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[jade scaffold]

Noctua should make GPU cookers you can mount to you GPU

Yes cookers

Fukin auto correct

[pearl moon]

And the chads straight up selling pre-waterblocked cards to skip the hassle of doing it yourself and potentially voiding a warranty.

[jade scaffold]

It keeps trying to correct some things to emoji's it's really annoying

[pearl moon]

Oh you mean like those madlads who do deshroud mods, but sell premade kits? I'd be down.

[pearl moon]

My phone's keyboard doesn't even have autocorrect. As in no option for any autocorrect.

[jade scaffold]

Nothing I buy except for some of my high end server shit has warentees it's all bought second hand xD

Noctua should make like a 7 slot GPU tower cooler

[pearl moon]

I like warranties when they're from companies i know have good customer service like EVGA.

[sonic meadow]

its called duct taping a u15 to a gpu 😛

[jade scaffold]

No good reason to do so but funny big noctua cooler

[pearl moon]

I 100% wanna get an EVGA PSU and see how long it lasts before it dies.

[sonic meadow]

cpu towers tend to work really well on gpus, the power density tends to be much lower on them, plus they have much higher airflow (no massive card to act as backpressure) than the stock coolers

[pearl moon]

Only problem being you need a big af case to fit one to the gpu

[sonic meadow]

well yeah

not broad, but tall

[pearl moon]

Which in and of itself is typically expensive

[jade scaffold]

Straps nhd15 to 4090 with malicious intent

[sonic meadow]

looks like someone attached the noctua fanless cooler to a gpu (or so says this youtube thumbnail)

[jade scaffold]

Also yea because gpus are so wide and are direct dye cooled even older CPU aios can cool then amazingly

[sonic meadow]

its beautiful

[jade scaffold]

My 1080ti would pull 300w had a CPU aio janked into it never went above 45c truly beautiful

Got that same aio on my 105w Ryzen 7 5800x and I get way higher temps

[sonic meadow]

gpus are waaaay easier to cool than cpus

the 5800x runs hot, bit irritating really

even worse it idles hot

[jade scaffold]

I can keep it at 70c though

Temperature below 85c is fine

It's actually ideal to keep the temperature variance when going from no load to high load as low as possible

As long as you don't go into the temp zone of death it doesn't really matter what the temp is unless you are trying to squeeze maximum performance out if it

[sonic meadow]

you still lose a bit of performance going high, even at 70c you are still down a few boost bins

[jade scaffold]

Yea you are

But I'm still hitting 4.85ghz

Which is well above it's rated boost speed

With a newer cooler with a higher flow rate might be able to get that a bit lower and have it push to 5ghz which I know good ones can do if it's only single threaded tasks they are doing

I think it's after 65 c you start dropping down boost bins on and cpus though I might be remembering Nvidia gpus there

[sonic meadow]

I think nvidia gpus were a bit lower than that, at least from something I vaguely remember Jay saying 🤔

[jade scaffold]

Might be 55c

Definitely not lower than that

You will still get better performance if you drop temps more you know drop in resistance and all that

[pearl moon]

The 5800x is known for being particularly hot running, because all the heat is focused on one side rather than being spread out across the die.

[jade scaffold]

I should direct die cool next gen threadripper

That sounds like fun

[jade scaffold]

Ok so I'm a man with a plan I'm gonna relocate my server into a really small case then buy the most overkill PSU imaginable for the main pc and just cram my lil server into something cute maybe have it on my desk as a display pc

Ok so for the server I want a really small itx case though something with still enough room to cool a 255w CPU with a liquid cooling loop

[jade scaffold]

The HGC Osmi 3.1 looks pretty promising

It's got space for 2 fans not sure if I can squeez a rad in there or not

[cinder lagoon]

look at the cases DerBauer or LTT made small liquid cooled PCs in - they mostly used a GPU but you can allocate that space to more rads

also Corsair has a couple (vertical) sff cases for DIY computers

[jade scaffold]

Ltt have very few actually small liquid cool builds tbh.
The ridge as far as a slim case goes is a pretty good option I could mount a dual 240mm rad

[cerulean helm]

Well, I think I found the case for when I build my home server.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyNLumXpu2U

[sacred seal]

Glad I learned unreal instead of unity, unity just added a 20 cent fee every time a player installs your game. Not buys, installs. And it applies retroactively to games that already exist

[balmy flicker]

so DRG deves are safe but I know a good number of small sand box games are unity

also opens up a new form of review bombing, Install bombing

[inland dove]

WHAT

How would they even enforce that?

Is that legal?

[barren juniper]

yeah and now apple is spinning the usbc change as a positive one

and people are still complaining about how getting the right cable can be "confusing"

needless to say, i will not be getting the iphone 15. my redmi note 11 serves me just fine for now

yeah the cell service is shit because i have to use tmobile ( i live in the us)

[surreal moss]

They’re saying it’s not retroactive

And it’s after a per annum threshold from what I can tell

[barren juniper]

now thats a funny one

[surreal moss]

Counting “per install” is the only thing that strikes me as an issue

[barren juniper]

yeah that sounds like that would be super exploitable

[balmy flicker]

hence the install bombing

[barren juniper]

yeah i know its only 10 cents but that adds up

or 20 cents

[surreal moss]

Not saying how they’re identifying the install also strikes me as problematic

[barren juniper]

also does anyone know if someone had made a spreadsheet of the most efficient cpu gpu combos for gaming out there? reason being is my new living space is very small and very well insulated, but has very poor ventilation and with my current computer (which is only a laptop) causes my room to get extremely hot quite quickly

ive also considered water cooling and just dumping the heat outside, but that might call for cutting or drilling through a wall

[sacred seal]

Was that just misreported then, or is it retroactive

My understanding is that you needed to make 200k a year in revenue for it to kick in and 200k liftime installs, but games that already existed or are in active development would have to pay the fee as well

As for how they would make it work for older games, IDK.

Ah, clarity. Its not retroactive in the sense that you will have to pay fees for installs that happened before, but it is retroactive in that it affects games that are already released

[surreal moss]

And the count and income would be based on the preceding 12 months

[sacred seal]

Count is lifetime

[surreal moss]

Oh right. I misunderstood that

Which… yeah, per install just seems weird

[sacred seal]

So if your game costs 20$s, and it sold really well initially, you only need to sell 10000 copies a year to stay affected

Less then epics fees, but you are also paying a annual licence to dev

[surreal moss]

I thought personal was free

[sacred seal]

And the fact they are changing the deal after the fact is real scummy

Personal is free up to 200k in revinue

[surreal moss]

So… that doesn’t change

[sacred seal]

Nope, it wont affect the real tiny guys

But that revenue includes funding.

Not a lot of studios that can operate at less then 200k a year

[surreal moss]

Still, a solo dev only needs to make 5k units sold a year to hit $100k

That’s nothing to scoff at for a personal income

[sacred seal]

Not a lot of solo devs who release a produce, let alone a successful one

The overall cost is not bad, I would say the average person is going to install a game twice. That's 40 cents

But say your game is 1$. Or 5$s, thats somewhere between 10 and 40%

[surreal moss]

I don’t think per install is a proper metric though. Not without some clarity from Unity on how they’re registering the installs

[sacred seal]

Its the first install on a OS

[surreal moss]

Where are you seeing first install?

[sacred seal]

You reinstall the OS and reinstall the game, or you install on a different PC, that's a install

They added some clarity in a tweet at some point I believe

The roll out has been a mess
Charity games are also not applicable

Or products that have been given away for free

So apparently something like genshin impact would not be affected

[surreal moss]

Let me dig that back up

[sacred seal]

My understanding is that gamepass games and other streaming services would be affected though

As would web games

Which is bonkers as those are installed every time you play them

Granted I am not aware of any paid web game

[surreal moss]

This is the faq published
https://forum.unity.com/threads/unity-plan-pricing-and-packaging-updates.1482750/

Q: If a user reinstalls/redownloads a game / changes their hardware, will that count as multiple installs?
A: Yes. The creator will need to pay for all future installs. The reason is that Unity doesn’t receive end-player information, just aggregate data.

[sacred seal]

Those are the most corprate answers I have ever heard

[surreal moss]

Lol ikr

[sacred seal]

Seems like its not completely up to date, it was edited yesterday, they have been releasing tweets today

[surreal moss]

That response in particular makes me question it being the first install per os

[sacred seal]

Granted I havent seen the tweet, only that people have reported that bieng the case

[surreal moss]

Yeah, that’s where I got that link

[sacred seal]

I work for a super small project, and while we are using unreal, we probably already have 200 installs just by testing in our team (release a build, 10 people download it) A larger studio could potentially get close to the 200k installs without even releasing the product

Or at least publiclly

[surreal moss]

Which it’s why they should explain how they’re tracking the installs

[sacred seal]

I doubt they will, well at least until they get sued (which they will)

[barren juniper]

yeah that sounds like sue city

bet some legal guys are already looking this over

[sacred seal]

It doesn't even sound like they are tracking installs directly, but rather looking at a games sales data and extrapolating based on that

[jade scaffold]

Which is stupid

Why not then just have a percentage based fee for any games over a certain price

[sacred seal]

No clue. They thought that that would somehow go down worse?

With execs selling shares something seems to be up

[jade scaffold]

I still don't get how they can enforce it

You can make and sell games with the totally free version of unity don't even have to use the pro version they got in trouble a few years ago when they emailed a bunch of game Devs threating them and the ksp Devs came back at them swinging

[pearl moon]

If this goes through, big companies will bot the fuck out of mass installs of their competitor's unity games to cut into their bottom line.

