Task force 1 - Victorum: Comms

[edgy harbor]

Probably so, but I'll still pretend like it is

[rare lantern]

For what? The aerospace repair themselves when they reload on the flight decks

[quasi crown]

Repairing more than a single hit in a turn but this is more of a it'd be cool to have vs a need

[rapid sorrel]

The most cool to have, would be an infantry unit per ship

[rare lantern]

None of them have more than 2 hits, if they need to repair more than 1, they dead XD

[quasi crown]

fair lol

[lyric turret]

Wake up Tenno

[steep jetty]

Can someone put me down for my HMG(I'm on my phone right now so I can't edit the doc)

Also good timezone

[north crown]

Night for me folks

[rapid sorrel]

Done

[steep jetty]

Thank you

[keen yacht]

Is pilot an option? lol

[hard sleet]

If the vote goes through and we don't need as many flight decks, are we going to try and recruit more pilots to the BG or will we just accept that we over bought flight decks?

[rapid sorrel]

Looks like the vote is gonna go through, though I kinda hope it doesn't ngl

But yeah, we can definitely try to recruit more

[rapid sorrel]

The fear of 1 fire killing the entire ship is unfortunately real

[rapid sorrel]

We probably will have to accept that we over bought though

[hard sleet]

Maybe we can petition cheese to let us get a refund.

[rapid sorrel]

All sales are final

That would be a lot of req to refund

[hard sleet]

true

[fluid cave]

WE can try and get mroe fighters and bombers

Mayve even the gunship

[rapid sorrel]

More aerospace will always be welcome, we just need the players to play them XD

[hard sleet]

sadly none of my friends are super into stuff like this.

[slow whale]

Man I'm with family right now, and I just popped in to see what's going on and I see I might be doubling my capacity. That's kind of crazy. @ me if I'm needed for anything.

[calm talon]

So I just woke up, can someone explain what the new mid-event vote is for?

I wasn't aware ships got any repair kit storage by default, what's the trade-off?

[slow whale]

Nothing we will get at least two. The choice is double flight deck or 3 repair instead of two. I might be biased in this vote

[calm talon]

Uh. This is a no-brainer, no? If you double hangar capacity you can just halve the amount of hangars on the ship and... bring more repair kits.

[slow whale]

Preaching to the choir on that one. I think the repair part Shack said was an oversight on his part. I think he always meant to have a base repair storage.

[stray moss]

Or double your air wing in bomber you need less repairs if you destroy half a fleet in a turn

[calm talon]

10 torp bombers deleting a BB in one turn is a fun image, but I don't think we have that many bomber pilots

[drowsy lion]

Nope, but we need to find one.

Else you only have BG3 (QRF) and BG9 (ENGI) and whatever they can scrounge up for the other BGs to land.

They what-

... good luck to them!

Yes, except VTOLs are kinda squishy-

[rapid sorrel]

Are repair kits TF wide? Or at least transferrable between ships?

[slow whale]

I would wager those are for the specific ship not a TF pool

[rapid sorrel]

I'd hope at least transferrable like if Cobalt could haul some over cause you're gonna be swimming in them XD

[slow whale]

I'd only have 2 I believe, but hopefully won't be needing them

[rapid sorrel]

Oh wait, I'm still an idiot

How do I keep reading this damn vote wrong? 🤣

[slow whale]

I do it all the time. 2 per flight deck would be crazy

[rapid sorrel]

First I read it as flight deck or repair kit

Then as 2 per flight deck XD

[slow whale]

Yeah Shack just loves the Aviary. All the aerospace, all the repair kits 😂. I would be unkillable. But jokes aside, should definitely see if the kits are transferable. He might say no considering there is the repair arm module

[rapid sorrel]

I asked in Meta Comm, but I think it got drowned

[calm talon]

As of right now there's no declared way for transports to carry repair kits. As in, we don't know how many cargo spaces per kit.

So the real question is if the repair kits are a TF-wide pool or a ship-specific resource.

[fluid cave]

Ship specific

[slow whale]

Yeah someone will probably catch him later. Maybe should put it on the Q&A doc

[rapid sorrel]

I can see both the repair arm and transferring be possible, since transferring is technically much more dangerous

[slow whale]

True, just know Shack likes to make sure there are clear roles for things. Transfers might hurt the repair ship role

[rapid sorrel]

That's also true

[stray moss]

I think repair arms for combat and transferring is for more non combat moments or at least that what I think makes sense

[fierce egret]

Just an FYI:

[zealous palm]

I would say vote for the upgrade, extra space, and we could maybe tempt a BG that's HAT based with like 10 HATS max to use us as their spawn. Since they add their cargo to our DF space.

[fierce egret]

we (TF2) is checking if we can spend 2 LS to get TF1 to the same speed as TF2 so we both enter the gate at the same time.

[zealous palm]

Also extra space might be useful for future missions.

[covert palm]

and then retain that speed for movement

[fierce egret]

Im guessing it is 1 LS for round 0 (deployment), and then assuming no enemies, 1 LS for speed to to Elim.

But need to confirm.

[zealous palm]

Ok, we have 12 Flight Decks, if the FD size is doubled, that's 12 HATs worth of drop. I've asked in TAC-COM chat if any BG might be fitted out to make use of that, and would be interested.

[zealous palm]

Confirmation, spends 1LS get 1 speed for the TF. So we can move in with Atlas

[rare lantern]

They dont add their cargo though? We could deploy their HATs quickly with how many flight decks we have, but that would still require using LS to store them which we decided we need our LS for ourself

[rapid sorrel]

Yeah we're superiority only

Also, are we planning ahead enough to decide what we're doing after Elim?

[calm talon]

I figure we should wait for intel from Elim. The locals can probably tell us where the biggest concentration of bots is.

We might find out that the western rock station or w/e it was called is overrun and we need to go blow it up to prevent bots spawning behind us

[rapid sorrel]

True, but I doubt it, they've only been there about a month

[rare lantern]

Cool idea, slight issue: we already bought our upgrades lol

[fierce egret]

the question is around the timing, can it be spent round 0 during deployment. Im assuming yes, but yea, want confirmation.

[old hill]

Catching up here but did I miss something? How did Orbital get 3 Repair Kits without taking any equipment? Also, I don’t think the kits will be transferable; the Repair Arm lets you repair other ships. One question I’ve been thinking about the past few days: can we spam scans or other primary actions granted by equipment? Each crew member gets one primary action per turn, but I haven’t seen any limit on using primary actions provided by equipment.

[rapid sorrel]

All orbitals now get 3 repair kits standard

We cannot spam, it's 1 scan per scanner per turn

[north crown]

I was thinking, either go full speed ahead and try to push on or go to L1

We’ll see how fast the bots choose to be

Otherwise we might have to go back to the gate to fight it out

[quasi crown]

Good timezone Victorum, what have I missed in the last 10 hours?

[keen yacht]

You can move around in the ship right?

Just walk away from the fire lol

But yeah that’s an understandable fear

[zealous palm]

HATs "assigned" to start round 0 on a flight deck, add their capacity to the deployment capacity of the orbital their landed on. So 5 inf, or 3 inf and 1 Vic, or 1 inf and 2 Vic's.

Looks like theirs only 17 hats total, and most are in rabbit, so theirs not enough for it to matter though.

[rapid sorrel]

Without actual interior maps it's hard to say "I walk away" just as we can kinda just teleport from one section to another

[rapid sorrel]

If Storm goes to the mine, I say we follow them, then push L1

[covert palm]

^

[rare lantern]

We'd still need to spend LS to store them, which we will not

In order to deploy a BG, we have to store them in Large supply

They add their DC, yeah, but we'd need to spend Large supply to store them and the things theyre deploying

[fierce egret]

Rabbit has one HAT, according to their doc. Shovels has a few.

[zealous palm]

That's the thing, we don't, per the v5 document, a flight deck: "Adds 1 Aerospace Asset to Deployment Capability (DC), Stored Aerospace Asset's Add's it's unit capacity to the Deployment Capability (DC)"

DC units don't take LS to store

[rare lantern]

Yes they do, DC is the measure of how many units you can move from LS storage to the battlefield each turn

If a taskforce is carrying a Battlegroup to the field, theyre stored in LS

[zealous palm]

It looks like Redwall could fit, if they could get 10 HATS.

DC is also the measurement of what can start loaded up, at the start of mission, and not take LS. It just makes them vulnerable to orbital destruction.

[rare lantern]

Battlegroup units cannot be stored in flight decks, theyre stored in cargo bays

[rare lantern]

No it's isn't, where does it say that?

[zealous palm]

I'll have to look it up, it was part of the discussion weeks ago. Or get clarification

[fluid cave]

No. That’s unit storage

[zealous palm]

Unless Cobalt knows

[fluid cave]

There are 3 parts to bays.
How many units they can store.
Flight deck is 1
All others are 2.
This is for the TF’s units so they can deploy.
DC or Deployment capacity.
How fast they can deploy units.
And BG storage. This is 5 per LS and consumes the LS.

[rare lantern]

The "Stored Aerospace Asset's Add's it's unit capacity to the Deployment Capability (DC)" is for TF assets stored in the deck, for example, Cobalt adds their capacity as DC, since their HAT is in one of the decks and they are part of the TF

[fluid cave]

The only way for Battlegroup storage is from LS.

[zealous palm]

Ok, that's all confusing lol. It looked different at first glance during the discussions, but I guess the final version changed.

[fluid cave]

Yeah, it’s not the most straightforward

I bet it’ll get reworked after this game.

[zealous palm]

I'll still see if I can get a captain confirmation. Just to be sure.

Cause Redwall says they can all fit in 10 HATs, and they are almost all parachute capable.

[rare lantern]

Do they have 10 HATs?

