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[jade scaffold]

The markets flooded with old mellanox cards

[mossy gull]

I don't have a LAN connection everywhere, and WiFi7 access points are god awful expensive

[jade scaffold]

Truly a skill issue

[mossy gull]

That still leaves the PC at work though, and I don't think they're too happy of work files surfing over the web.

[jade scaffold]

Even still

Only 3 usb c ports actually needed

You never had a USBC issue

You just planned badly

[mossy gull]

With a program that constantly writes and reads?
Huge amounts of data?

[jade scaffold]

Yea

2 for the SSDs 1 for the drawing tablet

[mossy gull]

I only have 2 USB-C ports on the back.

[jade scaffold]

And 1 on the front

If you don't have 1 type c on the front your case is achient

If you don't have a type c on your mobo you've lied aabout your pc specs

Fun fact the type c header on the mobo is actually USB Type E

[mossy gull]

I have 1 in the front, it's not that ancient, just my clumsy ass rather not plugs anything in the front.

[mossy gull]

I have a total of 1 internal header, and 2 on the back.

[mossy gull]

1 problem, the internal header is already used by the case.

[jade scaffold]

What happened to not using the font usb c port

[sonic meadow]

you just said you dont like plugging things in to the front, so its not really

[mossy gull]

Oh yeah, forgot about that🤣

[jade scaffold]

If you arent using it then may as well direct it to the back

Also you don't need type c for your SSDs

That's 20gbps on them that's like gen 3x2 speeds that's fine for any application. Usb A ports on the back of the mobo can do 10gbps

[mossy gull]

I would agree if they decided to use USB 3.2x2 gen 2 or whatever they're called, the 20gig ones.

[jade scaffold]

Which is about where external SSD cap out anyway

[sonic meadow]

theres also an adaptor like this to let you plug a usb-c internal cable in to a usb3 header

[mossy gull]

But they're 3.0 variants, the 5 gig ones, I am never buying Gigabyte ever again, especially not in this price range I bought mine at.

[jade scaffold]

All front panel headers are 3.0 or rather dual 3.0 for the usb A ports

Back of mobos for gigabyte since B550 have had 10gbps usb A ports

[sonic meadow]

there are variants of this kind of thing out there that will do 3.1gen2 (ie 10gig), but it does require the usb3 header support that

[mossy gull]

4x 5 gig(Blue), 2x 10 gig(Red), 4x USB2(White).
I have an mATX

[mossy gull]

USB3 confusion.......

[sonic meadow]

type-c doesnt make it any better 😛

[mossy gull]

At least it's called USB4, unless they decided 4.2x2 will also be thing 😅

[sonic meadow]

usb4 is distinct from usb-c. c is just the connector standard

[jade scaffold]

Yea usb A isn't big enough for usb 4 I don't believe

Well not size that's the issue

[mossy gull]

It's I believe a lane issue

[jade scaffold]

It's fitting the extra pins while maintaining the position of current pins

[mossy gull]

USB-A is max 8 lanes I believe

[sonic meadow]

usb3 was already a bit of a stretch to fit inside the usb type-a connector

[mossy gull]

Double stacked pins

[sonic meadow]

while also maintaining backwards and forwards compatibility

[jade scaffold]

They have to remain compatible with older ports though is the issue

The U in USB stands for universal

[mossy gull]

I once had a rare USB3 Mini-B

[jade scaffold]

You can plug any usb port into any other usb port

[jade scaffold]

Thoes things were weird

[sonic meadow]

though type-c fucked that up

[jade scaffold]

Yea

You can still plug them into eachother 0 issue

But you just might not get the full featureset

[mossy gull]

The 1 I had looked like a normal Mini-B, but didn't work with 2.0

USB3 Micro-B is weird

And should've never have been born

[sonic meadow]

blame portable harddrives

[mossy gull]

Which could've used the USB3 Mini-B instead of the Micro-B

[sonic meadow]

mini was already well deprecated at that point

[mossy gull]

But then, this should've never existed at all

Also, everyone I know calls that cable a "Printer cable"

[sonic meadow]

well they were primarily used for printers. the pre-3.0 one at least

secondarily for external drives and drive enclosures

[jade scaffold]

And for some reason certain versions of the blue snowball

[sonic meadow]

thirdly, hubs on devices like monitors

heck, I think my current monitor uses the usb3 version for its hub

[mossy gull]

This isn't backwards compatible, it ain't fit in a Female-B 2.0

[sonic meadow]

sure, but if a plug fits it works

[mossy gull]

Wait, a mic used that cable?

[sonic meadow]

those arent the same form factor, its an extension of that form factor.
oh yeah, my mic uses a usb2 type-b

[mossy gull]

😐

[jade scaffold]

So does my steering wheel

Like why

[sonic meadow]

its a less finicky connector than mini/micro

[mossy gull]

Serial port back in the days😃

[jade scaffold]

Yea but my wheel is pretty modern

So why not use I guess type C

[sonic meadow]

and cheaper to implement than type-c 😛

[mossy gull]

Also, I was reading about an USB that you can screw in like old serial cables so they never come out

[jade scaffold]

True

We should just randomly all swap to type E usb

What's type D is there a type D or was that skipped

[mossy gull]

Never hard of that

[sonic meadow]

well they mentioned it earlier 😛
its the internal type-c header

[mossy gull]

I remember the days of reversible Type-A

[sonic meadow]

heh. mines got a hardwired type-a plug.
which I actually needed to replace when I got it, swapped it out for one from a mouse 😆

[jade scaffold]

Oh I bought those fans btw

[mossy gull]

cries in having no steering wheel

[sonic meadow]

well I got mine second hand.

doesnt see much use though, I dont like setting it up and then unsetting it up

[jade scaffold]

There's also a decent chance they do actually use pwm

[sonic meadow]

something voltage controlled will also run off pwm 😆

not necessarily correctly, but run it should

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's the correctness I want though

Hoping for normal pwm

Depends who made the fans tho

Ones made by delta I believe tended to be pwm

There's another companies and theirs were 0-12v ran ones

[mossy gull]

That's why my flight sim gear is always connected, not to mention it if I swap the USB ports from 1 I can redo my bindings

[sonic meadow]

no I mean the physical side of setting it up. since I dont have a dedicated simrig, the wheel goes in front of my keyboard, and the pedals where my feet usually go

[mossy gull]

Sounds like a pain

[sonic meadow]

mroe annoying than anything. hence why I dont like setting it up

especially when im only going to be using it for an hour or two

[mossy gull]

I use my laptop for many other stuff, my "desktop" for mostly gaming, unless I go drawing, it depends on my mood if it's laptop or desktop time

[jade scaffold]

Yea I love using my wheel but setting it up isn't half alot of effort

[sonic meadow]

also an office chair doesnt make for a good car seat 😆

[mossy gull]

I just noticed as I going through my cables,
My BeQuiet PSU has 12-pin to 2 8-pin connector, but the 12-pin is the size of 2 6-pins.

Why le fuck didn't Nvidia use that😐

[jade scaffold]

Yea my bequiet PSU had one of those too

Before it blew up

[mossy gull]

Nice🤣

[mossy gull]

Not 1 desk chair is pretty much

[sonic meadow]

we dont have any non-wheeled chairs that I know of

well I guess there is that one on the deck, but tbh it would probably be too low

[mossy gull]

If I would make a racing sim rig I would go to the dump, get a real car chair and use that

[sonic meadow]

sure. I dont have the space for (or motivation to make) a proper sim rig though

[mossy gull]

Fair enough, I sadly do

[sonic meadow]

okay, I do actually have the space in this place. dont have the spare good monitor though

[mossy gull]

They are pricey, good ones that are

[sonic meadow]

yes, mine was when I got it 😆

I also just.. wouldnt use it enough to justify the space it takes up. especially since it would cut in to my VR floorspace

[mossy gull]

When you advertise monitor speakers
https://youtu.be/O5wodk1BxYM

[mossy gull]

VR, what's your opinion on the Big Screen VR?

[sonic meadow]

the new one looks insane

would love to have the 2-2.5k to drop on one. not that my 2060s is especially well suited to it

[mossy gull]

I was thinking on getting 1 for my laptop.

[sonic meadow]

you would need a pretty beefy laptop to properly utilise something like that, though I figure thats something you have

the new one at least, dont remember how it differs from the previous one

[mossy gull]

MSI Titan 18HX with a 4090 and 128GB RAM?

[sonic meadow]

you will need lighthouses though for tracking, and some form of controller

[mossy gull]

Living Room is big enough 😅

[jade scaffold]

It's pretty cool but has it's issues imo

One big one is it can't achieve 90hz at full Res

And it has to drop it's Res to quest 3 levels to get 90hz

[mossy gull]

It's still 1 of the fewer OLED headsets and it is I think the lightest

[jade scaffold]

Yea it is

But it's also not great for the fact the headset is costing you a minimum of 1.85k for all the features

I'm not sure where the limitation is here

Usb c should be able to do 4k 120hz no issues

[sonic meadow]

its using DP1.4

[jade scaffold]

Then it should have 0 issue

With DSC I can drive 240hz at 5120x1440

5120x2560 at 90hz I don't feel is a huge ask

[sonic meadow]

69hz if I am reading wikipedia correctly

though thats without DSC, with DSC it goes up to.... 180hz?

it should still be able to though

Due to bandwidth limitations of DisplayPort 1.4, display controllers, and MIPI, Beyond uses....
so its possible that one of the chips they are using is bandwidth limited before the DP1.4 limits are hit

[jade scaffold]

The bsb does 75 at native res

[sonic meadow]

the chart I was reading was without DSC

[jade scaffold]

Can do 90 but it has to drop to quest Res which at that point I'm sorry but a quest 3 can be gotten for a quarter the price

[sonic meadow]

and then you have a quest 😛

[sonic meadow]

though that was for 5120x2880, which is slightly higher resolution than 5120x2560

