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then why the hell did you get a 6900xt

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Because I use GPU compute

And because my 1080 would not do 4k 60 anymore

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what kind of compute

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Rendering

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AMD cards are ass at compute

oh rendering right

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Uhh, no?

AMD cards tend to be better at compute

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yea like 3 generations ago they were

Vega was better than Pascal at Compute

because Vega had dedicated Compute units which NVidia only had on their super high end Server/Workstation cards which were absurdly expensive

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Yes, the type of compute matters. Nvidia deffinatly has an advantage in certain areas with its RT and tensor cores

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but if your rendering none raytraced stuffs then the 6900xt is fine

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Its raytraced, but it does not leverage the RT cores on Nvidia

Well some of it is raytraced

My job has me working un UE, so I am constantly compiling shaders and material and doing light bakes and whatnot.

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the 5800x honestly is a nogo for the 3090 and above and i regret getting one tbh the 5800x3D is both VASTLY superior in games most of the time hardly more expensive in alot of places and would allow potentially for an even more powerful GPU like a 4080 to be installed

even if their monitor does only support 60fps having higher more consistent frame times will make the experience much better and actually getting the Performance you paid for is a nice benefit too especially when games start to get harder to run

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Ideally I would have gone Nvidia, but I got this card at a bargain and the extra Vram is nice.

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yea

I went NVidia because i like their software and i do like to mess with alot of their extra features

also because i got a 3090 in scalper times for Half MSRP

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The 5800x3d is 15-20% faster for 50% more. Given the lower end board that it will likely be placed on and the likely cooler upgrade and the fact that the extra performance is not going to be leveraged (very few games get less then 120FPS with a 5800x) I would say the 5800x is the better choice for this specific case

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but honestly i'd allways recomend AMD at this point to people who dont care about thoes extra features AMDs GPU drivers no longer tend to be completly Unuseable on release and they are far cheaper for still very good performance

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i have a 5800x and im severly CPU limited in alot of AAA Games

even when settings are cranked far above what is reasonable to crank settings

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Yes, but are you framerate limited?

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High vs Very high in Games is an unnoticeable difference unless you know what you are looking for and you get half the FPS for doing so

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Doing 200FPS on a 60 hz display is not all that useful

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Average FPS is meaningless

you want your minimum frame rates above your monitor refresh rate for a smooth experience

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Ok, that is fair. We are talking a 20% performance delta here including 1% lows. Games would have to be running at about 80FPS for that to matter

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if you have a 60hz monitor without GSync or freeSync you'll not want your FPS to dip below 60 ever ideally

its more like anywhere from 0-35%

it really does depend on the game

games that suffer from poor memory management will see far greater improvements than ones with good memory management

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The most I have ever seen a 5800x3d beat a 5800x is 25%

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ive seen 35 in the odd game thats an edge case mind you

but the 5800x 3D is typically actually better than Ryzen 7000 or atleast matches it most of the time

and like i said

would allow for a better upgrade path

on a 5800x upgrading from a 3090 to a 4090 would yeild you pretty minimal performance improvements unless your 3090 is like 4-5 years old and games are now again really hard to run

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Games have not really become that much harder to run in the last several years. 6th gen intel i5s are still fairly viable

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CPU wise no not really

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long in the tooth for sure, but for 60 fps gaming they suffice

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pretty much because modern games have basic ass physics

CPU loads dont go that high most of the time

but then you get games like Metro and Cyberpunk and thoes do actually require high quad core and in the case of cyber punk even above that to run some games

modern GPUs are also monstrously powerfull

with actual generational improvements being enormous in GPUs

far outscaling what CPUs can do

3D VCache in alot of scenarios is helping CPUs keep up with GPUs though which is good

because when the 3090 release literally nothing was powefull enough that you could effectively pair with it

4090 is much the same the 4090 is a Colossal jump over the previous gen

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High refresh 4k would disagree with you. Plenty of games cap out well before 144fps at 4k

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plenty of games do at 21:9 1440p too

i am CPU limited out the ass by this 5800x

in areas of games where the CPU isnt for what ever reason doing as much my framerates jump really high but in other areas where the CPU is doing more work on other things my frame rate isnt actually all that high atall

and my GPU is limited to 85-90% depending on whats going on

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When I say games cap out, I mean that they run fine at those frame rates when at a lower res

Basically every game benchmark I look at will have the 3090 do 1440 144 just fine, but it wont hit 4k 144

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no it wont its not fast enough for that

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZC17ZtDmNU&ab_channel=Jarrod'sTech

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also where are you getting the 5800x3D being 1.5x the price of the 5800x from

maybe its MSRP launch price

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PCer?

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but in the UK and US the difference between them is bearly 1.3x

maybe in Europe 5800x3Ds are really expensive or 5800xs are really cheap or somthing

honestly you shouldnt buy a 5800x anyway

total waste of money really

5700g exsists

and is all of 30seconds of fucking with bios settings away from being as fast or faster than a stock 5800x

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We are talking 400 series board bioses here. They don't always play nice with the newer parts

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it depends on the specific board

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Yes it does

Probably should have asked which board specifically

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the majority are fine tho with a quick bios update

tho you might loose support for Older Ryzen CPUs if you do update the bios to support newer ones

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500 series boards, yes. 400 series boards are a bit more of a cluster

According to PCer 5800x3d is 325 and a 5800x is 225. 1.45x difference, so my napkin math was a bit off

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PCer is very wrong then

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thats USD

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whats going on in the US then now

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Well both parts are currently on sale

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because my friend got one for 280 in the US

brand new i think from either newegg or amazon

at the time the 5800x was aparently 230

which is only 50usd cheaper

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According to PCers price history the lowest the 5800x3d ever was was 308

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i think PCer might be having a stroke then

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That or it was some sort of special sale that pcer didn't log

That happens from time to time

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oh yea it deffos is just checked the UK version of PCer and its listing the cheapest 5800x3D at a price well above what they are actually going for

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I clicked through to the vendors in the US, prices are accurate

And that is in line with what I have been seeing historically

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in the UK its listing the 5800x3D at £310 in the uk

which is blatantly false

its currently 285

and has been for the past few months

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Yea, PCer shits itself sometimes, but if you click through to the vendor you get the proper prices

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yea the US prices are really high compared to what i was told they were

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Okay, to clear this, the 2nd gen Zen CPUs are capable of feeding the 6900XT and 3090 in some cases, but to reach max performance you need a faster CPU.
Keep in mind everything your GPU does, your CPU does as well in a much much lighter form.

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That I would agree with. You are not going to fully saturate a 6900xt with a 2nd gen part outside some extreme edge cases.

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like in a scenario where you are just doing a render the CPU doesnt really need to be THAT powerfull as long as it can feed data to the GPU adequately. but in a scenario where the CPU is also very much being bogged down by doing other shit and especially so if a game isnt using all the cores of the CPU you'll ideally want somthing better to keep up

in a game like GTA where the core useage is low a 3300x would be far better for performance than a 2700x

still kinda sad AMD havent been making Low end Ryzen 3 parts

i think i high TDP Ryzen 3 with a cracked out GPU in it would be awesome

i really want to see a Insane SOC from an X86 manufacture we got some pretty crazy SOCs from ARM manufacture like Nvidias Jetson Orins

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They sell a lot less though

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true

but they are still IMO an important part of the low end market that should be supported

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I'm guessing there are not a lot of 8 core dies with more then 2 defective cores

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yea thats true

but honestly that means 6 cores should really take the Place of 4 core CPUs at this point

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And neutering an otherwise good 6 core to be a quad core does not make much business sense if they are still selling the six core parts

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2 core CPUs have already been pretty much totally phased out of the main line of processor brands

they pretty much died with intel 8th gen 2 core cpus that is

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AMD made some zen dual cores if I recall

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though i think theres some market potential in Crazy powerfull SOC Processors

Zen 2 Dual core

it was an atholon

and didnt sell very well

the 3300x tho did sell very well but amd hardly produced any so no-one could get their hands on them

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Zen 2 they were making both quad core and 8 core dies, right?

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i think they were all 8 core dies

but lower end chips got the ones with dead or less than optimal cores

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Sometimes for the lower end they have to make entire new dies because of this.
Chip manufacturing becomes more and more reliable, decreasing the chance for defects all together.

