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[jade scaffold]

Genuine answer not much and you'd loose the high quality version XeSS features

[runic thorn]

Hm. Fair enough.

[mossy gull]

Intel's media engine is a very very good media processor

[mossy gull]

From which CPU is this?

Doesn't look like any of the Ultra series

[jade scaffold]

Panther lakes compute die

[mossy gull]

Aren't those laptop dies?

Unless I missed something

But I thought they wanted to skip Ultra 300 series for desktop

[jade scaffold]

Yea they are the laptop chips

They are lunar lakes replacement

[jade scaffold]

They are also semi replacing arrow lakes laptop chips

[surreal moss]

Got my first quote for 2026. Up 22% from last year. Gonna be a fun year

[cerulean helm]

Picked up a monitor color calibration tool specifically for OLEDs. Oh man they look so nice now.

[iron rock]

looking for recommendations on an afordable desk check for a larger guy with back problems. (I am 240lbs)

please dont say "go find a used hermin" that isnt an option and they keep there value better then most cars so even used I cant aford one

[cerulean helm]

Learned something new today. Specifically for WD HHD drives. They are all the same. The only difference is slight firmware tweaks. An example, WD Reds are the same exact drives as your standard consumer HDD drive. The only firmware tweak is they spin at different rpms as to not cause resonance vibrations. The WD Purples for NVRs, they tweaked the firmware to allow for more checksum errors cause apparently thats common with video files.

Referenced from a PC World interview with Craft Computing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9wO9yZOK4U

[iron rock]

that does not surpize me at all

[timber barn]

Any opinions on the Ubitquity UniFI Dream Router 7?

[mossy gull]

As a Ubiquiti user, even though I use a UDM SE.
I really like the Ubiquiti UniFi.
You have a lot of control at your finger tips, but dont forget to create a local account.

[timber barn]

ah ok, I have 0 experience, a fried said something about cloud accounts and something along the line

what is a local account then? Usually in Germany you go with the FritzBox but I really want to give the DreamRouter a try<

[surreal moss]

I have Unifi at home and work. Absolutely recommend it for people that that want to use it

[timber barn]

LTT also always seem to praise them

[surreal moss]

It does have cloud accounts for access. MFA is mandatory. They also have local accounts that work in conjunction with the cloud access if you want.

They also have apps for all your peripheral devices like phones and tablets if you want to manage it that way

[timber barn]

sounds good

[mossy gull]

They're amazing.
Anything that you get from Ubiquiti works together, so you can get 1 Dream Router now, get a 2nd Dream Router in half a year.
And because they use the same account your password and stuff can be shared, even if they're worlds apart.
That way if you live in 2 homes, you have the same passwords and SSIDs.

It's 1 massive ecosystem.

Oh, and if you have multiple gateways or routers, you can all link them up together, and if you have surveillance cameras or video doorbells, the amount of resources for the cameras and such stack.

So as an example, if 1 Ubiquiti router can support 10 cameras, 2 Routers can support 20, and even the internal storage is being stacked.

[timber barn]

ok thx for the insights 🙂

[cerulean helm]

Same, been using Ubiquiti network and security for 6 years or so now.

Really want their travel router (whenever it comes in stock again). Being able to directly tie into my networks built in vpn remotely is a huge plus.

[jade scaffold]

Intel next gen panther lake launching tomorrow yippeee

[mossy gull]

That's the Ultra 300 laptop chips right?

[jade scaffold]

Yee

[mossy gull]

Aye

[jade scaffold]

Crap chip

Just a refresh same poor battery life sane rough performance intel gonna dominate apu laptops

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
CES got the nickname Clanker Electronic Show after Nvidia only spoke about AI

[jade scaffold]

Seems about right

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
Intel is actually talking about consumers can buy

[jade scaffold]

Ikr

They started with actual performance

Which seems to utterly crush everything but the AI max which it's not really trying to compete with anyway outside of ai which it's better at too

[mossy gull]

Nvidia was a massive waste of time, I can't watch the entire Intel show but Ultra 300 being something really good.
I was pleasantly surprised.

Better than Jenson literally laughing at the consumers for not having enough money for Nvidia products.

[mossy gull]

What was it, 50% faster while also more efficient?

[jade scaffold]

Even more so

70% in gaming

I assume thats because of the much better rt performance

[mossy gull]

I have the feeling that with Ultra 400 Intel will be able to steal some gaming market from AMD

[jade scaffold]

I think this one will

Lunar lake had poor adoption only because it was really expensive to produce and only had a small market segment

[mossy gull]

Majority on 5090 laptops already ran Intel Ultra 200.
Probably because it's more efficient and stays cooler.

[jade scaffold]

Panther lake being as modular as it is can be used across the entire mobile pc market

[mossy gull]

How would the fair with handhelds?

I personally hope they will kick AMD in the groin with handhelds.

Oh well, only time will tell.

[jade scaffold]

In theory yea

The 4xe core model should be faster than AMDs 8 CU models

[timber barn]

one you had a M-Ship you never want to go back to those...

[jade scaffold]

Tbf they were never good in the first place

Intel's chips on mobile have been vastly superior to AMDs for like 3 generations now

AMDs issue is they have abominable Io efficiency

[jade scaffold]

Next gen epyc 256 cores

Zen 6

[jade scaffold]

CES was kinda depressing asside from intel it was just total AI yap very little time spent on architecture

AMD announced 1 chip that noone should buy the showed off for all of 10 seconds their next gen server chips without going into any real detail

Intel's new chip atleast looks good will likely be the go to for most SIs for gaming laptops and thin and lights

[surreal moss]

XPS is back

[mossy gull]

Clanker Electronic Show.

It's not a Consumer Electronic Show anymore

[mossy gull]

1 of the fewer good things 😅

Still, a disappointing show, AI is once again the most mentioned thing

[timber barn]

Oh sorry I was talking about Apple Silicon

[jade scaffold]

Oh I know I was saying comparing to an AMD chip has never been a fair fight

[timber barn]

is this sexy? https://youtu.be/rmiB2NnXgPU

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.computerbase.de/news/prozessoren/x3d2-bestaetigt-der-amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d2-mit-doppeltem-3d-v-cache-kommt.95665/

Wth man 9950x3D²???
Double the 3DV-cache??
..makes me wonder about the thermals....

[mossy gull]

Thermals will probably be pretty bad

[tulip valve]

The way the vcache on these is it just adds the same amount to the other CCD, as of right now on the 9900x3d and 9950x3d (And the 7000 versions) only one CCD has 3D VCache and the other one has the normal amount of vcache. This shouldn't change temps much

[mossy gull]

I know how the VCache works, but it does increase the CPUs hotspot.

[tulip valve]

If it'd make any meaningful increase they'd lower the voltage and clock speed to counter it. They don't typically run hotter than their non x3d versions.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/FV8iLYP54XQ

[cerulean helm]

Insanity, recommended specs for 60 fps at 1080p 32 GB of ram and 12 GB of Vram.
https://twistedvoxel.com/007-first-light-pc-system-requirements-officially-revealed/

[jade scaffold]

Thermals will be fine

They were never an issue with Ryzen 9000x3D

The cha he is under rather than ontop of the CCD so the old thermal issues don't apply to them

[jade scaffold]

That is kinda insane

Tbf it's also probs wrong

Like you're at 1080p turn your textures down it won't make a difference

Other than losing VRAM usage masivly

3060ti for 1080p 60fps is kinda reasonable tho tbh

[jade scaffold]

Kinda eyeing up the new del XPS

[surreal moss]

I’m liking the Premium line so far

[jade scaffold]

I'm looking at it for the new intel chip more than anything things insane

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
https://youtu.be/bG68OBQ3x9Y

[cinder lagoon]

https://hackaday.com/2026/01/09/play-games-in-uefi-to-access-your-computer/
Lmao

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm this is kinda crazy:
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Naya-Connect-Tastatur-mit-Aluminium-Unibody-kann-modular-erweitert-werden.1205274.0.html
Modular track pad/trackball/3D-Mouse/scroll-knob...
Could be pretty nice, especially because I always wanted a sensel track pad for my desktop 🤔

[cerulean helm]

Finally got my Dual monitor arm setup up. Way, way better than my cheap one Ive been using. I finally can angle my 2nd monitor to be able to read chat in streams. Its a Huanuo Nitroglide, and each arm can hold 26 pounds.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/CVYRx04Cb2g

[cinder lagoon]

"WE'RE RICH!"
https://share.google/oRT1FIwx0xmuIgTkZ

It turns out my company has 12TB in 512GB NVMe's lying around

[cinder lagoon]

Hang on I calculated wrong, each of those trays holds 24 and we have about 3 of those
Nobody here uses them, we can practically take them home for free

[jade scaffold]

Hey flash spenny these days

Take some of that shit

More storage never hurt anyone and a raid array could be fun

[runic thorn]

Hrm. I'm happy that the AMD Adrenaline update didn't just install the AI stuff without asking, but... I didn't want the software to remove itself. I guess I'm doing a manual install.

[cinder lagoon]

Exactly xD
gonna put that in a raid 1000 or whatever xD
nach, will probably use 2 on zfs as a raid1 low-power rPi server/gateway and another two as a raid0 cache for a NAS.
Tho one after the other and I first need to buy some big ass HDDs haha

[balmy flicker]

need good 10 key mechanical keyboard recommendation

i have a 5 year old G910 and it is getting hard to use

[sacred seal]

The corsair k70 has been good to me. Think mine is 8 years old now and I have had one stuck key that I was able to fix myself with some iso and wd40

I don't know what the modern incarnation is called, but pretty sure they have a 10keyless version

[ember inlet]

Now correct me if I’m wrong. But I don’t think that this should EVER be reading 0% on my CPU

[balmy flicker]

i want a 10 key my issue is missed inputs

part of the issue I know is the dumb RGB first switches

was thinking of getting the carbon

but will look into the corsair

[mossy gull]

10 Keyless or a full size?

[cinder lagoon]

keychron has many options, as far as I kow all worth their prices!

have a 100% hotswappable my own. only thing I regret is not choosing the open source firmware version and the fact that I chose the wrong keycap layout because I was stupid xD
kept it tho ^^

[mossy gull]

BeQuiet also has very cool keyboards
https://www.bequiet.com/en/keyboards

[cinder lagoon]

Just came across this in my Newsfeed maybe 65% keyboards are also an option
https://www.computerbase.de/news/tastaturen/keychron-q0-he-qmk-wireless-luxus-nummernblock-ruestet-schmale-tastaturen-nach.95886/

[balmy flicker]

Full

[mossy gull]

Aye

[balmy flicker]

your tasts are more expencive than mine

[balmy flicker]

thanks for pointing me to keycron thinking of either
Keychron C2 Pro 8K QMK
Keychron K5 QMK Wireless Mk2

[mossy gull]

I have 192GB CU-DIMM in my system and play Star Citizen solely off RAM.
Lets talk about expensive taste🤣

[balmy flicker]

what do you mean wrong layout

[cinder lagoon]

They have the european Layout (tall enter key, wide rshift etc) ion the K10 Max in a shared ES/FR and Norwegian or something.
I took the wrong one which didn't include the german layout caps but you can easily adjust the mapping via their browser based software and I don't really need the legend

Really like their keycaps and the colors, I chose the ABS double-shot ones with banana switches and will probably get a handful of mint-green ones from them (more clicky feeling but still pretty quiet)

[balmy flicker]

how powerful is their macro software?

that and how easy are they to keep clean

the 2 I am looking the most at do not have a recess for the keys

[cinder lagoon]

You can try the "keychron launcher" without a keybord on the web

And depends wether you wanna get the QMK or the regular.
QMK is open source so you can pretty much do whatever you want haha

[cinder lagoon]

What do you mean with recess specifically?

