4245787821370885677

[covert compass]

Upside: We are less likely to die

[west aspen]

Yeah, you guys can't land until we've secured the starport.

STORM gets to have fun, yes, but we're also probably going to die-

... enjoy your higher survival rate?-

[smoky junco]

….we need more orbitals good lord

[distant olive]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[smoky junco]

Ok, after this campaign

[west aspen]

I know it's 2 weeks IRL...

Not having TFs really shafted us this campaign.

[smoky junco]

we resurrect the pirate battlestar

[ebon jacinth]

At the very least, it's a learning experience ^^

We'll be the hardest consolidation force ever, when we drop xD

[smoky junco]

We’re the hammer

Not consolidation

[west aspen]

I had no rec, either...

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-hammer-stop-hammer-time-cant-touch-this-super-freak-hip-hop-gif-24612402

[smoky junco]

Yeah that’s another issue

[sage crane]

Electro

No more rants in here please

[covert compass]

ok

[sage crane]

I get it, we've just kept it relatively on topic so far

[smoky junco]

I was about to go on about why people can’t get orbitals due to them not being Available/people spending for C3/new people but eh

[sage crane]

And is that not a rant 🤣

[smoky junco]

No it’s a statement

[sage crane]

I suppose

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-handle-the-truth-gif-7916035

[sage crane]

just keep it to meta comm

[smoky junco]

had the excuse to use that meme

[sage shale]

Y'all talk a lot so idk what alls happened, the jist I get is we likely are the backup forces if the rest of the groups struggle to get anywhere, and that we will only have enough supply to operate for 5 rounds before we are toast so we gotta play it safe once we do reinforce the weak spots? Assuming the rest of the TFs don't pull a miracle and secure the starport super quick ofc. Who knows. 🤷‍♂️ but if we are showing up latet in the op, sounds like we should take virtually no loses. Even with a 5 turn limit. Assuming everyone else isn't already dead lol.

I like our odds so far.

[sage crane]

No....

[smoky junco]

No we’re arriving turn 5

[sage crane]

Most BGs are turning up turn 5 for one

for 2 we have chunks of supply

[west aspen]

We secure starport on ~T3, hopefully. We hope you get planetside by T5.

Your supply is fine, you have a ridiculous amount.

[smoky junco]

We’ve got enough to get dawn doing Tokyo drifts for the entire campaign

[sage crane]

for 3 we are the defacto bot smasher group

Ah yes

add another 1 ss per turn

125/6

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/deja-vu-anime-car-gif-24099480

[west aspen]

Probably most valuable Combat-focused BG, now that I think about it.

[smoky junco]

we are THE HAMMER!

[sage shale]

Most of em are turn 5? Oh damn, I thought the conversation abt 5 turns was for 5 turns after everyone else. If we are one of the slowest groups, how is everyone else showing up so late?? Jeezus.

[smoky junco]

SPAHCE

That’s why

https://tenor.com/view/space-tim-curry-gif-7935778

[west aspen]

No, everyone is slow due to taking the automated transports.

The only BGs rushing ahead are those with TF transport, or are suicidal enough to be rushing without TF transport (cough STORM cough).

[smoky junco]

Yeah storm is gonna be combat ineffective when we land

[sage shale]

Wait, how do we not even own any orbitals, I thought at least some survived C3? Or do they just lack any meaningful storage space?

[smoky junco]

But we are the single most dangerous BG

[sage shale]

Ik we ourselves have none, but still...

[smoky junco]

both to the enemy and Allies mwuahaha

[smoky junco]

I was a orbtial C2

I didn’t get to keep it

[sage shale]

How to we get orbitals reliably if people can't keep them and only players playing since C1 have enough Req to even own one??? 🤣 no wonder this mission pays so much if we win! After this we'll actually have some people who can afford them! I was wondering why it was so much... also does anyone know if the req gain posted was before or after adding the survival bonus, or is that not a thing anymore?

