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[mossy gull]

All we know is that FSR4 will use AI

[jade scaffold]

Hopefully amd program theirs in something that works on anything

[mossy gull]

Or something that works with all types of AI cores

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/X_I8kPlHJ3M

@jade scaffold Jarrod compared new Intel CPU with AMD's APU.

[jade scaffold]

That's not the new one

That's the old 13/14th gen one

[mossy gull]

Ah okay

[jade scaffold]

None of the new lunar lake chips have more than 8cores 8 threads

[mossy gull]

Now I am curious how good Intel is with gaming

[mossy gull]

I heard Qualcomm wants to buy Intel

[jade scaffold]

Yea no

Qualcomm couldn't afford intel

Even if they could it'd be blocked anyway for the same reason NVidias acquisition of arm was

[mossy gull]

I mean, Intel lost a lot of money thanks to the Harakiri shinanigans.

And I don't know how much Qualcomm has but I know Qualcomm belong to the most popular mobile SoC brand.

[sacred seal]

Qualcoms stock is roughly 2x that of intels. For contrast Nvidia's stock is worth 15x more then qualcoms

Now stock prices are not the same as how much money a company has, but its pretty rare that a company has more money then there stock is worth

So while strictly speaking Qualcom probably could buy intel (or at least a controlling stake), it would decimate their finances

They would need to convert at least 25% of all thier assets to cash.

[mossy gull]

They also can go for the temporary loss and have a higher revenue afterwards

[sacred seal]

No, they can't. This is not a question of revenue, this is assets. We are talking cash on hand, fabs, patents, anything with monitary value

And that 25 percent figure is exceedingly optimistic

Having dug a little more, it's closer to 100 percent

Assuming my math is right

Sorry, 100 percent for owning Intel outright

[jade scaffold]

Also they literally wouldn't be allowed to

[cerulean helm]

U.S Gov would block the sale under national security. Intel has military contracts with the DOD.

Hmm, PC having issues after BIOS update. Programs keep crashing/randomly closing.

[jade scaffold]

Not even just that

Qualcomm having intel gives them market dominance over multiple segments of the silicon market

Let's not let it be forgotten that despite AMD winning in desktop cpus intel still hold dominance over the laptop market mostly due to being far fucking easier to work with apparently. Intel hold dominance in consumer networking tech they have near infinite supply of silicon wafers their own fabs and technically speaking the most advanced lithography machine in the world even if they don't have the same scale as tsmc

Oh Intel also own x86

[cerulean helm]

Well, in the last 15 min Ive had Discord, Afterburner, HWinfo, and several other programs randomly crash.

I think I'm going to do a memtest and see if my ram has any faults.

[mossy gull]

I also would check if your storage medium has dead sectors

[cerulean helm]

SSD read fine, no SMART errors.

[cerulean helm]

SFC scannow found corrupted files. Doubt thats the main issue though.

[mossy gull]

SMART will only bypass the bad sectors and reallocate data lanes, it won't throw an error because of a bad sector.
This is because bad sectors can happen any time in the drive's lifespan and usually they aren't a problem, they become a problem if there's too many.

[cerulean helm]

No errors found in storage. Crystal Disk info shows no problems. This isn't a storage problem. I'm wondering if the cpu OC isn't stable or causing issues after I updated to the new microcode for Intel's "fix". But haven't has any actual pc crashes yet.

[cerulean helm]

Yeah, I think thats it. The new microcode and the Asus "AI optimized" OC settings are not stable anymore. Even reducing the OC just straight up started causing the PC to freeze upon boot. Turned off the "AI OC" and just set to optimized and I was able to boot up.

Not happy that I just dropped 300-500mhz on the P and E cores. Kindra regretting that mocrocode "fix" as I was completely stable beforehand.

[mossy gull]

The problem with the previous micro code is that your CPU slowly Harakiri itself, which also can make it unstable as the damage is not reversible

[cerulean helm]

Vcore never went higher than 1.46 on the old Bios. I was never seeing the spikes other reported of 1.5 or even 1.6V. Used to be able to easily hit 5.7-6ghz on P cores and 4.5 on the E cores.

[surreal moss]

You were probably fine then

Sucks that the upgrade is a downgrade for you

[cerulean helm]

At least at the time as long as it was under 1.5v it was safe. Could no longer be the prevailing wisdom though. I may mess around later and see if I can claw back some clock speed. Would at least like to see 5.4/5.5 on the P cores and 4.3/4.4 on the E cores.

Thats just my vanity though.

But, After over an hour the PC hasn't had any apps crash at all. Also fixed the ongoing firefox crashes I'd been dealing with for months before the new microcode update.

[mossy gull]

I thought the problem was that the BIOS also misread, that the applied voltage was higher than the BIOS showed.

And any voltage limit set didn't properly apply

[cerulean helm]

Not that I am aware of. The issue was the microcode and board bios were way way to aggressive in their voltage. I saw VIDs of nearly 1.5v, and Vcore max at 1.46v with the "ai" optimized auto overclock thing from Asus. And even with an extreme LLC curve for heavy workloads or tests such as Prime95 or Cinebench my cpu would hit 90c. And it was downclocking to 5.3 and 4.2.

I'm curious to see what Starfield runs temp wise with the new settings as that game got a bit toasty at times hitting 85-89c on some cores.

ATM I'm reading on overclock.net that even mid 1.4x voltage on the Vcore is bad/ not recommended.

[jade scaffold]

something interesting about lunar lake ive just found out

is its faster than AMDs HX 370 CPU wise by a fair bit at 15W but slower at 30W

which makes sense i guess

the HX370 is a 12 core part the intel Lunar lake is a 8 core part

[mossy gull]

I am curious how good the GPU is in real world games.

[jade scaffold]

from what i've been seeing sometimes It smashes the HX370 sometimes the HX370 Smashes it and sometimes they are the same

neither are ever bad tho

both are very impressive

140 FPS in GTA 5 is fucking impressive this was at 30W

the HX370 goes up to like 60W tho max so if its max power vs max power the HX370 is faster but if you want a 15W hand held the intel chip due to its lesser number of cores higher efficiency might be a better choice

[mossy gull]

I wonder what AyaNeo and GPD will choose on their "bigger" devices, or if we have a choice ourselves.
Performance is comparable.
I personally hope the HX370, but that's because I also use the Oculink port, but for purely mobile, I still think the HX370, but that's purely because Intel hasn't proven yet that their GPU properly supports older games.

[jade scaffold]

ayoneo dont seem to much care about battery life

so i would assume HX370

then they'll just crank the power to 30W

maybe the HX360 as thats basically the Z1 extreme

[mossy gull]

You would think, but the Flip DS is limited to 60w on battery with the 8840U, which is the APU running without turbo.

On a 100w adapter it is able to run with turbo.

[jade scaffold]

though Fun note the intel Lunar lake can actually have its power limited to 8W

so turn off all the P cores drop its TDP to 8W and you have something pulling the same power as the switch that is much faster

[mossy gull]

We need powerful efficient SoCs for emulators😅

Well, more of them

[jade scaffold]

we also need AMD to update their Chiplet interconnect

[mossy gull]

Lets hope with the generation after that.

But I know my next handheld will be the GPD Win Max.

Unless the next Legion Go will have 32+GB RAM with an Oculink port, I'll get that.

16GB isn't enough with all the high VRAM games one the horizon

[jade scaffold]

this is probs the chip im gonna try get my hands on

its one of the higher end chips 32gb of ram because thats a must these days tbh
but as this is the 2nd best binned chips im hopeing i can get away with some funky undervolting to try cram a bunch of performance out at absurdly low power

[mossy gull]

I love the marketing
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/tnilyV94lf

[jade scaffold]

Wonder if AMD will tansition to a sillicon interposer next gen for their chiplet products

would be really nice to see and i really hope they do

[mossy gull]

They probably have to

[mossy gull]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-ai-max-395-to-feature-16-zen5-cores-and-40-rdna3-5-cus-strix-halo-lineup-leaks-out

Up to 96GB VRAM allocation, that's a lot

[jade scaffold]

its 96GB total

but like with the HX370 you could alocate as much ram to VRAM as you want

[mossy gull]

It's still a lot, currently with the 8840U the highest is 14GB with 32GB and higher

[jade scaffold]

Intels P core Xeons finally coming

that ram speed kinda crazy for a server chip

Pretty baller single core performance
Multi core is fine enough plenty impressive with the consideration its a 8 core part 4 of which cores are E cores

Power seems to be consistent too thankfully
Looses out in efficiency to AMDs Zen 5 HX370 once you pass about 20W but at low powers lunar lake is increasingly impressive in efficiency

As for gaming Time Spy DX12 Lunar lake wins by an absurd margin which is about what I predicted would happen in DX12,
CS2 is impressive its right there with the 880M in AMDS HX365 i think its called

This Win in Cyberpunk is actually insane too

[mossy gull]

Efficiency sounds like my SB2 15", it was efficient below 25w, but above that for some reason you lose 3/4th the of the battery life.

[cinder lagoon]

Anyone knows how to meaningfully extend battery life on an XPS 17 rtx 3050?

It's about an hour with vscode open and the dgpu disconnected

[mossy gull]

Limit the wattage of the CPU and/or undervolt it.

On some systems you're able to lower the wattage of the CPU in the Power settings from Windows.

Also put the display around 80% to 90%, you'll almost save 25% to 50% power

[cinder lagoon]

Low energy mode seems to only affect the responsiveness of the system - 30W in idle for a 12700H?

I might just need to re-setup the system tbh, it's a fairly old install from a coworker lol

[mossy gull]

30w in idle is pretty high, no matter the mode

[cinder lagoon]

Well hwinfo said 30 while being plugged in at least...
CPU usage is at a constant 2-5% in "idle"

Immer reinstall after this week

Als while I'm at it - set up dual boot with Linux and a private/uni Windows install lol

[mossy gull]

Is that CPU only or system usage?

