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mossy gull
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Around 350w to 550w

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With 550w being only when heavily overclocked

balmy flicker
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I think the wattage for my entire PC is in the low 200s yah high end GPUs getting their own PSU is making way to much sense

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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US and canada from what I know

mossy gull
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Personally, I think power cables have to be revised, we're in 2024, not 1975.

balmy flicker
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also separate PSU only partially solves the issue you are better off just installing a beefier circet for your computer room

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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there are circets that are built for it in most homes like say the fridge circit or some of the other kitchen ones (tosters and such are not low wattage)

mossy gull
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But on 240v

balmy flicker
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I mean we have those to but they are for eclectic stoves

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its not like we don't have 240v we just have it in two phases which is usefull at times

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just we only use 240v for big stuff like built in AC, stoves, and dryers

mossy gull
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We just have 240v because that's what's delivered to our doorstep

balmy flicker
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same for us but we get 240 split into 2 cables running 180deg out of faze which lets us do both

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I can show you a breaker box which shows it better

mossy gull
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It's just weird you have 240v but not use it for anything else

balmy flicker
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one side is one phase one side is the other and the 240 stuff takes both sides

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we use it for big stuff you celling fan does not need it nor do light bulbs but when we do use it the cables used are heavy duty and at this point it will be to much of a pain to change

mossy gull
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Still, why not go to full 240v like the rest of the advanced countries.

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Like I hear many US people having a hard time going past 1200w even, and in EU we can do 4KW no problem

balmy flicker
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again it depends on the circit also we rebuilt your countries in the 1950 it is not an advancement it is a lack of copper

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we need to run thicker wires to handled the higher amps required to deliver more watts

mossy gull
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I mean, in the US it's much easier, in EU majority of power lines are underground

balmy flicker
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wrong wires

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the issue is the ones in the walls of the house not the ones going into the breaker box those are 240

mossy gull
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Still, 240v is much better as many stuff is just build for it.
There's electronics that actually have problems running at lower than 200v

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Just like PSUs, I had a 1600w in my hands a while back that only could do 1000w on 110v

balmy flicker
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where was it built for

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that is a breaker box in NA the ones with bars are 240

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so top left and the top 2 on the right

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the center of that box is ground

mossy gull
mossy gull
# balmy flicker

Why are you using 2 breakers for 240v and not like 1 breaker like the EU

balmy flicker
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more likely they are built to where they are being sold and will have issues if they are els where

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that is because we get our 240 in 2 120v wires that are 180deg out of faze

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4&pp=ygUXdXMgdXNlcyAyNDB2IGNvbmVjdGlvbnM%3D

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Technology Connections
The US electrical system is not 120V

It's more than 120V. It's even more than the other 120V! It is the sum of the two (and sometimes a different two!) that makes us who we are. Learn about the US electrical system in this not-at-all snarky video!

Would you care for some links?

Firstly are foremostly, here's that video about fans I referenced;
https://youtu.be/hQ3GW7lVBWY

And ot...

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that vid explains it

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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that is not how physics works

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if you want effiency you buid to one spec

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a PSU in NA need 2x as many amps as one in EU or SEA

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remember CA and mexico use the same power system as the US

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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see none of the ones I have used have had they they would simply blow the magic smoke if you did so

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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and most will fail if you do that

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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I mean you will need ones that can plug in to the US outlets in the first place
but it is an issue for US if we go to the EU while yours will strugle to do the job as they were never designed to handle the amps required to do the job

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also if you are going to the states just buy one in the states same as I would do if I went to the EU they also make intenationa PSU for suff like phones

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the international ones often have interrogatable plugs

mossy gull
# balmy flicker also if you are going to the states just buy one in the states same as I would d...

You know that PSUs are build to work both on 110v and 240v?
If I had to replace my PSU I have to spend 400.-.
The thing is that some grids cannot provide the power for a 1600w PSU because it runs on 110v, it would be capable if it was on 240v.
I believe in parts of Florida a single breaker only can deliver up to 1200w, someone I know from there told me that.
He has a Ax1600i in his PC, but it only can output 1200w because the lack of 240v.
He wants to build a 240v in his house because of this reason.

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Oops, I meant California, not Florida

balmy flicker
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that is a CA power issue the state has rolling brown outs like a third world contry each summer

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I run 120 and and upto 40 wats on some circuits that is 4.8kw

mossy gull
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I mean, I was surprised his PSU only could output 1200w while it's a 1600w PSU

balmy flicker
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that is likely due to the circet in his how haveing issues

mossy gull
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It just sounds weird

balmy flicker
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ask him if he lives in a boom house

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between 06 and 08 homes were built to quickly with substandard components

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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oof well then is more an issue of livin out in the sticks

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should not be an issue but can be

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also might depend on how he gets his power

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still I would blame the circuit in question not the 110 power

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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IDK then I will blame CA or the building he is in

mossy gull
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All I know that my old PC would flip the breaker off.

balmy flicker
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I can get 2.4kw to most walls but some are only 1800 there should be no issue with his 1600w PSU should not be an issue even on the 15amp light circets the wall outlest are all 20 in my appartmet

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that or lastly his PSU is poorly made

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again if it was built to work in the US is should be able to pull the amps needed to make the rated power

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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then I would check the circuit for issues loose wires, corosion, etc

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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well it is CA but issues in the houce are more likely

mossy gull
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He's been in 2 houses the past 5 years with the exact same issue

balmy flicker
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then I would check the power supply it QA is not a pure science its statistics and bad parts still get through

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again if you advertise a PSU in the US as 1600W and it only does 1100 then you are going to run afoul of regulators

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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then it is the in home circit

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he need one that has a 30a limit like the ones found in a kitchen or garage

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but they are often not standard

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the issue is not the power delivery it is the circit is not rated for that many amps

mossy gull
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All I know he's trying to get 240v because of his PC, but so far I know it isn't directly possible

balmy flicker
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it is posible but it would be easier to run a 30 or 40a line

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unless CA code does not let you

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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yah you can get 40 amp breakers at homedepot

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granted a 120v 20a circit should be able to handle it

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what amp circit is he on

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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my guess is he is on a 15a circuit or that circuit is running more than just the PC on it which at that watage will nearly max out the circuit

mossy gull
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I wouldn't know, all I know I had to power limit his PC through software

cerulean helm
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The max wattage on most outlets in the U.S is 1800w. Thats accounting for a 15 amp circuit. A 20 amp circuit should be 2400 watts. The issue starts where you can only use 80% of that power in a circuit at once. So for a 15 amp circuit a wall outlet can safely handle 1440 watts. A 20 amp circuit would be 1920 watts.

What else is on the same circuit as the pc is also a contributing factor. More than likely the circuit the pc is on is a 15 amp. As 20 amp is usually not found in a living/family rooms or bedrooms/offices. So if this persons pc is tripping a breaker when its at or near 100% load that means he is overloading the entire circuit. At that point Id have to ask wtf is on that circuit where he is pulling more than 1440 watts.

My gaming rig, which Ive seen pull 750 watts under load on my ups, my ubiquiti dream machine pro, switch, ap, NAS are always on and pulling power and I have never tripped a breaker. My entire living room and guest bedroom are all on the same circuit with ancient 1950s wiring.

sly valley
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Okay, anyone know a good place where I can buy a gaming pc that can run arma and star citizen well?

Iā€™ve been told to check out websites like sky tech gaming and I buy power but know nothing of what I need to look for

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Itā€™s going to be my first ever rig so I wanna buy one that I can eventually upgrade!

surreal moss
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Generally the whatever 60 series graphics cards are able to handle either game, 32 GB of ram should set you up for several years without needing to upgrade, and the Raptor Lake cpus from Intel seem to be prety good options although I'm running an AMD Ryzen right now.

SC requires an SSD and Arma with mods needs disk space. I would recommend running two drives, one for the OS and can be smaller, and a larger (1 TB+) for the games to live on.

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What kind of budget are you looking at?

mossy gull
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Current gen AMD Ryzen X3D CPUs are really good

mossy gull
sly valley
sly valley
surreal moss
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oh, $2k should get you going real easy

mossy gull
surreal moss
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Are you on North America, EU, Australia, somewhere else?

sly valley
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North American

mossy gull
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$2K

surreal moss
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Do you have monitors, keyboard, mouse already?

mossy gull
sly valley
surreal moss
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They can be, yes

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lol

mossy gull
surreal moss
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I'm actually running a CyberPower PC and haven't really had problems with it. They've got a 4060 Ti for $1429 right now

sly valley
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Hot damn

mossy gull
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To be honest, I trust CyberPower more than SkyTech

surreal moss
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It's got RGB everywhere but you can turn it off easily enough

sly valley
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Cyber power. Noted

surreal moss
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I've never had to use their customer service. When I've bought from them it's because I couldn't be bothered to spec out the build myself. One of them eventually wound up as a completely different build in the original case when I sold it

mossy gull
surreal moss
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but, I would offer it's a good way to get a first pc to upgrade. They send all the manuals and boxes with

sly valley
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Oh thank goodness, Iā€™ll need them

surreal moss
mossy gull
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That's something you don't see that often anymore

surreal moss
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Sold it to a friend that sold it to another friend. I think the 980 got ripped out for a crypto miner and he's running some kind of server with the mobo and cpu

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Bought it 2015 I think, rebuilt it in 2016. Sold it 2019 when I moved to EU.

mossy gull
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I wish we had CyberPower here in the EUšŸ˜…

surreal moss
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You do, that was my replacement I bought in 2019 after I moved, and then left it behind when I came back to the US in 2021.

mossy gull
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Wait, I have been so out of touch with boutique buildersšŸ˜…

sly valley
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Thatā€™s a lot of words Iā€™ve yet to learn

mossy gull
# sly valley Thatā€™s a lot of words Iā€™ve yet to learn

A boutique pc builder is a company like CyberPower or Origin PCs that use components from example Asus and Corsair to build a PC to sell.

