Task Force 2 - Atlas: Comms

[pliant fjord]

Yea, exactly. Endurance is full as far as I can tell

[royal sequoia]

it has one infantry that could be moved

also of note, pathfinder is still smaller than 20 units, so we could also carry them

[ripe stratus]

Yup we can

But we cant shoot the fighter near the gate

[royal sequoia]

vtols can't attack aerospace? Is it simply due to the chance of them going evasive?

[tired patio]

Fluffle needs people to be able to deploy.

and they are the fastest TF we have currently.

[pliant fjord]

I'm doing the roster count today, we'll probably have some crew to spare

[tired patio]

VTOL's can't attack aerospace due to the speed. The nose guns just can't track them. "its a balance thing thats been around for ages"

Though they can yeet a missles at them if they have picked up that kit.

[pliant fjord]

Easy to stay out of range around or "above" a VTOL with that 7 speed

is the way I justified it in my head

[royal sequoia]

I'll ask my crew what they think about joining Fluffle

[humble urchin]

They got bunnies !

Think about it !

[royal sequoia]

It's not like the Triple brings any supply or deployment capability X)

[ripe stratus]

Wait that might be the trick

[jagged mulch]

Well, it gives a tiny bit of supply, but yeah, it doesn't give that much

[pliant fjord]

You've got our 4 planes though

we could donate some crew, but probably not ships

[royal sequoia]

that still leaves you three fighters

[hot haven]

And we bombers stay on the ship or also go over?

[royal sequoia]

For now I'll make a chat with everyone that's aboard

and see what people think

if the crew says no, then it's no

I like my current crew setup x)

but fluffle being the fastest group, they could also make it to that frigate before us to help storm take it down

[pliant fjord]

I'm not sure what their plan is, their doc didn't have one last time I checked

[royal sequoia]

Arrival: Lussan Gate
Proceed through the Field Nav 1 to Elim City
Goals:
Scout/Scan for Main Fleet arrival and navigation through the asteroid field
Run with StormBlessed TF to Elim if possible
Work with Rabbit BG to get wheels on the ground if possible
Don't die

[pliant fjord]

That's a good plan

[turbid kernel]

Good to see we got the BC, i would like to raise the possibility of getting Breach Pods again to further expand our Anti-orbital capabilities

[pliant fjord]

Can someone liaison with fluffle about our plan?

[jolly crypt]

your fighter will follow you wherever you go, captain!

[turbid kernel]

I don't mind but I just need to be brought up to speed about what our plan is,

[royal sequoia]

with the bc joining us, we get a hefty +5 large supply

which brings us to a very happy 17 supply

so we can easily transport another group

[turbid kernel]

And we're thinking Pathfinders, yeah?

[pliant fjord]

Or Iron Hammer*, yea

In the doc, it's Plan B

[humble urchin]

Iron Hammer please 🙏

thanks Ixen ❤️

[royal sequoia]

I think Pathfinder is a better choice if we want to send a quick group to do stuff somewhere else. Iron Hammer is better if we want to really secure taking that starport

[turbid kernel]

With that in mind I believe Iron Hammer would be better but they also don't plan on capping recruitment. Their numbers may swell if there's a last minute rush to join the campaign

[turbid kernel]

What was the plan exactly?

[turbid kernel]

Got it

[pliant fjord]

@west junco Your task force has been trying to reach you about your orbital's extended warranty!

We've been asking you about your modules. I've tagged you here multiple times, PM'd you directly, and responded to your chats.

The deadline for final rosters and orbital crews is 6/22. Please check in with either myself or Failhouse as soon as possible, or you may be cut from the game!

[tired trench]

pilot climbs into his armco fighter i get to fly this piece of scrap? It's no Arnelian Dominance fighter but it will do i guess sigh

[twin widget]

Can't attack other aircraft, we're ground attack only.

And we still can't scout without landing blind RAW.

(Also d2 toothpick can't deal with Evasive or good Armor)

[merry summit]

Man wait til u see my vtol 😭😂

It.. uh. It flies

[turbid kernel]

Running diagnostics on the Avionics Oh, I'm sorry. Well pull out the premium editions from storage. We'll also send beluga caviar to your cockpit as an apology. Dips into a mock bow

[turbid kernel]

That's character is all!

[solid hare]

Guys... I made another one

Well correction, got another one made

[turbid kernel]

Hell yeah, love it

[solid hare]

Thanks! I'm glad it turned out well

Somehow it made this one even better

[pliant fjord]

Alright, until I hear from Cantaloupe, my tentative roster is complete

If can be read on the "Duty Roster" tab

Some units had to be moved around, to meet minimum crew requirements, but most of you should be in your preferred ship

[turbid kernel]

Excellent work!

[pliant fjord]

I've also added some "Officers" which can be purely RP focused, but let me know if you'd rather not have that role

[turbid kernel]

Personally, I'm excited by the role!

[ember python]

hello hello Atlas, looks like a missed a lot.

[tired patio]

So the plan for us at the moment is to head for Elim City?

[pliant fjord]

Indeed

We'd engage the enemy Frigate, drop our troops, and get support from Storm

one of our unarmed ships will run to dock at the spaceport and offload whatever BG we're carrying

[turbid kernel]

Hold Elim until the main forces can arrive

[ember python]

Are we taking Pathfinders along?

[tired patio]

Is Storm coming in with us? Or Yolo-ing?

[pliant fjord]

Or Iron Hammer, unknown

[turbid kernel]

Not finalized but likely them or Iron Hammer

[topaz rivet]

Storm is planning on YOLO and meeting up with us when we come out of the gate

[tired patio]

Sweet. A BG to rock on with us.

Their gonna have to get past any hostile and that frigate in orbit over the city. Best of luck to them. Brave Brave Souls.

[pliant fjord]

YOLO, last I heard. They've been asking if we can deploy our fighters ahead of the group through the gate to deal with the enemy fighters

[solid hare]

Is it just me or does anyone else read BG as Big Gun?

[pliant fjord]

but that doesn't work

[tired patio]

We can't split a TF.

[pliant fjord]

yup, that's what we told them

[turbid kernel]

I think they're hoping we sortie them but I don't think we can sortie through a gate

[tired patio]

hmm

[pliant fjord]

it'd be a really expensive sortie for our 5 fighters

but might be worth it if we can save some VTOLs

[tired patio]

and would it even be worth it? Thats now sending our 5 pilots without support into an unknown gate situation and Storm would still need to get past whatever at Nav 1, and high orbit of the city. 🤔

[tired trench]

How many enemy fighters would we be facing?

[tired patio]

We don't know. Only confirmed 2.

[turbid kernel]

Keep in mind that if Simms hops to TF3 we'll be losing some air and cargo capacity. We may not have 5 fighters or as much LS as we do now.

[tired patio]

and a bunch of unknown sensor pings.

If the pings we're all hostile. Half dozen or more.

[royal sequoia]

I bring only one cargo, so that's not a big loss. And if I join Fluffle, they can drop one turn before us, and they can take care of those pesky fighters one turn earlier.

[tired patio]

Storms best feature is their maneuverability. If they have any hope of landing in the city.

Not sure even all 5 fighters would make a difference.

🤔

[ripe stratus]

Cant we just assume they use small reactors?

[pliant fjord]

speaking of Storm

[turbid kernel]

Do you have any crew that has cargo bays though?

[royal sequoia]

nope

two decks, one hmg, one scanner

[ripe stratus]

No no, this is 5 turns before we go for the city

[tired patio]

yeah could be spicy.

[turbid kernel]

Weirdly works out then. Still would miss you though. You're a good leader

[royal sequoia]

I wouldn't be happily leaving here trust me. You guys are amazing. But I'm sure fluffle people are nice too, and it'd just make more sense

[tired patio]

100% Fluffle is gonna be a good time.

[royal sequoia]

I've talked to the crew about it, they're mostly onboard, I just need the last one to give the greenlight.

[tired patio]

Well if you guys push Fluffle over the TF size requirement. It will be amazing to have a 3rd TaskForce online.

[pliant fjord]

I was hoping to keep GAC Cat, they're our only medic in the fleet

[jolly crypt]

we'll miss you too, (and above all our wonderful spreadsheet, looking at the fluffles spreadsheet its quite lackluster)

cats on our ship?

[pliant fjord]

at the moment, yea

[tired patio]

worse case we try and hook up with a medic in Victorium or in high orbit over a battlegroup with a few a borrow some for a round or 2. 😄

Do we have a VTOL pilot joining us?

[royal sequoia]

@novel oak It seems like there's a non zero chance the triple is moving over to task force fluffle. Would you be okay staying with Atlas on another ship? Or do you want to stay aboard? 🙂

[pliant fjord]

One, yes

[tired trench]

If fluffle needs a fighter pilot, I can also switch over.

[topaz rivet]

I support fluffle having fully loaded flight decks

[novel oak]

fluffle fits my playstyle better anyways but up to whatever yall need

[humble urchin]

Confirm good times. They even got bunny posters ! 🐰

[tired patio]

Check in with them. See if they have a bay for you. If they are going in as first TF. Then yeah I wish them to have full decks as well. lol

[lament wyvern]

We do.