[spiral hedge]

i need tiemzones to add

hit me with them

[jade scaffold]

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/

Enjoy this long long list of time zones and their abbreviations

[spiral hedge]

i want to add the relevant ones not the ones for hte netire world 👀

If people cna remaber them then their relevant as their being used

or i would be doing a very long list of them 🤣

[sonic meadow]

well first I would decide if you were planning on having both daylight savings and standard timezones, and if so to make sure you are consistent about it. For instance you have both AEDT (Daylight savings) and AEST (Standard), but only NZDT (daylight savings), but not NZST (standard)

[spiral hedge]

i havent had time to add them which is the main problem so thats why i was going to add all the main ones people mention and their daylight savings

it is using IANA tehcnically

[amber fable]

No! Don't! Bad! Bad programmer! No energy drink!

Do not hard code this shit.

Get one of the many, many libraries that load the data from the IANA timezone database

Assuming Javascript, you could use something like Intl.supportedValuesOf('timeZone') to get a list of all time zone names supported by your environment.

[amber fable]

Timezone abbreviation from timezone name:

new Intl.DateTimeFormat("en-US", {timeZoneName: "short", timeZone: "Asia/Kolkata"}).formatToParts().find(({type}) => type === "timeZoneName").value

Note: These abbreviations are locale dependent! They are NOT an international standard the way time zone names are.

[spiral hedge]

i want to do that but it doesnt let me do that on google scripts D:

probley gonna get alot of lectures on my code 🤣

[spiral hedge]

realized i accidentally posted it as silent but yes @amber fable sadly i dont get that option however i am very close to getting this to work

[cinder lagoon]

Go on a time zone map
add all 24 time zones
for each time zone get the biggest 2 capitals of the time zone

[surreal moss]

Don’t forget Mumbai is special and has half a time zone

[cinder lagoon]

Also don't bother with the pacific islands they sometimes have 3 zones per island or island group

[barren juniper]

yeah im pretty sure all of india is

as well as parts of australlia

[cinder lagoon]

So apparently AMD is preparing hybrid big.LITTLE architectures for their CPUs.
Here's a Die shot of an upcoming laptop chip.
The four Zen 4c cores take up only slightly more space than the two Zen 4 cores, feature the same functions, apparently same amount of cache but everything with less frequency.
The cores clocking lower is done becaus there need to be less "fill transistors" in-between which are added to the "full" cores to spread the heat more.

Given that games still mostly use only 4-6 cores, I'm kinda amped because now I don't need to go Intel, if I want some productivity-boosters :p

[mossy gull]

AMD also will have hyper-threading on all cores, even the e-cores.

[spiral hedge]

yes

now the main problem i need to figure out is why it keeps breaking 🤣

[jade scaffold]

interesting thing to do kinda neglects the point of a Efficiency style core but the extra performance when you slam it with somthing will be nice

[mossy gull]

There's laptops with very efficient CPUs and still have hyperthreading, so why can't they do it on a big.LITTLE CPU?

[jade scaffold]

E cores arent really meant to do things that would take much advantage of hyper threading and hyper threading is incredibly power intensive which balences out if you are actually taking full advantage of the threads but if you have a thin and light and all your gonna be doing is browsing the web and just very light tasks generally it'll just consume more power than is required

same way that 3D V-Cache is fantastic for efficiency when a processor is under load but not so much for when one isn't

the ultimate big little design would be an Arm X86 hybrid, or even RISK V use the lower instruction set cores to just run the OS and browsers note pad stuff like that and they'd consume next to no power then use the X86 ones to do the really demanding stuff that can actually utilise the advantages X86 has

[mossy gull]

But hyperthreading can also seen as a form of efficiency as you're done quicker with a task.

And to be honest Intel's e-cores are everything but efficient,

[jade scaffold]

Not everything makes use of hyperthreading

Also Intel's E cores are remarkably efficient

We also already know how efficient zen 4c cores are

Both with and without hyperthreading

[mossy gull]

They aren't efficient.
If they were they wouldn't suck 3 times the amount of energy AMD CPUs do.

[jade scaffold]

thats...

thats not how CPUs work

the reason Intel CPUs pull so much power isnt because they are inefficient its because out of the box they are set to pull as much power as they want

Ryzen 7000 does the same stupid fucking thing

its really dumb because for "Gaming" or anything that isnt going to choke slam a 16 core or 24 core CPU

these cpus dont loose any performance that would be noticable when run at 65w

intels E Cores pull 5W each thats literally nothing

amds new ones probs wont pull much if any more

[mossy gull]

And yet, on laptops, Intel still has half the battery life over AMD.
While AMD, which are only P-cores should be in theory much less efficient.

Efficiency also can be take out of things done quick.
If you have half the power, but take 4 times as long, you still use double the power for the same thing.

[jade scaffold]

Ryzen 7950x literally pulls more power than a 128 core CPU

why?

these CPUs can be really efficint if just ya know fucking told not to draw all available socket power

intels laptop cpus are utterly supid agressive with boosting still is their issue

and W10s core sceduler for them is half functional at the best of times

also more threads doesnt equal more fast

thats stupid

more threads = more fast in things that utilise them
if they sit idle they draw excess idle power they wouldnt otherwise draw

[mossy gull]

Intel's E-cores still aren't as efficient as they sound.
Them being literally half the speed of a P-core can actually harm their efficiency.

[jade scaffold]

its why AMD literally have a no hyper threading version of their Zen 4C Epyc CPUs some things just dont benifit from having hyper threading

intels P cores would literally have to be 3-4x faster than their E cores to make E cores inefficient

and spoiler they arent

[mossy gull]

If a task takes longer, you use more power.

[jade scaffold]

only if both processors are equivelent

takes an M2 mac longer than a 13900k to do almost anything

still a vastly more efficient CPU

[mossy gull]

A 20w chip vs a 250w chip, kinda sounds obvious.
Not to mention their instruction set is different, and MacOS always been more efficient compared to Windows

[jade scaffold]

also intels E cores are comparable to 9th gen full fat cores with hyper threading making them equivilent also to Zen 2 in performance making them vastly more efficient still than either Zen 3 or Zen 4

THE INSTRUCTION SET OF AN E CORE VS A P CORE IS DIFFERENT

its why E cores and Zen4C cores flat out cannot run certain things

they are lacking alot of the bloat X86 has accumulated over time

as such their physical structure can actually be a metric shit tonne smaller than normal X86 which improves their efficiency rather drastically

[mossy gull]

Or it makes them more inefficient because they have to emulate to run the same stuff.

[jade scaffold]

:I

thats what the full fat X86 cores are for bozo

thats why these consumer chips are hybrid

and the Eypcs arent

[mossy gull]

So you basically say, that AMD's hyperthreaded e-cores are useless and will consume more power than Intel's?

[jade scaffold]

im saying putting hyper threading on somthing that isnt desinged for the prupose of being slamed is stupid

in the same way putting 3D V-cache on anthing meant to be effcient at idle is stupid

[mossy gull]

It's AMD, maybe they found a way to make them very efficient while still having hyperthreading.

[jade scaffold]

no

no they didnt

thats not how physics works

i dont doubt they are very efficient

after all AMDs boosting algorithms are alot smarter than intels and their CPUs generally are more efficient

but whats the fucking point in making an E core with hyper threading

its a laptop CPU if you pin it at 100% the battery is gonna die in 1 hr anyway

[mossy gull]

Compatibility with different operating systems.

[jade scaffold]

...

pretty much every os on the plannet can run on a non hyper threaded CPU

the statistically speaking VAST MAJORITY of OSs can

windows can most all distros of Linux can

[mossy gull]

But some, like Windows 10, get confused with Intel's big.LITTLE CPU🙃

[jade scaffold]

hyper threading wouldnt solve that

thats W10s sceduler being WANK

thats a different thing entierly

W11 is much smarter with that kinda thing

[mossy gull]

I think AMD uses the extra speed to gain efficiency.
Which is also a thing.

[jade scaffold]

im borderline slamming my head against a wall here

thats not how that works
sure if you compare the CPUs being hit at 100%

but in a laptop 100% utilisation basically means plug me in or i will die

do things faster doesnt apply when between doing things you are just pissing extra power doing NOTHING

or even when doing things

some things dont use hyper threads or cant

so then its just sat there again

DOING NOTHING

for things that will make use of hyper threading thats what your Performance cores are for

[mossy gull]

What if the P-cores are occupied and the e-cores aren't?

[jade scaffold]

then your CPU needs therapy

either that or the E cores are there doing their ACTUAL JOB

running the little shit that takes away from the efficiency to do a task the P cores are doing

[mossy gull]

Okay, Cyberpunk 2077, can use 8 cores completely, CDPR said so themselves.
So you play CP2077, but you also want to stream with the help of OBS, a program that loves hyperthreading.
What then?
I guess you're an absolute dingus for wanting to do that?

[jade scaffold]

well no

because the E cores are turbo fast

it'd be like having a extra 2 i5 9400f dedicated to only running an os and OBS

[mossy gull]

Everywhere I read, hyperthreading actually does make a CPU more efficient.

[jade scaffold]

yea if they are being fully loaded

if they arent they do the opposite

again just like 3D v Cache where the power useage while idle or doing very little is MASSIVE compared to normal CPUs

[mossy gull]

With consumer devices you have to expect people to use them though, they aren't specialised loads.
For example playing an heavy game + OBS.

[jade scaffold]

OBS wouldnt stress out an E core

OBS hardly impacts my performace atall

[mossy gull]

It does stress out an i7-8650U while recording 🙃

[jade scaffold]

the 8650U is slower than E cores are

its also only got a max TDP across the entire package of 25w

so its advertised boost speed is irrelivent because ittle only hold that boost for about a minute before backing off on it

[mossy gull]

It does 55w in Turbo-boost when uncapped, thanks Intel, I really need the extra heat to slow down the entire system.