[cinder lagoon]

CPU package power afaik

GPU was separate (didn't really look at it but the 65W power brick was GOIN)

[silk jasper]

Question. Do you guys think it’s worth waiting for Q1 of 2025 for the 9950X3D? I am in the process of procuring parts albeit in no rush to do so. And with the sudden hike of 7800X3D Prices and the lack of them in stock carried with my lack of rush do you think it’s a worthwhile investment to hold off and grab what will albeit inevitably be a more expensive but possibly better performing CPU?

[sacred seal]

I never recommend buying parts peacemeal. Save up enough money and buy them all at once, otherwise you risk getting stuck with just a mess of hardware.
With that said, if I am remembering your build right, a 9950x3d would not make sense.

[silk jasper]

De I changed it up

I’ve decided to build into a top end AM5 and go the long run.

As I did indeed acquire my triple salary job

[silk jasper]

And I am buying them in segments. Originally I was going to buy the case case fans cooler and PSU in one sitting. And then the motherboard CPU and RAM in the next. Followed by the SSD’s Windows and GPU. But I do get your point.

[sacred seal]

If you have extra money, GPU is always the priority. I'm still sitting on a 2700x for my personal build

And I have a 6900xt

[silk jasper]

Fair I am doing the GPU in a very specific manner

So that’s why it’s now high on the priority list.

But long story short. My credit is in need of a much needed bump so I was gonna pull a PL and do it that way 👌

Since it’s the most expensive portion of the build anyway

But I am also not worried about them disappearing anytime either

[sacred seal]

Alright then.

The way I would think of it is that your GPU determines you average performance, and your CPU determines your maximum. Even a 5600x will do a pretty decent job if you are only targeting 144hz, but if your GPU has the horses to do more, a better CPU will let it strech its legs more often

[silk jasper]

Ofc. The build I have should be running 4K no issues ever

I just don’t know if I wanna wait for the new CPU or not

Given the somewhat disaster that was the normal 9950’s

Granted I can always pickup a “older” CPU

But still it’s an expensive part so

[sacred seal]

It rarely hurts to wait, but there is always some risk involved (See the 7800x3d)

[silk jasper]

Yeah low stock high demand double price almost

Rough time

Granted I don’t exactly mind going with the 9850X3D given I enjoy a bit more productivity. But that’s aside the point given it’s just as much at risk atm

[sacred seal]

Its pretty rare that cpu prices go up like this. I actually cant think of a time when CPU prices actually increased.

[silk jasper]

I almost want to say this is a first given how steep it is

[sacred seal]

Crypto and AI have stressed the markets for GPUs, but CPUs tend to devalue pretty quickly (relitive)

[silk jasper]

Intel flopping did a lotta damage to the market as a whole. Lack of competition (due to circumstances) has people flocking to AMD’a which in turn has a fat demand for a thin stockpile. Or rather a stockpile not prepared for such a huge demand increase

Tbh I didn’t foresee the consequences being this drastic

Any day now I’m waiting to wake up and see the 9850X3D at 700 USD lowest

Alr ima take the risk and hold out for the 9950X3D. Personally I think no matter which way this goes I’ll probably pick it up. But always that change I don’t depending if it doesn’t do well.

[mossy gull]

Intel flopping increased AMDs prices because many went to AMD

[silk jasper]

Precisely

[mossy gull]

Over the years Intel broke my trust in them, but their latest stunt is for me a massive no-go.
It's not that the CPUs broke, that can happen to others, I am talking about Intel blaming motherboard manufacturers.

[silk jasper]

Right it’s everyone else’s fault but theirs like I was also a AMD Customer but over these last couple years I really started to build distrust in Intel.

Them like you said they go and pull this latest PR stunt

And it just one it hurts their reputation hard

Second it’s hurt the reliability of the Intel CPU least for these two generations but also adds a lot of worry for the next generation

It also just builds resentment in the motherboard manufacturers world too because they are getting dragged in the mud by Intel for something that’s Intel’s own fault but I digress

Ima wait for the 9950X3D and the associated Hero motherboard from Asus. 👌

I’m turning in for the day cya lads thanks for your guys help

[gentle hull]

So my nephew has a bunch of malware and bloatware on his laptop anyone know a good free tool to remove it so i dont accidentally break anything?

Running Win10

[sacred seal]

Malware bytes

[mossy gull]

https://www.malwarebytes.com/

[gentle hull]

Already running it lol

Hopefully it'll actually run like a gaming laptop after this

[mossy gull]

Bloatware you have to remove manually

[gentle hull]

Three minutes in and already at 58 hits I'll update with the final number lol

[mossy gull]

That's a very slow scan

[sacred seal]

Not uncommon if there is a bunch of crap on the system

[gentle hull]

118 hits in six minutes

It didnt get the trojan

[sacred seal]

I would recommend running it several times until you get two in a row with no hits

[gentle hull]

Just did two more and they both came back clear

The memory and cpu are still being eaten tho

[sacred seal]

What is eating them?

And have you restarted

[gentle hull]

Theres this thing called Altisik service and spyhunter

No one said to restart the computer

[sacred seal]

It normally is not necessary

Do either of those show up in your program list

[gentle hull]

Also malwarebytes and steam using a lot of memory too

[gentle hull]

Like in the windows folder?

[sacred seal]

If you go into your installed program list

[gentle hull]

Altisik is in program files (x86)

[sacred seal]

If you type uninstall into windows search it should show up

[gentle hull]

The what

[sacred seal]

If it has a folder, you can probably uninstall it

[gentle hull]

Also i have admin on the computer but its not letting me use the admin perms

[sacred seal]

Hmm, restart, see if that clears anything up

If it does not, we might have to break out the big guns

[gentle hull]

What the hell are the big guns?

[sacred seal]

Super admin

[gentle hull]

Wuhuh?

[sacred seal]

Yeah, it's a thing. Bit dangerous so let's see if we can't do without it

[gentle hull]

Okay i restarted what do i do now

[sacred seal]

Can you uninstall the unwanted programs?

[gentle hull]

It says it cant be completed because its open in another program

[sacred seal]

Can you kill it in task manager?

[gentle hull]

Think so

[sacred seal]

Kill it in task manager, see if that lets you uninstall it

If it still yells at you, see if you can disable it in the startup menu of task manager, and then restart and uninstall it

And if that does not work, we can boot into safe mode and see if you can uninstall it

[gentle hull]

Whats a runtime broker

[sacred seal]

It's part of the OS I believe

[gentle hull]

I cant make the spyhunter program stop in task manager

[sacred seal]

Actually, if you got rid of that many pups, you may want to do some window repair first

open an admin command prompt

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

sfc/scannow

[gentle hull]

Where do i type that in?

[sacred seal]

type cmd into search, right click on command prompt, and run as admin

[gentle hull]

Okay i ran it

Says Error: 87, DISM log file can be found in DISM log folder

[sacred seal]

THat is not ideal...

Try running the other one

[gentle hull]

Same thing

Wait they're two commands?

[sacred seal]

Ah, yes, they are two seperate commands

sorry

Run them only one at a time

[gentle hull]

Same thing error 87

System scan is working tho

[sacred seal]

Alright, that is the first time I have seen that. Run mbam again, just for the heck of it, then we will try doing a clean boot

[gentle hull]

Mbam?

[sacred seal]

malware bytes anti malware

[gentle hull]

Ah

What about the system scan?

[sacred seal]

Just leave it running

[gentle hull]

Kk

[sacred seal]

Something has derped, we are throwing the kitchen sink at the wall to try and figure out what

[gentle hull]

Want the pc model number?

[sacred seal]

It cant hurt, but it doesn't really mater that much

[gentle hull]

Device ID or Product ID?

[sacred seal]

Product ID

[gentle hull]

00326-10000-00000-AA882

Mbam says all is good

[sacred seal]

NVM, that is not useful at all.

Alright, lets try a clean boot

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-to-perform-a-clean-boot-in-windows-da2f9573-6eec-00ad-2f8a-a97a1807f3dd

[gentle hull]

Oh oh the system scan did a thing

[sacred seal]

Ah, that is good. Did not have high hopes for that

[gentle hull]

Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files and successfully repaired them

[sacred seal]

That is good

Try running the DISM command again, see if it works now

[gentle hull]

No

[sacred seal]

Bla, so it found some courrupt files, but not the right ones

Right, lets clean boot and try it again.

[gentle hull]

Okay

Is that in the button to access bios on start up?

[sacred seal]

No, I sent you a link on how to do it

Its a bit involved

Actually, lets do safe boot

Bit less involved
https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000124344/how-to-boot-to-safe-mode-in-windows-10

[gentle hull]

I also put a backup of the windows 10 installer on a usb just incase

Restarting

Which safe mode do i use?

[sacred seal]

Doesn't really matter

Probably with networking

[gentle hull]

Done

[sacred seal]

Alright, lets see if you can uninstall those programs now

[gentle hull]

Yes

[sacred seal]

Altisik and spyhunter are gone?

[gentle hull]

Cant get rid of spyhunter

It doesn't show up in (x86) only the other program files

[sacred seal]

It give an error?

[gentle hull]

Yeah same one

[sacred seal]

Are you using the uninstaller, or are you deleting the files?

[gentle hull]

Deleting files

[sacred seal]

Ok, that explains why you were having difficulties deleting it then

Search for add or remove program

[gentle hull]

It doesnt have an uninstaller

[sacred seal]

Should get a list that looks something like this

I would go through and kill anything you dont recognize

[gentle hull]

Yeah found it

[sacred seal]

Once you have done that, run mbam again, and then try those repair commands, see if they work now

[gentle hull]

Clicked the wrong button on one and the pc restarted

[sacred seal]

Not a big deal, just boot into safe mode again

[gentle hull]

Stupid AVG crap

What are bluestacks and citra?