[jade scaffold]

I wasn't hugely impressed with the bsb 2 as an improvement over the 1

They finally managed to match metas lense quality they have eye tracking which nothing has any support for yet

[sonic meadow]

which does actually work out at 77hz if my maths is right

so its likely just a DSC on/off thing

[jade scaffold]

Yea they might not be using dsc atall

But full Res with dsc will look better than the lower Res without dsc

[sonic meadow]

im just double checking my maths. I might have spoken before properly thinking things over with that last bit

hmmm. 3840x1920@90hz is 14.8Gb/s, where 5120x2560@75hz is 22Gb/s

DP1.4 is 25.9Gb/s total data rate

[jade scaffold]

They could have also used newer dp for it which could have made it a real upgrade over the 1st version

[sonic meadow]

nothing supports dp2

[jade scaffold]

Doesn't matter really

All 50 series does as do amds rx9000s also the Rx7000s do iirc

[sonic meadow]

likely a cost/supplier issue on their part (BSB I mean). or it needed more power, and thus cooling, and thus weight

still should have been able to get 5k90 over dp1.4 though with dsc

[jade scaffold]

They have a cable anyway cables are always heavier than wireless functionally

Unless you have a fancy ass system to hold the cable

[sonic meadow]

its a different kind of weight

[jade scaffold]

A much worse kind for movement imo

[sonic meadow]

its.. different

[jade scaffold]

Regardless they cut some weight anyway

I would have been fine with a teeny tiny bit more weight for the trade off of getting playable refresh rate at full resolution

[sonic meadow]

im wondering if you might be able to play around with resolution somewhat with foveated rendering. present the headset as twice the number of displays. a "large" low resolution and "small" high resolution display for each eye, and then composite them inside the headset

[jade scaffold]

Foveated rendering isnt a thing

[sonic meadow]

hehehe. foliated 😆

[jade scaffold]

It's a soon™️ kinda thing

[sonic meadow]

its mostly not a thing because we never really got eye tracking

[jade scaffold]

No

It's not a thing because valve are fucking useless

[sonic meadow]

steamvr has the prompts for it, but my vive pro isnt the one with eyetracking

so the setup doesnt go anywhere, and I cant see what is available

[jade scaffold]

There's been eye tracking for like 5 years and foveated rendering still isn't a thing

[jade scaffold]

Nothing there's nothing available

I have a headset with eye tracking

[sonic meadow]

mostly used as another body part tracker for stuff like vrchat

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's all eye tracking can be used for

ATM

Valves contribution to the vr space is steam vr and a headset that blows up if you look at it then they dipped and haven't done hardly anything since

Also not helped by no one making good vr games

[sonic meadow]

all the money (and games) are on standalones.. ie the quest

[mossy gull]

Star Citizen supports Eye tracking

[jade scaffold]

There aren't even many good genes on the quests

Valve had the opportunity to drag the vr market kicking and screaming out into action and they chose not to

[mossy gull]

Only reason I would want 1 of those goggles is basically to keep my gaming private

[tidal birch]

Looks like I won't be getting my GPU upgrade in a long while. I should have yoinked a 9070 XT when I had the chance.

Scratch that maybe. It looks like chips are exempt from the tariffs. However, I bet the shops will still price it up.

[surreal moss]

Yep, this rule 5 bullshit is

[tidal birch]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/trump-administration-exempts-computer-chips-and-copper-from-sweeping-tariffs-but-only-for-now-report-says-chip-tariffs-coming-later

Is trade war talk also breaking of rule 5? If so funny but...

[surreal moss]

It’s borderline at best

Trying to keep up with all this though might have me taking my first drink of alcohol in a decade though

[tidal birch]

Oh boy. I would probably be on a similar route. However, I can't drink legally yet.

[surreal moss]

I run IT for a small company. It’s been one hell of a year so far

[tidal birch]

Oof, ya I can see how that would be bad. At least you're not in accounting or logistics. Those people must be ripping their hair out.

[cinder lagoon]

dont do it pal, go out and have a really nice "home"-made lemonade instead :)

been there done that tho

[pseudo heath]

Honestly, public education isn’t very pretty rn too… lab supplies were expensive before and teachers have the onus for paying

Not to mention all the other stuff

[cerulean helm]

I reused most of what I had (minus the 120s) from my old 8700k), but with 2 commander pros it was a cluster of a mess in my Phanteks 719. No way to cable manage the 2 hub units. And I wanted to ditch Corsair but, they seem to be the only ones using magnetic dome bearings. Outside of the T30s from Phanteks. But those have no rgb, and don't match anything in my case.

[jade scaffold]

magnetic bearings dont nessesarilly give you any improvements on their own

noctua i think still use ball bearings

and they have the quietest fan hubs

[cerulean helm]

Life expediency and noise.

[jade scaffold]

atleast quietest untill you get to things that have 80mm wide hubs

noctua fans are rated for huge life times

its why they take so long to release products

i think the A12x25 has a 6 YEAR warrentee

so noctua expect it to last a minimum of that long

noctuas bearings are oil based for the a 12x25

along with magnets to keep the extremely wide hub stable

[cerulean helm]

The RX from Corsair are a 5 year warranty. I stay away from FDB as they don't like to be vertically mounted. And Noctua isn't using ball bearings. At least in the AF12.

[jade scaffold]

noctuas bearing in the A12x25

alot of fan noise also comes from blade geometry and material

[cerulean helm]

But, it all goes back to my rig being a center piece water cooled build. Non rgb fans with a rgb water block would look ugly.

[jade scaffold]

i mean if you want rgb buy rgb fans corsairs are probably the best RGB fans

[cerulean helm]

My LLM PC I use Be Quiet Silent Wings 4, and I can't even hear those, at all.

[jade scaffold]

but performance and reliabiltiy wise they truly are nothing special

bequiets fans are pretty good

its weird the PSUs arent actually all that quiet and dont have a silent mode

[cerulean helm]

I use the Silent Wings 80mm in my server as well. Even those are near silent.

[jade scaffold]

im planning on building a custom abomination of a fan for my main pc

gonna be robbing the fan and hub from the 2019 mac pro

[cerulean helm]

I had hoped Phanteks would release a T30 with lighting, but the D30s are poor performance and use a FDB as a bearing. The Corsair RX fans have really really good static pressure, which I need for my rads.

[jade scaffold]

kinda curious how they stabilise such a huge fan

[mossy gull]

The RX Max are amazing

[cerulean helm]

I'm still tweaking the fan profiles, but so far I have been able to drastically turn down the rpm vs my ML and ML Elite fans.

[rancid plank]

So I just got a new mouse. I decided to fallback to one of my all time favorites, the logitech g502. I've used this mouse previously for many years, and I fondly remember one of the main reasons why I liked the mouse was instead of the side buttons being bound to the same keys on the keyboard, (g, left alt + windows, etc.) they were bound to their own unique keys (Mouse Button 5 (MB5) through MB7.) This essentially added 3 quick access keys to my keyboard (hyper useful).

So it came as a shock to me when I went into GHUB and that feature seems to be gone. (attached above are the two images of what I have, and the 3rd image is what I expected to see)

DPI Up and DPI Down were previously MB6 and MB7 respectively (IIRC)

Did something happen to the UI? can I change this in the settings somehow?

I don't even have access to the two basic side buttons (MB4 and MB5) used in pretty much every game

[surreal moss]

Yeah, I can change mine at will or games can detect them as MB1-5

[rancid plank]

But when I search for MB5 - MB7, nothing comes up

I've tried "mouse" "MB5" "M5" "mouse button 5" etc

[cinder lagoon]

It's not labelled 5, 6 etc anymore

[rancid plank]

what's it labelled as?

[cinder lagoon]

Back == MB5

MB6 should be forwards

[rancid plank]

will games still recognize them as MB4, MB5, etc.?

[cinder lagoon]

And you can set the buttons to something like F13-23 (24 is reserved for some windows function iirc)

[rancid plank]

?

[cinder lagoon]

No you need to set the buttons to do that first

[rancid plank]

there are only 12 function keys

[cinder lagoon]

There are more in the official spec haha

[surreal moss]

Yeah, it’s still fully customizable

[rancid plank]

woah, what the heck?

nice

do games still recognize them?

[rancid plank]

The buttons are already set as Forward and Back

and DPI Up, and DPI Down

how do I configure it so that games an applications recognize them as MB5, MB6, etc.?

[surreal moss]

Look at system

Games will still pick them up as button presses if you haven't remapped them

[cinder lagoon]

DPI up and DPI down are not any of the MB3-7

Right?

[surreal moss]

Correct. You would have to unbind them or assign them a key

[rancid plank]

could've sworn these two buttons were MB6 and 7

[surreal moss]

but there's no problem

They're G8 and G7

so, technically, yes

but they're bound to a mouse function rather than a button that a game will detect

[cinder lagoon]

DPI up and down are mouse internal functions so they probably aren't even sent over the USB cable if you have the buttons set to those functions

[surreal moss]

Just rebind them to something else

[rancid plank]

right, what should I rebind them to so that games and applications will recognize them as MB4 - MB7

[surreal moss]

Whatever you want

[balmy flicker]

I just use []\ and -=

[surreal moss]

That or set a custom profile for the specific games

[balmy flicker]

warning some games might not recognize \ (looking at you MHWilds)

[cinder lagoon]

Or one of the upper F[Number] keys

[balmy flicker]

some games use the F so...

[rancid plank]

Ah I see, there's no way to program them as dedicated Mouse 5, Mouse 6, etc. I have to set them to a certain existing key ([], -+, F22, etc.) I can't have them as simply discrete unique keys

[balmy flicker]

num pad keys can work as well but some games have issues with num pad keys (helldivers)

forward and back are seen as side 1 and 2 by most games

but the remaining 3 IDK

that is how I get around it

the odd thing is side scrolling is not recognised by most games

[rancid plank]

Alright, I just set it to F13, F14, F15, and F16 respectively

works in NX, that's all that matters for now

thanks for the help, guys!