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yup

which there for means as they arent making Ryzen 3s because they are getting too good at making processors they should just downgrade Ryzen 5s to ryzen 3s and just shift the entire stack downwards i want my 10 core CCD

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I want my Entry level Threadripper 8000 series

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probs not getting that till Intel decided Workstations are a thing that are needed again

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They are actually already building the Threadripper 8000 series I believe

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most of the reason people needed workstations was for high core counts
but now that 8 cores isnt considered really High end anymore and 16 Core CPUs are a Consumer thing as well workstations main appeal has kinda eaten shit and died
sure you can do ECC and more PCIE Lanes but like that was never origionally the main appeal

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yea and you arent getting an entery level Threadripper

you arent getting a next gen equivilent of the 1920x

the 1920x and 1950x have been killed by the Consmer ryzen 9s

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Entry level can be 24 cores or 32 cores though.
I don't mind either

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yea and thats gonna come out to cost you 2k

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Good enough

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you arent getting a nice workstation processor thats reasonably priced because they A have no competition and B the Ryzen 9s fill that

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As long it's cheaper than a RTX 4090

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LMAO

its not going to be

for the CPU the RAM and the Mobo for a ryzen 8000 threadripper its gonna be atleast 3k

honestly i'd recommend getting a Second hand EPYC

ryzen 8000 will be about the time all the SP3 EPYCs are going to probably be swapped out for SP5 ones

which gets you more features probably than a ryzen 8000 threadripper would and while maybe less performance you might get them at a reasonable price

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I doubt it, the gap between the R9 8950X3D en de entry-level Threadripper 8000 series shouldnt be too big, or else you get a Xeon effect or Threadripper Pro effect where nobody is gonna buy it and go straight to server CPUs

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yea which is exactly what they want

the server CPUs offer more features at a higher price but at no cost to AMD

they would rather you buy a server CPU than a Threadripper

and AMD seem pretty comfortable atm charging a small fortune for the Threadripper Pros

also server CPUs are just objectivly a better choice

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I doubt it.
Then the gap between it is way way too big.
you go from an 800.- CPU straight to 6K,- or more.
Threadripper is a nice middle-ground for the semi-pros that also want to do some gaming.
For me Threadripper always been a nice looking CPU, then I can dedicate CPU cores to a VM instead of sharing cores like I have to with the 7950X3D, but Threadripper Pro here is so expensive that the Entry-level Epyc becomes more "attractive", which is bad.

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AMD will support the threadripper for 2 gens

then ditch the socket for a new one

where as the server CPUs will last like 4-5 gens

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except for threadrippers not really a nice middle ground anymore

do you even comprehend how insanely fast a 7950x is

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They can make it to be it again though.

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yea but why

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Can you comprehend if you have to run 4 VMs at the same time.
Where 1 can hinder the other if you share cores.
Which I dont want.

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the only reason 1st and second gen thread ripper were priced as they were were because they were just inferior to intels and they needed some of that market share

once they had it 3rd gen got WAY more expensive

then 3rd gen pro got even more expensive

then 5th gen Pro was EVEN more expensive

because the consumers that bought 1st and second gen managed just fine on Ryzen 9s

and threadrippers became a thing movie studios used

and as such died their use as consumer friendly HEDT processors

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I want to run a gaming PC, render server, NAS and just a general basic use PC off the server I want to build.
16 cores is far from enough, but if for example the render server needs all the power it will take it, leaving nothing for the rest, that's why I want 24 cores or more.

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so unless intel release somthing for dirt cheap that for the price is just an amazing value compared to what 8000 Threadripper will be
you arent getting 8000 threadripper for a reasonable price
not to mention having to use DDR5 which is still super pricy

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what one edge case wants doesnt mater to AMD you know

they will make more money ignoring what you want

and you can blame intel for that untill intel in the area of HEDT Decide to release somthing actually really good value that consumers and prosumers can afford you just arent getting a 24 core CPU on the cheap

honestly the last gen of SP3 EPYC should be more than enough for what you want to do

and will probably soon become enormously cheaper than threadrippers

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The advantage of the Threadrippers is that the core speed is somewhere in between the Epyc and Ryzen.

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and even that doesnt really hold true anymore

boost algorithms for EPYC and any Zen based CPU for that matter are all REALLY good

if you keep it cool it will boost really high

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Also, I can't get 123 an Epyc CPU, nor a cooler that fits 123 that doesnt sound like a jet engine.

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yea you can

SP3 and all the current threadrippers use identically shaped sockets with identical mounting holes in most cases

if you can put it on a threadripper it'll probably go on an EPYC too and vice versa

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All boards I can find support either Threadripper Pro or Epyc, which either are very hard to get in my country

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thats cool and all but normal threadripper isnt gonna be any easier

is your country an EU country?

like as in a part of the European Union

If so

EBay

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Netherlands, but keep in mind, Majority of EU countries ask for a credit card, which I can't get because I don't earn enough money

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i have yet for an order from a EU country been asked for Credit card details when buying somthing off Ebay

and i buy like everything off of ebay

Brand new parts are cringe

Second hand till the end of time

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I get asked for a credit card all the time.
NL uses IBAN codes, which nobody seem to use anymore

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Especially server parts

right

but if you cant get threadripper Pros

or Epycs where you are

you arent going to be able to get Ryzen 8000 threadripper either

also keep in mind the only things that exsist as far as threadripper is concerned is the Pro varients

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I can get Threadripper Pro from Lenovo and Dell, but I can't get Epyc anywhere

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they dont make the none pro varients

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Says you
https://www.alternate.nl/AMD/Ryzen-Threadripper-PRO-5965WX-3-8-GHz-(4-5-GHz-Turbo-Boost)-socket-sWRX8-processor/html/product/1850959

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yea probably because no one lives in the Netherlands really not exactly a place you'd want to put a Data Centre

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2.65k lmao

holy shit

you arent getting an 8000 threadripper for less than that

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For a lot of server stuff we need a KvK number and company, I don't have either because I dont want to bankrupt myself.

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lord all mighty

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I am fine with it though.
At least they aint Xeon prices

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i can get that same CPU also Brand new for £1.6k

AMD must HATE the Netherlands

meanwhile im here with my 4GHz all core 20 core Xeon i got for £300

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Nope, we pay tax on tax😃

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GHz mean nothing to me, a 2Ghz brand new CPU is the same speed as a 4GHz older CPU

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CPU was lowkey the cheapest part of my server apart from the SSD

Intels IPC doesnt change all too much

its 8th gen intel

so faster per core than Ryzen 3000

not as fast as Ryzen 5000 tho

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Aka slow, that's how AMD kicked their asses

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not really slow no

you couldnt get another CPU for the same price thats anywhere near as fast

great for Game servers and VMs

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I also need per clock speeds, not just overall package speed

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Ryzen 3000 wasnt slow per core

you cant possibly be dumb enough to think that

for the stuff you are doing Ryzen 8000 would be overkill

and it'd literally be cheaper just to make 2 servers based off consumer CPUs

also would get you far more performance

and if you wanted to leverage the full power of both CPUs you still could
you could put them in a cluster so they can even work together

dual 7950Xs i think would be more than enough

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Yeah, 2 PCs, costing more electricity than 1.
I am also power constrained, that's why I want to build a server with multiple VMs, also the Xeon is 4+GHz on turbo, the Threadripper Pro is 4GHz non-turbo, which I plan on disabling to lower power consumption.
Nice and all but I am planning on using GPUs in it that bottleneck Ryzen 3000 series CPUs.

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thats not true atall

if you used 7950x3Ds then you are gonna pull vastly less power than any threadripper would

higher idle power draw maybe

but under load much less power draw

like a 100w less power draw probably minimum

threadrippers are anything but efficient and thats by design

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I have max 2KW max to use.
I already have a LG C1 65", Samsung Odyssey G5, and a laptop doing 250W on full power.
So lets say I have 1500w, tell me, how will I be able to run 2 PCs full power if ever need to?

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are you gonna have a 4090 in each one

if so your a dumbass for a start

but

if not

if thats really not the kinda performance you need

which it very much probably isnt

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I want to do rendering and gaming at the same time without actually putting my game settings on uber-low

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so get 2 seperate GPUs

NVidias Consumer GPUs dont even support being split up

theres some JANK and i mean JANK ways arround it

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But 2 separate PCs will blow the breaker.
Using 1 CPU and splitting it up will use less power than 2 CPUs.