[smoky junco]

Nah that’s notnit

We could afford them after C2/3, but they weren’t available for months and people bought land units

And we didn’t know how they would work until this campaign

[sage crane]

You actually only need 2 req

Not sure with the survival bonus

[west aspen]

We hope we don't die, that's about it.

[sage shale]

Oh really? Wow they made em cheaper, noice

[smoky junco]

That’s for the transport I believe

[sage shale]

I might just get one after, if I have enough

[smoky junco]

The larger ones are muuuuch more expensive

[west aspen]

All previous orbitals are now RP-only, cannot be brought in game due to a design change (1 player per orbital to many per orbital).

[errant pine]

😜 they get you with the add ons. lol jk

[west aspen]

After.

5 if you survive.
4 if you don't (but it feels more like 3, since you have to rebuy a unit).

[sage shale]

They always get you with addons lol

[sage shale]

Cool

[sage shale]

I seem to remember the smallest one being like 4 or 5 in the past, before addons, but perhaps smaller classes didn't exist yet? Idk, it was so astronomical, that I kinda just started ignoring them, too much of a pipe dream to even get invested in.

[errant pine]

The pricing was reworked.

It’s actually relatively cheap to buy in now. The harder part is making sure you have the manpower to run it…let alone run it efficiently

[wary sundial]

There was a rules change?

[west aspen]

Yup. See #campaign-information message , Strategic Level Play

[sage shale]

I don't own an air unit so idk how the implimentation of strategic level changes how supply works, I imagine if you stay on the same tactical map, it doesn't but idk.

[west aspen]

Resupply now either needs your entire BG to agree to retreat to a location with supply, or you need another BG/TF to bring it to you.

[sage shale]

Ah I see. I guess before, you just got supply from a base or something?

[west aspen]

Yeah, or it was handwaved off as "friendly base off-map".

Now, though, we need to bring the logistics we need to fight.

[errant pine]

To be fair, we used to basically only have 1 Strategic Point.

[sage shale]

Also looked into orbitals, they still cost as much as they used to, technically. Instead of just getting an entry level ship for 4 req, you buy all the individual parts to make a ship. I mean technically you can get an orbital for as little as 3 req, but you can't use it to do anything other than fly around in circles and maybe soak a couple of hits.

[errant pine]

Meaning BG Coherency and needing to remain at the same strat point was basically just “hey, be in the campaign”. lol

[sage shale]

There wasn't really a need for managing supply on a larger scale because there wasn't anything larger, so really the change just gives logi based units more to do and encourages people to play them.

[tranquil saddle]

Helo my bg

Good morning and what did I miss

[signal coyote]

OK I'm free from exams, can I get a quick summary of current Battleplan. Or do we have insufficient intel still?

[errant pine]

The supply system is definitely a big change too…for sure!!

[west aspen]

I yelled at your aerospace units and told them they're going to die-

I made a series of convincing arguments on why your aerospace units may need to reconsider.

[tranquil saddle]

Oh

[sage shale]

We don't have any intel yet.

[west aspen]

I also helped clear up a misunderstanding!

And our intel situation is still the same - crap, crap, and more crap.

[sage shale]

From what I heard, everyone should be landing around turn three to five, that's the only intel we have, everything else is still fog of war

[tranquil saddle]

So basically fuck it we ball

[sage shale]

At least until abt two weeks from now, when we land and actually develop a plan based on whatever is going on, yeah.

Also, I like that now we have strategic level, the amount of time stuff takes feels realistic. As if this is happening in real time.

[west aspen]

Also makes our logi a lot more realistic, too.

[cunning ermine]

If any of your fighters wanna actually do what fighters do, feel free to send them our way, we've got space in our flight decks.

[west aspen]

212th is still open.

[wise mauve]

I moved to fluffle a while ago. Guess I forgot to take myself off your roster

[small citrus]

Y'all have room for an Artillery unit?