[balmy flicker]

I miss NX I got to use it in college but then we swithched to sollid works (granted the training in SW is better than the class I took was for NX so...

granted it handled certain edge cases and had some better tools than SW did if you learned how to use them

[paper iron]

So uh, win 10 thing here.
Last night as I was about to shut down my pc for the night, I noticed a that a "lock" option had appeared.
And as far as I know, I had not done any updates during the day.

[sacred seal]

Lock is a standard option that has been around for awhile

Though I don't know why it would suddenly appear

[paper iron]

yeah, as far as I remember, it's always only been sleep, shutdown and restart

[paper iron]

on win 10

[mossy gull]

For me that button has disappeared 🤣
I literally am forced to use WIN+L

[paper iron]

so basically microsoft shenanigans

[cinder lagoon]

You can configure the options for that list in Control Panel > Power Config > Choose what power buttons do
(shortcut: Win+R, paste the following: shell:::{025A5937-A6BE-4686-A844-36FE4BEC8B6D}\pageGlobalSettings, hit enter)

@mossy gull

[mossy gull]

I know, the button is checked in that menu, but the lock button is still absent 😅

[sonic meadow]

I actually had to check what was in that menu on my pc, i never use it 😆

[runic thorn]

Does this really mean that installing a chat bot into the AMD software would take 25 GB of space?

As if I needed more reasons not to do it. :P

[cinder lagoon]

Aww hell naw

Tho it checks out with AI language models

[cerulean helm]

Newest update for my Nabu Casa Home Assistant Voice PE ( Smart voice control) has about 75% functionality of a Google hub or Amazon echo now for local control and such. Enough that I can unplug my smart speakers and use my locally hosted one. The speed at which this thing is being updated is pretty amazing.

[jade scaffold]

That's pretty cool

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXoUsdSAnA

NVidia becomeing AMD real quick

[mossy gull]

And AMD is becoming Nvidia

My brother said since Nvidia stopped supporting PhysX, some games have felt like a true pain.

[cerulean helm]

Whoops, made the error of not reading all the documentation on an update for my local pihole before updating. Ended up breaking my Home Assistant integration and broke my IPv6 setup. Ended up getting it all fixed but by that time it was 3:30am... And I had to get up for work at 7am for a 10 hour shift.

Ooh, its finally launched. A rack mount server and humidity rack sensor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frij8gvGizg

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/qNNOLFLzTNA?si=AaKRRjm1ZIpU9HlQ

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's a really cool monitor

[timber barn]

What a coincidence

[jade scaffold]

@sonic meadow

if you look at the 1st picture of the back there appears to be 6 contacts on the back of the fan along side the ribbon cable connetor you think im right in assuming that they are the same thing as the ribon cables in pad form

Better view of them

[jade scaffold]

kinda what i think these will do

might not be 100% right

i can confirm ground easy enough but the rest might be a lil harder

[mossy gull]

So, I just found a weird behaviour.
My brother's 9800X3D hits 80c during gaming with a Corsair Titan RX 360 rad.
My 285k barely reaches 70c with a BeQuiet PureLoop 280 from almost 2 years ago

We both have PTM7950, I don't know if Intel suddenly became way more efficient or AMD is just terrible to cool, but it was a weird observation.

[surreal moss]

AMD has always been terrible to cool

[jade scaffold]

yea

aditionally amds heatspreader is mega shit

its way too thick

intels is thinner and has greater surface area

[mossy gull]

Ah, that's why Direct Die cooling is so much better on AMD

[jade scaffold]

yea on intel Direct die will still drop like 15-20C but on amd you can drop as much as 30C

which is ALOT

[mossy gull]

I just feel it to be too risky

And you need adjusted mounting for your cooler

[jade scaffold]

you should be running adjusted mounting anyway

coolers on AMD should allways be offset

[mossy gull]

But there's not always offset mounting for every cooler😅

[jade scaffold]

any good cooler comes with ofset mounting

if it doesnt

its a shit cooler

simple as

theres no heat generated in the center of AMDs CPUs

none atall

why would i want a cooler cooling a colder spot rather than right above the hotter parts

[mossy gull]

I don't understand why it ain't centered in the 1st place 😐

[jade scaffold]

because you have 3 chips on an AMD CPU

[mossy gull]

Wait wait wait, that does mean Corsair coolers are shite and overpriced 🤣

They don't come with offset mounting

[jade scaffold]

i swear they are more expensive than everyone elses lmao

[mossy gull]

Tell that to Hyte, which is more expensive 😅

[jade scaffold]

the artic liquid freezer 3 fucking outperforms them even without offset mountint never mind with ofset mounting

and its like a £60 cooler

and it comes with offset cooling which gives you another few degrees of cooling

[mossy gull]

I mean if even a cheap BeQuiet 280mm AiO cools better than Corsair's 360 rad and cost 1/3th it should say enough.

[mossy gull]

Or they should give the AiOs a bigger cold plate, 🤔

[jade scaffold]

thats not the issue

when you build a water cooler you have to inject the liquid at high pressure onto the cold plate fins

the way they do this makes the centre of the cooler the coldest spot

all coolers air or liquid are designed with the expectation that the hottest part of the chip is in the centre of the chip

AMDs isnt

amds 3 chips in their CPUs arent exactly centred

which means for ALLL coolers in existance they are slightly out of the ideal cooling zone of the cooler

so most good coolers come with an Offset mount for AMD chips and now for intel chips as intels compute die is no longer centred perfectly

[mossy gull]

140% VRAM usage.........
https://youtu.be/e4GCxObZrZE

[sacred seal]

Which goes to show that these measurements are practically worthless

[jade scaffold]

I do agree though that 7gh of vram is unacceptable

Unless on like a 5050

I think 8gb on a 50 class card would be perfectly fine

Really do wish we got a good 50 class cards but we just don't

[mossy gull]

3050🙃

[jade scaffold]

If the 3050 was cheaper it would have been a good deal

If Nvidia did say a 5050 with 1080ti performance that would have been really nice for between 150 and 200

Would be a genuine lovely budget card

Really want someone to make a top tier hand held chip

Because there just isn't a good one ATM

Gimme 4x E/C cores and like 4-8 GPU cores and a tdp of like 7w

Could actually make a true handheld with useable battery life then

[sonic meadow]

the 4060 is a 50 class card 😦

errr, 5060

both really

[jade scaffold]

Nah there's a die below them

They are 106s they could make a card with a 107 in it

[sonic meadow]

would you believe that there used to be products below the 50 cards?

[timber barn]

You can buy them from TG

[mossy gull]

I know, but not every cooler has an offset bracket

[timber barn]

https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/produkte/delidded-cpus/

[mossy gull]

I stay with Intel for now, they have more cores for the money

[timber barn]

What worries me with that: how ez is it to dmg the die?

Heatspreader looks more robust

[mossy gull]

That's why desktop CPUs have them.

[mossy gull]

Eh, that ain't the problem for me, laptops are always direct-die.
But the lack of mounting is for me an issue.

[jade scaffold]

yes but the 50 cards were 107 gpus

not 106s

well the 1050 and 1050ti were as is the 3050

[tidal birch]

This is insane

[timber barn]

Imagine telling this a time traveler

Dunno why ppl bought that but now here we are

When I bought my 1080TI I thought 800€ is insane

[cerulean helm]

Makes me very glad that I managed to get an open box 4080 super last month for a reasonable* price. Especially since I live in the U.S.

[runic thorn]

Same for my 2080. This all made the 9070 XT feel cheap. Which it obviously isn't.

[pseudo heath]

Help pls

[sacred seal]

I assume you don't have internet.

First thing to try is restarting your PC

[pseudo heath]

Ok

I got it

[jade scaffold]

I think I'm going to get an NVidia Spark when they come out

[jade scaffold]

Zen6 looking like it might be built on 2N that's gonna be interesting

Gonna hold out for a 10800x3D

[sonic meadow]

Or a name reset

[jade scaffold]

That's too

Can't wait for it to be the Ryzen AI 485+ X3D

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/Bu8I8fNK9pE?si=Ys-26A8qDrgHn3l2

[tidal birch]

Has anyone been able to find ANY RTX 5080 FEs in the US. I feel like my local Best Buy has just never gotten a restock on them.

[mossy gull]

Burn baby burn.
Be aware, they have the bad power plug

[tidal birch]

All of them do. I bought a clamp meter to assure proper connection.

[mossy gull]

The problem is more that if 1 cable has too much resistance it goes over the others, like DerBauer once explained 😅
Or you need to mod it that you have a 2-pin cable instead of 12-pin like Linus🤣

But yeah, they're hard to get everywhere, nearly nowhere you can normally get Nvidia GPUs

[tidal birch]

Yes, a power clamp can tell me if one or more wires are improperly contacting the gpu. I got it because of DerBauer. The cable issue is a seating problem so if I can assure I connected it properly and see the wires balanced then it should be fine. Just to be sure I will be checking the wires again after a week in my PC.

[mossy gull]

It's also a problem that the 12-pin is basically a 2-pin at the base😅

[tidal birch]

They are fairly abundant now the issue is price. I wanted to get an FE edition since its the cheapest while assuring a standard quality. However, I will likely be going after an Gigabyte card for around $1300 at my local microcenter. The problem is that I can't reserve it, they don't inform when they restock and its a ~2 hours drive away.

[tidal birch]

Yes that is fundamentally the cause of the problem. However, the cable burning is two problems with one effect.

1. No power balancing (the 12 pins going into 2)
2. Improper seating of the connector/faulty wire connections in the connector itself

[mossy gull]

People have been questioning Nvidia's quality control, you know, burning connectors and missing ROPs.