[fluid cave]

Yes, if they deploy they could then land on our flight decks

But they would need all the HATs and deploy on their own

Our BS is really hurting us for speed rn

[rare lantern]

At that point it wouldn't even be us deploying them, theyd just be deploying by themselves like Flying Shovels and Storm Blessed, which they can definitely do, but they wouldn't have to land on our bays.

[fluid cave]

Reminder for everyone about the current Poll

[spring chasm]

I hear you're in need of another Fighter group?

[fluid cave]

We should be able to squeeze you into the Aviary.
We do need to wait for that flight deck vote to finish though

[steep jetty]

It's looking like it will go through (~70 to 30 rn)

[spring chasm]

I can join Atlas too

It depeneds onyour need

[rare lantern]

We can always use more fighters, the thing is there's currently a vote(here #midround-events message) that might(probably will its at 70 to 30 in favor) double our Aerospace capacity and we'll only have room for you if it passes, theyre just being cautious about it

Of note, we're a direct combat TF, so we'll be engaging the enemy, while Atlas is going for a more logistics focused role IIRC

[quasi crown]

So we could get a bunch more flight space? that will be great

[north crown]

We lose a repair kit but I’m thinking that might be worth it?

If we can get a couple extra bombers that extra fire power might be enough to offset the damage we take

[quasi crown]

plus I don't think we have the module that lets us repair except like one ship

Also, lets not talk about possible carrying of BGs since we are limited by LS heavily by our need to stay supplied especially if we are increasing our Aerospace craft count

Burning one to go faster is fine but we can't afford the 10 LS required to carry a 50 unit BG even if we got the HATS to carry that much

being able to carry 24 planes would be hot af

[calm talon]

ChairForce intensifies

[quasi crown]

Just confirmed that CA has our only Damage control team

[keen yacht]

How do I find the poll?

[rare lantern]

#1382036960356597963 message

[quasi crown]

Did we gain any new folks? I don't see any new sign ups on the sheet

[zealous palm]

we might be gaining a fighter or two, if the vote goes favorably

though, it might be 2 capacity, but it's still might only be 1 throughput, so might take longer to cycle the aircraft

[calm talon]

The VTOL bay description was changed to allow 2 craft to land/launch per turn, so likely this will change too

[teal rampart]

Can't believe we will lose all our repairkits : (

[fluid cave]

?

It’s - 1 repair kit per hull

[thin fulcrum]

Pardon my ignorance, what is -1 repair kit referring to?

[quasi crown]

so there was a change to have all orbitals start with 3 repair kits, but the new flight deck change will reduce that to 2 kits so flight decks can carry 2 planes each

[thin fulcrum]

Gotcha, thank you. I somehow missed that

[polar tiger]

Ignite standibf by battle brothers

[amber dragon]

Aviary will become a supercarrier if the poll goes through

[polar tiger]

Woooo!

Does that mean that PAI's can walk off the flight deck and drop to the planet 'falling in style' style

[fluid cave]

Unfortunately not

A HAT could let you do that

[north crown]

Shaq said it will go up by two for everything

[lyric turret]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-567428682955312229

Sorry ill go to my corner.

[north crown]

https://tenor.com/view/box-of-shame-box-shame-gif-5716656840447945106

[lyric turret]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-funny-sorry-sir-doing-my-best-gif-12052920

[north crown]

Yall ready to kick some bot ass and spill some oil?

Did I forget to take my personal email off the doc when I made it?

Cause one of you knuckle heads spammed me with memes at my work email 😂 and that’s the only thing I can remember doing with this server where I forgot to hide it

[quasi crown]

I made a handy dandy flow chart for BG deployment for TFs that we can show to indicate why we aren't transporting BGs even with the new deck changes

[violet wharf]

You need / want any more aero? Saw you had a lot of flight deck space available

[rare lantern]

If the Vote passes then yeah we'll take you

[quasi crown]

It is likely to pass, so if you wanna join in with us we'd love to have you

Just add your name to the sheet, on whichever ship you think would be the one you want to be on

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XzG7yq6Qr-lA5loU09KXxV-rui1v7NVdYppsfyV802A/edit?gid=1304239885#gid=1304239885

[worn sentinel]

Are you guys part of the vanguard?

Or do you arrive with the main force?

[dusky dagger]

We have a battle ship so our TF speed is 1 so we arent arriveing early but the plan is to eacort a BG thats loaded in there own transpots to secure a space port so we can get everyone else deployed

[worn sentinel]

Wich battlegroup is that?

If they have their own transports they might need HAT's

Maybe for a paradrop or supply

[dusky dagger]

Storm blessed

And a couple others bgs if tag along but storm blessed have enough vtols for it

[hard sleet]

Wouldn’t logi trucks. IFVs and LVs also contribute some DC as they have storage room.

[dusky dagger]

Nope to my understanding theres a no nesting dolls rule

Whilst i would make sence to deploy IFVs with troops already embarked we cant

[lyric turret]

Think of it as you have to maintain all the troops and equipment during the time jumping into conflict zone

[hard sleet]

Makes sense

[quasi crown]

The only way I could see them possibly doing so is if they are part of the TF not the BG. But, that isnt specified by the GV bay like it is with the flight deck and vtol bay

[quasi crown]

We are the speartip that will be establishing control of the spaceport which will allow the BGs without transport to arrive.

[drowsy lion]

STORM, but we are VTOL only and have full capability.

[north crown]

How’s it going? Have I missed anything?

[fluid cave]

Okay. Personal take. But I think we should have a TF emoji. Something easy to add to usernames (optional) and to recognize us.
Any suggestions can be reacted to this msg.
I’ll probably make a poll in a day or 2 with all of them.

[fluid cave]

We have space. Welcome to Victorum if you’d still like to join us.

[fluid cave]

^

[pine ferry]

is there any thought about reducing the number of flight decks we have? lot of unused space currently

[north crown]

If we had the req maybe

But I don’t think people have extra upgrades

[rapid sorrel]

How? Not a good way to do it other than buy replacements

[north crown]

Ya exactly unless some people have upgraded tucked away that we can just swap in

[rapid sorrel]

I had 1, but used it for a Flight Deck ironically enough XD

[pine ferry]

well for example i never bought any flight decks in sam yet. i could just not buy them

[north crown]

Ya

[pine ferry]

everyone else on the aviary already has bought theirs so I guess I just wont unless we suddenly come across a bunch of aerospace who want to join

[fluid cave]

I could buy a cargo bay to add to the PEC Exodia. But I’d prefer to save it for later.

[fluid cave]

@astral tapir
I’m gonna stockpile one of my flight decks since we only need 1 for 2 aerospace assets.

[covert palm]

i mean

I have to vote for the emote i made lol

[fluid cave]

I’m gonna make a poll later with all of the ones that got reacted

[quasi crown]

Lets hold off on that til we see how many pilots we can get.

[tough jay]

You guys got room for another fighter?

[fluid cave]

I can unstockpile it later

And yes

We do

[quasi crown]

Plenty of room!

[fluid cave]

@quasi crown I’ll let you handle the form.
Stuck on Moblie for a while

[edgy lance]

Hi guys! I'd like to join too! (fighter)

[north crown]

what do you all think? ive been yelling at GBT all morning to get it where i like it

[quasi crown]

Just sign up to whichever ship sounds cool to you with your name, type, and any upgrades you may have

[quasi crown]

See above lol

[fluid cave]

Let’s put them all on the Aviary

[quasi crown]

Also if you could put yourself on the tracker

[fluid cave]

Then we have open flight space more me to land on any ship without kicking someone off.

[quasi crown]

Well my thoughts are the ships with one flight deck should be filled up first

We can also rearrang later

[fluid cave]

True

[edgy lance]

I have signed on to the Aviary

[fluid cave]

Welcome to Victorum

[tough jay]

Hopefully this is the last time I have to BG/TF hop

[fluid cave]

If you leave we’ll blow up your fighter. 😜

[gritty crystal]

Heard you guys needed bombers, is there still space available?

[calm talon]

I'm pretty sure there is still space. You can look at the spreadsheet in pins

& put yourself down on one of the ships with hangar space

[fluid cave]

We have a few spots left

We have 6 spaces left before we’d need to get another flight deck

[rare lantern]

*4 I think, there 1 spot on the PV 1 on Aviary and 2 on corvus

[fluid cave]

I can add 2 more to the Exodia if we need

(No cost)

It was accounted for in the CS. But I removed it to reduce my risk

[rare lantern]

yeah but that would be adding a flight deck XD, since it's not currently listed

[fluid cave]

I said get, as in some one would need to buy 1.

[gritty crystal]

Ok I think I will join the Corvus

do I write that down in one of the docs?

[quasi crown]

Go ahead and add your name to corvus then!

and then include any additional equipment you may be bringing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XzG7yq6Qr-lA5loU09KXxV-rui1v7NVdYppsfyV802A/edit?gid=1304239885#gid=1304239885

[gritty crystal]

ok I think ive got it, thanls

[quasi crown]

Awesome! Looking forward to having you here!

[slow whale]

Ah, it seems the deck space change has gone through. I knew Shack had a soft spot for the Aviary. Seems I already have some new pilots. Welcome all . Now I guess I need to find another crew or something now to fill up the left over two CS 🤔 .

[quasi crown]

I was wondering why it didn't go to 14 decks lol

I had done the math too lol

[slow whale]

Yeah it looks like Ronan took their decks off which is completely valid as I don't even know if we could fill that much.

[quasi crown]

VTOL Bay and/or Cargo would be good for aviary

Or maybe some guns lol

[slow whale]

Yeah some cargo would be nice but I'm not sure who would want to spend on that. I would but already bought the decks before the change. Maybe I can find a crew who would get an HMG to actually have some defense

[halcyon dew]

Whaddup Victorum, I am enquiring around to join a Task Force. I have the req points (3) to make a Light Freighter (+1 or 2 equip). I am planning on playing a supportive role. Could that work for you guys? (I sent something similar to Atlas)

[quasi crown]

We'd take you happily, do note we are a space combat force so just bare that in mind if you wish to join us

[calm talon]

What kind of support are you thinking? If When we get into a scrap a repair bote would be useful, if that's your jam.