An OEM is basically like Lenovo, HP and even Asus, they only use their "own" components.

And then you have self-build, which ofcoarse, you build yourself.

sly valley
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Gotta write this down

mossy gull
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Lenovo, HP and Asus are easily upgradable OEMs, MSI is also an OEM but their systems are a bit more complex.

sly valley
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So stay away from them for the time being

mossy gull
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@sly valley also write down NZXT, they're both Boutique and OEM

mossy gull
surreal moss
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IMO if you're looking at getting something you want to upgrade yourself and learn I would avoid OEM builds

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The boutique/custom builders are using the same parts you have ready access to.

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They mark up for using their own stock and time/labor

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but at the end of the day it shouldn't be much different from anything anyone else can build themselves

mossy gull
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MSI is pretty annoying to work in, but Lenovo and HP use basic layout which I like.
NZXT systems are really nice, but that's because I like their parts.

sonic meadow
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Aaaaand, 178 days of uptime on my server gone because the piece of shit realtek network chip wouldn't come back to life

glacial canyon
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I've been trying to isolate voice from music and sound effects with audacity and sony vegas, and I'm seeing other programs specifically for this sort of thing. But are any of them actually any good?

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Lot of stuff to remove vocals that can theoretically do it the other way around...

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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and yea Max TDP isnt yet an issue but its definatly going to start becoming one for thoes not on high voltages

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i live in the UK so we got 230v 13A which our sockets are actually apparently rated for slightly over

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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the neather lands is like 220-240v i think the voltage aimed for is 230 tho

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and 16A

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it can probs like the UK socket reach up to 250v depending on how stable voltage is in the uk its +/- 6% or somthing

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and that max output is only temporary

glacial canyon
mossy gull
sacred seal
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It depends a lot on what kind of sources you are dealing with. If you have a clean wav of the audio you want to manipulate and a clean wav of the music, you can subtract one from the other.

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Once you start dealing with compressed audio, it becomes a absolute mess

mossy gull
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I love when people try to make Razer look like the almighty and call Synapse the best RGB software.
1 even told me my PC is so slow because I am not using Razer Boost.

sacred seal
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So I am trying to rebuild my BCD so I can use my SSD in a different computer (for some reason the bootloader was not installed on the same drive as my OS). However I am running into a "the system device cannot be found" error

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I have tried with both a UEFI and a bios configured USB stick

cinder lagoon
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I recommend doing a fresh install of windows on the new disk and cloning the System partition over to the "new" system partition.
Keep the recovery and move it to the end but you'll need to tell windows that there is a recovery partition some time

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Like I could get it to work with ya but its 2am here and I really gotta sleep

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Doi, your right, I am doing the repair in the wrong order

cinder lagoon
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No that is the correct (but longer to explain) order

sacred seal
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I think I found the right guide now. Thanks for pointing that out

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Does the EFI partition need to be in front of the OS partition?

cinder lagoon
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The command for linking the recovery partition is reagentc
just use the free ( šŸ“ā€ā˜ ļø ? ) version of easybcd to edit the windows boot menu but it can't create a new boot loader.
The boot loader is stored in the efi partition

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Thought so

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Will use gparted to make space then

cinder lagoon
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Good idea! - 512MiB is perfect size for it but apparently 100 also works

sacred seal
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Better safe then sorry

cinder lagoon
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This is the go-to setup:
EFI, Windows System, Windows Recovery then Linux System.
I prefer to install windows, then linux because the ubuntu installer does a good job of making a UEFI boot selector

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Aight, good luck!
Will be back tmrw

sacred seal
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Thanks for the advice

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I totally brain farted on that

sacred seal
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EFI is created and system now boots. For some reason it things its January 3rd (it's not) and the timezone is correct, but other then that it seems to work fine

jade scaffold
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Some rumors the rtx 5090 might have 26k+ cores

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Only a year give or take till rtx 5000 and rx8000 excited to see what comes of them

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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I doubt 8000 will be a refresh of 7000

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That would leave AMD in the dust behind Nvidia

balmy flicker
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how close are they atm?

mossy gull
balmy flicker
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ahh

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last I looked they were a good step or so appart so that is good

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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You can't make a comparison between an upscaler and native between 2 brands

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At the flag ship spot Nvidia is leading amd by a generations worth of performance

In games optimised extremely poorly for Nvidia but well for AMD. AMD can get within 5% of NVidia on average it's more like NVidias flagship is 20-40% faster than AMDs

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If amd do a refresh end of this year/beginning of next year they'll be left behind by probably 70% at the flagship level if not more

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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It's a frame gen upscaler it can do both

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Same as dlss 3.5

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Its also substantially less accurate than the aforementioned dlss 3.5 it's not an argument for performance

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AMD have to rely on frame gen to keep up with the 4090s default not even considering the 4090 can also generate frames or that you can just grab the cheapest amd you that supports fluid motion and pair it with the 4090

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AMD are technologically behind Nvidia ATM and ideally I want them to catch up next gen not fall a further 70% behind

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8000 cannot be a refresh unless AMD are going to release the 8900xtx as a Ā£600 card brand new

mossy gull
# jade scaffold It's a frame gen upscaler it can do both

Fluid Motion doesn't rely on upscaling as it doesn't need in-game support, it interpolates frames in between frames.
Fluid Motion isn't FSR3 and is completely loose from it.
If Fluid Motion would upscale then using FSR3 + Fluid Motion would make a game very ugly.

DLSS and FSR3 need build in game support, something Fluid Motion doesn't need.

In fact you can stack Fluid Motion on top of FSR or DLSS.

AFMF works completely optical and can make mistakes as it isn't tied to the game itself.

jade scaffold
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Right anyway regardless of that Rx 8000 can't be a refresh of 7000

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That makes no sense economically and leaves Nvidia practically uncompeted against

mossy gull
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And AMD has to unlock the power on their cards, 8-pin can reach like 280w per connector(source: DerBauer) and having 3 means you can pull 840w, AMD should allow that if the cooling of the card allows that'

jade scaffold
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ah yes AMD will do somthing that will break consumer trust despite their GPU Devision already having very shaky consumer trust

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If amd Unlock the power limits on their cards all thats gonna lead to is their massive efficiency disadvantage being made comically obvious

mossy gull
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I am AMD bound for a while, it's either the 4070 or the 7900XTX in my ROG Z11.

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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also not all PSUs can handle that kinda thing thats why theres the limit in the first place

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Amd Cards as are are great for overlcocking All of Nvidias high end cards run 50-100W over what they need to to achive borderline the same performance

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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its not even funny a 3090 will run identically at 265w to a 3090 running at 350w

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its actually stupid

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the 4090 does the same thing

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you kick 50w off of its power consumption and all that happens is it ends up running cooler and you can force the memory clocks a lil higher as a result

mossy gull
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I like a shund modded 7900XTX crushed the 4090.

jade scaffold
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in like 1 test

mossy gull
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Literally pulling 750w on liquid cooling

jade scaffold
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it still lost in everything else

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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not really?
Dreadfull optimisation on a developers part does not make being able to make up the 10% Difference at 1.7x the power an acomplishment

mossy gull
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To be honest, I hope Nvidia keep treating game devs like shite, like they done with Bethesda, so they're gonna optimise for AMD more.

jade scaffold
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i hope they dont do that so we have competition in the consumer space

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i hope AMD Get their shit back together like they did in 6000 i hope intel fuckin obliterate the low to mid end market as well

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As amd have proven when left uncompeted against they are just as bad as Intel and NVidia are when left in the same situation

mossy gull
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Intel cards are pretty good, optimisation was shite

jade scaffold
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their drivers were bad

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been getting better tho

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next gen hopefully they launch with decent enough drivers

mossy gull
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We need Matrox and Voodoo back.
Matrox was bad but had some funny shite.

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AMD needs to get their MCM working like they done with their CPUs.

sly valley
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So, quick question, Iā€™m going to sound dumb, but how do you properly turn off a pc without damaging it?

