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[mossy gull]

I still remember 99wh laptop batteries that made your laptop look pregnant
Now they fit in a laptop the size of a MacBook

[sacred seal]

I think your basic digital watch would be a sensable analog to base the law around. I see no reason why phone batteries should be more difficult to repair then there watch counterparts

Or any reason why they should be easier

[jade scaffold]

the issue is we cant make batteries more dense now either

[mossy gull]

EU wants it for all mobile electronics, which also means tablets and laptops😃
I can't wait to carry more than 1 laptop battery.

[jade scaffold]

while its physically possible for us to make vastly higher capacity batteries and it has been for a long time

they are far far too dangerous

[mossy gull]

The better chemistry actually makes them carry more energy.

[mossy gull]

And still safer than combustion engines 🙃

[sacred seal]

Uhh, no?

[jade scaffold]

a combustion engine thats on fire can be put out

a tesla catches fire and you have to let it burn because lithium will react with what ever the fuck it wants

[surreal moss]

It’s not all it’s cracked up to be

[mossy gull]

A combustion engine basically explodes constantly when turned on🙃

[sacred seal]

Well its not the engine that's on fire, its the fuel tank

[jade scaffold]

so do you

you are powered by combustion Technically

[mossy gull]

I mean we have H2O2 in our blood, which is highly flammable 😃

[sacred seal]

I don't think its combustion technically, but its a pretty close analog

[jade scaffold]

no it is by deffinition

[sacred seal]

Doesn't combustion require bonding with oxygen?

[jade scaffold]

yep which is what happens

[mossy gull]

I kinda miss replacing the laptop battery, instead I have to find a wall outlet or carry a humongous batter bank which still is weaker than the laptop battery yet weights as much as 2 laptops

[surreal moss]

A wall outlet isn’t that difficult to find

Unless you’re in the Bob

[sacred seal]

I will take your word for it, biology is not my strong suite

[surreal moss]

But then, why have a laptop there

[jade scaffold]

C6H12O6 + 6O2 ==> 6CO2 + 6H20

its technically a complete combustion

[mossy gull]

I mean, when travelling by train the only wall outlets are at train stations, which is sometimes like 2.5 hours away for me

[surreal moss]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculating-formulas-confused-little-girl-gif-19737617

[jade scaffold]

Shugger + Oxygen ==> Carbon dioxide + Steam

[sacred seal]

Depends where you are, my uni had fairly limited outlets, but by and large you don't get much better battery life out of a removable battery then a battery bank

[jade scaffold]

complete combustion human eddition

[surreal moss]

I saw charging stations on the ICE

[sacred seal]

They are both lithum cells

[mossy gull]

My phone and tablet are too week for what I want to do.
You see Maya3D isn't for weak devices sadly enough

[surreal moss]

That was a joke

[mossy gull]

Which only drives between Utrecht and Amsterdam, sadly I have to go to the south.

[mossy gull]

Oh🥲

[jade scaffold]

still searching for a good screen
i hate the lack of just buyable screens arround

[surreal moss]

The Bob Marshall is one of the larger untouched stretches of wilderness in the US

[mossy gull]

My Ubiquiti U6-LR is blinking white 😃

[sacred seal]

Well there are not a lot of devices featuring oled screens of that size

[jade scaffold]

theres actually alot

the issue is

they all got CHINS

[sacred seal]

Only a handful of laptops would have screens that big

[jade scaffold]

i found one thats perfect

[sacred seal]

I'm talking relitively

[jade scaffold]

but the screen is like £300

which is too much

[mossy gull]

Look for Galaxy Book3 displays, they're AMOLED

[jade scaffold]

also really expensive

[mossy gull]

I don't understand Gibrish

[jade scaffold]

sorry had a minor stroke there

[mossy gull]

I saw

[mossy gull]

Let me guess, 450.-

[jade scaffold]

yea they seem to go for £300 too :(

[mossy gull]

OLED screens be expensive

[jade scaffold]

some of them arent

but the ones that arent have the chin

[sacred seal]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005417729969.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.3.41087c09Dx2iJC&algo_pvid=e4b5b433-ac66-4b66-9909-fbdb1913c8b3&algo_exp_id=e4b5b433-ac66-4b66-9909-fbdb1913c8b3-1&pdp_npi=4%40dis!CAD!313.21!200.45!!!226.16!!%402101f49d16923261990363331ee197!12000034035596949!sea!CA!3134655065!&curPageLogUid=m3fAzdlbrg7P

I presume that is what you mean by chin?

[jade scaffold]

the lil part at the bottom

im like 90% sure its not flexible

if im wrong that'd be good

[mossy gull]

I don't see the problem with bezels, at least they give you something to grip onto

[jade scaffold]

i want symmetrical bezels though

i dont want to have overly thicc bezzels and i dont want lobsided bezels

[mossy gull]

iPad, Surface, Galaxy Tab😃

[sacred seal]

Lobsided as in top bottom or left right?

[mossy gull]

Sony Xperia 🙃

[jade scaffold]

i did see if i could get a galaxy tab ultra screen but thoes like dont exsist

the singlular one i found was like £800 for just the screen and at that point i could just get the actual galaxy tab ultra

[mossy gull]

Order them from Samsung Display 😃

[jade scaffold]

im not sure if they'll let me do that ya know

[mossy gull]

If you want to pay why not?

[jade scaffold]

because they'll probs charge me a fortune because im not bulk buying

[sacred seal]

Yea, the cloest thing I am seeing to what you want are the zenbook pro screens

[jade scaffold]

yea

thoes are the ones im seeing

[mossy gull]

What about the ZenScreen OLED displays?

Entire displays are like around 450.-, so I assume they're cheaper when sold in parts

[jade scaffold]

has the weird chin again

they kinda look like you could bend them

but at the same time

they kinda dont

alo that ones only £40 which aint bad

[mossy gull]

For the ZenScreen OLED?

[jade scaffold]

yea

some of these OLED ones cost nothing

[mossy gull]

Damn, how's it so cheap

[jade scaffold]

and some cost an arm and a leg

its weird

what about the Vivobook S?

thats a 15" Oled maybe thats got a screen that'll work

[mossy gull]

Actually arms and legs don't cost that much, your skin however can make you at least 1 mil to my understanding

[jade scaffold]

DAM IT
its got the CHIN OF DOOOM

[mossy gull]

They have to place their logo somewhere 😃

I usually put stickers on the chin of a display, like I have an Intel i9 and NVidia sticker on the chin of my Asus ROG STRIX G15 Advantage Edition 😃

I have Asus stickers on my Surface Book 2 15 inch

I have an Apple sticker on my Motorola and Poco F3😃

[jade scaffold]

if i can find an AMOLED screen i can do the funny thing where you just bend the chin

its literally the only reason the Nothing Phones Screen is AMOLED so they could bend the chin away

[mossy gull]

Or or or like Lenovo, front facing speakers

[jade scaffold]

or if you're dell the camera that looks up your nose

[mossy gull]

At least it ain't Apple's side-cam on the iPad Pro that makes it look like you ain't interested

You know what's funny about the Apple iPad, Lightning mounted pen😃

For a company, so rich.
They made a pen, with the charger on the back of the pen, which you plug into the lightning port

[jade scaffold]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304887955601?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338364433&toolid=11000&_ul=UK&customid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN5x0YDgkg00_uprR_862MAVdra0ZfMObzAo4JQ1_fYROmYTwMO9qwRoCaiUQAvD_BwE&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWN5x0YDgkg00_uprR_862MAVdra0ZfMObzAo4JQ1_fYROmYTwMO9qwRoCaiUQAvD_BwE

this is like the best i can find

and its not even got touch

there is a chance Dell has just saved me

https://www.accupart.co.uk/products/dell-xps-15-9500-1200-x-1200-15-6-laptop-screen?variant=43916808781998&currency=GBP&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google+shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwivemBhBhEiwAJxNWNwRJwaX6W0m6u7hM3I2MY9vW5MZ3csFt7X56LkrfIqJyVPyyPTaJIhoCkXUQAvD_BwE

which is from this gorgeous thing

[sacred seal]

Tha'ts not oled though?

At least on the part list its labled as led

[jade scaffold]

everything seems to label everything as led

its weird

these part sites are confusing af

yea and the 9500 isnt OLED just checked

its IPS

aparently very bright

strangely enough the 9500 doesnt have a glossy finish to it

[jade scaffold]

there is actually a OLED touch screen version of the XPS pannel

but its real expensive

cheaper than some of the other options but still real expensive

[rotund siren]

Y'know, I'm no expert.... But I don't think this is right.

[sacred seal]

Ehh, could be. Check that you are not downloading something in the background

[rotund siren]

Oh I know it's not that, it's been a problem the last few days

[sacred seal]

Ah, if its persistant then yea, something is probably messed up

Ethernet or wifi?

[rotund siren]

Both.

[sacred seal]

Happens on both, or using both at the same time?

[rotund siren]

Obv. the upload is much slower on wifi, but yes it happens on both.

Gonna try restarting thr router and seeing if that does anything

[sacred seal]

That's never a bad idea

[rotund siren]

Otherwise it's probably the PC. Which is no bueno.

[sacred seal]

Does it affect other devices? (Phone?)

[rotund siren]

Haven't noticed an issue on any other devices. But router restart hasn't changed anything, so I presume it's on the provider's end.

Scratch that, family has confirmed it's not just me or my PC. So definitely a provider issue.

[pearl moon]

So a friend has offered to sell me a used Kraken z73 for $150 shipped, but they just released a new version (confusingly just called the Kraken) which I could get new for $180 with that 6 year warranty, but I don't know what is better in the long run.