[mossy gull]

Sapphire (AMD) fixed the burning issue on 12-pin, they placed the 12-pin behind the cooler heatsink 😅

[tidal birch]

Yes that is fundamental to their lineup. I just prefer Nvidia over companies like Zotac or PNY which I have heard more issues about (About their company itself not just this product).

[mossy gull]

PNY is good with workstation cards, and Zotac, well they dropped in quality past few years

[tidal birch]

I would love to go AMD, I really do. However, I am looking to upgrade with a significant jump from my 3070 Ti. A Radeon 9070 XT can give me about a 50% performance uplift. A RTX 5080 on the other hand can provide a 100% performance uplift.

Its not the most economical purchase but without a Radeon 9080 or similar higher end card my only choice is Nvidia for my end goal which is performance.

[mossy gull]

Depends on the game though, and what you prefer.

My brother has been doing tons of research and the 9070XT seems to have a much better 1% lows than the 5070Ti.

Also the 9000 series will be the last RDNA cards, so next generation they probably will be UDNA 😅

Be aware of 5080 benchmarks, just because it has 3 fps framegen doesn't mean every game will have it

[tidal birch]

I am not trying to get a 5070 Ti though. The 5080 is just indisputably stronger (not accounting frame gen on either product because I don't intend to use it) and that's why I want it. The statistics I got where from UserBenchmark which I don't believe uses framegen.

I may get the next gen Radeon cards assuming I can't get a RTX 5080 card at a reasonable price within that period. Looking at the current US Tariffs that very likely appears to be the case.

[mossy gull]

I personally would wait another few months, I personally am waiting a year till I get the 5090

[tidal birch]

Seeing the prices I don't think I could ever get a 5090. Although I would love the memory since I play VR its just so expensive. I like the system I got going on which is buying a GPU and skipping a generation. The 70 Ti class did pretty well with that, thus a 80 class card should be able to do that and more if need be.

[mossy gull]

Lets say it's useful for my job, although I can fill it in less than 5 seconds as we deal with 500mp pictures and live simulations😅

[tidal birch]

Ah, well if memory is your problem then I would recommend you aim to get a Mac Studio since those MFs can have a maximum of 512GB of unified memory. However, I don't know your exact work so you may need the unadulterated power of a 5090.

[mossy gull]

I don't have 20K for a PC😐

[tidal birch]

Real.

[mossy gull]

2500.- or 20K is a big difference sadly enough 🤣

[tidal birch]

Yeah, however there is a reason it exists. Business's will see the price tag but then see their possible profit and justify the cost.

[mossy gull]

It's either I lose 500.- a month to rent a workstation from work, or I spend that on a GPU😅

[tidal birch]

They make you rent a workstation from your work so you can do that work?! Damn, thats downright criminal.

[mossy gull]

Yes, because not everyone can afford a 25K costing workstation 😅

[tidal birch]

Well I'd imagine the business would be the one to purchase, acquire and supply a suitable workstation. Unless you are working freelance/self-employed which from the sounds of it you are.

[mossy gull]

We get 1 from the company, usually an older unused workstation.

Freelancers don't get the opertunity

[tidal birch]

Are you a freelancer/self-employed?

[mossy gull]

I just work for the company

[tidal birch]

Damn, if you where a freelance worker or self-employed it theoretically could be possible to write off the $500 expense as a business expense. You can't do that as an employee though.

US Tax Rules*

[mossy gull]

Not here in the Netherlands I believe.
But we had problems with freelancers stealing these expensive systems

[cerulean helm]

Well, Synology just killed off its non business user base. Moving forward they require their own hard drives for their NAS. You are locked into their hardware. Thats definitely a move in the wrong direction. I'm glad I moved away from my old 2 bay Synology NAS (it also broke last summer).

[sonic meadow]

I wonder how long until the shucking community comes up with a workaround

[cerulean helm]

Unsure. Synology hasn't said how they are locking down their hardware yet.

Also, just ran across this. A rack mounted beer fridge. And I want it, lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDphB9_THUA

[sonic meadow]

Hehehe

Of course it's craft computing

I wish I could stand his intonation/delivery, his content can be pretty neat

[cinder lagoon]

Kinda on topic actually:
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/new-pcie-adapters-turn-your-x16-slot-into-a-clown-car-of-gpu-and-ssd-connectivity

New Compelling PCIe 4 and 5 switches/bifurcation cards with Broadcom Chipsets.

[sonic meadow]

and how many of your kidneys do I need to sell to afford one?

oh, looks like its just bifurcation really. 1 x16 in to 4 x4

though may still offer 4 x4 when in a x8 or x4 slot

[jade scaffold]

Are they reasonably priced? Broadcom chipsets are usually way overpriced

[jade scaffold]

Yea which most mobos/CPUs can't actually do on their own anyway

[sonic meadow]

sure, but its nowhere near as interesting as a full switch imo

its not un-interesting mind you

[cinder lagoon]

You can already run the syno OS on custom hardware (I think in some form of emulation) soo...
Chances are good.
If you know a little around Linux your probably able to figure out how they locked it and remove the 🔒

[cinder lagoon]

Even with a pcie switch, it seems your chances of success vary

[cinder lagoon]

Given that it's aimed mostly at server hardware (which usually has better bifurcation capabilities) it's probably used in combination with a full switch, or rather behind a switch so instead of 16 GPUs you could chuck in 64 if they don't particularly need high bandwidth.
Ai mostly needs memory not bandwidth, right?

[jade scaffold]

Depends what you are doing

Certain workloads need massive bandwidth

It's one of the gripes people have about the NVidia Spark and AMD AI 395+ sure for a CPU they have alot of memory bandwidth and a massive vram size but compared to a gpu their memory bandwidth is really low only 250-275GB/s

[cinder lagoon]

I see... memory bandwidth matters for Ai, not GPU bandwidth, right?

[jade scaffold]

No GPU bandwidth too

[cinder lagoon]

For training or for running?

[jade scaffold]

You wouldn't put 8TB/s memory on a GPU if you didn't need it

[jade scaffold]

I wanna say inferencing is where it matters

Honestly I haven't done ai stuffs in a hot minute

[cinder lagoon]

Once it's on the accelerator card memory, the only bandwidth that matters is between it and and the accelerator itself, ain't it?

[cinder lagoon]

That meaaannns... Uuhhhh.... The running part iirc?

[jade scaffold]

I am planning on getting both a framework 395+ mobo and the Nvidia spark

I'll use the spark for restarting my ai hobby and the 395 has the most important task of all hosting the SE Christmas event world

[jade scaffold]

Yea

[cinder lagoon]

Thx, have bad internet so can't look stuff up myself 😅

[jade scaffold]

That SE event gets silly intensive my goofy little server struggles these days but SE is really memory bandwidth intensive in my experience so I didn't want to replace the server chip with something else if it was gonna bottleneck on mem bandwidth

Also training is also impacted by mem bandwidth GPUs are so fast at doing ai without silly bandwidth they bottleneck on it

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh, didn't know that.
That explains why last time I played TPS tanked even tho CPU (even single core) was not particularly maxed out)

[jade scaffold]

Thus 8TB/s memory bandwidth on B200s and the near 2TB/s nvlink they use between gpus

[cinder lagoon]

Not much traffic between host and card tho? Just on-board?

[jade scaffold]

Nvlink between gpus is now so fast you can make like 72 GPUs act as a single instance so you don't have to build your code especially to take advantage of multiple gpus because as far as the os is concerned there's just 1 fat GPU kinda insane

[jade scaffold]

How do you mean sorry

[cinder lagoon]

I mean the PCIe interface stays pretty silent and most of the traffic is on the accelerator card itself

[jade scaffold]

Nope

[cinder lagoon]

Also: this seems a good choice.
https://search.app/UecpL

Shutting down the CVE program would absolutely KILL cyber security in all areas imo.
I think that program should become a publicly funded international organization... For.. non political reasons of course

[jade scaffold]

CPUs are important to ai too they tend to pass alot of data between them iirc

[cinder lagoon]

I really should research that area more.
Maybe I can get my work (I'm still in training technically) to send me to a conference or something so we can invest in private AI infrastructure.

[jade scaffold]

I used to be super into ai not sure what happened tbh

Like I said I'm getting a spark and I'm going to get back into doing ai again

[cinder lagoon]

If only the market leader models could be run privately

[jade scaffold]

I mean they kinda can

Llama can be you can run the older gpt models

[cinder lagoon]

Talking about stuff like gpt 3o-mini high and such.

[jade scaffold]

But imo llms aren't the cool part of ai

[cinder lagoon]

Like they are absolutely great for coding assistance.
Really accelerates the prototype phase

[jade scaffold]

I like ais application in automation image processing the likes

[cinder lagoon]

Kinda scared of the image and video generators.
Not because they look scary or anything but for what they could be used

[jade scaffold]

My ultimate dream is an AI that can play a complex game something like Sins of a Solar Empire 2

[jade scaffold]

I meant more so for fault recognition for QA and upscaling

Predicting the weather super accurately with AI too is super awesome

[cinder lagoon]

Think nVidea is currently the most proficient in that area.

[jade scaffold]

The Earth 2 thing nvidias working on for that is awesome

[jade scaffold]

Don't think anyone has an ai that can play a game tbh

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh yeah totally right, I would LOVE accurate weather predictions 😂

Also upscaling would be cool

[jade scaffold]

Nvidia are the best at upscaling too tbh

[cinder lagoon]

Not quite but I'd guess "understanding" the game as in "being able to give tips about a game" is a pretty huge part about actually "playing" the gamd

[cinder lagoon]

Realtime sure.
Not-realtime is more interesting for me tho

[jade scaffold]

Ray reconstruction is super cool too sad AMD don't have an alternative to that

[cinder lagoon]

About to take off.
Anyone wanna know stuff about a 737-8 that I can find out from the cabin?