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Like Iā€™ve googled it but I wanna get more info before I do anything dumb

sacred seal
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Depends on how you define turn off and damage I guess?

sly valley
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So Iā€™ve seen people straight up use the normal, windows power off thing yā€™know

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And Iā€™ve seen others just press the power button on the pc it self

surreal moss
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You can map the power button to do the same thing as hitting the windows power off

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Thatā€™s default behavior iirc

sly valley
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Ah okay, Iā€™m gonna make sure Iā€™m able to do that

cinder lagoon
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If you hold the power button you might corrupt your OS and files

sacred seal
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Well pressing the power button, holding the power button will just hard cut the power

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Generally speaking computers are very resilient, the odds of something breaking is very low

cinder lagoon
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Windows however - better avoid blackouts and holding the power button

sacred seal
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Not impossible, but like 1 in a million odds

surreal moss
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Proper shutdown used to be a big deal with windows. Not so much anymore

sly valley
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Knowing my luck Iā€™ll end up doing it somehow

surreal moss
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And ā€œholdingā€ the power button means keeping it down for several seconds

sacred seal
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Even windows is generally fairly good about recovering from a hard power loss

surreal moss
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You have to be intentional about it

cinder lagoon
surreal moss
sly valley
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Ah okay, I see what I have to do and now I know what I have to avoid but Iā€™ll be fine in the long run

surreal moss
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Really Goose, you almost have to put effort into mucking up Windows anymore. Itā€™s complex and not fool proof but itā€™s become more and more resilient over time. As long as youā€™re trying to do right you should be fine. The rest is just ā€œlearning opportunitiesā€

sacred seal
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Unless you are doing something like a windows update or a bios flash I don't think I have ever seen a os courrupt due to a power loss

surreal moss
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Iā€™ve bricked a couple laptops from normal daily use. Even got a RSoD once.

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But thatā€™s with a lot of heavy use

sly valley
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Okay, so after the general setup I definitely have to map out the shut off

sacred seal
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Oh, I have had to deal with loads of OS courruptions, but not ones I can directly atribute to the system loosing power

jade scaffold
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Just pressing the power button should cause the system to shut down safely
Or use the one in the windows start menus
Holding the power button causes a force shut off which especially can corrupt if the os has only just loaded in my experience

mossy gull
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@sly valley disabled fast start

sly valley
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Thank you all for the amazing help (and for putting it in a way a pc noob can understand and follow)

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Why the F*** is is so hard to update the firmware of a dell bios?

jade scaffold
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thats how Dell be

sacred seal
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They have like 5 different ways to do it, but I cant find the files for any of them, or they just flat up don't work

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Use the windows installer, windows says I dont have permission to run it despite having smart screen turned off, av turned off, and bieng an admin

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Try uploading it to the web utility, says its not compatible

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And I cant find the file needed to try direct installing

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Not to mention to even access the idracs utility I need to install a super outdated version of opera because modern browsers flat up refuse to load it

jade scaffold
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What abomination of a system have you got your hands on?

sacred seal
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A r710

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The amount of just silly stuff I have had to do to get windows 10 on there...
Windows 10 does not detect the SSD
Put the SSD into a raid zero array with itself
Try using the OS deployment tool
Os deployment tool only supports bios for windows 10, not UEFI
Try to boot from the windows 10 USB
Windows 10 detects the SSD, but cannot delete any of the existing partitions
Take the SSD out, put it in a different computer, delete everything, put it back in the server
Windows 10 does not detect the SSD
Rebuild the raid array
Windows 10 finally installs

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And that is not to mention that the mouse would randomly quit working, meaning I had to navigate the config ui with a keyboard

cinder lagoon
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Ohhh god why would you do that

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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There is an open box Gigabyte 4080 Gaming OC at my local best buy for $930. I am very tempted.

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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I tried that. Windows is so certain that the program is a virus that no matter what I do I cannot get it to run

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I turned off the anti virus, windows still blocked it

cinder lagoon
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Can you send the screen that it shows?

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Pretty sure there is some gray pattern thing to go around it

sacred seal
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Note that I am the only administrator account on this machine

cinder lagoon
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Never seen THAT before

cerulean helm
cinder lagoon
# sacred seal

Like the whole visuals of this image are putting me off

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IF that screen is legitimate it comes from some group policy.
However I would want to nuke the drive at this point

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Can you tell me the exact machine you want a BIOS update for?
I've had success finding the manual files for dell in the past

sacred seal
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A dell r710. This is the official file downloaded directly from dell, but it's from 2012

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Because apparently you will brick your bios (or more accurately idrac) if you try to update it to many versions at a time

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I can run the newest version of the updater just fine

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But that is basically 100% gaurenteed to brick it

cinder lagoon
mossy gull
sacred seal
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I'm suprized, I have seen it a handful of times, but generally when working wth a non admin acount

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And yea, it is deffinatly group policy related, but as an admin I should have full permissions. I could try super admin, but that is a massive pain in the rear

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And I am not sure that would even fix it

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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I'm using the word bios a bit loosely, what I am actually talking about is idracs which kind of sits on top of the bios

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It's kind of like a bios for the bios

cinder lagoon
cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Sorry, yea apparently you are supposed to update idracs before you update your bios

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Yep. The web firmware is not recognized as valid, the OS updater gives me the error, and I cant find the lifecycle firmware

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Worth a shot. Will see if I can find a working copy because the URL they give is dead

cinder lagoon
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Also I find much stuff about the OpenManage thing from dell... like that seems to be the official driver and shit assistant for that lineup

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Yea, I have that downloaded, still working on installing it

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This whole thing is just a cacade of errors. I'm trying to update idracs so I can update my bios so that it hopefully fixes the code 12 that the GPU is getting

cinder lagoon
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Ohhhh

cerulean helm
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Well, looks like I am 3 bios updates behind on my pc which have several major security updates... I hate updating the bios...

cinder lagoon
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I mainly hate it because it just resets everything...

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Also for some reason one of the updates made it so the mobo LEDs ALWAYS stay on and the setting just resets after one boot

cerulean helm
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Ive done it before, and I was able to save my settings, just gotta remember how I did it last time.

cinder lagoon
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That too - imo it should just try to save and re-apply on its own

jade scaffold
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Just realised somthing thats kinda crazy
You can get a Quest 2 + a VR Ready PC and some games for the price of a PSVR and a PS5 or just an index alone

surreal moss
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Yep

jade scaffold
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thats insane decent VR is actually affordable
we legitimatly are not far off sub Ā£200 headsets

sacred seal
sonic meadow
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it is saying it needs a hot start- aka a restart for it to apply correctly.

sacred seal
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Ah, I was reading it wrong

sonic meadow
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fair, it does seem to contradict itself.

sacred seal
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Here is to not bricking my bios

mossy gull
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2 USB-C, 2 USB-A, 1 HDMI, 1 Mini-Jack

jade scaffold
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they do look nice

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but being hp theres about a 90% chance the hinge design will experience erasure from exsistance if you so much as look at it wrong

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Well, bit the bullet and ordered a server rack chassis I wanted. Going to build a HTPC/NAS

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cinder lagoon
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Thats a really un-server-eque server chassis xD

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Why not a conventional hihg density chassis?

cerulean helm
cinder lagoon
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Well yes but it follows the ATX standart and its seemingly just a desktop chassis with rack mounts

surreal moss
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Nothing wrong if it does the job

cinder lagoon
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Tbf it has 5 drive sleds and a cd drive but I believe there are far better choices

cerulean helm
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Like I'm not looking at building a whole new system here.

cinder lagoon
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Aight just seemed odd to me ^^'

cerulean helm
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It also can fit my extra 2080 ti in the case. I didn't see anything else that I liked from Silverstone at least.

cinder lagoon
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Well most server cases have pcie adapter boardss for mounting GPUs and such.
Don't recall silverstone as a prevalent rack case manufacturer too but it seems to tick your boxes

cerulean helm
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Yeah, found it awhile ago and it fits what I want to do. Where my networking hardware is located is a corner in the living room. Just sitting on a low table atm. I want to move everything to a rack.

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Now to find a floor rack I like.

sonic meadow
cinder lagoon
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Well thats true but other than a desktop PC I see no use cases for ATX rack mount cases

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Like they actually waste space in the rack

cerulean helm
surreal moss
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If Iā€™m not trying to use all the space in a rack I prefer the larger ones.

cerulean helm
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A larger case also means a bigger cpu cooler if you need one.

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The Silverstone chassis I went with can also fit 120mm fans instead of using 80mm fans. So better cooling and less noisy.

sonic meadow
thorn osprey
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So uhhh, when I was first building my PC the light on the motherboard for RAM light up and my PC would't turn on. I reseated my RAM, like, 5 time. Nothing worked... Until I switched slots from 1 and 3 to 2 and 4. I recently got more RAM, and being the only slots left, I had to put them in 1 and 3, hoping that now all 4 slots were filled, hoping it would still work. My computer didn't turn on. I have no idea what's going on here and I'm still a Novice on this stuff, so if anyone could tell me what shenanigans are happening, it would be much appreciated.

cinder lagoon
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So you populated all slots "it would still work" and now it does not turn on anymore?

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Have you enabled the XMP / DOCP?

thorn osprey
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I forgot to put something there, sorry

thorn osprey
cinder lagoon
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You built the PC yourself, right? How long ago was that?
Do you have a component list?

thorn osprey
cinder lagoon
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Its not of great importance.

thorn osprey
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Mkay

cinder lagoon
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Given that 1 and 3 are the primary slots and have never worked I suspect a physical issue with the motherboard.

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Can you find out which one of them is of problem by trying with 3 sticks?

thorn osprey
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I'll try in a bit.

cinder lagoon
# thorn osprey So uhhh, when I was first building my PC the light on the motherboard for RAM li...