[jade scaffold]

you cant upcap it

its a laptop CPU

they dont let you do shit with it

its literally hard locked to a max of 25w

and it still doesnt have the newer boost algorithm

[mossy gull]

It isn't, I seen my SB2 i7-8650U reach 55w

[jade scaffold]

so it wont maintain Max Boost

EVER

[mossy gull]

I use to cap my CPU to 15w, because hey, I got double the performance, then Intel decided to block XTU all together on the 8650U and now it uses 55w in Turbo till it overheats then it uses 4w to cool down, uh this isn't a fun experience.

[jade scaffold]

the efficiency core speed on the 13th gen E core for on the 13700H is the same as the 8650Us base speed and because the 8650U Cannot boost more than 1 core to that magic 4.2Ghz and not for longer than 1 minute all other things remaining equal the 8650U would loose to the 13700Hs E cores alone ignoring the generational IPC improvement of around i think 30% or so or the fact the E cores will maintain a boost clock actually higher than the 8650Us boost clock will ever take it all while thoes E cores only pull 15W should say somthing about the merit and efficiency of E Cores

[mossy gull]

And yet Intel's laptop CPUs suck and make it possible to cook an egg on the laptop.
Okay the CPU don't suck, they just use a lot of power.

[jade scaffold]

OBS would be without issue on E cores or amds Zen 4C cores

[jade scaffold]

that literally has to be a hardware defect

the CPU is not able to be software boosted

like

its got fuses in it that are blown to prevent such things

[mossy gull]

It's an old joke, people use to do that on older metal laptops.

[jade scaffold]

i get that but the fact your cpu can allegedly pull 55w or what ever is either the software miss reporting or a rather collosal hardware defect

[mossy gull]

It's actually XTU and Harware Info reporting the same with NZXT CAM reporting lower.
This 55w only lasts till the CPU thermal throttles, which is very quick.
I use to limit the CPU to 15w with - 100mv undervolt, which h prevented the CPU to go past 90C while holding "turbo" the entire time.
But Intel blocked the XTU thing, saying it was never possible, and they put the CPU on 25w with Turbo at 55w.

Also my cable reports power usage, and I doubt a 1060 will use 80w in a CPU load.

[jade scaffold]

the XTU thing WAS never possible the CPU is meant to have fuses blown out on it that lock down the ability to OC it

[mossy gull]

I was never able to OC, people used it to undervolt with it.
Like why would you OC an U CPU?

[jade scaffold]

im talking about the 55w thing

the CPUs max turbo TDP was 25w

its totally package power can literally not exceed that

[mossy gull]

25w is the TDP-up level.
15w is the base TDP.
10w is the TDP-down level.

[jade scaffold]

so if it wasnts 1 core to boost high it has to shunt all the power from the other cores

[mossy gull]

So yes, the 8650U is able to use 25w without Turbo, it runs on 2.1 GHz base clock if you do

15w is goes down to 1.9GHz

10w it goes down to 1.8GHz

[jade scaffold]

yea and its not able to exceed that 25 w its 4.2 ghz boost clock can only be done on 1 core

[mossy gull]

Then why did XTU show 55w turbo?

[jade scaffold]

broken

as ive been saying

if its actual rate power was 55w

then intel have made a jump in CPU efficiency since then of over 3x which i dont think they have

[jade scaffold]

so what you are telling me in intel have jumped 3x in efficiency

because they are still less efficient than amd

and amds efficiency really didnt improve very quickly

i mean it did

[mossy gull]

My G15 AE does last longer on battery than my SB2, but that also could be down with age.
Not to mention the SB2 literally takes 10 times as long in heavy tasks.
Which also could be with age.

[jade scaffold]

but from 1000 - 7000 we havent had a trippling in efficiency which would be the equivilent to what intel would have done now from 8000 to 13000

the math isnt mathing

unless intels E cores are just that efficient

actually now i think about it the e cores can do in 15w what the 8650U can do in 55w

that puts things into perspective

[mossy gull]

8650U is also a 4-core

Also, I tried to run it without hyperthreading and it was like 1/4th the speed, which was a pain

[jade scaffold]

that lines up actually pretty well with the desktop E cores keeping up with the older gen 9th gen full fat cores at only a little bit less of a efficiency improvement

[jade scaffold]

that CPU is bricked then

Hyperthreading will double performance in absolute best case scenarios usually

in single threadded tests the power consumption penalty of the extra thead is actually measurable

[mossy gull]

Apparently it was normal behaviour, also only on the SB2 we were able to disable hyperthreading, on all other laptops with the same CPUs that option didn't exist.
Later MS and/or Intel removed the HT toggle.

[jade scaffold]

im talking about the 1/4th speed thing

again

the math doesnt math

[mossy gull]

It felt like it, doesn't mean it was 1/4th the speed.

I was a very hot day and I wanted to see if disabling HT decreased power consumption in games, fun fact, it did the opposite, and games ran very choppy.
After that I never disabled HT ever again, that was the early days of the SB2.

[jade scaffold]

anothing thing to note about hyper threads 2 threads isnt equal to 2 lots of 1 thread

[mossy gull]

I know, but the little boost the HTs do, sometimes can make things feel more snappy instead of choppy.

[jade scaffold]

they dont do little boosts

a Core in a CPU isnt actually just 1 processor

its a cluster of execution units

[mossy gull]

We're not talking about the 500+ HT CPU that only has a few cores I hope?

[jade scaffold]

no

im talking about a normal CPU

[mossy gull]

I know a hyperthread is basically a tad slower than an actual core, I don't remember who explained that to me.

[jade scaffold]

not remotely how it works atall actaually

sometimes 1 task might utilise them all so some will sit idel. thats what thread 2 does it gives thoes other unused ones something to do

[mossy gull]

All I know is my SB2 sucks with HT

[jade scaffold]

Hyper threading used to be alot more Hit an miss than it is now

you know how people say 1 processor in a CPU cant multi task

only true for single thread CPUs

[mossy gull]

That I know,

[jade scaffold]

if you have 1 core 1 thread

you can do 1 thing at a time

if you have 1 core 2 thread you can technically do 2

[mossy gull]

596 thread 8 core CPU🙃

[jade scaffold]

very good for massive data sets

if you need a CPU for data fetching thats an absurdly efficient way to go about it

[mossy gull]

It would be very toasty as well though

[jade scaffold]

yea but data centres dont give a shit

they will have 8 gpus crammed into a system

each of which pulls 700W

the ammount of shits they give about a 300w cpu is neglegable

[mossy gull]

Now I want to do a crazy experiment.
Trying to cook an egg on the watercooling of my PC, although the 5800X3D isn't that power hungry

[jade scaffold]

ryzen 5000 though is plenty hot running

[mossy gull]

5800X3D usually sits around 60c in my system

My radiator is outside my house, I didn't want it to dump the heat in my room

Plan 2: lets buy a Threadripper, then cook an egg on the watercooling

[jade scaffold]

but yea back to why E cores shouldnt have 2 threads

they dont have as many execution units because they are so much smaller

as such 1 extra thread doesnt benifit them nearly as much as for a full fat x86 cpu

[mossy gull]

I still think it'll be beneficial.

[jade scaffold]

marginally

15% tops

not worth the increased idle power draw

[mossy gull]

Depends on how AMD does it, their CPUs are wack lately

[jade scaffold]

their CPUs recently have been pretty normal

interesting they went the mixed CPU rout tho

on a potato chip

only 2 performance cores

at that point why even bother with the E cores

[mossy gull]

Intel actually has a CPU with 2P + 6E cores, it's an absolutely useless CPU

[jade scaffold]

yea

why would you have that

may as well have the E cores by them self

then the chip would consume like no power

and it'd work amazingly for web browsing and school stuffs

because having ryzen 3000 equivilent performing chip at a fraction the power cost would be fantastic for a snappy experience

[mossy gull]

Funny enough, on paper that CPU is slower than my 8650U by 10%😃

[jade scaffold]

you are missing somt math there

[mossy gull]

They're just benchmarks, when are they correct

[jade scaffold]

wait is it a celleron your comparing to

if its one of the new cellerons then that makes sense

because they have no hyper threading atall

their like chrome book CPUs

[mossy gull]

I did call it useless, didn't I?