Cya in like 3 hours lol

[jade scaffold]

Cya

[cinder lagoon]

GREAT NEWS:

finally a good hardware monitoring and stress testing/Benchmarking program for Linux!
https://ocbase.com/news/occt-linux-official-release

[cerulean helm]

Define reasonably priced.

As far as the 1528D version, thats $700, and the gen 5 1628A is $1500.
https://www.highpoint-tech.com/product-page/rocket-1528d

[cinder lagoon]

Daaang thats actually not that bad

[jade scaffold]

Just buy a second hand 9471F it can do bifurcation as is

[cinder lagoon]

Thats not the point tho

[jade scaffold]

Zen 5 threadripper confirmed

Really hoping the 16 core one isn't OEM only and is a 4x4 config using GMI Wide

[cerulean helm]

Well that was interesting. Came home to my Ollama PC gpu fans ramping to 100% every 10 seconds or so. Remote into the deskop and see that gpu 0 is at 94% utilization and sitting at 87c. Ollama only should be pulling gpu when queries are made via Home Assistant for my voice assistant.

In trying to set the gpu fans to a static speed I realized I couldn't in the Linux Nvidia Settings gui. So, did a bunch of updates as the PC has been running for nearly 70 days and rebooted the system. Now the gpu temp is fine and utilization is fine. Not sure what was going on.

[tender plank]

https://youtu.be/H_O5JtBqODA

[cinder lagoon]

fuck

[mossy gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WR8rm5JYfZ0

[timber barn]

holy moly https://virpil-controls.eu/cdt-aeromax-r-flightstick.html

190€...

[surreal moss]

Left one is in progress they said

[timber barn]

the price is insane...

why on earth would you go for another stick now in that segment.... 😄

[surreal moss]

VKB is still cheaper

At least in USD

Granted access to those in the US is now more dubious

[mossy gull]

I saw my 9070XT jump to 400w today for a few seconds 😐

[timber barn]

what CPU you use with that?

[mossy gull]

245K 😃

I also tested in SC and got a low fps of 80 in New Babbage

[timber barn]

hmm, I was wondering if I should go for the 9070XT now with maybe the 9800X3D

[mossy gull]

The 9070XT is a really good card, although my experience is only with the Sapphire Nitro+ 9070XT

[cerulean helm]

3 hours. Holy shit GN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W_mSOS1Qts

[sonic meadow]

Steve's gonna Steve

[tidal birch]

https://www.techspot.com/news/107652-nvidia-rtx-5000-cards-show-pcb-hotspots-threaten.html

[balmy flicker]

where would be a good place to look for 20amp on off on toggle switches I can only find 15amp ones in the auto sector

[cerulean helm]

@surreal moss Got my Jet KVM and setup took like 2 minutes. Simple easy, quick. Immediantly was able to access remotely.

I do have a gripe however. The mouse is not synced between whatever window you have open remotely and the actual mouse you are using. JetKVM screen mouse sits just to the left of my actual mouse cursor. Thats kinda annoying. I do need to do a software update so maybe that and messing with settings will help.

Big plus, no screen tearing at all scrolling on webpages or open windows like RustDesk suffers from. All in all, not bad for $69.

[cerulean helm]

Okay, can just enable hide mouse and use the KVM mouse cursor which works fine. Almost no lag either.

[cerulean helm]

Well, after messing around a bit with the Jet KVM. For $69 its pretty dang fantastic. Downside, no audio support yet. Hopefully thats in the works.

[surreal moss]

That’s really encouraging!

[tender plank]

Obviously they should do Doom next if someone hasn't done so already.

[mossy gull]

That's more CPU heavy

[cerulean helm]

So, I used a PTM pad on my gpu water block, and temps have been okay. I expected maybe a couple degrees warmer than say kryonaught. But I never benched the card on air with an OC, only stock.

Im running furmark for just over 15 minutes with the rad fans at 100% (way to loud for normal use) to see what my cooling is capable of. Edge temp is 68c-69c and stabalized. Hot spot is 81c-82c. The card is a Asus Tuf OC 4080 and my OC is +250 on the core and +1500 on the memory.

With the fans at a more reasonable decibel the edge temp hits 71c and the hotspot hits 85c.

[mossy gull]

PTM7950 is better than any thermal paste and slightly worse than liquid metal

[mossy gull]

Damn, Nvidia has a really poor start this year.

• 12VHPWR catching fire again
• Missing ROPs
• Lack of availability
• DisplayPort 2.0+ problems
• Driver problems
• 8GB Graphics Cards again

[cinder lagoon]

so what tipped you?
not like that was pretty clear the second they went into stores haha

also I'd rather call that "horrendous" instead of "really poor" xD

[mossy gull]

Today?

• Rumour: AMD might cancel their 9060 8GB and sells the 16GB variant for the price of the of the 8GB, but Nvidia keeps selling their 5060 with 8GB.
• Fact: Was watching a video about LG's 5K2K display and they said the 50 series can't use the panel with DP2.0 because of probably a software bug.
• Problem: Being forced to DDU and reinstall drivers on my brother's PC for the 3th time in less than a month due to game problems caused by Nvidia drivers.

It just reminded me of all the problems Nvidia has these days.

Oh and 1 of the people I sometimes chat with said "It looks like Nvidia's quality control and software development teams have gone to AMD and Intel"

[cinder lagoon]

lmao that checks out xD

[mossy gull]

The fact the list keeps growing is concerning

Like I am not their biggest fan, but this is not what I want for people who buy their GPUs.

[jade scaffold]

yea ive had a couple of driver issues in a couple of games

namely lords of the fallen

[cerulean helm]

Absolutely cooking my cpu with a raycasting program for my Skyrim mod list. 13700k just casually sitting at 200-232w sustained. Watching the package temp closely as its hitting 95c.

Hasn't downclocked yet, so no throttling for now. But man, its close.

[tender plank]

https://youtu.be/HsIk_mMrt2w

[surreal moss]

You lucked TF out in getting that JetKVM. Shipments to the US were just stopped

[cinder lagoon]

Guys is that a memory issue or something else?

PC keeps hanging and immediately restarting while operating Discord with and without any games running.

Reinstalled graphics driver (no DDU), ran usual windows error checking tools

second crash is same same with different adresses

Now disabled Discords hardware accelerations

[mossy gull]

What I have noticed is by manually OC your RAM instead of using XMP or EXPO for some weird reason solves the problem for me

[cinder lagoon]

Wait you have that too?

[mossy gull]

On 2 different systems, 1 AMD and 1 Intel

Although I did DDU and it didn't solve anything

[cinder lagoon]

I don't have a great memory config, got #1 & #2 with Kingston, #3 and #4 with Corsair

[mossy gull]

So I went to my RAM, manually OC instead of EXPO or XMP and it solved it for me.

[cinder lagoon]

It has worked for the better part of a decade now I think

[mossy gull]

Why not 1 & 3 Kingston and 2 & 4 Corsair?

[cinder lagoon]

For some reason that would not let me pick the XMP from the slower one iirc

[mossy gull]

Weird

[mossy gull]

I think @jade scaffold knows more about RAM than I do, I am just a noob in that regard.

[cinder lagoon]

If it would be a memory issue it should bluescreen tho, shouldn't it? Like with value out of expected range or something

This just hangs and restarts lol

[mossy gull]

Doesn't have to, unstable memory can be stable enough to prevent BSOD but not stable enough for programs.

[jade scaffold]

wha happen

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh hey

[mossy gull]

Sounds like an issue my brother had with Fortnite + Discord😅
Manual RAM OC fixed that for him as well weirdly enough '

[jade scaffold]

oh lord you've got miss mached dies

oh christ

but yea it could be a memory issue try testing each ram stick one at a time by itself

[mossy gull]

I seen worse, at least these are 2 brands of 2 sets, and not 4 completely different sticks 🤣

[jade scaffold]

if its not the ram sticks

then maybe test each slot individually

[cinder lagoon]

I feel like this scene from madagaskar lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA8Rt4MlFe0

[mossy gull]

I seen broken RAM causing weird ass crashes😅

[cinder lagoon]

It's been stable for like 5 years, just started havin issues recently.
Date might coincide with a chipset and graphics driver update I done

[jade scaffold]

ram dies can degrade

[cinder lagoon]

Been updates since then for both

[cinder lagoon]

So your guys' guesses is RAM issue?

[jade scaffold]

yea you could try a totally fresh windows install

its either drivers or ram by the sounds of it

windows doesnt take long to install

if you have a spare drive anywhere just toss it on that see if that works without catching fire

[mossy gull]

But all the other programs do

[jade scaffold]

then you'll know if its drivers

[cinder lagoon]

Yes, it takes ages for me to set up everything again (and fiddle with the stupid lincensed programs xF)

[jade scaffold]

honestly you can just throw windows ENTIERLY onto a USB drive

and just like test to see if it still crashes

[cinder lagoon]

True that

[jade scaffold]

if it still crashes

Hardware testing time if not then maybe you just have to DDU the driver

[cinder lagoon]

Also have some space still for dual boot I guess

[mossy gull]

Why so many partitions?

[cinder lagoon]

Sounds like a good plan and second opinion, thanks for the quick help guys!

don't ask

[mossy gull]

Why?

There's something called a "folder", you don't need different partitions for every program

[cinder lagoon]

Jk, first three are: EFI, Win, Win Recovery
then 300GB Ubuntu
100GB unallocated for drive health
16GB for (OneDrive) HDD Cache
64GB for SteamLibrary HDD Cache

Most on disk 0 and 1 is just windows dynamic partitions not being able to connect (or be moved around well, for that matter)

[mossy gull]

I have 256GB as Virtual Memory on my main drive because I know Windows will never use that much

[cinder lagoon]

Cyan is raid0, purple is connected storage

[mossy gull]

Still, that's a lot of partitions

But that aside, if you have a spare empty drive, maybe use that to test a freshly installed Windows.