The Z73 has a bigger display on the pump with a higher resolution and much brighter

I'll discuss it with him ofc, but wonder what you all have to say about it

[mossy gull]

150 for a used pair of headphones.
Sounds a bit too much, I wouldn't give more than 75 for it unless it's some wacky special edition variant.

[pearl moon]

Not headphones, aio water cooler

[mossy gull]

Razer, NZXT, please change your names, this is very confusing.

Still, 150.- is too much, who knows how much life it has left, especially if you can get a new 1 for 180.-
I'd give tops 100.- for it unless it's some wacky special edition.

Going off of the new 1, which costs 300.-
It loses its value by 50% as soon you use it with losing 1% with each month's passing.
Yeah, not worth more than a 100.-

[pearl moon]

Considering this is (albeit short term) future proofing for the 5800x3d i plan on getting eventually, cause it's certainly not needed for a 5600x. My current air cooler keeps it below 77c and that's at PBO which is a much higher wattage.

[pearl moon]

Ain't no way i'd be caught dead spending any money on headphones from a keyboard company. Not when i have Sennheisers.

[cinder lagoon]

I would certainly not call an AiO "future proofing" - in the future you are talking about, this thing is gunked up and has a broken pump because they keep using copper with aluminum.

IF you really want an AiO - wait for reviews and long-term-usage reports.

[pearl moon]

I just meant in terms of my next cpu upgrade

[pearl moon]

Those already exist, it is a pretty old product at this point.

[cinder lagoon]

77c on a 5600x also sounds very reasonable - I have a 5800X3D and the AMD wraith prism cooler which really isn't great but it keeps the CPU somewhere in the 90s

[cinder lagoon]

they just released a new version called the Kraken
thought you meant this one..
DONT BUY USED AiOs - highly recommended against.

[jade scaffold]

I got my 5800x at around 70C on my old ass pump

[mossy gull]

I once got offered 200.- for 2nd hand Airport Max from someone who claims it's better than my Sundara

[pearl moon]

Lmao

[mossy gull]

They're a massive Apple fan and claims Apple is the best with everything.
They even claimed the Airpods Pro are better than my Salnotes Dioko.

[jade scaffold]

Tbf the airpod Max's probs wouldn't be too far off the Sundaras in terms of sound quality wouldn't be as wide but they would have better bass by default

The sundaras are far more reasonably priced however not got that apple tax

[mossy gull]

I miss the uncompressed/lossless audio of the Sundaras, I listen a lot of WAVs and FLACs

[jade scaffold]

I stream alot of audio still even with my LCD 2s

And honestly on streaming services that allow it streaming full quality isn't much of a burden on bandwidth

[pearl moon]

Assuming you can actually get 320mbps from Spotify, Youtube won't even give you that

[mossy gull]

With Apple music you can drain 10GB in less than 2 hours with lossless and uncompressed audio 😃

[jade scaffold]

Tru tru

Tidal is good

Though the music selection is alot smaller than spotifys

[pearl moon]

And $20/mo for full quality is not cheap

[jade scaffold]

Also that

But also if you are running headphones where full quality actually makes a big difference

Chances are 20 a month isn't too bad

[pearl moon]

True

I personally prefer downloading my music regardless. Mobile data is way too spotty to rely on.

[jade scaffold]

True

Is spotifys downloaded stuff full quality?

Never actually checked tbh

[pearl moon]

Looks like you can set it to be 320kbps

Still mp3 compression regardless, even if pretty good

I've found 256kbps opus to be my sweet spot

192kbps opus is equal to 320kbps mp3

While still being the same if not less storage space used up

Which is important, as i don't have enough storage on my phone for everything to be in flac

[mossy gull]

That's why I got a Poco F3 for my music

It comes with 256GB storage

[pearl moon]

I had a 256gb micro sd card, but it died in a few months. Or atleast the phone wouldn't recognize it, and was corrupted enough that while i couldn't format it, i could recover everything on it.

Not that anything on there was irreplacable, as i keep all my music on my PC and PS2 as a backup.

Yes Playstation 2, as i had a 500gb hdd lying around, it needed an hdd, but doesn't actually use all that storage.

I could use it as a music player technically, but only would as a last resort lmao

[cinder lagoon]

Depends on your subscription

[sacred seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hAy5V91Hr4&ab_channel=GamersNexus Very interesting new tech for "benchmarking"

[amber fable]

Wow, I'm running out of disk space! I wonder where it all went

docker system prune

Almost 30gb of other random build artefacts may also be contributing.

I built two images since I last pruned.

And it takes 30m on my absolute monster of a system to rebuild those images.

[mossy gull]

I have my Storage Sense on 1 day, so I don't lose randomly 50GB of my SSD

[amber fable]

Worse, every little bit I need to rebuild the image to update it. Otherwise the environment it provides is out of date with the code base, and the project doesn't build.

This was all generated since about 4 hours ago. This is the second time I have pruned today.

This SSD is split 50/50 between Linux and Windows, and windows hardly touches it's half. Meanwhile, Docker, VMWare, and random build artifacts fight over the Linux side.

I should do some partition resizing.

Or maybe not, since this keeps the disk from filling up and going to shit.

[cerulean helm]

Well, I'll be damned, I bought an Nvidia Shield and I can install Ubiquiti's Unifi Protect on it to stream my cameras on my tv.

[surreal moss]

Oh yeah

They're good devices

[cinder lagoon]

Ya guys ever run out of your GPUs maximum texture size?
Apparently Minecraft still usesa texture atlas and many mod developers are really shit at saving texture space sooo.....

Also seemingly only NVidea GPUs come with a maximum of more than 16k x 16k per texture...

[balmy flicker]

wait are you saying that java Minecraft is taxing your GPU?

[jade scaffold]

lots of games still use Atlas though you might find for modern games the atlas to be a sphere not a flat texture and yea max gpu texture size is a little over 16k x 16k on modern gpus though this does vary from GPU to GPU with some of AMDs gpus i know having half that though i believe thats a driver thing not a hardware thing i think hardware wise everything can technically do 16k x 16k

[mossy gull]

Yes

[deep island]

Does anyone know if there's a way to force windows 10 into it's startup repair mode from outside the os? I just dropped my drives in a new rig and they post to BIOS, but I have a black screen instead of windows after that

[sonic meadow]

I think after several failed boots it does it automatically

[sacred seal]

Startup repair tends to be fairly worthless. You can manually initiate it with a USB stick, see if that fixes anything, but odds are you have something messed up with your patitions.

How many drives do you have?

[deep island]

4, 2 technically with os's on them including the backup

[sacred seal]

I would try and boot with just the OS drive installed, see if that improves anything

[deep island]

Will do

Wait, the backup drive started loading

[sacred seal]

It's pretty rare that windows black screens after a system swap, I am guessing you have the bit of the hard drive that tells the bios where your OS installed on a different drive from the one that the OS is actually on

And because your drives are in the wrong order, its pointing at nothing

[deep island]

If it is that is unintentional

[sacred seal]

It most likely would be

When you say backup, what exactly are you referencing? A clone?

[deep island]

Yeah, I have a clone from 3 months ago on an hdd

[sacred seal]

Is the clone a clone, or is your boot drive a clone?

[deep island]

And it did the same thing after doing the whole setup loading screen. I'm gonna yank some sata, one moment

I'm going to take it down to just the boot drive I want

[sacred seal]

If your boot drive is the clone, what could have happened is you didn't clone over all the partitions, meaning it was still relying on the origional to be able to boot

[deep island]

That would be incredibly annoying if that's it

[mossy gull]

Your DWM is fucked

[deep island]

Ah. Is it time to figure out which jump drive has the windows iso then?

[sacred seal]

Yea, you are probably going to need that...

I would start with startup repair, but if that fails here is a guide on how to rebuild the bcd

https://windowsreport.com/restore-recovery-boot-partition-windows-10/

I can't say for sure if this is the solution, but I can't really think of anything else it could be

[deep island]

Thank you, I'll work through those

I'm getting stuck on method 1 step 13

"%WINDIR%\System32\Config\BCD-Template" isn't a valid command

[sacred seal]

Type ls

As a command

I'm guessing that you didn't CD into the right place

Alteratively you can try method 2

[deep island]

One sec, irl beckons

Alright, the cat is placated.

Uh, we're on cmd not PowerShell dude

[sacred seal]

Should work on cmd as well

It's just a sanity check

[deep island]

I ran dir instead as there is no ls. What am I looking for?

[sacred seal]

Doi, getting my shells mixed up, sorry

[deep island]

No worries. There be boot directory stuff btw

[sacred seal]

Is there a %WINDIR% folder?

Actually no, there wouldnt be

[deep island]

Not listed here, no

[sacred seal]

Try CD %WINDIR%\System32\Config

[deep island]

Not letting me jump pver

[sacred seal]

So that path does not exist

Try cd %WINDIR%

[deep island]

Nope

[sacred seal]

New plan...
https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-rebuild-the-bcd-in-windows-2624508

[sonic meadow]

That alias might not exist if booting from recovery media

[deep island]

I was able to expose BCD

[sacred seal]

Yea, thats what I am thinking, but that's what the guide says to do

[deep island]

I might be able to skip that step

Got it

[sacred seal]

OK, well let's hope that fixed your boot issues then

[deep island]

bcdboot C:\Windows /l en-us /s k: /f ALL worked just fine

And yes, I deleted the old one first

Didn't fix it

[sacred seal]

Bla... Well as a sanity check try the other method of rebuilding the bcd

Computer works, so if it's not the bcd then something must be wrong with the os, which is really wierd given the circumstances

I don't think I have seen a os die due to transplant before

Well, at least on a working system

[mossy gull]

[deep island]

All right, it's dead.