[sacred seal]

Bluestacks is a android emulator

Citra is a 3ds emulator?

[gentle hull]

Okay they're probably on here from when his dad set up the computer for him and loaded it with half this bloatware craptastic fake anti virus programs

Theres a bunch of Microsoft redistributables in the list those should all be fine right?

[sacred seal]

Yeah

[gentle hull]

Okay i think that should be everything but im gonna run through the program files one more time

Do you know what EstimateSpeedUp is?

[sacred seal]

Seems like a pup

[gentle hull]

Pup?

[sacred seal]

Potentially unwanted program

Garbage that is not strictly malware

[gentle hull]

Theres a folder called LevelApplication with Avast and AVG shit in it

[sacred seal]

For the most part I would leave folders alone

Malware does not generally try to hide in obvious places, and a incorrectly uninstalled program can often be worse then just leaving it running

[gentle hull]

Okay i think all the programs are gone

[sacred seal]

K, hit her with mbam one last time, and then see if the repair commands work

[gentle hull]

Running

Mbam says clear

Its not giving me the same command prompt as before

[sacred seal]

uhh, what do you mean by that?

[gentle hull]

It said something about windows 32 when i ran it before now it says user

[sacred seal]

Should be only one cmd prompt

Ah, yeah that is probably fine

[gentle hull]

C:\users\user>

[sacred seal]

That is just where you are running the command from. For these it does not really matter

[gentle hull]

Kk

So the DISM one?

[sacred seal]

Yeah, start with that

[gentle hull]

Same error

[sacred seal]

Alrighty then, lets try a different command

[gentle hull]

Says the option is unknown

[sacred seal]

Ah, then you probably have a space in the wrong place or something

DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth

[gentle hull]

Wait theres spaces

[sacred seal]

Yes, that would deffinatly do that

[gentle hull]

Damnit

[sacred seal]

PCs are fun, right?

[gentle hull]

Sure

When they work

ITS DOING THE THING

It did the thing successfully

[sacred seal]

Did it detect any issues?

[gentle hull]

The scan found nothing and the restore operation was successful

Should i go back to normal windows and check the task manager for anything being funky?

[sacred seal]

Yep

[gentle hull]

Okay yeah theres a spike on start up then it levels out pretty well

[sacred seal]

Righty oh then, seems like this PC is about as good as it gets short of a nuke and boot.

[gentle hull]

Is there a way to make steam take less memory?

[sacred seal]

How much is it using?

[gentle hull]

300MB in two instances because theres two profiles on the laptop

Each one is between 150-175MB

Specifically the client webhelper

SaferWeb also uses a lot

[sacred seal]

Yeah, that is within expected parameters

Note that ram ussage is not exactly ram ussage. Things run faster if they are in ram, but not everything needs to be. So if you have ram to spare, some programs will just dump everything into ram

My client is currently using about 444mb

[gentle hull]

Okay so CPU is down to 4-25% and Memory is holding strong at 39%

[sacred seal]

Guessing its an older laptop with 8gb of ram? That sounds reasonable

[gentle hull]

12gb ram

[sacred seal]

Ah, its one of those

[gentle hull]

Got an i7-6700HQ @ 2.60GHz

Its also not any real name brand

[sacred seal]

So about 8 years then. Serviceable, but not much else

[gentle hull]

Its a Hasee

God Of War

As long as it can run Arma 3 im happy with it

Lately it couldn't

But it will be nuked once my nephew gets his new PC because then i dont have to have his stuff on it

Fresh install for everything because its easier to remove the non windows bloatware

[sacred seal]

I'm trying to remember which is older, the laptop or Arma 3

[gentle hull]

Arma 3 came out 2013

[sacred seal]

Alright, yeah that should be doable

[gentle hull]

Also the laptop isnt old its just cheap and low end

[sacred seal]

Its from 2015

That's decently old

[gentle hull]

Okay i didn't realize it was that old

[sacred seal]

To clarify, the laptop itself may not be that old, but the CPU is from 2015

Still was a good CPU for that era, in fact it may be the best mobile processor of that year

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
https://youtu.be/FthRjW9YzXQ

[jade scaffold]

Yee I've seen

[mossy gull]

Nice, I am impressed how good the Z1 Extreme holds up to this day.

[jade scaffold]

tbf

the Z1 isnt any different really performance wise to the Zen 5 chips

though the Z1 still actually outperforms the HX370 because the HX370 is a really quite high power part

[mossy gull]

I mean compared to a much newer Intel chip😅

[jade scaffold]

i really dont get the HX370

its just not a good chip for laptops and its power hungry enough that its aproaching the point where you can just have a dedicated GPU

[jade scaffold]

i mean it has 4 Performance cores vs the 8 that the Z1 has

In terms of raw GPU power the Z1 is massively slower but the Intel ARC GPUs still have a metric shit tonne of driver overhead for the most part

also the Z1 has 2x the threads

and higher clock speed the lunar lake chip has a enormously higher IPC interestingly enough usually its the other way arround

Definatly alot of room for driver improvements on the Lunar Lake chip for Forza with it lagging so far behind

[mossy gull]

The Z1 Extreme is also 2 years old by now😅
That's why I think it holds up nicely, I do think the Intel has potential, just currently not

[jade scaffold]

yes but its also fundimentally the exact same thing as this gen

like the GPU architecture literally hasnt changed

[mossy gull]

I wonder how the 890M will perform compared to the ARC🤨

[jade scaffold]

it tends to lose at the same power

even against the 780m

because that chip is built like total shit

12 cores 24 threads and 12CUs no wonder the chip cant hold its own at low powers there just isnt enough power to feed the poor thing

probably slams them both in raw performance if you run it at the full 60w or what ever

[mossy gull]

So you say we need a 6-core 12-thread or 8-core 8-thread?

[jade scaffold]

need something that isnt built like a high end chip

but even still i recon some dumbass company will still shove what is a high power chip in a 15 or 30w hand held

honestly even 8 full fat cores is overkill

if i were amd and i wanted to make the best Gaming APU i give it 8 C cores and maybe a 10CU gpu for the 15w hand held market

[mossy gull]

Ayaneo, GPD and OneXPlayer want to speak with you about that😅

[jade scaffold]

yea companies full of disappointing handhelds

the only hand held i think currently is actually any good is the steam deck its only real issue imo is its size its very bulky

[mossy gull]

At least the ones from AyaNeo stay cooler than the Steam Deck 😅
And can hold its performance pretty well.

The problem I have with the other 3 handhelds is the lack of RAM

[jade scaffold]

being cool isnt the issue

Ayoneo have to run the 8840Us at like 30W to get the same performance as the deck so they dont even come close to scrapeing the balls of the decks battery life exactly the same as the ROG Ally in its pursuit of trying to be the fastest

The Decks apu is all manners of old and shitty and yet its somehow better than any other APU AMD made

Zen 2 cores RDNA 2 GPU cores

Valve had their priorities streight Valve understood that you dont need CPU power when you have the equivilent to 2016s entry level GPU as your GPU

[mossy gull]

The Steam Deck runs Dragon's Dogma 2 in 720p lowest settings 30 fps, my AyaNeo does 1080p 30fps with settings slightly above low, and it does that on balanced settings(20w), not much changes towards the full 30w mode.

Dragon's Dogma 2 is a VRAM heavy game, so it uses a ton of RAM on handhelds.

[jade scaffold]

thats not the issue

Dragons dogma 2 just has dogshit compatability with the Decks hardware

the Deck is objectivly faster than the 8840U untill the 8840U hits about 35W in gaming

[mossy gull]

My 8840U doesn't go above 28w in heavy games though, although I haven't tried CPU heavy games.

[jade scaffold]

yea its power limited

so its just gonna loose out to the decks apu

thats why i hate most modern hand helds

hur dur look at our 8 core CPU and our power starved GPU

like nice one you have made something thats more powerfull on a technicality

[mossy gull]

I wonder what will happen if I run in Linux, like a Linux vs Linux battle 😅
I already noticed a performance increase from Windows 11 to Windows 10.

[jade scaffold]

hopefully the Z2 mimics lunar lakes layout of 4P 4E cores which is plenty enough for any game when your GPU cant even touch the 1070

[mossy gull]

I think to increase compatibility, have all cores be the same, more and more games will be able to use more than 4 cores as long they're all the same.

[jade scaffold]

it shouldnt matter

unless amds Thread director is still total shit and they havent learnt anything over the past 3 years of their and intels multi core type chips having strokes

[mossy gull]

I think it does, especially with CPU heavy games, maybe you don't have them, but I do, and quad cores are pretty much a pain in their backs.

Games like Cyberpunk, Dragon's Dogma 2, Star Citizen, Flight Simulator, probably GTA 6, they all benefit from extra cores.

[jade scaffold]

Yes

But probably not if you have a potato GPU

[mossy gull]

They still do benefit, with my broken laptop, which has the 5900HX, when I was trying everything to keep the temps under control, with just 4 cores CP2077 took twice as long to load and FPS went down as well.
Even though the GPU could boost higher.

[jade scaffold]

Yea the 5600 barely scrapes 70% useage in star citizen at 1080p low with a 1070

So a all e core or 4p 4e should be fine

[mossy gull]

With a 1070 it's better to put SC on medium or high settings, not on low, SC has some funky resource usage.

[mossy gull]

I think all efficiency cores would be better for games that can scale with amount of cores

Also, handhelds need Oculink, Thunderbolt is simply too slow for GPUs nowadays

In Cyberpunk 2077, Thunderbolt is roughly 30fps slower than Oculink with a 4090

[jade scaffold]

More RTX 5090 leaks and these ones are interesting

so as apposed to the supposed 22-24k cores expected before we might be getting more like 21k cores but with a 512 bit memory bus and 32GB of GDDR7, 600W power limit its not clear if this 600w is what the card will activly try to draw or what its maximum draw is with overclocking

as Seasonics PSU calculator claimed 500W for the 5090

which would as such imply that a power limit increase of 120 would be possible for thoes who want to overclock which is neat

[sacred seal]

Just had a bit of a scare. Was playing satisfactory when my PC hard crashes and restarts. However it takes way longer then normal to boot, so I kill it and turn it on again. Computer starts normally, but my hard drive is now missing. Device manager, disk management, it is just gone.