[pliant fjord]

we'll have to make do I suppose

[tired patio]

https://tenor.com/view/ruby-rhod-bzzz-gif-5061895

[royal sequoia]

hey hey, let's not empty atlas 😆

[tired patio]

hehe this is Atlas Comms! you get! 😛

[humble urchin]

Oi oi leave me alone ! I'm just a messenger from Iron Hammer don't shoot me down ! xD

[lament wyvern]

Lmao, Fluffle here, we'd like filled bays, but our current priority is getting off the drawning board.

[royal sequoia]

That's entirely your choice 🙂 If you want to move over, feel free

[tired patio]

stop distractring our planning with your bunnies! Get out of here French! 😄

[topaz rivet]

Filling the bays helps you qualify

[humble urchin]

Neveeeer xD

[royal sequoia]

damn interlopers

[tired patio]

Yeah no hard feelings at all for groups reorganizing and units going we're their needed most.

Its part of the planning.

[tired trench]

I have joined fluffle

[tired patio]

Goodluck at the gate breach.

[humble urchin]

Godspeed Globemaster

[royal sequoia]

well I'm only waiting on my very own blandpizza, and I'll confirm the move

[tired patio]

lets make sure we keep the docs updated.

anyone make a fleet image yet? Of what we have so far?

Assets are in Tac-Com chat. I might do it later if we havent

[pliant fjord]

these are out of date, but I'll be remaking them today

[tired patio]

Also Captains! Make sure you figure out what direction your guns point!

[tired patio]

Remember they have defined arc's of fire depending on the mounts you have. Talk with your crew ect.

[royal sequoia]

btw cap, while you're here, and while I'm here, would you be ok spending your two req on ship modules? It's not a must, but Atlas has a lot more module space than available

[tired patio]

Does the endurance have open slots?

[royal sequoia]

yes, two slots open

[tired patio]

Yeah I can fill those spots.

Just remember you can only use kit on the ship your on.

[turbid kernel]

We can ask in meta chat if there's any medics willing to join up.

[tired patio]

What do we need? I will spend the last of my scratch.

[merry summit]

also while I have you what do u think of the Logistical Hub and are there any changes/additions that you'd like?

[tired patio]

Tell'em we need a fleet doctor? 😄

[pliant fjord]

If Simm leaves, that's our scanner also

[royal sequoia]

A scanner, more cargo bays, guns?

[pliant fjord]

and Endurance is currently unarmed, so maybe a gun?
An MBC would give us a little cred

[turbid kernel]

Cargo Space is always handy, We could use flight decks since Triple left, personally I want to use a breacher pod. And as Simm mentioned scanner would be good

[merry summit]

lists half the upgrades

[ember python]

we don't have a scanner w/out the Triple S, so that's high priority

[tired patio]

Cool. Scanner and a Cargo Bay is easy enough.

Mark me down for those.

[royal sequoia]

Thanks a lot! 🙂

[topaz rivet]

Woo!

[jagged mulch]

I'd join back, however I have become a TAC-COM for iron hammers

[humble urchin]

Aha, all part of my plan to trap you in ! >:)

No but uh, we can probably find another backup tac-com if you really wanna join 'em back.

[ember python]

Does that promotion come w/ a pay raise?

[humble urchin]

Yes, double then before !

So still 0.

But double !

[pliant fjord]

actually, knowing you'll be on the ground with us at Elim makes me much less worried

[ember python]

we could also potentially invest in a med bay

[jagged mulch]

Yeah, I'll be able to support atlas from the ground!

[novel oak]

I could also rejoin if yall need a medic

but I dont want to leave fluffles without a medic

[pliant fjord]

I think we'll be ok, don't let us dictate how you wanna play

[ember python]

you were always earmarked w/ the Triple S, i think we'll figure it, and you'll do good work w/ TF3

[pliant fjord]

Is that official now, Simm's joined Fluffle?

[ember python]

i think he wanted to touch base w/ one of his crew members first, but its pretty much a done deal

[novel oak]

I dont mind either way I just want everyone to have everything they need

[turbid kernel]

I say stay where you are in TF3, they're likely to need a medic more as a scout force.

[novel oak]

same thought process

[ember python]

i'm sad to see the Triple S go, but having TF3 be viable gives the whole fleet a lot more flexibility

[turbid kernel]

Agreed but TF2 is a bit more vulnerable without loss of 2 fighters and a HMG. While we still have drop deployment capabilities, I'm less certain of our ability to take out the frigate. We still have the bombers but less gun and fighters to cover us.

[pliant fjord]

do we still have the bombers? I thought they both signed up with Simm

[ember python]

ideally the frigate will be dealt w/ by TF3 and Storm?

[royal sequoia]

The bombers are with me

but yeah, the frigate should be taken care of before you guys arrive

[turbid kernel]

I thought the fighters with you. Damn we really can't take on a frigate lol

[ember python]

does the Flight Deck rework where they can hold 2 assets apply to HATs also?

[pliant fjord]

@royal sequoia
just to confirm, you're taking the following with you?

Warpit (Inf)
CommieCat (Med)
BlandPizza (Crew)
JesusforRent (Fighter)
Leveller (Fighter)
Milchibart (Bomber)
Bananaman (Bomber)

[royal sequoia]

yes! that seems to be correct

although pizza could just say no

and then we don't do it

[humble urchin]

So this is a whole orbital transfer ? Interesting !

[pliant fjord]

have you pinged him already, or should I?

[vestal ice]

can I come with

[pliant fjord]

I don't think they have heavy drop pods in fluffle

[vestal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

its fine

[pliant fjord]

we'll get you a pet bunny you can keep in the mech

[vestal ice]

make it a cat and you got a deal

[tired trench]

Emergency food. Nice.(the bunny. Not the cat)

[vestal ice]

I shall call it Roboleon

[pliant fjord]

My dog's named "Small Supply"

[vestal ice]

Or Watermelon

[merry summit]

no "Large Supply" isnt fat. He's just a bit fluffy

[vestal ice]

because cats are like watermelons

[novel oak]

hi

[vestal ice]

your not staying.

[novel oak]

I know

[vestal ice]

then why give me false hope

[novel oak]

I know alot of cats

I can hook you up with someone

[vestal ice]

I'm sure I can find one somewhere around the docks and cargo bays

[merry summit]

they multiply almost as fast as rabbits

[turbid kernel]

They are considered pests in Australia because of that, I believe lol

[pliant fjord]

Crewing and Duty Roster tabs have been updated to reflect the absence of TripleS.

(but the info is still on the doc if the change falls through)

We're still at 17 LS
But we're down 2 fighters, 2 bombers, and an HMG for orbital combat capabilities

Otherwise, the plan hasn't changed, we'll just have to do what we can. Maybe we can summon cantaloupe from the ether and get some breaching pods

[turbid kernel]

Fingers crossed. While the parameters mean it won't always be helpful against every orbital. Being able to use our shock infantry would be big

[pliant fjord]

plus, you don't need ODT training to use breaching pods

we can send in the onboard marines

[ember python]

have we locked in that we are brinign a BG? if so, we should lock in which one so they can plan accordingly.

[untold tusk]

Any place that I need to be? (Im a fighter)

[turbid kernel]

We already got you signed up on the Picket Line. Nothing more to do but to wait unfortunately.

[untold tusk]

Aight

[pliant fjord]

Yes, but we put a cap at 20, and they're still recruiting

we'll take whichever one is under 20 when the time comes, with a preference for Iron Hammer

[pliant fjord]

You all up to date on the plan and everything? Any questions while I'm here?

[untold tusk]

I am not up to date with it no

[pliant fjord]

There may or may not be enemy fighters right out of the gate, so all combat aircraft will be deployed as we pass through. The plan is to travel to Elim City, and support the defenders, secure the spaceport, and deliver a battlegroup.

There is one enemy frigate over Elim, which we've been tasked with engaging and destroying, with help from BG-Storm.

[ember python]

there was some discussion of going to relieve the otter civs holed up in the Hill Mine, but that Plan C seems to be off the table, i think because of difficulties reorging afterwards.

[pliant fjord]

yes, we wouldn't be able to recover our deployed units

If Iron Hammer gets too big, Pathfinder's mission may end up being that

[vestal ice]

not too much of an issue if we can save lives

[ember python]

we'd have to walk back with the orb flying over head to Elim, yeah?

so we're all together on the same tactical map

[ripe stratus]

Current storm plan "You could put it as:

• Turn -4
  • BG3 The Storm Blessed arrives in the Lumara system via Lussan Gate
  • Flies to Damar Rock Station to make contact with the mining company and their mining Light Frigates/Fighters
• Turn -3
  • Repair any damaged VTOLs
• Turn -2
  • TF3 Fluffle arrives in system
    • Maneuvers to whatever route they decide
  • Storm returns to Lussan Gate with mining company Light Frigates
• Turn -1
  • TF2 Atlas arrives in system
    • Flies to Elim City starport
    • Deploys their Drop Pods and Paratroopers
  • Storm flies to Elim City starport
    • VTOLs deploy troops to secure starport and rescue SVTOL/SF
• Turn 1
  • TF1 Victorum arrives in system
    • Flies to Elim City/Field Nav 1/Nav L-W1
  • Automated ARMCO Freighters move to Field Nav 1"

On turn 1 and 2 the frigate will presumably be engaged by storm

[pliant fjord]

@maiden belfry
We've picked up a new Scanner, you good to operate it?

[vestal ice]

Question: if Storm is engaged for longer than expected. What is the recovery situation for those on the ground? Do we wait or can we be picked up elsewhere where?