My friend @peak carbon is interested

[errant pine]

212th is up and running. I look forward to supporting y'all from the skies in that compacity.

[median sail]

not counting fuel for me?
update. doubt i'll use 1 per round as no logi truck wants to get close to a fight to reload me nor do i really want to stop shooting

[median sail]

welcome to meta campaign lol, when have we ever known about things beforehand?

[tranquil saddle]

Never yippeee

[slate hemlock]

Since we plan to "aquire" the enemy production how about making this our anthem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zumk2nSSzjo

[tranquil saddle]

Yes

[upper harbor]

Didnt you need like.... 5-7 req just for a basic logi ship? Which most players do not have

Since it's

3 for captain
2 for say a battleship/destroyer
2 for HVTOL bays.

And then you only have 3 cargo bays

And that's excluding the other players needed

I think it's less of people didnt want to buy orbs and more of people couldnt afford it, so they didnt bother.

And then we also have those who are hesitant on the unknown that is Orb gameplay and thus do not want to invest into it

[ebon jacinth]

Definitely an intersection of unfortunate factors

'Cause, for example, while the orbital rules were in fluctuation I never bothered reading them because whatever I would read I had no guarantee it wouldn't be made obsolete in a week's time

[sage crane]

1 for crew(starting req) 2 for captain

Just to actually afford a ship

@livid lion I'm assuming you forgot you were in a group already, but just FYI you are down as both a part of Atlas and Venator

[ebon jacinth]

Buying a non-Orbital unit is a single Req, right?

[strong shoal]

I think yeah but I am not sure

[ebon jacinth]

I could get a logi truck and start working after the Gryphon, when this is done, then...

[upper harbor]

Yeah, and that's a freighter without any cargo docks.

Cargo docks cost 1 rec each

[sage crane]

And crew can buy those

My point was the cost of any orbital

You can get one, a shit one but still one for cheap

You can't then pick an expensive subclass of orbital to compare it too

[ebon jacinth]

I'm kinda lost in the sauce, here.

Our current issue is that the ships don't have enough Deployment Capacity?

[upper harbor]

We dont have enough ships in general

[ebon jacinth]

And we lack them for the purpose of Deployment Capacity or other stats?

[median sail]

Most of wich 1 or 2 people have to come up with unless people are happy sitting around making rp stuff while they mostly just watch

As the aircraft can't buy many of the needed upgrades and will be flying there unit

[wary sundial]

10/10 worth 😍
who doesnt want to be a cool captain

[upper harbor]

New players only have 1 req, so they cant afford a ship

[wary sundial]

I mean makes sense

people be crew and then turn into captains if they want to

[upper harbor]

But you cant crew ships without captains, and those that have req already are invested into their old units

[wary sundial]

some, not all yeah

[manic spade]

Also there's plenty of people who just aren't interested in playing an orbital, I imagine.

I just wanna mech.

[wary sundial]

understandable lol

you planning on sizing up your Mech should we survive?

[manic spade]

That would be nice, yeah.

[wary sundial]

cool
planning on throwing my req into a freighter for deploying mechs, need to make sure there are enough non-light mechs around lol

[manic spade]

Anyway, I don't have full context but it does seem kinda odd that the capacity for the entire player base to even play the game became dependent on enough players deciding to play a certain type of unit.

... While also trying to maintain a status of, "everyone can play what unit they want to."

[wary sundial]

what?

[manic spade]

Just from the snippets I've gotten, isn't there a big problem right now of there just not being enough orbitals among the player base?

(It's hard for me to stay on top when real life keeps me away from this except for a brief window usually once a day.)

[wary sundial]

not enough for what? Idk how much strat zones we can secure with the TFs that exist but I have faith in them 🙏

[smoky junco]

YAR WE BE A GO LADDIES

[unkempt matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[wind bear]

We lack a lot of various units (Engis, Logis, etc.) But it's never hampered the game beforehand. It just means we need to plan around these problems and work together.