Decided to restart, and the computer got stuck during the boot again. Decided to just let it sit, and after 5 minutes it booted up and the drive was back

[mossy gull]

MSI said that next gen GPUs will hav 2 12-pin cables

Rumours go all over the place currently

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/100633/geforce-rtx-5090-could-ship-with-two-16-pin-power-connectors-require-new-psu/index.html

[cinder lagoon]

Just to be sure: make a backup!

[sacred seal]

Unfortunately I cant' its a 18tb drive.

[mossy gull]

@jade scaffold
https://youtu.be/IZkSoXPNBpA

[jade scaffold]

Yee seen that

It's as expected tho

Lunar lake looses at higher power wins at lower power

Also massively more efficient

[jade scaffold]

288 core CPU

maximum of 2 sockets per mobo

576 Cores Max on a Mobo thats fucking nuts

[hasty rose]

Is this a trustworthy video?
https://youtu.be/NdpjHmBbjEM?si=wX7obP6KzzXJ6N4P

[jade scaffold]

this entire video is a waste of time

while what he describes does yes work

if you want to make sure your PC isnt being effected by a virus you could just run like Malware bytes for a quick scan then uninstall it so it doesnt spamm the shit out of you asking you to buy the full version

[mossy gull]

The lack of equal performing cores still is a let-downs, there's games that simply benefit from more cores.

[mossy gull]

Is that an Epyc?

[jade scaffold]

No

That's a Xeon

An all e core Xeon

[mossy gull]

Nice, it looks weird with the 5 rectangles.
But what will it cost?
150k?

[jade scaffold]

Probably not much more than Genoa

[mossy gull]

I reinstalled my AyaNeo because I got very pissed off at W11.
And I must say, W10 runs like a train, slightly faster than W11 and games run much more stable.

[hasty rose]

https://youtu.be/Bicjxl4EcJg?si=V3xm23RJEOZS1KFK

[cinder lagoon]

Bro not chatgpt on a TI84

Tbh tho - it probably kinda sucks for physics / maths questions, even with the wolfram alpha plugin haha

[balmy flicker]

Given how often chegg was wrong for mid level engineering classes and how much of a pia it is to type letter on a ti84 this would likely be a detrament not an aid

Also most classes that allowed a calculator of that caliber also allow the higher end options with built in CAS and spread sheats

[deep zenith]

Hmmmmm. Anyone know of a reliable way to port my old iTunes library over to my android phone without using whatever the heck those corpos call their music app now?

[mossy gull]

Nope, we use Apple Music these days, not to mention iTunes has its files encrypted, so unless you have the loose audio files, you may port those over.

[deep zenith]

Bleh

Thanks x3

[surreal moss]

Your best bet is going to be export them in the format you want from iTunes

[iron rock]

it seems likely that i have to get a new motherboard for my PC. need a B550 (ryzen 5600x is my cpu) but I have no idea what brand or model to get. my current MB is an MSI and it seems to be going bad after just 4 years so really not liking the idea of getting another one. I keep seeing the Asus ones recommended as the best but I also remember seeing allot of shady shit from Asus lately

I also need an m.2 system drive and never dealt with those before so no idea what to look for

[mossy gull]

My experience with MSI and Gigabyte is that it usually goes bad after ±4 years,
I haven't see any age issues yet with Asus Strix, AsRock and NZXT boards.

[mossy gull]

Solidigm P44 Pro, good drive, not too expensive and games love the insanely high IOPS

[iron rock]

never even heard of that brand...

also I need cheap and reliable and long lasting. those matter to me more then speed. reliability above all else. I tend to replace my system drive about ever 10 years and this is an up 24/7 system

[mossy gull]

It's a really good brand, they mostly deal with servers

[iron rock]

cheap as in I cant afford high end gaming or server hardware, I need something sensible, not cheap like bottom of the barrel

[mossy gull]

10 years is a stretch, no matter if it's an HDD or SSD, but best to go with a high capacity SSD then of at least 2TB, like ones from Crucial or Solidigm

Don't fill it up more than 80% and DO NOT defrag an SSD, and don't constantly write very large files to it.

[iron rock]

my current samsung is at 8 years and showing no problems. my 2 HDD are 8 and 12 years also showing no problems

[mossy gull]

Avoid Samsung, they don't get old.

[cerulean helm]

I currently have an Asus board Z790 Strix Wifi E. Not exactly happy with it, but thats more an Intel issue than anything else. My last board was MSI and its lan port died.

[iron rock]

and yes I know not to over fill an SSD

[cerulean helm]

As far as drives I use a mix of Samsung and WD Black drives.

[iron rock]

the 2 HDDs are a WD green and black

[mossy gull]

I mean not to to fill it past 80%, stay below it.

[iron rock]

yes I know

[mossy gull]

Then you're lucky, WD hasn't been known to be very reliable

[iron rock]

I am pushing it on the F drive, but its not used allot, not high read/write and I will clean it out as soon as I have a new place to shove shit

[iron rock]

they were 10 years ago when I bought them 😛

[mossy gull]

Like I said, luck😅

[iron rock]

I also mostly just use my system drive as a system drive. I dont have games on it. but I guess when I get an m.2 drive I will

[mossy gull]

My advice, go with Solidigm SSDs, avoid Samsung as lately their SSDs haven't been reliable.

[iron rock]

the only reason my system drive is so full is because of stupid Space Engineers and its storing crap in appdata. I HATE programs that use appdata as a dumping ground. keep your shit in your own folder!

[mossy gull]

Turn on Storage Sense, it can save space, and believe it or not, so can OneDrive😅

[iron rock]

yeah no thanks

I know what is on my drives and I manage it just fine without letting windows fuck shit up

[mossy gull]

Storage Sense will still help as it removes temporary files

[iron rock]

I dont need windows removing temp files

I keep track of that on my own

[mossy gull]

Storage Sense is much better and safer than other cleaning tools

[iron rock]

again I dont use cleaning tools

[mossy gull]

You can't, unless you know exactly what each temporary file does that appears in your temporary files folder.

And the name of those files are random characters only programs know

[iron rock]

if you have something installed that creates large amounts of temp files then that something isnt worth having

[mossy gull]

Windows and other programs tend to forget to remove temporary files.
That's 1 of the reasons Storage Sense came to light..

[iron rock]

windows only spams temp files if you let it update

and seeing as my install of windows promptly broke its auto updater with an auto update 3 months after I installed it, no problems there!

[mossy gull]

That is not true, every program that runs on the system will create temporary files, and if you don't update your system will become a security risk for every device on your local network.

[iron rock]

so my computer will become a security risk to my computer... check

[mossy gull]

Not what I said.
I done network security, and the security is as strong as the weakest system.

If you don't update a system because of temporary files(something Storage Sense fixes) or whatever reason, the system becomes a security risk.

That system can get infected without you knowing and in turn infect other systems on the same network, this includes other PCs, smartphones, TVs, iot devices, you name it.

[iron rock]

I dont update because windows broke its fucking updater and I cant get it to work without reinstalling the system

also... I think I am fine. I have not done a disk cleanup of temp files literally ever.

[mossy gull]

If you use Windows 10 or 11 you can download MediaCreationTool which also can do it

[mossy gull]

That's the wrong folder

[iron rock]

I keep track of what other programs put in the user folders like appdata and if they abuse that privlage I uninstall them

my system drive size has not budged an inch on that bar in like 5 years

I am fine

[sacred seal]

Yes and no. Generally speaking an un updated system is not dangerous to anything else. In therory it can be, but the types of malware that would do that are quite rare

[iron rock]

literally no network to worry about...

no, not even connected to my phone

[sacred seal]

In that case yeah, updates are entirely unessasarry, assuming you practice safe browsing habbits

[mossy gull]

The Temporary Files folder isn't called "Temp", the folder is literally called Temporar Files, and it's a hidden folder somewhere in the main drive.

[iron rock]

once in a while I will turn on the wifi radio long enough to update the settings on a WLED device. but I dont think there are many viruses out there that are going to nuke my WLED powered warpcore

look, I really dont care about this. I manage my system the way I want, I know the risks and I know what I am doing.

just need advice on hardware because I dont keep up with the latest, I dont know who is currently reliable and that is what I care about most because if you cant tell I dont like to make changes to my computer

I am not the nerd that reinstalls there system ever 6 months to keep it fresh

I dont like to reinstall it every 6 years

[mossy gull]

I never reinstalled my Surface Book 2, and because it's a company laptop that can't update on company network anymore because its been too long away from the company network, the only way I can update is with MediaCreationTool 😅

[sacred seal]

Most computer hardware is reliable until its not. Without historical faliure rates its difficult to tell how relyable something is, so I would not worry too much about that.

[mossy gull]

That's a almost 6 year old laptop

[iron rock]

well seeing as I am poor as fuck and have to buy older hardware not the latest and greatest there should be some historical faliure rate data.

[sacred seal]

My current gigabyte board is pushing 7 years now, but I have had them die after one as well

[mossy gull]

I seen it more common with MSI and Gigabyte in the Benelux.
Asus and AsRock are less common to me to repair, with AsRock I feel being most reliable.

[iron rock]

like for example a B550 mb

its funny, AsRock was the super cheap and not really trusted brand last time I looked into all this

but seen good reviews for them now

there was a bunch of drama with Asus not long ago, what was that all about? is it anyway releated to MBs?

[mossy gull]

If you want 2nd hand hardware, server farms usually sell SSDs with a lot of lifespan left for pretty cheap, and they're usually from brands like Solidigm.