[quasi crown]

Any idea what upgrades you plan on taking?

[quasi crown]

Or a boat with breaching pods would be cool

This is our current make up:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XzG7yq6Qr-lA5loU09KXxV-rui1v7NVdYppsfyV802A/edit?gid=1304239885#gid=1304239885

[halcyon dew]

I am still unsure what upgrades I wanna take, but I like scanners, orbital repair, pods, bays, or decks.
I thinking either of 2 ways:

• Transport focused (pods, bays, decks)
• Backline support (repair, scanners)

[fluid cave]

We’d be happy with anything that’s not a carrier. (Flight decks or VTOL bays.)
Just remember that moving is your primary and you’d need another crew member to do anything else.

[fluid cave]

We’d take repairs.
Repair arm and kit storage would be very helpful

More scanners would be nice, but remember that you’d need more crew for that.

[calm talon]

Was there ever an answer as to whether repair kits could be transferred between ships and how?

[quasi crown]

Either of those would be good, though transport in terms of flight decks are less important for us. But cargo bay with breaching pod could be spicy

[fluid cave]

No I don’t think so.
As in no answer

[quasi crown]

My understanding is they cannot outside of possibly HATs transporting them between.

Repair arm and some extra kits would be fantastic to keep our battleship in good condition

[calm talon]

I say that because while repair arm + kit storage would be cool on a LF, that's only 4 turns worth of stuff to do. But if you could do repair arm + hangar for HAT and get repair kits from other ships there'd be enough stuff to do for quite a while.

[fluid cave]

I added the question to the Shack Q and A

@quasi crown did you mean to send that in Atlas?

[quasi crown]

yeah, he was just active in there is why

[fluid cave]

Oh, I must have missed that

[quasi crown]

it was like 10 min ago

[halcyon dew]

I like the idea of being this small repair ship flying around these huge battleships/battlecruisers lol

[quasi crown]

Dope, I added a template for you to use on the main page right under exodia

[calm talon]

Just don't go and blow your money in the shop until we know if/how we can get you more repair kits (which is what you spend to repair orbitals)

[quasi crown]

Its fine, I assume worst case is that cobalt will do some reupply movements to move the repair kits

[calm talon]

Worst case is Shack says "transfer by HAT and you need a hangar to land in" and Fats already spent the money on other things 😛

and now we have to find a crewman with a hangar

[quasi crown]

Or we move people around, we have so many hangars lol

In fact Cobalt has a hangar I believe, so I'm not too worried

[halcyon dew]

Not to worry, I will probably buy my stuff on the final day before the campaign. Just so we have everything figured out

In terms of equipment: Definitely then Orbital Repair Arm then + Repair Kits Storage?
I see in the sheet that how many repair kits we start with is still pending, any indication on that?

[quasi crown]

Now its 2 for every orbital, the rules haven't been updated after the last rules poll

[fluid cave]

We start with 2 per ship.

If we can transfer them to your ship we’d ask you to pick up a flight deck instead of the repair kit storage that’s okay.

[halcyon dew]

Was wondering if that was possible

[fluid cave]

Though you are total welcome to buy whatever you want.
Repair arm and kit storage is still really good

[halcyon dew]

Also: Is there a general theme we are going for with the ships? I created my company with WH40K in mind, if that works

[quasi crown]

our names are kinda all over the place so no lol

[north crown]

So I know we don’t have actual maps yet but what’s our plan if we get forced into tactical maps before we can get storm to the ground? Do we literally just try to punch a hole for them?

Clarification if we get embroiled in combat do we want to try to sustain it?

Or are we just gonna punch a hole and then disengage

[quasi crown]

Basically if we get bogged down, Storm is to use their 5 speed to get to the city

We clear a hole for them

[north crown]

That’s what I figured

We’ll do our duty

[tough jay]

Ad Victorum

[violet wharf]

Signed up as bomber

[lyric turret]

Punch a hole if we can soak the damage if we can't.

[halcyon spire]

Anything interesting recently?

[edgy lance]

flight deck space got doubled, so some aerospace players like me have transferred to Victorum

[halcyon spire]

I should've expected that more players would show up after reading the mid round, but for some reason I didn't.

[rapid sorrel]

I believe PV can hold 1 more aerospace

[quasi crown]

Yup!

[mossy flare]

The ship I was on appears to have joined a different task force. Is there room somewhere for some marines on any ship here?

[merry prawn]

I wanted to let y'all know what Stormblessed is roughly planning. With Shack's new deployment rules (faster can go in earlier) we've reconsidered going with you guys as a 'last resort'. Meaning we'd only wait for you guys if there's a lot of enemy Aerial assets en route which would damage us a lot.
If there's only a light screen we're planning on going with TF 2/3 which are much lighter armed, but faster which gives us more time to secure the spaceport.
If there's 0 aerospace units about we're considering going even sooner as well.

[quasi crown]

Yeah, Aviary could use some marines I'm sure to defend against possible boarders

[quasi crown]

No worries. Im interested to see what intel the spooks send back to us

[zealous palm]

are we still planning on spending 1 LS to move speed 2, and keep up with TF2, or are they spending the LS to move with TF3, and were just slowboating it in?

[quasi crown]

Id like to stick with tf2, and I think 1 ls is worth the early movement. But it depends on the situation outside the gate

Does atlas have actual guns now?

[rare lantern]

... The Aviary doesn't have any guns though?

[quasi crown]

Whoops I originally said PV and changed to aviary when I saw she has no infantry

Fixed my message lol thanks ice

[rare lantern]

I mean we(Exodia) also don't have any infantry

[quasi crown]

Yeah, but we do have mechs that can kill any boarders attempting a breach on the hull

[north crown]

I think, even if the other task force move ahead of us, it’s still worth it for the extra speed if there doesn’t end up being any orbitals in their way for the city then we can go with our original plan to push to L1 and we could even boost ourselves to L2

Which should put us in a really good position to respond to most enemy orbital attempts

[quasi crown]

Im more worried for aviary have a troop drop on her flight bays

[tough jay]

Intercept it

[north crown]

We got a lot of fighters. I don’t think they’ll be able to push a transport through.

[quasi crown]

True, but I think its better to protect aviary just incase instead of exodia since we have the mechs

[north crown]

I believe each of our ships also has at least a flight deck or bay of some kind so it’s not like we couldn’t transfer reinforcements over

[tough jay]

Aviary can also just hang out at the back as a carrier since Aerospace units are super fast anyways

[north crown]

But yeah, putting it on the least defended ship would be a good idea

[rare lantern]

In all seriousness I think Aviary has the least crew who would get the weapons from the Armoury

[quasi crown]

Do you mind changing your name on the sheet to frebird? I think that would help with some confusion

[north crown]

My personal opinion is that Avery should always be in the centre of our formation since the only weapons able to get around formation is LRMS and we have the defences for it

Last thing we want is an enemy destroyer slipping around our slower ships and getting the jump on our carrier

[tough jay]

I’ll just add my user

[zealous palm]

shack also said that crew can transfer "freely" between ships in the TF, just don't cheese it

[quasi crown]

Thanks! I know i was getting confused when working on the sheet earlier is all

[tough jay]

E

[quasi crown]

Oh really? Neat

[zealous palm]

it's part of the shack Q&A sheet

[north crown]

Anyways I’m gonna go to bed I’ll be back on tomorrow morning. If anyone wants help building our ships from the file shack gave us lmk I’ve got it pulled up on my desktop

[quasi crown]

Did he answer the question about repair packs?

[rare lantern]

yeah but in combat we'd still need to transport them

[zealous palm]

Can Other members of a TF, take actions on a different orbital (Same TF). Example Anti boarding infantry gets moved and operates equipment once the boarding is over? Yeah you can move between orbitals as normal in a TF. Do not use this to do cheesy bullshit. 😄

[tough jay]

Marine Strike Team to reinforce ships being boarded

[rare lantern]

luckily we have Cobalt who can move people around between orbitals :)

[zealous palm]

thought he was the captain of Exodia, hey @quasi crown we have a double Disocord ID/Name under PEC Exodia on the sheet

[rare lantern]

uh?

[zealous palm]

nvm, I got mixed up reading the sheet, since it's not spaced like I normally would

[rare lantern]

No?

oops, got ninjad

[zealous palm]

to the left, ok, fixing spacing so my tired ass dosn't mix it up

[quasi crown]

I was going to replace those with the templates I made once I finished the templates

For similar reasons lol

That way they all look like our new frieghter's sheet

[cosmic ledge]

I have just finished rigging the crane with mag clamps and it passed have of the standard tests

[quasi crown]

I didn't even know cranes could fill out a scantron

[north crown]

Attention all members of Victorum stand by for orders from Shack spec ops has engaged the enemy

Just heard from Finley all forces brace for contact immediately outside the gate

[fluid cave]

You can vote for all the ones you like.

[rapid sorrel]

I'm so fuckin' ready

[north crown]

We’re gonna rock their shit

[uncut bear]

Intel from the spec ops crew directly

Looks like you guys will see some early action

[north crown]

Who’s our fighter cover? We might want to launch them early

We’re gonna take some heavy ground fire

[calm talon]

So the single frigate over Elim is not a significant threat to Storm. Does this mean we want to spend turn 1 cleaning up around the gate?