You should have RMA'd the board right after noticing that issue btw but its probably still in warranty.
You should get in contact with the manufacturer and tell them what you wrote in this message, and after further investigation with the help of a forum which slot seems to be broken exactly.
Do make note of that you tried with different varying configurations (and the minimal 1 stick configuration, tested in all slots) to speed up the process

thorn osprey
thorn osprey
jade scaffold
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not a rare thing in the slightest

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Pretty much all lower end GPU servers will just use an ATX Form factor board

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same goes for storeage servers as well really

cinder lagoon
surreal moss
thorn osprey
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Thanks to both of you for the help, I really appreciate it.

jade scaffold
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Probably gonna see a decent price drop on the RX7900xtx
perhaps below 800

mossy gull
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I am gonna be honest, if I was rich I probably would have a collection or rare laptops and GPUs

jade scaffold
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looking at AMDs new APU line up

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they look great

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would be cool to see an all Zen 4C APU tho full on Zen4 isnt really nessesary for an apu

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would have loved a 6 core 12 thread Zen 4C APU with 780M Graphics

cinder lagoon
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What bothers me the most about the ryzen APUs is that they're really great but its really hard to find GPU benchmark data about them!

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Every site just publishes the CPU score for cinebench and a ton of other shit but theres just about a single youtube channel that publishes game benchmarks of the APUs

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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But like none of the benchmark sites have them xD they have the CPU results but no 3D

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Never knew this site

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Noice

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Knew the benchmark just not the site. Doesnt show up in google too if you search for ryzen 5700U or whatever the APU name is

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So ya gotta know the iGPU model name it seems

mossy gull
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The 780m is the GPU from thr 7840u, the not downclocked Z1 Extreme.

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I think the 5700U has a Vega 8?

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I could be wrong

cinder lagoon
mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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Dang then passmark gotta readjust the score lol

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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True

sacred seal
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One of the problems with benchmarking APUs is it is very difficult to benchmark just the GPU. When you have a standardized test linup where all your GPUs are bieng tested on a 5900x or something, testing a GPU on what is effectively a 5600 makes for a messy comparison

mossy gull
# cinder lagoon True

I can tell you, Cyberpunk ain't running on a 1060m, but it will on the Z1 Extreme and 780m.

sacred seal
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1060 can get 60fps on cyberpunk (with low settings and fsr)

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Well, my rack case, fans, HDD drives and OS drives came in today. But the cooler is "delayed" in shipping via Amazon and we have a near blizzard hitting tomorrow...

surreal moss
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ā€œNot rain nor snow norā€ or however it goes

jade scaffold
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Theoretically you should be able to just allocate the 780m more vram

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Need to find a tiny am5 mobo

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Preferably one with overclocking enabled and half decent vrms I wanna see how far I can overclock it

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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None of them are small though

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Kinda looking for one of thoes mini pc boards

mossy gull
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They most likely don't have swappable CPUs

sacred seal
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Anything smaller then ITX is likely to use soldered CPUs

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You don't want consumers trying to upgrade a system with tight power and thermal limitations

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Most of them use laptop CPUs also

jade scaffold
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There used to be loads

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For am4 atleast

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Lots of little bare bones pcs

mossy gull
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I never seen 1

sacred seal
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Barebones typically refer to ram and storage

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Not CPU

jade scaffold
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That's not true

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There were a absurd amount with am4 socketed CPUs

cinder lagoon
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Barebones typically refers to kits of systems without all interchangable components

cinder lagoon
sacred seal
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Asrock has its deskmini series, but that is the only one I am aware of

jade scaffold
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Nano itx it's pretty much itx but without the pcie slot makes the boards really quite compact

cinder lagoon
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Gigabyte and Asrock has some really small boards

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But again: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE?? You might be looking for a problem rather than a solution

jade scaffold
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Just want something small

cinder lagoon
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How small?? What are the constraints?
What is it used for?

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2L gaming systems?

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Tiny browser work desktops?

mossy gull
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Just get an mITX from Asus with an X670 chipset.
Then you know you can overclock

sacred seal
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If you are that size limited you are probably not OCing, no space for a decent cooler

jade scaffold
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I can fit a 100w noctua cooler in pretty much any thing

mossy gull
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Smallest I know that you can overclock are some laptops, even those are limited in power

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Not gonna be overclocking the CPU part because there's no point with such a relatively potato GPU to do so

jade scaffold
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If mobo makers didn't fill half the volume of their boards with "armour" you could have a itx cooler with a 140mm fan but you can't because half the boards volume is plastic and useless heat sinks

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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You can but no cooler designer is gonna make a cooler with that in mind

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Can get 32gb of cl34 7200mhz ddr5 for a fairly reasonable price

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The GPU should like that

mossy gull
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I still don't understand why you want something smaller than mITX

jade scaffold
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Just cos want something that's kinda just baggable

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Still achievable with itx like

mossy gull
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The ones from Asus are just ATX boards but with less ports

jade scaffold
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The it's boards from Asus are over engineered trash

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Apparently they are super buggy and almost nothing works as intended

sacred seal
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And that is not to mention the whole 6xx meltdown fiasco

mossy gull
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With how bad experiences I had with MSI I don't trust them either

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AsRock are just build cheap

jade scaffold
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That was due to their vrms being so overbuilt they weren't triggering over voltage or over current protection

mossy gull
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Gigabyte, well, their software is absolutely trash

jade scaffold
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AsRock have built the most reliable mobo I've ever used

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AsRock rack just build superior to everyone else

mossy gull
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For me AsRock always felt cheap in the consumer market.

jade scaffold
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Nothings stupidly overbuilt everything has all the needed features the one down side is their mobos are fucking green

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Look at this stupid shit

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That's a b650 chipset in an m.2 for a x670 mobo

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Why? No good reason is provided

sacred seal
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They do love thier ad in cards

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What was it, the M.2s that went into what was basically a ram slot?

jade scaffold
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Seems like all it's doing is providing connectivity for another m.2 which is the peak of stupid because that cpu platform has 24 usable lanes

jade scaffold
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I wish am5 was a better design too

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Am5 is actually shit and we're stuck with it for 4 more generations

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The socket itself is fine the main issue is the heat spreader

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It's got no surface area and it's super thick making it goofy inefficient for cooling

sacred seal
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Isin't that laregley so it would be compatible with AM4 coolers?

jade scaffold
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Kinda

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Kinda a null point because you could have just sinked the mounting plate further back or made the socket itself slightly raised

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Modern coolers just aren't designed for cpus to have their hot spot offset a bunch either which doesn't help

sonic meadow
# jade scaffold They aren't because they have to fit in the stupid tiny gap mobo makers have on ...

Motherboard makers leave the space required by the spec for their CPU socket, this has been the case for probably 30 years now. Anything more than that keep our area cannot be guaranteed, so cooler manufacturers don't make things that can utilize more space. Space that very few things would provide, which means they would need a motherboard compatibility list as well as a socket compatibility list. Sounds like a bad choice to make

jade scaffold
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yea

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exactly

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if mobo manufacurers could agree not to pille 17 tonnes of random useless crap onto their boards we could have massive but still thinn ITX coolers

sonic meadow
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It's nothing to do with the motherboard manufacturers.

jade scaffold
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its the spec which is a spec collaboratively decided on

sonic meadow
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Intel/amd have said that they only need to keep a certain area clear, and there is a need for stuff very close to the cpu

jade scaffold
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its also a really OLD Spec so the tollerances they leave are still often too small for some Coolers

jade scaffold
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but you dont need inch tall VRM heatsinks

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theres actually almost no scenario where you need such crazy beefy cooling on a VRM especially with how crazy VRMs on modern boards are being able to easilly handle way more power than the CPUs they are designed for could ever possibly hope to pull

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you also dont need
a B650 Chipset sticking vertically out of an M.2 slot so you can acomidate another m.2 slot

sonic meadow
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Those "inch tall vrm" are a cheaper option than smaller ones. And they are partly needed in several circumstances: a high power CPU, some of the high end offerings can pull silly amounts of power. Low airflow around the socket area, especially when running water-cooling, or in something like a cramped itx case. Plus of course warmer climates

jade scaffold
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i wouldnt mind them being the "chaper option" if that was true to any reasonable extent

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which its not

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they are cheaper yes but on the boards with thoes crazy tall heatsinks they already cost like Ā£300-Ā£400

sonic meadow
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Those slabs of aluminium are substantially cheaper than a proper dense finned setup (especially a copper one), plus radiate passively a lot better and have higher soak capacity

jade scaffold
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thoes copper properly finned ones are still stupidly tall and encroche on the actual socket just as much

sonic meadow
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Yes, exactly as much as the socket keep out spec allows. Aka within fucking spec

jade scaffold
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and are still fairly unnecessary as there are ITX Boards that still have 16 phase VRMs none of which will exceed 60 degree C unless you drag 350W through them

jade scaffold
sonic meadow
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That sounds like the coolers fault for breaking spec

jade scaffold
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you get these insanely over built Asus boards where they are so dense and tall that you cant actually fit the larger ITX coolers on them

sonic meadow
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But I get it

jade scaffold
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you have to use the stupid tiny block itx coolers which most of the time wont do more than 95w meaning thoes vrms if you just took the heatsinks off them still wouldnt get to the point of overheating

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the VRMs on my Server boards never exceed 65C and they are really small compared to desktop ones like just in number of phases

sonic meadow
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Oh they definitely would, you need something on them

jade scaffold
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they wouldnt if they had air flow they'd be fine