Like do the keys sit off 5mm in their resting position?

So far mine was pretty easy to clean, even the sugary cocktail I spilled on it on day two

Tho I immediately took all switches out and wiped everything off

[cinder lagoon]

Tho I immediately took all switches out and wiped everything off

[balmy flicker]

both are this style one is slim though

looks good but the demo is for one of the top of the line key bords

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh I see yeah

What do you expect from the macros?

Could you test sufficiently?

[balmy flicker]

I was looking for multy input similar to what the steam deck has

(double tap has macro type stuff) looks to be on par/better than curent software that i use

man typing is getting hard

[cinder lagoon]

That should be possible

[balmy flicker]

Just trying to decided if I want the $100 or the $50 the 100 is slim with interchangeable switches i will stick with stock key caps for the time unless there i a major reason to get abs from the getgo

[cinder lagoon]

I recommend the ABS since the non-ABS is non-translucent

And hotswap switches is also pretty great

But 50% is a big difference

[balmy flicker]

The 100 is a low profile keyboard I'll see if I can find a normal one with that design and normal hot swap switches

[balmy flicker]

Keychron C2 Pro 8K QMK $65 standard construction Hot swappable switches
Lemokey X2 QMK $50 Flat plate construction ABS key cap
Keychron K5 QMK MK2 $100 low-profile Flat plate construction Hot swappable switches

those are the ones i am looking at

I like the design of the latter 2 more but the price/features on the first one is better

[mossy gull]

You like more flatter keys?

[balmy flicker]

More i like the flat bace plate that will make it harder for crap to collect

The middle one has full sized keys but the switches are not in a recess

The top case can trap debris and make it hard to clean

That and I like the asthetic but the top one is the better buy atm

[cinder lagoon]

i think any of those are a good choice and the actual long term acceptance of the kb comes down to user preference

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/AX_rvgsYHJE

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/Lc05AAMG0Xo

[jade scaffold]

Eww mores law is dead

But yea panther lake is really good

[mossy gull]

In a post I lost, Intel even said that Strix Halo isn't a competition.

[jade scaffold]

Yea I saw that

Strix halo gets 5 FPS more in cyberpunk with RT on

Strix halo is probs as fast or faster than the steam machine

So it's quite possible we see a mini pc pulling less power than the steam machine and being faster in anything raytraced due to Xe3 having better RT performance than RDNA 3.5 and the steam machine only being RDNA3

[mossy gull]

Till you lower the wattage and Intel crushes Strix Halo

[jade scaffold]

Yea

It's actually insane how close it gets to Strix halo at like 70w

When Strix halo is at 120

Intel good again? Yippee

Hopefully desktop next gen is as interesting

Nova lake end of this year apparently

[cinder lagoon]

hopefully Memory is interestingly affordable next gen because if not everything else has no purpose

[mossy gull]

I find it amazing, especially for laptops.

People don't believe Intel can be on-par with AMD.
They still cling onto the 14th gen idea.

[jade scaffold]

How

Arrow lake was nothing like 14th gen

Zen 3 4 and 5 have more in common with eachother than 14th and 15th gen intel do

[mossy gull]

Because "AMD is more efficient and faster in games".

[jade scaffold]

That's not an idea

[mossy gull]

And "Intel CPUs keep dying"

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's not intel clinging to an idea though

[mossy gull]

People just picking favourites.
They don't like the idea of an Intel CPU beating their AMD chip

[cinder lagoon]

To be fair - that image was valid for a LONG time

[jade scaffold]

Listen the steam machine doa

The steam machine gpu is likely to be on par with the RX6600 desktop

Which the panther lake chip is pretty much exactly on par with too

This is at 60w total chip power too

We know there's a system with an 80w tdp so it's capable of even more

[cinder lagoon]

Just found this:
https://wiki.debian.org/CrossGrading

this is SO crazy that it's even remotely possible

Theoretically it lets you transform an existing raspberry pi debian for arm64 to an amd64 one!

It's obvisouly unreliable because linux is so open about usermade adjustments but there's even an executable designed to help with it

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
Intel is gonna crush AMD
https://www.techpowerup.com/345642/amd-to-use-rdna-3-5-igpu-until-2029-rdna-5-only-on-premium-skus

[jade scaffold]

Yea

Nova lakes iGPU is apparently 30% faster than panther lakes per core

[mossy gull]

Aka they surpassed AMD

AMD's gonna pull another Vega or another Pile-driver/Bulldozer/Excavator

[jade scaffold]

AMD pulling an intel and stagnating

[cinder lagoon]

No it makes sense 🤔

Low-end mobile doesn't need any better graphics right now and if they can allocate it to the top end - why not?
Tho Intel is currently on a good high, I admin ^^ Might actually consider an intel laptop.
Probably framework tbh so there's to hopin'

[jade scaffold]

Wdym allocate to the top end

Not how that works

AMDs laptop chips are in dire need of redesign

They have been for 3 generations now

[mossy gull]

Handhelds also use RDNA 3.5

Also, their chips last on average 6 to 8 hours on battery, Intel can last almost 24 hours.

[jade scaffold]

27 hours of yt video playback

On a 70wh battery

You'd be lucky to even get 9 on AMDs mobile chips

Then getting beat 50-100% in raw performance is just kinda embarrassing literally their 2.5th generation of GPUs, you now have a chip that could be had in a $700 mini pc that's competing with your chip that's found at its cheapest in $1200 pcs and that's literally not what they were even trying to do

This is also gonna embarrass the steam machine real bad

The RX6600 desktop GPU which the B390 IGPU is matching exactly in performance. Is pretty much the exact performance level expected from the steam machine

[mossy gull]

Can you imagine there was a time where AMD got double the battery life of Intel and now Intel has 7 times the battery life

[cinder lagoon]

If the binning is good, it's better to sell more top end than to stun good bins and put them into the low end.
Of course, depending on the total supply, the price should be lower as well then

[jade scaffold]

That's not how that works

At all

It's a monolith

It's not a chiplet apu it's monolithic

The top end is getting it's ass kicked by 50-100%

Apus aren't made from a reject desktop chip glued to a CPU

[cinder lagoon]

Speaking of which:
Work is offering a new work laptop at around 1600€ Germany.
Suggestions?
Already looking at the following:

https://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebooks/msi/pdp/1c17-2f6/msi-katana-17-hx-b14wfk-227-17-3-fhd-144hz-i7-14650hx-16gb-1tb-ssd-rtx-5060-win-11
same price, better spec than Zenbook 16, except screen. 5060, i7-14650HX

https://webshop.asus.com/de/Notebooks/Zenbook/ASUS-Zenbook-Duo-UX8406CA-QL263W-14-0-Zoll-Ultra-9-285H-16GB-LPX-RAM-1TB-SSD-Intel-Arc-Laptop/90NB14X1-M00ER0-S
2 Displays, half the RAM (Soldered), little worse Performance, little better efficiency than Zenbook 16

https://webshop.asus.com/de/Notebooks/Zenbook/ASUS-Zenbook-S-16-UM5606WA-RK160X-16-0-Zoll-Ryzen-AI-9-HX-370-32GB-LPX-RAM-1TB-SSD-890M-Laptop/90NB13M1-M00K30-S
Zenbook 16

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah I'm aware. They still have different tiers of APUs tho, don't they?

[jade scaffold]

No

Not past the hx370 not that are useable in laptops

[cinder lagoon]

*might need to fix the links hang on

[jade scaffold]

Which is what's loosing to the new intel APUs by 50-100%

The only higher end is strix halo which is so expensive and so power hungry doing literally nothing that it is not a suitable laptop chip and even then despite at its absolute cheapest for a desktop mobo with no other hardware 1.2k is getting pushed by the 60w intel chip while consuming double that power

[cinder lagoon]

okay so given your information and 1600€, what laptop would you choose for development work?
I got nothing against a dGPU except the higher power draw 🤔

[cinder lagoon]

fixed the links

[jade scaffold]

Look for something with panther lake in it

The IGPU matches the desktop RTX 2060 super and RX6600

At like 60w of power consumption none the less

And the only chip that outperforms it in multi threaded on laptop is strix halo which has no devices and borders entirely unusable in laptop form

[cinder lagoon]

according to this List, there's an entirety of 3 Laptops available as of now
https://www.ultrabookreview.com/74624-intel-panther-lake-laptops/

and in germany thats a grand total of zero haha

I could preorder but the price is 200€ too high as well...

so I think going last/current gen is my best bet anyways

[mossy gull]

MSI has shitty hinges and questionable build quality.
Be aware of that.

[cinder lagoon]

allright, will keep in mind, thanks!

I'll see if I can postpone the upgrade a couple weeks 🤔

I doubt I will get much more performance for the same price once the new ones come out

that list is fairly good btw, good comparison, includes benchmarks and pretty much every model announced

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/7kqvE63fnE4

[jade scaffold]

More are releasing the chips only launched yesterday

[cinder lagoon]

ohh lol alright, I will def try to postpone

[jade scaffold]

I'm holding out for the XPS 13

Love my tiny laptops

[cinder lagoon]

love that XPS17 I currently have, tho it's faulty trackpad and horrible battery life (not to spead of the driver support) has made my boss tell me to accept its EOL haha

(he doesn't know this is the laptop I use at home)

[balmy flicker]

is that a surface book

[mossy gull]

I have the 15", but it's nearing EoL as the battery drains itself and it's slow as balls.