They're way more reliable than a brand new consumer drive, they're usually being replaced by higher capacity drives.

[mossy gull]

An issue with the ROG Ally handheld

[sacred seal]

The few pieces of data I can find on that are the gigabyte vision d is the most relyable board

b550 board

[mossy gull]

Vision D, aren't those more workstation focused parts?

[sacred seal]

Probably, its pudget systems

[mossy gull]

I know Acer also had Vision D and those were very solid machines, pricey but solid.

@iron rock, maybe ask @jade scaffold for 2nd hand SSD advice, they know much more about it.
I only buy new😅

[sacred seal]

I would not go second hand with a SSD in most cases. SSDs are pretty relyable in general, and decently cheap now

[jade scaffold]

if you buy second hand SSDs make sure the seller tells you the remaining reads and writes on it

thats like the only rule

[mossy gull]

I seen too many Samsung and Adata drives die prematurely 😅

[jade scaffold]

Data centre drives tend to have more left on them due to the scheduled nature of replacing drives in data centres

honestly you can get a 4tb Crucial Gen 4 SSD for like $230 or something

[mossy gull]

I can remember the day I got 2 4TB Corsair MP600 for €180.- each😅
Week later they were past €230.-

[iron rock]

I do not want 2nd hand

[jade scaffold]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-Plus-PCIe-Gen4-Internal/dp/B0CCNCW5QX/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3JPY0TSWE0G49&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.swAcq1wbaDdkQyyRxHcxvXI36hhBDBpKvuhs2lc4Vg6phFC3xW_xOhrRq2uj1xCy92jcAmO0TWuUWZSlZEOJy3gutpht4pz3t0rtQMoK09fQq5bsVJ3tDuUY7Cpg9uxrfsPlxLAw6da3XtGEWLYzeLOHmd-CngWDZXJik3GEPt-EGNjTN6DGuJF2tsvZmaa0Uo1PSHp56mCw6rbr7TAngMiiwNew691PgWm9remKDC4.cltLl84_ynrHTJUFy52hNjRh8SYp-HsWFeze6sTP7CE&dib_tag=se&keywords=crucial+4tb&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1727994871&sprefix=Cruscial+4t%2Caps%2C73&sr=8-4&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.16386313-b7bf-4b29-bfa1-0d3d5f3a0dd5

This drive is a pretty good value option

its also made by crucial so all the chip components will be Micron so they are very good quality too

[jade scaffold]

Solidigm are the best SSD manufacturer around probably

[mossy gull]

I can confirm, Crucial are reliable, much more reliable than Samsung currently.

[jade scaffold]

Solidigm used to literally be Intels SSD devision which are and still remain some of the highest quality SSDs ever produced

[mossy gull]

And the P42 I think is called isn't expensive at all for an SSD

[jade scaffold]

the P41 plus is about 50 per TB which is as far as value goes pretty good

[mossy gull]

Even the P44 Pro I got wasn't that expensive, like €140.- for 2TB.

Considering the Samsung 980 Pro goes for €130.- here

[jade scaffold]

as for mobo I wouldnt recomend anything from Asrocks consumer line
their server line and pro line products are possibly the most reliable in the industry but i have yet to have a good experience with a consumer board from asrock

Asus's issue is with warrente and over charging for unnessesary repairs but otherwise their boards should be pretty reliable. Depending on where you are in the world Gigabytes customer service can be pretty bad i think its decent in the US tho and i dont know much about MSI

[mossy gull]

Gigabyte's customer service for example is near non-existent in the Netherlands, I had nothing but bad luck with them.

I don't repair many Asus gear, usually it's just a CMOS reseat and done.

With MSI and Gigabyte it's literally dead slots on the motherboard, last MSI I replaced the board in got 2 dead SATA and 3 dead RAM slots, and it was an MSI Tomahawk B350 board.

[jade scaffold]

the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite Is the mobo i used to run for my AM4 build my friend has it now never had a issue with it and my brother has the mini itx version of it and thats been flawless too

as for SSDs any SSD from:
Crucial, Solidigm/intel, Kioxia will be unfailingly reliable and all 3 brands offer extremely solid warentee so just look for which ever is cheapest from thoes brands and you will be good.

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: I never held a Kioxia SSD😅

[mossy gull]

I already advised Solidigm, but they didn't really seem to like the unknown brand😅

[iron rock]

no, I just never heard of them

and if i never heard of them because they are mostly known in server storage circles it probably means I either cant afford them or cant easily get them

but i will look

[mossy gull]

Luckily Crucial does sell to normal customers.
So those drives are easy to find, Solidigm is a tad harder to find but they're still out there.

[sonic meadow]

In a weird twist of weirdness, wake on lan got reenabled on my PC. It's not a feature I really care about.. except it makes the nic LEDs blink when my PC is off

[jade scaffold]

They do have a couple of well priced consumer drives the p41 plus should be reasonably priced

[cinder lagoon]

"your phone has new features"
Yay.jpg
First explanation is for an AI image editor
Example edit did not work great, did not cut out parts of the hair which is now beneath the person's crotch
Description text is garbage
Sums it up pretty much
Pic related

[sacred seal]

Does the assignment tell you why you are upgrading this pc?

[balmy flicker]

I dont see why the CPU would need an upgrade unless you are doing a lot of CPU heavy work

[sacred seal]

Yeah, without knowing what exactly this pc is supposed to be doing, it's difficult to recommend how to upgrade it. 1000 euro is a lot

What res?

A machine built for 1080p is a different beast then one for 8k

I would suggest messageing the prof to see if you can get more details because as written this assignment is to vauge.

[jade scaffold]

Honestly as far as CPU goes there isn't much of an upgrade path

11th gen was a whole bunch of nearly the same thing clocked differently

[sacred seal]

To start though, i would look at puget system benchmarks to get a feel for what is out there

Budget is 1k, mentions ryzen, this might be more of a full build then a upgrade

[mossy gull]

I would avoid ADATA as much as possible, they're known for reliability issues

Oh😅

[jade scaffold]

Could go Ryzen 5000 that way you can reuse ram

Can get the 5900x for dirt cheap

[mossy gull]

I don't remember if Intel did release a B550 chipset, but to my knowledge, that's an AMD board.
Meaning the CPU won't work with the board

Better question, what stores are near you?

[sacred seal]

Yeah, good catch, that system they gave you to start with cant even be put together.

Ither the prof is incompetent in which case it doesnt really matter what you do, or something has gone very wrong with the assignment and you should double check with them.

[mossy gull]

The advantages of having an AMD board is that the 5900X and 5950X are still great CPUs for budget systems

[sacred seal]

Well that assumes the assignment intended to give them a non functioning PC

[mossy gull]

Non-functioning can also mean a dead CPU, which means board still can be fine😅

[sacred seal]

No, that is not the point. This is a hypothetical system, no actual parts to die. However if the assignment specifies a system that is non functional, something has probably gone wrong

[balmy flicker]

thing is I built my PC on 1.2k from the ground up with with a 12600k and a 3060. odds are you could upgrad what you need on that PC compleetly for 1k

[mossy gull]

@prisma halo would this be a start, you just have to look if you can get some if not all components near you
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/phyZn6

As I couldn't sort on store, most you can get from Newegg except the cooler

Want me to make a finnish list?

Slightly weaker CPU
https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/rFGtXk

If your workflow is editing video, Intel GPUs are pretty great

With GPUs

• Intel is good with encoding which is good for video
• AMD has tons of VRAM for a lower price than Nvidia
• Nvidia currently is the overall king but currently not the cheapest

[sonic meadow]

while I do approve of the noctua fans in general, you dont need to spend 26€/ea on fans. the 7€/ea arctic fans the same website (heck, the ones being upgraded from) are plenty. unless there is specific requirements around noise that is, and even then you can do less expensive than the noctuas

[sonic meadow]

it all looks fine to me. the only thing that might have concerned me was the gpu power connectors on that power supply (not sure if it had the 16pin or not {it doesnt}), but the gpu itself only has an 8 pin.
if the pc was actually going to be built... I would try and find one with the 16pin gpu connector (sometimes advertised as pcie5 or something)

not because it is needed now, but because it allows for upgrades later

[mossy gull]

Intel is scummy
https://youtube.com/shorts/YTQNrINjvGA

[jade scaffold]

Hey look another Moore's law is dead drug fueled rant

Coulda swore he didn't use to be this bad

[mossy gull]

Intel's still scummy 😅

[jade scaffold]

No what actually is happening is AMDs chipsets like their io controllers in their cpus are 400 different degrees of dogshit and unsuitable for itx boards

[jade scaffold]

So are AMD they literally aren't any better

The reason amd laptops aren't more common is because and treat board partners in the CPU space the same way Nvidia do in the GPU space

[mossy gull]

I know🙃

@jade scaffold what do you think of the GPD Duo?

[jade scaffold]

Haven't seen it

Probably several orders of magnitude too expensive using a bad choice of processor for a hand held

[mossy gull]

https://gpd.hk/gpdduo

[mossy gull]

It's not a handheld

[jade scaffold]

It's the Lenovo 9i

[mossy gull]

9i?
The GPD Duo is a dual screen laptop, I haven't seen any from Lenovo.

[jade scaffold]

literally the same thing

also really poor choice in CPU

AMD may have some advantage especially in the CPU area

but for a creator laptop guess what intel have?
oh blessed accelerators

[mossy gull]

I prefer the GPD, especially because you can take it with you like a normal laptop and still have a trackpad for if you want to use it when you don't have a desk or table big enough.

[jade scaffold]

you can with the lenovo laptop

the entire bottom screen can just be a keyboard and track pad or if you dont like touch keyboard the little detatchable one can go over the screen on the bottom then it turns the rest of the screen into a track pad

This is a fucking lie

you'd be lucky to get 7

i wouldnt even call this thing particularly portable its a BRICK

[mossy gull]

Detachable this, detachable that, when I had a Surface Pro the most annoying thing was the detachable keyboard.