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if they didnt have airflow then yea they'd probs get too hot

sonic meadow
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Nah, you really do need something on a chip if it dissipates more than about a half watt. Even with airflow

jade scaffold
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no you dont

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DDR RAM often has no heat spreader and pulls about 2W

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per chip

cerulean helm
#

Speaking of coolers, Cooler Master is making a extremely bold claim with a new air cooler at CES that can dissipate 700w.

jade scaffold
sonic meadow
cerulean helm
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Also, they are getting into open loop cooling.

jade scaffold
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it only says 300W on the website
"only"

cerulean helm
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Though their website says 300w, but Der8auer video says 700w.

jade scaffold
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maybe miss speak

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i believe 700W is impossible on standard heat pipes

cerulean helm
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Be a major misspeak, as he says he is quoting a Cooler Master rep.

jade scaffold
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well for the size of consumer chips

cerulean helm
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Not standard heat pipes.

jade scaffold
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the cooler on my CPU can do 400w and its got a 90mm fan on it

cerulean helm
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YEah, per video he says 720w.

jade scaffold
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yea i could see a 700w cooler on a massive chips like SP5 or SP6 type chips because they have so much more surface area

cerulean helm
jade scaffold
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they are really FAT Heat pipes

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ooooh its like an extended vapor chamber

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thats really cool

cerulean helm
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I wonder is its a mixup of what the design is capable of (700w) vs what that actual cooler is rated for (300w per website).

jade scaffold
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maybe it can handle 700w before it turns into a fragmentation grenade

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Really wish AMD Went SP5 for the new TRs rather than SP6 would make finding my self a nice chunky cooler alot easier

cerulean helm
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Also, square hardline tubing, wtf?

jade scaffold
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that is very funky

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but also cool

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very unique look a PC i think

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the video they linked on their website also says 300w

cerulean helm
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Thats what makes me think that the rep was talking about the new heatpipe design can do 700w but wasn't talking about that cooler itself.

jade scaffold
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yea possibly

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normal heat pipes do struggle with higher temps

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its why theres not TR Varient of the NHD15 the design just cant accommodate such a massive heat load i think noctua said

cerulean helm
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Yo, I heard you wanted a phone screen on your aio pump. New Hyte aio...

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jade scaffold
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jeesus

sacred seal
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Screens are the new RGB

jade scaffold
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im more of a big industrial look kinda guy

sacred seal
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Ram with Screens when?

jade scaffold
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i like my Absurdly large heatsinks

sacred seal
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We got AIOs, we have fans, we have cases

cerulean helm
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Its a 5 inch screen, lol.

jade scaffold
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i am excited to get my hands on one of the New Ryzen APUs and tweak it

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gonna wait a bit because as happened when the origional Ryzen APUs released Mini Pc boards will follow somewhat shortly after

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do i Delid it?
i might just so i can get reasonable cooling without having to stick the biggest cooler i can find on it

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get my self some 7200mhz DDR5 CL34

cerulean helm
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Eh, that speed on AMD? Hell even Intel is flaky at that ram speed.

jade scaffold
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yea ryzen 7000 seemed to be stable enough though

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it can also be very board dependant

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ATX boards struggle to run higher speeds more so than ITX ones

cerulean helm
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Eh, not from what I have seen. Lots of comments of peoples rigs just up and forgetting ram timings. Or having to run ram below its rated speed to even be stable.

jade scaffold
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i think the best mobo for am4 ram overclocking was some matx case with only 2 ram slots and bumb fuck all features

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well i can experiment

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honestly 7200mhz ram isnt even expensive compared to 5600mhz

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its like Ā£20 more

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I WISH RDIMMS WERE THAT CHEAP

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kinda wish i went for 5600mhz while EPYC Doesnt Explicitly support 5600mhz this Mobo does and Epyc lets you OC memory if you really want to which at 12 channels is like 550 Gigabytes Per second of memory bandwidth

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Also we are kinda getting a Replacement for Optane which i am Super happy about and its basically DRAM Drives that go in PCIE slots Only works on Server boards ATM but its still very cool and i intend on nabing one at some point or another when they become more common place on the 2nd hand market

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literally just goes in a PCIE X16 slot that has CXL Support
Persistant memory support my beloved

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cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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its for a mixture of things
lots of aplications need a really big really fast cache

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Optane Used to do that but as Optane is mostly Dead its being replaced with these DDR5 Modules

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its also for aplications where a user might want a well and trully silly amount of RAM

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EPYC Genoa can already support 3tb per CPU but some aplications do actually need even more than that and thats where these modules help

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CXL is a protocal that can be operated over PCIE that allows you to attach additional memory controllers

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it can be used for other things like having a cluster of servers connected to a shared bank of memory

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which is good for A Pooling memory and B if a machine in the cluster drops out because the memory is stored off machine all the other machines in the cluster can pick up on where that machine left off in effect

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also Having persistent memory support allows for if your database for example has a catastrophic crash meaning nothing stored in RAM is actually lost meaning you don't loose any data

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Genoa Supports CXL 1.1 + like half of 2.0 because implementing all of 2.0 on your chips that start at 3 grand was apparently not nessesary

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just to say everything ive just mentiond pretty much only pretains to CXL.Mem and maybe CXL.Cache Theres lots of other CXL things its a very new technology and very exciting for the future of data centres

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One really interesting thing im actually finding out looking further into CXL is that if you have a PCIE Gen 5 GPU CXL allows you to pool its memory with the CPU

cinder lagoon
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Dang thats actually really cool - how persistent is it? And is the card a controller only or also the additional storage?

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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On that card I think it's controller + memory

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Dram ran on a cxl device should achieve about 95% of the performance that standard in slot dram archives

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Which isn't bad for running ram over pcie or even more impressive on an entirely different machine

jade scaffold
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Just seen a es sample epyc for 110 less than what I paid for mine :I

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Has more active CCDs too so what I could have done with it is have 1 active core per ccd then each CPU core would have a minimum of 32mb of cache all to itself as well as being able to share with the other CCDs for a total of 384mb of cache

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And it's es sample

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So it has no safeties and would as such be potentially overclockable rather easily

cinder lagoon
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well, no engineering samples often DO have the safeties already present but sometimes in a more confusing (inconsistent) way. they might even be lower as it is not final hardware and they anticipated a change.
I would not recommend it other than for tinkering purposes alone. it might also be inconsistently unstable

jade scaffold
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03 engineering samples from all previous epyc generations have had no safeties and no locks on them but have otherwise been totally stable cpus

jade scaffold
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I have discovered somthing interesting!

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this board has a header that allows for monitoring and modification voltages

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if i can Up the voltage on this CPU it should boost like any other ryzen CPU
My main concern is that the IO Die is obviously very different to Ryzens IO Die and is alot more complex however i think if i can get an extra 100mv i might be able to hit 4.7ghz or somthing

not sure how sensitive the IO Die would be to raising core voltages but we shall see technically speaking this CPU has no 3D V Cache so 1.4V on the CCDs should in theory be possible but im not sure i want to push my luck when stock voltage is 0.9V

jade scaffold
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Seeing on the cores about 1.165V ish actually

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different cores at different voltages which is interesting because all cores were within 10mhz of eachother

mossy gull
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Fun fact: people on Reddit think that AiO coolers have no cracks.
They pretend it's some kinda unibody design.

sonic meadow
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Well they shouldn't have cracks. Seams yes, but cracks are no bueno in things that hold fluid

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Have most of what I need to build my server, minus a rack for everything. But I need a new switch to add into the network or my server will be stuck at 1gb. And Ubiquiti doesn't make a 2.5gb switch, at all. And I really don't like dropping $300 for their XG flex 10gb switch or $270 for their 10gb aggregation sfp+ switch. Both would be a waste as my pc only has a 2.5gb port.

sonic meadow
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There is also pretty even odds that a 10gb switch won't even support 2.5gb, so would be stuck on 1gb

cerulean helm
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The 2 switches I mentioned from Ubiquiti can negotiate 2.5, just don't want to spend $300 for one.

cerulean helm
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I'll take a look at the article.

mossy gull
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I have had cheap Ubiquiti Flex switches reaching 2 Gbps.

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Well cheap, they're still 100.- but that aside.

sonic meadow
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all switches have a maximum throughput, sometimes the max throughput is just the sum of all the ports (more common in smaller switches)

cinder lagoon
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"5 port 10Gbit switch" - jokes on you I'm doing the math and all are 2.5 :)

mossy gull
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Ubiquiti told me they state the max speed the switch supports instead of what each port does.

cinder lagoon
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The entire maximum throughput alright but like I'd wanna know the maximum throughput when effectively just connecting two devices thru the switch

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
mossy gull
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I just discovered of what I think is very funny.
So I asked Bing CoPilot "Exoplanet".
And it responded with what it is, but the way is says "Exoplanet" is just hilarious, instead of it saying "Exo Planet", it says "Exop lanets".

glacial canyon
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Oh, I got Soundforge in a magix bundle a couple of christmases ago. Maybe I can use that to isolate stuff.

cinder lagoon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbaQxrSffw
Why is LITERALLY NO ONE COMPARING THIS THING TO A 4080!!!
Wasnt the 4080 about 20% faster than a 4070? Is this basically just a power efficient 4080?