[cinder lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-possibly-perhaps-gif-14588906

Maybe even a first gen haha

[cerulean helm]

So, I've been delving back into modding again, specifically my 1500+ mod list for Skyrim. I have been creating custom patches and some scripts to run and such for my extensive list and I came across a mod that allows for in game editing of idle markers, objects, navmeshes, occusions, and you can save it and you are done. All, in, game. Tested it moving idle markers to better match my setup. It works. No more having to go into the Creation Kit or Xedit and manually make a patch.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/158681

[rancid plank]

Liquid propulsion symposium in CA

Even visited the SpaceX Hawthorne campus

[balmy flicker]

my K5 just arrived man it is a lot quieter and smaller than my old keyboard despite being full sized now I just need to get used to it. and program in my desired macros

[cinder lagoon]

have fun ^^

hope the transition will go well :o

[balmy flicker]

so far so good honestly just enjoying that I can touch type again and not have to repress keys nonstop

[sonic meadow]

amd... why do you not want to admit this cpu exists?

windows decided overnight that it didnt like the gpu drivers, so wasnt going to use them or enable the gpu

which i noticed after plugging in an hdmi cable and... nothing. and win+p said "you aint got no gpu mate"

[jade scaffold]

Cursed CPU model

[sonic meadow]

Basically a slightly lower clocked 3500u. Annoyingly the mobile apus are a generation behind for the model number (3000 mobile is zen+ not zen2). Why amd gotta be silly with their numbers...

I sometimes wonder if it's possible to swap in a newer better chip, though in this case the power delivery and thermals would be suspect

[jade scaffold]

its all over the place

5000 apus are 5000 generation

mostly

[sonic meadow]

the 5000 stuff was its own thing am thinking of the 4000 chips

[jade scaffold]

7000 are too 8000 are just upgraded 7000 then 300 is kinda 9000 ig

AMDs apu naming is real bad

[sonic meadow]

then again intels mobile/ulp part naming is schizophrenic

if you arent careful you could get them confused with sony headphones

[mossy gull]

Eh, ever heard of the Ryzen 9 270 or the Ryzen AI Max HX395+?
Just to make it very confusing

At least Intel doesn't call everything AI like AMD.

Intel has Intel 3, 5, 7 and Ultra 5, 7, 9 where the 1st number in that line is the generation.

Not like AMD where you have for example the 8840H, which is the 4th generation 🙄

[jade scaffold]

their newer ones are fine

frankly amds newer ones are fine it just didnt make sense for them to swap to the 3 number system intel is now using

though i dont get with intel why 265 for the core U7s and not 270

the refresh parts are named like 270 so not really sure why even bother with the 265

[mossy gull]

Eh, U9-285 series?
I think they use the x45, x65, x85 currently as 1st generation and x50, x70, x90 as refresh or the absolute top end🤔

[jade scaffold]

the 90 seems to be used for like the refresh parts now

like they do the xx5 then do the xx0 as the refresh

honestly intels naming refresh would have been perfect if they just did for example Core U7 170/270/370 then for refreshes do like 270+ or even 275 could work

[mossy gull]

At least their top end desktop is called U9-285K and their laptop U9-285HX.

Unlike AMD which calls their top end chips completely different between laptop and desktop

Like AMD's top end laptop chip is the R9 AI HX470 or the R9 270

[jade scaffold]

i fucking hate the HX470 with a passion honestly

I hate amds laptop chips generally, like i beg fix your io good god

[mossy gull]

I hate they keep using RDNA 3.5 for multiple generations

[jade scaffold]

the GPU architecture isnt even the issue its the IO the goddamned IO

RDNA 3.5 isnt the worst choice but RDNA 4 would have been nice

the steam machine using RDNA 3.5 or RDNA 4 would have been real nice but alass its using RDNA 3 and is likely going to struggle to keep up with intels B390 IGPU

[mossy gull]

So far we know, RDNA 3 or 3.5, the GPU is on the specsheet comparable to the RX 7600m 8GB.

Which is an RDNA 3

The B390 at least can use machine learning for XeSS, the Steam Machine won't probably be able to use FSR4

To be honest, I am getting tired of AMD's behaviour lately.

At this rate Intel will surpass them at an astonishing speed.

Heck, they already have with efficiency

[sonic meadow]

they yoyo

[jade scaffold]

We know it's rDNA 3

It's literally a 7600m

That's not an opinion that's what it is

The only thing semi custom about it is it's such a phenomenally shit bin to get 50mhz over the normal 7600m it needs like 30w more power

The 7600m is comparable to the desktop Rx 6600 which the b390 also is at 60w never mind that it can be run higher than that

[cerulean helm]

So, I've put 400 hours into my new 4th gen Tandem WOLED monitor and like a lot of people I have the grey vertical banding. Most of the time its not noticeable except in low light scenerios in game. So, nightime. But it looks bad.

On a guess I lowered the refresh rate from its 280hz to 240hz. Immediately on a greyscale test it looked way better. I didn't realize refresh rates can make vertical banding worse/better.

[mossy gull]

Apparently do pixel cleaning.

Also, I am curious, where did you get a 4th gen Tandem-WOLED when the LG G5 TV is pretty much the 1st generation Four-Stack Tandem-WOLED

[cerulean helm]

Pixel cleaning automatically happens after 4 hours of use. I've also done it manually. Directions from LG say to immediately start a pixel cleaning after the panel has warmed up. And that helped but still had very noticable banding.

Ran across a comment on reddit that said to drop the refresh rate as the 280hz is actually an overclock. As soon as I dropped it to 240hz the banding drastically dropped.

Monitor is a LG 27GX700A-B, their 4th gen WOLED panel, that uses their new Tandem technology. So 4th gen WOLED, with 1st gen tandem tech. Cause, everything in the monitor world has to be confusing.

[sonic meadow]

im not sure my laptop can handle these temperatures https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895146903640084611/1471069358867611649/image.png?ex=698d979a&is=698c461a&hm=3f5acde77e21c8981d9671a1c13633a8ae7cb3397564dd4d6c82a47fe306406f&

[mossy gull]

Eh, it's somewhere between the core and photosphere of Sol.

[sonic meadow]

I'll be honest, I read it as 430c not 430,000c

430,000 is way funnier

[mossy gull]

The comma is outside the USA meant for anything that isn't a whole number.

We more likely have use a dot to make it easier to read.

But yes, I read it as 430K Celcius

[sonic meadow]

We use comma as thousands separator here, and period as decimal separator. I just read/parsed it wrong

[jade scaffold]

Intel's next gen dual conpute die nova lakes might have a max tdp of 700w

[mossy gull]

700w, that's ofcoarse full load, not the minimum we do, even on a 285k, loading all P-cores barely hit 125w.

[jade scaffold]

Yea but this thing has like 16 p cores 32 e cores and 4 lpe cores which is 52 cores

[mossy gull]

I know, but when do you use all cores at the exact same time at full power?

[jade scaffold]

I mean if you are rendering yea

[mossy gull]

At least your performance won't be limited till it reaches 700w😅

[jade scaffold]

700w is alot though

550w I could see quite easily 700w night just be for shits and giggles

Like the arrow lake chips did what 260-270 full tilt

And nova lake is double that core count wise

[sonic meadow]

I think some of the threadrippers could pull that much if you encouraged/let them. but big die with lots of heatspreader

[mossy gull]

My U9-285K never surpassed 220w, even though it can do 250w easily.
Through daily operations it's closer to 80w or less.

[sonic meadow]

might need high avx workloads to hit the power limit

[mossy gull]

I do wonder how the heat output will be as well, the U9-285K stays rather cool, even at 200w.

[jade scaffold]

Yea they can do well over 1kw

Tbh Intel's chips are pretty big these days

Though chip size is more determined by Io

[mossy gull]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/BaK5q3U7ql

[jade scaffold]

Have you seen the PCB on that thing

It's an abomination

Like oh my god fucking chill dude

[sonic meadow]

ya got any more of them power phases?

[mossy gull]

I love it

[jade scaffold]

Dual 16 pin too

1kw max power I believe

[mossy gull]

The reason to buy this 1 over the rest, extra 12VHWR

[mossy gull]

https://wccftech.com/96-gb-lpcamm2-memory-lpddr5x-9600-modules-pictured-mass-production-soon/

[jade scaffold]

new intel chip specs

[mossy gull]

288MB cache, that's not nothing

[cinder lagoon]

we're now at the point where we have double the L1 cache in consumer desktop CPUs than "640K ought to be enough for anybody", its kinda wild

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxsE8dvbs4

[cinder lagoon]

Wth is that thumbnail ._.

Havent seen GN in a while...

[cerulean helm]

That thumbnail is because Discord is using a "3rd party partner" for its age verification and that company has direct ties to Peter Theil and Palantir. The very same Palantir that owns Flock, and whom Nvidia has partnered with to supply AI compute power for the surveillance state apparatus.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/3EEodAmziDM

[vestal stirrup]

Can someone tell me what these are? Much searching has failed me.

[mossy gull]

What did you pull apart?

[cerulean helm]

And it just keeps getting worse... Very, very glad I managed to get my backup NAS HDDs back in November.

https://wccftech.com/western-digital-has-no-more-hdd-capacity-left-out/

[jade scaffold]

Someone pushed their MSI Z Lightning 5090 to the absolute limit, 2500W, and it broke the die.

[sonic meadow]

wow

[cinder lagoon]

ohh yeah that actually sounds horrifying but I meant why is it so clickbaity :o

[cinder lagoon]

kinda looks like some part of a hard drive sled but your requests are always so vague 😂

anyone got any news on panther lake laptops being released? c:

[jade scaffold]

Everyone has one at this point not quite sure who's are and arent out

Dells XPS are out but they have quite the lead time on them ATM

[sacred seal]

I was wondering why my computer was so slow all of a sudden. Apparently windows decided to put a page file on my mechanical hard drive for some reason, despite the fact that I have 64gb of ram that was not maxed out.

[cinder lagoon]

recently had a customer complain about "sluggish pc"
only has an SSD, (not a good one tho) and a good chunk of memory to spare.
after disabling pagefile, the perceived performance rapidly climbed and the ssd isn't "maxxed out" at 20MB/s writes anymore.
we might be onto some microsoft shenanigans here...

seems like some update might make windows over-use the page file(s)

[cinder lagoon]

thanks for the hint - still shopping for a work machine.
will proto scour a major german laptop retailer bjt they don't ave a good way to filter by processor gen :/

hmm, they already explicitly list one from asus as "panther lake" but the price tag is nearly double the budget xD
https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/asus+zenbook+duo+ux8407aa+sn106w+909213

hmm I could preorder this one 🤔
https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/msi+prestige+16+ai+c3mg+071+910726^

this was one of the recommendable procesors, right?
https://www.intel.de/content/www/de/de/products/sku/245722/intel-core-ultra-7-processor-355-12m-cache-up-to-4-70-ghz/specifications.html

[jade scaffold]

you want one of the ones with X after the core ultra

so Core Ultra 7X for example

the ones with the X on the end have the big igpu

[cerulean helm]

Its a direct quote from the CEO in the title. Also it now looks like Seagate has said the same thing.