[cinder lagoon]

Right, I recently came into two 512GB gen4 samsung drives from work that I wanted to move my games to

Where's that m.2 to pcie adapter tho 🤔

[mossy gull]

In your PC already in use

[cinder lagoon]

Actually not, bought three... one for my Pi, two as a spare for such occasions

It's a "dumb" adapter

.... crap

[cinder lagoon]

Well thanks again guys, I think I'm gonna do that (once the crashes get too annoying haha ^^

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, I saw the kickstater email about that just before I left work today. Glad I ordered back in February. Ended up ordering a lot of tech stuff in January and February for this very reason.

[surreal moss]

I was planning in ordering mine this weekend after I got payed. Oh well

[cinder lagoon]

great ish news!
The crashing persists even when not using any Discord hardware acceleration xF

[mossy gull]

So it's not Discord

[cinder lagoon]

yeah

[mossy gull]

Although Discord is just an unstable mess

[cinder lagoon]

kinda hoped because I'm using BetterDiscord

[jade scaffold]

got a 5090 on the way

its the Palit 5090

its ugly as fuck but its practically MSRP

so anyway gonna water cool it because duh

that'll make it less fugly and quieter and ill be able to overclock it better

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/S8XMRnPc6_w?si=9m-4ra8I14pTOzBb

[cinder lagoon]

hell yeah 💯

[jade scaffold]

Gonna put a thermal pad on that connector lmao

[jade scaffold]

Do they explode like their power supplies

[sonic meadow]

Water cool it

[mossy gull]

I never seen BeQuiet PSUs explode?

[sonic meadow]

They were quiet about it

[jade scaffold]

The dark power 13s explode

They look well built turns out they have a huge design flaw

That causes them to blow up

[jade scaffold]

Worth noting though when they do explode they take nothing with them

Thankfully

[mossy gull]

Wait, they did?
I am happy I have the 12M then😅

[mossy gull]

Unlike Gigabyte

[jade scaffold]

Yep my one blew up and that's how I found out they actually very commonly explode

And it's like a high tier PSU on the PSU tier list

[mossy gull]

That's really really weird🤔

[jade scaffold]

Yea I think it's something Todo with it's OC mode though

[mossy gull]

Could be, the 12M doesn't have that, ans it's the only series I ever used from BeQuiet

[jade scaffold]

So the OC mode drops a big bus bar across all the 12V rails of the PSU this allows you to pull 1600w continuous or 3200w briefly out of a single connector in theory this is great for overclocking where power spikes on say a 5090 thats super heavily OCed may hit over 1200w and is the entire reason I bought the PSU

I think that bar may sometimes not make great connection and thus kaboom

Yea the 12s don't have that and seem to have no issues

The 13s though id advise people to steer well clear of

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wusyYscQi0o

[mossy gull]

Does this mean the Ultra CPUs are MCM by design?

[jade scaffold]

what does that even mean

but yes they are multi chip parts

7 dies 5 active 2 filler

[mossy gull]

Quite interesting

[sonic meadow]

trying to use an HP blue tip psu (19.5V 3.3A, 65w) on my dell laptop (19.5v, 65w requested) but it a: doesnt charge (doesnt discharge either), but b: makes my laptop run like absolute shit.
any thoughts or pointers on how to get the laptop to not actively reject the psu?

(its not my only psu, I acquired it free as a second psu assuming it would work because plug and voltage matched)

[mossy gull]

Dell and HP and their power bricks kinda communicate together and thats why an HP brick won't work on a Dell, because they can't "communicate"

[sonic meadow]

Of that I am aware

Doesn't mean people haven't made workarounds

[mossy gull]

You have those tips that make it work😅
But it's really stupid they do it like this.

[sonic meadow]

"those tips"?

they already have the same tip, thats the thing 😛

well HP's barrel is longer, but thats not important

the important bit here is it fucking performance when I plug in the HP charger

it doesnt need to do that, but it does

[mossy gull]

I mean there's those tips you place over the tip, usually they're 90° ones, and they make it possible to use an "uncertified" brick.

[sonic meadow]

Huh

[mossy gull]

It's what I did when I still used a Dell laptop and an older HP brick😅

[sonic meadow]

You mean the old fat HP?

[mossy gull]

It was an old 240w HP brick but my Dell had an 180w.
So I bought a 90° tip and the HP brick worked on my Dell😅

[sonic meadow]

Was meaning the plug. I think I have a 150w hp brick that uses an entirely different plug. Was for a docking station, ended up using it on a zotac atom+ion board

[cinder lagoon]

Wait with filler dies you mean basically so the package stays rectangular but does literally nothing or defective?

[cinder lagoon]

They even do this on USB C.
If your device isn't dell you won't get any charging from the 120W USB-C PSU

[sonic meadow]

mine doesnt even have usb-c, so thats not an option anyway 😦

[jade scaffold]

Yea they do nothing but provide structure to the package

[cinder lagoon]

Do we know if it affects cooling in any way?

[mossy gull]

For me that worked with a USB-C extention cable meant for charging up to 240w😅

[cinder lagoon]

As far as I could tell, nothing came out when plugging a device of USB PD standard in.

hmm thats weird

[jade scaffold]

No it won't

Atleast not in any way that matters

It's not on top of any active silicon or anything it's just there for structure

[cinder lagoon]

Aight sounds good

[mossy gull]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/s/w8Hcq7AGX0

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmm... not that great for a RAID0 of 2 Recent samsung drives...

I should definitely find a way to get both into a gen3 slot haha

[cinder lagoon]

How tf do I get my GPU running x16 and my three M.2s under one roof then while still being able to have my M.2 WiFi card installed!? XF

Hang on this might need a thread

https://discord.com/channels/222052888531173386/1369002870384623707

[mossy gull]

https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-8-gb-test.92401/seite-2#abschnitt_pcie_40_vs_pcie_50

[sacred seal]

Those numbers are misleading, its an average fps of 27 games with a mix of setting.

Looking through the article more then half of the games performed identically

And then some games just shit the bed with only 8gb of vram. Without knowing what settings they were running though, its difficult to gauge if the settings are reasonable

This is kinda cool, it lets you choose which games you want to see averaged in the graph. As you can see, most of the performance is lost in just 6 games, though those are the most modern of the games

You got games like veilgaurd pulling down the averages by fairly sinificant margins

Now for a card in the 400$ price point, I agree it should probably be a 16gb card. 50$ price savings is not huge at that price point. Once you get to the 300$ or 200$ price point, those 50$ savings are more relevant

[sonic meadow]

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics

[mossy gull]

Failguard

It's still important to see that 8GB is becoming obsolete unless you play at 1080p

[sacred seal]

Except that's not what the data you have shows. If anything its almost the opposite. The majority of games tested run fine with only 8gb of vram, and we don't know the settings for the games that have issues. The way these tests were done in general seems quite odd, I find it very hard to believe that almost every game tested hit near 60fps on the 16gb card naturally so I don't entirely trust thier findings. Other resources I have found only show up to a 20% loss in performance (Though granted there are not a lot of them and they are also not high quality)

Like GN has FFXIV with 104fps at 1440p maximum, this only has it at 62 so IDK what is going on there

I would also note that the 5060ti 16gb is a 1080p max/1440p low-medium type card. It does remarkably well at 1440p, but most of the benchmarks I am looking at don't show it punching much over 60 at 1440p high. As games get more demanding you will be forced to turn down the res regardless of whether you got the 8gb or 16gb

We are getting close to the point where its an actual issue, but we have not crossed that bridge yet.

I would still like to see more benchmarks though, there are remarkably few

[jade scaffold]

Frankly I'm generally disappointed with the 60 class cards

They haven't made much of any improvement over the past 3 gens

Not compared to 70 class cards which now can shred 4k gaming

[mossy gull]

I have the feeling they're most likely GPUs that simply don't make the cut

[jade scaffold]

They aren't tho

They are their own design

They arent failed 80 class dies like the 5070ti is

GB206 = 5060/5060ti
GB205 = 5070
GB203 = 5070ti/5080
GB202 = 5090

Completely separate core designs to the higher end cards

I do hope for a 5050 which with 8gb would be great if it could hit gtx 1080 performance

[sonic meadow]

display adaptor with modern compute, dlss/etc, video enc/dec and enough chooch and ram for lite gaming (as you would expect from a xx50 card)

and it would be insanely efficient too

[sacred seal]

I think that would be more of a 5030. The 50 series were always proper gaming cards

[jade scaffold]

For sure easy 1080p medium settings on a 5050 at like 70w

50 series were entry-level gaming

30 were beefy office pc GPUs

[sonic meadow]

while true, the 5060 is basically the 50 card of the lineup, same with all the others being functionally a slot lower than their name

[jade scaffold]

Not really

The 60 class cards are pretty pricey

[sonic meadow]

was meaning capability not price

[jade scaffold]

$300 is not what I would call entry level

[sonic meadow]

and where they fit in the spec ranges of the lineup

[sacred seal]

I can see that, I remember when the 970 was what, 350?