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GN did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL1l4jmxLa8

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Ahh thanks

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Its so small

jade scaffold
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Ordered a pair of Sony Link buds
they were like super cheap on sale
and being able to hear people and listen to music at the same time would be nice transparency mode on my XM4s just doesnt feel right to do
also if these are comfy enough im probably gonna wear them to sleep which was an issue i had with my Sony WF-1000XM4s

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still gonna carry my XM4s with me for if i want noise canceling like on a train or bus or somthing but honestly when i use them i use them primarilly in transparency mode half the time anyway

cinder lagoon
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Hmm now thats the second person I know of that sleeps with earbuds in...
Personally, I could NEVER - transparency mode on the XM lineup really doesn't feel right - its always way different compared to no earbuds. NC was good tho

sonic meadow
cerulean helm
mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Not paying $200 plus for a switch that will only connect my pc and home server.

mossy gull
cerulean helm
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Not with 2.5gb and/or 10gb ports

mossy gull
sonic meadow
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Sounds like a great way to get not enough ports that do what you need

mossy gull
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Ubiquiti Flex is for example a Layer 2 switch with a switching capacity of 10 Gbps.

cerulean helm
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Which will not work with my ISP which is over 1gb. So how does that help? I'd be paying for internet speed I cannot use.

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Also that unmanaged switch has a switching capacity of 60 Gbps.

mossy gull
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I personally don't trust unmanaged switches, but you always can tryšŸ˜…

cerulean helm
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Well, I use 2 Netgear unmanaged poe switches to power my 3 G4 pro Unify cameras and have zero issues. And a 3rd for linking my indoor and burried cables to my garage,

surreal moss
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I don't see an issue with that switch or it's intended use

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Actually had to talk myself out of buying one when you posted the link

cerulean helm
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It will be behind my UDM pro, so I don't see an issue personally.

mossy gull
surreal moss
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I've got an unmanaged switch behind my UDM Pro as well right now

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Have for a couple years now

sonic meadow
cerulean helm
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surreal moss
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which is the reason I had to talk myself out of it

mossy gull
surreal moss
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exactly

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And that thing is less than $50 USD

mossy gull
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That's like a 300.- internet set-upšŸ„²

surreal moss
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internet?

sonic meadow
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tbh the cost of sfp+ and the need for fibre cables definitely sways me towards copper 10g

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and at patch lengths copper has absolutely no problems

cerulean helm
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As a comparrision the Unifi Flex XG is a 5 ports layer 2 switch that has 4 10gb rj45 ports but the poe port is only 1 gb. So you would have to use the dc power plug instead of poe if your ISP is over 1gb. And its switching capacity is 82 Gbps.

While thats better than the unmanaged switch's 60 Gbps, the Unifi switch is $300... vs $50.

sonic meadow
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and probably draws twice the power. if that is something you are concerned about

surreal moss
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That's a really good point. Got a rack of Unifi at work and they. are. THIRSTY

cerulean helm
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Spec sheet says max draw is 25w

surreal moss
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I'll still take them over the Dells

sonic meadow
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most of the small 2.5g switches (even with 1-2 10g ports) can be run easily completely fanless

cerulean helm
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The YainLey switch is 2.7W idle, 0.3W per 2.5GbE Port per Serve the Home on YT.

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sonic meadow
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10g is supported over rj45

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dunno about that specific switch, but its in the standard

mossy gull
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Ubiquiti likes to play with max throughput instead of specifying what each port can deliver.

sonic meadow
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those are two completely separate things

cerulean helm
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Even the Ubiquiti forum posts say the uplink poe port is 1gb. Either way. Its still $300 vs spending $50.

sonic meadow
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4x10gb, 1x gb
41/82gb throughput

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if a switch doesnt have its max throughput listed, then its likely not a product worth getting

mossy gull
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I mean, if they only supported 1 Gbe each then this is 1 expensive switch for 1300.-

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sonic meadow
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that throughput sounds about right for 48x1 + 4x10

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96gb through the 1gb ports + 80gb through the 10g ports

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the price sounds about right considering its also 48 ports POE

surreal moss
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I haven't noticed 10 gb with PoE enabled on any Unifi I work with

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with PoE disabled I've noticed they're doing 10

mossy gull
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I mean, why would a switch have a 1Gbe in-port and 4 10Gbe out ports, that's just odd.

surreal moss
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Haven't looked into because I haven't had anyone express a need for 10 at their workstation

cerulean helm
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You can get around it by using the poe port as power only and using 1 of the 4 10gb ports as an uplink via what I am reading on reddit and the ubiquiti forum. So at least there is that. Still doesn't justify the $300 price tag imo.

sonic meadow
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probably because most PoE devices are 1gb

surreal moss
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Yeah, I'll take a look when I get in the office tomorrow. I'm playing with the switches all day anyway šŸ˜­

cerulean helm
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My YuanLey switch will be here this weekend and I should have the time to build the sever (just no rack yet) and get everything setup. Then I get to exterpience TrueNAS for the first time and learn that system.

surreal moss
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I'm setting up an R20 from them right now and am in love

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I was poking around in the CLI trying to figure something out and finally realized they had all the little details handled in the gui. Took me about an hour to realize I only needed 5 minutes

cerulean helm
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I was recommended TrueNAS as the sever will mainly just be storage and a vm or 2 for tinkering. Using 5 WD Red+ 6TB HDD drives in a RaidZ 1 for 24TB of storage.

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Server will be using my old 8700k.

surreal moss
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From what I've seen so far it should handle that just fine

cerulean helm
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Watched an install video from Craft Computing and it looks pretty easy. And the web gui looks simple to understand as well.

surreal moss
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Yeah, once it's set up the gui seems to be able to handle for everything. Talking with the manufacturer they seem very much orientated towards getting out of the way

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They also have a fairly active discord with some pretty smart people on it

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I really need to nab myself some like pcie switches so I can turn 16 of my gen 5 lanes into 64 gen 3 ones don't really need to do it but in the interest of using my available lanes efficiently
I've already got 2 of my x8 slots occupied by gen 3 u.2 cards

Though maybe it'd be worth trying to move to the faster more storage dence gen 5 drives though not sure what kinda cost per tb I can get on thoes

jade scaffold
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Yo these buds are weird

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Sound shockingly good for buds

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not alota base tho but like they sound nice

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they Fit very very well

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i can shake my head real hard and they dont come out

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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yee

mossy gull
# jade scaffold yee

They do sound very good, my colleague has them.
Almost like open-back headphones but for earbuds

jade scaffold
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i struggle to understand people using transparency mode even if transparency mode is very good on the XM4s

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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the XM4s have some pretty chonky mics and like 8 of them too so while transparency dose imo sound very good and not too far off sounding natural i still for some reason struggle to tell what people are saying with them in

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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Yea possibly

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I still intend on using my xm4s when stuff gets loud but for when I wanna talk to thoes around me I'll be using the link buds

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Lcd2 for scale xD

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i heard alot of people complaining these things dont get loud and I disagre 50% volume is louder than i think i would typically use my headphones at

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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they got really clear highs

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like impressivly clear for somthing i spent Ā£55 on

mossy gull
jade scaffold
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im really vibing with these tbh

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uh sexy screens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzPULczlCv8

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the 39 one looks tasty

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Anyone here good with lua?

sacred seal
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Not good, but I have wrote a few programs before

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The index starting at 1 is really confusing when you are used to other languages

cinder lagoon
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Haha yes

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well, #1198132515530080276

cerulean helm
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Well, shit. Was about to start the server build when I discovered I misplaced my 2.5gb nic as the z370 board I am using only has a 1gb port. And of course nobody local stocks a nic.

cinder lagoon
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So like not-temporarily misplaced?

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I would SO search for an hour instead of getting a new one šŸ’€

cerulean helm
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I have no clue where it would have gone. I thought I left it in the motherboard as thats still in the old case. Ended up ordering a new 10g sfp+ port nic anyway for a reasonable price.

cinder lagoon
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Wweeeellll SFP+ being an upgrade its understandable BUT Watch out: there are only few SFP+ connectors that support 2.5g. The other ones can only switch between 1g and 10g

cerulean helm
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yup.

cinder lagoon
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Ay noice

cinder lagoon
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Trying my luck again with this Problem of mine:
#1198132515530080276

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Well, a local ISP has fiber internet now. Looked into it, and its cheaper than what I pay now for double the speed. Right now I pay for 1200mbps down and 200 up. Plus an extra for no data cap. Something like $180 a month. Fiber plan is 2 gig up and down for $130 a month. No data cap, no equipment fee. And they will pay my cancellation fee to my current ISP. Requires 4 hours to install the fiber line though.

jade scaffold
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That's pretty expensive I pay Ā£35 a month for symmetrical gigabit with my own static IP

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4 hours is a pretty long installation time but for symmetrical 2 Gigabit worth it imo you have phones anyway

cinder lagoon
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i pay 40ā‚¬ a month for 0.1g down and 0.05 up šŸ„²

jade scaffold
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Ooof

surreal moss
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I pay $140 for 600 down and donā€™t have fiber as an option here

sacred seal
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I run my own sort of wisp so I can get 50-150 symmetric for I think 180 cad (we actually play for gigabit), but the cost is split between 5 households

mossy gull
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I pay 100.- for 8 Gbps up and download

cerulean helm
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ISPs in the U.S have very little regulation and are not classified as a utility. Hence why its stupid expensive and very few choices. The big 4 being:
Xfinity, ATT, Spectrum, and Cox. And all of them have been caught multiple times fixing prices between themselves.

cinder lagoon
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Yea germanies had high prices because of limited broadband capability (thx old politics) and now they just really gradually lower the prices with empty cables and mile high profits

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i have managed to get a whole 3% extra performance out of my EPYC

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this was basically just playing with power limits

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aparently these things get like 5% faster once you have enough memory bandwidth

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My pc has bsod 3 times while playing Stellaris.

sonic meadow
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sounds like a sign, dont play stellaris

cerulean helm
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Its a watchdog timeout bsod. I assume its OC related.

sonic meadow
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you havent bought enough stellaris DLC

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Somehow I just remembered/figured out I was running a mesh filter on the top exhaust of my tower, where the rad for the cpu exhaust. So, thats now removed. That should help some in airflow.

cerulean helm
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Well its definitely not the oc. Clock speeds and voltage were well within normal range when it bsod'd again.