[sonic meadow]

thats a great question. whats it from? how big is it? can you provide any information other than this contextless image?

[cerulean helm]

Oof, I think the internet is having issues. Youtube is having major problems. Wonder what DNS service has shit the bed again. Downdetector is showing a spike with Cloudflare and AWS issues.

[sonic meadow]

oof

[cerulean helm]

Cloudflare, AWS, and Google all showing major spikes. Whoops somebody broke the dns again.

I figured it was something on my end at first for Youtube. Checking my extensions and my Pihole setup, but nope. Not me this time.

[surreal moss]

Pretty much what my vendors told me at the start of the year

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, that makes sense. WD CEO in the article I linked is saying not until late 2027 could it stabilize. And was reading another Wfcctech article that quoted people saying Dram and Nand more than likely will be in shortage until 2030.

Which is just great....

[surreal moss]

Yep, purchased what I could last month to stave off EOL for as long as possible but it's going to be rough for small tech businesses for a while now

I'm expecting to see a larger shift towards cloud usage overall to compensate

[cerulean helm]

I'm worried about the smaller companies and system interrogators. I foresee bankruptcies this year.

Phones, laptops, tablets are all going to be sold with 8gb of ram as standard and be more expensive.

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh crap... those are probably WAY outside of the budget...
there's no "Ultra 5X", is there?

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/msi+prestige+16+ai+c3mg+071+910726
seems my previous lkink is broken
this is the laptop I'm looking at,
right on budget and with a Core Ultra 7 355

[jade scaffold]

There is

It has a slightly lesser GPU 10 cores Vs 12

[cinder lagoon]

Can't see one here4?
https://www.intel.de/content/www/de/de/ark/products/codename/237132/products-formerly-panther-lake.html

[jade scaffold]

There was a laptop with the 7x which was gonna be 1.4k but I don't remember which it was

[cinder lagoon]

Or do you mean this one?

Doesn't have an X in the name but has an Arc GPU

If the choice should fall between an AMD APU Laptop and a panther lake with "Intel Graphics™️", which would you pick?

[jade scaffold]

Yea b370

[cinder lagoon]

Sadly the 338H only appears once in this listicle, sadly not in the "Laptops with panther lake" enumaration :/
guessing that will come only later...

There are already public ES test results for the chip, so that means it must be on some hardware already but nothing "announced" yet :((((
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-5-338h-benchmarks-show-arc-b370-igpu-close-to-rtx-4050-laptop-gpu-scores

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/bktXU2FmnOI

[cinder lagoon]

intriguing

[cinder lagoon]

tho kinda want your opinion on this - just in case

[mossy gull]

Personally, the Intel Ultra X7 and X9 look very very promising.
More than AMD's line-up currently.

So I am leaning towards an X7 or X9

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah I know but that was not the question.

[cinder lagoon]

Given the budget I'm rather looking at an Ultra 5 NON X, which is why I asked which you'd pick.
I trust your decision on this topic

The 338H would be fine but it's not available yet.
So the choice might come down to "panther lake non Arc GPU" or ryzen APU

[jade scaffold]

Honestly I'd wait for that 10 Xe3 core chip to become more widely available

What actually is your budget

[mossy gull]

Ultra 5 is a very good CPU, I believe 6P+8E if I am correct.
Although I don't know on laptop.
But they're very capable.

Even the E cores are pretty powerful and are used like 80% of the normal tasks from my experience.

[cinder lagoon]

1600€ GER +-150

[vestal stirrup]

I apologise, half the time I am as baffled as anyone else xD
It is a server 5.25" slider but it has hooks on. I can not find it anywhere.

[surreal moss]

That’s because it’s considered to be a part of the chassis. If you want a spare I think your best bet is going to be to find another one to salvage

[mossy gull]

If you are lucky, I already seen X7 for that price

[cerulean helm]

Picked up a new ip kvm. GL-RM10 Comet Pro. Expensive ($172 usd). But native 4k output with speaker pass through. So far, its pretty good.

Its also has remote cloud access, if I want to set it up. Which, I don't. I just need it to access my Linux pc running my LLMs. Also means once I get the correct hdmi cable I can move my Jet KVM over to my Raspberry Pi 5 that hosts my Pihole.

Also has its own wifi 6 antenna so you don't need a hardline if you want. I opted for a hardline since its sitting on my server rack.

[cinder lagoon]

will keep an eye out!

[balmy flicker]

I am having fun/s

[balmy flicker]

Odds are it is one of the older dins at least it is ddr4

[mossy gull]

Oh no, especially in the time we have today.

I hope that won't happen to my RAM

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh yeah true!

So glad I bought a good kit slightly before all that

Good luck!

[mossy gull]

I have 192GB CU-DIMM RAM, that would cost me like 8K in today's money

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh crap

I mean 192GB is GINORMOUS but still

Why CU-DIMM tho?

[balmy flicker]

Mine is ddr4 so...

[cinder lagoon]

Ddr4 prices are also going up :/

[mossy gull]

Because back in the day that set cost me 800.- plus it can clock to 8200 MT/s with 4 sticks.

Also, CU-DIMM is slightly more stable than normal DIMM and it doesnt cost me the price of ECC UDIMM

[balmy flicker]

ouch

[mossy gull]

https://www.techpowerup.com/346624/amd-seemingly-stops-driver-updates-for-ryzen-z1-extreme-processor

Intel is gonna surpass AMD faster than people would love to admit at this rate

Even Videocardz.com stepped on it
https://videocardz.com/newz/lenovo-korea-reportedly-ends-driver-updates-for-legion-go-based-on-ryzen-z1-extreme

[jade scaffold]

yeaaa amd need to be better than they are being

[mossy gull]

They aren't, their 9070XT, 9060XT and 8060S were amazing, they strike with that and probably think nobody can beat them with somewhat budget friendly GPUs.

Except Intel is now striking back with 200%.

Their XeSS 3 is compatible on all their ARC A and B series of GPUs which means more than 100, probably 200+ games.
And AMD can barely secure 10 games people want to play for FSR4.

AMD has been very disappointing lately and I can't fathom that AMD isn't doing anything against it.

How much I want to like AMD for how they behaved in the past, I feel that's completely gone now.

[jade scaffold]

hell the 8060s

isnt even that impressive

it leads the B390 by 30% best case scenario

and it has masssively worse Upscaling

[mossy gull]

FSR3 vs XeSS 3 when that releases😅

That's when the B390 will surpass the 8060S, because then the B390 will be able to use Framegen up to 4x.

[jade scaffold]

not even just that

XESS 3 gets better quality going from 1080p-4k than FSR3 gets going 1440p-4k

[mossy gull]

Massive advantage of XeSS is that it can use AI or machine learning for pixel reconstruction like DLSS.

FSR3 which AMD thinks is okay for the coming 4 years uses non of that.

[jade scaffold]

what is really funny to me atm is valves steam machine

that gpu looses to the B390 IGPU

it has worse upscaling too so you could use a lower resolution to upscale from still end up with better quality and end up with vastly better performance

at like 60w i feel like i have to add too

[mossy gull]

Oh no, Steam Machine dead on arrival?

[jade scaffold]

pretty much

which is like exactly what i said it would be

its barely passable for current AAA titles

like indiana jones and the great circle it cant even do 1080p 60fps

keep in mind its a consol made for tvs so it has to upscale ro 4k which does have a slight performance cost in of itself

[sonic meadow]

Well I've potentially got a fun problem with my laptop.. I might need to disable the touchpad. All while it is thinking there is a mouse click every half second to two seconds or so

[jade scaffold]

oh weird is the mouse pad replaceable for your particular laptop i know some laptops are?

[sonic meadow]

It under the battery, which I didn't unscrew to check. I pulled it apart to check that the battery wasn't swelling and to hopefully reduce any tension that there might be in the frame. Haven't fired it up since putting it back together. It did have several loose screws though, and the one post I had glued back down had broken free (so two screw posts not functional)

[sonic meadow]

well it seemed fine when I fired it back up. but just to be sure I toggled the setting that disables the touchpad when a mouse is connected

it had been getting weird anyway. thinking it was being touched when it wasnt, so things like dragging down with one finger would be seen as a scroll, or trying a two finger drag would minimize everything

[jade scaffold]

Are there any nice looking server cases gonna be moving pretty much all my stuff into server racks and would like to have some that look fancy

Alternatively are there any that have an easy to swap out face plate

So I can just make my own fancy face for them

[cinder lagoon]

I think the 4u chassis Linus uses has a fairly replacable face plate you coulld get designed

However his might be custom already

You'll certainly find answers on LTT forum.

Without knowing any of your preferences / previous builds I don't know what you might find "nice looking" tho

Some people like utilitarian builds, some steam-punky where there's extra bits and bops that look functional

Maybe you like minimalistic RGB?

[jade scaffold]

have you seen the ubiquiti products i kinda like their vibe very clean look or apple products see apples 2019 mac pro and mac pro rack mounted case

like if something has a customisable face plate i have access to CNC big machines that i could absolutly make my own face plate for things

[cinder lagoon]

Budget?
Looks lilke "expensive taste"

[mossy gull]

Ubiquiti is pretty expensive, especially their Dream Machines and Pro products 😅

[cinder lagoon]

Exactly

U planning to go watercooling?
Or do you need a 4U chassis at least

[jade scaffold]

ill have multiple cases

my servers are fine in 2U

[cinder lagoon]

This is one of the few I found hardly appealing... it's seemingly not done often...
Best route would probably be to DIY the front plate entirely ._.
https://www.caseking.de/inter-tech-ipc-4u-4129-l-4he-rack-servergehaeuse-schwarz/GEIT-017.html?srsltid=AfmBOopXsC6dhWSirdRBMA-gjv3ltob1IzCOVKAzkNYnR00F2MUz4FzfN0g

[jade scaffold]

but i think ill put a propper pc in one and a 4U or over would probs be good for that

[cinder lagoon]

Maybe this one?
https://www.amazon.de/SilverStone-Technology-Rackmount-Server-Kensington-SST-RM42-502B/dp/B08F2C23D8

[jade scaffold]

i'd need more air than that tbh there are ones ive seen that do have full tripple 140mm support on the front which would be ideal just for airflows sakes on the big pc one, my servers only need to be 2u and then i can put some drives in the front of them

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh so you do need some usability, not just a desktop case layed on its side with handles and rack mounts haha

[jade scaffold]

yea need one for my Game server for my PC for the NAS maybe another to throw what ever the fuck into might do a low speed NAS in addition to the NVME NAS

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/memory/the-company-that-stopped-making-memory-for-gamers-just-explained-how-important-memory-is-for-gamers-yeah-really/

Bruuhhh

[mossy gull]

Biggest contradiction of the century

It's like selling a car without engine

[cinder lagoon]

It's like walking into a Honda dealership and being sold a Peterbilt

[surreal moss]

If I get the Honda prices I won’t complain

[cinder lagoon]

Well....