[high pike]

How do you mean?

We'll have plenty of extra VTOLs after our initial deployment to help get ground units to and from orbitals with VTOL Bays

Assuming you're referring to all this happening over Elim City

[turbid kernel]

If you're referring to Atlas units, We can use the starport and if Storm would be so willing they can ferry the mecha back up to us using their HVTOLs

[pliant fjord]

Recovery plan is to return on foot to the spaceport and hop onto a docked orbital

if there are logi-trucks or an airfield, we can use those instead

[ripe stratus]

You will have to hold the city for a few turns regardless

[pliant fjord]

Storm can recover our units for us if it's convenient for them

[ripe stratus]

But worst case you will have to relocate on the larger, strategic level transports if all the vtols get shot down

[pliant fjord]

We only have the one VTOL bay anyway

[ripe stratus]

This

Besides, we can assume some attrition on the ODT's

[pliant fjord]

yea, two ODTs with 6FS left between them only take up one VTOL

[ripe stratus]

Yeah

[high pike]

Yes, @toxic reef and I can help bring your Mechs back up to your orbitals if time allows

[ripe stratus]

Imo 1 fs represents 2 individual people

For the numbers on carrying capacity and damage to make sense

[high pike]

Doesn't 3025 Medical technology amaze?

So long as at least one member of a squad is there to stabilize, they'll make a full recovery

[ripe stratus]

Suprisingly they still cant make a half decent LAMS system for the ships

Looking at current irl trends, nearly every vehicle appears to be getting increasingly stupid amounts of weaponry

Where and ifv might expect 3 or 4 different weapon systems

And some tanks getting as many as 6

(Usually less)

[high pike]

We should stop clogging up TF2's Comms

[ripe stratus]

Remote controlled turrets are a hell of a drug

Oh sorry yeah

[twin widget]

[INTERLOPING]

[pliant fjord]

@wintry pawn , @sturdy dew , @fast cobalt

Balancing crews to meet minimum requirements has ended up putting one of you on a separate ship. You'll all be able to drop to the same location at the same time with no issues so you can stay together on the ground as desired.

I've randomly selected Yoger to move to our new BC-Banksia, but if any of you have a preference, please let me know.

[twin widget]

oops-

[pliant fjord]

go on, git!

[ember python]

-- please clear comms of all shitposts, i repeat, clear all comms of shitposting

[pliant fjord]

-# A bit every now and then is fine, I enjoy a good giggle, and this isn't a real operation

[ember python]

to be frank, i'm just shitposting about shitposting, so its all in good fun

[vestal ice]

Hard to tell maybe use /j to make it clear for us special ones

[ember python]

alright, Atlas, I'm headed to my day job. i'll be back to check in later.

[vestal ice]

Have a productive day

[novel oak]

quick they’re gone lets burn down this channel

[royal sequoia]

Don't worry, I fully intend to stay active here :p I'm not leaving this channel that I helped build up

[royal sequoia]

That would be very much appreciated 🙂

[plain dew]

Oh boy, seems a lot of changes are abound.

Any more exciting, pieces of information we have received from recon?

[merry summit]

not as of yet

[soft sluice]

Scout SF found dead holding the last friendly Air Tower in the Space Port.
-# /j

[turbid kernel]

Had me scared lol

[pliant fjord]

Damn. I really hoped we could rescue them.
-# Grrr I fell for that hard

[plain dew]

Oh we lost a destroy to fluffle too? How far back does that set us on fighter capacity? (I also saw our Tuesday BC is delayed due to rq payout).

[royal sequoia]

Tuesday bc is in now 😄

And I'm not gone quite yet, still waiting on one crew to be ok with it. But I'm taking away most of strike capacity sadly, 2 fighters and 2 bombers

[jagged pagoda]

So we lost Simm to TF3? ;-;

[royal sequoia]

likely

[turbid kernel]

We lost 2 fighters and our bombers. We have the BC though

[turbid kernel]

Same 😭

[vestal ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-im-gonna-cry-alright-gif-15984611

[jagged pagoda]

You too?

[turbid kernel]

Oh no, I'm still here. Just sad about it too. Sometimes I still hear his voice on the wind

[jagged pagoda]

Ikr 😢

[vestal ice]

@turbid kernel I heard it too

[novel oak]

as a medic Im prescribing yall antipsychotics

[jagged pagoda]

It's like he's still here... In our hearts...

[novel oak]

you shouldnt be hearing voices

[royal sequoia]

I'm worried

[turbid kernel]

Don't take my dreams with your pills! 💊

[royal sequoia]

that's a nice slogan

for an evil medic squad

[maiden belfry]

can do ill read up on it tonight so im ready

[jagged mulch]

We all shall be with you in spirit

[alpine condor]

Are the admin commands for the bot meant to show up for me? Am I going crazy? Didn’t see them before

[alpine condor]

He’s dead to me

Simm? Never heard of em

[stuck mountain]

they show for me also, not tried them lol

[turbid kernel]

@sage perch Seems we may have an issue with SAM apparently normal users are seeing the admin commands

[plain dew]

Oof

[vestal ice]

We should have a memorial service for Simm tomorrow

[jagged pagoda]

I keep hearing Vivian too

[alpine condor]

We don’t celebrate traitors

[stuck mountain]

who?

[jagged mulch]

Damn

[sage perch]

Yes, you can see them but cannot run them, The most I can do is hide them from other servers, but I cannot hide them from specific users

[jagged mulch]

Guess me and Simm have been marked as traitors

[jagged pagoda]

No idea... The name just came to me in a dream

[alpine condor]

Ahh, interesting

[vestal ice]

But he is the reason I am here. In my (hopefully) one way mission

[jagged pagoda]

He is the reason about half of us (or maybe a third) are here XD

[vestal ice]

(Probably less now)

[stuck mountain]

dont worry gonna drop you like a projectile turd

[vestal ice]

Sweet

[novel oak]

no dont die on me yet I need someone to blame

[novel oak]

I tried it can confirm it did not work

[jagged mulch]

I already left a while ago 😅

[novel oak]

but I can still blame you

[stuck mountain]

arent you on simms ship your not here either

the chat here is all not tf2 people lol

[novel oak]

I keep my ear to the ground

I suppose that means I should bug TF1 too

[pliant fjord]

updated rosters

[novel oak]

damn TTS

thats nice

[pliant fjord]

s'what I know

[novel oak]

fair

I just usually associate TTS with fancier stuff

bc you need models and whatnot

[pliant fjord]

yea, lucked out and found a bunch of space assets

though we've got some creators working on the icon tokens too

[noble owl]

Whatever is more familiar for the tac com. It’s not too hard to find some generic assets that can work for a while

[pliant fjord]

there's a couple sanctioned mods too, with most of the ARMCO assets

[vestal ice]

atleast I have my best friend @alpine condor still here

[noble owl]

Can you send me those? Or how to get to them? I’m not at my pc right now but I’ll want those for later

[pliant fjord]

If you want the customized ones with the colorable bases, you'll have to hop into TTS with me, but these should work fine (PM'd you the link)

[noble owl]

Ty for that🔥

I’ve honestly just got to spend some time refreshing my knowledge of TTS. It’s been a while since I’ve used it for much😆

[hot haven]

what mod did you use to get those props?

[pliant fjord]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1396409000

[hot haven]

awesome, thx

[pliant fjord]

then modified a parchisi board to be the colored base

Its hex shaped XD

[hot haven]

im sure ill figure it out (probably wont tho xD)

[pliant fjord]

At some point, I'll offer a little TTS tutorial, and anyone who shows up can save the custom assets

[maiden belfry]

that would be an awesome resource

[solid hare]

Wait Ignite got moved to a new BC?

[turbid kernel]

Yes apologies, the new BC joined us and we needed to shift units around to crew it. If this doesn't work for you please let us know

[solid hare]

Okay, no worries just was a little confused, not sure how crewing works, or does that just mean since we're PAI thst just means we deploy from there?

[turbid kernel]

Yep you just deploy from there. yeah we just have to make sure there's enough units assigned to each ship to meet the minimum requirement on each ship or else it doesn't fly lol.

[royal sequoia]

Turns out orbital crew is already hard to find. We're never going to manage next campaign.

[jagged mulch]

I mean, hopefully people are willing to spend req on the orbital equipment

[royal sequoia]

I'll sell the Triple and man whatever ship one of my boys bought.

[jagged mulch]

I can understand why it's hard though tbh

Orbital crew isn't exactly the most appealing class

[turbid kernel]

The time learning how orbitals work makes me super excited about it but yeah, I'm gonna use my RP to get Captain.

[plain dew]

I've been thinking about that too, but I think there's plenty of fun/fulfilling elements. I think ideally you want a gun & a action/hanger bay, but with 2 rq your limited on the gun choices, but to further add to it, your limited by what ship picks you up. For example, a decked out crew with the mbc with a full 360 turret eats a lot of CS. But I don't know how that is balanced.

[vestal ice]

guess this vote means nothing

[pliant fjord]

Yes sorry, I made an announcement earlier, but couldn't tag everyone without maybe getting banned

It won't change our ability to drop, and there's nothing crazy we'll need to do on board other than repel hypothetical boarders

[pliant fjord]

it was 7 to 2 when we made the decision, didn't expect many more to do the poll

[vestal ice]

Havent the goal posts changed since Simm left?