[signal coyote]

I'm assuming we won't need to make individual orders yet since we're ground units

[wind bear]

I think Fluffle and TFs need to post orders.

[sage crane]

I’m pretty sure it’s storm and whichever the fast TF is

[smoky junco]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-burger-beard-sponge-out-of-water-driving-gif-18237088074697935251

[covert compass]

Pretty sure there will ALWAYS be a lack of some units and overabundance of others.

[smoky junco]

WE BE GOIN TO PLUNDER SOON LADS

[ebon jacinth]

We should call the big tank line "the Broadside"

[upper harbor]

I honestly wonder if a heavy mech with 3x light laser is viable

Since heavy mechs can fire all their guns at once

[strong shoal]

It's go time? Is there any changes to our plans that we should be informed about?

[upper harbor]

Venator lands in T5, so we are still gucci for time

[strong shoal]

So how many of us are gonna drop in?

Because I know that there's a lack of ships

[upper harbor]

We have NPC ships to drop us

What we lack is resupply

[rancid orbit]

You mean like 4 more rounds of rp?

[upper harbor]

Idk what turn it is currently

But BGs landing on T3 are prepping their orders already

[strong shoal]

Indeed thats the problem especially as a artillery unit I can only be useful for three turns until I am out of ammunition

[rancid orbit]

ngl 3 lazers would nuke inf but probably graze paint on mbt

[upper harbor]

Assuming we all survive this and dont plan on upgrading our current units, 4-5 of venator's members could probably start a small carrier that can support a handful of fighters and ground ops

[restive iris]

you lot wouldn't happen to want yet another tank, would you?

[upper harbor]

I mean, why not? Idk if we have open slots tho

[restive iris]

I will check. nothing finalised.

[upper harbor]

We are like 50% MBTs as the armoured fist

[sage crane]

Yes

We would love another tank

[real kite]

did we used to have a guy with the callsign Clavain? He was an IFV?

[ebon jacinth]

Tentative yes...? I couldn't find any mention of specific costs to shooting lasers. The main issue I can think is how fire "unsplits" if a Mech has more guns than viable targets

[ebon jacinth]

I 'member them, yes

[real kite]

That was sierra i think

[upper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-every-gun-we-have-to-fire-on-that-man-i-want-every-gun-we-have-kylo-ren-fire-on-that-man-gif-23064038

3 LLs vs 1 single infantry squad

Let the MBTs moving alongside you to combat the other MBTs

[sage crane]

A full LL build would just be 3-12 damage right? Obviously per roll armour and stuff but still pretty strong

[upper harbor]

Good against anything short of an MBT

[sage crane]

God that would slam infantry actually

[upper harbor]

But with that speed, a HM is part of Venator's battleline

A scattering of HMs with like 2 LLs and 1 AC is enough to combat most targets at the low low cost of 6 req(?)

[sage crane]

If I’m mathing Right it’s some ~10% chance of NOT insta killing an infantry

[upper harbor]

It shreds IFVs as well

Also correction, it's 6 Req for a triple LL.

btw, how much req do we get if we survive again? 3?

[sage crane]

Lmao

4 I think

5 was advertised

[upper harbor]

5 can get me a heavy mech with TWO LLs.

[sage crane]

Survival req was never explained well

[upper harbor]

:D

[sage crane]

It could be a negative for not surviving or a bonus for surviving on top

[errant pine]

5 if survived, 4 if killed. Captain is doing a -1 penalty for dying this time.

[upper harbor]

If you make 4... we could theoretically get a destroyer next campaign if we survive.

Destroyers with 1 landing gear, 2 flight decks and 1 more cargo bay.