Fortunately, I had a rare good idea and wrote down my license key last night

Thanks for the help, I'm just going to reinstall windows

[mossy gull]

I usually give up and just reinstall if this shite happens

[deep island]

That's the easy way out though

More fun to try to fix it

[mossy gull]

In my experience, it usually won't be fixable 😃

[sonic meadow]

My BCD issues have usually been hell to fix

[deep island]

I will leave you all with Step 0 of any Windows install:

[cinder lagoon]

Microsoft did that themselves in the last couple Win11 builds xD

[cinder lagoon]

Huh... this is new

Did you mean Website x?
Attackers sometimes clone websites and inconspicuously modify the address

[sacred seal]

Has 64gbs of ram
Tries to install game from 2001
Error: Not enough memory

[inland dove]

Too much memory

[pearl moon]

I mean that's just what happens when you throw 500 random unrelated hugely unoptimized mods at minecraft, it doesn't like it.

[jade scaffold]

going slowly insane trying to set up a minecraft server

port forwarding is done correctly

the server is set to use the right port

but no one can connect to it

not even a single bit of data gets sent to the server from anyone who trys to connect

[pearl moon]

That was me trying to troubleshoot my weird and random framerate issues in DCS VR for weeks, only to find out it was a bug with the jet i was flying and just got fixed a few days ago.

Also idk if anyone here remembers me talking about buying a 3080 12gb for $350, still haven't recieved it because UPS is being garbage as always and charged the seller twice, should hopefully be getting it this week tho.

It's an FTW3 too so i'm really excited.

massive improvement over my current gpu just a nice slight performance boost, nothing to scoff at https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3080-12GB-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2070S-Super/m1756562vs4048

70-80% improvement to be precise because it's just a 3080Ti that they couldn't get to reach advertised speeds, which results in it basically being 5% worse performing 3080Ti on average.

[jade scaffold]

could actually be higher than 80% my 3090 is about 2x as fast as my 1080ti and my 1080ti was a fast fucking 1080ti
and the 3090 isnt really all that much faster than a 3080/3080ti

[pearl moon]

Maybe, but considering 3080 12gb's are lower binned 3080ti's that they otherwise couldn't sell due to not reaching advertised speeds, i doubt it'll actually reach above the average 3080ti

Unless EVGA was able to pull some more magic bs than their usual magic bs they did to cards to make them run great

Sidenote, afaik the 3080 12gb should actually be the last new gpu EVGA ever sold, shortly after is when they stopped partnering with nvidia

Wish they still sold those Hybrid kits though, would love to slap one of those on the card, but at the price they're going for used i might as well get a 3rd party waterblock and go open loop

It effectively turned a 3 fan 3080/ti/3090 from an open air only cooled card to a 1 fan blower style card (ala FE) plus a 240mm rad.

[jade scaffold]

theres only a 10% difference between the 3080 and 3090 normally anyway

also i recommend not using user bench mark as a gauge of how powerful gpus are

[pearl moon]

what do you recommend then? i just use it cause the comparison feature is nice

and it's the first thing that pops up on google lmao

[cinder lagoon]

Whats wrong?
Tried to connect locally?
Tried connecting from the same machine via localhost?
Share your server properties file please (redact rcon password if neccesary)

[jade scaffold]

can connect locally

and its not the config

because 3 other servers i know work arent working

its somthing on the router end

[cinder lagoon]

Tried a port checker?

What OS is it running on?

Do the configs have the IP set?

[jade scaffold]

ive tried port checker

the ive tried the config with and without the IP set

usually i dont set it and it works but tried it with a set ip

servers on W10

[cinder lagoon]

Made sure that the used JVM executable is whitelisted on the firewall?

[jade scaffold]

yes

[amber fable]

I removed my desk pad to clean under it today, and along one edge the neoprene had turned into a sticky goo.

Thankfully IPA cleaned it right up, but it was nasty

[sacred seal]

I had that happen on my last mat. Reason I went with a LTT branded one

[amber fable]

This was an LTT branded one.

[sacred seal]

Oh...

[amber fable]

I got it right after the announced the northern lights pad, so it gave me a good couple of years service, but...

[sacred seal]

Given the current LTT mess, I am betting that they would be willing to replace it

Take some pictures, send it up to thier form if they don't

[amber fable]

Nah, not worth it.

I would rather just buy one and not have my arms sticking to my desk a couple of days sooner.

[sacred seal]

Buy another one and get them to replace the first one, that way you have a backup

[amber fable]

Hmm.

[sacred seal]

The economics of there mousepad never made sense to me. A tiny one and a desk sized one is the same price

[mossy gull]

I never had my Corsair pad change into a sticky goo, but then it's usually around 18C near my PC.

[balmy flicker]

I have a G910 (with the logitech switches) and for some reason it is multi-pressing keys constantly
the reason for the multi-pressing is it acting like a duplex trigger

any Idea on how to deal with it I have cleaned it and the issue persists

[amber fable]

Is it just some keys having issues?

[cinder lagoon]

in which cases does neoprene turn into goo? 🤔 contact with gasoline? 😂

[amber fable]

I don't know what caused it. It was partly under the area where the steam deck dock sat, but extended beyond that area on one side. At first I thought maybe heat or something, but the bottom of the dock is normally cold.

Also, neoprene should need a lot more heat than a steam deck could generate to break down.'

[sacred seal]

In my case the mat started disintegrating around where I would keep my hands, but it was the bottom that was turning to goo, not the top

[amber fable]

I never use the deck docked anyway, at least not while leaving the dock there.

I wonder if it has something to do with long term pressure

[jade scaffold]

tbf you are coated in like super cerosive fluid at all times so makes sense that some of that could seep through a mat to the neoprene layer and goop it up

[sacred seal]

Around, not under. Basically right between where I keep my mouse and keyboard

Except right on the edge of my desk

[barren juniper]

so apparently now amazon considers a monitor that weighs 8 pounds to be portable

doesnt even have a battery

trying to buy a portable monitor that i can either use in bed with a keyboard and mouse and plug it into my desktop, or one to put in front of the screen of my only working laptop because its a 900p tn panel

and this is the second one ive had to return

[balmy flicker]

a hand full of keys but I have not found a supper consistent pattern

[amber fable]

Hmm. if it was only certain keys it would likely be bad switches, but...

[balmy flicker]

it is not even consistent

some times a letter will do it other times it will not. it seems to be getting a bit better than it was when i asked yesterday

[jade scaffold]

FIXED MINECRAFT
you know what the issue was?
the IPV4 i had was fake
as in my ISP didn't provide a real IPV4
instead the IPV4 was more like a machine IP for a bigger router
anyway got that sorted they have given me a permeant static ip

[balmy flicker]

yay

[cinder lagoon]

Guys whats that other great headphone comany again?
There's Sennheiser and... its on the tip of my tongue

[cinder lagoon]

Actually, looking for wireless headphones

[mossy gull]

What's your budget?

[cinder lagoon]

Sub 200€, including a mic (preferably good one)

Mic can be tabletop or boom arm or similar

So imma say headphones 150

[mossy gull]

HyperX Cloud II or III

[cinder lagoon]

...these look... wired?

[sonic meadow]

there is a wireless version of the III at least (didnt look at the II)

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh I'll look into it

[sonic meadow]

oh god, the bullshots on the product page have some horrible fake smiles. those poor models 😦

[mossy gull]

Corsair has a really good 1, for almost 300.-

[cinder lagoon]

What about wireless headphones?

[mossy gull]

Both HyperX Cloud should have a wireless variant

[cinder lagoon]

Ones without the mic - they gotta be cheaper for sure

[sonic meadow]

those are headsets

[cinder lagoon]

Like something low latency but no mic

[mossy gull]

I don't know any good wireless headphones with low latency, only headsets/phones like the Corsair HS80 MAX.
All the others I know are Bluetooth, so not really low latency

[cinder lagoon]

Okay thats already helpful - i hoped something like this existed...

[sonic meadow]

I havent had any latency issues with my Audio Technica wireless bluetooth headphones. And I really noticed when the earpads were shot and I was using my Earpod knockoffs, holy cow those have horrible latency

[mossy gull]

I had Sonys, Bose, Microsoft, all had the notorious Bluetooth latency

But I know the Corsair HS80 MAX, which is sadly a headset, does have low latency through their "Slipstream" tech

[surreal moss]

I Never noticed launch issues with my Logitech or Man’O’War headsets

[mossy gull]

Which again are headsets, Chaos is apparently looking for headphones

[surreal moss]

Oh, I missed that

[mossy gull]

Although, the Logitech were amazing for their time with their useless RGB

[cinder lagoon]

If the mic quality is fine the "headset" part is no problem xD

[mossy gull]

It sounds really good for a wireless headset.
Around 7:45
https://youtu.be/YDlMxKmUdYM?si=taYG3D7FVR7ZCtdY

But then I come from the era when headset mics on wireless headsets were absolutely garbage

I saw this headset and I thought awesome for on-the-go, then I remembered, I can't speak a word.

@cinder lagoon
This is the webpage from the headset
https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/gaming-headsets/ca-9011296-eu/hs80-max-wireless-gaming-headset-white-eu-ca-9011296-eu

[cinder lagoon]

Thaanks all, I think the HS80 Max is the most appropriate at the price point - considering that seperate solutions would be more expensieve and probably about the same quality

[pearl moon]

i wonder when a product will actually break the stigma of "keyboard companies don't make good headphones"

[amber fable]

Part of this contains the "why" of "why didn't they contact LTT first?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot6roLarLHo

[sacred seal]

Gamers nexus made it private... I wonder why

[cinder lagoon]

... did the shitstorm just turn around and boomerang back?? 🤔

Comment why they pulled:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChIs72whgZI9w6d6FhwGGHA/community?lb=Ugkxf7XU1N6ySrRcJntDqU083NX6m8K0w1R_

[sacred seal]

Other then the real unfortunate timing of the release, I only watched a little bit but I diddn't see any issue with it

[surreal moss]

As someone that doesn’t follow either too closely it kinda looks like two companies trying to out ethics each other

[sacred seal]

And based on the comments it seems like others diddnt as well

[cinder lagoon]

The "issues" seem to have been about 4/5 in the video

[amber fable]

I didn't see anything wrong with it.