[pliant fjord]

we can do another poll, but we've also got all 17 VTOLs from Storm AND TF 3 attacking

It's like 85-95% that we destroy it in one round

So Simm will still be there

[vestal ice]

was an honest question from a newbie. so thanks for clearing up

[jagged mulch]

Yeah, no, that frigate is fucked

[pliant fjord]

all good, keep asking when you got em'!

[jagged mulch]

And yeah, I'm sure you guys will see Simm plenty

Gotta cooperate and all afterall

[solid hare]

Okay sounds good, thanks!

[humble urchin]

Transfered here too for your knowledge

Or, keeping track of stuff, I guess.

[pliant fjord]

Bless, thanks

For anyone wondering, Iron Hammer has more Armor and AP than Pathfinder, as well as a solid foundation of support units, and should do better at holding Elim with us than a recon/logistics force.

[humble urchin]

Bangin'.

[abstract thunder]

Much easier to manage with my 5 LS

[pliant fjord]

100%, Even with Iron Hammer, we'll still have 13 LS in the chamber.

[eager pendant]

Yeah what are my objectives?

[humble urchin]

Not die.

[pliant fjord]

1. Repel borders
2. Be paradropped into a warzone when we get there
3. Shoot robots
4. When the call comes, return to the spaceport for retrieval, and repeat.

Check out the doc if you haven't done so in a while, there've been a lot of updates

On a larger scale, we're trying to take and maintain control of the only friendly spaceport left on the planet.

[merry summit]

I feel like crew getting a sidegrade or something would be a good direction to go with them. Cuz rn the only thing they do is buy more rooms or get an orbital of their own which, while very nice definitely adds to the needing more crew issue

[pliant fjord]

I guess more rooms means they have more options for recruitment

[plain dew]

Yea they need something. Ive had a few ideas, but they upset the balance too much. Stuff like, weapons crewed by orbital crews cost 1 less CS, or they are allowed to do 2 ship primary actions rather than just one. But that might push them too far out of line.

[merry summit]

Half the rooms don’t give crew themselves options, or can be bought by other units for themselves

Need to give ‘em a list of actions unlocked like engi or medics with their specializations

[pliant fjord]

Officer specialization could be fun

Like bonus damage or armor penetration for a tactical officer

Double scanning actions for a science officer

Repair even when not supplied for a Chief Deckhand

just spitballing here

[merry summit]

I don’t think shack would go for doubling or damage mods like that unfortunately

[pliant fjord]

It could work like elevation on the ground, if it needs a vehicle parallel

just a straight +1 to damage

[merry summit]

Maybe give them access to alternative contract ordinances?

Incindiary -auto hit target no damage. starts a fire

[pliant fjord]

oh, extra refills on LRMs

(probably busted)

[plain dew]

i was just going to say... how do people feel about LRM?

currently, almost no one has selected it as an upgrade option, across all its variants

[merry summit]

Could even give the officer path access to mini strategic actions 🧐

[plain dew]

I count 3 or 4 LRM signups across the entire ARMCO team.

[pliant fjord]

it's expensive, can only be used once, and only the ODT version has AP last time I checked

so against a tank, its a 25% chance of doing 1 hit

It's main draw is the 3 range

[ripe stratus]

lrm should totally have ap

its ridiculous that it does not

[pliant fjord]

I think it should ignore defense but not armor

[ripe stratus]

just any form of missile really

[pliant fjord]

the missile doesn't care about your cover

[plain dew]

that would make it alot more appealing to fighters to take

[ripe stratus]

autocannon, which I presume is 25-40mm, has ap

but both would be good ideas

[pliant fjord]

For fighters, it's like D&D's Action surge

Once per game, attack twice instead of once

in a 1v1 dogfight, being able to get 2 hits in one round could save your life

[plain dew]

oh whoops, im confusing the AA missile with LRM

[pliant fjord]

Silvers has an AA missile

[plain dew]

The AA missile makes sense, 1 time per game, per rack.

[pliant fjord]

yea, I treat LRM as the catch-all term, but some units have to specify AA vs Ground only

[plain dew]

I guess im specifically looking at the LRM for orbitals (as apart of that discussion earlier). I find it hard to trade 2 CS for 3 shots that can be shot down for just having a MBC.

[ripe stratus]

Also multiple rocket pods like on helicopter (not big missiles, just srm's) should be able to reload at a base if the base has supply

[plain dew]

So was curious how others felt.

[ripe stratus]

but it should eat up the supply

[pliant fjord]

it's really expensive, yea.

Orbitals get 3 salvos instead of 1 though.

[eager pendant]

You are talking about the Atlas document right?

[pliant fjord]

And since they can fire them all at once, it can do really good burst damage against 1 Armor orbitals

Even against higher armor ships, the more dice you roll, the better

[plain dew]

Does that mean you have the option to launch 3d4 all at once? or is it 3 x 3d4?

[pliant fjord]

1d4 per salvo, up to 3d4 at once if you want

but since they're separate weapons, each one can deal a hit

[plain dew]

I see.

But if you pop them round 1, your out the rest of the campaign right?

[pliant fjord]

yup

but you don't have to worry about a long engagement if the enemy is dead

so slapping some missiles on what is primarily a support ship is not a terrible plan

My dream ship has Breaching Pods, Heavy Drop Pods, and LRMs

and 4 PAI

[plain dew]

yeah... it just feels underwhelming i guess comparing that to say, MBC. I think its an alot more interesting comparison between LRM and the 1 req options.

[pliant fjord]

agreed, MBC can do consistent damage every time, but at shorter range. The LRMs can fire from out of range.

if we were doing cost/benefit analysis, the main factor would be how long the campaign is going

[plain dew]

yea, shorter the game, LRM do better.

Also another factor i guess is realistically, how many rounds are you actually in combat and shooting

[pliant fjord]

yea, that too

[plain dew]

I would assume its more often than not, but doesnt necessarily have to be the case.

[pliant fjord]

that's what makes the social part so valuable, you can plan those engagements, and act according to your equipment

when you need my LRMs, call on me, and we'll fire

[plain dew]

Going back to Key point, i feel like thats a nice compromise, if you eat a LS, you get a reload. I think that puts it closer to the MBC at least at the 2 req cost.

[ripe stratus]

mhm, I also think there should probably be some attention to making the artillery and truck playstyles more fun, not sure how though, its just the inherent aspect of distance from danger, combined with slow speed.

[plain dew]

Id love to get a LRM, i think the concept is cool, but with it how it is if i had an orbital crew id probably just got auto cannon /flight deck.

[pliant fjord]

Having played logi in a local game, I can say that the fun comes from "a grand awareness of the map as a whole" rather than the focus of "killing this one enemy effectively". It's a kind of sweet nirvana when you can pick up a medic, drop them off near the infantry, continue on, drop off your supply at the engineer frantically keeping the MBTs alive, then drive away in serenity.

Artillery likes the attention I think lol. They don't ask how they can help, people ask them.

[ripe stratus]

true true, maybe increase arty range?

[merry summit]

Arty definitely has their thing and engagement options. As well as refit potential

[pliant fjord]

Backline sniper is always a fun playstyle. Artillery fills that niche in this game

[merry summit]

Only unit that can consistently ‘damage’ multiple units at once too

[abstract thunder]

Arty was always fun, hence why I played it two times

[tropic solar]

Hey since there seems to be quite a bit of unit shift and plans to maybe transport one of the smaller BGs is it still possible for you to help Shovels with Large Supply to build the Airfield?

[pliant fjord]

I think with the inherent delay involved in the deployment, the supply cost of the airfield will be less than we anticipated

[pliant fjord]

plus, we have more supply than we did before, so yes, I think that's still the plan

we'll also be supplying TF 3 periodically, so we'll have to keep a close eye on the spending

Still aiming for Crossroads?

[ripe stratus]

how long after you leave elim?

we might be able to come to crossroads with you?

[pliant fjord]

I am assuming once Elim is clear, our main force will push through crossroads then split off to the other objectives

[ripe stratus]

logical, though i know we have atleast two BG heading towards the mines so dwarf fortress can land there

[pliant fjord]

that might be too far in advance to say anything with certainty, but Crossroads seems like the next logical step for support. We can shuttle supplies down to the airfield, and Logi-corps can deliver it to multiple BGs at once

Depending on the location of the enemy's main force, which I'm guessing is at Ziyal, Crossroads is going to have to be the wall that holds back the hoard for the other objectives.

[ivory anvil]

evening what did i miss

[turbid kernel]

@royal sequoia had a question for you

[plain dew]

is dwarf fortress not landing with the NPC frigates?

[ember python]

they have to, they are far too large to get transported by a TF

[pliant fjord]

They were wondering if you were ok following TripleS into taskforce 3

[plain dew]

thats what i thought... I kinda assumed they would have enough firepower to push into the mine by themselves, but i might be way off base on that.

[ripe stratus]

Correct, so we wont be supporting them

[abstract thunder]

Welcome @warm elbow to the crew

[warm elbow]

@abstract thunder Acknowledged. Parameters received. Assuming duties.

[fast cobalt]

lucky me

[turbid kernel]

Welcome! Make sure to sign up on the pinned Google doc. May I ask what kind of unit you're bringing?

Nevermind, I see you're crew and bringing some good stuff!