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HOW

i have 2 seperate PCs on a 1000W PSU

i could literally throw another 3090 and 20 more SSDs in this if i had a 1500W PSU

then i would have 2 3090s

which is better than 1 4090

i have 28 cores

i can work with

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If I look at my little bro's PC, it already uses in the neighbourhood of 800+ watts.
And if I have 2 PCs that's more than I have to spare on power

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Not the only 1 on the same breaker, and each goes up to 3KW

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so is one PC with a big hungry Threadripper in it

it'll pull like 100w at idle

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2 PCs with 2 GPUs and 2 mid end CPUs will draw about the same amount of power as 1 PC with 2 GPUs and 1 high end CPU

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with all the boost stuff enabled itll pull like 300-400W

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Idle I dont mind, it's the max power usage I am concerned with

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THIS EXACTLY THIS

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Efficiency per compute is more or less the same

You are talking mabey 200 watt difference

Likely far lower

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my tower could have RN 28 core 20tb of storeage 2 whole ass 3090s or if i want to save on power and get near identical performance 2 4070s a max of 512gb of ram and still use less than 1.5kw of power

you point about but uhhhh power efficiency is meaningless

not to mention by design a 4090 is inefficient

the 3090 is only 10% or so faster than the 3080 right but still pulls 15% more power

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Okay, the problem for me mostly is max power consumption.
And having 2 CPUs that can both draw 165w instead of 1 CPU with max 280w, gives me less headroom having 2 PCs, not to mention the systems also take more space.

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it wouldnt even take more space

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2 3U cases vs 1 3U case?

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what about 2 2U Cases

its a little bit more space sure

but like

not alot

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Or 1 3 u case

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Are they thick enough for 2 GPUs these days?

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yea you can cram 2 whole ass PCs into 1 3U case

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water block them

cost literally isnt a concern to you

you want to burn money

may as well water cool them

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I don't really want to sandwich them

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Have you ever seen a 3U case?

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will make them more efficient anyway

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You can easily fit 2 itx boards in there

Might be able to cram 2 atx boards in there

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ITX boards don't have enough PCIe ports.
While a single Threadripper board has 7 PCIe ports

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What do you need that extra PCIe for?

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SSDs

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Ok, how many?

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you can fit 16TB in m.2 alone on ITX Boards

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Most modern ITX boards have 2 m.2, a 16x slot for GPU, and a spare 4x

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if you want some U.2 you could get a DTX board which gives you 2x 16x slots

which then gives you 60TB of U.2 + 16tb of m.2

this is providing the boards arent Asus boards and also have Dimm.2 which would raise your M.2 ammount to 32TB

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Most ITX boards I find have 2 NVMe ports and 1 16x slot.
That's like 4TB max per SSD, yeah that aint gonna work if I have to tell my family "Sorry, you get 4TB each".

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4tb max per SSD? what year is it 2019

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I ain't gonna pay 1K for a single 8TB SSD
4TB costs me like 250.-

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then dont get PCIE SSDs

or do get them

and only use them for things that need them

which does NOT include 95% of all games in exsistance

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SATA is just as expensive and is much much slower

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jesus christ your country is on crack

also how the actual FUCK can you afford a CPU for 2.6k a mobo for 1k 0.5k worth of ram

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4Tb Samsung QVO is like 280,-
4TB Crucial P3 is like 255,-

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and you are considered too poor for a Credit card

How does that work

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I have been saving up for like 3 years now

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yea so dont WASTE IT ON A THREADRIPPER

it'll cost you vastly more for very small savings long term because threadrippers have bad power management

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But a credit card is a no-go, if you can't leave the month with 1200.- you aint gonna get a credit card.

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just get an Epyc which has much better power managment making idle power draw much lower and in most cases load draw much lower

if you cant find one

work to get one

make that the priority
a threadripper is just a bad idea

when you could easilly get 2 7950 none xs which perform not that much worse than the X ones but only pull like 65w

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Lets hope Lenovo would be kind enough to sell me 1
So far Threadripper is much much easier to get if you aren't a company

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dont buy from big companys like lenovo

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Like I have much choice

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just make a lil company that doesnt do much

its not illigal to do

and its also nice to have when you want access to developer programs from companies like NVidia

or Oculus

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Yeah, but taxes go through the roof and they expect you to make a profit

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if it doesnt make proffit it cant be taxed

i mean you dont even have to make a company these kinda things arent checked you can just say you have a company and its name is X and it resides in Y location and they're just like ok then
you could actually probably just call Dell or Lenovo or SuperMicro and ask to buy server parts and they'd probably let you

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That's not how it works here sadly enough.
You have a company, which I 1st need a KvK for, for that I need a business degree which I don't have, then per month they expect me to make a small profit they can tax, if you don't you go bankrupt.

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maybe give Ampere a call if Efficiency is what you want

ultra high core count ARM CPU

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Yeah, I stay with X86 for now, I am not that good with programming

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then just make a low end X86 build for gaming

ARM is becoming a big thing in the desktop space

the Windows Compatibility Layer is now pretty much as good as Macs

and microsoft are just dumping money at making arm the next big thing in the desktop space

Intel are getting in on ARM

NVidia were already in on ARM

AMD are being goofy

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I preferably want a 24-core server, than the 2 base VMs have like 8 to 10 cores each, with the NAS and the other having the rest.
That was my plan

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for a NAS you dont need anything with performance

not unless you are doing enormous NVME Raid arrays

and i mean Enormous

also once again

NVidias Consumer GPUs cant be split into multiple Virtual GPUs

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I want 2 people to be able to rush at least 1GB/s simultaniously

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not in a way that actually works without breaking constantly and being Jank AF and requiring some programming

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yea a pentium could do that

like easilly

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Last i7-8650u got crushed with a single 1GB/s stream and basically lowered it to 500MB/s🤣

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????

my server and main pc do 10GBit between them without even the slightest bit of load

vanilla minecraft takes more performance than transfering data at 10GBit between them did

i actually need to fix that i broke it a bit a while back and i CBA to fix it

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Yeah, I have the worst possible experience with Intel.
Reasons I try to avoid them like a plague

[jade scaffold]

i like their Server stuff

like AMDs server stuff and Consumer stuff too

i avoid their GPUs tho

for 3 gens streight they were none functional at launch

[mossy gull]

I also had problems with Nvidia in the past, but the forced logging in is what drove me over to AMD entirely.

[jade scaffold]

yea but NVidias stuff has allways just worked for me

5700XT literally didnt work at launch

Vega Ran like ass at launch

6000 was ok at launch

but then they didnt update the drivers for it for 6 months

[mossy gull]

I use to Crossfire them and extended it's VRAM so I had 32GB😃

I skipped the RX5000 series, I now have a 6700XT, which runs amazing, crushes even a 3070 in 3440x1440 thanks to it's extra 4GB VRAM.

[jade scaffold]

yea 6000 is good

the 5700xt was amazing value too

but for the first 6 months it literally made my friend go back to a 1050ti

[mossy gull]

I had a GTX960 and GTX1060, both were nothing but trouble, you know, Linux and shite

[jade scaffold]

yea NVidia Hate Linux untill they dont

their professional and developer stuff works flawlessly with Linux

[mossy gull]

Sadly, I didn't have Quadro money at the time

[jade scaffold]

yea

i just got my lil jetston

which i still need to get a new carrier for

but that works amazingly with linux

never got to try windows on it tho

[mossy gull]

If Windows keep going the direction they're going then I permanently stick with Linux.
I absolutely hate the new start menu, I prefer my full-screen start that had everything I need at a glance

[jade scaffold]

just use custom modded versions of windows

makes windows able to run on like 2gb of RAM its beautiful

removes all of the bloat too

while still keeping all the lovely compatibility shit you need

also the ear pads i wanted for my headphones came back in stock

so im getting some new earpads soon for them which they really needed after 18 months of nonestop use

[mossy gull]

My W10 is mostly in W8.1 style
I love full-screen start menu

[jade scaffold]

i dont use the start menu

my windows scaleing is set really small

so i can fit like 800 things on the task bar

[mossy gull]

I have to reorder aka was too lazy after I reinstalled Windows, but you get the idea

[jade scaffold]

yea

you should get one of the modded light weigh windows installs

all that bloat stuff gets obliterated leaving you with only the necessities and what you want on it

[mossy gull]

I tend to stay with the legit versions of Windows, so if I ever need support I can get it easily without waiting for an answer for 10 years

Also illegally downloading Linux I think is dumb

[jade scaffold]

yea but you get all the nice to haves of windows

and when has microsoft support ever been good

[surreal moss]

It takes effort to find a distro of Linux that downloading is illegal

[jade scaffold]

honestly if somthing goes wrong with windows i just reinstall it

[barren juniper]

anyone use an a770 for star citizen? and if so, how is it?

[mossy gull]

In the Netherlands they give better support than most people🤯

[jade scaffold]

not many people will have an A770 but you might find some good online benchmarks just makesure they were done in the past month

because they released a new driver that like massivly improved performance

which currently i think makes it in alot of games the best price to performance GPU currently arround

[mossy gull]

Yeah, I kinda don't want to reassign my laptop each time with programs that have a 1 PC license

[mossy gull]

For DX12 and Vulkan games

[jade scaffold]

they released a massive patch giving older games a huge performance boost

[mossy gull]

Wait, when????