[sage crane]

Imo it’s a stupud mechanic because a lot of the time in these massive battles people die without putting themselves in direct risk, so game design dictates there shouldn’t be a punishment on top of the fact you know your dead

[upper harbor]

You could use the destroyer as a mobile carrier for 2 fighters

Since you need 3 crew for the destroyer anyway

Captain spends 4 (1 for crew, 2 for captain, 1 for destroyer)

2x logis spend 3 each (1 for crew, 2 for logi upgrades)

[sage crane]

It’s especially bad for the smaller missions with 2 req, you literally just net lose any upgrades with nothing to gain

I think it should just be the same play, as you already lose one req to rebuy the unit

Anyway oops rant over

[upper harbor]

Wait. are battlegroups ALLOWED orbitals?

Or is it a TF only thing

[sage crane]

I mean… there’s no rules against it

They’d just have to stay in the same space as their BG

[upper harbor]

Then yeah, if we got 3 fellas together, we can get a mobile carrier as Venator's command center and resupply location

Even if we die this run, 4 each is enough

[sage crane]

You do realise the BGs don’t keep the same over campaigns

At least not normally

[upper harbor]

Fair

That's another reason why it's hard to get ships

Cause the same crew might not carry over

[ebon jacinth]

Not officially, at least, no?

[sage crane]

True

[sage crane]

I’m confused as to what you mean

[upper harbor]

We can just stick together

that's what tal means

[sage crane]

There’s no rulings saying people operate in the same BGs over campaigns no

[upper harbor]

OFFICIALLY, there isnt any rules that force us to stay together

but we can choose to stick together

[sage crane]

But as I’ve been playing since C2 I can very much say you usually don’t see people stick together for more than 1 campaign

[upper harbor]

i wish i had been playing since C2 XD

[sage crane]

Sure you get smaller units sticking together (ie an orbital might keep its crew together)

But for instance Titanfall is now very split up

All the HATs, me included, are in different BGs

I’m not saying dont keep people together, just that trying to make an orbitals next campaign for Venator probably wouldn’t work as Venator likely won’t be a thing

[upper harbor]

i guess the HATs splitting up is to be expected with how diverse the campaign currently is

I really do feel like making an orbital to support a BG with at least 2 aerospace assets tho

ofc, the more people the larger the orbital asset can be

[sage crane]

Yeah and that’s a really cool concept, I don’t mean to shut it down

[ebon jacinth]

This campaign ends, Venator "is disbanded", I go and buy the logistical orbital.

What prevents marl, on next campaign, from going "We're doing Venator. Tal, didn't you get the Gryphon as a logi ship online?" andm bam, Venator was disbanded only in name, not in substance

[sage crane]

Nothing prevents that

[upper harbor]

I dont mind being the captain for logi/carrier orbital.

I can pay that 4-5 cost

[sage crane]

It just usually doesn’t happen

People want to play different things and ideas

[upper harbor]

After this campaign, logi orbitals are gonna be more targeted than logi trucks are now

[ebon jacinth]

I'm more than glad to stick with Venator ^^

[green flume]

So remind me, are we dropping in or do we have to wait for the taskforces to secure the spaceport?

[upper harbor]

@ebon jacinth If we can get one more person, we can make the ARMCO "Mother of Necessity" Logistics carrier vessel

XD

[sage crane]

People secure spaceport pre turn 5

And we can land there turn 5

[ebon jacinth]

🤣

[upper harbor]

It has NO GUNS, NO SUPPORT equipment.

it's literally just a carrier and logi hub

[ebon jacinth]

Only enough internal space to crash the real estate market

[upper harbor]

And we can only supply the fighters for 2 sorties XD

[green flume]

So do we all put in individual orders, or is there a map we’ll place our stuff on and then submit that to shack?

[thorny night]

sorry to interrupt but it appears 'globemaster' is still on your roster despite seemingly being part of TF3 now

[sage crane]

Guh

I’ll take him off

Also hi Infinity

[thorny night]

hi

[sage crane]

Have you read the pings about supply issues for fighters?

[thorny night]

yeah part of TF2 now

[sage crane]

Did you take yourself off the doc?