[surreal moss]

Yeah, you wouldn’t either

[timber barn]

There are rumors that the Chinese come to rescue?

[cinder lagoon]

Afaik those rumors have already been busted cuz guess what:
they also want AI garbage :/

[cerulean helm]

Man, never thought I'd see the day Nvidia actually pulls a gpu driver instead of pushing out an immediate hotfix. Driver v595.59 has been causing fans to stop working, overheating, system freezes, black screens and a whole bunch of other issues.

[cinder lagoon]

ohh yeah thats a REVERT issue, not a fix issue

chance is - some people have it installed and don't notice

wondering wether they have a "trigger rollback" or "trigger immediate" update feature for specific driver versions

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh I'm on the new start menu...

Not sure how their auto-categorization works but it has an error rate of like 10% so far...

For like... not even indie stuff...
Once Home Assistant Desktop is classified as "other", once as "Productivity"
and if GTA counts as "dev tools", ill be stoked to play it at work haha

[deep zenith]

Soooooooooooooo....

Lot of y'all are fairly tech savvi...

Just upgraded my MOBO, CPU, and RAM...
Aaand now my microsoft Gaming App (xbox game stuff) breaks every time I try to launch a game and it murders my Task manager so bad it can't even close at the same time. Any thoughts?

[mossy gull]

I would reinstall Windows if it did that to me.

But question, do you need Gambar or not?
If not you can disable it in the Windows Settings menu.

[deep zenith]

I have a lot of games through that app. So far everyhting on Steam seems to be working fine, but like, anythign I've tried through the Xbox app has just...it's bad, lol

Best way to do a windows re-install without having to say, go through all the BS of keeping OneDrive from stealign everyhting?

[mossy gull]

Gamebar is a separate entity from the Xbox App though.
For example I have Gamebar disabled and still play my Xbox games

[deep zenith]

...though on that note I switched from a MAG 560 to a Gigabyte 650. COuld there be some issues that's causing?

Oh. Thought Xbox App was part of Gamebar

[mossy gull]

Please place the letter in front of the number, it's important.

[mossy gull]

Nope

[deep zenith]

Hm

[mossy gull]

Gamebar is just some funky overlay app that says it'll increase performance when it doesn't.

[deep zenith]

Was the B550 and I went to the B650M

Been googlign and testing things for about the last 2 hours lol

[mossy gull]

So new CPU and new Chipset.

If you use your old Windows make sure to uninstall old Chipset drivers and install the new ones.

You do need Chipset drivers or else the system works like ass.

[deep zenith]

I was leanign towards that but wasn't certain on the best way to uninstall

See 5 years ago I just googled this stuff and I found my answers pretty quick. I don't suppose you happen to be A Keeper of That Sacred Knowledge?

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-warhammer-tech-priest-gif-14919800332216808310

[mossy gull]

I went from B550(AMD 5800X3D) to Z890(Intel U9-285K).

[deep zenith]

I did at least stay with Ryzen, went from the 5 5600x to the 7 7800x3d

[mossy gull]

I did it for stability reasons 😅

But what do you want to know?
Because I have no idea how to uninstall it.
And the Chipset drivers are decently easy to get depending on the motherboard brand.

[deep zenith]

So the only information I've been able to dig up so far is that I should update the BIOS to the most recent (need to pick up a friggin' thumb drive, apparently, so I can load that on. My usual Thumb Drive poofed on me). Is that what you meant by CHipset Drivers? And most other posts recommend doing a windows re-install as well.

[mossy gull]

But what motherboard do you have?

[deep zenith]

The GIgabyte B650M wifi gaming

[mossy gull]

If its Gigabyte you can use their own Gigabyte Control Center and later throw it away.

Just make sure not to install Norton 😅

[deep zenith]

Specifically: GIGABYTE B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI AM5

Seee, that's another issue I'm having. The GCC isn't really telling me anything of value. Just...hm

Uuuh now it's showing me stuff

...oh ffs, my SNip TOol shortcut broke again...now I need to figure out how I fixed that before...

Can I just use this?

[mossy gull]

Make sure you deselect Norton from the Driver and Software, and yes you do probably need that BIOS firmware.

Probably to prevent AMD CPUs from blowing up'

[deep zenith]

Fair. What was that about Norton, though?

[mossy gull]

GCC kinda tries to install Norton if you don't deselect it

[deep zenith]

...Ew

There are a LOT of things it wants to install lol

[mossy gull]

Do the motherboard BIOS 1st, then we look through the rest

[deep zenith]

Kay, back eventualy!

...

hm

Said it needed to restart and now the thing tells me there's no updates.

And didn't restart. Guess I'll restart?

Okay restarted, still said it needed the update, then it just did the same thing, restarted the app and 'no updates'

...huh, that time everything locked up and it restarted

But still says it needs to install.

-w- I swear, I must be like an untrained wizard or something at this rate because weird computer stuff just always happens to me. I even get bugs in games nobody else ever seems to have.

though the computer is restartign in like 1/10th the time it did an hour ago

[mossy gull]

Nope, it's just some finicky Windows stuff.
Plus GCC can install everything in 1 go if it wants to.

[deep zenith]

Well to this point all it's done is reboot the program

Anywho, nearly 2am for me, so I'll be passing out to look with a fresh lense in the morning. THanks fo tthe assist so far!

[mossy gull]

Anytime and sleep well

[deep zenith]

Alright, Morning Messign around: Steam games tha trun on Unreal break as well.

Aaand stardew valley.

Black Mesa launches

[mossy gull]

Maybe it's time to try a WIndows Reinstall then

[deep zenith]

Just waiting to find out if I have a TTRPG game

FF14 is stuuuuttery

[mossy gull]

How is your GPU and CPU connected?

[deep zenith]

plugged in via the PCIE?

Standard slot in

Like, TTS launches and runs perfectly, so does a few other games

Black Mesa launched perfect, Palworld broke, Robocop broke, Planet Crafter broke, Rimworld works...it's an interesting issue. Once I find out if my game works, will do a window sreinstall and see what happens

[mossy gull]

I would reinstall Windows at this point

It sounds like something in Windows broke and that causes issues

[deep zenith]

Yup, pretty sure of that as well

[cinder lagoon]

You probably need to log out and log back in because the credentials were encrypted by a key stored in the replaced hardware

Try re-authenticating via:

• windows settings > accounts
• Microsoft store
• Xbox Game Bar

[deep zenith]

Steam games are also affected, but alright

[cinder lagoon]

It might also help if you reset the xbox app here

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh hang on what I might have skipped something furhter down

Wait a sec

[deep zenith]

Where are those settings, lol?

[cinder lagoon]

This is in german but it should translate to:
Accounts > Your Accounts

[deep zenith]

Amusingly: I tried to Repair it and:

[cinder lagoon]

And here make sure to select the point "App Settings", not just "Settings".
Might need to expand

But for sure:
Most of the issues should be fixed after installing the chipset drivers and BIOS update

[deep zenith]

I feel like I'm missing somethign or my version displays thigns differently than yours

[cinder lagoon]

Well, if repair isn't working it might need a reset

Looks like you're still on windows 10?

[deep zenith]

Nope, 11

[cinder lagoon]

Huh.

the stuff thats on mine is just
"Stop the app"
"Repair"
"Reset"
"Uninstall"

So not sure what you mean?

[deep zenith]

Hmm, I also haeve those...

[deep zenith]

Okaay, after doing an AMD update and clean install, thigns are launchign again. Testign game,s FF14 is choppy as all heck

Planet Crafter as well

[cinder lagoon]

odd... can you verify that your hardware isn't thermal throttling or running at the sppeds it should be running at?
have you enabled expo?

[deep zenith]

I know not of these spells you speak

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-guards-woman-guard-imperial-guard-gif-17348510

Not crashing half my system though, so, improvement!

Hmm, Quarentine zone still seems broken

And the Gigabyte control center still won't work right.

Oop, there we go, Quarentine zone brok the task manager and itself

[deep zenith]

Only other thing I can think of to do now is a windows reinstall.

[deep zenith]

HMmm, yup, ran out of things to do to make things work. Anyone have any final ideas and recommendations on the best way to redo windows to see if that fixes it?

[deep zenith]

...

Hm.

SOmethign very simple might have been the issue it seems, though now I have another mystery.

Seems a big part of the issue waaaaaaaaaaaas....

My monitors were plugged into the MOBO and not the GPU

That sadi I had to do all the other stuff anyway lol

[cinder lagoon]

using HWInfo or similar programs to verify the following:

• CPU and GPU temp < 85°C
• Looking at CPU Clock speeds over time in the graph view - sudden short declines speak for "throttling" and would account for the stuttering you're experiencing. Depending on the sensors present, choose "Maximum clock speed", "Average Speed", etc
• If present, see whether Throttling sensors (Current Throttling, Thermal Throttling" in the CPU and Motherboard sub-tree are turning on

[cinder lagoon]

ohh absolutely, bruh...
One of the classic plunders, infact so classic that nobody remote thinks of it :P

[deep zenith]

Exactly!

XD

[frozen igloo]

Anyone have any experience building a tokenizer? I have to build one for a class of mine and wanted to see if anyone had any insight/tips

[cinder lagoon]

You're talking about AI input analyzer, right?
The thing that bills you based on your usage

When you're done, feel free to tell us any tips about circumventing one :P

[frozen igloo]

I have to make a programming language for one of my classes this semester, we are building a language on top of java and need to tokenize it ourselves along with create a lexical analysis etc

[cinder lagoon]

ahhhh so you will build the system that turns your words / commands into syntactical instructions? a part of a compiler?
i think i had a class that struck that topic orthogonally

maybe this is also slightly relevant (tho steep introduction)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcVA8Nj6HEo&pp=ygUPcGx1cyB0aW1lcyBwbHVz

[frozen igloo]

That sounds right, the class just got reworked it's all new curriculm without a TA, i'll take a look at that

[cinder lagoon]

be not afraid of the syntax in this vid, the methodology seems highly relevant for your thing.
If you had a higher calculus course it should be fine

[deep zenith]

TODAY in the Saga of Tiber's WTF DID HE DO!

the joy of....
LoadLibrary failed with error 87: The Parameter is incorrect.

Been doign that since I moved my plugs from MOBO to GPU, stops at least one game from launching, too. And also I get a whole bunch of those little pop ups

Much have I been googling. Naught has helped. And can't rename the silly atig6pxx.dll file (Of which there are TWO.)

Always love when my computer tells me I don't have permission to do a thing, yup.