[jade scaffold]

april

[mossy gull]

Also, Reinstalling Windows and all the stuff I use is a 2 week job, because for some programs I can wait a week to unlock the license for a new PC

[jade scaffold]

this is DX12

[barren juniper]

that sounds like a huge pain

[mossy gull]

It's torture😃

[barren juniper]

also it seems like we have an end date to windows 10

[mossy gull]

When W12 is released yes

[jade scaffold]

me and all the stuff i 100% paied for being reinstalled within 30 mins of starting my new windows journey

im excited for windows 12 tbh

i like some of 11 and dislike some of it

[mossy gull]

Reinstalling is no issue, activating is

[jade scaffold]

the new Core Scheduler of W11 is awesome

[barren juniper]

yeah the only time ive had to completely reinstall windows is when a family member had geek squad or whatever it was and it wouldnt let me turn off their antivirus and turn on windows defender

[mossy gull]

Windows 11, the taskbar curse on stacked display set-ups

[jade scaffold]

i prefer the centre positioned task bar icons

though i would like there to be an option for people who prefer otherwise

or dont have ultrawides

honestly more customisation options for the look genrally

you should be able to just make skins for W11 like its a minecraft resource pack i think that would be really cool and really wouldnt be too hard to impliment as a feature

[mossy gull]

I use to have 2 G5 stacked, 1 was given away because no the G5 is on top and the C1 at the bottom.
But W11 forbit moving the taskbar to the top or sides

So in W11 I have a taskbar, in the middle of my real-estate

[barren juniper]

yeah i dunno, most of my monitors i found at the dump

[mossy gull]

If I find a monitor at the dumb I make a light panel out of it

[jade scaffold]

i just got a cheapish ultrawide

love ultrawides

[barren juniper]

other than my 80cm 1440p LG monitor that i paid like 200$ for

[jade scaffold]

take up less space than 2 monitors

but still give you all the productivity advantages of 2 monitors

[mossy gull]

A Super Ultra-wide(32:9) or Ultra-Wide(21:9)?

[jade scaffold]

Ultrawide

[barren juniper]

actually everything i have tech wise but that monitor and my main laptop and my rx 6700xt was found at the dump or given to me for free

[jade scaffold]

21:9

all my stuff is from EBay mostly

i am the lord of all things second hand

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: 21:9 are 2 4:3 😃

[barren juniper]

actually pretty much everything i own was found at the dump or given to me

[jade scaffold]

yea near enough

[mossy gull]

I don't really like 2nd hand, I like my warranty period of 2 to 4 years

[barren juniper]

i thought it was like 64:21 or something like that

[barren juniper]

i find that most warranties these days are worthless

[jade scaffold]

you still get warentee second hand

depends where you buy from

who you buy from

[mossy gull]

People here dont get receipts, they get emails

[jade scaffold]

my SSDs still have warrentee

dont need receipts

all you need is the item itself

you do not need to prove that you bought the item

[surreal moss]

A warranty can help with peace of mind but if you can easily source second hand items then that’s just as good

[barren juniper]

depends on where you live

[jade scaffold]

only that you own it

[mossy gull]

Here they ask if you are this person(1st owner)

[jade scaffold]

Asus have no way of knowing who buys their graphics cards unless they are bought directly from Asus

[mossy gull]

Welcome to the country of registering everything no matter how useless

[jade scaffold]

they still wouldnt know

that kind of data sharing is illigal in the EU

without explicit permission like actual written obvious yes you can share this data

a company cannot go to asus and say X person bought X item from X store

as long as a company cares enough to replace it they can replace it for anyone

Warrentees also arent legally binding in any way atall

i can offer a 100 year warrentee on somthing and the item can literally break a day after someone gets it and i dont have to replace it

unless the warrentee is an external paid for service

in which case i would

[mossy gull]

They just ask if you're the original owner, and if you aren't they ask for a receipt.
You see we have Store Warranty and/or Manufacturer Warranty.
Shop Warranty is the most painful, and a lot of shops have it.
Manufacturer warranty is nicer to have, 1 week replacements, that's why I rather other from companies like Lenovo, AMD, LG etc. directly.
Shop Warranty they want to verify your identity and card number, if 1 or more don't match you basically have no warranty.

[jade scaffold]

then you say yes but sadly i've lost the email account it was bought on
companies like Asus will replace GPUs far outside of their warrentee date if they so much as make coil whine

[mossy gull]

Some shops silently offer both warranties, giving you 2 year shop and then 2 year manufacturer warranty

[mossy gull]

Sadly, I don't have the other person's card number

[jade scaffold]

got a new card has a different number as i changed back accounts

anyway

i could have bought 2 3090s for the price of 1MSRP one

so like i was far beyond giving any shits about warrentee

if it blows up and dies oh no

Buys another

also undervolting GPUs and CPUs Voids their Warrentee anyway

so you better not be locking down thoes power limits

[jade scaffold]

also got more Fabric like earpads as ive never had ones like these before and i wanted to try them

[mossy gull]

Funny enough here they don't

[jade scaffold]

thats not down to your country

thats down to intel AMD and NVidia

and their rules i assure you are quite universal

only the manufacture tho would be able to tell if a processor was overclocked what ever tho

so if a store asks

you just say no i didnt overclock it

and they have no way of checking

[mossy gull]

Here if they advertise overclocking, then void warranty because you do so, it's against the law here

[jade scaffold]

which is precisely why they dont advertise overclocking

theres a difference between endorsing somthing and somthing being a feature

if i say you shouldnt do this as it could harm the product and you may do so at your own risk then i havent advertised overclocking

its been listed as a feature that strictly tells you not to do

then tells you that if you do do it it will void your warentee

which is the legal way arround it

also Warrentees again are not legally binding unless offered as an external service anywhere in the world

warrentees are more good faith agreements between Users and a company saying if this breaks while in normal use for a reason out of consumer control we will replace it as thats our bad

you break it tho through actions you are advised against then thats Your fault and your responsibility

its like jumping infront of a train why should a train driver be blamed or held responsible for that death its nothing to do with them

[mossy gull]

Usually here they still will replace it as long it isn't like a heavy overclock.
Or else you can void the warranty of many AMD CPUs because they can turbo as high as the thermals and power limit allows them.

[jade scaffold]

nope

it really just depends on a companys good will

usually they want to protect their reputation enough to replace stuff for you

or if its a really good company they'll just replace it because they are a good company Like Noctua

i love Noctua

ugly brown fans and all

[mossy gull]

Tell that to the many companies that tried to void warranty because their own mistakes.
Damn they came on TV in a not so nice way.

[jade scaffold]

yea

some companies are just dicks

and will fight you not to replace things

but most will say whoops our bad and replace stuff for you

[mossy gull]

Sounds like MSI and Gigabyte here.
You have to drag them almost in front of the TV before they will replace it instead of "repairing" it.

1 reason I like Dell, Lenovo, Asus and Microsoft here.
If something breaks and falls under warranty, they simply replace it no questions asked, you get a new component/device.
This is why I love buying at them

Yes, even Dell, the company that everyone seems to hate

[mossy gull]

Usually it's better than "repair" and damage control

[jade scaffold]

yea but if dell sell you a CPU its a pree bricked CPU

and it'll be locked to only their mobos

they especially do this with threadrippers and EPYCs

which is just fucking shitty

but they have also been known on occasion to do it to normal Ryzen CPUs

[mossy gull]

Lenovo should be the same.
But my little brother has an 5900X out of a Lenovo workstation that is now on an Strix B550 and works flawlessly.

[mossy gull]

Not if you only buy the CPU

[jade scaffold]

nope even if you only buy the CPU its like 50-50 weather or not its locked to one of their mobos

its a stupid feature AMD shouldnt have included

i dont even see the benifit to having such a feature

[mossy gull]

It's a security feature so you can't steal data of a CPU.

[jade scaffold]

except for its not

CPUs dont store data on them other than the hardwritten data on them

and that hardwritten data is pretty much misc data about the CPU

hard locking a CPU to a mobo is literally just done to make people not want to upgrade their systems and to prevent people migrating a CPU from a second hand dell system to their nicer desktop system

its literally just for the purposes of being a dick

[mossy gull]

A while back they explained it to me, but I am too tired to think

[jade scaffold]

it has 1 extremely minor secutity benefit which can be totally mitigated anyway with the kind of access you would need to abuse the original issue regardless

and said security issue is also totally mitigated by TPMs anyway theres legitimatly no need to lock the CPUs to mobo brands despite what lenovo or dell may claim

[amber fable]

It is a feature big companies want to mitigate supply chain attacks.