Looking at the comments on the post, it seems like LTT simps and people who are oddly butt-hurt over their reasoning for why they don't reach out for comment sometimes.

AKA, more LTT simps.

[cinder lagoon]

Any of you know where I could get a Breakout PCB for this connector?
https://cdn.amphenol-cs.com/media/wysiwyg/files/drawing/musbrm5c1xx.pdf
It has 28 rectangular solder leads with a size of 0.25mm x 0.15mm in a seemingly special layout...

My end goal is to terminate those pins to Dupont (Jumper) wires so I can work with them myself but this is just too small for me too solder wires to it.

My other idea is that I go to a gold smith with a laser and ask them to laser-weld wires to it which I can then crimp myself.

[mossy gull]

https://videocardz.com/newz/maxsun-launches-worlds-first-geforce-rtx-4090-gpu-with-five-fans

5 fan, 2.5 slot 4090

[jade scaffold]

2.5 slot cards annoy me ill be honest with you it has 90% of the disadvantages of 3 slot and 0 of the advantages

[sacred seal]

Those two extra fans are unlikely to do anything

[jade scaffold]

also calling THIS 2.5 slot is a lie

thats 3 slot with a 2 slot bracket

[sonic meadow]

that is more or less what 2.5 slot means. 2 slots bracket but more than 2 slots girth.

though that does look like it might impinge on slot 4 slightly 🤔

[mossy gull]

That looks way fatter than the image in the article

[sacred seal]

Actually, those extra fans look like they might make the cooling worse. You want the heat to exaust out of the "top" of the card, but those two fans look like intakes

[sonic meadow]

top one looks like an exhaust to me. the blades are "scooping" upwards

[jade scaffold]

thats an official immage from the company that made it

[sonic meadow]

without having looked at any other images, I think it would likely be either worse or roughly as good as just having a passthrough out the back of the board like a lot of cards do

which is does have

[jade scaffold]

if you want a 3 slot sized card to fit in cases that might have room technically for it but not the slots available just sell the card with a extra bracket

[sonic meadow]

a 3 slot bracket would exclude it from some cases

ones that it would otherwise fit in

[jade scaffold]

INCLUDE BOTH

its a peice of bent stabed up metal it'd cost like $1 to make

[mossy gull]

I have an ITX case with a 2 slot GPU space

[sonic meadow]

but why? the extra slotting doesnt really add anything but cost

[mossy gull]

But ample space for watercooling

[jade scaffold]

if you build your cooler right 3 slot GPUs have substantially less sag and strain on the PCIE slot than their 2 slot counter parts

[sonic meadow]

if you build them right 2 slot bracketed cards have no sag and basically zero strain on the pcie slot too

[jade scaffold]

the issue with alot of brackets on some GPUs tho is the bracket mounts to the PCB not the cooler

[sonic meadow]

in many cases (on two slot brackets) you can basically eliminate sagging and slot strain by shimming the bracket

[mossy gull]

I have no 3 slot space, 2.5 max, but no 3 slot

[sonic meadow]

its not a problem that is solved by just adding an extra slot to the bracket

[jade scaffold]

you actually cant on cards with their bracket mounted to the PCB not the cooler

regardless this is a 2.5 slot card that is so massive it actually might not fit in anything

[sonic meadow]

but again, thats not an issue with it being a 2 slot bracket

[jade scaffold]

if you could fit this in a ITX case thats the size of a shoe box i'd beimpressed

whats annoying me is they are calling it a 2.5 slot card

when in reality its a 2 slot card the size of a full 3 slot one

[sonic meadow]

aka most 2.5 slot cards

they all stop you from using the third slot for anything but an ISA card anyway

[jade scaffold]

ive seen very few "2.5" slot cards that are actually full 3 slots so they have some practical use of fitting in ITX cases

i mean atleast the cooler looks to actually be mounted to the IO plate

because that thing would deffos break the PCB if it wasnt like all the recent gigabyte cards have done

also yea the fans are seemingly pulling air out of the card which could actually improve cooling not really sure how much by but it could

[sonic meadow]

I can now imagine Steve saying during a review of the card
"We love the idea of fans pulling air out of the heatsink, however in our review sample one of the two fans was spinning backwards and the other never budged"

[jade scaffold]

xD

i think we need more of the NVidia style flow through cards tbh

as big as NVidias 4090 card is its weirdly not super long just really fucking fat

or or

liquid cooled cards

[sonic meadow]

the 30/40 series founders cards were actually really short. even more obvious when you pulled the hs/f off to put a water block on. and then were stuck with the triangular fan cutout xD

[jade scaffold]

liquid cooling a GPU realistically isnt very expensive but liquid cooling has this aura of "ooh look fancy" when in reality its not actually all too much more expensive than a high end Air cooler

[sonic meadow]

there is already a few of those, alas they have a cost premium attached to them. unsurprising really

[mossy gull]

For me water cooled GPUs are at least 200.- more expensive

[jade scaffold]

yea they are everywhere

its really fucking stupid that they are that expensive though is what im saying

[sonic meadow]

you arent paying for the water cooling hardware so much as paying for a water cooled graphics card

[jade scaffold]

yea exactly

meanwhile i can tak some old ass AIO onto a 1080ti and run it at 300w and have a 45C 1080ti for £75

[sonic meadow]

and its only slightly more than doing it yourself, plus you hopefully get functional vrm/ram temps too. which is a problem for diy gpu aio solutions

[jade scaffold]

yea my VRMs on my 1080ti started going

[mossy gull]

The Inno3D iChill watercooled is 250.- more expensive than the air cooled 1, yet the waterblock itself is like 150.-
It's cheaper to make it yourself

[jade scaffold]

i think they would have been fine if it wasnt overclcoked out of the ass

i think it had a 7+1 or 7+2 phase VRM

[sonic meadow]

its so cute 😢

[jade scaffold]

the 1080ti still boosts above stcok speeds atm

Asus still actually make the Turbo line of GPUs

their newer turbos look way cooler than the older ones

but still they are allright GPUs very small on the count of being blower cards

[sonic meadow]

I just want more consumer not-shit low profile graphics cards. I dont want to fork out for a quadro for my silly build idea using a lenovo sff pc case 😆

[jade scaffold]

the thing is quadros can be small because they run at real low clock speeds

well their voltages are lower

stability and all

[sonic meadow]

the a2000 is functionally a 3050. yet we never got a 3050 lp

it was also what, 2x? 3x? the cost of a 3050

[jade scaffold]

yea ECC memory validated drivers is what you get with them

one of my favourites is the A4000

its a single slot GPU

technically a 3070 16GB just lower voltage with an after market cooler you can get it to 3070 performance though

[sonic meadow]

the other half of my idea involved water cooling. again in that lenovo sff pc case 😆 so cooling would theoretically not be an issue

[jade scaffold]

the A2000 is technically a 3060

liquid cool a FE card

they are so small

[sonic meadow]

they arent low profile though

[jade scaffold]

ah right

just like stick a low profile aio to the A 2000 then

[sonic meadow]

one of these I think. an older variant though, would need to fish it out of storage to double check

[jade scaffold]

wanna see my favourite atrociy of an AIO?

This

this shit should be illigal

[sonic meadow]

nah, thats beautiful

[sonic meadow]

A couple of oems did that for their sff pcs

[jade scaffold]

i kinda want one to build an SFF pc tbh

i really like 40mm rads but i'd want to use noctuas goofy lil 40mms

[sonic meadow]

and a top shot with the front tipped open. I figure I could fit a 160 rad in the front (I think it runs an 80mm fan 🤔), maybe two sandwiching a single row of fans 😆. though fitting any of the flow equipment in at that point would be a pain

[jade scaffold]

yea hell even an 80mm rad is more than enough for a CPU that would be reasonable to pair with a A2000

[sonic meadow]

an overclocked 13900k it is then

[jade scaffold]

also the blower fan on that cooler i showed is massive its actually probably fairly quiet

im pretty sure its a 120mm wide fan thats 30mm thick

[sonic meadow]

might be ~90mm wide

alas gpus gave blower fans a bad rep among pc gamers/builders

[jade scaffold]

had an awefull idea

gaint 3 slot GPU like our current ones

with the biggest possible blower fan on it

[sonic meadow]

except its a radiator+fan like that?

[jade scaffold]

nah all in the size of a normi 3 slot GPU water isnt really needed if you arent moving heat else where away from the card

so just like a big vapour chamber and dense heatsink

[sonic meadow]

was meaning for the cpu 😛

[jade scaffold]

i mean

yea that could work

pretty sure Dell did that once

mounting CPU cooling to the PCIE slots is actually a pretty good idea

[sonic meadow]

nah, was just meaning like an AIO but the rad fits in expansion slots 😆

this however is my silly idea. that isnt a dual tower cpu cooler, but an AIO.
with the radiator/s attached to the pump/block combo

[jade scaffold]

i was thinking a card that goes into your PCIE slots that cools your CPU in the same way as an AIO would

i really wanna do a Mac studio style PC with a 40mm rad in the front that has like a Ryzen 7 and a quadro in it i think that would be pretty cool

[sonic meadow]

ahh, so we were on the same page then xD

[jade scaffold]

omg

[sonic meadow]

so cute

[jade scaffold]

i didnt know they made single 40mm i only ever used to find 2x40mm and bigger

i wonder what its cooling capacity is

its aparently a 50mm?

though i think the hole spacing might be for a 40mm

[sonic meadow]

like noctua has fans that are 140mm 150mm in size but have hole spacing for 120mm mounting

[jade scaffold]

the single best fan ever disigned

was kinda expecting it to have a white background but okay xD

[sonic meadow]

transparent images are a plague 😛

[jade scaffold]

technically that 40mm specifically is build on the same tech that their really good 120mm is built on so the gap between housing and fan is next to nothing and the reason its so dumpy thicc is because it has really high static pressure

[sonic meadow]

that is all pretty standard for 40mm fans

[jade scaffold]

yea they also have a thinn one tho with a much smaller hub

[sonic meadow]

40mm fans basically come in two varieties:
slim and slow
server

[jade scaffold]

much bigger gap between fan and housing as well

one thing that alot of people dont realise is noctua is actually a material science company too
also of their money for developing fans goes towards making materials that are more rigid and dont expand when spinning and so on and its why it takes them so long to get blak fans out sometimes

[sonic meadow]

did you see the piece GN did on/with them from... computex I think it was recently?