[cerulean helm]

Well, thats a new error I've never seen. Upon the PC botting up my main display was in the wrong resolution while my 2nd monitor was fine. Opened up display settings and display 1 was listed as NV Failsafe 1 with no option to do anything with it. Rebooted PC and the display worked fine.

[surreal moss]

Oh yeah. I’ve seen that maybe once every two or three years

Always makes for a fun moment of panic

[sonic meadow]

So apparently if my laptop freezes in the middle of a YouTube video... It just keeps playing it (well I get the sound, none of the rest of the laptop responds)
And it went longer than the typical few seconds of an audio buffer emptying

Ooooh it eventually bluescreened with "driver power state failure"

I think usually I hard power cycle when it freezes, so hadn't seen the eventual bluescreen (it took a few minutes)

[sonic meadow]

I do love that the bluescreen no longer provides the stop codes. Really makes it useful /s

[vestal stirrup]

Been trying to set up vlans on a new switch for months, nothing worked, kept shutting me out or simply not working when trying to reach the internet.
Turns out my routor is crap and does not understand vlans
Months!

[cinder lagoon]

Actually the new black screens provide more meaningful / useful stop codes.
However they don't provide sad smiley on blue background anymore :(

In other news:
Fuck my life..
In the process of moving my PC one room, it seems to have developed an OS agnostic "CACHE HIERARCHY ISSUE" (whatever that really means)
It seems to be less frequent without DOCP enabled but present with AB, A, B memory sticks installed :(

Here's to hoping that a CPU reseat will fix it...

On windows it causes freezes with WHEA event viewer entries, on Linux it hard reboots the system with a message on next boot

[mossy gull]

I am baffled that AMD still has no MFG, and I have it 4X on my 285K

[deep zenith]

I managed to fix it (eventually), the final step apepared to be:
Download the AMD CLeanup Tool, run that, remove all my AMD Drivers, and then reinstall

Still dunno why the system would not let me rename the file, which is the initial recommended fix.

Turns out the issue is caused by the specific file atig6pxx.dll being corrupted or somehow damaged.

Today's Google was more helpful than Last Week's google.

[cinder lagoon]

Wth am I reading??
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/motherboards/asrock-launches-new-frankensteined-motherboard-with-one-ddr4-slot-and-two-ddr5-slots-intel-board-signals-the-ram-apocalypse-is-truly-nigh

[cinder lagoon]

ITS THE MOTHERBOARD (thank god)

[stark aspen]

I’m considering buying a pc:
are these good? I mean i understand their basic functions but i don’t know how to bench mark them as a package

CPU:
AMD R7 5700
Graphics:
AMD Radeon 7600
RAM:
32GB DDR4 3200MHZ Non-RGB

For $50 more i could get the Nvidia RTX 5060 Ti 8GB instead

[sacred seal]

Whether or not that is good really depends on the price.
Its quite an old system, but is still perfectly usable.
For 50$ extra the 5060ti is definitely worth it though.

Also 32gb of ram in this day and age is amazing

[stark aspen]

Its 1300 for the whole pc (the one that has the 5060h

But theres also a discount of 100 in that store rn

[sacred seal]

That seems a bit steep, but I haven't been keeping on top of the prices.

USD?

[stark aspen]

Yea

I’m looking at the shadow 4 on skytechgaming if that helps

[sacred seal]

Ok, parted it out, its about the same as if you were to build it yourself, but you would most likely get better parts if you were to do that.

[stark aspen]

Im not really trying to spend more than 1500 because i’d be buying a monitor and keyboard. I also don’t know anything about building

[sacred seal]

Building a PC is very straight forward, and if you have any odd issues the group here is typically fairly quick to help diagnose them.

[stark aspen]

Where did you price out the parts? New egg?

[sacred seal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mLW8K7

Dropped down to 16gb of ram to save ~70$s

Haven't built a PC in awhile so I am not 100% that this is the best you can eek out at that budget, but the componentry should be sinificantly better and with more upgrade options.

[stark aspen]

👍

The one thing im completely blind on is how much you should spend on a cooler

[sacred seal]

That depends on a lot of factors. Simply put though, the cooler I have in my list is a fair bit more beefy then the one that is going to ship with the prebuilt

You can also look at cases and see if there is one that you prefer the looks at.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nBFCmG/phanteks-eclipse-g370a-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec370a_dbk01
This one is pretty good value. Not as nice, but its the same chasis as what I have my current rig in.

[stark aspen]

@sacred seal i got a build like this for around the same price, i think its a bit better (maybe?) but only thing i wouldn’t know how to check is the disclaimer about ram clearance

[sacred seal]

In the future you can just send this link

[stark aspen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7rJHNp
well if its any help now… (i completely missed it lol)

[sacred seal]

Thanks, thats a lot easier to compare against

That is a decidedly more modern platform, but whether or not you see much of a difference for the extra $150 you are spending on your core platform is going to really depend on what exactly you are doing. On the upside, you do get better upgradability.
While you could definitely go with a lighter PSU, I would not advise going all the way down to a 650 watt. A good quality PSUs can last several upgrade cycles. What you have in your build is what we call a chineese special. It may be fine, or it may start on fire.

[mossy gull]

To be honest, it's stupid that DDR isn't backwards compatible.

[sacred seal]

I had to pull an 650 watt PSU out of my system last year because certain games would cause my GPU to draw too much power and trip the fuse

[stark aspen]

Is a 850 sufficient?

[sacred seal]

There is sufficent, and there is "future proof". An 850 watt will let you upgrade to pretty well any modern hardware. A 750 is going to be more limiting

[mossy gull]

I would not get a PSU that isn't on the Cybenetics list

The Sama PSU in your list is probably as good as a cheap no-name brand

[stark aspen]

I switched it out for the Corsair RM850x (2024) 850 W Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

[sacred seal]

That is a well respected unit

[mossy gull]

The RM850x is a pretty good PSU

[stark aspen]

Then i assume with all of this you probably need a lot of cables (i have no idea if all the connections for parts come with) and some thermal paste at a minimum to get this to work

[sacred seal]

PSU will come with all the cables you need

Well that and the case will

[mossy gull]

Would be weird if it didn't, and would make it really complex for beginners 😅

[sonic meadow]

and basically all third party cpu coolers come with thermal paste

[sacred seal]

Well no, it used to be the case that you needed to source your own SATA and IDE cables

[sonic meadow]

those came with the motherboard

and have done for... every board I have bought that I can think of

[mossy gull]

I remember those days, but that was quite some time ago 😅

[sacred seal]

They would come with like one sata. Back then it was pretty common to need at least two. One for your cd drive and at least one for your hard drive.

But yeah, not a thing anymore.

NVMEs slot right into the motherboard

And cds are normally done with an external USB caddy in the rare instances they are used at all

[mossy gull]

And they still come with SATA cables😅

[sonic meadow]

2 sata cables in the case of this motherboard

[mossy gull]

looks at my USB BD player

[sacred seal]

For me it was always one. Fortunately I had a large bundle of spares I pulled from scap machines.

[timber barn]

curious video
https://youtu.be/kpjcmXbmMVM?si=hxJio02aboGH-cgB

[timber barn]

anyone using with https://jetkvm.com

looks pretty interessting

[cinder lagoon]

Take a look at nanokvm aswell

Tho jetkvm really is optimized for low-latency high definition.

[cerulean helm]

I have 2 of them. I really like them. I was part of the kickstarter so I got mine for $69 each. Also recently bought a GLI KVM GL-RM10- which is quite a bit more expensive but can output to 4k.

[jade scaffold]

Got my 1080ti out from retirement to fulfill it's god given role of running games again.

Tore it down put a phase change pad on the die put it back together and into my shoe box looking ass server it goes.

Gonna be running cloud gaming for a friend :)

[jade scaffold]

Stress testing it rn I've got it set to run at 60% power and it's still beating the 2060 super and gtx 1080 rather easily

[surreal moss]

I just got an email offering $200 per stick of DDR4. How do I opt out of this time period?

[deep zenith]

GOtta go resurrect the gorilla

[surreal moss]

I’d sacrifice all the ddr5 ram for that

[cinder lagoon]

my PC lives again 🥳
only needed to spend 200 bucks on a motherboard :/

well I could've gone cheaper but I kinda wanted to get PCIe4 and more lanes in general

is there any device that splits a pcie 4 link into twice the pice 3 links?

[mossy gull]

Don't 200.- come with PCIe 5 these days?

[cinder lagoon]

Well it was 175€ soooo kinda I guess.
AM4 seems to be pretty expensive for its age

Replacing anything else would have implied a platform upgrade which just wouldn't be the time for it.
Would have been +250€ for RAM Alone

[mossy gull]

Oh, yeah that's very true, but I guess they aren't made in big numbers anymore for the western market.

[mossy gull]

250+ for RAM, I remember the day you got more than 64GB if you paid that amount 😅

[sonic meadow]

Not without spending more money than a person would want. Pcie express switches are.. expensive

[cinder lagoon]

I'm talking about the upcharge to get the same quantity at lowest frequency DDR5 AND SELLING MY REALLY GOOD 32G DDR4

[jade scaffold]

High end am4 was allways spensive

My mobo for am4 was meant to be £200 for a 550 chipset no less

[stark aspen]

Trying to get my pc running for the first time. I have these Asus SATA cables (pair) that im not sure where they need to go

asus P/N: 14013-00024400

[sacred seal]

Sata are a somewhat depreciated standard. With NVME drives a lot of systems no longer use them

Guessing the builder included them just in case you want to add extra sata drives in the future

[stark aspen]

Mmm, well then i don’t know why my monitor says no signal despite turning on. These are the only components that dont go anywhere besides this cable end which i dont know if it needs to be plugged in

[sacred seal]

Those bieng unplugged is fine

PSUs often have 2 8 pin connectors, but your GPU only use one

Can we get a picture of how you have everything plugged in in the back of your PC?

No display is a common issue

[sacred seal]

Yep, that is a very common mistake. You need your display plugged into the GPU ports, not the motherboard ones

[stark aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

Thanks, is it fine to keep the plastic blocker on the other port or is it better to remove?

[sacred seal]

Port covers? it doesn't matter. They just keep dust from getting in the port

[mossy gull]

It seems game devs these days are gonna deliberately block any GPU that isn't Nvidia and AMD.

I guess Nvidia and AMD are gonna pay devs to block GPUs that isn't from them so they can keep the duopoly.

1st Crimson Desert blocking Intel Arc entirely, even if your PC has 1 that you aren't using for gaming the game doesn't even boot.

And I hear another title currently in development does the exact same thing.

[sacred seal]

They probably can't legally do that.

Intel gpus are not blocked, they are not supported.

If you are using custom gpu code, not just dx or Vulcan, you need to compile it for each vendor

[mossy gull]

It refused to boot on my system unless I start the game through the Exe instead of Steam.