It isn't a feature Lenovo or Dell pushed for, but rather some of their large enterprise customers wanted it.

Activating it for other customers... Well, who knows exactly why they did it. Save money by shipping one config? Screwing the secondary market? Both?

[jade scaffold]

its literally just to prevent people cannibalising old systems and selling them off cant use a Dell mobo with a normal CPU because it'll then lock that CPU to Dell mobos cant use the CPU out of it because its locked to dells wank mobos

meanwhile chad super micro allowing you to do what ever the fuck you want with servers from them cannibalise them sell them off upgrade what ever

[cerulean helm]

Whoa, so anyone using Ubiquiti's UDM or UDM Pro the newest OS allows for blocking domains that push ads. Meaning no more adblock browser extensions.

[jade scaffold]

thats awesome

[pearl moon]

I need to figure out how to whitelist google search sponsored links in ublock

Cause i hate the thing i need being a sponsored link, and it getting blocked

[mossy gull]

I have a UDM SE.
And a lot of ads are intrusive as hell, even my UDM tends to block connections just because some intrusive ad.

[ionic tusk]

They can’t just blame asus lol is what I mean and we do not know if amd fix actually fixed the issue

Hopefully they didn’t put something out not completed to die things down still gotta wait to see the patch over time to see if it works

Don’t know if route cause is actually fixed by the patch

[cinder lagoon]

Dns blocking works alot worse than Adblock browser extensions.
If you whitelist the sponsored rerouting URLs, you automatically pretty much whitelist all google adsense URLs.
DNS (host file) adblocking is just an addition to your toolkit, not a replacement. It comes with multiple downsides but also multiple upsides, like the fact that it's not browser-bound.

[cinder lagoon]

We can because they use an advanced voltage regulator on their board but do not use its capabilities to prevent such catastrophic board failure.
There are about 3 separate issue and asus' firmware is one of them.
The CPUs melting is something else. Voltage "lockdown" is a very broad band-aid solution but it is very limiting.

[cerulean helm]

I wanted the UDM SE but it had just launched and was out of stock when I was building my network so I settled with the UDM Pro and used a SPIDF to RJ45 converter to my modem.

And I now have the newest OS on my UDM Pro and can confirm ads are blocked. My browser extensions are turned off and I have no ads.

[mossy gull]

I have the SE because of PoE.
I have like 4 network switches which are directly powered by the modem.

[cinder lagoon]

two interesting, yet unexpected changes to discord:

[mossy gull]

Once again, they didn't think of the loudest of the minority, the mutes under us.

[cinder lagoon]

Greetings, friend of mine is having trouble with port forwarding:
I have setup the forwarding and a (minecraft) server identically to the ones I used to run, they have the same WiFi router brand with nearly the same interface but yet nothing (not even the router login page) goes out, even when the device is set to "open host" (forwarding all ports to this device).

Hit me with ideas what could be wrong!

[mossy gull]

Have they tried rebooting the router/modem

[cinder lagoon]

Yup

Nothing goes through except the CHECKDNS

port checking the public IP directly also doesn't work

Just thought to check: ping DOES go through

[mossy gull]

Is their router also the ISP modem?

[cinder lagoon]

I believe so. Currently checking with previous network admin

My setup is
cable from street -> modem in basement -> ISDN (I think) cable to multiple locations in house -> one jack plugged into WiFi router WAN socket
I would assume the same setup unless proven otherwise.

[mossy gull]

Sometimes ISP modems do have different settings or removed/added settings

[cinder lagoon]

...... huh... ping IPv6 (and tracert -6) works, IPv4 not... both for the DNS record AND the DNS IP itself...?

The IPs are both correct, according to WhatIsMyIP.com

[mossy gull]

If they use a modem from an ISP, the settings are different than that from 1 you buy in store

[cinder lagoon]

We both have the same modem (different revision, different firmware version) from the same ISP with the same manufacturer

As far as I know same config and probably same infrastructure

[sacred seal]

I have had wierd issues with IPV6 and router after the modem

[cinder lagoon]

To be clear, we are specifically having problems with IPv4

[sacred seal]

have you configured the router to run on ipv6?

In my case the stock modem only used ipv6, and would not use ipv4

And the router did not properly understand that was the case

[cinder lagoon]

The router aswell as clients know the public IPv4 adress, it's just that for some reason nothing goes through its firewall I guess

[sacred seal]

So you can connect to your own machines using the public ipv4 addresses, but not an external device?

[cinder lagoon]

I'm currently trying from out of network. It does not seem to be the case tho.

[sacred seal]

Ok, that I have no idea about. Can you connect to the server using a public ipv6 address instead of a public ipv4?

[cinder lagoon]

Minecraft does not accept IPv6 afaik

Could certainly try tho

I could try connecting to the login panel via IPv6

[jade scaffold]

got the new ear pads

[mossy gull]

Poofypads

[jade scaffold]

yeee

very comfy must say they sound even wider than they already sounded i think its because the pads are a bit thicker as well as being alot more firm than the old ones on the old ones i could feel them against my ears these ones i cant

[cinder lagoon]

Note to self: Next time you do this, just do the antenna cables before anything else

[amber fable]

Pads can make a huge difference to how headphones sound.

[pearl moon]

100%. My senn pc38 came with cloth and velour pads, and the velour sounds way better to me

And i think it's pretty telling when people make different EQs for the different pads

[jade scaffold]

yup materials and lots of other factors at play

[mossy gull]

I personally prefer Poofypads, sadly majority of headphones only have fakeskinnypads

Fakeskinnypads always itchy

Their reason is usually because it feels more "premium".
To me it just feels cheap.
Give me woolypads, poofypads or floofypads, not fakeskinnypads.

[jade scaffold]

These Pads are made by Dekoni if any one is interested in replacement pads for their headphones they do them for many headphones

these Specifically are the Elite Velour pads

[amber fable]

Fake leather pads break down over time and leave nasty residue everywhere. Real leather pad on the other hand are amazing. Like the ZMF cowhide pads I used on my old headphones.

[jade scaffold]

yea real leather is real durrable

[mossy gull]

I am the kinda person that doesn't like leather on me.
Like if I get a car I'll replace the seats it with cloth, my shoes are from nylon instead of leather.

[jade scaffold]

need to get new pads for my brothers XM3 headphones as well as his have really disintegrated

[amber fable]

I wish I could still use those pads. They were So. Damn. Comfy. They softened up over time into the big poofy soft lumps of amazingness, but on my DT 990s they sound super boomy. Bass boost to end all bass boosts.

Those ATH m40x headphones are just too fragile in the hinge area to justify another pair though.

[jade scaffold]

yea

the thing i like about LCD-2s is they are modular af

somthing breaks just replace it

maybe even get a newer revision of the part

or an older one if you prefered the older on

[amber fable]

I was printing new hinge parts for the m40x, but those broke even faster than the OEM part. Installing new OEM parts required soldering, and finally I was like "screw this, I'm getting something else".

[jade scaffold]

yea thats fair

[amber fable]

I don't know why Audio Technica has almost all their headphones attach to the band with a tiny plastic stick.

[jade scaffold]

everythin on the LCD2s is held together with screws with the exception of ear pads which use an adhesive which surprisingly leaves no residue atall even after 18 months of abuse

[amber fable]

Adhesive? For earpads? They don't just use an elastic band in a channel like everyone else?

[jade scaffold]

nope

[amber fable]

Ewww.

[jade scaffold]

its not like bad adhesive tho is the thing, the reason people dont like adhesive is because it gets all gunky after a while and this stuff just didnt

[cinder lagoon]

@jade scaffold @mossy gull Didn't someone just announce/release that folding laptop thing with screen, keyboard and touch on the whole inside surface? and it's working really well??