"security keeps coming and asking us to leave"

[jade scaffold]

yea i did

im fucking dead

this is the box it comes in

[sonic meadow]

oh god, I love it

[jade scaffold]

THEY SELL IT AS A KEY CHAIN

im delving deeper into the rabit hole of none cooling things noctua sell

sofar its Hoodies a scre driver a fan keychain they sell a keyboard

they sell t shirts too

[pearl moon]

Sadly that has seemingly all but died with EVGA out of the GPU business, afaik they were the only ones really known for water blocked and hybrid aio factory cards

[barren juniper]

man i really dont get this whole drama thing with gn and ltt and why it didnt die like a week ago

[barren juniper]

though funnily enough i was studying materials science in college. then march of 2020 happened

[balmy flicker]

there are a lot of odd cases like this zies is an optics company but they also make CMMs Starrett makes saw blades and optical QC and mesuring equipment

[cinder lagoon]

i paid 400 dollars for a simple loop without reservoir

[cinder lagoon]

DOES THE KEY CHAIN SPIN??

[cinder lagoon]

just like Hitachi makes excavators, construction equipment an- stop hitting me

[jade scaffold]

HOW

i have a custom block on a 3090 i got for sub 200

[jade scaffold]

and yes it does

[sonic meadow]

block: 200
simple loop: 400
I dont see how those are at all contradictory

[jade scaffold]

no

i got a full liquid cooled loop with a custom block on a 3090 for sub 200

a simple tip for buying liquid cooling stuff is dont buy from EK they are the apple of liquid cooling
Alpha cool make stuff that is just as functional for usually way under half the price

the price of liquid cooling is inflated because it used to be an exotic way to cool a computer

[sonic meadow]

it still is

[jade scaffold]

now its not exotic in the slightest

but its still expensive

because people hold onto the precepton that liquid cooling is in anyway exotic

[sonic meadow]

while it might not be very "exotic" anymore, it is still highly niche

[jade scaffold]

AIOs have almost identical hardware to custom loops minus a resivouir and have a more compact pump and you can get a 360mm aio for like what 100 150 for the "high end" ones

[sonic meadow]

AIOS tend to have a lousy pump, much cheaper block, and thinner aluminium radiators

[jade scaffold]

i dont get why we dont have aluminium rads and blocks

aluminium is only slightly worse at conducting heat like very very slightly

and has less mass to sink

[sonic meadow]

its much worse at conducting heat

[jade scaffold]

not for PC hardware it isnt

[sonic meadow]

uhhh. wot. aluminium has 60% the thermal conductivity of copper

[jade scaffold]

jesus christ

IF YOU CAN NOT SATURATE THE RADIATOR THEN THE THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY DOES NOT MATTER

also that conductivivty

isnt rating air to metal conductivity

which in a radiator is what is actually important

that 40% different is through the metals not transfering to air

[sonic meadow]

shouting doesnt make you right

[jade scaffold]

regardless my CPU Rad is aluminium and it could do 300w of heat with 0 issue almost totally silently

[sonic meadow]

you have to get the energy through the metal, and from the transfer medium (water, heatpipe goop, etc) in to the metal. and from the metal to the air. all of those benefit from higher conductivity

by your logic we should be using lead or steel for our radiators because apparently the thermal conductivity of a metal doesnt matter for thermal applications 🤔

[jade scaffold]

i said if you cant saturate the rad

which unless you have a 3090 and 13900k on a single 240mm rad you probs arent

[sonic meadow]

you dont need to saturate a heatsink/radiator for the thermal conductivity to matter.

[jade scaffold]

also you cant tell me that a aio GPU would cost more to make than the manufacturing nightmare that is Nvidias current Founders edition cards

a custom GPU cooler doesnt have to have a overkill 5mm thick plate of copper covering the entire PCB to be functional

thats why alot of GPU blocks cost so much

they weigh a fucking tonne

[sonic meadow]

"it would cost more to make than... Nvidias current founders editions cards".
there you go
you do know that vrm and vram cooling is a thing right? and does functionally need to be done if you want your shit to work

[jade scaffold]

big heaps of copper machined out of 1 chunk of copper thats why EKs blocks will set you back a leg

[jade scaffold]

yea thats very easy to do

like comically easy to do

alot have done it wrong in the past in fairnes

but the way we see modern cards do it is they have a metal plate usually aluminium with some fins on it that goes over all the VRM and VRAM and a fan on the Graphics card dedicated to cooling just thoes while the main bulk of heat generated by the GPU itself gets carried off to a rad

quite literally

a none issue

some companies will fuck it up still but hey ho as long as we have reviewers to tell us which are good to buy and which arent thats not too much of an issue

really with some modern VRMs just fukin passing air over them is enough some VRMs are fucking crazy af

[cinder lagoon]

CPU block, PWM pump, fittings and Rad - each about 100€

I should specify tho it was for the work project (water-tight computer case for building automation maintanance in harsh environments)

so I had 2 rads and a block, along with two bulkhead passthroughs, each having 4 fittings on their own

[jade scaffold]

Ah that might do it

[jade scaffold]

Got a co worker whos pc appears to be bricked xD

Stuck in the windows loading screen then it blue screened then went back to loading it's been doing this for the past 40min

Something tells me it's not going to load

[mossy gull]

Reinstall Windows, see if it still happens

[jade scaffold]

Yea reinstalling would fix it but I'm not tech support

[mossy gull]

I am for family and "friends"

If it bootloops more than 20 minutes I usually give up and reinstall

[jade scaffold]

If it boot loops for more than 2 I reinstall

It only takes 5 mins to install windows

[cinder lagoon]

technically true - the best kind of true...

Setting everything up again and installing shit takes hours

tho Win11 has something in the pipeline that shall make a re-setup way faster and easier - not sure anymore how it works but I've read that it enetered the preview channel

[jade scaffold]

Not really if you reinstall and tell it to keep files and programs you can just drag most stuff back

Depends what you had installed tho sometimes windows doesn't keep some programs so you will have to reinstall

[sacred seal]

That feature tends to be really hit or miss, more miss then hit

[jade scaffold]

I got a 1gb internet connection so I can download anything not a AAA game in seconds

Loging back into things is what takes the most time your honestly

Fetch this code check this email check your phone bla bla bla

[sacred seal]

Eh, I had to factory reset my machine recently. It was not fun, and I am still finding programs that I am missing

Finding exe's, let alone the correct exe for some of the stuff I use is not fun

[sonic meadow]

It's not just about installing stuff, but configuring your applications.

Especially if you have stuff that is... Weird

[jade scaffold]

If you are doing it in a company you should have your computer's set up in a way you can just push a configuration to them

[sonic meadow]

Who ever said anything about a company?

Oh wait, you said co worker earlier xD

[jade scaffold]

If you are on a local system most stuff usualy doesn't really need reconfiguring depends what you do tho

[sacred seal]

Has to be a fairly large company to justify that kind of setup

You get a small company with each member specializing no two configs will look alike, and getting the licences you need for all your PCs would bankrupt you

[jade scaffold]

Anything mid sized should have that set up it's not too hard to do and if you have a dedicated it department they likely aren't doing much else

But yea for like a coffe shop or somthin you probs won't have that kinda thing set up which is fair enough

[sacred seal]

Where I work (for now) has at least 3 dozen employees, but its all remote work

[sonic meadow]

Small businesses tend to outsource their IT, which means there might not be any interest in doing stuff "properly"

[sacred seal]

And everyone has there own requirements for software

Accounting suites, office suites, management suites, server dev, client dev, 3d modeling, video editing, ect

[jade scaffold]

Yea there's also not much point if ya business is tiny

[sacred seal]

36 people is not tiny

[jade scaffold]

Not specifically saying yours

[sonic meadow]

36 is still small business. Not tiny, but still at the size where if they have in house IT it's likely a second responsibility

[sacred seal]

Yea, we don't have in house. With everyone bieng remote and a decent number of them being devs, having a dedicated person doesn't make much sense

Especially when the workloads are as diverse as they are

[jade scaffold]

Yea makes sense

[cinder lagoon]

I've recently had the epiphany of just taking all "set-it-and-forget-it" programs config files (in their proper folder structure) along with basically all program installers and throwing them into my onedrive in a special folder.
Now its just an excersie of hitting ctrl+a, enter and copying the config folder content into my C:\ drive

[cinder lagoon]

Bruh what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uCpY3tFTIA

[mossy gull]

Apple should release an iMac Studio 32".
The iMac currently is a disgrace, it only comes with the M1 base and is 24", which makes it weaker than an iPad Pro

[cinder lagoon]

apples complete lineup is a disgrace currently...
every bigger machine gets thrown in the dust by the Macbook Airs and "pro"s (how is a fan considered pro??)