[north crown]

There are possibly strategic level missiles

I think with our fighter wing it won’t be an issue

Still if that frigate has LRMS it’s gonna be able to call its shots

[fluid cave]

This is when we wish the Victorum was a BC instead of BS

[calm talon]

we would want to make sure that the 9 unknowns at the gate are definitely civvies and shred any that aren't

[north crown]

Ya maybe next campaign when I get my BC we have a fast anti orbital group and then a heavy group

[fluid cave]

I think we should clear up 1 space at a time

Clear gate then move on

[north crown]

We have to if we’re forced into tactical map

[fluid cave]

Cause if I was shack that gate would need to be clear before our haulers can get through

[north crown]

Yup

[fluid cave]

That's us vs Atlas. Except they went more logi than heavy fighting

[rapid sorrel]

What kind of missiles are we talking? Just straight LRMs?

[tough jay]

I heard Interception Mission

[north crown]

There are strategic level missles

[tough jay]

Who do I gotta kill

[north crown]

The frigate is firing heat I assume is LRMS

[north crown]

Two confirmed hostile around the gate

[uncut bear]

We had more info dropped in BG3 in smaller messages. I didn’t bother to forward them all

[north crown]

Seven unknown

[fluid cave]

No, those are High to low orbit missiles

[north crown]

One sec

[rapid sorrel]

That means
At least 1 LRM
1 Drop Pod, thats 3/6ths of that frigate's CS

[north crown]

We can’t assume they have the same sheets

[fluid cave]

Ah, new infomation

[north crown]

…

[fluid cave]

They have probably have different rules.
They might be able to out range us and fire unlimitedly

[north crown]

Hey @merry prawn would you be against a boarding OP? I really want those missles (this is partially a joke)

[rapid sorrel]

They won't be the same sheet no, but for it to be a "Frigate" it has to at least be comparable

[merry prawn]

huh what missiles?

[uncut bear]

Going to need that frigate to be disabled or destroyed to take the city. Storm is going to have a heck of a time fighting with ODST still coming in

[fluid cave]

They'd have to delay. We'd need to use our own marines

[north crown]

The ones that frigate is launching from high orbit

[rapid sorrel]

We don't have boardomg pods, we'd need their VTOLs

[north crown]

True

[north crown]

If we knock its engines out, we can dock with it

[rapid sorrel]

I don't speak binary

[fluid cave]

Atlas has a VTOL and marines

We could ask them to do it

[rapid sorrel]

XD

We could, but we'd need to guarantee that VTOLs safety

[fluid cave]

We need a lot more information before we figure it out

[fluid cave]

We have a dozen fighters and bombers to cover it

[rapid sorrel]

I know, I'm just laying things out on the wartable for consideration

[fluid cave]

Personally a escort ability to take prioirty for hits would be nice

[north crown]

With how targeting works, I think that’s how it will go

[fluid cave]

Aye Aye captain

It at least won't get hit twice

[tough jay]

It’s the interception ability that does that

which exist

[fluid cave]

Only for air targets

[rapid sorrel]

VTOL would count, no?

[fluid cave]

Like fighter v fighter it would work

[north crown]

It’ll be interesting to see if it interacts with orbitals at all

[fluid cave]

But the orbital targeting the vtol wouldn't cause the orbital isn't an aerosapce asset

[rapid sorrel]

Could send a squadron or two to knock out PD first

[north crown]

We have a torp bomber right? Think shack would let us call shots?

[rapid sorrel]

It has to be alone, or else we'd also have more information on more of the ships

[fluid cave]

If a unit with this tag attacks an Aerospace unit, it forces the targeted aerospace unit to only attack the Interceptor. If the hostile can’t then it can’t attack during its turn.

Orbitals aren't aerospace units

Also if one unit gets hit twice can they just not attack?

[rapid sorrel]

Same time turns it'd get at least 1 attack before dying

[fluid cave]

Since they'd need to only attack unit A and unit B but attacking either violates the rules

[rapid sorrel]

If it was in the act of attacking when it got nailed, that is

If we do take it over, I think we should let TF2 have it

Orbital to ground weapons fits with their Ground Support M.O.

[north crown]

Oh definitely not sure if shack would let us crew it tho?

I was more hoping that he would let us recover the tech

[fluid cave]

Maybe

[north crown]

Midrounds !!!!!!

[rapid sorrel]

It might be automated for the sake of gameplay

[fluid cave]

Eh, maybe. We'd need to get them more marine if we wanted to help

[uncut bear]

MIDROUNDS!🔥 🔥 🔥

[rapid sorrel]

Researching the tech would come after the campaign

[north crown]

Ya but that’s still really useful tech so I think it would be worth the risk

Also who are our fighters?

[fluid cave]

Definetly get our medic ready to help them if they don't have one

[north crown]

I might ask shack if we can sortie them early to try to protect that transport

[tough jay]

Suggested Aerospace Formation

For the fight at the gate

[north crown]

Agreed

[gritty basin]

I call Left Wing at the Front

[fluid cave]

Have one fighter face backwards in every group. They'll be able to intercept if someone get's behind

[north crown]

We have six bombers?! Nice

We absolutely can obliterate almost anything in one round

[tough jay]

My personal suggestion, leave the fighters with AA missiles in the center since they may have to react to incoming fighter coming in from the sides and rear

Also in this formation, if the number of enemy fighter is lower we can flank with other echelons

[north crown]

You’ll also have the PD of the bigger ships to back you up

[rapid sorrel]

PV's only got the 1 HMG, but it's better than nothing

[north crown]

Where did we put it? Front arc?

[tough jay]

also we can cycle out the front echelon for reloads and replace it with a reserve fighter echelon

[rapid sorrel]

Front, to dissuade a bomber advance from the bow

Every other direction requires them to make it past at least 1 other ship

[gritty basin]

Alright, that does make sense so I call dibs on the front spot in the center echelon

[tough jay]

which at that point we can redirect a fighter wing

[covert palm]

oh

[covert palm]

yeah looks good

[north crown]

Damn..🥲

[rapid sorrel]

Anyone have the map?

[covert palm]

which map? mine?

[north crown]

Ignore the circles that was out initial plan before all the info

[rapid sorrel]

Trying to figure out what is east of Elim

[covert palm]

L-H, hill mine, crossroads?

[tough jay]

New info just dropped

[north crown]

My guess is L-H for the arty

[covert palm]

ok looks like Damar Rock Station probably still holds

also has the spreadsheet been updated with double flight deck?

[rapid sorrel]

If it's an artillery ship we're jumping into a hellzone

[quasi crown]

WIth second intel, Filed Nav 1 to save the civi fleet I think is a high priority

[covert palm]

cause aviary should have much more then 10 now unless something drastic happened with its loadout when i wasn't looking

[glad flume]

@fierce sentinel have you made your unit yet?

[quasi crown]

We dropped 2 flight decks after the change

[covert palm]

ah

yeah i see it

[north crown]

Still should have another 8 right?

[quasi crown]

We still have room for a few more aero assets

[tough jay]

I’ll have to check if any TF had a repair arm, but maybe if we redirect a tf with repair arm to the Mining Station, we can recruit the help of the local fleet to get our bg on the ground quicker without a spaceport

[fluid cave]

There is 3 free CS fleet wide

I have a flight deck stockpiled that I can grab if wanted

and other's had ones they were going to purchase

[quasi crown]

Our new freighter captained by @halcyon dew is planning to get a repair arm

[rapid sorrel]

It'd have to be 2, because we need to hold the line

[quasi crown]

Those were pilots right not crew?

[rapid sorrel]

Unless there's a 3rd idk about

[tough jay]

Yeah but coherency issue, we’re definitely going to be brunt of the orbital fighting force

[fluid cave]

Pilots

[halcyon dew]

Yessss Repair is locked in. 2nd equip is still speculative

[tough jay]

There is Fluffle, but uh, they’re a speed based one not a logi based.

[rapid sorrel]

True, if the peacekeeping force doesn't need repairs they'd be perfect for the job

[quasi crown]

WE can always send sorties out. with this many aero assets we can spread out a bit

[rapid sorrel]

True, but that would cost an LS

[north crown]

I believe Shack ruled. You can only have one sortie at a time.

[fierce sentinel]

Yeah I did! so I sadly can't change it if you want me too.

[glad flume]

i wish we found out about the 2 free repair kits before we had to make our units, but it is what it is

[fierce sentinel]

Well we now have 5 repair kits then. Good survivability I say!

[glad flume]

also, to all, i have space for one more fighter or bomber if we need it/want to find it

[north crown]

Every fighter and bomber we have is another bit of staying power we have

[fluid cave]

I have a spare flight deck on the PEC Exodia
It has been removed unless we need it

[rapid sorrel]

Likewise

[fluid cave]

Recruit every fighter and bomber we can get

[north crown]

Who are the pilots for each ship? I assume the captains but I know they can give it to someone else if they want to

[fluid cave]

I think it's captains rn

[fierce egret]

Anyone in TF1 have the ability to deploy a minefield?

I know it cost 2 LS... but could be useful to protect the civies

[quasi crown]

no

though it'd be nice to have

[fluid cave]

It's too much LS for us to use

[tough jay]

Engineering ship to build defenses in space would be a fire addition in the future

[lyric turret]

Is there a limit on breach pods or is it one per turn?

[tough jay]

1 per Launcher

[quasi crown]

breach pods are like a weapon that must be fired so number of infantry launched in a turn is based on number of luanchers

[lyric turret]

Sorry I meant do you have to resupply them between launches

[glad flume]

ok so whats the current plan for our TF?

[tough jay]

Uhhhh

[fluid cave]

We hold the gate

Then we move from there to Elim city

[tough jay]

No idea honestly

[quasi crown]

Clear gate, try to save the civi fleet, and push for elim

[north crown]

So to make it official cause I think all the battlegroups are in agreement we are on CASE BLACK our worst case scenario. We are going to have to fight for every spec of land and smack the enemy from the stars but we can do this! We are ARMCO and some of us remember what it was like to watch our own homeworld be taken from us! While we still stand the enemy will not do so to another species! Primo Victoria! FOR ARMCO!!!!!