[jade scaffold]

i thought that was lenovo

theres aslo the Zenbook Fold which is actually out but itll set you back 3.3 grand

new Dual Screen Yoga book

solvs the main issue i had with the last gen one

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmm yea there certainly seem to be multiple options

[mossy gull]

But they're very pricey for the performance they have

[jade scaffold]

yea

they arent made for performance

they are made for that ballin portable screen real-estate

also lenovo what the fuck is this

its an Ultra wide screen

with a built in drawing tablet

its kinda cool

[mossy gull]

It's amazing................ly odd

[jade scaffold]

not quite as expensive as I expected

not cheap mind you

£1000

[mossy gull]

This is for me cheap for a laptop

[jade scaffold]

the screen res wtf

3072x1440 @120hz

[cinder lagoon]

glad about it! ;)

I always wanna / kinda gotta secure the best price/performance ratio

[mossy gull]

Although I never seen that laptop, would've gotten it if I could

[mossy gull]

Awesome 😃

[jade scaffold]

its not got Discrete graphics tho

its only Iris Xe Graphics

which are perfectly fine for photo editing and drawing

and its got a good processor

its a 12 core I5

which i think is 6 performance cores 6 efficiency cores

god dam that picture makes it look really ugly watchin a vid about it it lowkey looks really good in the vid

[mossy gull]

That's integrated graphics

[jade scaffold]

i know

its not intergrated HD serise tho its the actual half decent ones

[cinder lagoon]

Kinda looks like it's been pulled out to the side to reveal that extra screen xD

Is the top screen also touch then?

Think that doesn't really make sense, given the bottom one

[jade scaffold]

it is actually

its designed obviously for arty people some people dont wanna put their pen down to use the track pad or a mouse and would rather just poke the thing they want on the screen with their pen so its a nice to have

Mind you Zenbook Fold Duos are fairly cheap too

£880 from Currys £600 on ebay

[mossy gull]

How is it called?

[jade scaffold]

LENOVO ThinkBook Plus G3 IAP

[mossy gull]

Nice, would be awesome for modding

[jade scaffold]

yea

[cinder lagoon]

modding!? such a tightly integrated device??

Don't think thats a good plan tbh

If you meant game-modding on the other hand... thats a good idea I think

[sonic meadow]

that would be extra amazing if the small screen could be removed and used wireless/tethered

[surreal moss]

I was just thinking the same thing. Like have a space carved out for a Phone to go into and integrate lightly some way

[mossy gull]

Yes

I can still build the mods

[cinder lagoon]

What do you think you'd be modding?

[sacred seal]

Anyone know any companies that do PCB soldering? I have this psudo medical device (external vagus nerve stimulator) that costs a grand and has a build quality of a dollarstore pair of headphones. Basically its a cable with a male micro b on one side and a clip that looks like this on the other, with a PCB in the middle

And because it is built like shit the cable broke here

The wire inside is super thin so I don't really have the ability to solder it, so what I would like to do is rip the PCB out of its housing, attach a type c female to one side and a headphone jack to the other and 3d print a case to put it in.

But I don't have the soldering skills to do board level repair, so I need to find some vendor capable of doing it for me

[cinder lagoon]

Do these things have any logic inside? Is there some unit at the end of these cables, doing all the things and these are just for attaching to body?

Ouh darn, Microsoft done a deal with AMD to do AI hardware for them.

[sacred seal]

Presumably the board in the middle has some basic logic inside

To use the device you have to plug it into your phone and run a app

[sacred seal]

Finally got a picture. Ignore the electrical tape and popsicle stick, we did that to try and reduce the wear on the device.

[cinder lagoon]

It seems, this is just a 1mm rod, that connects the wire to the clamping thingy

Scratch that I meant 2.5mm audio jack

I.E. You could probably just replace that plug with one from some audio (headphone) cable and connect the wires by any means

[mossy gull]

I just found out a very odd thing about my Asus ROG Strix G15 Advantage Edition, it has no CMOS....

I had problems with this machine and wanted to see if I could reset the BIOS by unplugging the CMOS, which it doesn't have, and oddly enough, unplugging the battery did it for me

[cinder lagoon]

What do you mean "no CMOS"??

Sure you mean no CMOS battery

[amber fable]

Many, if not most, laptops do not have a separate CMOS battery.

[cinder lagoon]

I was originally thinking this would be a regular MoBo but regardless, no CMOS at all does not seem true so I'm guessing they meant CMOS battery

[mossy gull]

Yes that

[mossy gull]

Actually so far all HP, Dell & MSI laptops I worked on had a CMOS battery

[amber fable]

Rather than figure out which servers around here are up and available on a weekend, I just finished moving a production workload off of an overloaded VPS and onto... My Steamdeck.

I need my main PC for gaming damn it.

[sacred seal]

I have the little domahink that goes between the clip and the wire, but the problem is that the internal wire is so thin and everything is plastic coated so that it would be very difficult to solder the ends back together

The outer sheathing is substantially thicker then the internal wire

[cinder lagoon]

It can't be more broken, can it be?

[sonic meadow]

Never utter those words!

[jade scaffold]

whys it so hard to find small Jetson Boards

theres one i've found that i like

but i'd have to get it imported and pay further tax on it and that'd cost too much

this goofy lil thing is actually near enough perfect for what i want

This one too is great

[cinder lagoon]

IT HAS CAN!?
Damn it's really feature-rich!

[jade scaffold]

yea like all jetson boards have CAN

[cinder lagoon]

Huh, kinda highlights the application space, it's meant for - you don't happen to use it in a car, do you?

[sonic meadow]

I imagine automotive is a fairly common application for sbc like that

[jade scaffold]

they're made for robotics aplications

so they support like everything for that kinda stuff

they can do cameras too

so self driving cars and such

or self piloting drones

[mossy gull]

I don't think they support self driving cars or else companies would get them more often

[jade scaffold]

they do

for things like self driving cars they're only used for development

because having a 25W SBC powing a car is malicious overkill at best

[sonic meadow]

nvidia hardware has been used in AI vision stuff in cars for ages

[jade scaffold]

^^^this

what cars actually use in the final product is a much cheaper much lower power chip

[sonic meadow]

wouldnt surprise me if its in every third headlight made in the last decade

[jade scaffold]

said lower power chip isnt exactly somthing thats gonna be fun to use to test new software thats either unoptimised or still in the test phase

as such the much more powerful Jetson NX modules are a good substitute for rapid testing and development

also

THIS Exists and its awesome

Credit card Sized Ryzen SBC

[pearl moon]

Something like that could make a great handheld emulation device

[jade scaffold]

yup

theres actually an even more powerfull varient

but still thoes APUs arent that powerfull

not even close to a 1050

[mossy gull]

Actually, AMD RX 680M, is faster than a GTX 1050 by at least 30%

[jade scaffold]

thats not an RX680m

its a 448SP

which is 2.5x slower than a 1050

its actually slower than a 1030

with the 1030 being about 25% faster

the smallest Computer that has a 680M in it is the ASRock 4x4 7735U/D5 and that is MUCH larger and not suitable for a hand held

[mossy gull]

You forgot the GPD Win 4

[jade scaffold]

no i didnt

just phrased it wrong

I should have said SBC

thats my b

[mossy gull]

Still looks fatter than a GPD Win 4

[jade scaffold]

is the GPD Win 4 the size of a credit card

because excluding the dumbass ethernet port that thing is

luckilly enough the ethernet port appears to just be soddered on with through board pins which makes it like a 5 min job to remove the ethernet ports on the Newer model that is anyway

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593040008928296979/1105167396056076470/de-next-V2K8_3D-Front-Large.png

you could if you REALLY wanted to modify one of these into a super miniture Hand held Gaming PC

[pearl moon]

You might get this into a form factor similar to the original gba

especially if you removed unnecessary tall ports

but i wonder if a pi 4 would outperform one of these

[pearl moon]

Well there's no way you're playing ps2 on that lmao

pretty sure recommended spec for pcsx2 is 1070ti

there is a (sadly abandoned due to shitty community) android fork that would probably run better

[ionic tusk]

Hey,

Im pretty sure this doesn’t exist but a 2 usb c input kvm switch to 3 monitors for 2 laptops does that exist from my memory no

Had a call that was weird from a family member wanting to splitter a dock to 2 laptops that’s not gonna work smh

[sacred seal]

You go type c to a dock to a kvm plus some video switches it could work, but good luck finding a dock with 3 video out

Would have to be a very specific type of laptop to support that

Thinking you would need both thunbolt and a dgpu

[mossy gull]

Majority of laptops only have a dual-link on 1 USB-C port, best would be to have 2 ultra-wide displays instead of 3 16:9

Although there are solutions to have 3 displays on 1 port

[sonic meadow]

DP link for example, though the hardware for that isn't common or cheap

[surreal moss]

Maybe take a look at VisionTek VT4900

If you can find one, that is. Looks like it was discontinued

[mossy gull]

Laptops have Dual-Link DP.

[sonic meadow]

Afaik all DP sources (or essentially all of them) are DP link. But you need a client device that supports it to pass the signal on

Just like most of them are DP++ too

Sorry, its called MST (Multi-Stream Transport) not dp link. It's been a while since I've looked in to it

[mossy gull]

Sorry, Radeon Software still calls it Dual-Link DisplayPort

[sonic meadow]

Dual link makes me think of dual link DVI, which has twice the number of electrical links.