Detachable keyboards aren't that nice to have

[jade scaffold]

then just use the screen as one also the lenovo one aparently works really well

which i believe i had the great grandfather to that lenovo and it was actually amazing

[mossy gull]

Touch works ass in office applications.

Also, with the GPD Duo you don't have to use both screens, you also can just use 1.

[jade scaffold]

you can with the lenovo too

and without carring an inch thick brick round with you

[mossy gull]

On the go as well, without a keyboard, while needing mouse precision?

[mossy gull]

I am a Surface Book user, which is pretty thich when folded.

[jade scaffold]

not THAT thick

[mossy gull]

It is thick, especially at the hinge

[jade scaffold]

anything thick enough to fit nearly 2 full sized ethernet ports stacked ontop of eachother is not portable

[mossy gull]

I rather have good cooling and partial upgradebility over as thin and possibly and unable to even swap the SSD and have cooling issues.

[jade scaffold]

you'd rather have
no battery life even in brick form factor?

because that kinda size is not and will never be needed for a processor like that

i think dual screen laptops generally are a poor gimic

but this gpd laptop is the exemplar of poorly executed gimic

[mossy gull]

I probably can get it to last like 6+ hours, which is enough for me as my laptops are mostly connected to power.

[mossy gull]

The 1 from Lenovo is more clunky than the 1 from GPD.
It's a portable machine that needs too much accessoires to work like a normal laptop.

[jade scaffold]

any aplication that requires 2 screens stacked that way is the kind of aplication better suited to a thinn and light you do not need a poorly balanced 12 core monstrosity

[jade scaffold]

its not

its really really not its literally 3 USB C ports thick at its very thickest point the GPD is 2 whole ass ethernet ports thick at its thickest point

[mossy gull]

Detachable keyboard with no trackpad, ever used a Surface Pro in a spot without table?

[jade scaffold]

which for such a baby bitch gpu is too thick

[jade scaffold]

trackpad is on the screen for one for 2 detatchable keyboard attatches to the laptop screen if you want to just use it as a normal laptop

literally just

its still thicker than i'd like it to be

the OG Yoga book is still the thinnest laptop i have ever seen and its amazing for just doing random office crap on the go

[mossy gull]

You still have a detachable keyboard, which is for me already a let-down.

[jade scaffold]

like its not even a joke the GPD one is literally just a rippoff of the same thing their specs are almost identical apart from the lenovo one using the older intel 100 series chip

[mossy gull]

On the go you can't have 2 screens and a keyboard, you have to choose which for me is a no-go.

I travel a lot by train, and anything that isn't attached to the laptop directly is a pain in the ass

[jade scaffold]

neat

anyway

pick a laptop thats actually good

not any trash dual screen peice of shit

including either the lenovo or the GPD one

because both of them are worthless trash

[mossy gull]

I mean, currently the GPD Duo is pretty much the only alternative to my Surface Book.
And the Surface Laptop Studio is insanely expensive for the specs you get.

I don't like flip around devices like the Yoga because the keyboard would be laying on the desk if I just want to use the display.

And the Oculink is nice to have for external GPUs, Thunderbolt is still too slow.

[jade scaffold]

this is the original yoga book its OLD OLD now

this thing is the king of I want to get shit done on the go it'll it in a coat pocket it'll last 12 hours on battery

[jade scaffold]

thunderbolt is literally 50% faster than occulink

[mossy gull]

That keyboard was shit

[jade scaffold]

it was not

it was fine

not an amazing keyboard but it was fine

[mossy gull]

Most devices have Thunderbolt 3 or 4, which is slower than Oculink.

[jade scaffold]

i used it through out high school and college

[jade scaffold]

yea

but here me out here

Y O U DONT NEED THAT SPEED

you have never once demonstrated the need for that speed

[mossy gull]

I use an external GPU, and Thunderbolt is 20 to 30% slower than Oculink

[jade scaffold]

you have several deviced using similar calibure of hardware that arent even close to a fraction fast enough to use a fucking 3090

if you want to buy this trash duo laptop thats a fat ass brick and has dogshit batterylife go for it

[mossy gull]

I am used to my 12 hour battery going down to 3 hours by just watching YouTube, my Surface Book does that.

[cinder lagoon]

"12 hour" haha lol

Those things barely last 3

In ANY case

At least with windows

[mossy gull]

My Surface Book had an advertised 12 hour battery 😅

Never did I reach that

[cinder lagoon]

Yea back then lying about the battery was way more common it seems. Nowadays you can actually give a hoot about the advertised runtime

[mossy gull]

When I watch video on my AyaNeo Flip DS, I can get 6 hours of video if I turn off the lower display.
Which for me is a lot😅

[jade scaffold]

but my opinion is,

This laptop is for no one

Occulinks 1 advantage which now no-longer exists anyway is wasted on a slow processor

it has possibly the single worst processor ever designed for mobile applications

its dual screen mode likely cannot be used on the lap due to the weight.

Its 5x thicker than ANY alternative im almost certain i can just carry round a 13" laptop and a extra 13" screen in my backpack and it'd take up less space

[jade scaffold]

thats a fucking lie

a single screen laptop running amds latest and greatest can only just about manage that

at like 50% brightness too

[mossy gull]

I use to do that, it's pretty sluggish when you lack space, more often than not I didn't use it, I still have it on my backpack if I want to watch a movie through my phone.

[mossy gull]

Who says I need 400+ nits in a dark room😐

Even my laptop is mostly on 50% brightness

[jade scaffold]

50% brightness was like 300 because OLEDs be like

now imagine running 2 OLEDs

like thats an extra 5w atleast

[mossy gull]

Imagine not using 2 displays when watching a video

[jade scaffold]

imagine doing work and only getting 4 hours of battery doing nothing but spreadsheets

[mossy gull]

My Excel and Publisher have a black background, so no issue

[jade scaffold]

meanwhile

thats the 365 as well not the 370 which has 20% more cores and a like 40% bigger GPU

[mossy gull]

What's the battery size

[jade scaffold]

75WH it literally says it

[cinder lagoon]

Just re-installed my work laptop. (a coworker dev had previously had it)
excited to see the new battery life.
Was about 55 minutes last I checked (with everything possible turned down)
Its an XP17 with dGPU - expectations from you guys?

[mossy gull]

Oh😅

[mossy gull]

XPS 17?

[cinder lagoon]

Yes

Mb

[jade scaffold]

AMDs latest chips are a joke you are really only beating a 14th gen Intel Chip by 40 min

AMDs chips are efficient if hit permenantly as hard as possible their general use efficiency though is like really really really dogshit

[mossy gull]

Last XPS I had in my hands lasted roughly 5 hours on full battery and fresh Windows, although I run Edge or Apple Music and Excel or Publisher.

That was the XPS 16

[cinder lagoon]

Also one with dGPU?

[mossy gull]

I also like performance when I sit on the sofa where I sometimes do some 3D stuff.
I currently use my Surface Book for that but it lately just feels weak.

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.dell.com/de-de/shop/cty/xps-17-laptop/spd/xps-17-9720-laptop

[mossy gull]

I believe it was the 3060

[jade scaffold]

yea guess what

at anything under 30w you arent gonna see a meaninfull difference

this is basically entierly down to intels IO controller not being the single greatest crime ever comited by man

AMDs Memory controlers CHUG power especially if you are running anything over DDR5 6000 they have to burn power

[mossy gull]

On the sofa I can run full power, and the SB2 can pull 100w I believe.
So only a win-win if I get more performance while using less power.
And the HX370 can do like 60w in the GPD Duo.

[cinder lagoon]

Dang now I'm getting hopeful

[jade scaffold]

you already have a Ayoneo flip

WHICH IS JUST AS FAST FOR GAMES

[mossy gull]

If I can run a 5900HX for 5 hours, I believe I can make the Duo at least run 4 hours 😅

[mossy gull]

I can't 3D on the Flip, too small.

[jade scaffold]

like the only real advantage AMDs latest chips have over their old ones is their CPUs are faster and they have more AI power

GPU wise they are identical

its not even the new architecture its the same old one so we dont even get to see any fancy stuff

[mossy gull]

The HX 370 can dedicate more VRAM to the GPU though, my 8840U can do up to 14GB, I would like to go slightly higher than that.

[jade scaffold]

it can

but it wont

[mossy gull]

I have reached 12GB of "VRAM" usage on my 8840U in Starfield and Star Citizen 😅
Although SC was chugging along without external GPU

[jade scaffold]

not what i mean

[mossy gull]

And I have HD mods in Starfield

[jade scaffold]

i more so mean getting more than 32 gb and acceptable performance on HX370

is literally impossible

you pick subpar performance

and higher capacity or lower capacity and acceptable performance

which DRAM Clock may not change what will change is overall latency which is what actually matters

[mossy gull]

Well, I need "VRAM", performance isn't really that important, I am used to 5 or so fps with 3D stuff.
That's what I want to get it for, my SB2 runs out of memory when I do my 3D stuff.

[jade scaffold]

okay

then get a good laptop with it in

if you are gonna buy a big stupid brick

buy one with a big stupid battery

like if you get a 100wh battery atleast you might get decent battery life

[mossy gull]

I have the MSI Titan 18HX, which gets heavy after 30 minutes of use😅
And my drawing display isn't that portable

[jade scaffold]

yea the display on the GPD laptop will be unacceptably bad for drawing

no laptop which advertises being good for drawing unless it has a literal drawing tablet built into it

will be total ass for drawing

[mossy gull]

4000 points of pressure sensitivity, which hopefully is as good as my 2000 of pressure sensitivity on my Huion display

[jade scaffold]

"4000"

it wont be

it never is

[mossy gull]

I was thinking on getting the iPad Pro, but then I'll be constantly dealing with Apple's shinanigans when moving files over.