[mossy gull]

Companies put them in Windows tablets

[jade scaffold]

yea that makes sense

its basically an x86 phone CPU

[mossy gull]

It gets beaten by an inefficient tablet CPU from at least 5 years ago 🙃

[jade scaffold]

at a literal 5th or below power draw

which is right inline with the expected efficieny

[mossy gull]

Even my 5800HX on 10w is faster

[jade scaffold]

8 full fat cores
Vs 2 none hyper threaded P cores and 6 E cores

[mossy gull]

It's still years older🙃

[jade scaffold]

i dont even know the exact CPU you are refering to i just somewhat remember its specs

its fully possibile its a sub 10w chip

if its in a tablet

also 5800hx would be the same age as this chip you are refering to if not only slightly older

because 13th gen doesnt have any 2 core 6e core tablet grade CPUs

[mossy gull]

5800HX should be around 2 years by now

[jade scaffold]

i cant even find the 5800hx

[mossy gull]

My bad, R9 5900HX

[jade scaffold]

2021

[mossy gull]

I get confused with my 5800X3D 🤣

[jade scaffold]

12th gen was 2022 and was the first time intel tried the hybrid architecture

its why 13th gen is such a big jump over it

10% in single core and uptop 45% in multi threaded

[mossy gull]

And yet, the i9 13900K loses against the 7800X3D in games🙃

[jade scaffold]

the 13900k competes with the 7800x

which it wins against

the 7000 x3d was made pretty much soley to cling back the gaming title from intel

the nature of good competition at its finest

[mossy gull]

What if X3D becomes AMD's answer to slower cores on all their CPUs

[jade scaffold]

x3D is inefficient at low loads

fine for desktop use

Abysmal for mobile or laptop use

[mossy gull]

A lot of programs I use love CPU cache though

[jade scaffold]

irrellivent

[mossy gull]

AMD is going to build laptop CPUs with X3D though

[jade scaffold]

if the CPU is not suitably stressed less flexible voltage will push up idel power draw significantly

they are building 1 of them this generation

for a gaming laptop that already would have terible battery life

there needs to be a distinction made between desktop replacements and laptops

[mossy gull]

Hey, Strix laptops have amazing 1.5 hour gaming time 🤣

[jade scaffold]

1.5 hours if you frame lock MC to 60fps

more like 45min if you start cyberpunk up

[mossy gull]

1.5 hours is in Cyberpunk on the G15 AE

At abysmal fps😃

Don't ask me how I know, I 1 time forgot to plug it in

[jade scaffold]

the G15 is like an inch thick

[mossy gull]

Yes

I don't know what an inch is but yes

[jade scaffold]

2.5cm

ish

close enough

also the G15 AE cant do 1.5 hours

not without being massivly underclocked

it can do half an hour going full tilt

MAXIMUM

[mossy gull]

It's an amazing laptop for its price, I got it for €1800.-, every laptop with 3070 costed around 400 more

[jade scaffold]

if you limit its power down a bunch you can get away with a bit more time on it

0.6 hours at 150w

[mossy gull]

Trust me, it does that🤣
It disables OC, and goes into silent mode.

[jade scaffold]

it would have to pull 60w to get 1.5 hours

which its not going to do

the gpu alone pulls like 115w on the low end

it can pull upto 150w just the gpu

[mossy gull]

It has a 99wh battery

[jade scaffold]

its 90

not 99

[mossy gull]

The CPU can pull 100w if it wanted to

Or well, that's the limit Asus put on it

[jade scaffold]

its got dynamic power

[mossy gull]

You could say they were pretty generous

[jade scaffold]

it can pull a absolute max of 225w

but it can shift power between the CPU and GPU as needed

[mossy gull]

And still they give me a 280w brick

[jade scaffold]

5w for all the RGB 20w for the screen bits and bobs for VRM inefficiencys running RAM chips set SSDs the such

[mossy gull]

I accidentally broke the bottom RGB

Because Asus in their infinite Wisdom never learned from Lenovo and Alienware

Instead lets use a ribbon cable🤣

Also, at tops my laptop uses 240w.

[jade scaffold]

also undervolted my 3090

lost 2 FPS in star field gained back about 10 from upping my memory clock

GPU board power at 260W

max settings as well

with tensor cores being used to run DLSS2

the decreased tempurature arround the core as a result of the lower power draw actually lets me get my VRAM alot higher in clock

[pearl moon]

I need to learn how to oc now that i figured out my intermittent shutdown issue, especially cause DCS VR wants absolutely all the memory speed you can give it.

[pearl moon]

Lmao, on nvidia auto OC and maxed power limit of 113% my 3080 12gb will casually pull 450w

Which means if i'm running cpu and gpu at 100% tilt, they will pull 570w, plus fans, sound card, what little rgb i do run, etc.

[cinder lagoon]

feeling this spiritually rn

[jade scaffold]

Truly a fantastic design

[pearl moon]

Before and after, had to get these 180° connectors cause the pcie cables were being bent by the glass and therefor disconnecting and causing my whole pc to shutdown as it should when something disconnects.

Didn't blowup after a benchmark either

[mossy gull]

180° connectors look funky

[pearl moon]

They do, and some of them actually look decent, but i went for the lowest profile option as my goal was to minimize the chance of interaction with the glass.

They don't have those clips on the bottom like they do on the top, but the friction fit is good enough that they won't come loose on their own.

[mossy gull]

@wary frigate this channel?

[wary frigate]

This exists?

[mossy gull]

Yes

[wary frigate]

wow

cool

[cerulean helm]

Lovely, my NAS has decided to disconnect from the local network. Hoping a reset will fix the issue.

[jade scaffold]

As happens

Nas really just be like

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[mossy gull]

That's why I have a server instead of a NAS, sadly the server decides to reboot while moving files

[jade scaffold]

XD

[amber fable]

This is not something you ever want to see...

[barren juniper]

I doubt this is a thing, but does anyone know if there is a wireless headphones/headset that used standard batteries, like aa or aaa batteries, so if the battery dies I don't have to throw it out?

[amber fable]

TLDR: No, I do not. Someone else may though.

Wireless stuff is almost never worth the trouble in my experience.

Except mice. Wireless mice are nice. Although I would never get one that doesn't have a charging mouse pad like the logitech gaming mice have, since the damn batteries a never charged when you need them.

Headphones are probably the worst thing to get wireless IMHO. Removeable batteries alleviate the issue somewhat, but they don't fix it. Save your money, and spend the effort in figuring out a good way to route a cord.

[balmy flicker]

I like my wire less head set it lets me cook and listen to YT podcasts on the PC but I am a bit of a special case

[mossy gull]

Corsair Dark Core RGB SE has a Qi receiver, all you need is a phone Qi charger

I use wireless Internet like 90% of the time, but then I am close to an access point

Which support WiFi 6

[barren juniper]

yeah the wifi in my house is dogshit

so that wont work

[cinder lagoon]

oooof... loosemconnection somewhere

[cinder lagoon]

nope thats pretty nuch not a thing but most people just recharge their wireless equipment if the battery dies

[jade scaffold]

There's a couple headsets with hot swap batteries

[cinder lagoon]

jokes aside - you're probably able to replace the built-in batteries yourself.
overear headphones are mostly just so big because of the human ergonomics - most of them is filled with air.
Sourcing a suitable replacement battery is just a means of knowing the capacity, voltage and chemistry, at least two of those factors are printed on the cells themselves

[jade scaffold]

But not AA or AAA batteries

[cinder lagoon]

also this.
I think logitech had some battery pack charging station and probably a compatible headset for it

[jade scaffold]

And I think artice nova pro wireless

Audeze will also replace the battery for you well outside if warentees period for 30usd

In their Maxwell and Penrose

Knowing them they will also give you technical specifications of the battery so you could also just go buy your own

[sonic meadow]

most batteries used in electronics like headphones are going to be fairly standard units. on/over ear ones that is, earbuds probably not so much

[jade scaffold]

Nah ear buds are pretty standard too

[sonic meadow]

fair. just wasnt too sure what off the shelf offerings there were for the really tiny lithium-ion batteries

[jade scaffold]

You might not think they are too common but in little embedded systems they can be really common

Look at this lil battery

Used in both the wf1000xm3s from Sony and the galaxy bud lives

[sonic meadow]

tiny adorable coin-cells

[jade scaffold]

Actually it's also used in the xm4s too

[pearl moon]

Currently the best wireless headphone i've seen out there rn is the Audeze Maxwell, and like Trash Bag said they will replace the battery should it become faulty out of warranty for $30 usd.

[amber fable]

My work system updated and hosed my audio setup. Turns out something was wrong with the config files and deleting them got it working again. Ahhh, the fun and weird things that happen when you don't do the sensible thing and just rock the defaults.

[amber fable]

Thankfully, the only config bits I cared about were separated out, and still seem to work.

When linux goes wrong, (at least for me) it always seems to be the stuff I fiddled with. I'm starting to sense a pattern here.

[cinder lagoon]

100% same

"yeah lets remove that old python version off my limited disk space Ubuntu and replace it with an up-to-date one... hey, who turned the screen off! What's this weird message on boot?? Why can't I boot into recovery mode!?"

[sacred seal]

I could never daily drive a linux machine. The number of just weird issues I have had with them. Windows, for all its foibles, just works. It has its own set of quirks, but its really difficult to break

Also doesn't help that I somehow broke the CD command as part of my linux final. Had to restore my entire machine, which meant that all my notes were deleted making answering the rest of the exam rather difficult (Not to mention the time lost to actually doing the restore) Did not do particularly well on that exam

[amber fable]

See, the issue is that when you reach into the guts of the OS and mess with it, stuff can break. Windows makes it extraordinarily hard to touch anything at that level, where linux just doesn't care.

So if you fiddle with things carelessly, they can break.

I prefer to leave my training wheels behind, even if that means that sometimes I eat dirt and have to fix my sound engine.

If you just... Don't touch shit, linux is nice and reliable.

Well, Manjaro is nice and reliable. I can't vouch for other distros.

[cinder lagoon]

probably accidentally set an alias for cd and/or exported it and also added to the user variables

[surreal moss]

Windows is also nice and reliable if you don’t touch anything. They’re also both pretty easy to screw up on accident if you aren’t careful.

Chaos is probably right in that an alias overriding ‘cd’ was probably introduced

[cinder lagoon]

they both have their own version of being easily screwed up:

[surreal moss]

Windows just error handles for everything

So it can look like it’s working when it’s not

Linux will just nope out

[cinder lagoon]

windows gets screwed up by installing programs that somehow need to interact with low-level stuff and just over time, it seems.
Linux gets screwed up by user error because so many things need sudo that you get used to it and just sudo rm -rf /etc/foobar and you misstype and delete your system config

[surreal moss]

I’ve never done that. Had to recover and abandon a system someone else did that to. But never done it myself

*yet

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/QWaUuMVpY6o?si=lSJhg1EUgakDwXqI

[amber fable]

I always shift-delete files in windows...