[thorny night]

yeah

[sage crane]

Thx

Would someone mind removing globemaster from the doc, I’m not at my pc rn

[errant pine]

(I’m mobile too, or I would help you with that)

[ebon jacinth]

Hey, it's two whole sorties in this economy xD

[upper harbor]

4 turns. which isnt alot

[ebon jacinth]

On it, chief

[upper harbor]

4 turns is more economical in larger task forces

Which i see why shack reccomends larger TFs

So if i wanna go orbital, i have to leave Venator...

decisions decisions

[ebon jacinth]

Globemaster's Fighter has been struck from records

[sage crane]

Ty

[upper harbor]

Also thinking about it, how does Victorum have 3 battlecruisers and 1 battleship? That's 5 req minimum for the 3 battlecruiser captains and 6 for the battleship.

Did they save up for like 2 campaigns or something?

cause i see their captains have like 8-9 req worth

[ebon jacinth]

Veterans of the earlier campaigns, I would guess

[upper harbor]

it means they didnt spend anything since like campaign 2

[sage crane]

Not really

It means they didn’t spend anything since SAM came o it

Out*

Which was post C3

[upper harbor]

Oh, everyone got refunded?

hmm... Either run a heavy mech... or buy an orb next campaign... decisions decisions

[errant pine]

Kinda. Trench compiled a sheet of all the people who had served in each campaign and if they survived or not. They SAM paid those vets with the req they had earned from their history.

[upper harbor]

makes sense

explains how people can run 9 req of orbitals

[errant pine]

Made things clean and covered those who got upgrades and units that aren’t a thing anymore.

[errant pine]

It’s also how BEARDS has the airfield upgrade.

[upper harbor]

beards?

[sage crane]

Engi unit

[upper harbor]

ah

[errant pine]

They’re the engi unit in Flying Shovels that’ll be initiating the airfield construction

[upper harbor]

wonder how long the orbitals can keep that airfield supplied

can orbitals restock supplies?

[sage crane]

Nope

It’s our warchest that just so happens to scale with the amount of orbitals we have

[upper harbor]

hm

While interesting, having to stick with a TF to be somewhat useful might not interest me, so i might stick with mechs. Cause mechs are cool

[smoky junco]

HAMMER!

[ebon jacinth]

Yeah

[quasi star]

I have been dealing with life a fair bit, anyone got the flip-notes for our group?

[sage shale]

Yeah... losing a unit is already a cost in of itself. Esp if it isn't stock, so to get punished in pay is like a double penalty, it just prevents you from even bothering to invest in upgrades, that also makes the extreme cost of Orbitals even worse.

If I survive I might certainly grab a simple orbital.

[upper harbor]

a base freighter is like 3 req from scratch. 1 for new character 2 for captain

you can probably fit like a single weapon on it

[ebon jacinth]

I think a single cargo bay can go in there for 1 more req

[upper harbor]

not if you run a main battle cannon

that takes 2 slots

Also each cargo bay is like... 1 supply

But you can carry 10 players for landing, so that's something

so a group like Venator only needs 3 freighters if we are gonna go land at speed 3

[ebon jacinth]

Do Freighters start with landing gear?

[quasi star]

I would think from what Shack made it sound like we could use them as landing craft

[upper harbor]

They ONLY start with landing gear

[upper harbor]

Yes

But yeah, corvettes and destroyers start with cargo bays instead

If you just use them as solely landing craft, you can drop off 10 players

Which isnt alot, until you realise that each freighter is just 1 player.

It's a MEGA HAT

[ebon jacinth]

Weren't those light corvettes?

[compact minnow]

I can hardly say I'm surprised that we have no fleet. The option to make ships only recently popped up, so most people probably invested what req they had in land units so they could take part in the smaller exercises. Plus, it's not like any of the people who haven't been in a major campaign before could afford a captain.