[jade scaffold]

The thing is the performance of the cards in terms of position hasn't dropped

The top end card just kinda flew the fuck away

The 4090 being 1.8x ahead of the 3090 is insane and the 5090 being an additional 30% faster than even that has made the gap between the halo product and the consumer products enormous

[sonic meadow]

tbh it feels like they should have brought back the "titan" moniker, and given that the halo specs, and then had a 90 that was a reasonable level above the 80

[jade scaffold]

The 5090is some 2.35x faster than the 5070 which is a frankly wild amount of performance

[jade scaffold]

Yea

[sacred seal]

Used to be
10-display adapter
30-slightly more beefy
50-Entry
60-Mainstream 1080p
70-1440
80-4k
80ti/90/titan- Prosumer

[jade scaffold]

I liked the titan branding

Titan Blackwell is also a fucking awesome GPU name

[sonic meadow]

the first one was a proper titan, especially with its ungimped fp

[jade scaffold]

Yea same up untill 30 series

[sonic meadow]

which was part of why all the ones after had the usual gimped consumer fp

cant have them taking sales away from the pro cards

[jade scaffold]

Nah the titans up until the 3090 had vastly superior FP performance to the typical cards

[sacred seal]

The first titan was a response to the monster dual gpu card AMD put out if I am remembering correctly

[jade scaffold]

Also I was hoping consumer Blackwell and data centre Blackwell would be more similar but they aren't

[sacred seal]

Last time AMD had the fastest card on the market

[jade scaffold]

The data centre ones are built on a better node and have some insane multi die tech

We could have had a card with 32000+ CUDA cores

[sonic meadow]

nope. only the 700 series titans had the ungimped fp64. heck the titan x had worse fp64 (and fp32) performance than the 1080ti

[jade scaffold]

Yea because fp 32 and 64 aren't what were gimped

It was fp 16 that got gimped

[sonic meadow]

fp32 wasnt, fp64 was

highlighted is the 780ti, below it is the 3 700 series titans

[mossy gull]

I mean, you can give them a different name and still use a chip that was originally another 1.

[jade scaffold]

Titan xp has near identical FP 64 to the quadro p6000

[jade scaffold]

No

Fuck me

They are different chips

They are not the same

They are literally different designs

They are different shapes

[mossy gull]

We're in 2025, I doubt they haven't found a way to cut a processor in half and still make it work

[jade scaffold]

Also back to this the 1080ti also gets close but the 1080ti has a slightly less powerful core all be it way faster memory

[jade scaffold]

Oh my god

THEY
ARE
NOT
THE
SAME
DESIGN

THERE IS NO WAY YOU CUT A 5090 DIE THAT IT ENDS UP MATCHING A 5080 DIE OR 5070 ONE OR 5060 ONE

[sonic meadow]

the entire point of the original titans was that they had increased fp64 performance. ungimped compared to the other consumer cards in the kepler lineup. nvidia limited it from 1/3 in the quadro/tesla down to 1/24 for the consumer cards. the titans had the ungimped 1/3

[sonic meadow]

yes, you do this at the design stage. and then fab the "halfed" design

[jade scaffold]

I feel like you might be getting it mixed round a bit the lower FP 16 8 and now 4 are what are and were always limited in the consumer cards because they are really important

[sonic meadow]

I really am not.

[jade scaffold]

FP 64 hasn't been gimped since atleast pascal

[sonic meadow]

its just been shit 😛

[sacred seal]

Well you can, and they kinda did that with at least the super cards and I think they also did it with the 1030, but you don't end up with a truly identical card

Bieng pedantic, I know

[sonic meadow]

the 5080 has less fp64 than the original titan (880 vs 1300). and the 5090 barely less than the titan black (1640 vs 1709)

oh wait. please hold, I think I might have messed up my prefixes 🤔

I did not

the original titans have greater fp64 than the most powerful consumer cards over a decade later

[jade scaffold]

Kinda

I just don't think modern gpus do fp64 anymore not how old ones do it

The rtx pro 6000 is only just beating the k6000

At fp64 both are quadros

[sonic meadow]

and the titan x/xp (1000 series) and titan rtx (2000 series) have basically the same fp16 performance as the products just below them. there isnt any extra "unlocked" performance there other than what you would expect from the extra clocks/cores

[jade scaffold]

There isn't in fp64 either past pascal

The B200 though is estimated at doing 60Tflops of fp64

I think past pascal the GPUs just lack what ever it is that lets them do fp 64 like they used to

[sonic meadow]

basically since the 900 series. kepler was the last consumer line with fat fp64

though they didnt let the consumer cards use the fat fp64

[jade scaffold]

Yea the only GPU core in pascal beating the k6000 is the GP100 the super computer die

The V100 is the last GPU to ever do fp64 properly

No other true GPU does it faster than 1:64

[sonic meadow]

turing was the last nvidia consumer range that was 1:32, and it had been there since maxwell. (which was apparently noted as being bad at it compated to kepler)

[jade scaffold]

Yea even the pro ampere Ada and Blackwell cards only do 1:64

B200 does 1:2 though totaling an estimated 60 tflops

But it's not a GPU

Literally incapable of graphics

Well outside of emulating graphics via CUDA

[sonic meadow]

30/40/50 were 1:64
9/10/16/20 were 1:32
6/700 cards were 1:24 (except the titans at 1:3)
4/500 series - 1:8
200 series - 1:8
only later Tesla cards had fp64 (it spanned 8000 through 300 series, quite a run)

[jade scaffold]

Titan V the last prosumer GPU with fp64

7.450 TFLOPs

At 1:2

[sonic meadow]

I skipped over that one since the product line had... 0 consumer products in it

[jade scaffold]

Yea

Volta was a weird generation

But the point of it was to get people programming for Nvidia GPUs

So consumer wasn't the aim and turning came out only a little later anyway

[mossy gull]

https://wccftech.com/intel-nova-lake-x3d-like-cpu-are-very-much-a-possibility/

[jade scaffold]

Nova lake is looking crazy advanced

52 CPU cores hybrid bonding silicon interposers and hybrid bonding

AMDs Zen6 is also looking to be very interesting

Silicon chip interconnects dies held closer together for improved latency 10 cores per CCD

Gonna be an interesting couple of years for CPUs I think

[mossy gull]

I am curious if they come to Desktop, if they do I have missed it.

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's what's being said we will be getting 52 cores on desktop

16P cores 32E cores and 4LPE cores

Already have silicon interposers on desktop intel chips but they aren't hybrid bonded yet maybe that'll change for nova lake

[mossy gull]

That's insane, I hope they'll be fast cores😅

[jade scaffold]

The p cores will be fast

Intel's p cores are already faster than AMDs tbh

[mossy gull]

But how fast is the question, like faster than AMD with their X3D?

I know they have much more L1 and L2 cache, but lack in L3 cache

[jade scaffold]

Nah they are faster than non x3D but loose out in games that make use of x3D

[mossy gull]

That's what I am curious about the most, how will Intel's X3D behave in games😅

[jade scaffold]

They might not have x3D

The article only says hybrid bonding will be supported by the node they use

Intel do cache very differently from AMD

But hybrid bonding could be used to attach the chiplets to the interposer

[mossy gull]

I know it ain't X3D, but it's still interesting how games would behave with Nova Lake's cache

[jade scaffold]

Which could allow for a much higher bus clock and lower latency which could improve performance rather drastically

[jade scaffold]

I mean like they might not use hybrid bonding to add cache at all

Their server CPUs I know will have additional cache on them via a method like 3D V cache

But we don't know if they'll bother on consumer platforms it may not make a difference on consumer Vs server where servers have to do fluid simulation and such

Clear water Forrest CPU 288 cores and has a 3D vertical cache though we don't know how big it is or how exactly it's constructed some have speculated the entire silicon interposer is pulling double duty as an enormous cache die and the interposer

Sadly not releasing till 2026

But technically speaking they have working prototypes they are just trying to up their foundry capacity so they can produce lots of them

So in technicality intel have what is currently by far the fastest CPU

18A is apparently equivalent to TSMCs 2N node

[mossy gull]

Let 2026 come fast

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold can I ask you something?

What's the best 100w max laptop.
I want to make a little computer, enough to game on, in 1 of those small water tight cases so if there is a flood here I have something to entertain myself with.

[jade scaffold]

Not sure but you could build an ultra tiny pc that pulls 100w or less

[mossy gull]

With enough power for some games?

[jade scaffold]

Easy

[mossy gull]

What do I need?

The reason I said laptop as most can be powered by USB-C 😅

[jade scaffold]

Could use a 3D V Cache Ryzen power limit it and either a power limited 4060 or a normal A2000 should manage gaming under 100w total if you are going for peak performance per w anyway

[mossy gull]

I literally have max 100w to play with, and if on boot it uses more than that it's a no-go

[jade scaffold]

Boot won't cause a spike

You could even disable some CPU cores so it's a lil quad core with a quadro hanging off the side of it

[mossy gull]

It needs to fit in a small suit case, no GPU hanging to the side.

[jade scaffold]

The A2000 and 4060 lps are tiny

You can make entire pcs with them in fit in like 3L easy

[mossy gull]

How about power?
Like it needs to run on a battery so I can use it away from a power source

I think a laptop would be better, takes a lot less space so more of it can be battery

[cinder lagoon]

Get a steamdeck-alike and an IP65 rated Instrument case
Thomanns Flyht Box cases is commpelling as such (but probably 🇩🇪/🇪🇺 only)

Well, and an extra power bank (you can store in the case aswell)

If you'd really want, you could even transform the case into a ruggedized PC case
(tho it is difficult, I tried)

[sonic meadow]

Remember you also need to power budget for the monitor.
You also want to find a motherboard that takes sodimms (ie laptop ram) since they are lower power (save a few watts). Additionally the laptop system board tends to have lower other power draws as well.
Similarly... Not all SSDs are created equal. Some pull significantly more power than others

[mossy gull]

Steam Deck can't play everything and will run out of RAM faster than I would like.

I have an AyaNeo with 32GB RAM and literally run out of RAM 🤣

[mossy gull]

The powerbank I plan to use has a power limited at 200w, but only 100w per device.

Not only that, most portable displays, like those tiny ones fpr Raspberry Pi barely use 10w.

[mossy gull]

If I get a laptop board, and not a desktop board, I can make at least 60% of the case purely only battery.

[mossy gull]

On purpose I will get a low resolution display so I don't need a 5090 just to drive the display

[cinder lagoon]

How many games are you playing at once?

[sonic meadow]

Useful information. Still stuff to consider though. (Which you already are, at least from your later comments)

[cinder lagoon]

Like be fr - what kinda game fills 32Gb of RAM?
I think for the purpose of "emergency" gaming there should be a limit.