So I'm very used to the idea that "deleted means gone"

[sacred seal]

I don't think this is right...

[jade scaffold]

Naaaaah it's fiiine

[mossy gull]

I didn't know you had 290GB (V)RAM

[tender plank]

Okay, I'm confused. It sounds like Sabrent pretty much showed up on the scene with the Rocket 4/Rocket 4 Plus. But looking for Sabrent SSDs I'm finding them called just "Sabrent 2TB Rocket". Is that the same product as the Sabrent Rocket 4? Or did they come out with a new product called the Rocket? Google results are unclear at best.

[jade scaffold]

i believe saberent rocket 4s are PCIE Gen 4 drives so im assuming any saberent rockets that are PCIE gen 4s could be considered a Sabrent rocket 4

[sacred seal]

Sabrient rocket is 3.0, the rocket 4 is 4.0 I believe. The rocket q is qlc

But then there is things like the q4 and the 4 plus G and I have no clue what those are

[jade scaffold]

I like sabrent rockets

Not only are they fast they have really quite good endurance for consumer drives

Unlike a certain other competitor

[cerulean helm]

Interesting:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Virtuoso-Wired-Gaming-Headset/dp/B0CGXTF225/ref=sr_1_2?crid=2LD2UHFWOAG1L&keywords=VIRTUOSO%2BPRO&qid=1695683888&sprefix=virtuoso%2Bpro%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1

Open back headset from Corsair.

[pearl moon]

Interesting, but i can guarantee you there's no reason to get this over a Sennheiser PC38X

Way cheaper, and i'm sure much higher sound quality

Though if i was in the market for a new headset, i'd get the Audeze Maxwell myself.

[cerulean helm]

By cheaper you mean $20? Thats not much of a difference. Also, mic isn't removable. And if Corsair is using the same mic in the Virtuoso SE that I have, thats by far the best mic in the $200 range headsets.

[pearl moon]

PC38X goes on sale all the time for $130 if not less

PC38X's mic is also fantastic, haven't heard the virtuoso mic

[cerulean helm]

So you are comparing a sale price of an at least 3 year old headset to a new entry into the open back market and already saying its better than the new Corsair headset without even reading any review?

Makes little sense to me but okay. I just thought it was interesting Corsair is jumping into a yet another headset market. They have been dropping quite a few lately.

I own the Virtuoso SE, and its mic is 2nd to none, which is why I bought it. Also being wireless.

[sacred seal]

I have yet to see a headset compete against a dedicated mic and headphones

for the same cost

Other then like some really cheap ones

[pearl moon]

I'm going off what I know, and what I know is gaming peripheral companies have yet to make an audio product that holds a candle to products made by dedicated audio companies. In the Audio space, age itself is a non-factor whatsoever. Look at all the people still running SHP-9500s, or HD600s, or STAXs.

[pearl moon]

Some, like the above mentioned Senn PC38X or Audeze Maxwell are actually ranked fairly high in the audio space, them having dedicated mics is just another good selling point.

Due to my setup of not having a desk, i can't realistically have a desk mic, and i don't have room for a mic to be mounted on an arm, so I use these highly regarded headsets made by highly regarded audio companies.

[sacred seal]

Sen is more of a midground vendor. Great prosumer stuff, but I have never seen any of there hardware in a studio

[pearl moon]

And yes back in the day before i realized what actual audio quality is i used to use corsair and astro (logitech) headsets, and never could get one of those to last more than a year either.

[pearl moon]

Studio cans are also alot different to the consumer market

[sacred seal]

Yes and no. I daily drive studio gear

Its a different sound to be sure

And it takes some getting used to

[pearl moon]

I just mean they're tuned to be a flat, analytical, professional, typically boring to most experience, whereas headphones made for consumers are tuned more for the enjoyment of listening, so they typically follow some kind of curve and are intentionally not flat because most (not all) people find flat studio tuning very boring.

[sacred seal]

Yes, studio headphones are flat, but that means you can tune them yourself with a EQ. They are also a lot more detailed then there counterparts

Enjoyable sound typically just means boosting the heck out of the low ranges

Which can be fun

[pearl moon]

True

[jade scaffold]

Not necessarily true but headphones used for mixing will be "flat"

Even still every headphone has its own lil flavor of sound

Audeze headphones are typically described as warm even their dedicated mixing ones and it's a sound I quite like

Senheiser have some really good headphones for testing your imaging

[jade scaffold]

These look allright though I gotta say a lil overpriced thoes graphene drivers must be driving up the price a bit they get bodied price wise by DT990s + decent dedicated mic

Also I was thinking if selling off a few pairs of headphones I have and nabing audezes new headphone the mm500 because it can lay flat it's a tad more portable than my LCD 2Cs though I think I'll still keep the 2Cs I quite like them

[cerulean helm]

Found a really good review of the headset. Seems that without a custom eq they are alright but not great. So defiantly would need a dac/amp combo which conveniently Corsair recommends their own Elgato xlr wave which is an additional $150. Or any dac/amp would work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW_n41LGp5I

[jade scaffold]

Yea looking at that vid I think they are just outcompeted by other options tbh it's not that their bad just a tad too pricey for what they are if they were like 150 I think they'ed actually be very good and possibly even disruptive

[mossy gull]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nU_s8tySyNg?si=v3XJeW7B0KUTUxhv

[jade scaffold]

Not as bad as MSIs hinges atleast

[mossy gull]

MSI quality is pretty bad, especially if you're used to Dell XPS and Precision and Apple MacBook Pro.

[jade scaffold]

Yea both hp and MSI use a really flimsy hinge design in alot of their laptops

[cinder lagoon]

Speaking about laptopts - this a good steal, right?
https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/hp+envy+x360+15+fh0155ng+805594

[jade scaffold]

From a performance perspective not really though it's rather thin so maybe?

I mean I would still rather go find something that's faster second hand and just as thinn

You know honestly looking around the internet a bit they've killed thin and lights

Where's my OG yoga book thickness modern laptops at

[cinder lagoon]

More concerned about price/performance ratio and its enough for GTA and most other non-AAA games

[cinder lagoon]

LG gram and dell XPS are the most thin and most lights

[cinder lagoon]

Its aimed to be a uni laptop with possibilities™️

Asked for a buddy, just wanted another pair of eyes on the offer

[jade scaffold]

Yea which is sad

Because only the LG grams are all that thin

[cinder lagoon]

Most thin and lights now come in <13'' form factors

[jade scaffold]

Yea the original yoga book was 11 inches

And when closed was thinner than a standard calculator

And because it was so small it could be made totally out of aluminium cheaply

Coste 300 pound which is like what 330 euro

I might see if I can gut it and stuff some kinda embedded system or windows running arm CPU in it

[cerulean helm]

Great, just invested in a Schiit audio stack. The Magni 3+ and Modi. The Modi is defective as only the left audio channel works and the Magni let loose magic smoke (somehow still working...) $250 spent and they are dead.

[pearl moon]

Damn, that's schiit-y

Hope you can atleast get replacements if not a refund

[mossy gull]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/09/28/nvidias-french-offices-raided-over-antitrust-concerns-report-says/

[rugged sail]

So I've set aside 2200 for a computer build. What would be the best build to run star citizen at max settings with good frames

[jade scaffold]

Haha hahahaha

[rugged sail]

Current build that i have in cart : Deepcool cc360 m-atx airflow case
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
GPU: ASUS TUF Gaming 3060 ti 8gb
Ram: 32 gb corsaire vengence
SSD: 10 tb (one 8 tb stick and one 2 tb stick)
PSU : 1000w

[jade scaffold]

Your best bet is 7900xtx for the GPU Ryzen 7 7800x3D

Why the hell do you need 10 tb of SSD storage that's a collosal waste of money and you'd be lucky if that 3060 got decent FPS on low

[rugged sail]

What cpu for a 3060 ti

Tf

What gpu

[jade scaffold]

You in the us?

What kinda mony we dealing with here

[rugged sail]

Yeah

2500 max

[jade scaffold]

Right USD then give me like 10 min

[rugged sail]

Well wait

[jade scaffold]

That ammount of storage is eating the entirety of your budget

[rugged sail]

2200 gotta account for monitor and what not

👀

At this rate imma just buy a prebuilt and hope for the best

[jade scaffold]

Yea don't do that

[rugged sail]

👍🏽

I get the game is super buggy but i wanna give myself best chances

[jade scaffold]

For 2040 USD ignoring monitors mouse and keyboard I got a build literally 2.3x faster

[rugged sail]

DM specs?

[jade scaffold]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HTcbKX

[rugged sail]

That works too

[jade scaffold]

heres the build with links so where to get the parts from

if you already got a pc of any kind you can rob the storeage out of that to increase its storage for free pretty much

[rugged sail]

I dont

[jade scaffold]

you could also for sure knock off maybe like 100-200USD in price if you really go looking arround for stuff

you dont need 10tb

2tb will last you fine if all you wanna play is star citizen

[rugged sail]

Well not just that but its definitely the main attraction

Tbh though

My last pc had 1 tb and i did fine

[jade scaffold]

regardless 10tb is a stupid amount for most people and its really exspensive

[rugged sail]

And how "well" will that build run it

[jade scaffold]

depends on setings and resoluition

in 4k youll get 20fps

though alot more than that indoors

closer to 70 when indores

in 1440p outdoors with clouds at daytime youll get about 40fps at max settings
about 90 when flying arround
and 130 in an indoors space

i dont redcomend running star citizen at max settings you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between max and high setings anyway
and the game it completely and totally not optimised

[rugged sail]

Thanks

[jade scaffold]

the 7900xtx which is the GPU i picked is the 2nd most powerfull Consumer GPU currently arround and the fact that it cannot get <60fps at max settings in 1440p in star citizen is concerning

[rugged sail]

Jesus

[jade scaffold]

yea one of star citizens main issues is its using fucking Cryengine which regardless of the graphical quality of a game basically means it is guarenteeded to just run like shit

though they were meant to update to their own engine at some point

though honestly not sure if they have or if it'll even help

[rugged sail]

Damn

May have adjusted a thing or two on ud list

Shared List https://newegg.io/a3123e56

Roughly the same tho

[jade scaffold]

thats very different

much slower

also dont pay that much for windows

you can get keys for 25 usd

or just like not pay for it

not including the OS thats actually more exspensive than what i sent you and is over 30% slower

[mossy gull]

Cyberpunk's performance on AMD is shite because it's only optimised for NVidia, however in Starfield it's the other way around.