[royal sequoia]

Hey 🙂 So the situation is that currently Fluffle cannot exist as a taskforce without an extra ship, they're lacking people. So I've been considering leaving Atlas and joining Fluffle. But I won't do it without the crew agreeing.

In my opinion:

Pros: Our ship is a perfect match for them, we're fast, and we pack a punch. Plus sensors, perfect for scouting. It would also make fluffle into a proper taskforce, ending their pain of hunting for people.
Cons: Leaving our og people, could be felt like a betrayal. And it's going to be more dangerous for us, more risk.

It's not an easy decision imo, and one that should be taken collectively.

Let me know what you think! I've also sent you a friend request for the crew chat where I sent the question.

[pliant fjord]

If it helps you both* decide, we've taken the time to see what the reorganized fleet would look like, and we're still crewed up and can still most likely meet all our initial goals. I think both fleets are planning to meet at Elim anyway to take on the enemy, and we'll be working closely with Fluffle to keep it supplied.

It won't hurt us if you want to go, and they could use the help.

We'll keep an eye out for the TripleS!

[jagged pagoda]

Morning :D

[jagged pagoda]

We will carry the burden of its loss, and it will live on in our hearts as an Atlas ship

[royal sequoia]

Morning 🙂 Still no pizza news for now

Luckily we have time

I think we lost Jarn. Although don't blame me for that one, it's just because he can't drop with his PAI.

[jagged pagoda]

Sadness

[alpine condor]

Yeah, not that I want to leave just that I don’t really want to be spending the game garrisoned in a ship

Also, Rabbit needed more AT assets and I have cool missiles

[jagged pagoda]

Fair enough, have fun with Rabbit :D

[jagged pagoda]

Vivian felt the same tbf XD

[royal sequoia]

well it's one missile. You'll shoot one tank

[granite otter]

Better then nothing ig

[jagged pagoda]

Better they lose one tank than keep it to use against other BGs

[royal sequoia]

true

[alpine condor]

Then I can get resupplied

I’m sure it’ll be fine

[royal sequoia]

I don't think it can be reloaded during the campaign sadly. Although I could be wrong

[humble urchin]

Cons: Leaving our og people, could be felt like a betrayal. And it's going to be more dangerous for us, more risk.

Thoses who think this is a betrayal leaving your original group to join another group that is hurting for members to become official should not be in armco in the first place

It's a good thing, it's for the good of Armco that you guys switch over to Fluffle to make them official, if you all wish to do so.

(And I do mean the word betrayal, like being saddened is alright, just thinking this is flat out betrayal is not okay in my subjective, iron hammer eyes)

[jagged pagoda]

I joke about a betrayal, but it isn't actually XD
This is entirely to be a fun experience, and if they want to have fun as Fluffle, it's entirely their choice :)

[humble urchin]

Oh yeah I wasn't aiming at you or anyone really, I just saw this mentionned and I thought "I need to put my 2 cents in this"

You have a good mentality :D

[abstract thunder]

In the end we are all gonna die to the bots so who does it matter who you die with?

[jagged pagoda]

Nope :D

Though I'd more prefer they "die" to us :p

They aren't alive, so they can't die... Unless they're like the first iteration of the Cybermen from Doctor Who 🤔 then they can die.

[sturdy dew]

Sorry guys I've lost a lot of messages in the past days. Is our drop force actually the first group to get in Elim? 🤔

[high pike]

Alongside Storm and Fluffle, yes

Also sounds like y'all will be deploying Iron Hammer

[humble urchin]

If we don't go past 20 units, yes

[royal sequoia]

I just rechecked, none of Storm's vtols have anti air capability. They could have brought a couple of aa missiles.

Isn't it almost suicide to go in first out the gate, with confirmed enemy fighter presence?

[humble urchin]

I mean, do you guys got guns ?

[royal sequoia]

Atlas can defend itself yeah. One hmg, one autocanon, 2 fighters

[humble urchin]

Great. :D

[royal sequoia]

and we'll never be there alone without support x)

(hopefully)

[granite otter]

It surely is

[noble owl]

Yeah storm seems like they might go up in flames these first few turns

[humble urchin]

Not again, not again, not again.

I swear if they go up in blazes I'm striking Storm Blessed as a spiritual successor to Stormchaser.

But they seem to take precautions, I've heard storm will only move with a TF escort, I just forgot which one.

[royal sequoia]

well it has to be fluffle, no other task force is faster

and with the triple, fluffle also would relatively well defended

funily enough, without the triple, fuffle has exactly the same armament as atlas x)

[humble urchin]

Each time fluffle is mentionned, I imagine orbitals with a fur on them.

[tropic solar]

Alright I am just curious since there is quite a bit of stuff to track for that airfield 😅

[jagged mulch]

Didn't we already know that they're suicidal?

[merry summit]

Speak for yourself. I’m gonna take em all on myself if I have to 😁

[royal sequoia]

Ho, and I can keep taking care of supply calculations for Atlas if you guys are ok with it 🙂 for now it's all good with the extra bc

Even spending 4 supply carrying a battlegroup, we'd have enough to fuel everything (shovels, Fluffle, ourselves) for 14 turns

[tropic solar]

Jeez how much do you have by now?

[tiny rover]

Good fluffle is on 2 LS lol

[royal sequoia]

They'll be on three with me

[tiny rover]

should I add you to the google doc?

[royal sequoia]

So enough for six turns of independent operations, one resupply, and they should be good for most of the game

[tiny rover]

I have both open atm

[royal sequoia]

I will once I get confirmation from my last crew member, no worries 🙂

[tiny rover]

I'll just calculate it personally

[royal sequoia]

We're up to 17

And that's assuming a turn 3 airbase, pushing it back will also save us some supply consumption

[tiny rover]

Alright when are we getting the first solo orbital task force

[tropic solar]

Oh wow ok yeah that should be more than enough even if the Airfield depot is only a one time increase

[tiny rover]

how many campaigns until that happens?

[royal sequoia]

That kinda was my plan for next game :p buy a battleship, deck it out with drop capability and flight decks

Be a one ship qrf

[tropic solar]

Isn’t battleship just speed 1?

[royal sequoia]

Good point

Be a one ship slow response force

But anyways, I think next game we'll have waaay too many orbitals, so I'll probably just go back to my beloved engies

[tiny rover]

I would definitly suggest using a battlecruiser for that idea instead of a battleship

[tropic solar]

Slow carrier protection so SCP would be funny

[royal sequoia]

I will now steal that idea for later X)

[tropic solar]

Happy to give funny name suggestions 😄

[royal sequoia]

Ho, and right now my calculations are with the airbase being resupplied three turns at a time

It'd be dope being able to store some supply there though

[merry summit]

That would be nice actually. Worry about protecting an air field instead of losing an orbital and potentially LS

[royal sequoia]

Yup

No matter our size, we'll get destroyed by any half combat kitted fleet

The only respite is that we're ok against missiles and fighters

So we won't just explode when looked at wrong

[tropic solar]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it is possible considering Shack implied that sorties can also start from airfields

[royal sequoia]

Oh. That's be grand

We'll have to figure that out

[red brook]

That's why I'm thinking of making a mech next season tbh

[royal sequoia]

Orbital crew will be in high demand

Making an all stealth force would be dope too

[alpine condor]

Getting a bunch of stealth VTOLS and SF would be cool

Running around doing Splinter Cell shit

[royal sequoia]

Yeah. Maybe we could get a stealth spaceship refit too.

[tiny rover]

CLOAKING FEILDS

that'd be so cool

[royal sequoia]

But it'd need to be really limiting though. Can't be op

[tiny rover]

I'm totally not just trying to add more subsytems from FTL

[alpine condor]

Stealth frigate

[royal sequoia]

But yeah, stealth destroyer, 3 VTOL bays for 6 stealth vtols and their infantry, plus the cloaking field module

[tiny rover]

I'm mainly hoping that it could go on missions like the spec ops vtol did this game before the game starts

[royal sequoia]

Yup

After the battle starts it can still scout space

All systems off, chilling on an asteroid, with passive sensors pinging everything that goes through a system

While the rest of stealth forces run around on the surface

[alpine condor]

And then of course naming it Red October or something

[tiny rover]

Yeah that would be awesome, it could be an ability that costs LS. I also think it would be cool if it just activates when you land

[royal sequoia]

Activating for LS makes sense actually

[alpine condor]

Stealth field that makes you unable to fire when active and also more vulnerable to enemy fire

[alpine condor]

The ship is discovered by the massive indentations the landing gear create

[tiny rover]

that would be 2 cs already for a destroyer, 1 landing gear, 1 cloaking feild

assuming its so cheap

[royal sequoia]

Making a battleship into a pure freighter could be fun too. 17 cargo bays X) the only issue is that it needs like 8 crew, so 8 players with literally nothing to do

I feel like a cloaking field would also have a size limitation

[tiny rover]

afk players dream

[royal sequoia]

Yup X)

Make money by literally not playing the game

Can just RP playing cards

[granite otter]

Full-on stealth TF with stealth VTOL’s and special forces sounds so cool

[pliant fjord]

I know you've already decided to leave, but have you considered joining Iron Hammer? They're gonna end up first on the planet most likely.

[tiny rover]

I curently have them in rabbit

[alpine condor]

Yeah but I felt it sounded like fun to run straight at the enemy at high speed

And also I wanna go to the Rock

[fast cobalt]

sounds very expensive

[royal sequoia]

is it ok if I remove you fom atlas sheet?