[mossy gull]

Fun

[sacred seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbGfc-JBxlY&ab_channel=GamersNexus More updates on Asus's handling of the motherboard issues

Apparently the bios that fixes the issue voids your warrenty

[sacred seal]

This is at least as bad, if not worse then the Gigabyte PSU fiasco.

[mossy gull]

At least this is fixable by update, the PSU fiasco was blamed on the users.

[sacred seal]

An update that does not actually fix the issue, and voids your warrenty if you apply it

[mossy gull]

An update, from Asus themselves, voids warranty?

[sacred seal]

Yes

Newest bios if you apply it voids your warrenty

Because technically its a beta release

And GN tested it, it does not even fix the issue

[mossy gull]

That's the dumbest thing I ever heard, that basically means that updating anything, even Windows voids your warranty.

[sacred seal]

No, if you apply a specific variant of the bios (the one that "fixes" the bug) it voids your warranty.

Asus is doing all sorts of shitty stuff right now, its not looking good for them

It really is comprable to Gigabyte and there exploding PSUs

Or more accurately how they handled it

[mossy gull]

I don't believe that for a second, that would be the dumbest thing in the book.

[sacred seal]

Watch the GN video

[mossy gull]

From what I can find it only voids warranty if you fuck it up.
It says nothing about voiding warranty if it runs fine.

[sacred seal]

If the board dies and this bios is applied, and there is a link between this bios and the board dieing, you do not have warrenty

[mossy gull]

But if it runs fine you still keep warranty

[sacred seal]

Yea, but what good is warrenty if your board isin't broken?

[mossy gull]

It means if something elsz breaks that's unrelated to the BIOS you still have warranty

[sacred seal]

It does not permanently void warrenty, just does so as long as its on the board

Yea, but how often does a mobo die?

Baring the issue right now, not very often

[mossy gull]

Not often, more often something like the WiFi dies

[sacred seal]

And this bios is designed to fix the issue

So if you try to fix the issue using Asus provided bios, and your board still dies because its a crap product, you are effed

[mossy gull]

Still, I hope Asus fixes it.

[sacred seal]

They have not fixed it yet

[mossy gull]

I don't really want to go MSI for my next build, I have a very bad experience with their hardware quality over-time.

[sacred seal]

Well it seems like Asus is not doing any better right now. I would suggest watching the video, apparently there CS has massively downgraded in the last year or so to the point where GN was planning a piece on it even before this mess happened

[mossy gull]

Well, I hope Lenovo will release some boards😃

[cinder lagoon]

Gosh no

[jade scaffold]

I think a lenovo mobo built in the same style as their pads could actually look pretty cool

But really lenovo don't make consumer devices mainly so Id just go gigabyte for mobo if I was a consumer Asrack for a server mobo or any kinds of weird one I might want

[mossy gull]

I mean, they're still going strong, just don't sell loose components.
Although if they design their motherboards better and sell them under the Legion brand they can sell a lot of them.

[mossy gull]

I have been avoiding Gigabyte like a plague because their software did annoy me a lot in the past to the point I disconnected all RGB from the board.

[jade scaffold]

Their rgb software now is fine

[mossy gull]

And with MSI I always had ports Harakiri after a while.

[jade scaffold]

A bit basic but it works and doesn't chew up performance like mist of the ones out there

[mossy gull]

It didn't chew performance, it literally bugged out my iCue and Armoury Crate.
So it was motherboard RGB or mouse and keyboard etc. RGB

I also want a basic but cool looking board, And Asus are more or less the only ones with their Creator boards.

[jade scaffold]

Ah

The it rgb I run is the mobo rgb everything else just lights up white

[mossy gull]

For me I could choose every colour as long it was rainbow

[pearl moon]

I just use openrgb for everything except my corsair fans, which i only use icue cause i have them running a color gradiant based on cpu and gpu temps

But considering i'm on an asrock mobo, crucial ram, and razer mouse, i don't need 4 rgb programs running at the same time

[mossy gull]

OpenRGB can't find my keyboard and uses a ton of CPU for me

[cinder lagoon]

For anyone that didn't watch WAN show yesterday: ASUS has said (privately) that they'll not void warranty for that bios and have some form of trust-me-bro™️ warranty.
The text beneath that BIOS is just a remnant of all beta bioses. Their PR team just wasn't fast enough for the engineers that put out a "fix" asap, so the change has to "propagate through all their sites" but it will be removed for this BIOS and similar fixes

[jade scaffold]

Warrantees are "trust me bro" things anyway and have 0 legal standing but its good to see that the "This will void your warrantee" thing is actually just a copy paste thing they stick on all their beta bios revisions and that they just forgot to remove it, they have now started removing the message from most regions, in addition to unlisting support on older revisions for X3D

[sacred seal]

Good that they are removing that, but given user reports of dealing with Asus about this issue and all the other BS they have been pulling with the bios revisions, I suspect its less of a mistake and more of a backtrack now that that pressure is being put on them.

[mossy gull]

At least they aren't like Gigabyte and tell people they're the cause of the issue.

[sacred seal]

Well they have done that...

At least one person was initially denied RMA because he overclocked his CPU

And the whole bios release mess (constantly changing which bios revisions were supported) seemed to be designed to get users to install bioses that were "unsupported" so that they could later claim that the user installed the wrong bios and that was the fault of the user

That or they are just flat out incompetent, which is also possible

Given the 5800x6d

But if GN evaluates it as malicious, given there inside contacts I am inclined to believe them.

[jade scaffold]

specifically their PSU devision that does that

their GPU and Mobo Devision are aparrently actually really good about honouring warrente or replacing failed parts

[mossy gull]

Not overhere, here their customer service is non-existent

[jade scaffold]

your countrys tech industry generally speaking is almost none exsistant

so thats not really a huge surprise tbh

[mossy gull]

How dare you tell that to the best water benders in the world

Oddly enough, Lenovo, Dell, HP, Asus here are amazing

[jade scaffold]

thats because Lenovo Dell HP and ASUS are fucking enormous companies

Lenovo Dell and HP Especially so

too bad that neither Dell nor HP can make more than the rare occasional good product but ayo you atleast got Lenovo just dont buy their phones

[balmy flicker]

ok

so I have a dumb issue where randomly on start up that happen if I restart the PC it boots completely normaly

[cinder lagoon]

Make sure that your F12 or DEL key aren't stuck/misbehaving.
If it does that on its own your Disk might be failing occasionally at reading the Partition table / MBR. Would have to know more about your boot drive tho.

[cinder lagoon]

Any opinions about the best (price-performance) hobbyist thermal cam?
Was looking into Flir's Type-C Pro Phone attachment but the market is really obscure.

[balmy flicker]

no but I do have a phantom partition from attempting to add ubuntu to the drive this was cloned from.
it is not reading my SSD when this happens

[cinder lagoon]

Describe phantom partition?🤔

[cinder lagoon]

Make sure the cables (/connector) are plugged in securely!!

[balmy flicker]

I have a spare windows partition that does not completely exist as a result of attempts to clone a corupted drive (it took the company over a week to do the job due to the corruption I did get most of my data but I had to reinstall windows any way)

It is an M.2 and is nice secure in the slot for it

[cinder lagoon]

"does not completely exist" does not entirely make sense:
Either partition table entries overlap (VERY BAD, potential data loss!!!)
there is an empty partition table entry with allocated space (easy fix, but unrelated to problem)
There is an unassigned partition with no file system on it (easy fix, unrelated to problem)

[cinder lagoon]

Can you make sure via your MoBo manual that that specific M.2 port might not be "shared" with some SATA connectors that might be in use?

[cinder lagoon]

After (now) extensieve research I've found that Flir is actually one of the worst price-to-performance cameras, in any possible way of viewing.
The best choices seem to be either:

• Higher res, high temp range "Topdon TC001" for 250€, tax shipping included
• Same res (as flir), higher temp range (than flir) "Perfectprime ir202" for 150€, tax shipping included
  Both are vastly better offers than flir, Topdons app is also way better, perfectprime app is really basic and does not offer to compensate low res with a regular camera image "overlay" in comparison to flir.

Now I just gotta decide wether to go with the better option or the cheaper one.

[balmy flicker]

this is the slot I am using for my boot drive I have also garbed the storage info
IKD how to describe the second "partition" on boot I can chose between 2 windows 10 options on boot I have not tested the second one in a while to see if it works

that M.2 slot is the only one that does not use the mother bord chip set

the second option is corupted

[sacred seal]

How did you end up with two partitions, and how did one of them end up courrupted?