[jade scaffold]

nah that numbers about right

[surreal moss]

The 3060 ti can handle SC quite well even running at 4k with most things set to high. Main problem with the optimization right now is that the game is cpu heavy

[jade scaffold]

yea looking at more benchmarks now the 3060ti does surprisingly well regardless tho if your build costs more than 600 usd it shouldn't have a 60 class card

for a 2000+ usd system id expect to see a 7900xtx or 7900xt and nothing less

alot of issues i see with Star citizen bench marks is the games performance is wildly inconsistent like the most inconsistent ive seen a game ever

some areas youll get in 4k like 15fps and some youll somehow manage 60

[surreal moss]

Yeah, SC is horrible for a benchmark base. Location in game heavily affects performance

[jade scaffold]

on the 7900xtx one area i saw bench marked bearly got 20 and another area got over 130

thats actualoly a pretty common issue in Cry engine games regardless but ive never seen it this bad

[surreal moss]

That said a 3060 ti and a strong CPU with SSD and 32 GB memory can make for a pretty consistent gaming experience in SC and run most things pretty well.

[jade scaffold]

yea its not bad

but if you have a 3060ti in a build of that price you are just burning money for the sake of burning money

star citizen is also one of the only games that benifits significantly from RAM speeds

so DDR5 is a must for it imo

[surreal moss]

Eh, depends on the situation. If it’s plausible to plan on upgrading the gpu down the line then a 3060 ti can let you put more money into the rest of the system

[jade scaffold]

in what situation is it ok to have a 2200 usd budget and get a 3060ti as your gpu for a normal person

[surreal moss]

Three one I just described?

[jade scaffold]

no its not tho

[mossy gull]

2200.- if I had that I would go with the 7900XTX and 7800X3D with 32GB+ RAM and 4TB SSD storage

[jade scaffold]

because you can already get the best gaming CPU and a 7900xtx or if you wanna save some money maybe a 6950xt

[mossy gull]

6950xt is like 40% less than the 7900XTX in my area

[jade scaffold]

at 2200 you are borderline at the no compromises price for $2040 i put a build with a 7900xtx 7800x3D 32gb of DDR5 6000 and a PCIE Gen 4 2TB SSD it doesnt get much better than that

and i could have still cut off like 100 USD if i just went for a worse case and 5600mhz DDR5 and if you wanted knock a bit off for a 850w PSU instead of a 1000W one which would leave the guy with 300 USD for a mouse keyboard and monitor and good looking 60hz minotors these days are cheap as fuck

[rugged sail]

Is that cpu gonna do well then?@jade scaffold @mossy gull @surreal moss

Imma say yes. Its a 12th gen 16 core. I see ppl running it on 6 cores

[jade scaffold]

Cores arent everything

per core the 7800x3D is significantly faster

the 7800x3D from what i can see actually outperforms the 12900k in star citizen

the 12900k is a fine enough CPU for star citazen though i just dont understand why you'd downgrade the performance of the system for the same price

[mossy gull]

Like Default says, cores aren't everything.
The 7800X3D has less cores but in games is much faster and more efficient.
Saving both in cost and energy consumption.
And thanks to its efficiency you can save on cooling because it stays cooler than the 12900K.

[jade scaffold]

and actually with the RAM you decided to go for you would in star citizen specifically get massivly worse performance

[rugged sail]

This is confusing lol but okay i swapped back to the 78003xd

[jade scaffold]

"cores" let multiple tasks be done at the same time, which is great if you can split 1 big task into lots of smaller tasks, But games dont tend to do that very well. so having more than 8 cores can be near enough totally pointless for gaming performance

so to get more gaming performance you want the cores to each be able to do work faster

each core in the 7800X3D is faster than the ones in the 12900k thus making it better at things that cant be split into lots of little parts

[rugged sail]

Ohhhh okay

Okay so last build

[jade scaffold]

also why the 4070ti over the 7900xtx?

[rugged sail]

Case: Thermaltake v250 tempered glass
CPU: 7800 3xc
GPU: 7900xtx
Ram: 32 gb
PSU: 1000w
Cooler: AIO liquid cooler

78003xd*

[jade scaffold]

yea thats fine
make sure you get 6000mhz ram star citizen likes really fast ram for some reason

[rugged sail]

Its ddr5 6000

[jade scaffold]

yea thats great

[rugged sail]

Slightly over budget but fuck it its only ink and paper

[jade scaffold]

you could skim a bit off by getting a cheaper case or a 850w PSU

[rugged sail]

Nah

Im coolin

[surreal moss]

Are you planning on just gaming? No recording or anything else going on at the same time?

[rugged sail]

Most likely yeah

Maybe some recording here and there

[rugged sail]

@surreal moss why

[surreal moss]

Just figured I’d check. You should be fine

[frozen igloo]

A friend of mine is having issues with this question and I'm unsure how to help them as I don't have this class could anyone help?

[surreal moss]

My first thought was “pipe it to a rev”

[sonic meadow]

It looks like a programming assignment, so that's not quite the tack they are looking for

Assuming I understand how xxd works...
You bitwise mask the input (&) and then bit shift to move it to the right place. Add to the output, again via bitwise masking. Repeat for all 8 bits.
You can do it unrolled (basically exactly what I said above), or do it in a single loop (how is left as an exercise for the reader, it is an assignment after all)

[sacred seal]

What is with schools and giving assignments that are really not suited for the language at hand

How often are you trying to do bitwise operations with the linux terminal?

If you are going to teach bitwise operations, do it with a language that you might actually use to do bitwise editing

[sonic meadow]

Like... C? Which is what it was using

[sacred seal]

Doi, yea that would make sense, missed the .c at the begining of the instructions... NVM

I thought they were trying to do it with a macro

Or whatever they are called in linux

[sonic meadow]

The terminal just looks to be a way of getting data in, and making it an "actual" program

It also looks like the kind of assignment you would get about half way through a first year/semester course. Depending on exactly how the curriculum goes obviously

Teaching language features, etc

[sacred seal]

Very linux heavy. Generally don't want to have to use pipes to make your program functional

[sonic meadow]

It's just stdin/stdout, means you can run it standalone and type your input in

[sacred seal]

The program just does 00001111->11110000, all that extra commands are bolted as far as my limited linux knowedge goes

Had to use linux for uni, never really got used to it

[sonic meadow]

We didn't need to, except to verify our programs/code ran on the uni machines. Which for compsci were all linux

[sacred seal]

Much the same. Right pain when you have to get your distros and libraries matching. Far easier to do that with windows

Download ide, use default settings, done

[sonic meadow]

And completely separated from the general uni machines. Including on their own network managed internally by the engineering and computer science faculty instead of the unis IT department

[sonic meadow]

Our first years stuff was all Java, which was fine as far as that went. I think strictly we could use whatever we wanted, but eh.
It wasn't until third year that classes started using different things (c/c++ for graphics, all kinds of junk for the programming languages course, some kind of assembly for computer organisation, you get the idea).

I think one of the second year classes might have used something for formal validation, but it's honestly been quite some time for me

[sacred seal]

I started with IT, first semester was C++, 2nd was Java and C#. Third was PHP and JS, so a good mix of practical languages.

At Uni everything was C++, and half the students couldent program there way out of a wet paper bag

Took a fourth year course where my group assignment partner tanked our project because apparently he could not figure out how to implement an insertion sort

[sonic meadow]

My general opinion is that it doesn't really matter what language you learnt, it's more about learning the skills of programming and how to learn the languages.

Picking up new languages is easy once you already know one

[sonic meadow]

Std::sort(), ez :p

[sacred seal]

Fairly easy at least

Functional vs object orentated throws you for a loop

But yea, for the most part I would agree

[sonic meadow]

Yeah, and then there is logic languages. Never got my head around that

Most commonly used "functional" languages these days are more imperative with functional elements

[sacred seal]

Fortunately never had to do that. Just two assignemnts in dr racket

[sonic meadow]

Rather than functional with the needed bit to do actual programs

Since pure functional isn't especially useful to build things with

[sacred seal]

Which were actually pretty fun, other then the fact that I ended up with a bug in my code where it just randomly decided to skip calling a function. Marker had no idea what the problem was ither

Yea, most of them are toy languages

If you only support command line, odds are you cant do anything particularly useful

[sonic meadow]

Nah, not toy languages. (That would be things like brainfuck or the golfing languages).
Pure functional is basically just maths, but you need non-functional elements to do things like get user input, or do output. So they all have it

[sacred seal]

Sorry, yes, there are functional laungages that are not toy langauges, but the majority of the ones I have encountered are

Schools really should start teaching UE. Not because its a game engine, but because its so visual. Its a lot easier to understand a lot of these concepts when you can physically see what they are doing

[sonic meadow]

some places teach scratch, for a similar kind of reason

[sacred seal]

Scratch is a bit to basic IMO. You miss out on a lot of the deeper concepts

Parent child relationships, type casting, ect

Its amazing what you can do with UE blueprints. Like for my work that is basically all we use

And what we are building is basically a AI powered chatbot, so lots of streaming involved

[surreal moss]

I know. Looks to me like it’s a first year assignment to teach some algorithm logic in C. Which is why I didn’t get too into it

[frozen igloo]

Its a 200 level programming class

[cinder lagoon]

This seems fairly easy but the language is relevant... looks like it's plain c?