[jade scaffold]

The Mac Pro is just a very slightly faster Mac studio

Everyone was kinda hoping for it to have a way bigger soc or something or the extra cooling allowing to clock like massively higher or somthin

But nope it's just a lil but faster not worth it costing at a minimum double the price of the studio

[jade scaffold]

It's weird that there isn't a mid range m2 version of the i mac

[mossy gull]

The iMac is just a piece of crap and slower than all Apple products.

I last time found a company that has iMac Pros for their video editing, and they say the current iMac line-up is just horrendous.

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's just like a browsing computer for some odd reason

Not a work one like the iPad pro and Mac books can all somewhat be used for

[mossy gull]

IMacs were THE Apple computers to use, now they're a piece of trash.

IMacs made what Apple is today, and now they leave them in the dust.

[jade scaffold]

Yea they are more so going for the the tiny desktop approach

Which is all well and good but kinda odd they'd neglect the all in 1 computer maybe they werent selling as well as they'ed like

[mossy gull]

You know, they should copy the Surface Studio for their next iMac Pro/Studio and make it miles better.

[jade scaffold]

And the m1 iMac's looked really nice too

[mossy gull]

They're not selling because they're overpriced and underperform.
IMacs were popular in companies that work with design and they still use their iMac Pros.

[jade scaffold]

I would kill for the surface studios screen as a monitor I'm so pissed they wouldn't sell the monitor stand alone or allow the computer to be used as a monitor

[jade scaffold]

Yea but there's not alot of point to them they either have to be bulky to be as powerful as a studio which apple don't want to do and there's not much reason to buy a aio pc when the studio is already so tiny it'll fit on a monitor stand or a monitor will happily sit on top of it

[mossy gull]

The current iMac here costs 1600.-
Mac Mini + LG C2 49" will cost you 1500.- here.

[jade scaffold]

I'm pretty sure there's vesa adaptors for it that let you attach it to a monitor

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: the new iMac motherboard fits in the MacBook Air

[jade scaffold]

Yea that's not a surprise

[mossy gull]

So they can easily make it more powerful, but instead they neglect it

[jade scaffold]

Depends on how well they can cool it I suppose

They could just make it slightly thicker

[mossy gull]

If you can cool the old MacBook Pro you also can cool the current iMac.

[jade scaffold]

The current I Mac iirc is thinner than the iPad was

Ok no nvmd it isn't

It's proportionally thinner

Not actually thinner yea there's not much excuse for it being as wimpy as it is

[mossy gull]

If Asus can cool a phone with a tiny cooler so can Apple

And I think the top part of the Surface Book is thinner, which still has a cooler

Apple has no excuses in making a better cooler, they just don't want to

[jade scaffold]

Just had a truly terrible idea

I wonder if I can get the screen from a surface studio 2 I think the desktop one was get an EDP adaptor and make an enormous touch screen tablet

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: you also can get an old Surface Studio, get a capture card and you have that display

[jade scaffold]

Yea but I'm not sure you'd be able to use the touch screen

You can buy screen replacements for the surface studio 2+

Ideas for funny ginormous tablet intensify

Yo I could fit a asrick 4x4 in something that big

Which means I can get those high end intergreated graphics in there

[mossy gull]

[jade scaffold]

This is a hilariously cursed idea

[mossy gull]

I know companies that have the Surface Studio just because you can easily lay them flat

[jade scaffold]

Now imagine one that's portable with a 1060 equivalent and Ryzen 7

Is the 780m graphics 1060 equivalent or was that the 680m

[mossy gull]

680m is 1060 equivalent

[jade scaffold]

I can get an apu with a 780m

I might do this

The size of battery I could fit in this

[mossy gull]

Get the GPD Win 4 2023 motherboard, it's tiny as hell

[jade scaffold]

Wouldn't need to on a tablet this big

It'd be like a 32 inch tablet

Comically impractical

[mossy gull]

The Surface Studio is 28"

It's a 3:2 display I believe as well

Which makes it even more weird

[jade scaffold]

Yea it's just massive

Could probs fit 2 99whr batteries in it with a 30w apu even at full load that'd last ages

[mossy gull]

I tested 1 at a (not allowed to call their name) company before and it's jarring yet really nice to draw on.
It's really big and clear, people complain about MS their contrast and colour a lot, but 1 thing they got right is the displays are so uniform.

[mossy gull]

4 99whr batteries

99whr batteries are pretty small these days and fit inside a MacBook Pro

[jade scaffold]

How long would a 30w apu last on that

Awww looking at replacement screens and ms sells them for like 1.5k and Alibaba and AliExpress for 350

If I could a got them from eBay or a broken surface studio from eBay for less than 300 I might have tried

[mossy gull]

Combined with the massive display which can consume ±50w, probably 16 hours

The SB2 15 could survive 12 hours, has a 25w CPU and 15 inch display with I think 74whr battery.

[jade scaffold]

Also just realised having multiple batteries would let you have mega fast charging

[mossy gull]

If you have a charger that can do it

[jade scaffold]

Yea

You could do 60w fast charging into each battery

Though 1 usb C PD port for the total of 240w of charging

With that you wouldn't have to worry too much about battery's overheating

Is the battery limit a total per device or per battery

Like if you had 4 99wh batteries is that classed as a bunch of separate batteries or as one big roughly 400wh battery

[mossy gull]

I would have a part of the cooling pass over the battery, but hey that's me

[jade scaffold]

Yea I'd put some kind of none electrically conducting thermal interface between the batteries and the aluminium housing allowing heat to be passively dissipated would also have a fan for the apu so I could have some fins machined into the aluminium housing both tiny ones externally and some internally where the path of air from the fan

[mossy gull]

Or be like Surface users, heatsink on the outside

[jade scaffold]

Thats what putting lil ridges and fins in the housing would effectively do to it

Also extra grip maybe if you put them along the sides

[mossy gull]

I would just have tad bigger bezels to hold onto

[jade scaffold]

The surface studios bezzels are pretty big

Mainly cos the screen is just flat out big

[mossy gull]

They ain't that big even, bezels like these are common on studio displays and drawing displays

It's to put your hand/fingers somewhere to keep it steady

It's the consumer market that wants no bezels

[jade scaffold]

Nah they are pretty big

It's a good cm stleast of bezzel if not more

[mossy gull]

It's only a few cm, they really ain't that big, you should see it in real life.
The bezels are just big enough to put your thumbs on

[jade scaffold]

Yea which is fine

You shouldn't have your thumbs extended across the entire screen that's silly

[mossy gull]

And they're just big enough for your thumbs to grip on.

[jade scaffold]

Which is fine honestly alot of people don't even use their thumbs to hold onto phones and tables instead using the palm to get a good grip on the sides of the device and using their fingers to actually support the weight

The surface studio screen would also make for a 28 inch tablet chances are you aren't holing it for very long at a time

[mossy gull]

I miss holding my phone in a not cramped way

[jade scaffold]

I find it fine

[mossy gull]

I have a case just to no press the display

I like bezels to hold onto

[jade scaffold]

Framework will be selling mobos with the CPU I want

the 7640u is a thing

2 less CPU cores which is fine but 4 less GPU cores which is less fine however it has the same max tdp so maybe I can use all that power saved to clock up the GPU

Looks like it's on average 20-30% slower than the 780m

[mossy gull]

Get the 1 from the Framework 16, then you also can attach a GPU easily

[jade scaffold]

How so

[mossy gull]

The 16 has an PCIe 8x lane for the 7700S

[jade scaffold]

Might have issues cooling that in the form factor I'm considering

I'm not sure they'ed make fan/coolers both big enough and thinn enough

I mean maybe I could

28" tablet with a 8 core CPU and a 7700s is so stupid

The good part about frameworks usb C ports is they are like mostly full feature ones so you can convert them into near enough anything

[mossy gull]

Having an 28" tablet is stupid, so why not go overboard?

Behold, stupidity at its finest

[jade scaffold]

That's what I'm saying I still do want it to be thinn though

But if I can cram it into a form factor 8mm thick I'll fukin do it

[jade scaffold]

What connector does the framework use for its GPU

At work and can't open the open source files they provide

[jade scaffold]

Also can't get main boards for the 16 just yet

Sad

[mossy gull]

But the 16 is thin?

[mossy gull]

Home brewed internal PCIe on the 16, Thunderbolt as well

[jade scaffold]

Not at the back where the GPU is it's not

Over 2cm thick

My issue is gonna be cooling with a 30w apu and 100w GPU with something as big as this if I got a custom solution made it wouldn't be too much of an issue but I'm not too knowledgeable on the limitations of heat pipe size

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SJzIn0ZnybzGJ8wDNUIN6h57rsqvw4LXQgpt27pZYxU/https/cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/j-V0aMfIorpIpjNhigeNV7hFsA0%3D/0x0%3A2138x1425/2138x1425/filters%3Afocal(1069x713%3A1070x714)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/24530306/Framework_Laptop_16_Graphics_Module.jpg

It's like ultra modular though which is pretty nice

[mossy gull]

I am gonna buy 1

[mossy gull]

Just make sure it has enough ventilation, the cooling of the 16 is inside the back module

[jade scaffold]

Yea probs a good investment the base DIY version is 1.4k USD

[jade scaffold]

Yea which is very thick I would like to keep it thin

So custom heatsinks it is

Just had a terrible idea

If I have the body of the tablet machined out of a solid block of aluminium could I build some fins and heat pipes into the design and use frameworks mounting holes making it super easy to just swap stuff in and out if the heat pipes are able to be removed I can even accommodate for substantial changes in design bar them completely changing the mounting of the mobo itself

[cinder lagoon]

Didn't we already have the topic of custom laptop heatsink some time ago?
I am still shouting >TERRIBLE IDEA< it is not gonna last and things will definitely go south at some point
Tho a framework laptop might be the best target for such an idea

[mossy gull]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-demoes-8-core-528-thread-puma-chip-with-1-tbs-silicon-photonics#:~:text=Intel unveiled its first direct mesh-to-mesh photonic fabric,to enable up to 1TB%2Fs of data throughput.