[balmy flicker]

I had a computer repair place clone a corupted drive

like that drive would fail to boot 3 times then boot is uber safe recovery mode

[sacred seal]

I doubt its the cause of this issue, but I would deffinatly get rid of the courrupted partition

Courrupted OS install*

[balmy flicker]

IDK how I have already reinstalled the OS and I don't see any partition on my boot drive

[sacred seal]

Go into disk management and send a screengrab

Should look something like this

[balmy flicker]

this is file explore

[sacred seal]

Ookay? Somethings not right

[balmy flicker]

Data is a spinner

IDK why it is disk 0

[sacred seal]

Probably going to extend the partion on data, no clue why you have 125GBs just unused

[balmy flicker]

ignore data

[sacred seal]

And you have ended up with 6 recovery partitions?

[balmy flicker]

that is an artifact of an atempted unbutu install that never took

[sacred seal]

One which is 12 GBs

[balmy flicker]

IDK

all empty

[sacred seal]

Do you have a live USB by any chance?

[balmy flicker]

pluged in or one I can use

[sacred seal]

AKA linux on a usb stick that you can boot from

[balmy flicker]

not any more I lets say that my linx exp is related to the above mess

[sacred seal]

Basically just want something you can use to make a backup of the partitions should things go sideways

[balmy flicker]

I had one IDK if I formated it

[sacred seal]

The goal is to delete the recovery partitions and rebuild the EFI partition

However if you screw up rebuilding the EFI you wont be able to boot, so bieng able to make a backup of the current one and then have the ability to add it back without windows running would be prefrable

https://www.ubackup.com/windows-10/restore-efi-partition-windows-10-8523.html

You can always use instalation media to rebuild the EFI, but better to have the origional

The EFI is what determines if your drive is bootable

[balmy flicker]

makes sense but I unfortunately have to wait that for another time As I need to do non computer stuff for a few hours

thanks for the help

[sacred seal]

To be clear I do not expect this to fix the issue as the drive is not showing up in the bios at all, but it is something that might be contributing to the issue

[cinder lagoon]

Using bcdedit, you would see that this second one probably refers to a NULL partition

[sacred seal]

Yea, looking at the partitions that was also my guess

I just wanted to make sure that the drive was not causing wonky behavior

[cinder lagoon]

@balmy flicker
DO NOT DELETE THE EFI PARTITION!!
Using bcdedit from command prompt (or EasyBCD to make it wayy easier) just delete the second boot entry and disable "show boot menu"

[cinder lagoon]

If it goes to BIOS, it probably is - some form of loose connection or drive failure for sure.

[sacred seal]

Ok, more wonky behavior. I wanted to validate that the drive itself was not the cause of the extra partition or the courruption

[balmy flicker]

not done any thing yet was out shopping

[balmy flicker]

then why does a simply power cycle fix the issue I do not even take off the glass and the drive is fully seated and bolted down

[sacred seal]

Yea, probably not a mechanical issue. Will probably want to re install the bios as well, but I figure fix the things we know are broken first

[cinder lagoon]

Technically you don't need a Linux USB to fix the recovery partitions but they aren't particularly a problem. With a linux USB we can find out which one is the real one and delete the rest.

I would try removing the boot entry including menu first. To do this, download EasyBCD. (afaik there is some paid version out there but I've always been using some free one. Don't know anymore, where I got it, have always had the installer in the cloud

[balmy flicker]

what does EFI mode mean for booting

[pearl moon]

Well, i now have my first permanent drive in my NAS, just a single 500gb for now

Which means it's time to keep it on for 24 hours and see how it does with that

[cinder lagoon]

Delete the second (unkown device) entry via the "Edit boot menu" button.
EFI stands for extensible firmware interface. In case you mean the file extension it's just a pretty way to make sure the right "boot script" (program) gets run by the hardware.

Also in "advanced settings" configure the boot menu to your liking.

[pearl moon]

Eventually i would like to have 4-5x 2TB drives for it, but rn it's just 1x 500GB to get everything off of my 1TB onedrive that i suddenly have 30 days to get everything out of.

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh crap... didn't extend the office suite?

If you've been using OneDrive before, you should learn about nextcloud btw

[pearl moon]

In this case it was my mom using my account to buy the sub for outlook for work

so it was free 1tb onedrive

[pearl moon]

How does that work?

[cinder lagoon]

Nextcloud is basically hosting your own onedrive, even with the "files on demand"

It's open source tho and can be accessed from basically everywhere, even linux and such

[pearl moon]

Sounds nice

I'll look into setting it up in omv, looks pretty simple to do tho

probably easier than FTP/SMB

once it's set up

[cinder lagoon]

Usually yes. Sometimes, in very few cases tho, some things go wonky but that's just as bad with OneDrive 😂

[pearl moon]

You mean my 6 attempts to upload a 75GB disk image?

(Which btw was my original 500GB drive, which now lives in my PS2)

I'm also sad that the 124GB drive my gma had was not working, as it would've gone in the ps2 instead

[cinder lagoon]

Haven't had problems with either, if the image file handle wasnt open somewhere else ^^'

[pearl moon]

Also yeah that hdd not working was weird. It spun up, but no dice in file explorer or diskpart

Granted these were all very used drives, newest one being mfd in 2010.

[pearl moon]

So i'm getting an interesting issue on my pc

Ethernet is plugged in, and router shows connected

But pc acts like no ethernet is plugged in

I have no idea what to do

[mossy gull]

Have you installed Ethernet drivers

[pearl moon]

I will if i have to

It'll just be a pita to do it from my phone

[mossy gull]

Then install them and see if it fixes it

[pearl moon]

I just restarted my router and we've made progress

Connected without internet

And i have internet

Damn comcast

I restarted it 3 times yesterday and no dice

Restart it today, everything works

Nvm everything does not work

Had internet for a second, now nothing lmao

[cinder lagoon]

Go to windows network adapter settings, look if it says connected

[pearl moon]

it was saying it wasn't

but in this case it was just comcast bs

it was fixed after a reset, after the first 4 resets did not work

[cinder lagoon]

I meant this panel

"no internet" is different to "no connection"

[pearl moon]

yeah it was giving me no connection

troubleshooter was also telling me to connect an ethernet cable

but again in this case it was just comcast bs

[cinder lagoon]

I'd say never trust the troubleshooter but this seems to be one of the few things it might be right about.
Make sure there are no loose connections or too sharp bends in the cable

[sacred seal]

Using tracert can be helpful for identifying where in the stack the faliure is actually happening

[pearl moon]

Good to know for future reference, thanks

In other news, seems like the free 500gb hdd i put in my nas is bad

Or atleast SMART is saying it's bad

[sacred seal]

In what way?

[pearl moon]

"Warning: device has a few bad sectors"

[sacred seal]

Yea, that is not good

[pearl moon]

And from what i'm reading online, that's a mechanical fault, not one i can just do a scan & repair on

[sacred seal]

Mech or SSD?

[pearl moon]

HDD

i wish i had SSDs available to use

i think what i'm gonna do is swap drives with my PS2, cause i'm pretty sure my PS2's drive is good

And it's not gonna be used nearly as much as a NAS drive

I can't say i'm surprised it's a bad drive.

Mfd date is August 5th 2010

And it was ran pretty hard for a normal pc hdd

[cinder lagoon]

Don't try that for the sake of more storage.
Keeping the console functional (stock) would be way more important to me than some 256G of storage. Changing console hard drives (no idea about PS2) can have weird repercussions if it works at all.

[cinder lagoon]

That's not per say the issue: mechanical stress (vibration) is. Even loud sounds can damage HDDs.

[pearl moon]

Lmao, the console is already modded, and nothing important is stored on the drive that i can't easily replace

[cinder lagoon]

Then good

[pearl moon]

the HDD is just the backdoor method to mod the console, and for storing games on. Saves are stored on a Memory Card.

[cinder lagoon]

Just to avoid the "lmao I don't nearly use the space on the hard drive of my console, gee I wonder if I can just put in a smaller one and call it a day"

[cinder lagoon]

Yeah but the OS is also on that drive and some consoles appear to be finicky about what drives they take

[pearl moon]

PS2 is before all that, most didn't ship with HDDs at all

HDD adapter was sold separate for games like Phantasy Star Online or Final Fantasy 11, MMOs.

or to run an official Sony Linux Distro

[cinder lagoon]

..what? Where was the operating system of the PS2 stored? 🤔

Huh, did not know it booted of a 4MB BIOS ROM... tho given that game cartridges were only 8MB, and it didn't really do much without them, it kinda makes sense

...yeah, didn't really do much 😂