[cerulean helm]

GamersNexus actually has info on that in their latest video. Intel only got the game when it was launched. So, no support until their gpu team can literally build a driver for it.

Intel's statement was pretty in the face towards the game developer calling them out for ignoring any and all communication they sent to them offering help.

[sonic meadow]

from some stuff I have picked up regarding another game that lacks intel gpu support, the intel gpus may be doing stuff sufficiently differently that support isnt quite as simple as it might be between amd/nvidia gpus. plus that dev was having big trouble getting support from intel to get it to work

[mossy gull]

I mean, it still sucks that a game refuses to boot when it detects an Intel Arc GPU no matter if you use it or not.

[sonic meadow]

how do these two ways of starting the game differ?

because that statement of yours tends to contradict your initial claim just a bit

[mossy gull]

Through Steam it apparently uses a launcher type of thing.

While through the Exe you bypass that.

[sacred seal]

If you are running multiple gpus, there is a good chance that it's launching on the wrong one. Is a big problem with laptops and igpus

[mossy gull]

Why launch on the iGPU when there's no screen connected through it😅

[sonic meadow]

so its the publishers launcher that is the issue then? not the game?

[sacred seal]

Who knows. Could be that it's not a 3d application

[mossy gull]

Pearl Abyss self publishes their games, but they still use a Launcher

I don't know about the other game

[sonic meadow]

anyway, sounds like you have a workaround (start the game that "blocks Intel Arc entirely" directly). this does sound like a launcher issue rather than a game one though

[mossy gull]

It's just annoying that I can't do it through Steam😅

[sacred seal]

Bit clunky, but you can probably add the exe to steam by linking it as a non steam game

There is also this https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/jpgfzh/can_i_make_steam_open_a_different_exe_file/

[mossy gull]

I did it in GOG.

A bit more hassle than Steam but better than nothing.

[mossy gull]

Pearl Abyss, devs from Crimson Desert just unlocked the game so people with Intel Arc GPUs can play the game, even when it's not optimised.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/59ds5XSWLqs?si=1jui7VS68HhE8ivy

[clear grail]

Not into tech much, anyone got experience with starlink/ uses one with the roaming when moving?

Am debating getting one perhaps for my truck as on the road and out of country much so unlimited data sounds nice but idk if they would be good for that at its price range

[surreal moss]

They have a plan specifically for what you’re describing

I looked into it pretty heavily when I was planning for the rv lifestyle

[mossy gull]

They have a roaming plan

[clear grail]

yeah i saw

was just wondering bout peoples experience before forking over 250 for the unit plus probz 70bucks for adapter and mounting shit to hang it on my roofwindow of truck/ 90bucks a month plan

[mossy gull]

You can even roam with the normal plan, but it'll be less stable than the roaming plan

[clear grail]

what , like driving?

[mossy gull]

Don't know, I only ever used when stationary 😅

[clear grail]

yeah i see, well i mean, i want the unlimited one obv

spending more n more times in not netherlands and i like

have a 100gb roam

outside of that

and im almost trough :k

plus just easier for the laptop/ wanna get a small tv in cab that run of internet too

[mossy gull]

Then the roaming plan should be the best

[clear grail]

the stationary but for travelers just be u set up when parked each time or sum no?

not work when driving?

[mossy gull]

I don't know actually, all I know is if you travel a lot, the roaming 1 is better.

How it actually works, I don't know

[clear grail]

mhm k

[mossy gull]

Maybe ask people who camp a lot, there's a bigger chance of them having Starlink Roaming than us tech people 😅

[clear grail]

true but i mean

tech people do tend to get tech stuff cuz why not

[surreal moss]

They have a different plan for internet while in motion and that uses a different flat top mounted antennae. There's a US RV discord I'm in that has people that have figured out various quick mounts for the regular starlink to make setting up and taking down a lot easier.

[cinder lagoon]

The stationary definitely DOESN'T work while driving.
It needs line-of-sight to it's satellites and for the stationary one to actually do something meaninful it needs to be aligned by hand.

they have one that auto-adjusts and one that has a broader field of view afaik but not sure

[sacred seal]

That doesn't sound right to me. Starlink satalites are not in geostationary orbit.

[cinder lagoon]

Nono, not at all

But the app gives you a specific spot in the sky to point it at to ensure consistent connection while the different satellites are handing your connection off to eachother

If you mis-align it, you often get dropouts because the antenna doesn't have ANY of their satellites in it's field of view during hand-off

[sacred seal]

OK, I thought all the versions had tracking capabilities. I seem to recall an anti cat feature that would let you tilt them to dump any cats that decided to sit on the heating element

[cinder lagoon]

Nope, thats just the premium options.
The cheapest are basically just a square with a kickstand.
It can aim using electromagnetic manipulation inside of its field of view tho. that is how it targets the satellites

Something something beam forming

...why tf do I know all that? 🤔 I only set one up at our office once, when our ISP was down...

[sonic meadow]

Grrr. Pulled a WiFi card out of a laptop to stick in a tinypc.. it was minipcie not m.2 😦

[mossy gull]

It's not like there's physical size differences between the two 🤔

[sonic meadow]

There is. Minipcie is about 10mm wider. If i had been thinking in would have realized it was wrong when I was pulling it out

[mossy gull]

Don't worry, I have done the exact same thing, even with early SSDs

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah minipcie is a pain.
Especially since some types of modules only come in minipcie

Tbf m.2 is also a pain...
Want wifi + bt card?
You need that special type of m.2 that routes pcie and USB

[sonic meadow]

most wifi cards are the same key

(m.2 ones that is)

well one of two keys iirc

[cinder lagoon]

Want a GSM modem?
Need either that other special m.2 slot or minipcie

[cinder lagoon]

M.2 is great for SSDs, anything else is basically too niche and you need to sort out the headache auf M.2 A-G connectors

Fuck this

[sonic meadow]

its basically just M used for ssds these days iirc, and... A or E for wifi. though sometimes maybe B 🤔

[clear grail]

mhm, well im planning if i do to get the mini with the roaming plan on the move

just short drops cuz tunnels or such is fine by me

and bonus is they be flat mounted so i then either mount it on my roof window or ask mechanic make a bracket or such and put it on the back of the truck

[surreal moss]

Oh! The roaming plans are much more reasonable now

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah not sure if the flat mounted ones can do roaming thats the thing
it will happily work while stationary and the plan is fin with your receiver moving around a bunch but I'd def look at the details sheet before buying

[surreal moss]

The flat mounted are specifically intended for use with in motion plans

[clear grail]

Well I ordered one

Saïd fuck it

As I checked, if say i do run out of data on phone out of country jts 20 quid for 6 gb and I mean

That’s nothing for me

I use that just for my traffic app in a day

So yea

[surreal moss]

Which one did you get?

[clear grail]

Mini

Fits inside my truck on skylight and can be used flat mounted

If ends up needing I could always upgrade and have mechanic make an mount and pull wire into cab

[surreal moss]

Nice!

Here’s one mounting idea I saw once

[clear grail]

Oh that’s nice but I mean also theft risk

But that’s a good idea and could work for me, but if it works inside cab I’ll keep it there so it won’t be stolen as u know

Sleeping 8 hrs someone go on I won’t notice as Im a deep sleeper

But I’ve considered such if needed but on a pneumatic system or smth that releases it up/ unlock

Mhm got email, seems 5th/9th April it be already delivered

[mossy gull]

AMD fanatics on Reddit: aMd Is MoRe EfFiEnT tHaN iNtEl.

Intel: https://www.notebookcheck.net/43-hours-battery-life-Dell-XPS-14-2026-lasts-almost-3x-longer-vs-MacBook-Air-15-M5-in-web-browsing-test.1262947.0.html

[cerulean helm]

Excellent, I managed to snag Ubiquiti's travel router while it was briefly in stock. Will be very useful this summer.

Also saw they are jumping into the smoke/fire/carbon monoxide alarm business. Will be interesting to see how those work. I have to replace my current alarms in the next 2 years as their filters eol.

[jade scaffold]

Yea intel on some crack ATM for laptops

[mossy gull]

I mean 43 hours on a 70 Wh battery, that's almost 2 days full, heck, if that laptop had a 100 Wh battery it probably would surpass that.

I think Intel is using some black magic or something.
It wasn't long ago they reached less than half.

[jade scaffold]

I'm.surpisee the 16 inch version doesn't tbh

It uses the exact same battery as the 14" one weirdly

[mossy gull]

Dell probably only increased the chassis and screen size.
And use the USB on daughter boards so they can easily extend the chassis size without changing the motherboard.

[jade scaffold]

Maybe

My XPS 14 arrives today

[mossy gull]

Please tell me how the keyboard feels and how the screen is.

I am thinking about a simple replacement for my Surface Book 2.
And it shouldn't be too expensive as I need it for work.

[jade scaffold]

My ones the Tandem OLED model with the full fat panther lake chip

Was on sale for just under 2k down from 2.25

[mossy gull]

Under 2K, damn, that's a steal

[jade scaffold]

You can get the LCD model with a lower end chip for like 1.6 or I think an oled with the lower end chip for 1.7

[cinder lagoon]

My ear are tingling********
XPS16 2026 for 1600?

[jade scaffold]

thats the 14 not sure what the 16 is

lemme check

the 14 is really smoll its the size of most 13" laptops because it has borderline no bezzels

starts at 1700 for the none oled

1900 for the oled for the xps 16

[cerulean helm]

Well. Even with the current pc parts market it soon might be cheaper to build a budget pc than buying a console. The PS5 pro now costs $900.

[cinder lagoon]

Awww man :///

Still hoping i can get a 338H 16" laptop 🤔

[jade scaffold]

The 14 is 1800 for the tandem oled there's no difference between the 14 and 16 other than physical size

[cinder lagoon]

14" tandem oled would be great aswell

But so far I still haven't seen a confirmed model with that specific APU (entry arc b370)

[mossy gull]

I want an X7 or X9 handheld 🤣

[jade scaffold]

The x7 and x9 are identical

I don't get why they bother with the x9

[cinder lagoon]

Number go up 🤓

[mossy gull]

X9 has extra cores but has the same iGPU

Unless I compared the wrong ones😅

[jade scaffold]

you did

both are identical

the x9 has higher clocks thats it which doesnt mean anything really

[mossy gull]

So confusing all these names because the 1 I looked up has 2 P cores instead of 4😅

[mossy gull]

That sounds utter useless🤔

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/caYwWR5eHl4

[clear grail]

Not bad for the truck parked

And moving somehow be better download

[surreal moss]

Nice!