[frozen igloo]

This is all the addional context that I was given anyone here in CS252 with "Instuctor" this semester? I am 90% certain the current homework assignment has an impossible problem
I can't email this guy at 8PM on a sunday but he doesn't know xxd outputs ascii values and not numerical values so unless someone else has a solution I'm just taking the L on this assignment

[sacred seal]

You should be able to cast between ascii and numeric. Its actually probably easier with Ascii

Just need to reverse the array

[surreal moss]

Definitely not impossible. There are already tools that do this. Just need to approach it as a puzzle

[frozen igloo]

I think they had to submit the assignment already, I can ask them about it. I'm not in that class so I have no idea what the instructor is particularly looking for

[cerulean helm]

Okay, was not expecting to see EK make a open loop water cooling setup for a console.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/joao-silva/ek-launches-launches-full-cover-liquid-cooling-block-for-ps5-consoles/

[barren juniper]

thats literally the same computer that i got for free because it had a dead hard drive which i now use as a "storage server"

[barren juniper]

well apparently its "national 'techies' day"

[jade scaffold]

That's pretty cool actually

[balmy flicker]

given the issue that the PS5 has there is a chance that this might be used/sold as a fix with upgrade

[cinder lagoon]

The Input and output is in hex.
Since you know the length, you can just use loops. The problem is absolutely doable

[cinder lagoon]

Looks rad

[jade scaffold]

My friend has spilt something in his laptop

and so its dead

and im making him a new PC in the Fractal Ridge case

[cinder lagoon]

upgrades people, upgrades

[jade scaffold]

mans going from a Laptop 1660ti i think to a 3070

and before equinox comments i know the 6700xt is better value but i got the 3070 for a bit less than i could get a 6700xt

[iron rock]

I need a cheap laptop or similar power brick, 24v and min 5A but 8A would be ideal. how do I find one that isnt crap but also isnt overpriced? I was recommended a Mean Well but 50-70 bucks just seems insane for a simple power adapter.

its not actually for a laptop that is just the style of PSU I need. needs to be shielded basically

[sonic meadow]

Well switch mode PSUs aren't really "simple". Meanwell does good stuff, but costs a bit more than cheaper offerings .
What you probably want to look for if you want 24v is led power supplies

[jade scaffold]

Depends how big you want it to be too

[iron rock]

I dont care how big it is

[sonic meadow]

Or find a "dead" 3d printer and scavenge one out of there (just be aware that some are 12v not 24v)

[iron rock]

its for a robotics project, servos and an ESP32, that kind of shit.

[jade scaffold]

I can find some unshielded meanwell 8.8amp 24v ones you could just like print them a casing so no dumbass can poke the internals with a screwdriver

Found this not a laptop style one

[iron rock]

I have been told that what I am doing I will need to worry about cross talk and electromagnetic interference and because of that I need one that is shielded... I am also new to this stuff so would rather not play with an open PSU I have to wire up my self and might kill me

[jade scaffold]

It isn't open per say

But it's enclosure is just a cage

[iron rock]

yeah, dont think the chassis mount ones would be a good idea for what I am planning. think a brick would be safest.I dont trust my self with one of those

[jade scaffold]

Yea I can understand that

Just bricks are turbo expensive comparatively

[iron rock]

if you had ever seen my work bench you would know why

[jade scaffold]

Like that one is £28

I'll try find a decent brick for you

[iron rock]

why dosnt the work bench stay clean? its weird. its like the tools migrate

ugg... digikey is down

like I could get something like this but how far can I trust it not to fry my board or just crap out on me after a day? https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-100-240V-Converter-Voltage-Transformer/dp/B0C9LZ26LK/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=fvtPf&content-id=amzn1.sym.5f7e0a27-49c0-47d3-80b2-fd9271d863ca%3Aamzn1.symc.e5c80209-769f-4ade-a325-2eaec14b8e0e&pf_rd_p=5f7e0a27-49c0-47d3-80b2-fd9271d863ca&pf_rd_r=Y2WA70BJAH5SH7Y5B0G0&pd_rd_wg=gslM3&pd_rd_r=b7a3152f-7943-472f-b2ac-7d93aee869d4&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_atf_m&th=1

[jade scaffold]

Just looked to see how expensive gallium nitride power supplys are and nope not looking at those anymore

It's low power so hopefully that should be fine

[iron rock]

not sure I would consider 200w low power

guess compared to a pc

[jade scaffold]

Yea if it goes up it's not likely to blow an inch wide hole in itself

My only issue is I can't find any info on the brands reputability with power supplys but it's well rated so I'm sure it'll be fine

[iron rock]

that is the problem I am having. cant find anything about brands, who to go with who to avoid

[jade scaffold]

Yea there's not much out there as far as laptop type psus go

That one you picked out will likely be fine it'll atleast last long enough to live through your project I think

[iron rock]

not a short term thing

[jade scaffold]

Just build a bit of surge protection if the PSU eats shit that way your robot thingy will live and you'll just need to grab a new PSU

[jade scaffold]

How would the ELG-240-S from mean well serve it is a bit pricy but it's about as reliable as psus get has full technical documentation with certifications and everything.

I can get one for £50 not sure how that will translate into wherever you're from

Kinda meant for driving LEDs but ehhh

[iron rock]

its $70 here in the US, its what I was first looking at and why I wanted to find a cheaper option.

[sonic meadow]

I mean, that's most of the 12/24v PSUs out there tbh

[jade scaffold]

Ah damn it looked turbo reliable was all

[iron rock]

yep, probably is, basically what I was recommended. well the one I was recommended is a little smaller, a 140w unit and its like 40 bucks. but a 140w PSU dosnt seem a good match for a 180w servo

[jade scaffold]

Yea probably not

[wary frigate]

Nylon is what’s on fire btw

[amber fable]

Sounds fun

[inland dove]

That can't be good to breathe.

[jade scaffold]

Got the ram in

[pearl moon]

boggles my mind that the 1600 was released in 2017. Crazy how fast technology improves.

still great for a cheap mini-itx build

[jade scaffold]

yee

its actually a 1600AF

so a 2600 tm

[ionic tusk]

I wonder does everyone here like me hate SAP it’s not very intuitive

[jade scaffold]

Yes

Sap is shit

It's also a hilariously vulnerable system security wise

[ionic tusk]

I hate having to use it

[mossy gull]

What's SAP

[jade scaffold]

It's a data base type

Very very old

Very commonly used

Don't get me wrong it works

But it is not trying to be user friendly atall it'd almost rather navigate the direct output than sap

Our sap is getting a big update soonish

[cinder lagoon]

As an associate with insider knowledge of both, BASF and SAP I can tell you it's more of a soon ™️

They work in close collaboration with eachother because BASF heavily relies on the SAP systems and BASFs internal "QZ system" has been phased out over the last 20 years or so, being replaced by SAPs db. It's more or less tailored to eachother but the BASF side is not done at all so it's gonna be a while

[jade scaffold]

the update we are getting is in december

alsooo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997890146567471166/1159484036910170132/IMG_20231005_143450073.jpg?ex=653130a8&is=651ebba8&hm=a4ade7ef0453354d872a655d3426a251ceb13b70196f3b57c87a0c5ea277afa4&
Compooter
Specs are as follows
CPU: Ryzen 5 1600AF 12nm 6 Cores 12 Threads
Cooler: Wraith Stealth
RAM: 32GB 2x16 3200MHZ Vengence DDR4
GPU: RTX 3070 Founders edition(It was cheap because the coolers all scratched up)
PSU: BeQuiet SFX-L Power 600W Fully modular
SSD: Crucial P3 1TB
Case: (Soon™️) Fractal Ridge

[cinder lagoon]

Ooooo letsgoooo

[jade scaffold]

overall cost less than £600

Fastest i think ive ever gone from no computer to whole ass computer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043915566580256778/1159488589848137748/IMG_20231005_145214583.jpg?ex=653134e6&is=651ebfe6&hm=6909e209066625a8d0a87d53f3d371073f61c9abb13d203ef4cb66709e41d515&

on another note
BeQuiet what the fuck is this Pinout

its so unusuall

the CPU 4+4 On the PSU End is a 10 pin

the PCIE on the PSU end is a 12 Pin

and no not the 12 pin HPWR

and the mobo 24 pin ends at the PSU with 28 pins

[ember inlet]

Ok, so my Bios died on my old computer, that was using DDR3 ram, so I am replacing it

These are the parts I’m replacing it with

ASUS TUF B450 plus 2 motherboard with a AMD Ryzen 5 5600G APU with 32 GB of DDR4 Ram

Salvaging my old rig for parts, I am reusing the GTX 970, 750 Watt PSU and all the fans

This should be good to go if I buy the new parts, right?

[jade scaffold]

Okay so it display n shit

However any idea why it might get stuck on that screen?

No loading symbol or nothin

No turning on and off or anythin either

[mossy gull]

I love glossy displays

[jade scaffold]

It is overly shiny

[mossy gull]

I prefer it over matt displays though, on those the colours just look washed out

[jade scaffold]

Also pressing buttons does nothing

It's like just stuck in that screen

[mossy gull]

Have you checked if the storage device is still fine?