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Been wearing these new buds out and about and yea they are really comfy

cinder lagoon
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cerulean helm
# cinder lagoon Only when playing Stellaris specifically? Watchdog timeout means the OS didn't t...

Only Stellaris so far. Was playing Medivial Dynasty several days before and had no problem. The bsod is Watchdog timeout and in the event log its error 0101.

Ram is been the same since I built the rig last Feb. Corsair Dominator 5600 DDR5. And is listed on the motherboards certified ram list.

I'm back to thinking the overclock may not be stable as running Timespy Extreme I also bsod last night. I'm using Asus "ai" overclock which means it dynamically changes the overclock every boot. Ive since disabled the dynamic part and its running on OC that has been stable for me for months. Hopefullly that fixes the issue.

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Sounds like a good start

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I would recommend running this in Powershell (admin) tho - it runs dism and sfc 5 times


for ($i = 1; $i -le 5; $i++) {
    Write-Host "$i of 5"
    dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
    sfc /scannow
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cerulean helm
# cinder lagoon Sounds like a good start

Ran it. First pass took a long while and the percentage went up slowly, next 4 passes went by a lot faster.

Message states The restore operation completed successfully. The operations completed successfully. Then below that I get a message that reads: Windows Resource Protection could not start the repair service.

cinder lagoon
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Yeah not sure what exactly that means and haven't the time to dig into it atm.

Currently building the server chassis, finally. PSU came in tonight as well as the server rack itself. Hope to have it up and running later tonight.

cinder lagoon
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I'd just try rebooting and trying again

cerulean helm
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Okay, thanks.

And omg. I thought I was at a full stop building the server as I totally forgot sata cables for the hdd drives. Just went and raided whats left of my first pc build from over 10 years ago and a random z170 intel box and found all 5 cables I needed.

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hahaha. ive got a small stash of ones I bought when I was building my NAS because I didnt realise one of the bits (the drive enclosure?) also came with them

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so I have 4/5 small bags with proper twinax 6gig sata cables

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So, the z370 board I am using has 2 m.2 nvme slots and I have some low cost kingston gen 4 ssds. Don't have heatsinks for the motherboard. Maybe I did at one point but not now. Since those m.2 drives will only have True Nas on them I assume I shouldn't need any heatsinks. Have 3 80mm be quiet fans in the case.

cinder lagoon
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Do NOT run TrueNAS off those SSDs!!

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Not that it would harm them but you can only use about 4GB of this drive.

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Rather use a good low capacity USB to run trueNAS off and use the SSDs as caches!

sonic meadow
# cinder lagoon Rather use a good low capacity USB to run trueNAS off and use the SSDs as caches...

You do not need an SSD boot device, but we discourage using a spinner or a USB stick. We do not recommend installing TrueNAS on a single disk or striped pool unless you have a good reason to do so.
from https://www.truenas.com/docs/core/gettingstarted/corehardwareguide/

CORE Hardware Guide

Describes the hardware specifications and system component recommendations for custom TrueNAS CORE deployment.

surreal moss
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It should be fine on the drive

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Booting legacy FreeNAS systems from 8 GB or larger USB flash drives was once very popular. We recommend looking at other options since USB drive quality varies widely, and modern TrueNAS versions perform increased drive writes to the boot pool. For this reason, all pre-built TrueNAS Systems ship with either M.2 drives or SATA DOMs.

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aka dont use USB

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it was once the recommendation, but usage has changed. and USB drives be shit

cinder lagoon
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While that is true I believe it would waste alot of capacity that could better be used otherwise.

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If it were up to me I would use USBs and clone it periodically to a second USB

sonic meadow
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luckily its not šŸ˜›

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on that, I should probably set up a task to backup the config of mine

cerulean helm
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I'm well aware to not use a usb as a boot device. Guide I watched said to use 2 nvme m.2 drives.

Fantastic. Looks like the Be Quiet cooler I ordered only came with 3 fan clips, instead of 4.

sonic meadow
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for two fans?

cinder lagoon
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I may be mistaken regarding the ability to use the rest as a cache but for a long time it was unable to - for me it is much more important to save cost than to have uptime

sonic meadow
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small ssds are cheap.
and I doubt you can use the rest for anything, free/truenas tends to disable their use for anything but being the boot volume

cerulean helm
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TrueNas install video only mentioned dual nvme for redundency for the OS.

sonic meadow
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the dark rock tf2?
interesting choice (not bad or anything). im sure it will be fine with just one fan, or a cable ties

cerulean helm
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I'm hoping 3 fan clips will be enough, if not I have zip ties.

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Yeah, I wanted to make sure I had more than enough cooling as the rack case only has 3 80mm fans for case airflow.

sonic meadow
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those 80mm fans are likely.. high airflow, with the corresponding acoustic penalty

cerulean helm
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Well I should add they are silent wings 2 80mm fans. I ditched whatever Silverstone was using.

sonic meadow
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ahhhh

cerulean helm
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1900rpm max with 27cfm for airflow.

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And only 19dba

cerulean helm
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Well. Build looks to be a success. Server has posted. And cpu temp is a cool 33c in the bios.

cerulean helm
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Aha, So I cannot use both m.2 drives on this z370 board or it shuts off some of the sata ports. So one nvme drive it is.

cerulean helm
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And last update for the night. Looks like my nic isn't compatable with Truenas for somereason. Won't register the network interface at all.

sonic meadow
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It has a much limited set of network adaptors it has drivers built in for. You may be able to find a way to get it working with some googling

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Or said googling will tell you "no"

cerulean helm
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All I can find is hit or miss. Amazon reviews pointed me that it would work. Its a broadcom 57810 chipset.

surreal moss
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That should work. TrueNAS runs BSD under the hood. Look for compatible drivers that way and you should be able to get it on the network.

cerulean helm
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Okay, it does work, the io bracket was keeping it from fully inserting. So removed that and it picked it up fine. But not no io bracket. Gonna have to modify it somehow.

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Cant get my PCIE SSDs to show up

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and i know they work because they show up imidiatly in my Asrock server board

cinder lagoon
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Got my shure mic and goxlr mini today. First time I've ever heard myself in my headphones while I talk. Unfortunately, I've yet to figure out how anyone else will.

mossy gull
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This may sounds dumb, but AMD finally fully released Fluid Motion Frames.
For the people that are unaware, you basically can stack FSR3 + Frame Generation with Fluid Motion, giving you even more fps in games.

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And I am happy

cinder lagoon
# jade scaffold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUCm4wKarpQ

Was really interested in an F16 before this video BUT

  • small trackpad
  • lack of alignment precision (at least on this unit)
  • apparently lackluster keyboard
  • pretty bad speakers (I could practically hear what he said about them before he opened his mouth)
  • really high price (open to still pay because laptop oif theseus)
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Also no touch display i.E. Unsuitable as a uni laptop imo

mossy gull
cinder lagoon
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That is true but being modular I highly susoect they will provide an OLED display in the future

surreal moss
glacial canyon
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Got the app to stop freezing, at least.

glacial canyon
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This is how I've set it, let me know if I've screwed up?

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The mic works within goxlr, but doesn't interact with other apps.

surreal moss
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Like itā€™s not getting forwarded back out?

cerulean helm
# cinder lagoon That shouldn't happen - pic of the thing with the bracket? I suspect inserted wr...

No the io bracket doesn't let the nic fully seat. Its several millimeters off.
This is the nic I have:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X9T683K?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

10Gb SFP+ PCI-E Network Card NIC, with Broadcom BCM57810S Chip, Dua...

BCM-57810-2S based on Broadcom BCM57810S, is the solution of choice for workload intensive computing environments, providing a reliable, high-performance 10GbE connectivity solution. Features: Dual-port 10GbE connectivity for rack and tower servers x8 PCI Express; (PCIe;) V2.0 (5 GT/s) support Fu...

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OBS picks up the game, but not the mic.

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Since I'm not mixing anything in it anymore, I'm giving OBS the combined audio.

cerulean helm
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Oi. Came home from work and went to mess with the network card io bracket and turned the server on to see the motherboard changed the disk boot load order to one of the HDD disks and not the m.2 nvme drive.

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Fixed that and the server boots but now can't access the web gui.
Can't win with this thing.

glacial canyon
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Maybe there's something going on with app permissions, or something...

cerulean helm
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No idea, trying to enter the web gui it just times out. And the server file under network locations in explorer is got a red x on it.

glacial canyon
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Oh, I was thinking aloud about my mic issue.