[jade scaffold]

honest to god probably worth it

cant believe im saying this

the IPad pro is one of the few apple devices i think is genuinely just amazing as a product

thinn light portable powerful LONG battery

godly screen

screens on the newer IPad pros are almost offensivly good

[mossy gull]

It's as much as the GPD and probably less versatile for me.
Especially because I don't like using hubs😐
I have an iPad Mini, with a pen, but often return to my Surface Book on the sofa.

[jade scaffold]

frankly you can get a 13" zenbook for like 1 grand with a 8840U in it or something

[mossy gull]

Then I need to carry a drawing tablet, I kinda need as least clutter as possible

[jade scaffold]

then just get the IPAD

hell get a last gen one

the last gen one is still god teir

infact i think the last gen one interoduced the stupidly good screen

yea you can ge the 2023 ipad pro for like sub 1k

thats just a good deal

[mossy gull]

For me it starts around 1200.- with 256GB with a mere 11" display

An 11 inch LCD edge-lit display

[jade scaffold]

and the gpd win is some what 1.8k

thats like a minimum too

that processor alone costs like 600

[mossy gull]

I was thinking with the Duo to get the 64GB variant and upgrade the SSD with a 4TB SSD I have laying around.

Before you ask, I fill up the 32GB from my AyaNeo

[jade scaffold]

yea the minimum price will probs be over 1.8k

infact i'd be SHOCKED if it could be bought for less than 2.2 tbh

[mossy gull]

• Ipad Pro 13" with 2TB costs me 2.8K
• GPD Duo with 64GB RAM and 2TB SSD is 2.1K, I already have the 4TB SSD to upgrade it to.

[jade scaffold]

the Last gen win max 2 is 1.2k

thats disgusting

[mossy gull]

The GPD win is the reason I went with the Flip DS.
Which for me is cheaper than the Win

[jade scaffold]

and thats got a inferior screen vastly cheaper CPU literally a whole less screen a smaller battery

yea no way the Duo is gonna be less than 2k

its not happening

[mossy gull]

Like I said, 2.1K for me, the cheapest variant with the 8840U, 16GB RAM ane 512GB SSD is 1500.- for me

Long picture time 😃

That's 2100 dollars by the way

Not a bad price for a Surface Book compatitor

[jade scaffold]

Or

You could get a normal laptop with a vastly superior processor

Or one with the same for 50% less

[mossy gull]

A drawing display that's 16" still costs 500+ extra.
And the only other alternative is the ROG Z13 or Surface Laptop Studio, which both cost 2K for me

I like least clunky option 😅

And as long Qualcomm isn't properly supported, I won't think about getting 1

@jade scaffold unless you can recommend me a laptop, with a pen capable display, that doesn't cost almost 3K and doesn't need tons of accessories

[jade scaffold]

that is the most clunky option

its awfull for drawing A tiny display B THICK AS FUCK thats gonna hurt your hand using it as a drawing display

if you wanna burn money on trash go for it

[mossy gull]

I lay it on my lap, I am not holding it😅
But it's less clunky than a loose display

[mossy gull]

I don't know if it's me, but I do think AI cores, even slow 1 have an effect on how a system behaves.
Like in Star Citizen, it looks like the game runs better than it did last week, even though it's with only max 10%, it's less laggy and the frames are more smooth.

[jade scaffold]

How liable are cooler master PSUs to explode and kill my family

[jade scaffold]

It's just you

[mossy gull]

I mean, it went from unstable 20fps to stable-ish 30fps

[jade scaffold]

Just you

Ai hardware in products kinda sit unrelated they do consume some power even when turned off as all silicone in a silicon product will so in theory they reduce performance by like 1% when unused

But if you use them for upscaling they then give you performance sooo

[jade scaffold]

might at somepoint get a ASUS Zenbook S14
Love the design of it and aparently the quality of the S14 has historically been very very good

[mossy gull]

1 thing I can say.
DO NOT get the Pixel Watch 2 or 3 when you're outside the US.
Many functions are not enabled or don't have manual triggers.

[jade scaffold]

just been looking at some more lunar lake testing

and i found someone who did power normalised testing

where they limited total system power to only 15w

Cyberpunk 2077

Black myth wukong

because of lunarlakes exceedingly low system power consumption mostly in thanks to the entierty of important systems such as IO Wifi and RAM all being on the same 3n chip. when you limit overall system power like one might in a hand held it absolutely thrashes everything else

Results recorded here were in 720p but at the power limit there lunar lake would get 3.3 whole hours of 720p 30FPS on a steam deck OLEDs battery

also i love how this graph shows how comedically poorly ballenced the Z1 extreem is and how at lower powers it can loose to the steam deck despit being faster on paper

i do wonder tho how much more GPU intel could potentially cram into the Lunar lake chips if they didnt put an NPU like the NPU in lunar lake is pretty physically domminant

can see here the NPU is almost 2/3rds the size of the GPU theres also that space where the dummy tile is that goes unused

could possibly have been cool to have that be an enormous shared soc cache or something or just more gpu

[mossy gull]

There's 1 other thing to note, the RAM speed has a significant performance impact on iGPUs, and the Intel so far having 2133MT/s more RAM speed.

Like going from 6200MT/s to 7200MT/s on my AyaNeo already almost added 5fps to some games.
So what about we benchmark them with the same RAM speeds.

[sonic meadow]

Did that 15w include the screens? Because two of those list devices with screens, and screens can be.. power hungry

[jade scaffold]

Yes i believe so

Though the intel system is a high res OLED

[jade scaffold]

So is latency which intel wins by a landslide

Technically ran clock is irrelevant to performance

It's the overall latency that actually matters

Which is also impressive as despite having well in excess of 4x the decks resolution it still beats it at normalised power and it is the oled deck

[mossy gull]

I still would like to see when they have RAM speed that's roughly the same as the rest.
2000MT/s more is a lot.

[jade scaffold]

It is yea

As well as having like CL8

Vs the 22 or so everything else will be running

[mossy gull]

So basically currently Intel has the lead because of RAM speed and latency.
So AMD has to pick up the pace and put X3D and/or some dedicated HBM on it for the GPU.

Even if the CPU are all the AMD C cores, that dedicated VRAM can make the difference.
And HBM is small enough to fit on the package.

[jade scaffold]

It makes a big difference especially cos intel have in effect a 3-4x memory speed advantage

Amds issue is that their mem controllers are slow they are incapable of achieving such speeds and latency

[mossy gull]

What if they get a better memory controller and HBM VRAM for the GPU?

[jade scaffold]

Well not without extreme power consumption keep in mind here the ram on lunar lake is running at 2w

For everyone else they are doing 4-10w on memory depending on speed proximity mounting type

[mossy gull]

Then they should make new ones, there's no excuse that AI won't be able to help these brilliant minds.

[sacred seal]

AI in its current iteration is not going to be useful for this kind of work for awhile yet

[jade scaffold]

I don't think you understand how advanced mem controllers are

[mossy gull]

No I don't, I make UV sensing sensors, not memory controllers

[jade scaffold]

The mem controller is quite possibly the most complex part of a CPU outside of the core

[jade scaffold]

500mb of cache at 5ghz

CHRIST

[mossy gull]

I dont know if thats good or bad :p

[jade scaffold]

The 7800x3D has 96 at 4.8

5x the cache 10% higher IPC slightly higher clock

[mossy gull]

So basically really good

[jade scaffold]

Yea

128 gen 5 lanes too

[mossy gull]

Well, I guess I found my new CPU for Star Citizen 😅

[jade scaffold]

It's 4.2 k

[mossy gull]

Oh..........................................................

Sad me

[jade scaffold]

its a server cpu

the zen 4 equivilant to it i have is a 3.8k processor if you buy it new

[mossy gull]

Sad me

They should release a consumer or prosumer CPU with 512MB cache

[jade scaffold]

How tho

Normal x3d chips are barely big enough for 200mb

AMD are likely to at some point release a 1536MB cache CPU for their server line up

[sonic meadow]

just stick a socket on the back of the board right behind the cpu just for cache 😆

[cerulean helm]

Okay, Intels new consumer cpus and z890 chipset have 48 pcie lanes.

[jade scaffold]

That's pretty cool

Hope it's as impressive efficiency wise as lunar lake

That would be nice

[mossy gull]

I am happy they finally add more PCIe lanes😅

@jade scaffold will the new Intel CPUs support AVX-512?

[cerulean helm]

No, the new Core Ultra chips will not support avx-512.

[mossy gull]

That's a bummer

[mossy gull]

The program I use for work supports it😅

[jade scaffold]

They support the replacement for it

I think the replacement for it does a really do avx512 too

[mossy gull]

Replacement questionmark

[jade scaffold]

Yea new codex dint remember what it's called

[jade scaffold]

Compooter

[surreal moss]

Fancy

[sonic meadow]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

[jade scaffold]

When I did that it rapidly disassembled itself

[timber barn]

What is that case?

Want to go mini next build too

[jade scaffold]

Fractal ridge

https://amzn.eu/d/huqeH96

[timber barn]

awesome case

was eying the Terra but this one is sweet too

[mossy gull]

Nice little case

[frozen igloo]

Is there any way I can record a growing mp4 file to edit in davinci without hardware like a hyperdeck?

[mossy gull]

Have you tried XBox Gamebar?

[frozen igloo]

I have not, I think I may be able to get obs to work

I’m going to be using a black magic video assist and using its webcam output to get video to my computer and put the growing file into davinci for instant replay

[cinder lagoon]

What

You can already do instant replays in obs, just need to configure it

Mp4 is not the right container for processing while writing tho

OBS has made a hack-around so MP4 recordings that don't get finished properly can still be read / recovered but its not meant for that.
Use mkv instead.