[jade scaffold]

Taken out drive is working

Betting it's because this drive was formatted for Linux

Other that or because the lil Jetson pc lit on fire and this drive is now the big dead

[mossy gull]

Last time I had that exact same issue it was because the drive still could be registered by the BIOS but it still was in non working order to boot from, aka a dead drive

[jade scaffold]

Yea this drive might be dead

It also might be formatted for Linux

Notice anything wrong with this drive

[mossy gull]

Nah, it's just having wet dreams

[jade scaffold]

the layers seperated

which aint good

safe to say that drive is deded

[amber fable]

Cooked itself?

[jade scaffold]

I think it died in the Unfortunate accident with the NVidia Jetson where one of the Mainboard Capacitors tried to set itself on fire and the Power layer got exceedingly hot

i did at the time speculate the drive might have been dead

because said capacitor was right above the M.2 Slot

[cinder lagoon]

Do you have links?
I do not see why you would want a 5600G. Also what speed is the RAM? Anything below 3200 MHz kinda sucks on Ryzen.
Otherwise sounds good. Also: The chance that "the BIOS died" is extremely slim. Who made that diagnosis?

[ember inlet]

I am upgrading from a AMD FX 6350, and I know for a fact it’s the bios, as after removing a part that would cause the bios to panic and start beeping like all hell, all I was greated with was silence

And the 5600g has integrated Graphics that I can use with my new board should my GPU give up

And yes, I’m getting the right ram

[mossy gull]

I don't know your budget, but all Ryzen 7xxxx have an iGPU which is stronger than the 1 from the 5600G

[cinder lagoon]

That sounds absolutely vague as hell but I'll say "broken motherboard" in return and label it as an absolutely valid reason :P

[jade scaffold]

That's not true

The I GPU in 7000 is garbage

It's made for web browsing and nothing else acts more like Intel's intergreated graphics does

[sonic meadow]

pretty sure intels integrated graphics is better in the current gens

a pity they dont do an APU, they good do something interesting/good there

[jade scaffold]

The 5600gs GPU is pretty fast

It's 2x faster than the 7600xs which can be the difference between playable and unplayable

[sonic meadow]

I think I have heard the terms "display adaptor" and "diagnostic output" before. aka it saves you plugging in a random gt710 or 8400gs you have lying around when you need to test or setup. plus its still functional for non-gaming tasks just fine

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's pretty much the entire point of 7000s intergreated graphics

[sonic meadow]

was one of the big annoyances of the am4 chips, especially when intel was doing the opposite and had an igpu on everything but select chips

[jade scaffold]

Yea I agree having intergreated graphics nomatter how shitty is always good for that reason alone

[jade scaffold]

Got round to testing my friends new pc and I present to you wh40k darktide running at max settings raytracing on at 4k 60fps

This is the hub world though from.previous experience the actual maps don't run all too much worse

[pearl moon]

On a 3070? How much upscaling are you doing?

[jade scaffold]

none

upscaling turned off

[pearl moon]

Wtf

I know the game has come a long way since the beta, but in the beta i was barely getting 60fps 1440p with hella upscaling and shitty settings on a 2070 super lmao.

[mossy gull]

Now bring it to its knees with Cyberpunk 2077

[cinder lagoon]

Guys this is great
Deal of the day for Prime Members: Sennheiser Momentum 4 Wireless Special Edition Headphones with Bluetooth - with Adaptive Noise Cancelling for Crystal Clear Calls - 60 Hours Battery Life - Customisable Sound, Black/Copper https://amzn.eu/d/5PpTZWi
270€ for this gem

[manic vale]

Hello there. I have a question about photography. Is it possible to chancel a sepia filter back to the normal colors? (We have some sad issues with our wedding photographer, so I asking if there are things a novice can do <-< )

[amber fable]

If the images are in JPEG format, the answer is no. Other formats the answer is also probably no.

[cinder lagoon]

If the wedding photographer took those images with the a digital filter find a way to ruin their career.
This is like committing a felony in the photography field, especially the professional one

First ask them for raw files tho

[manic vale]

Will try to get the raws. Thanks. (as far I knew, pics where edited later)

[sacred seal]

There are AI used to colorize black and white images, but its not going to be great quality

Something like this https://palette.fm/

[spiral hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/394043231157092379/1161431893380702238/image.png?ex=653846bd&is=6525d1bd&hm=9877154014399126c35e0b808cf4244f272c838c37dd9ac49cc4094d9ba97ebf& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/394043231157092379/1161392991827673098/image.png?ex=65382282&is=6525ad82&hm=c794e16d9391d415f4232af48deac37b0e841ea5bc55518f324a3c805b974a9e&

Any ideas gents and madams

nothing has changed on this laptop at all nothing new has happended or anything ts just randomly starting giving thsi erro adn now no matter what mouse is plugged in it doesnt work

I have lost any ideas that coem t omind

[mossy gull]

Unplug each divice and give the system time to respond

[cinder lagoon]

Did you spill anything on the laptop?

It sounds like a short circuit

[spiral hedge]

nope

[spiral hedge]

tried that

[mossy gull]

Do you have a wired mouse?

[spiral hedge]

it is a wired mouse that is being used yes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1066781505134796800.gif?size=48&name=NODDERS&quality=lossless

[mossy gull]

Check if the mouse behaves the same on another system

[spiral hedge]

it doesnt yesterday but i will double check

[cinder lagoon]

the chances are very good that there is a short circuit happening on the laptop, possibly only when plugging in a device

[mossy gull]

I know this can happen with metal laptops as they can use the case as ground

[spiral hedge]

so i double checked an the mouse is still dead

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1018658437741162506.gif?size=48&name=DekuSparkle&quality=lossless

it worked yesterday on the other device

[mossy gull]

If the mouse is dead, there might be a broken wire, which can cause a short.

[pearl moon]

So weird thing i noticed a little while back. I was looking at EVGA's new ATX 3.0 power supplies, and they only have 3 yr warranties, despite being replacement products to existing PSUs with 10 yr warranties, and as far as i can tell, the only difference in the products is the ATX 3.0 native capability.

[jade scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP_8TzDGGVU

I want one

[surreal moss]

Ohh

I winder if I can get one of those for work 🤔

[jade scaffold]

It's a little plug in GPU probably very overclockable too if you give it some better cooling

[sacred seal]

With only 4gb of vram I am not sure what the point is. Not familiar with anything deep learning adjacent that will fit in that

[jade scaffold]

for running premade models pretty much

so like CCTV Car tracking stuff

the Jetson is much weaker AI wise than even that is and that can do like 12 30fps streams using ai to recognise cars and note licese plates and that thing doesnt even have VRAM it just shares LP DDR5

it would be able to run things like DLSS too

[sacred seal]

Ok, so like superlight stuff. Not sure why you would be wanting to run that on the go?

[jade scaffold]

for testing stuff

if your job revolvs arround alot of these AI aplications it could be usefull

Not all AI stuff even really important AI stuff is even slightly VRAM Intensive

[mossy gull]

[jade scaffold]

in adition to that in terms of raw performance this thing probably trounces any consumer type GPU

because it wont have to brute force FP 16 and FP8

and again it also lets your run already trained things that still need AI performance

[sacred seal]

It's the on the go bit that gets me. Its priced at like a 4070, it seems wierd that you have a niech role (like you aint running even a small language model or image generator on it) and you also need to be mobile without a more beefy laptop

If it had 8GBs of vram it would be infinitely more useful

[jade scaffold]

the point isnt to train models on it

do you know how silly easy it is to run pretrained models for Language and Images

[sacred seal]

Not to train, to run. A Llama based model starts at 6gbs, and that is quantized 7b version

For 512x512 only the most tiny SD models can run

And that is with xformers

Yes there are smaller models, but with the quality they offer, what's the point

[jade scaffold]

yea but whats the use case of thoes models
this little thing isnt meant for running thoes kinda models

AI in industry has to be extremely low power
i mean look at the jetsons the entire package bearly pulls 25W at max

[sacred seal]

If you want to run AI, and its on the go, its most likely for productivity.

Else you are running it in the cloud or on some beastly server

[jade scaffold]

if you want AI built into an embeded system its not gonna have a huge ammount of power or RAM to deal with it

a small GPU like that alows you to test for that use case

[sacred seal]

Or you just vram limit your card?

[jade scaffold]

then your AI performance isnt then similar to the actual use case you have

[sacred seal]

Or better, test it on the actual deployed hardware

Its not like these things have ROM

[jade scaffold]

not the most fun thing to do with the jetsons

not atall

and would then require you transfering data from your laptop to another little computer that then has to have its own screen

[sacred seal]

If you want to test vram, this is not a great comparison with the jetson. Both have 4GBs, but DDR4 vs GDDR6 is not a ideal point

[jade scaffold]

thats wrong

the Orins have LPDDR5

[mossy gull]

[sacred seal]

Ok, better, that's still not great

[jade scaffold]

and yet they are the industry standard for AI in embeded systems

so they must be doing somthing right

not everything is oh large language model this and Image generator that
in the scheme of things thoes 2 aplications are just the show off shit for showing the public how cool AI is

[sacred seal]

What I mean is if your puropose is to test the performance, you want something similar in performance. The mini has 112GB/s vs LPDDR5 6400MB/s

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By being so far the only ones

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also not true

lots of ARM Processors that have AI Accelerators

Google make some pretty nifty AI Accelerators

Qualcom too

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wasnt refering to you there

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Ah, my bad

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was refering to what Equinox said