[alpine condor]

Wow, you just wanna get rid of me huh? (Yeah)

[royal sequoia]

It goes that Quick in Atlas

[alpine condor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[royal sequoia]

Cheese isn't gonna be happy, he lost his marines again x)

I hope it's fun over at Rabbit though

I feel like we'll all see each other

[alpine condor]

I think people missed my Atlas Shrugged joke, I’m utterly devastated

[pliant fjord]

I also like that our TF is planetary support.

[pliant fjord]

Like that cow that jumped over the barbed wire fence

It was udder destruction

[abstract thunder]

I’m going to parlay with the bots if I hear another bad joke

[pliant fjord]

They certainly don't tell jokes

[humble urchin]

another bad joke

[abstract thunder]

Alright that it, time to switch sides

[humble urchin]

D:

[pliant fjord]

We've picked up another ship, and put you on them for now, but we still need to know if you're unit is activated, and what you've purchased for your second equipment!

[ripe stratus]

None of us could buy the missiles

So we have to ignore our 3 turn advantage

[royal sequoia]

that sucks :/

[high pike]

Mhm. All because of a few fighters...

[royal sequoia]

and 9 blips

Ok guys, it's confirmed, the Triple is leaving Atlas for Fuffle. It was a pleasure working with you all, and I will continue living in this chat anyways because I like it.

[jagged mulch]

I wish you luck

And I see you also decided to keep living in this chat too :p

[jolly crypt]

same ill still keep an eye on this chat

[novel oak]

Im just sticking around bc I like the people here

[cerulean coral]

i think we need a homeless shelter in this chat now

[novel oak]

its the adoptable box

[turbid kernel]

They've already been adopted they ust keep coming back during feeding time lol

[jagged mulch]

Unfortunately I don't have a civilian aid shelter or anything like that

[novel oak]

its bc yall are supply so theres always excess sitting around and everyone else just comes over for dinner a couple times a week

[turbid kernel]

That's actually a really good point. We're basically the ice cream ship

[wet shore]

Wait, our combat rations have an ice cream allotment?!?

[novel oak]

sometimes

trouble is it melts

but while they can keep it cold yes

[wet shore]

Need to have a chat with my quartermaster corps

[pliant fjord]

We should start charging for admission. Costs 1 unit to hang out. /s

[humble urchin]

We had an ice cream truck back in C3...

It was, gunpowdered ice cream, but ice cream nontheless

Don't remember how exactly it worked for supplying arty...

[novel oak]

alternatively I have a bribe

we’re doing barbecue over at fluffles. I sneak you some and you sneak me some ice cream

[pliant fjord]

Unfortunately, Percy has all of our icecream stores, and he's busy negotiating with the bots

[novel oak]

rip

welp plan B time

theft

[pliant fjord]

XD

-# fyi, I'll probably have to make a "no more nonsense" announcement at some point, but that's not for a couple days at least. But nonsense is engagement, and I love it, so you're all welcome.

[turbid kernel]

Time to bring back Pressganging

[pliant fjord]

I'd settle for a good clear plan from Fluffle

[novel oak]

o7

[pliant fjord]

Last I heard you were stopping at Nav 1 to screen for the fleet

[novel oak]

I’ll ask around and get a definitive answer

[pliant fjord]

okeedoke

[novel oak]

how do yall feel about having to potentially tank?

[royal sequoia]

shhh, too early :p

[novel oak]

its just a backup plan

it depends on how good our intel is

[turbid kernel]

Optimally no, we would prefer not to enagae at all. besides yall got bombers now

[novel oak]

dw its in case the frigate has unexpected company

hopefully we’ll have the bugger down before you get here

[turbid kernel]

sounds like we're both running then lol we can in a pinch but out anti-orbital capability is extremely low and out ability to repait ourselves is also non-existant

[pliant fjord]

repairing just takes a repair kit and a crew action

And Banksia has a Damage Control Team, which doubles repairs

[royal sequoia]

so actually, good tanking capabilities

a DCT is amazing now

[pliant fjord]

at least on the unarmed ship lol

playing around with some formations now

[turbid kernel]

They really need to have it put what actions can be taken on an orbital by default. I thought you only get the reapir orbital action if you took DCT and only on the ship that has DCT

So it's been confirmed that an orbital can repair itself even without a DCT?

[pliant fjord]

Yes. What else would the free repair kits be for otherwise?

The DCT lets you repair two hits instead of one, when the crew takes the repair action

[turbid kernel]

So you have moer than the one repair kit if you take DCT or if you take the orbital arm without having to buy more repair kit storage

[pliant fjord]

And any crew can take the repair action

[turbid kernel]

Fair enough, I know i'm still hesitant but I'm just crew we may need to make a poll

[pliant fjord]

Oh yeah, that's not necessarily the plan, it's just nice to know it's an option

[ember python]

i feel like we gotta clean up our sign up sheet, its still got folks who are w/ TF3 now, i think. its hard to tell what's current.

[pliant fjord]

It wasn't official until today, so yea, it's on my list

[novel oak]

why does yall’s map have a massive enemy concentration at Nav L-W1

[ember python]

i honestly don't know, its just what was floating around

it seems likely there will be combat somewhere around there, since the bots are coming from that general direction? i dunno.

[pliant fjord]

All I know is TF1 is headed that way with the intention of engaging the enemy's fleet

[turbid kernel]

I don't know who made it but I just assumed it was there to imply that there was other pings besides the fighters but didn't want to clutter the map too badly?

[pliant fjord]

It's really just speculation

We don't even know if they have a fleet or not, it's assumed that they will

The meta answer is: Would Shack really only include one enemy vessel in the campaign?

[turbid kernel]

Yeah, we're just assuming the fighters came from somewhere. While they could have flown from the planet it's just as likely there's an orbital carrier

[pliant fjord]

What makes me most nervous, is:
"What if the enemy fleet is over Ziyal, and when they see TF2&3, they come gunning for us, ignoring TF1"

with our troops deployed at Elim, we can't flee, only stall for TF1 to get there

[turbid kernel]

Then we run to TF1 lol, we can recover drop assets (between a space port and Storm's HVTOL if they're willing) and run but it would still be slow going but arguably faster than waiting for TF1 but only by 1 round I think. However, if they have a battleship they're only moving at speed 1 which buys us time

[pliant fjord]

yea, there's too many variables to predict that far in advance

that's just my personal worst case scenario

[turbid kernel]

yeah, we don't know the reality until we're there but we may want to have a rapid escape plan just in case lol

[novel oak]

we stand our ground and pray to god victoria can move fast

[turbid kernel]

Okay, Brainstorming but if we end up having to take it on. Boarding it would be our best option. Get close to tank like what was recommended but a VTOL carrying the PAI with an autogun will automatically succeed in getting through the hatch no? AC has 1 AP and an external hatch is 1 hit with 1 armor. Then they could board and shut down the engine. If it stays still for a turn then any orbital could come alongside and do a forced docking. Depositing more infantry before assaulting the bridge.

[pliant fjord]

That's what we'll do if we don't have support, yea. Though neither of our PAI have an Autocannon.

We Have been promised support though.

[novel oak]

dont worry our current vote is 5-0 towards Nav-1

so I think we can reasonably confidently predict support against the frigate

[high pike]

External Hatch Armor = Vessel Armor

[turbid kernel]

I thought one did? Maybe I'm misremembering again or someone just mentioned wanting on and I took it as having one.

[turbid kernel]

Which is 1 for a frigate

[pliant fjord]

Nope.
Still a good chance to breach a frigate. 2-6 on a D6 is success.

[turbid kernel]

True enough, was trying to think of a way of getting engineers there but we only have one VTOL. I know chances are it'll be dead but figured it would be good to have a game plan just in case

[pliant fjord]

Yup, that's a solid plan for that case

[royal sequoia]

I don't think you'll have to deal with the frigate at all though. It'll probably be Fluffle and Storm moving at the same time

So you should be safe

[sturdy dew]

yeah we're not really able to fight effectively at this point, we should try to avoid face on engagements in space. also we lost our last medic right?

[royal sequoia]

Yup...

[plain dew]

What if we pay a large supply to "sortie" while our fleet runs for the hills 😂

[pliant fjord]

Only air units can Sortie, unless that's been changed

[plain dew]

Darn, worth a try

[turbid kernel]

Yeah, but it's not as hopeless as I feared. I still think we can take on the frigate if we absolutely had to. Optimally we don't but the situation can always change

[pliant fjord]

agreed

[plain dew]

How does shot priority work in space? Is it similar to ground forces where AP weapons will target vehicles first? So if the frigate had a gun, would it target our orbitals first, or could I just run my fighter at it in evasion and soak the shots?

[pliant fjord]

There's a priority chart for them.

It's based on threat and capability to hit.

The higher AP of their weapons, the more likely they are to target armored targets.

So an Autocannon would ignore you in favor of the orbitals.

An HMG might target you instead, but if there's one fighter in evasive, and one not, it'll target the one that's not.

The only real abusable "cheese" is formation flying. Any hits (on units smaller than orbitals) from the enemy are spread out across the formation.

So if 4 fighters flying in formation (same defense, same location), are hit for 2 hits, it won't destroy one plane. It'll distribute 2 hits to two different planes.