[silk jasper]

Alright so right now I’m in the process of updating my somewhat aged budget PC while I await to acquire the more modern and expensive bits for a long term build. And was wondering what would be good GPU options to pair onto a Ryzen 7 5800X. Money isn’t too big of an issue so much as I don’t want to dump an over exorbitant amount of money into this unit.

Right now the setup I have is a 3050 and a 5600X

[jade scaffold]

You could go as fast as the rtx 3090

No real point in upgrading the CPU tbh

Kinda a side grade really

So 3080 3080ti 3090 4070 super
Rx 6800xt 6900xt 7800xt would all be decent choices

You can get any of the last gen ones for dead cheap off of eBay

You can get a Rx 6900xt from £350-450 off of eBay

[cinder lagoon]

I would not recommend buying a GPU RIGHT NOW because 50 series is right around the corner.
I would go for a then last gen 4080 which I would suspect will come down to about 1000 flat.

79000XT would be just about the same performance but a little bit cheaper

[cinder lagoon]

Also do NOT spring for a non-3D chip.
I know the 5800X3D is for whatever reason completely sold out right now but it should be available for a maximum of 350 bucks (which is what I paid for mine about a year ago)

If you want a CPU upgrade on that platform do also not settle for less, it's not really worth it

[sacred seal]

There is also the 5700x3d which I am fairly sure is faster then the 5800x

[cinder lagoon]

Yes

At LEAST in gaming

[mossy gull]

I seen working 3090 for 650.- last time I looked on it, which is still a good GPU

[silk jasper]

Well like I said money isn’t an issue so much as I don’t wanna drop insane amount of money here. Admittedly I was looking at a 4060ti 16GB (seems like a fairly priced option to replace my 3050 6GB) as for the processor as for the 5800X3D I’ve seen that chip running as high as $400-$430. While looking into the 5800X/XT chips.

I may not have specified my stinginess on this upgrade prior so my apologies

[sacred seal]

The preformance difference between a 4060ti and a 3050 is substantive, but I dont know if it would be worth buying a new GPU for

[silk jasper]

The 6 GB VRAM is killing me otherwise I’d probably keep it

[sacred seal]

You sure its the vram?

Vram ussage is difficult to monitor, there are cases where vram is the issue, but more often then not its something else

Windows desktop currently thinks its using 26GBs of vram. I only have 16

[silk jasper]

Well presumably. I don’t really know what else it could be tbh. But fair.

Though probably not helped by the fact I push my GPU pretty hard

[sacred seal]

What res are you targeting, and what games?

Assuming games

[silk jasper]

I’d like to be able to play some games in 1440p.

I think the most GPU intensive game I play a lot is Cyberpunk. And while it runs Alr I’d like to at least have better frames with RT running.

Though in your opinion would it be better to spend the extra 200-ish dollars on a 4070ti Super?

[sacred seal]

I'm supprised CP even does rt on a 3050. I am pretty sure it doesnt have much in the way of RT cores

[silk jasper]

Like I said

I push it

Very hard

[sacred seal]

I am not sure what the current meta for GPUs are, but as a rule of thumb I would be looking at something in the 4070 class

[silk jasper]

Gotcha. I’ve seen people love on the 4070ti Super and admittedly the price is not actually that bad on average either.

[sacred seal]

When upgrading a GPU, you are spending the money of a full card, but you only get a little bit of performance uplift. As such, higher end cards tend to offer better value

As an example you could spend the 200 odd dollars a 3050 costs, and get 0% extra preformance

[silk jasper]

That’s fair. I’m just being cheap because I’m ima set myself back a pretty penny on the Jewel in the Crown for my op build

[sacred seal]

If you are only planning on running it for a short time, I would keep the 3050.

[silk jasper]

While I didn’t have intentions originally my original Mobo was damaged to a point of replacement, which had the added hang of a new windows license so that kinda set me back more than I wanted to

[sacred seal]

Get a grey market licence, they cost like 5$s normally

[silk jasper]

At least a year tbh

Maybe a year and a half at most. It shouldn’t take me much longer than that to acquire all the parts for the new one

It’s more so I’m holding out for parts that aren’t even out yet. So it’s kinda got me skeptical on how long I need to hold for

[sacred seal]

GPUs should be out in like 3 months

[silk jasper]

I’m waiting on GPU and CPU drops

[sacred seal]

You can get your new GPU and then swap out the CPU latter

[silk jasper]

I mean yeah but Ryzen CPU’s shouldn’t drop much later than the GPU’s so I wasn’t really gonna bother

[sacred seal]

As long as you are not targeting high frame rates (144+) your computer probably does not care much about what CPU it runs

[silk jasper]

Couple months at most I imagine

Admittedly worried about how hot the new rig will run once it’s done.

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah second the fact that vram usage is hard to monitor (I'm using afterburners overlay function to monitor process and whole system usage and after configuration it seems pretty reliable).
What you can do easily tho is turn down the texture size in game and see if morale improves

I would not spring for a cpu upgrade, only the GPU in this case

Or if you can get a good deal on a used 5800X3D

[silk jasper]

Noted!

[jade scaffold]

Yea the 5600x in most games will perform pretty much the same as the 5800x

The 5800x3D would be a decent upgrade for most games

[mossy gull]

That's not good
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/qualcomm-cancels-snapdragon-dev-kit-refunds-all-orders

[cinder lagoon]

😐😐

Not too concerning tbh
Surely they stomped this dev kit but sounds like they'll be continuing Windows on Quallcomm

[mossy gull]

Many say that they should've released the devkit before the release of the SoC itself and not afterwards

[cinder lagoon]

Of course, given that they seemingly rushed that devkit tho...?

[jade scaffold]

tbf

a snap dragon dev kit is kinda useless

especially when you can get a laptop with on in for less probably

[mossy gull]

That's why it should've been released before the laptops/tablets

[jade scaffold]

yea i agree

[jade scaffold]

Dellid of the new arrow lake chips

[mossy gull]

They tiny boys

[jade scaffold]

yea TSMC 3N node

intel also arrange their chips as tiles rather than chiplets

[timber barn]

So an intel chip by TSMC?

[jade scaffold]

yes for this gen atleast

basically Intels Node wouldnt be ready for when they wanted it and TSMCs was

[cerulean helm]

Interesting. Ubiquiti has made a 7 bay NAS and its own NAS software.
https://store.ui.com/us/en/products/unas-pro?

[mossy gull]

I might get 1😅

They're cheaper than the competition here.

[cerulean helm]

Looked at a couple basic reviews of it. Software is really basic. No backup software, just a bare bones NAS. I imagine they will end up with a pc backup software of some kind.
Also still dissapoin ted they keep using Toshiba HDD drives despite the years of problems with them.

[mossy gull]

Well, I have some experience with Ubiquiti's early access program.
Yes their EA program they have basic software till it releases.

And Toshiba drives, you still can choose what drives you want to throw in yourself, they don't force you to use theirs.

But they're much cheaper than the competition, in the Netherlands we have mostly Synology that makes ready to use NAS, and for 8 bays it's €2000.- if you want 1 with 10 gig, compared to the €800.- of the Ubiquiti.

[cerulean helm]

Wow, the price difference is the EU is a lot. The Ubiquiti NAS in the US is $445.

[mossy gull]

21% tax, so all I did was a rough calculation 😅

My bad, that would be roughly ±600.-

But yeah, compared to Synology, Ubiquiti is cheap.

[jade scaffold]

Ryzen 9800X3D clocked at 5.6GHZ with an ES sample

all core to btw

THAT is insane

that is a whopping in theory 35% increase in performance over the 7800x3D

[timber barn]

I wonder if that is the CPU to go or wait for the 9950X3D

(only gaming)

SC etc...

and a 5090 when it comes out

[jade scaffold]

yea the 9800x3D would be

Inter die Comms on ryzen still sucks balls

AMD really need to update their chiplet architecture

[mossy gull]

Intel isn't much faster than their 14th gen though.
Like the 7950X3D often still beats the 14900K in gaming because of the X3D that most games seem to like.

[jade scaffold]

yea but intels Arrow lake (15th gen I think maybe) has vastly vastly better chiplet interconnect

amd really do need to update theirs

its super fucking ass for no good reason really

wouldnt matter half as much how much cache is stacked ontop of a die if both dies can use it

[mossy gull]

Who knows what happens in the future, the 9xxxX3D isn't even released yet, so maybe the next 1 might be better.

[jade scaffold]

No but the 9900x and 9950x are

And their die to die connection is dog shit

[jade scaffold]

GB203

That die is tiny

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.heise.de/news/ARM-will-Qualcomm-die-Architekturlizenz-entziehen-9991681.html
Ahhh crap I missed it

Arm is trying to shoot down Quallcomm (Snapdragon X Elite etc) to re-negotiate their licensing fees for ARM architecture

I only got the Quallcomm papers because I thought "well that's promising" now I missed the profit window xF

Gonna get better tho - they'll come to an agreement, arm can't afford to leave out the newly acquired Windows market

[jade scaffold]

Arm can't afford to loose Qualcomm

[frozen igloo]

How is the MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk WiFi? I'm thinking about changing my motherboard, I currently have a 7700x in a msi b650vc. I would be upgrading for the m.2 slots primarily

[jade scaffold]

just buy an M.2 card

so much cheaper than 670E boards which cost to much and have a stroke with ram

[mossy gull]

This is kinda disappointing
https://youtu.be/zY7_Pb9URgg

[jade scaffold]

ehhh

Its the same kinda thing as with ryzen 9000

its more efficient

but its not actually faster than last gen

Ryzen9000X3D is where the fun stuffs gonna be at

chances are the 9800x3D could be 35% faster than the 7800x3D and im really interested to see how they've done it and whats changed architecturally with 3D V cache

intels new architecture is great but its fundimentally the same as lunar lake and as previously discussed while lunar lake has absurd efficiency at low power when the power gets higher it does loose in efficiency

but i think its atleast a good point for intel to start improving from