[clear grail]

Yea

Once inverter in maybe bring my gaming laptop n pull some shenanigans with that

Make a tray/ desk to use while in seat with laptop on steering wheel and a mouse keyboard on the tray, we could be onto something there

[surreal moss]

https://youtube.com/shorts/c4rdpbp3k-I?si=ytOFqHWUQicgpXu3

[clear grail]

maybe

xd

my steering wheel i can put laptop on, with my arm rest of seat, all i need is a board on my leg for keyboard n mouse and i can game

[cinder lagoon]

Sounds like you need a couch board (i think they're called that)

Hell yeah, a Couchmaster! *... been called that before 🤓 *
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61vH61qy1rL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

[clear grail]

Nah as I have no couch

I’m in my truck just game if do from driver seat

[cerulean helm]

Well. Never thought id use a program that eats 90% of my system memory with just a broswer tab open with it. Starfields Creation Kit is a hungry beast. I can barely run it.

[mossy gull]

Many similar programs use what they can pull

[cerulean helm]

Just looked at system req for the CK. I barely meet the min for ram. Min requirement is 32gb, it recommends 48gb.

[mossy gull]

With 3D programs take any spec sheet with a grain of salt😅

[runic thorn]

So basically the Creation Kit is free but also costs $3000.

[sacred seal]

Well this is annoying. I wanted to play the new starfield update, but for some reason I can't find my save file...

I did factory reset my computer, but I imaged my drive before that and it is even missing from there.

[cinder lagoon]

Where's the savefile usually located?
Documents folder?

Because Microsoft has been known to basically just move Media folders like that to onedrive

[mossy gull]

For Bethesda games?

User > Documents > Games

[cinder lagoon]

Or is just that specific subfolder missing?

[sacred seal]

That was it. Thanks for pointing that out

[cinder lagoon]

Lol hell nah

[sacred seal]

The weird thing is that it didn't move the entire "my games" folder, just several specific games

And most of those have been duplicated, not moved entirely...

[sonic meadow]

note to self: do not drop an m.2 screw on to grey carpet

[clear grail]

Still better than the hidden Lego pieces

[sonic meadow]

I didnt find it. luckily I had a spare from another wifi card (minipcie not m.2) that I pulled out of another machine... annoyingly the antenna cable I had used an older and larger connector so wont work on the card I put in 🙁

[clear grail]

put a sock over vacuum

then vacuum it

[sly valley]

Okay, so the legion tower I bought a while ago has been great, easy maintenance and generally great for my simple gaming! Here’s my question:

What sorta specs should I aim for when building a high end pc? I have a decent surge protector (3000w ish)

Cause as far as I know I should aim for a 5070 ti or 5090 at my local microcenter

[jade scaffold]

thoes are 2 very very different gpus

the 5090 is literally 2x faster

[surreal moss]

Unless you’re actually going to use the horsepower of a 5090 a 5070 will be more than sufficient

[jade scaffold]

depends on what kinda gaming you wanna do too

like if high resolution high refresh is what you want the 5090 will do it

but also very very spenny especially atm

[surreal moss]

Well, a 5070 can also do that in the majority of cases

[jade scaffold]

the 5090 is hardest hit by memory price increases as it uses the most memory chips out of any consumer gpu

[jade scaffold]

4k 120-240?

in CS maybe

it'd not be doing that well in GTAV enhanced or Hunt Showdown or Darktide

[surreal moss]

I’ve seen people report hitting that in CP2077 with one

[jade scaffold]

definatly not native they arent

it literally doesnt have the vram

[surreal moss]

I’m also coming from a 5090 and it’s overkill in 90% of game situations

If you want the best best then spend for a 5090. But a 5070 will meet your needs in most cases

That’s my main point

[jade scaffold]

the 5070 is a very good value gpu but it doesnt even hit half the performance of the 5090 the 5070ti is a cut down 5080

a 5050 would get the majority of your needs in most cases but like 5070 ti vs 5090 is a weird choice to bring up honestly like thats not a small choice thats spending 2.5x more money on one gpu than the other

like if you can afford to spend 2-3k on a gpu and you dont mind spending that much money then get yourself a nice monitor and enjoy but like the 5070ti will do 4k 60 in like anything if you are running lower resolution youll get even more

[sly valley]

Seeing as I’m going to be using it for more than just gaming
(Architecture modeling, 3d renders/modeling, art and video editing) I’m not becoming a streamer or YouTuber, that seems to emotionally and mentally taxing to me!

It’s the way to go for me, plus it’s better to be future prepared, for the ever-growing tech industry

[surreal moss]

5090 makes more sense with this context

[timber barn]

What sometimes is forgotten in that discussion. The bigger card could serve you twice as long

For me for example I still use the 1080TI. A 1070 is not being used today anymore I would think

[cinder lagoon]

HELL YEAH
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-to-resurrect-ryzen-7-5800x3d-am4-with-10th-anniversary-edition-leaker-claims-return-of-legendary-cpu-a-sign-of-bleak-pc-building-landscape

in Germany that thing currently goes for like 300-600€ and actually it's still very capable!!!

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
https://youtu.be/5c1sGzZnuiU
https://youtu.be/GnOpIQJnYWU

[surreal moss]

I need less Pro products and more clearly identifiable ones

[jade scaffold]

yee just saw this

its not bad atall

price wise for the same spec its not too disimilar to Dells XPS though seems to loose quite substantially on batery life

still fantastic battery life vs AMD devices though

[cinder lagoon]

FFFFFFFFUCK I JUST GOT THE FW16 Ryzen 7840 at work ._.

I mean... the new one is probably WAY more expensive but still

It's actually a blast tho!

Maybe I can snag a new Module 🤔 I only got 5/6 atm

[timber barn]

Framework is my goto recommendation for non macs

the 13 is super sweet

[cinder lagoon]

They are a little pricey tho

[mossy gull]

They're pricey upfront though, if you're careful with your devices and look after them they're actually pretty cheap

[surreal moss]

It’s competitive with the XPS

[jade scaffold]

In price it's almost 1:1

Though the XPSs battery life is substantially longer

Owing I think almost entirely to the soldered memory

[surreal moss]

Being free of Dell’s crapware is a huge bonus imo

[jade scaffold]

you can just like reinstall the OS?????

the upgradeability of the framework is huge plus as it allows hopefully for you to upgrade to the next gen when that releases for substantially less than just buying a new device

[surreal moss]

You know that. I know that. Typical users don’t or are intimidated by it. Being able to recommend something comparable that doesn’t have to be detoxed is a win

[cinder lagoon]

Doesn't help with the horrid firmware issues I had on my "old" work laptop (xps 17) xD

[cinder lagoon]

Given the repairability and adjustability, absolutely. Steep upfront is what most people care about sadly :/

[cerulean helm]

Cloud Gaming Server GPU for under $1000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMgRZTMxh1I

Its got some issues. Driver issues, but hopefully it should get figured out.

[jade scaffold]

Shame there's no consumer variant of that GPU yet

400-450 for a arc B770 16gb would be phenomenal

[mossy gull]

Hopefully Celestial will get a midrange again, would be cool.

Also, AMD is being an asshole......
https://youtu.be/FD_noSVTR08

[cerulean helm]

I'm sorry what?

[jade scaffold]

thats so spenny

[cinder lagoon]

Ya know what fell off the truck at work today? (Metaphorically speaking)

5x 4TB Server HDDs
5x 500GB Samsung 840 EVOs

🤑

Of course they are used and I suspect at least one of the HDDs is (at least) partly broken but hell yeah

[cinder lagoon]

That's my issue with the FE
They produce not enough for the demand and they get SUPER expensive :/
Wanted one for years

[runic thorn]

Oh, so that's where the SUPER in some of the model names comes from.

[cerulean helm]

Best performance fans on the market. Those T30s are nuts. Loud, but nuts.

[jade scaffold]

thoes aint t30s

T30 aint got nothing on these things

2.2x the Max fan airflow rate of the T30s
1.5x the pressure
and 1.5x the RPM
140x140x37mm

[cinder lagoon]

exactly xD

will probably swapping some deskop server fans for a customer of us some day in the next few weeks, along with some on-chip heatsinks...
expecting thermal cam pics ^^

[crystal lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfr4QN1Hvhs - the reviews for new Steam Controller are hitting

100$ might be a tough sell, but it seems that they will be releasing really soon

[surreal moss]

Ouch

[crystal lance]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-take-my-money-money-gif-12362351

anyways

If they are giving me steam deck controls on a computer, without the tablet in the middle? I am in anyway

and now with the teardown and everything, and the fact that the puck also does charging I can somewhat understand why they placed the TMR sticks on the same board as the USB-C port

since in most cases, you would be going wireless and charging via the puck pins, which look suspiciously like emm, nothing alike old macbook magsafe connector pins

[jade scaffold]

oh nice

Thats the main thing im interested in

i already have a Decent VR Headset atm and the steam machine is uh... i have my gripes

[crystal lance]

Also my main point of interest is the controller - as for the Steam machine - we'll need to see how it fares price/performance wise to things like minisforum/OEM miniPCs from the big 3

It is targetted mainly at people who might otherwise buy a console

[jade scaffold]

the steam machines issue is gonna be if anyone makes an intel panther lake APU system for the same price as it its instantly doa

[crystal lance]

and with the size, it's also pretty mobile

[jade scaffold]

the steam machine performance wise is going to line up pretty much exactly with the RX7600M/Desktop RX 6600 conviniently also what the B390 IGPU in intels latest chip is aproximately equivilent to

IF valve released the steammachine last year it'd be a much better sell

but not only is it going to be borderline incapable of running anything new at 1080p 60fps it'll do so while consuming 2x the power of devices now similarly capable to it and with new generations not far away the prices of pcs running older hardware generally might drop and any midrange pc from the last 6 years will outperform the steam machine

[crystal lance]

ohhhhh, the trackpads are BIGGER

so okay

my wallet sheds tears of joy already 😅

[jade scaffold]

the battery looks super easy to replace which is fantastic

[crystal lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a55UIaiTE-A

and.... we have the date

*Steam Controller arrives on Steam May 4th, 2026, at 10 a.m. Pacific, and we want you to be prepared: Start stretching those gaming hands! Actually, we're referring to this video, which walks you through the simple steps to get it working straight out-of-the-box. (But, like, if you also want to do some stretches that's cool too.) *

[sly valley]

Okay, went to get a custom pc from microcenter, need tips for this thing. Specifically maintenance and proper care

Besides dusting, and putting on a new thermal paste every 5-6 months (last my research recommended), what do I need to do to properly care for this?

[crystal lance]

dusting is the main thing

[sacred seal]

You really do not need to replace thermal paste

Its one of those things you do if you start having issues, not something you do regularly. I have a few systems that were built more then ten years ago that have never had there thermal paste replaced

You will need to monitor your cooler a bit, since it is watercooled there is a good chance it will die within 3-5 years