(Had to send it again lmao)

[quasi crown]

I would assume no, but you need more infantry to shoot

[rare lantern]

They dont have a reload listed, so the only restriction is each launcher can only launch 1 unit per turn

[tough jay]

Ad Victorum! Ingrain Fear into their Codes!

[lyric turret]

Yeah just thinking we might want to grab a infantry focused battle group for boarding as part of the first wave.

[glad flume]

looks like we might want to try to secure Nav L-W1. its a choke point for the gate and Field 1

[rapid sorrel]

We have to take Elim first, we need a landing point

Which means they'll likely send a response force in behind us at LW-1 and try to pincer

[ancient jolt]

I'd argue it's Code Red :p

[glad flume]

what are the purposes of the other TFs? cuz if we lose the gate that'd be really bad

[rapid sorrel]

Logi and support

[north crown]

The gate is not important once we’re through

[ancient jolt]

Atlas is logistics and orbital QRF

[rapid sorrel]

They do the paperwork, so we can throw the slugs

[north crown]

The syndicate and the feds will send a fleet and I don’t think we really care if that fleet takes losses. Our main priority is the planet.

[covert palm]

yeah

[tough jay]

TF3 is focused on Speed & has plenty of HMG, Atlas is a mixed group trying to focus on Logi

[glad flume]

its important for reinforcements and retreat if we start losing

[fluid cave]

We need to take Nav W1 and then push to Nav W2 once the CellDar mine is secured

[covert palm]

means we only have to cover that and Elim to secure our starport route

[tough jay]

Atlas has 5 Fighters & 2 Bombers

So they’re not defenseless

[north crown]

We have much more than that. I’m going to ask Shaq if we would be allowed to send them in with storm blessed.

In exchange for the standard LS to sortie

But what do you guys think of that?

[glad flume]

i feel like we really need more info at Elim and nav W1. if we go straight for elim before securing W1, and W1 has a large force, then our main fleet will be undefended at the gate

[rapid sorrel]

I say we guide them as far as we can without spending LS

[glad flume]

ok what exactly is a sortie and whats the cost. im confused

i dont see it in the rules

[north crown]

Sortie is we spend an LS and our air wing can now operate independently from us

For one turn per LS

[rapid sorrel]

We take Elim first, reassess then

[glad flume]

thats absurdly expensive tho, right? we only have like 10 LS for the entire campaign

[fluid cave]

13

[rapid sorrel]

It's expensive yes, which means we need to only use them when it's the absolute best option

[rare lantern]

It's 1 LS for each turn the air units are away from us, if the timer runs out before they return, they are MIA

[fluid cave]

I think us spending one from Elim city to NAV L-W1 is worth it. (For extra speed)

[rapid sorrel]

It may be

[north crown]

Yeah, boosting us through would be good, but I don’t think that LS translate into the tactical map if we get drawn into an engagement right out the gate

[rapid sorrel]

Depends on how big the fleet over the planet itself is

[glad flume]

ok it doesnt look like we need a spaceport anymore. if our fleet gets to damar, the locals can land them anywhere on the planet

[fluid cave]

Also Reminder for TF Victorum Poll if you would like to vote. Multi choice for your options

[rapid sorrel]

Yes, but we still need to guide them down, they're civvie ships, not dedicated warships like ours

[north crown]

There is also the issue of our spec. Ops doesn’t know that we no longer need the space port so we kinda have to go rescue them too.

[covert palm]

just gonna

[north crown]

We do still have some automated transports, though

[covert palm]

we don't? Oh the ore haulers?

[north crown]

I don’t think The ore haulers will be able to bring everyone

So we probably still need that spaceport

[covert palm]

true

[fluid cave]

I can barely see the arc on that MBT on the exodia

[tough jay]

The ore hauler are all smaller than destroyers

but they can go back and forth maybe?

[glad flume]

"The young officer excitedly confirms.

I can talk with the captains on station. Those ship could easily move your people and equipment anywhere on the surface. If they don't mind getting dirty. They are ore haulers after all.

We will lead these people to the Station and get them unloaded. Fuel up and ready for your teams."

the way i read that is that our transport concerns are taken care of. seems like Shack's work around for us not having enough player transports

[covert palm]

yeah the original gun models were like half that size for some reaso

[rapid sorrel]

They also probably don't have armor

[astral tapir]

Sorry to nitpick but it is PEC not F, otherwise it looks amazing.

[quasi crown]

My thoughts are that we can clear a path to the station if its considered to be a starport and then that lets the BGs deploy where they want as long as we protect the NPC convoys to the planet

[glad flume]

cap for 72 units it says

[lyric turret]

Shack just posted the convoy ship stats only 3 hp 1 armor

[north crown]

Yeah, that’s not good. We gotta make sure they get there.

If we mess up, that would be a lot of people dead

[rapid sorrel]

Armor 1 Hits 3

These need our escort desparately those missiles will eat them alive!

[quasi crown]

Cool its confirmed that it is a orbital docking platform. So at the very least clear the path for DF to get to the station and then escort the transports to the mine

[rapid sorrel]

1 missile group and that's an entire half a BG gone!

[zealous palm]

Yoink

[quasi crown]

its only 6 units per transport

Ok I'm gonna make a poll real quick

[rapid sorrel]

Okay I read that wrong, but still 6 units is half a BG

[glad flume]

i think we def need to escort them, but we also really need info on W1. we should see if one of the faster TFs would be willing to check it out for us

once the units land, W1 should be the begginning of our orbital campaign

[tough jay]

Honestly sounds like a TF3 job

they move faster than us

[north crown]

We could bring it up to them

[fluid cave]

TF can check it out while we're at feild Nav 1

[zealous palm]

ok, so, new info suggest some "slight" tweaks would suggest slight changes to deployment, I would suggest moving into Field Nav 1, and then pushing into Nav LW1, we can push the city before Nav LW1 if scouting shows a bot orbital presence we need to counter, otherwise We need to cut off that bot route.

[covert palm]

yeah

[glad flume]

ok, so if we head straight for Elim while the fleet docks at damar, and we start taking out enemies. or do we wait and come with the fleet? waiting means more confusion on their part, but going first means maybe less BG casualties but probably much higher damage to us

[fluid cave]

In any case we go to Feild Nav 1

[rapid sorrel]

Guide them to the drop, then go and snap that bottom gate

[rare lantern]

Why does everyone think theyre going to go for LW1, the planet is what theyre after, so Im pretty sure the bot fleets are going to be focused on the planet

[north crown]

Do we want to try to push that far in?

[north crown]

Cause if they come around the rear, they could start landing directly on Elm city

[tough jay]

We should escort the Transport Fleet with TF2 and provide support for the BG on Elim city, reroute if TF3 encounters advancing enemy fleet at L-W1/L-W2

[rapid sorrel]

I think we have to break that bottom gate, if the bots can turn it off, they can turn it back on

Then we can move up and force a wall above crossroads

[tough jay]

Hell honestly, we should advance before the transport fleet and take out the Bot Fleet over Elim.

[rare lantern]

They can do that anyway? There's nothing stopping them from just moving through crossroad to reach Elim with their orbitals

[zealous palm]

new intel suggests that the whole planet is infested with the bots, the cities have bunkers that have survivors, but there's no safe area, If we control Elm, and LF1, that means the gate is secure, and so is the station, to use as an operation base, and fallback point to move civilians out

[glad flume]

leaving our rear undefended and unscouted is asking to be destroyed. I think we escort because they need us but we 100% need info on W1

[north crown]

You’re correct, but that’s still the direction they have to deploy From so we can brace with defensive emplacements but if they get around through L1 then they could hit us from behind

[tough jay]

Bring it up with TF3, they’re way better suited for the mission, we should act as qrf

[rapid sorrel]

We are a slow ass QRF XD

[north crown]

We are not a QRF🤣

We’re a SRF

[rare lantern]

And we know Elim is already under attack, so their fleet is probably already on the planet

[glad flume]

we're a space supremacy force

[rare lantern]

If they get their orbitals above Elim, they can land forces wherever they want

[north crown]

We Will paste whatever we hit, but we gotta actually catch it first

[rapid sorrel]

We are the response force you want to be a state away from by the time it arrives

[zealous palm]

them controling L1, has them directly controling the gate, and us having no fallback, and having no way for reinforment to come in, the NPC ones there were hinted at

[tough jay]

tbf if you’re the only combat focused tf with the others being speedy scout & logi focused, you default to become the only rf force

[gritty basin]

Didn't we say the AA missile fighters should be in the middle?

[zealous palm]

were the line, not the qrf, we have to pick a place, and hold, then push forward slowly

[covert palm]

uh if we did i missed that

[tough jay]

Also, sidenote, Atlas has a lot of drop pods, they could like reinforce the law enforcement at Elim asap

[rapid sorrel]

We're too small to split into mutiple combat TF, but too big to be everywhere we're needed

It's a tough spot

[quasi crown]

Oh, all aero players, I have included a space for your callsigns on the sheet

[gritty basin]

@covert palm here

[rare lantern]

A line requires that you can hold multiple points, we can only hold a single point, they will get behind us eventually

[zealous palm]

Yah, if we had 2 more combat Orbitals, we could split up into 2 TF's, but I think all orbitals are bought, that can be

[zealous palm]

That is true, but IF we hold LW1, and we have ground forces with Arty that hold Elim City, we have a line then, since those are the two ways to our gate

since Arty can hit orbitals

[north crown]

Not if they’re in high orbit

[tough jay]

Also they can just fly past and hit our logi line in Elim

[rare lantern]

If theyre in low orbit, and only if the orbital is within the party's range(4)

[tough jay]

if we decide to go W1

[north crown]

I’ve been thinking that maybe it would be better to just hold the line at crossroads so we can move somewhat quickly to respond

But then we’re playing reactively and the enemy can choose where to fight and I don’t like that

It’ll be much easier for us since we’re slow if we pick the time and place where we fight

[rapid sorrel]

Once we ensure the drop, and the law enforcement fleet can protect TF2, we can move down to snap their pretty little ring, up until then, our hands are tied

[tough jay]

Setting the distant future aside for now, we’re all in agreement in the short term that we clear the way from the gate to Elim and allow TF2’s Droppod & Transport Fleet to reinforce the city right?