Same for Infantry and Vehicles

HMGs also cannot target orbitals, last I checked

[midnight lotus]

you say its cheese but its intended

[pliant fjord]

yea, not exactly cheese (hence the quotations), just the best tactical behavior for groups.

same rules applies to us (orbitals are an exception and can and WILL be focus fired upon)

[turbid kernel]

Do you know if it's possible for an orbital to target subsystems of another orbital? Could they target their engine, for example?

[pliant fjord]

I don't believe so.

The randomness of the Dice rolling is intended for that. If it takes 4 damage (not hits) it starts a fire, which disables a random system.

Boarding crews can target specific systems once aboard, or can breach a targeted system (not the bridge), if the ship is scanned.

[royal sequoia]

I like the fire on a 4+, that makes bombers a really potent anti orbital weapon

And main battle canons of course, but they take way too many slots

Like turret plus cannon is 4 slots X)

[pliant fjord]

also worth noting that it's 4 damage, not a roll of a 4 on the die.

[turbid kernel]

Damn, was wondering if the Black Pearl could target parts with their autocannon. Still our best weapon though since it overcomes the frigates armor

[ripe stratus]

agreed

[plain dew]

Oh really? Hmm... That makes them worse. Is it just the orbital HMG that can't target? I thought fighters had a HMG, but maybe it's called something different.

[royal sequoia]

Ho damn. I actually didn't consider that. No ap weapons will struggle to reach that magical 4 then

Hmg cannot target orbital

[pliant fjord]

*ORBITAL HMG can't target orbitals

it's the only weapon with that condition. Other weapons can still do so.

[plain dew]

Yea.... IMO, turrets should cost req but not slots. Maybe the 360 cost 1 CS, but not the 180.

Wait, we are down to just 2 fighters aren't we?

[pliant fjord]

yep, complain to Simm

[high pike]

Y'all just have a light fighter escort built in now...

[turbid kernel]

Btw, does anyone else find it strange that it's the fixed sensor that costs 2 CS but the turreted sensor is only 1 CS?

[pliant fjord]

The fixed one has longer range

[turbid kernel]

Ah it does. Good point

[plain dew]

Hmmm... That poses an interesting problem for our formation. IMO, you always want fighters in pairs, and out screening in front of the orbitals, but one of those things is gunna have to be given up.

[pliant fjord]

we still have two

you and Silvers

[plain dew]

Yea, but it's just one pair. Can only cover one area now.

Or, we give up our safety and spread out.

[pliant fjord]

thankfully, the Picket can screen missiles from behind, so the fighters can cover the front

If we even have to do that

[high pike]

Shack clarified that all critical effects are when that specific number is rolled

[turbid kernel]

It's unfortunate but the reality we have. I imagine we'll mainly use the fighters to escort the That's and intercept as needed. We'll have to rely on our armor and single HMG for orbital defense

[pliant fjord]

Oh? that's different

[high pike]

(Assuming damage is dealt)

-# Trying to find it in chat

[pliant fjord]

If so, that's probably why it says D4 and not 4.

Well hell. Yea, that makes more sense:

"On any attack that rolls a D4 or greater a fire is started and a random system is either shut down, or degraded."

[plain dew]

So... Are battleships immune to critical hits? They are armor 3 right?

[pliant fjord]

If above is correct, then the attack has to deal damage, and if the die roll was a 4+ it starts a fire.

[high pike]

No, a 4 on a D4/D6 would still work

[plain dew]

Oh, so it's like what we thought it was before, any 4/5/6 rolled is a fire?

[pliant fjord]

Looks like it

[plain dew]

So then that means.... Most times a battleship takes damage, it gets a fire too 😂

[pliant fjord]

from our weapons yea

[plain dew]

I guess MBC does normal damage on a 2 or 3 because of it's ap

[pliant fjord]

MBC has AP3, so it deals damage on 1-3 and crits 4-6, yup

[plain dew]

Is it ap 2 or 3?

[pliant fjord]

3, it's in the orbital equipment page

[plain dew]

Okay. Im at work so don't have my Google docs open to check myself. AP 3 seems pretty good 😂

[ripe stratus]

which to some extent makes sense?

since only really big hits will get through

[plain dew]

Yea, I buy it.

[pliant fjord]

It's a 1-1 for the Tank's Main Battle Cannon. The tanks don't have limited ammo though.

[pliant fjord]

He's Alive!

[light crescent]

Hej I have been away for a while. Does it still make sense for me to get two more Cargobays for the Picket Line?

Also a friend of mine is joining us. Is there any space for crew still?

[pliant fjord]

As it stands now, we're the backup plan for destroying one enemy ship preventing our troops from landing. We can take it alone (slowly), but we'll also have support from the other groups.

[light crescent]

(They are looking at engineers or crew rn)

[turbid kernel]

that a cargo bay or a gun

[pliant fjord]

There's room for 6 more ship modules in our fleet, (or 3 Fleet Crew)

And any number of non-crew units is perfectly fine

[turbid kernel]

Would your friend prefer to serve on your ship i'm assuming?

[pliant fjord]

The Picket can take two more modules, and our new ship (Banksia) can take 4

[light crescent]

Yeah would be nice

[turbid kernel]

Yeah, then Cargo Bay, weapon, or DCT would all be good for the Picket

[pliant fjord]

If you're feeling spicy, a Main Battle Cannon is super strong, and worth the 2 points.

[light crescent]

Nah the PL is a civilian ship (my part that is)

[pliant fjord]

It's good flavor 🙂 (though we are entering a war zone)

More Cargo Bays would be great then

[turbid kernel]

@light crescent Just imagine having strapped an artillery piece on the hull lol, But I can appreciate wanting to commit to an idea. well a 2nd HMG to cover the front can also be good or damage control team to help keep her afloat and Cargo is always useful. Would breaching pods feel too military for the Picket?

[light crescent]

Fun fact: I only get to take one cargo bay and nothing else because shenanigans

My friend has damage control team and scanners now

[shadow sigil]

Oh, @sage perch Said he was gonna put you to -1 req and give you the unit req for buying the hull.

Wrong @

[pliant fjord]

Ah yup, the captain bug

[shadow sigil]

#meta-comm message

[light crescent]

Oh ok yeah I only got 1 unit req

[turbid kernel]

DCT and scanners are both good

[shadow sigil]

Alternatively I think he'll let you refund the hull for req back.

[light crescent]

Nah I am keeping the Picket Line

[shadow sigil]

Okay, then you'll probably end up at -1 req, and have another unit req to spend.

[jolly verge]

Group Fairlie of the *Engineering Corps for Aeronautical, Railway and Spacefaring Engineering (EC ARSE)*reports for duty

[pliant fjord]

Welcome to Task Force 2: Atlas!

Please check out the pinned doc at the top for our planning, and drop your info in the first page

If you have any questions, or issues, feel free to ask them here, or @ me!

[shadow sigil]

So @sage perch When you're free to handle Mini's Captaincy issue/

[sage perch]

not until 8 probably, in 3h

[sturdy dew]

are we still set on transporting a BG with us? or that plan was scrapped?

[atomic comet]

There was a small one we could fit. I forget the name

[pliant fjord]

Iron Hammer or Pathfinder depending on their final recruitment numbers

With a preference for Iron Hammer, since they have armor

Also, I added some formation ideas to a new doc tab, feel free to critique/make suggestions

[sturdy dew]

im pretty sure the answer is no, but. Iron hammer has an ODT, if we are transporting them on the right ship (Banksia) can they use the drop pods? 🤔

[pliant fjord]

been asked and answered unfortunately

he's got friends in the BG, and is staying with them

as to why he's ODT, I have no idea

[plain dew]

should fighters be included in that or no?

[pliant fjord]

But if he wants to deploy with the other helldivers, he's allowed to

[pliant fjord]

absolutely, any suggestions?

[plain dew]

we have the perfect flying V formation 😂

2 fighters paired at the front, 2 smaller ships, 3 BC

[sturdy dew]

yeah i was curious about this, i don't want to "steal" him from Iron Hammer. Just to understand if he can still use the drop pods, while not being in ATLAS

[pliant fjord]

yup, he's been informed, and i'll bring it up again when we get to Elim

There was a brief experiment to see if we could deploy Iron Hammer from space, and it's almost possible

They also have a HVTOL, which I've been shamelessly trying to poach

[turbid kernel]

Yes, BGs ODT can deploy using TF drop pods. As long as their BG is also on the map or in BG storage.

[jagged mulch]

Smh

Go take the VTOLs from storm instead :p

[pliant fjord]

but the efficiency

yea, no actual pressure coming, I just let him know we had room

[turbid kernel]

We have been! Lol but they're really into the all VTOL force idea

Yeah, as Ixen said, this is all in good fun

[jagged mulch]

Oh I know

Hope all is going well in atlas

[pliant fjord]

Likewise

[sturdy dew]

a medic could also be pretty useful, we have many infantry units and we are going to suffer casualties sooner or later (probably sooner xD)

[pliant fjord]

Another reason to pick IH

they've got two

[jagged mulch]

Well, I may not be part of atlas, but should you drop where iron hammers are, I'd be happy to help

Fucking hell I should sleep

[pliant fjord]

since we're dropping on top of them, they can heal us up

It'd be nice if we had one of our own tho, yea

[turbid kernel]

There's a whole medical Corvette looking for a home I just pitched recruitment to. Fingers crossed

[pliant fjord]

O.O

With medics or medical bays?

or both?