[pearl moon]

Omega-ultra-giga-hyperthreading

[jade scaffold]

Not good at any normal stuff but at things with massive data sets it's great

[pearl moon]

Workloads where throwing as many threads at it results in faster speeds and nothing else matters is what this is for

[mossy gull]

Who needs cores when you can have threads

[pearl moon]

Well, in other news, i'm getting my 3080 12gb tomorrow (well technically today but still)

And i'm super excited

[cinder lagoon]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1260276-question-about-3-pin-fans-tach-signals/?do=findComment&comment=14138787
do I understand this right that the PWM tach signal has no known HIGH voltage (could be about 5, could be 12)?

or (as a mobo) do you "send" voltage via the tach pin and monitor if it shorts to GND?

[sonic meadow]

kinda? looks like you are supposed to read it via pretty standard pullup setup, with a voltage slightly higher than your fan voltage.

[cinder lagoon]

gaht damnit

[sonic meadow]

I should add that that is Noctua's idea of what is supposed to happen there

[cinder lagoon]

yeah I've seen the whitepaper, just didn't believe it :/

[sonic meadow]

what is there to not believe?

[cinder lagoon]

my mind to actually understand what is written there

[pearl moon]

So it runs like a beast in comparison to the 2070 i used to use, baseline out of the box Time Spy GPU score was 18700ish. After flipping the OC switch on, increasing the power target in X1 to the max (113%) gave me +500 points, and nvidia auto-OC gave me another +300 for a total of 19507, which is in the top 13% of 3080 12gb Time Spy scores.

[cinder lagoon]

Huh... Was easier than I thought...

[cinder lagoon]

this is btw my solution to reading 3 Fan Tach signals and 5 NTC Thermistor temperature probes

[sonic meadow]

is that a doubleside board?

[cinder lagoon]

I think it's bridged through - why?

[sonic meadow]

well if it was singleside it would be weird to have all that stuff on the copper side

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh you mean components on both sides
nop did not need more stuff and I don't think I could've fit much more without "traces" crossing eachother

[sonic meadow]

nope, was meaning copper both sides

[cinder lagoon]

I believe there's no copper involved other than the through-holes

I have the "traces" on both sides because solder kept bleeding to the top anyways if you mean that

[sonic meadow]

nah, dont worry about it

[cinder lagoon]

Nah tell me - it was my first time doing one of these and I probably did a good amount of things that make you need more space or whatever so I appreciate feedback and links to conventions I couldn't find because I lack terminology 😅

[sonic meadow]

Resister legs are great, once you have the resister (or capacitor/etc) in, snip the legs off and you can use them for a bunch of stuff.
The legs make great bridges, you put them in between two components that you need connected and solder it in like anything else then you only need to bridge one pad on each end isntead of awkardly bridging large numbers of pads using solder. Heck you can just melt the solder at the base of the component and attach the leg to that, then do the same at the other end. Or just not snip it off and bend it to the component you are connecting it to then solder that in.
Duponts can be a bit of a pain to solder in, they sometimes like melting the plastic dohickey and shifting around. So you plug them in to something, this also helps keep the pins together when using more than one. in the case of yours if you had a 4 long socket (have any old usb motherboard headers floating around?) you can hold two in place at once.

But honestly, I was really just curious about the board because of the pads on top, and the giant runs of solder around the outside 😆

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh definitly will be keeping this in mind! The resistor leg one is a 5-head move
I do have this dupont crimp kit with everything from multi-pin plastic housings to right angle pin rows.
Decided to keep them separate because they are meant for 3 different circuits (and the bottom ones for 5 different) but I would've liked if I could've easily fitted all connectors to one edge of the board

[jade scaffold]

looking at getting some high end headphones for my partner
Considering the Maxwells from Audeze
though if there are other headphones with detatchable wires i can get a wire for that has a lil mic that would work too

[pearl moon]

Watched the first 2 mins of the z reviews video on it, and he loves them, plus 80h battery life, god damn

[jade scaffold]

yea the reason the battery life is probably so long is because planar magnetics are super thinn and efficient meaning more room for batteries as well as less power useage

they have a playstation too

so the fact they offer a PS version is good too

[cinder lagoon]

Momentum 4 has optional wire

[jade scaffold]

So do the Maxwell's

[pearl moon]

Just watched the rest of Zeos' review of the Maxwell and damn do I want a pair now

The only downside to me and literally only me is that they jut out from the ears alot so wouldn't make a good headphone to sleep in, but i'm a madman who sleeps in over-ear headphones with side mics every single night.

But if i'm spending the money on the maxwells, i can probably find a cheap but still good small wired headphone to sleep in.

[jade scaffold]

I used to love sleeping in over ears but I have LCD2s now and they are far too dumpy thicc to sleep in

[pearl moon]

I legit want a pair with the form factor of the PC38x, no side mic, and closed back.

That would be my sleep headphone of choice

[jade scaffold]

Yea

What about some of the lil mezes

I think it's meze I'm thinking of it might not be

Wait no it's grado I'm thinking of they have some really really nice on ears probs great to sleep in

[pearl moon]

On ear would be absolutely awful to sleep in. The point is to put pressure around your ear, not on it.

Something slim and roughly ear-shaped if that makes sense.

[jade scaffold]

If I roll over with over ears on they'll almost always come off was the issue I found and they'ed like catch on my ear if you get what I mean if that didn't happen or like I didn't mind it I would wear over ears while I sleep but honestly I just put ear buds in though I'm.not a huge fan of earbuds tbh they irritate my ears after a while

[pearl moon]

Ear buds/IEMs have a much higher chance of hearing damage, and otherwise irritation yes. One of the other qualities of this headset that i like is that it basically tucks your ear inside and a little behind the pad, such that if you pulled it straight off your ear, it would push the ear forward if that makes sense.

This illustrates my point

[surreal moss]

Ignore the nut?

[pearl moon]

The nut is there to show that there is a cavity back there for your ear to slot into

[jade scaffold]

Being an item or earbud alone doesn't make it have a higher chance if hearing damage. Blasting your ear at 120db is what does that

[pearl moon]

It's more when it gets forced way to deep into your ear canal that causes said hearing damage.

[jade scaffold]

yea that too

not as much of an issue with alot of modern ear buds as they are fucking massive and use your actual outer ear to hold them selfs

also i need to stop looking at audezes website

[waxen zodiac]

Ok I have a small PC problem my main storage it 100% full should I get a bigger storage unit or what??

[surreal moss]

It’s a desktop pc? Nothing special about it? You can get to the inside?

[waxen zodiac]

Yes is a tower

[mossy gull]

Get a 2nd bigger SSD and clean up some junk in Windows.
Wind has something called Storage Sense and it can somewhat help to clean up junk

[surreal moss]

If you’re comfortable with hardware and make sure you have the connections available you can get another drive to install and use for storage.

How big is your current drive?

[waxen zodiac]

I have one that’s 222GB and one that’s 913GB

[surreal moss]

You could go through and try to find stuff you don’t want/need to keep

[mossy gull]

2TB SSDs tvese days are around 100.-, sometimes even less

[cinder lagoon]

But i would advise cleaning up first - it's probable that there's some program or whatever effectively zip-bombing the system

[jade scaffold]

Found yet another game which crashes my entire PC

Star field

still no idea why its minecraft and star field that do it and none of my more demanding games do it but they do

[cinder lagoon]

I've recently discovered that my graphics driver being so unstable had to do with the fact that for some reason Afterburner had the Core clock slider on max without any more power budget... I don't recall setting it to that! Sooo maybe look at this. It also started with minecraft for me and progressively affected more games

[jade scaffold]

Nope not the issue

I monitor my clock speeds and offsets at pretty much all times

[mossy gull]

Have you tried to DDU?

[jade scaffold]

Yes

Something's causing my PSU to trip when I play MC or star field neither game of which is all that demanding

[mossy gull]

Have you checked your CPU?

[jade scaffold]

Yep everything seems normal CPU end

[mossy gull]

Have you tried to undervolt it slightly?

[cinder lagoon]

Are you sure that this statement is true?
Are you sure you did not mean to say "neither of which is even close to optimized"?

[jade scaffold]

Star field runs fine

People complaining about its performance are the same people mad they can't run cyberpunk 2077 at absolutely cranked settings with no upscaling at 4k

[surreal moss]

If it’s tripping your psu then it’s not fine, though?

[jade scaffold]

At native 1440p ultrawide max settings on my 3090 it sticks around 60 which is fine

And Minecraft frame capped to 30 FPS also trips my PSU

[mossy gull]

It sounds to me like something with your CPU, I would test it by slight undervolt or slight overvolt.

[jade scaffold]

Why would that knock out my PSU tho

CPU instability only ever knocks out the system almost never the PSU

[sonic meadow]

(feels like we've been over this before...) How do you know its your PSU being tripped?

[jade scaffold]

It's kncoking out 2 computers

Is how I know

[sonic meadow]

sounds like your psu is dead then

well, dying

[jade scaffold]

Only in MC and star field tho

Why nothing else that's more demanding

[sonic meadow]

load is weird

[jade scaffold]

So I can fully load every processor in my system at the same time to the max it'll go for over an hour streight

But loading MC up capped at 30fps pulling nearly 30w is a bridge too far

It's such a weird issue

[sonic meadow]

load can be really weird, especially with modern hardware and their dynamic clock and voltage control. lower load tends to mean higher voltage for instance

[jade scaffold]

Which still shouldn't be tripping the PSU

[sonic meadow]

its about load characteristics. but youve narrowed it down to the psu, yet dont seem to think said psu is the problem?