[ebon jacinth]

Shittin' 'ell, I must be dyslexic, then

[upper harbor]

I dont think it's dyslexia if you mix the words up

[compact minnow]

Light Coreightette

[upper harbor]

A full deployment destroyer can transport 25 players in one go

[compact minnow]

I guess I know what I'll have to invest my req from this operation in for next time

[upper harbor]

i mean, ofc it means that the ship cant do much after dropping units off, but neither can HATs iirc

[compact minnow]

Upgrades for my light mech, obviously

[upper harbor]

Although, a single ship of this loadout can equip an entire Taskforce for carrier operations for 10 turns just by itself

[compact minnow]

Are Captains 2 Req total, or 2 req to upgrade plus the 1 req to hire an orbital crew?

[upper harbor]

1+2

[compact minnow]

Thought so

[upper harbor]

Cheaper than most refits

[compact minnow]

True, but then you have to buy a ship

Not complaining, ships kinda should be more expensive than a ground unit

It just explains why we have such a big ship shortage rn

It'll resolve itself after this campaign, I imagine

Since everyone is getting 5 req

[upper harbor]

i expect at least 2 more task forces after this

[compact minnow]

Yeah

I'm probably gonna invest my earnings in a ship department

Maybe get a captain and a cruiser or something

Now I gotta figure out how the ships work

Don't tell me, it'll be funnier if I figure it out on my own

[upper harbor]

Just jump straight to battlecruiser :D

[compact minnow]

Real

[upper harbor]

Then get a second to grab like 2 flight decks and 2 supply.

a third to get more flight decks and maybe guns

Or just VTOL bays

[compact minnow]

The wonders of all the ships being 1-2 req

[upper harbor]

the tradeoff is the crew needed

[compact minnow]

Except the big boy battleship

[upper harbor]

which means it gets cheaper to arm a ship the larger it is

Like a battlecruiser needs 6 crew but only has 10 customisation slots.

So besides the captain, the other 5 only need to spend 2-4 req(after crew) to load their slots

Which means the remaining req can be used for their ground forces

[compact minnow]

That's where they get ya. In the slots

Gotta squeeze in a battle cannon while you're at it

[upper harbor]

a battlecannon costs 2 req, and is fixed if you dont buy arc or turret

[compact minnow]

Lmao get MAC'd

[upper harbor]

no railguns

[compact minnow]

Main Battle Cannon

Fixed, face it forward

Add a little flavor and boom

[upper harbor]

you know what? Five main battlecannons, all forward facing

[compact minnow]

Real

Giant flying revolver

[upper harbor]

Literally this

3x forward facing main battlecannons, 1x Long range missile, 1x arc mount and 1x autocannon

[compact minnow]

Battlecruiser gets no atmofuel, so sad

[upper harbor]

It's a battlecruiser.

[compact minnow]

Imagine unloading that fire onto a battlefield

[upper harbor]

i mean, it's the same as 3 tanks firing.

[compact minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/380-120-barrage-helldivers-2-gif-12058101769787247761

I wonder which weapon is best for orbital strikes

[ebon jacinth]

We call it emergency braking

[compact minnow]

Breaking is also probably correct

Lotta strain on the hull

Ok, so here's the setup I'm thinking

1 MBC, 1 flight deck, at least one vtol bay

Probably a couple autocannons and HMGs for defense

2 HMGs would probably be enough since I'd imagine I'd have some sort of escort to do point defense

So the Big Gun, Flight Deck, VTOL Bay, 2 HMGs and Autocannon turret would put it at 9 CS

What to do with that last slot...

Landing Gear

I guess I could leave it to crew discretion

[real kite]

we lost our entire fucking CAP

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-cute-dog-dog-closed-eyes-dog-staring-at-sunset-gif-10310895250239531072

[azure coral]

I have been away. What did I miss?

[upper harbor]

Nothing

[azure coral]

Also, are we able to land tanks on the ship in low orbit?

Try and repel my heavy armor, you jumped up toaster

[errant pine]

I fully expect the 212th will be running supply and air support missions in y’all’s area.