Not to mention I said stramdexk-alike
There many higher-power options and I believe the next gen of devices will run on DDR5 which mich come with 48GB of RAM

[mossy gull]

I would want to play Dragon's Dogma 2 and Monster Hunter games, which are VRAM heavy 😅

Oh and Rise of the Ronin

Which handhelds have a hard time, if they were easily playable on handheld I would've just used an AyaNeo as bas PC

[cinder lagoon]

Monitor power excluded vastly helps tho

[mossy gull]

I mean I asked for the system itself😅

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm did not consider that the RAM is ALSO the VRAM.
Given the fact that 100W REALLY isn't a lot of gaming power how about medium to low options tho?

[sonic meadow]

A 50 series card or whatever amds current gen is would be your best bet, efficiency goes up with every generation after all.
Through some power limits on, and paired with a decent midrange cpu (also set power limits) and you should have a decent time. Or as you originally asked about, a laptop configurable to about 100w

[mossy gull]

I have tried Dragon's Dogma 2 and MHW on my AyaNeo, which has like 15 fps on those games on lowest of lowest settings

It has a 1080p panel

The AyaNeo has the 8840U APU

Which has the 780M GPU

[sacred seal]

What you want doesn't really exist. I think you could probably find a laptop with a 4050.

IGPUs don't get much better then the 780m

[mossy gull]

I mean that's why I asked for a laptop so I can demolish it😅

[mossy gull]

8060S🙃

[sacred seal]

8060s has not launched yet

unless I am very much mistaken

Cant really recomend a product that does not exist

[mossy gull]

It has😐

But I myself was thinking 4050/4060

[sacred seal]

It's been anounced, but as far as I am aware there are no products currently on the market with it inside of it

[mossy gull]

https://www.megekko.nl/product/2057/1154471/Laptops/ASUS-ROG-Flow-Z13-GZ302EA-RU004W-13-4-AMD-Ryzen-Al-Max-395-Hybride-2-in-1-laptop

[jade scaffold]

Gonna deshroud the 5090 rather than water block it

[mossy gull]

Are you gonna Noctua cool it?

[jade scaffold]

Yea

Gonna get someone to make a proper deshroud kit for me

But in the meantime zipties

[sonic meadow]

self tappers straight in to heatsink

[mossy gull]

I am waiting till someone make a waterblock for the Nitro+ 9070XT

[tender plank]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/05/broadcom-sends-cease-and-desist-letters-to-subscription-less-vmware-users/
Damn, VMware is just shooting itself in the head now.

[surreal moss]

Has been all year

[tender plank]

They've been making themselves not look good for smaller use cases and especially for homelab use with the updated licensing, but this is outright turning on their existing users.

[surreal moss]

They’ve been doing that all of last year. This is just more of the same. I do however suspect that this will be challenged

It’s one thing to say “we won’t provide updates or support for your license.” It’s different though to try and force a user to stop altogether without cause

[mossy gull]

Nvidia is at it again
https://www.igorslab.de/en/keine-geforce-rtx-5060-analyse-zum-launch-am-19-mai-2025-no-drivers-no-party/

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/mWxe8PQYp9k

[mossy gull]

So I had fun today.
My brother wants more RAM so I showed him a set perfect for his build as a joke, the G.Skill Trident Z5 Royal Gold 96GB for 620.-, and he said he wants to buy it and it would be the dumbest thing in his PC.

[sonic meadow]

grumble grumble grumble. boot ssd in my server appear to have gone and put itself in to readonly mode

hopefully it is below the 300TB TBW that smasnug uses as part of the warranty (the other is 60 months, and it was purchased november 2020. so thats fine)

[sonic meadow]

and crystaldiskinfo reports 18TB, which is nothing

Also yay for the windows recovery environment being basically a full PE and thus able to run random shit you put on a USB drive

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/SChh6MnYzjU

[mossy gull]

That SSD, only if TB variant, is my last SSD ever from Samsung 😅

[sonic meadow]

hmm. now that I think about it, wasnt the 970 one of samsungs flops? controller issues or something

[mossy gull]

That was the 980 Pro, the 1 that committed Harakiri

[sonic meadow]

close, but no cigar

[mossy gull]

What do you mean with "no cigar"

[mossy gull]

I still don't get it

[sonic meadow]

It was a bit of humour about it being almost the same has what I had

[mossy gull]

Ah okay 😅
I don't get US humour

[sonic meadow]

not even US humour

[mossy gull]

🤔

[jade scaffold]

Interesting

[sonic meadow]

Looks like it ran out of "spare" space

[jade scaffold]

But at only 18tb written to it?

[sonic meadow]

Yup. Bit odd imo

[jade scaffold]

Yea very

Did you buy it brand new?

[sonic meadow]

Though I'm a bit suspicious of the overall numbers since the power on hours are less than the newer scratch disk in there... Which was a replacement for one that had been in there for ages

[sonic meadow]

Very new.

16k hours is a bit under 2 years, and I know it's had better than 40% uptime over the last five years

[jade scaffold]

Yea interesting

Me thinks the drive has bugged out in someway

[sonic meadow]

Definitely. But once I do a backup im going to start the warranty process

[jade scaffold]

Sounds good atleast it's got a decent warranty

[cinder lagoon]

lmao I wish more companies would be like this

[mossy gull]

Same, at least they are more fun

[cinder lagoon]

like I genuinely like watching the sponsor spots

[mossy gull]

I like how Dbrand makes a fool out of Linus

[cinder lagoon]

not only dbrand
I also like the other sponsor spots (from Dennis)
They're corny yet entertainable

[mossy gull]

11iphonestall.com is funny

I like how Dbrand even makes a fool out of other companies like PlayStation

[cinder lagoon]

heh

[mossy gull]

Another thing to add to Nvidia's bad bad list.
Nvidia thinks GPUs aren't expensive enough

[cerulean helm]

Well that tracks as they have stealth updated the msrp of their consumer gpus increasing them 10-15%.

[cinder lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-no-doubt-brooklyn-nine-nine-b99-andy-samberg-gif-17846849

[jade scaffold]

Yea saying it's a result of tariffs

Also Nvidia moving their headquarters to Taiwan

[sonic meadow]

A result of, or using as an excuse. Or any combination of the two

[mossy gull]

That's bullshit.
If a GPU is already twice as expensive because you cant make enough of them(probably on purpose), and you put another 10% to 15% on top because you think they ain't expensive enough, then you're just fucking greedy.

[jade scaffold]

One or both lmao

[jade scaffold]

Intel B770 confirmed

Not sure when it's gonna be announced but it definitely exists

[cinder lagoon]

how confirmed we talkin?
cuz we already heard everything from "canned" to "never worked on" to "100% definitely coming trust me bro"

[jade scaffold]

Intel are replying to people asking about it saying "stay tuned"

That's about as confirmed as it gets

If they are starting to hype it now. We might see it in Computex

Also in other news the 5090 can casually do 17000mhz on VRAM clock

[sacred seal]

I finally got it, the legendary error

[cinder lagoon]

😂

[tender plank]

https://www.vg247.com/steam-vendor-data-breach-passwords-89-million-users-dark-web

[timber barn]

Is there an official statement somewhere?

[tender plank]

Apparently it's a fake. The person that initially shared the link is normally trustworthy so I didn't look into it.

[surreal moss]

Nothing from Valve. This is the earliest article I’ve found from bleeping. I don’t think it’s a fake. Just developing:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/twilio-denies-breach-following-leak-of-alleged-steam-2fa-codes/

[sacred seal]

Suggestions?

It's checking them at a rate of like 1 file every 3 seconds

[sonic meadow]

wait

[sacred seal]

Fortunately it's starting going faster, waiting was not really a option. Can't afford to go without my pc for 3 years

[sonic meadow]

as annoying as it sounds. this isnt necessarily safe to abort

(I apparently mis-entered, so got a new line instead of submitting. should have been straight after my previous message 😦 )

[sacred seal]

That was an eta of 999 days

[sonic meadow]

yup

[sacred seal]

It's currently at a more reasonable 12 hours

[timber barn]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110/view/533224478739530145

[jade scaffold]

Today is the day I refan the 5090 so it doesn't make horrid noise

[surreal moss]

Yep, that came 5 hours later. So something happened but it spent appear to be critical at this time

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.xda-developers.com/89-million-steam-account-details-leak/
My first occurance

https://www.xda-developers.com/valve-confirms-the-steam-breach-is-real/
15hrs ago update 05/15 00:08

[cinder lagoon]

From a Steam perspective, customers do not need to change their passwords or phone numbers as a result of this event. It is a good reminder to treat any account security messages that you have not explicitly requested as suspicious. We recommend regularly checking your Steam account security at any time at
[do not klick on login links sent via any form of text]
ttps://store.steampowered.com/account/authorizeddevices.

We also recommend Steam users set up the Steam Mobile Authenticator if they haven’t already, as it gives us the best way to send secure messages about their account and that account’s safety.

[lusty heart]

Does anyone know why this is happening and how to fix it? Many desktop apps do this and it's driving me fuckin mad

[mossy gull]

Would you trust me if I say that's Windows?

There's a program called DWM, or Desktop Window Manager, if that piece of shit son of a bitch misbehaves, everything graphical that needs DWM misbehaves.

[sacred seal]

You can try win+ctlr+shift+b

But if it is a recurring issue, I would recommend reinstalling your graphics driver

[timber barn]

External Monitor?

[lusty heart]

I would trust that yeah

[lusty heart]

I've done both several times. Even used DDU and still no dice. I've been having this issue ever since I updated to that garbage 576.02 driver.

[lusty heart]

External meaning like a regular computer monitor? Then yes

[mossy gull]

Nvidia is the best they always say.

But lately it looks like Nvidia replaced their software devs with the ones from AMD and AMD replaced theirs with the ones from Nvidia.

Although I heard a wild rumour that Nvidia uses AI to write their drivers.

[lusty heart]

I would not be suprised. What a shit show.