[edgy harbor]

Good timezone victorum, what's the word?

[covert palm]

yeah

[north crown]

Yup

[rapid sorrel]

Panic and shouting

As per usual with new campaigns XD

[zealous palm]

Yah, Gate to Elim, moving into Elim if their are enemy orbitals present, otherwise diverting to LW-1

[edgy harbor]

Lmao

[tough jay]

There definitely was enemy orbital in Elim

[quasi crown]

only 1/3 of our TF has voted so far

[rapid sorrel]

We have guaranteed transport for our ground troops, but they're weak, and every inch between them and the ground is gonna be carved through flesh and metal

[quasi crown]

Once this has a simple majority it will be the plan

[zealous palm]

I thought that was at Field Nav 1, i'll double read the midround-events

[rapid sorrel]

Votes get lost really easily with how fast this chat moves

[rare lantern]

That "Law enforcement fleet" is a handful of fighters

[edgy harbor]

What is our task force's current ETA to the system?

[rapid sorrel]

We can't force TF2 to come with us, if we want to shut down that bottom gate, we have to be prepared to leave them behind

[zealous palm]

where was the report of a Frigate at Elim, I'm looking though the reports, and I'm not seing it?

[rapid sorrel]

Mathez

[zealous palm]

and a few destoyer sized orbitals

[tough jay]

No we got that info from the person scouting

like the player themselves talking

[calm talon]

ye, the midrounds haven't caught up

[rapid sorrel]

Not all the scout reports are in the Midrounds

[calm talon]

to what the scount told us in chat

[rare lantern]

Those are civilian

[rapid sorrel]

They might have HMGs if we're lucky

[rare lantern]

They work for a mining company so they might have some sort of mining laser i guess?

[zealous palm]

true, yah those are the orbital "mining" carrier ships, that can land 6 units each

[glad flume]

Elim is going to be a costly battle. We should develop a plan with the other TFs and BGs going with us

We don’t want to lose orbitals this early

[zealous palm]

ok, yah Orbital over Elim, soo we have two options, we can Spend 1 LS to get to elim, and counter the orbital, or spend 1 LS to sortie our bombers and fighter to Elim, and move the group to LW1

[glad flume]

Losing aerospace would also be detrimental but probably unfortunately unavoidable

[rapid sorrel]

PV will be the front, if anyone gets ahead of us we can't save them

[glad flume]

What’s this about 1 LS to get there?

[rapid sorrel]

PV has a speed of 1, which means our whole TF has a speed of one, we have to spend LS to through things in the reactor and go any faster

[tough jay]

We don’t spend LS to move around?

[slow whale]

As long as we have more aerospace on a bombing run than they have guns, they should all survive. Group hard when we go up against the big ships.

[zealous palm]

Elim is 2 spaces away, to get there in 1 round, we need to spend 1 LS, to keep up with TF2

cause of PV, we have 1 movement

[glad flume]

That also seems overly costly, but whatever. Ok.

[fierce sentinel]

Thought another TF offered to spend an LS to give us a boost and allow us to keep up.

[glad flume]

Is Storm a TF or BG?

[zealous palm]

Storm is a BG

[glad flume]

How are they getting down?

[north crown]

They’re all VTOL based so Shaq is letting them go ahead

[zealous palm]

Their VTOL based

[tough jay]

How long will it take to eliminate the enemy by the gate do we think?

[glad flume]

K

[north crown]

They had to sign a waiver saying they won’t be mad at him if they die

[quasi crown]

Atlas did to have use escort them

[zealous palm]

TF2 is covering them, but their mostly logistics, and some recon, TF3 is rabbit focused, and might be going for crossroads?

[fierce sentinel]

Even so it probably best to keep up to guard all the aerospace instead of them dying to orbitals.

[zealous palm]

we were going to cover them also, and TF2 was going to pay for us to keep up, but that's old info, and might not be applicable anymore

[quasi crown]

Shit, We are going to have to protect the gate

[zealous palm]

so, I need a consensus if were sticking with TF2, burning an LS, either ours or theres, and pushing into Elim, or moving to LW1, so I can push that to Tac-Com, and get their input

[glad flume]

That was kinda my point

[tough jay]

TF2 is a mix, they have a lot of drop pods with the capability of deploying 3 PAI, 3 ODT, & 2 Light Mech. They also have 4 fighters & 2 bombers, some HMG & 1 Autocannon.

[glad flume]

So they’d lose a space fight against even a mediocre enemy fleet

[zealous palm]

If we push LW1, between that, and TF2, and Storm at Elim if they can take the frigate, we control the gate

[quasi crown]

Please vote here for Kael and I to know what the game plan is

[fierce sentinel]

by the way any way for us to help the civilian that is at the gate as we blow past in the first round or do we think they are dead before we even arrive?

[tough jay]

[zealous palm]

yah, we can kill them, or TF2's fighters might, or TF3 might lol

[glad flume]

Do we know the enemy fleet at elim yet? Someone was saying smth about a frigate?

[rapid sorrel]

STORM might have to delay they're drop until tbe rest of our forces load up on the mining haulers

[zealous palm]

1 Friage at Elim, has drop pod launchers, and an LRM, and maybe a gun

[tough jay]

.

From the scouts themselves

[glad flume]

Only 1? Oh that changes things

[tough jay]

speaking of here’s the SF Mathezgreg himself

[stray moss]

it doesn't have missile that was a mistake there coming from the east of the city

[zealous palm]

yah, hence why I'm saying either TF2 can handle it, or worst case we sorte our aerospace assets

[rapid sorrel]

Frigate with drop pods o7

[glad flume]

TF 2 could take that themselves then, yeah? I think we secure W1 then

[tough jay]

New intel just dropped

[glad flume]

Seems the way is clear to elim ignoring that 1 frigate. Securing W1 prevents enemy reinforcements to the region

[north crown]

They have the bombers to handle a mostly support role orbital

[tough jay]

I think by the time we get there, that 1 frigate is going to turn into a proper bot fleet

[north crown]

That’s a fair point

[zealous palm]

Yah, Frigate is an orbital support focused, dropping pods, with maybe one gun. TF 2 can handle it, and they be there in 1 turn, and we can be at LW1 in 1 turn since it has a connection to the gate, if need be we can sortie our aerospace assets to support them later on

[north crown]

I still think the city is extremely important

But there’s just to many places we need to be

[tough jay]

What is our obsession with L-W1

[north crown]

Hold it stops the quick and easy way of getting around us

[zealous palm]

Storm is pushing into the city, so far it looks like smaller forces are assaulting it, Orbital drop based, no heavy armor

[glad flume]

It is, but it’s handled. If we secure W1, it’d be much longer for enemy reinforcements to arrive at Elim by space

[rapid sorrel]

There's a gate there that if we can break it, we can force the enemy into only using 1 route

[tough jay]

Yeah but have you thought about them just going straight through the planet

[fierce sentinel]

I mean there is a chance that the bots aren't really focussing on building ships for now. Since nobody can really contest them in space right now.

[quasi crown]

Its a bottleneck

[rare lantern]

Remember the mission is to protect the planet and civilians, not kill all the bots

[north crown]

We’d see them then and be able to react

[zealous palm]

LW-1 is connected to the gate, and one of only two ways for the enemy forces to attack it, it's a bottleneck

[north crown]

Isn’t the gate on the other side of the map?

[rare lantern]

What gate? You mean the Alden Gate? There's no way we'll be able to push through to there

[zealous palm]

There are two gates

[glad flume]

It’s a choke point, and leads deeper into their territory. Plus directly connects to our supply route and path of retreat. It would be dumb to leave it undefended.

[tough jay]

Watch the bot tie us up with a tf then send another tf to Elim

[glad flume]

We can’t help planetside. Taking out their space assets does protect ground units

[rare lantern]

And theres no guarantee there will even be any forces at LW1, their orbitals are more likely to be already assaulting the planet

[north crown]

Unfortunately I think that’s exactly what they’ll do

[solar ravine]

Swap either me or Knightmare to the other bomber wing, that way each wing has one torpedo

[glad flume]

The exact same thing would happen if we went to Elim. The W1 TF would then kill the rest of our fleet, and cut off retreat.

[north crown]

We just don’t have the ship numbers to hold multiple spots

[quasi crown]

I will make a note that if we go to Nav-1 we can redeploy to all the key tactical zones easily or send sorties

[zealous palm]

if they have the TF to tie us up, and the second to push Elim, they have the TF to tie us up, and then push the gate/mining complex, if we cant hold the chokepoints

[north crown]

We gotta be really careful we don’t get flanked by two tasked forces at once

[rare lantern]

The bots' goal is to take the planet to harvest resources and produce more bots, i dont think theyd dedicate much of their forces to feeling for the other gate

[glad flume]

I think a lot of you are missing the strategic importance of W1. Maybe it doesn’t have any enemies at the moment. Cool. Then we move on, knowing our supply and escape is secure. We can then move deeper into their space and start hitting their support lines

[tough jay]

Tbf the bot must think the other gate is faulty

the civs are trying to escape through rn and it’s not working

[glad flume]

They won’t once we stream through it

[rapid sorrel]

That or they shut if off themselves

[zealous palm]

as soon as they see us coming out the gate, it's going to become a priority, if they have any kind of tactical intelligence

[north crown]

Based off the amount of jamming we’re seeing

[rare lantern]

What supply? There is no supply coming from the Lussan Gate, the only supply we have is only either us, or TF2 or 3 who are both faster than us and will be well away from the gate by the time we reach LW1

[north crown]

I think they’re able to hack that stuff

[glad flume]

I’m willing to bet a fortune that the wreckage field will be used to build more troops and ships by them.