[errant pine]

Haha, that would be fun

[sage shale]

Is there any modifications you can pick up for free? At work rn so can't check. If not, then that 3 req ship can't even do anything cause a freighter doesn't have any inherent cargo space or base features. Honestly it doesn't make sense to upgrade a freighter cause you can spend the exact same req to upgrade to a better ship lol.

[hidden oyster]

Yeeeah, orders!

[upper harbor]

You aint got anything for free besides the landing legs

[jade parcel]

All crew (and thus presumably captains) do get 2 CS of free modules

[upper harbor]

Wait. They do?

When?

[jade parcel]

In the unit description

[upper harbor]

Lemme doublecheck. Might have missed it

[jade parcel]

Also I think you misquoted the cargo bay price as 2 CS earlier when it's actually 1 CS
IIRC the only 2 CS things are Main Battle Cannon and the turret upgrade for an orbital weapon

[upper harbor]

I didnt say the cargo bay cost 2 cs. I said buy 2 cargo bays

Also i'm looking at the crew stats, i dont see any free gear

[jade parcel]

It's in the core rules blurb about them

[upper harbor]

Ahh..

[sage crane]

Ahh the days when inf had 2 free req

[upper harbor]

There we are

@sage shale so yeah, you can fully kit out a freighter(if that means anything) and fly it by yourself

Explains how Victorum kitted out 3 battlecruisers and 1 battleship

[jade parcel]

My plan from day 1 of the orbitals being available was to save up for a battleship-grade carrier but due to trying to get in on all the tutorial missions before that I got stuck with LgT instead

[fallow scaffold]

Cancer Mancer is a three time vet. So 6 rec from past campaigns. That plus there are some more vets that bought the hulls

[azure coral]

What orders do we have to make?

[jade parcel]

Since I'd be 1 Req short after the 5 from this campaign of buying the hull I thought of getting a temporary Destroyer hull and acting as either a megaHAT for Dawn or being a portable airfield with the hangar bays and landing gear
Though perhaps a light frieghter would be better for the latter idea since I could skip buying landing gear separately

[upper harbor]

It was more of the crew i was talking about. The captains are definitely vets, since it costs req to buy ships

But the crew do not

So a captain with 5 new crew is already 12 req worth of upgrades

[livid lion]

Ya I'm not here. Sorry.

[upper harbor]

If ya grab a freighter ya still hafta buy cargo bays though. Unless you land with a cargo destroyer or something

[mellow briar]

Guess I'll work overtime 🍻

[fallow scaffold]

Don’t forget the vets that bought equipment with their none crew units

[jade parcel]

yes but unlike the landing gear, that'd still be useful in a battleship hull

[upper harbor]

True

[hidden oyster]

When do we come in again?

[sage crane]

Tis fine, was simply confused

[median sail]

And the fact you lose gear so dieing already has a self balancing cost

[strong shoal]

Question is anyone willing to tow me ? After the first week because I won't land in the first drops

[sage crane]

wut

We're all being dropped at the same time in 5 turns

[strong shoal]

I see your right I was improperly informed

[sage crane]

I haven't the time to put together mock ups yet but to my memory 2 of our arty are towed and someone else is being stuck in a HAT, I can't remember who it is

And also we won't be starting on the strat map, so that last bit doesn't really matter

[strong shoal]

I see ty I just remembered I had to get towed idk why but I forgot it completely

So what turn are we on rn turn 2 right?

[jade parcel]

Turn 1 starts tomorrow iirc

Or more accurately, the turn 1 orders phase starts tomorrow

[strong shoal]

Ty I have been so busy lately I loosing track of everything I thought we started already

My canons want to get greasy 😂

[sage crane]

Logiguy signing off now, night all!

[strong shoal]

Goodnight

[wintry coral]

Is everyone activated in the BG?

[sage crane]

Yep, checked a while back

[compact minnow]

I assume we don't need to worry about order posting for a bit?

[sage crane]

For 2 and a half weeks yes