[jade scaffold]

Because only 2 games cause it

[sonic meadow]

well its either the games or the psu then

[jade scaffold]

It pretty much has to be the games but that doesn't tell me what's causing it or how to fix it

[sonic meadow]

have you tried a different psu

[jade scaffold]

I don't have a different PSU that can load the system in the same way

[sonic meadow]

but you said it was a low load from the games?

[jade scaffold]

Do you know how high transience spikes on start up

A low end 500w PSU isn't going to eat a 700w spike

[sonic meadow]

you said 30w

[jade scaffold]

On start up

When you start your pc you get a really big power spike typically

[sonic meadow]

why would you say that?

[mossy gull]

A game can cause a component to spike.

[jade scaffold]

Yea it can

[mossy gull]

And both Minecraft and Starfield are CPU heavy.
So that's why I think the CPU causes the PSU or something else to trip

[jade scaffold]

neither MC nor star field are CPU heavy

single thread heavy pretty much

star field has yet to load the CPU past 30% and minecraft is much the same

and i dont think its physically possible for a 5800x to experience a voltage spike to overwhelm a high end PSU without itself suffering fatal damage

[sonic meadow]

single threaded stuff load one core higher than any of them can go when loaded together.
again, sounds like your psu is fucked

[jade scaffold]

yea but it doesnt tho

[sonic meadow]

try the other psu and see if it works/doesnt

[jade scaffold]

because if thats the case Space Engineers GMod GTA and the likes will experince the exact same issue and none of them do

[jade scaffold]

i literally cannot

it doesnt even have the needed connectors needed to run this computer

[balmy flicker]

what kind of Minecraft?

bedrock, java, modded, tech pack?

also reading on the forums I learned what was causing the momentary hang I would get on ocation I have a 7x1 automated cobble generator and they are super laggy in that version of MC I should use one of the mods to miniaturize it but I am to lazy the lag drops only realy happen when it is running

[jade scaffold]

in minecraft it was java happened both vanilla optifine and modded

[balmy flicker]

hmm

[jade scaffold]

even weirder is its not totally consistent when it happens it is only in these 2 games sofar but otherwise seems to happen totally randomly while playing them

i have a friend who has a higher end version of my PSU and ive asked him if i can borrow it for testing maybe i am somehow completely slamming through its limits

[balmy flicker]

IDK I had a start up issue that was super intermittent with a PSU that is almost 8x what I need but I have not had the issue since I

• A started holding the power buton slightly longer
• B changed where a lightspeed tm transmitter was on my system

[jade scaffold]

im watchin JaysTwoCents mess arround with star field in this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gePGJ8LrkwM&ab_channel=JayzTwoCents
and uhhh somthings wrong with that 3080ti or with NVidias Drivers or With Starfield itself because my 3090 is outperforming that far far more than the nearly none existence hardware difference between the 3080ti and 3090 would otherwise suggest it should and im still CPU bottlenecked

also being able to mod DLSS into pretty much anything now is really cool

[pearl moon]

I am dealing with seemingly similar issues, and it's 100% an overpower protection tripping issue for me, it did not come up in any benchmarks or artificial stress tests, even at max power limit and nvidia auto oc, yet the Baldur's Gate 3 character creation screen is causing more power draw than the benchmarks and shutting my system down. I ended up going fron 113% all the way down to 80% power limit setting and no OC to get the 3080 12gb to run on my 750w psu. No blue screen, no nothing, just loss of power to the whole system. In my case I definitely need a new psu if i'm gonna push my gpu past like 350w (factory is 375w, which is 50w higher than the other mfg's cards because EVGA are madlads)

[jade scaffold]

I'm on a 1000w PSU

Gonna try a 1200w variant if it see if that helps

[pearl moon]

What are your cpu and gpu?

[jade scaffold]

5800x and 3090

[pearl moon]

Interesting, that should be fine even with overvolting

[jade scaffold]

The 1200w version should put me 400w below the limit of the power supply at max power draw

[pearl moon]

But transient spikes can cause strange things

[jade scaffold]

Yea but the capacitors in this PSU should be big enough to sustain enormous transient spikes

[pearl moon]

Trying a 1200w should definitely tell you if it's a power issue.

[pearl moon]

Idk, could just be overpower protection tripping when it sees the transient spike

All i know is in my situation, turning down the power limit of my gpu helped me

[jade scaffold]

Yea

[pearl moon]

I definitely want a 1000w sooner rather than later, as i'm sure banging against the max wattage of the psu is not gonna make it last long.

[jade scaffold]

It's fine this things got a warranty of 12 years

So I have plenty of time to send it back

[pearl moon]

Yeah that's my issue, i have a 10yr warranty, but that doesn't help when my issue is the psu doesn't have the wattage i need anymore.

I wish i had gotten a 1000w when i bought the pc, but they were $250 then, and only $180 now.

When i spent like $80 on my 750w

Though the 750w made sense back then as i was on a 5600x and 2070 super

I still had plenty of headroom

But the massive jump to a 3080 12gb that i've seen pull 450w by itself if i let it means the psu isn't happy anymore.

Plus the 5600x which on PBO is easily pushing past 120w

[jade scaffold]

My PSU should be pretty much perfect for what I need the max power consumption sits perfectly in the efficiency zone but clearly something is unhappy

[pearl moon]

Without PBO it's limited to 65w from the factory btw lmao

Yeah

I found that of all things Fan Control software was causing me to shutdown more often, probably due to it being set to run all fans at 100% rpm when under full cpu and gpu load, which i'm at most of the time.

[jade scaffold]

Maybe the caps in it have degraded in capacity or something but they still have enough power I can unplug it from the wall and the system will take a good second and a bit to loose power and shut off

Fans can pull alot if power

Especially if you have alot of them

I got 9 fans 2 pumps

[pearl moon]

In total there are 9 fans. 3 normal and 1 slim case fan, 1 normal and one slim cpu fan, and the 3 gpu fans.

[jade scaffold]

A possible cause could be the GPU experiencing multiple transient spikes in a relatively short time period and the capacitors not recharging fast enough to keep up which could explain why it happens randomly rather than very soon after opening something

[pearl moon]

Yeah, for me, with the BG3 character creator it was within 30 sec every time. DCS VR would take minutes sometimes.

Frankly though, atleast in DCS VR, 80% power limit is still giving me the same performance as 100% does.

[jade scaffold]

If I use 2 psus that are of the same line but ones just a higher wattage version of the other I shouldn't have to replace cables right

Going from revolt x 1000w to the revolt x 1200w

[pearl moon]

Uh, maybe? If the cables look the same i'd say probably, but don't quote me on that. Typically, it's recommended not to mix psu cables.

I'd use the cables that came with the 1200w

[jade scaffold]

Yea the pinnouts can be different

[pearl moon]

Just to be on the safe side

But it's not my pc

[sonic meadow]

triple check the pinout matches between the two (or find other people who say positively confirm they are the same)

[jade scaffold]

I'm trying to find technical documents of it

But I'm in work

[sonic meadow]

I dont know if phanteks psu cabling is as well documented as say... Corsair

[jade scaffold]

Also not many people run the revolt x so I really need to find some technical documents

[jade scaffold]

They aren't phsnteks psus

They are seasonic ones

[pearl moon]

As in salt or?

Lmao

[sonic meadow]

doesnt matter, its the one that packages them that determines the wiring

[jade scaffold]

With the phanteks logo slapped on them

[pearl moon]

The only thing i know about psu brands is corsair is the one everyone seemingly goes with, and that i'm going EVGA for my next PSU.

If i have to singlehandedly keep EVGA in business, so be it.

[jade scaffold]

XD

[pearl moon]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[sonic meadow]

I was running a 650w Antec unit for... close on fifteen years probably 😆

bought it in 2007, replaced it... last year or the year before

[jade scaffold]

I only really trust seasonic psus for my personal builds but most main brand psus are not fire hazards so as long as it's reasonably modern and a known name brand it's usually fine

[sonic meadow]

I look at one of the big PSU tier lists and then ignore it and get corsair rm/hx stuff usually 😆
the last coolermaster unit I got died, and then its replacement died too. the second time I just asked for cash back instead

[pearl moon]

EVGA honored an RMA on a sound card they stopped producing 2 years prior when i emailed them about it literally the day the 1 year b-stock warranty expired on it.

[jade scaffold]

In the PSU teir list my PSU ranks in A teir which is good

[pearl moon]

And i like my EVGA 3080 12gb, they were the only 3080 mfg with the balls to give it a higher wattage limit than the FE cards.

[jade scaffold]

Me my bios mods and I

[pearl moon]

Oh, and they straight up made an unlocked bios and publicly released it themselves.

With a message of more or less "hey, we aren't responsible for the shenanigans you get up to with this bios, just make sure you post it so we can enjoy it with you"

[jade scaffold]

NVidias all got leaked so you can borderline do what ever you like to them evga are super based tho really wish they went and made gpus with someone else

[pearl moon]

I'm still holding out hope

[jade scaffold]

Amds are open source by default aren't they?

[pearl moon]

Idk

[jade scaffold]

Yea most if their GPU department has vanished now though

[sonic meadow]

EVGA massively downsized their operations and product line after their departure from selling NVidia cards.

[jade scaffold]

I'm sure if they said we making gpus again and asked some to return they would

[pearl moon]

It'd be nice if they partner with Intel and give those cards the EVGA magic touch (aka a kick in the balls) they desparately need to become competitive.

[jade scaffold]

Yea evgas card design is pretty much unmatched

Their coolers aren't the best possible design but they are easy to take apart and water block

[pearl moon]

Afaik the 3080 12gb (the card i have) is the last gpu evga ever released, being released way after the rest of the 30 series.