[quasi crown]

The Automated freighters

[glad flume]

We take W1, move to W2, and go from there

[fierce sentinel]

As a side note if it is not too late @glad flume wouldn't it be better if both of the Corvus Aurorae guns are facing 45 degrees forward left and right? Since then we could focus fire in front and have both side sort of covered.

[quasi crown]

Can't do that

[rapid sorrel]

I'm in agreeance that breaking the other gate is important, I'm just unsure of how feasable our ability to split off from the front really is

[fierce sentinel]

can't? that is kinda annoying.

[glad flume]

We would be the right side front

[zealous palm]

Shack also said, that we were hired because were the closest, but that the military is on route to support us eventually

[rapid sorrel]

We are the only front, TF2 cannot fight a proper force of equal size on its own

[north crown]

I think we don’t need to worry about our gate quite so much. I don’t think we care if the syndicate takes losses coming to reinforce us.

Wait, but they can shut it down shit yes we do care

Dammit

[zealous palm]

"Our job is simple. Help the local population best we can, defend the Lumar, and hold the hostile back long enough for the federal / syndicate fleets to arrive."

[glad flume]

If we start losing, which is definitely possible, we need a path of retreat

[rapid sorrel]

They can shut it down from their end, not ours

[glad flume]

Losing everyone isn’t a smart move

[rare lantern]

Yeah, I know that, the goal of this mission is literally hold the planet until they arrive, I'm just not seeing how LW1 helps that goal.
Do we even have any evidence they are willing or even able to shut down gates?

[zealous palm]

We need to have control of that gate, it's part of the end game scenario

[north crown]

That the civilians can’t make it through and they’re able to jam most of our comms

[glad flume]

It’s shut down atm except for our old codes

[north crown]

So there is some serious electronic warfare going on behind the scenes

[rapid sorrel]

If we start losing, we've already lost, even at speed 2, we will never outrun an MBC or Autocannon

[zealous palm]

Thay already are, it's not working for outbound, and strategically, it's important to hold it

[glad flume]

I meant Armco as a whole. But even our orbitals can take a bit of a beating while running away

[rare lantern]

And they were able to do that without actually holding the gate, so if they can fully shut it down they can probably do it without actually being there

[glad flume]

That’s a massive assumption that would be disastrous if we got it wrong.

Plus, if we get surrounded, we’re dead. I’m not sure how that isn’t obvious

[zealous palm]

ok, strait for TAC-COM chat, Atlas is confident they can handle the lone frigate by themselves, and don't need escort, or support

[quasi crown]

This is a lot of late game speculation that I don't think is helping. Lets confirm our priorities for missions

[rapid sorrel]

There is no running away, to turn around would expose our engines and remove all of our armour, and every main orbital weapon has at least range 2, which means even at our top speed, we won't ever get out of range we're already in.

Every fight we start, we have to finish

[glad flume]

Someone needs to go to W1, and if TF 2 can handle Elim, I say we go to W1

[north crown]

We will put it to a vote soon for now let’s see if there’s any more Intel we get

[zealous palm]

theirs already a vote in, Cael can we get another link to it please

[quasi crown]

Priority 1: Ensure planetfall for the BGs
Priority 2: Ensure space Supremecy in the AO

[glad flume]

Again, losing the entire Armco fleet cuz we ourselves can’t flee is not good thinking

[slow whale]

I'm under the mindset we should be bullying any orbital in high orbit until we get more information. If I were to guess where the first actual bot fleet would be, I put a pin on Ziyal. Orbitals over our ground troops is bad. Fluffle can provide more info way before we can even get there it sounds like and we may get even more comms when we actually arrive.

[glad flume]

Planetfall is secured by TF2

[quasi crown]

Vote here!

[rapid sorrel]

Intel is old, the bot fleet may have moved up to match the frigate by now

[north crown]

I’m with you in I think we should go to W1 that’s where I’m thinking we’ll see the first actual bot fleet

[glad flume]

I think we should do a new vote. That one had outdated information when it started

[rapid sorrel]

We won't know until we get through that gate

[north crown]

Yes, unless it’s old info and they already pushed to the city

[quasi crown]

Good point

One second

[rapid sorrel]

If the bot fleet moved to the city, they will destrpy TF2 and the landing party

[glad flume]

That’s not that old of info. It just came from our scouts

[solar ravine]

So from what I can tell from the midrounds, Field Nav 1 (the asteroid field) is clear of hostiles atm and there's minimal presence over Elim.
With that, I say we do push to W1, Atlas and Fluffle combined should have superiority over Elim pretty easily.
If the bots decide to send their big stuff, we'll either sortie or boost over to whack 'em.

[rapid sorrel]

Info from our scouts will be old by the time we get there

[zealous palm]

The intel is happening right now lol, cant be old, but we might have new intel once we show up at the gate

[covert palm]

the issue is

[glad flume]

We can also get to Elim fast if we need to from W1

[rapid sorrel]

Wrong wording

[north crown]

These guys went far in advance. Someone said something about it being a couple weeks before we arrived. Would love to get that clarified by shack

[covert palm]

once the ARMCO automated transports start rolling, a bot force through W1 can intercept and destroy them

[glad flume]

Exactly

[rapid sorrel]

Even if it's current, it won't be by the time it matters (I.E. when we get there)

[zealous palm]

nope, they are 1-2 turn infront of the fleet max, 1 Week out of main, faster TF's can push ahead, we can push a bit ahead of the main fleet is we spent I LS, to keep up with TF2

[rare lantern]

It's not happening right now, the whole idea is that the spec ops loaded their observations onto a pod that was sent back to the fleet, by that nature the intel is not currwnt

[glad flume]

Well we can’t plan under nonexistent info. Using the info right now, W1 seems like the smart choice. If that info changes, we can adapt

[fluid cave]

When we get new info we adpat our plan.
Until then, Our vote is our plan

[solar ravine]

I'm a tad worried about this 'strategic missile fire' though... could mean there is something big a zone over from Elim.

[fluid cave]

We can revote as much as needed

[north crown]

Most likely a missile site of some kind

[zealous palm]

the strategic missile fire sounds like it's fire support from the locals, not the bots

[quasi crown]

I wish Taccoms had pin powers in their threads 😦

[glad flume]

If it’s planetside, we can’t do anything about it anyway

[zealous palm]

The last text- Incoming Heavy Missile Fire From East. Strategic Level. We Are Supporting local Forces.

[fluid cave]

You can @ any blue name or Trench

Dres will get to it later if needed

[zealous palm]

I posted a question in Tac-Com, asking shack if we could get it

[fluid cave]

Just dont @ a lot of them

[covert palm]

I think we need to take Elim, then pivot over to L-W1

[glad flume]

Elim can and will be secured by TF2 and 3

[zealous palm]

TF2 and Storm have Elim, they said in Tac-COm chat they don't need help

[covert palm]

alright

[rapid sorrel]

Could you forward that?

[zealous palm]

so far options are Take W1, or take Nav1 really, Elim does not need us

Thanks Cael

[glad flume]

They’re not even asking for us.
Nav1 makes no sense to hold, W1 hold twice as much

W1 makes the most sense

[zealous palm]

Agreed

Hence the push for LW-1 lol

[rapid sorrel]

If they're certain, than as long as the bot fleet hasn't moved up by the time we get there

[fluid cave]

If we don't have any resistance we can go to LW-2 if we want.

[glad flume]

I also don’t foresee a large force at W1. A smaller one would give us insight into their tactics and capabilities for when a larger fight happens

[fluid cave]

Mayve clear landing zones in the Cellda mine

[rapid sorrel]

If we get there and the bot force is there to greet us, then I say we help with the drop

[fluid cave]

Once a BG is there we can move to LW-2

[zealous palm]

yah, I also think their wont be much at LW1, but I forsee a counter attack onto us at LW1, or we having to push into LW2

remember, shack has this planned out of where stuff is, but he also wants to make this fun, and so will adjust his plans to what we do

[solar ravine]

Odd thought, do the bots need starport access to ferry out caught civilians?
Because if they don't and could land their ships, why aren't they shelling the port itself?

[zealous palm]

We don't know what their doing at the other city yet, other then it was the first captured, and seems to be mostly under bot control

[glad flume]

Ok so are we basically all agreed on W1 after this development from TF2?

[zealous palm]

Realistically, I don't see us taking the whole planet, and pushing the bots back. I do see us taking Elim, and maybe Crossroads, and the Mine, and holding from counter attacks, and then the NPC fleets coming in to support a big push

[tough jay]

They're not expecting a whole ARMCO force to show up, so they're looking to maximize efficiency via mass deportation using the spaceport. destroying it would be detrimental towards that effort.