[sturdy dew]

mostly because we don't have any idea on what will happen after Elim, having a personal medic unit just give us more "freedom"

[turbid kernel]

No idea, I'm hoping they stop in here for a chat to get details. But didn't want to shove Atlas down their throat in case they prefer TF3.

[jagged mulch]

Indeed, though unfortunately both of atlas's medics have gone to other groups 😅

[jagged mulch]

Oh nice

That could be very useful considering all the infantry and such you have

[pliant fjord]

@halcyon ridge Here's our channel if you've got any questions about joining up!

[jagged mulch]

I sure do wonder where the medics went

[turbid kernel]

I sent them a link privately lol but I think they're checking with their crew since they said "our" Medical Corvette

[halcyon ridge]

Appreciate the invite. I saw the question about med bays or medics and we have a med bay, flight deck and VTOL bay with the intent of using the latter 2 for filling the first

[turbid kernel]

How many in your crew?

[pliant fjord]

Sounds like you'd be a good fit. We've got enough spare bodies to crew you up if you need

[halcyon ridge]

Currently myself and one other in the crew

[royal sequoia]

Mini is back! Awesome. Nice to see you again. Also, another ship X)

Welcome to Atlas 🙂

[halcyon ridge]

I’ll let him know to also sign up (he said he’s cool with it via DMs)

[pliant fjord]

Check out the pinned doc, it's got our roster, crewing, general plan, and a whole bunch of other stuff (the first two pages have the important stuff)

[turbid kernel]

Already have the minimum requirement too! Yeah you're a perfect fit. As I mentioned we're mainly a Logistics/ Drop fleet and we lost last medic to help prop TF3 up. So you have a spot here for sure.

[pliant fjord]

We'll let any battle groups that we're supporting know that we've got a med-bay and emergency transport available to units without attached doctors.

[plain dew]

Welcome!

wow... this opens up medivac options

that is awesome 😂

[pliant fjord]

totally. lets get recruiting for some more VTOL!

we'll have 3 slots open!

[sturdy dew]

apart from the fact that we would love you in the TF, medical corvette sounds cool af

[halcyon ridge]

Sounds good to me! Given we’re unarmed the real trick is going to be balancing being close enough to receive patients but far enough to (hopefully) not get primary’d

[plain dew]

on the flip side, when theres only 3 surviving vtols left in storm, they can ride with us! 💀

[pliant fjord]

If my understanding of the rules is correct, a VTOL can transport a ground unit into orbit, dock, and get that unit some triage in 1 turn

As long as that VTOL is near the unit in question

[pliant fjord]

I've added two spaces to the doc, just drop your name, callsign, unit type, and equipment into the first page, and I'll take care of the rest later today

Alright folks, I'm off to work, should be back in 3-4 hours.

[turbid kernel]

@marsh osprey You just need to introduce yourself here and sign up on the pinned google doc

[marsh osprey]

Hello, I am Koldun. I have a fighter.

[plain dew]

ohohoho

welcome

we now have a figher triangle

[sturdy dew]

welcome!

[turbid kernel]

Yep, getting more options!

[turbid kernel]

Your wingmates are "Reaper" here and "Silvers".

[marsh osprey]

Good to know.

[plain dew]

There is flight deck room on Endurance, Picket Line, and Pioneer. I dont think it super matters right now which one you choose. Theres a chance we get shuffled around last minute to make sure we have enough crew on everyones orbitals.

[olive cliff]

Hello, I'm Sky. I have a crew with a Medical Bay and a VTOL Bay

[halcyon ridge]

The Sentinel also currently has an empty flight deck and empty VTOL bay

[plain dew]

oh yea, did you guys get added into the doc yet?

[halcyon ridge]

In progress now

[sturdy dew]

welcome

[turbid kernel]

There's room to add the names but I think Ixen will come later to give it the full spreadsheet treatment

[round dawn]

Hey Atlas! sorry to 180 on my decision(s) but if Hammer doesn't go past 21 people by the 20th, i'd like to accept your offer to allow me into your drop bays if you still have a free spot as we'd be together anyway by then, who knows what will happen numbers-wise but i thought i'd let you know now rather than spring it on you then

[jagged pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-second-child-there-are-two-of-them-getting-out-of-hand-gif-16342964

[pliant fjord]

Whichever works for you! We're flexible

[turbid kernel]

No need to apologies and hell yeah there's a pod for you if that decision gets made!

[sturdy dew]

you're more than welcome. from what they said to me earlier, even if you remain in IH you can still use the drop pods to deploy.

[round dawn]

Thank you guys! i look forward to working with you then

[topaz rivet]

I believe the best way to deploy Iron Hammer is via drop pod, vtol and para-drop, then land the bigger vehicles at an airfield/starport. unless there’s AA, in which case we just go to the star port

Alternatively, we deploy our troops with organic DC and deploy most of Iron Hammer at the starport

[turbid kernel]

That's my thinking. if the star port is still held. we drop pod our forces behind the enemies assaulting the friendlies and hopefully get a flanking bonus. Then pull up to the star port and unload hammer. but you bring up a good point about how much of Hammer can be deployed from our bays every turn

[topaz rivet]

When I did the math, we could deploy all of them in one turn with an airfield to land the vehicles at

[plain dew]

dropping in Elim is probably best bet, will need support in securing the starport for all the other BG.

who knows how much will be left of TF3/BG3

[turbid kernel]

Agreed, we're just deciding when we would deploy. First or after the BG we might be carrying

[plain dew]

ah i misunderstood

thinking about it, i guess the ships cant drop you flanking and land at the starport

[pliant fjord]

Do we ALL have to dock in order to deliver the BG?

that seems silly

[topaz rivet]

I don’t know

[pliant fjord]

they're gonna be under 20, so either of our Battle Cruisers can carry their entire force

[plain dew]

i dont remember how far the drop pods can move from the ship, but i was thinking about it from the angle of the orbital deploying the troops has to land at the starport, so anyone who is dropping from that ship would have a limited spot to land.

but your totally right, we could squish them all onto one BC, or spread it out across our ships without drop pods, and they could all land no issues.

[turbid kernel]

Before entering low orbit it's anywhere in the battlefield. after it's out to range three which is surprisingly far

[plain dew]

so in theory, could a BC drop the drop pods in high orbit, and then use their movement to descend into low orbit & offload troops at the starport all in one turn?

[turbid kernel]

I believe so but I don't know what interfacing with the Spaceport counts as. But the drop pods can be launched by the infantry that's dropping but the movement is an action done by the captain or their chosen pilot. I don't know what is needed to have "docked" at the space port

[pliant fjord]

yea, that's not 100% clear yet, I've asked in the TacCom channel, so we should have an answer sooner or later

In other news, I made it to my car before getting a text saying my work tonight was cancelled, so I'm back.

[plain dew]

hurray! more time for armco

😂

[pliant fjord]

It do be like that yea. Hopefully it'll slow down for me when we're inter-round

the beginning is always crazy, lots of questions, new players, rules clarification

I see someone already did the spreadsheet, nice job

[sturdy dew]

it's me, just check i didn't mess up something when you have time xD

[pliant fjord]

all looks good to me

[turbid kernel]

We picked up another fighter and Sven, the ODT from Iron Hammer, showed interest in joining if we end up taking Iron Hammer

[pliant fjord]

yay three fighters

[alpine condor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-star-wars-traitor-palpatine-gif-7742711

[sturdy dew]

im going to bed. the duty roster is missing our new fighter (i saw someone put it on the Endurance). night everyone

[pliant fjord]

am on it

[marsh osprey]

I did not realize the Duty roster tab existed, sorry.

[pliant fjord]

all good, it's just the first two that are important for the GM

everything else is just extra organization stuff

For the record, the station assignments are just the defaults, in the game, you can dock at and repair at any of the flight decks on any of the ships.

[sage perch]

@light crescent what is the issue again

[pliant fjord]

Captain bug, only got 1 req for the upgrade

[pliant fjord]

There's the convo start

[ember python]

oh damn, medical ship. that's great.

[pliant fjord]

we'll be able to do VTOL med-evac to whatever BG we're supporting

and heal up our drop troopers while we're moving

super helpful

[sage perch]

so I need to give them one unit req, right?

[pliant fjord]

that was our understanding yea

he bought one cargo bay and then activated

according to S.A.M

[ember python]

that's also an additional LS, yeah? since the Corvette hull comes w/ a Cargo Bay?

[shadow sigil]

Mini bought the BC hull using unit req. They bought the cargo bay with 1 personal req.
Earlier you said you were going to drop them to -1 company req and give +2 unit req.
Not it's +1 unit req.

[pliant fjord]

assuming he gets a 2nd Cargo Bay, yea we're up to 18

We could up our BG cap to 25

or just have the extra to take care of our hungry hungry friends

[ember python]

having extra doesn't seem like a bad idea

[sage perch]

Cap has said I can l let the unit req BC purchase stand

I also wasn't able to get it done during my break anyway, so it has to wait at least 11 hours

[pliant fjord]

alright, let us know

thanks for your hard work with the bots

[plain dew]

hmm... so including SENTNL... our formation is uh...

well, it can certainly take hits

but dont include the fighters, we only got 2 guns 😂

[pliant fjord]

if we're in a protracted combat, you can take a turn off to land and rearm