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knows nothing about servers

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Aha! I have it working with audacity... playback's a lot quieter.

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Ah, looks like I need to things seperately in OBS anyway... or just not use 'desktop audio' doy.

cinder lagoon
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Make sure to always take screenshots in PNG format, not jpg or anything else with compression :p

cerulean helm
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Ended up resetting the server config and starting over. Can now access Truenas web gui. Have all the same settings applied but for whatever reason I cannot map the new drive in windows.

glacial canyon
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It is png. Open in new tab.

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I think I've got mic and system balanced now, so I'll be heading off to bed. I may need to get a quieter keyboard at some point, heh.

cinder lagoon
glacial canyon
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Yeah, it's cheeky like that.

cinder lagoon
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Cause why would it "just work", right?

glacial canyon
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That would be too easy.

surreal moss
cerulean helm
# surreal moss You set up the SMB on the NAS?

So I just figuired it out. As I am using Windows filesharing and sharing Windows login credentials I didn't realize that in TrueNas the full name and username must match the Microsoft account name. I only thought the username had to match the Microsoft account.

surreal moss
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Oh good to know

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Nice job

cinder lagoon
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yeah its probably like the active directory fuckery

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logging into network shares from windows requires the username to be in format domain/username where domain is the device name, if no PC group is set up

surreal moss
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Both of mine at work are on AD so

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So my server has a 3x 5.25 bay slot not being used and if I take out the drive bay cage I can fit a larger gpu in the server for use in vm for streaming and such. I am looking for a bracket of some kind that fits in a 3x 5.25 slot. I see one in this video. No idea where to find it though.
https://youtu.be/yYfe9iin0gY?t=225

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Well, full stop on installing my 2080 ti I had in the server. The Seasonic PSU didn't come with enough pcie connectors. Had to order more. Fortunately CableMod on Amazon had the exact ones.

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Both. I need something to cover the 3x 5.25 opening with the drive cage pulled out. I figuired a fan would be best with a gpu right there.

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I have other gpus that will work but they are older and I want the better nvenc encoder. I a bright note, in going through my gpu stash I found by EVGA 660, lol.

cinder lagoon
cerulean helm
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PSU is a Seasonic Focus PX-750.

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And the video I linked shows the exact bracket that is a fan mount for the same server case I have. I just can't find it.

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sonic meadow
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If it's just being used for light duty 3d loads and video encoding you could likely cut the power budget/target on it quite significantly

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Or even maybe not connect the 6 pin šŸ¤”, though that may cause the card to fail POST. Never tried it on a card with multiple connectors

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sonic meadow
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You might not find that information online. Tbh if it's not too difficult to I would just test it myself

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2x8+1x6 is 300-375w, which is above the 250w official tdp. (2x8 is 300w)

cerulean helm
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I guess I could check.

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That would be a no.

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Oh well, I have extra cable mod cables that will be here friday.

cinder lagoon
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I mean... it should be fine....
but it COULD run into trouble, given that the hard drives and fans also draw from the 12V rail

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cerulean helm
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Well on MSI own website for that gpu it states a 650w is recommended. zthe 8700k is set to stock bios.

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And it will only be used for encoding, nothing more.

cinder lagoon
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Ay at least the PSU got good overcurrent protection šŸ˜›

cerulean helm
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Well, I went with Seasonic for a reason (not to mention its a smaller atx psu). I could have rolled the dice with a Thermaltake 850w psu from 2011. Didn't feel like making that bet though.

jade scaffold
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in theory my PC shouldnt pull 1000W if you dont account everything properly

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but i can actually tripp my PSU

cerulean helm
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CableMod cables came in and the 2080 ti is now installed in the server. Plan is to use a VM and stream from the server.

jade scaffold
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noice

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why

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why is only 1 showing up

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there should be 4 of thoes 1.8tb drives

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and i know they all work

sonic meadow
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Do they show in disk management?

jade scaffold
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they show in HW Info

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so one would asume

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ive even got like temp sensors on them

sonic meadow
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It's possible they dont have drive letters assigned. Check disk management

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sonic meadow
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Hmm. Does device manager show them at all? Are they healthy/installed properly?

jade scaffold
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all should be installed properly i threw them in my server and they showed up then just transfered the cards they were on into my Main pc

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this Mobo should Auto Bifurcate

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and even if it didnt i'd expect to see atleast 2 drives

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nope only the 1 intel drive

sonic meadow
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My second query then was a follow-up for them in device manager.

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Darn

jade scaffold
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funny enough that 1 that is showing up wasnt yesterday

sonic meadow
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Are you sure it auto bifurcates and that you don't need to enable it in the bios?

jade scaffold
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yep

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bifurcation i made sure was set to auto for each PCIE slot group

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mobo manuel isnt very descriptive on what thing in the bios = what slot on the board which really is unhelp full because this thing is covered in PCIE slots of all sorts

sonic meadow
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I'm guessing it's a 4 in 1 m.2 board?
Does your bios/uefi enumerate/list connected pcie devices? I know some do, but not all

jade scaffold
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so its 2 cards in 2 different slots so if it was just that its not bifrucating i would expect 2 drives to be active

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Im never buying a super micro Mobo ever again

sonic meadow
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8x electrical? Can the two slots be 8x at the same time?
Motherboard slot/lane assignment can be hinky

jade scaffold
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every PCIE port on this mobo can be active simultaneously at the ports rated full speed

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i could try buy a cable for the dedicated Dual NVME Ports on the board i guess

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maybe thoes NVME ports will pick up the NVME SSDs easier

sonic meadow
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Silly question: is the second card (or first, dunno which isn't reading) properly seated?

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And the u.2 cables too I guess

jade scaffold
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yep i double checked that when i was last fucking with it

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the U.2 Cards are just drives streight plugged into the adin card the drives are screwed in and wouldnt be able to be screewed in if not aligned with the ports properly

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shoulda just tried to get my hands on the ASrock board
Coulda had a Black PCB then too

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they are gen 3 drives in a gen 5 board

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but that shouldnt matter

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the board even behaves properly with my gen 4 pcie riser im using for my gpu

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this one drive being the only drive to show up is the most taunting shit i ever have seen i wanted to run all 4 drives in like a little redundant raid array 3 drives worth of storeage and 1 drives worth of parity

so despite this 1 drive showingup i cant even use it

cinder lagoon
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HW info uses Smart commands to query drives, they go thru the motherboard so if the mobo sees them, theres an issue with the software obviously.

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the software (as always) being windows (:

jade scaffold
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Nope I'm.actually still stuck on win 10

cinder lagoon
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new motherboard?

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/chipset?

jade scaffold
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Yep

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Wouldn't let me install windows

cinder lagoon
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reinstall chipset drivers

jade scaffold
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Super micro mobos are shit

cinder lagoon
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well thats a server board, aint it

jade scaffold
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Already reinstalled the mobos drivers

jade scaffold
cinder lagoon
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run diskpart list disk for me, will you

cinder lagoon
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cinder lagoon
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hm aight

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r/softwaregore

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there's some more low-level commands than diskpart that might reveal a hardware-path and what happened.
Try check event log too! in System tab, find the last shutdown date, then scroll back like 50 more messages (the system time doesn't change until after some hardware stuff loads) - there might be disk messages in there

jade scaffold
cinder lagoon
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ohh and did you check device manager with hidden devices etc enabled?

jade scaffold
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Not entirely sure whats happening
in theory the Mobo shouldnt actually have any interaction with the drives

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it should just be PCIE streight to the CPU

cinder lagoon
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so its only the U.2 drives missing

jade scaffold
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yes

cinder lagoon
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ahhh hmmm

jade scaffold
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and only 3 of the 4 of them

cinder lagoon
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windows non-server incompat with U.2?

jade scaffold
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its working with 1

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and yea

cinder lagoon
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ahh hmmm

jade scaffold
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U.2 is identical to M.2 windows has no way to tell them apart

cinder lagoon
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hmm aight
i would try with linux next

jade scaffold
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i will need to upgrade the windows install at some point anyway

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normal windows doesnt support more than dual channel memory aparently

cinder lagoon
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nah I mean just a ubuntu live boot and look in disk manager

jade scaffold
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yea

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ill do that another day

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with friends atm

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but yea this is weird issue i'd kinda expect the drives to just show up
and it cant be a birfucation problem

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maybe ill try using the dedicated NVME ports on the board

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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and no the mobo manuel doesnt tell me whats what

cinder lagoon
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example?

jade scaffold
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i cba going into bios to take a pic atm but it names them like
P(x)
M(x)
G(x)

and the different letters dont atall line up with any of the different types of PCIE Slot on them

cinder lagoon
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huh thats stupid

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I'd guess top to bottom in the list = top to bottom on the board but it might be different

jade scaffold
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one issue with that ive got PCIE Slots everywhere

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theres ones along the side you can see which are gen 5 x8 NVME ports

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theres 3 of thoes but not 3 options that one would correlate to them

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Super micros Bios is a joke

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i can also bifrucate the M.2 slots i belive because Sure why not

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all bifrucation on EPYC Genoa is done CPU side so why not

cinder lagoon
jade scaffold
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yea Epycs whole thing is PCIE functionality

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128 Gen5 lanes + a bunch of others

cinder lagoon
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what about those markings tho?

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wait the BIOS is crappily labeled