[rapid sorrel]

Most likely breaking down matter to build more of themselves

[zealous palm]

maybe, but we don't even know how the bot's propegate lore wise lol

[glad flume]

There’s also the chance that the bots don’t have a large fleet atm. As someone said, they don’t have space enemies currently, and think the gate is down. If we can quickly take W1 and W2, we could see how defended the Wreck and their Gate are, and potentially take them before they build new ships. Definitely not a certainty, but a possibility

[rapid sorrel]

Shack said they focus technology and build themselves out of scrap

[rapid sorrel]

I don't think we should push through the bottom gate, I think we just snap it in half and move back up

[zealous palm]

ohhh, didn't remember that, yah their probibly building "local" forces at the city, for an overland push

[quasi crown]

I bet the strategic missiles are coming from crossroads

[glad flume]

Snap the gate? Yeah that’s kinda what I meant lol. Def not go thru their gate

[north crown]

I think it’s better if we assume that they do have space forces

That at least match us

Worst that happens is we don’t see much and we overestimated our enemy I’d rather not underestimate them

[zealous palm]

We do know theirs a ship graveyard,/wreckage field, they have to have forces there salvaging those ships and building new ones

[rapid sorrel]

They can most likely turn it off at their whim, which means they can probably turn them back on, so breaking it may be the only way to ensure it stays off

[glad flume]

The issue with overestimating and delaying is that if it is an overestimate, we give them time to build more

[glad flume]

Yeah I don’t have an issue with that

[quasi crown]

I think pushing the wreckage field is a good idea

but we do it slow

[rapid sorrel]

Wish we could get the map pinned

[north crown]

Which one?

[fluid cave]

@novel ether Can we get this pinned please Please don't

[glad flume]

Shack made a big deal about them using scrap to build new stuff. If we give them time, I think we’re going to have a much harder fight

[zealous palm]

yah, Turn 1 LW1, Turn 2-3 LW2, Turn 4-5 Wreckage field, maybe slower if we get back Rabbit intel

[north crown]

I was just about to do that thank you cobalt

[quasi crown]

Go to W1, then W2 from W2 we sortie the wreckage

[glad flume]

I like this plan

[north crown]

I like it gives us a lot of flexibility

[glad flume]

Send a fighter squadron in to scout ahead of us

[north crown]

Can we confirm aero space players are good with that idea?

[fluid cave]

I think we're going to skip Elim first

[zealous palm]

More like all the bottom line, and skipping the Elim then LW-1 part

[glad flume]

Even just 1 to reduce potential casualties. If they’re ok with it ofc

[rapid sorrel]

I know I'm just posting it for discussion's sake since there's no easy way to see it

[zealous palm]

that costs LS, but our sensors might be able to detect large enemy objects 1 space away

[north crown]

LOS rules are the same

[glad flume]

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[rapid sorrel]

So we move LW 1 then burn LS to LW 2 if it's open?

[glad flume]

That works as well

[rapid sorrel]

Or do we drop to nav 1 with everyone else, then burn to LW 1?

[zealous palm]

eh, I say hold at LW1 until someone pushed Cell'Dar mine, if a BG is going to, then push

[glad flume]

LW1 first, but def scout the mine before W2

[zealous palm]

burn strait for LW1, and hold a turn or two

[north crown]

Move NAV 1 then push to L1 and maybe sortie to L2?

[glad flume]

But we do it fast so we can check Wreck early

Move W1 first

Nav 1 is empty. It’s ours

No reason to go there

[rapid sorrel]

What happens if there are bot forces right out of the gate?

[north crown]

Okay

[glad flume]

Then we kill bots a bit earlier than anticipated

[north crown]

There are some right out the gate

[north crown]

At least two fighters

[glad flume]

If things have significantly changed then any planning we do is pointless. No plan survives first contact with the enemy

[zealous palm]

There are 2 fighters at the gate, Rabbit moves at Speed 3, and will be pushing out first, TF2 moves at 2, and can take any fighters if they are still there, then we push out with the main group, unless we spend an LS to move out at the same time TF2 does.

[rapid sorrel]

There may be more by the time we get there

If there are, I say we have to stay with the rest of the forces just in case

[zealous palm]

ok, looks like BG Spearhead are pushing for Cell'Dar Mine

[glad flume]

We can figure that out if it happens

[glad flume]

Again, no reason to plan on nonexistent information atm. If there’s a large force immediately out the gate, we kill them, the. Figure out the next move

[zealous palm]

Ok clear chatter for a second, new info

[glad flume]

Scanning wreck might also work, but yeah

[quasi crown]

Oh true

[north crown]

What do we have?

[quasi crown]

How are they planning on landing?

[glad flume]

Also sending in all our aerospace unsupported could get them all killed which would be… bad

[zealous palm]

BG Spreahead is pushing for Cell'Dar mine, using the Transports from the Rock Station, they would like orbital cover and a clear path when they do

[north crown]

That makes an easier decision I think? At least for me

[zealous palm]

those transports move at speed 1, so it'll be atleast turn 4 at the earliest they can land

[glad flume]

Ok perfect. We take W1, scan Mine and W2, and wait for them

Or we could move to W2, scan, then move back to support the landing

[north crown]

To scan the mine, we have to be directly over it

[glad flume]

And that’s not counting the time to get to the station, yeah?

[zealous palm]

Cael, can we get a new vote, of supporting Spreahead, yes or no?

[glad flume]

I meant the space area above it

We can’t do anything on the ground anyway

[zealous palm]

Their taking the automated transports to the station, if they can, so maybe a turn extra, their asking shack now

[glad flume]

Bombers I guess but that’s it

[north crown]

If we’re directly over the mine, we can send aerospace down with no cost

[glad flume]

I think we have time to scan W2, move there if it’s empty, then scan Wreck before they’d arrive and we could still support them

[rapid sorrel]

So we move to LW 1, keep our eyes trained on LW 2

And send aerospace if necessary

[glad flume]

Move W1, scan W2 and space over Mine. If clear, move W2, scan Wreck. Move back to support landing. Then go from there. That’s my suggestion at least

[rapid sorrel]

I don't think we should move past LW 1 until Spearhead lands at the very least

[glad flume]

Once we know exactly how long it will be of us waiting at W1, I think we decide. No reason for us to just sit there if it’s going to be 3 turns

Also would be super boring

And not a great use of our only superiority force

[quasi crown]

Well, since they are having to go to the station, secure station, and then take speed 1 transports we have some time

[zealous palm]

true

[glad flume]

And the more info we have of enemy locations and makeup, the better things will go for us

[quasi crown]

I estimate 6 turns before they enter Ceel'dar orbit

[rapid sorrel]

Yes but I feel we're gonna be fighting tooth and nail to get there in the first place

[glad flume]

We’ll see

I bet W1 is mostly empty. I could be wrong tho

[quasi crown]

What's nice about w1 is we can fallback to nav1 if needed

[rapid sorrel]

Shack wouldn't tell us to expect a decent amount of casualties, and offer 5 req if this was going to be easy

[glad flume]

Or the gate if shit goes super duper badly lmao

[rapid sorrel]

And if we move to that wreckage field and get into a fight, we won't be able to leave

[glad flume]

That doesn’t mean an empty bit of space is going to be super heavily defended

[glad flume]

That’s why I suggested scanning or a tiny scout party

W2 or the Mine will probably be guarded. I don’t think W1 will

[rapid sorrel]

It's not empty

Those bots use resources to make more of them, that's the airspace over a mine, they're going to be there

[glad flume]

Pretty sure W1 is just a nav marker, and the Mine has its own space slot. Am I wrong on that?

[rapid sorrel]

It might, but you can't get to mine without going through LW 1, so my point still stands

There would be no point in giving up the ground, if you're gonna hold one, you're gonna hold LW 1

[glad flume]

They can go thru the planet paths, which they already did for the cities and the other mine.

To be fair, we don’t know either way, so no point in arguing over it right now

[quasi crown]

They could if they are coming from ziyal

I still think W1 and scan is the best plan for our initial entry

[fluid cave]

The mine has it's own High orbit.
But if we hold WL1 it means their high orbit is 1 turn away. And nothing from WL2 can get to it without us.
It's up to BGs to handle Orbitals on maps that have ground combat. We can come in as needed.

[rapid sorrel]

They can, but no counter offensive group can

[glad flume]

If there’s combat at W1, there’s combat at W1. There’s no way around that, so no point arguing if it’s going to happen or not

[quasi crown]

The question is, if fluffle can't get 4 more members do we want any of their orbitals to join us?

[glad flume]

We go to W1. Fight if we need to. Then scan W2 and Mine high orbit. Then go from there

[rapid sorrel]

Only if they want to

[fluid cave]

They can join us.

[glad flume]

I say only if the support is useful or combat oriented. Their speed doesn’t matter cuz of the battleship

[quasi crown]

I was wondering if we wanted to even offer or just say that Atlas could use them better

[fluid cave]

Atlas can probably make better use of them.

But they can join us if they want

Their choice

[north crown]

So long as they understand we are a combat TF

[solar ravine]

As far as I know, we can't scan across strat zone borders, and the rules/equipment list doesn't mention that either.
They do explicitly list orbit-to-ground scanning.

[fluid cave]

Fluffle isn't going to make any desicions until right before drop day.
They're holding out hope for it.

[quasi crown]

damn you're right. We all thought the scanners could check adjacent space zones too

[north crown]

Ya you have to be directly over the map

[zealous palm]

ok, latest intel, it looks like Storm is heading to the station first, to secure the transports for spreahead, since their speed 5, and they will be back in time to meet up with TF2 to take the city. We arrive one turn after, and the city should either be taken, or underway, and we can move into LW1 if it's clear, or respond to a bot orbital attack on TF2 if they need support.

That's unless we spend the 1 LS, to arrive at the same time at TF2

[north crown]

Can people delete the votes that are no longer valid

[quasi crown]

I was just letting them get buried lol but sure

[solar ravine]

I roughly remember that question being batted about #meta-comm multiple times.
Concensus being that each strategic zone has a space map and (optionally) a ground map.

[north crown]

I’m just worried about what’s gonna happen when they end and people start getting very confused

I think it’s the other way around each strategic zone has a ground map and then a optional high orbit map

Unless it’s only in space and then it only has the space map

[solar ravine]

🤷

[glad flume]

Pretty sure every ground zone has a space zone tho, yeah?

[solar ravine]

Any config of ground/space map is valid imo.

[quasi crown]

I think I got them all

[zealous palm]

yes, every ground zone has a space zone, but not every space zone has a ground zone base

[north crown]

Yes

What’s that for