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[sacred seal]

Right app, wrong menu. Its under manage 3d settings I think

[merry bay]

Ok. Give me just a minute. I'm eating lunch.

It was set to auto select. I'm guessing I should change that to the gpu?

The 3070, I mean.

[surreal moss]

Worth a try

[sacred seal]

I don't have a nvidia card anymore, don't remember the actual settings

But you need to select the game and then assign it to use the high performance gpu

[merry bay]

ok

hmm...that didn't work. Still showing the error message.

[sacred seal]

Screen grab just to sanity check the settings?

[sacred seal]

That looks right to me. Is there any other X4 EXEs?

Sometimes you have a launcher and a game that are separate

[merry bay]

Searching now

I'm only seeing the one EXE

[sacred seal]

What are the specs of your PC?

Or what CPU do you have

[sacred seal]

Ah, that could be it then. Brother had a similar issue

Stock Acer drivers for the AMD GPU tends to break things

Try downloading the AMD driver fresh from AMD

Note that windows will keep trying to revert the new install back to the old install, so you may want to disable driver updates for windows

[merry bay]

How do I do that?

[sacred seal]

Which thing are you referencing with "that"?

[merry bay]

Sorry. Disabling the driver updates

[sacred seal]

https://pureinfotech.com/disable-automatic-driver-install-windows-11/

This is for 11, should be the same in 10

[merry bay]

Thanks. Installing the driver now.

Lets see if this works.

That worked! Thanks, guys! I really appreciate it!

[dull garnet]

3060 it or 6750 xt and now 6750 xt just now if diver problem is fix

Do not spend more 500$ for gpu

[cinder lagoon]

What?

I can recommend getting a cheap 6800 if you're looking for buying advice

[mossy gull]

Also has more Raytracing cores

[dull garnet]

6800 not 100 more and no more 500$

Not buy pre-owned

[cinder lagoon]

????
Where do you live to account for pricing? I will pick the best value for under $500

[dull garnet]

USA

I look like 6750xt by asrock go be the one want get

[mossy gull]

@dull garnet what kinda games do you play and at what resolution?

[cinder lagoon]

This one is pretty much your best bet:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P36qqs/asrock-radeon-rx-6800-16-gb-phantom-gaming-d-oc-video-card-rx6800-pgd-16go
Here are other ones I would deem a good value:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#X=41397,50559&c=499,497,494,501,495,496&sort=-price&page=1

[dull garnet]

1080p star citizen and cp 2077, hogwarts legacy other games

Do not spend more 500$

[cinder lagoon]

Yes, the one I recommended is just below $500. If you wanted to spend less and $500 is your hard limit, you gotta say that :P

[dull garnet]

@cinder lagoon

This good by look and what read

I was think got 3060ti

[cinder lagoon]

It is a good value but you'd get more performance with the ones I sent tho at a higher price

[dull garnet]

Trying to work on the budget

[mossy gull]

Keep in mind, the 8GB VRAM will hamper newer games performance.
8GB is just not enough anymore these days unless you want to play with worse looking textures

[dull garnet]

I've already have a monster of cpu get on sell i7 13700k

Amd is than

So go be 6700xt or 6750xt

[cinder lagoon]

You're speaking in riddles, dude 😅

[mossy gull]

I recommend the 6800, it's maybe less budget but it'll last longer for sure

If you really want to save money get the 6750XT

[dull garnet]

That go for @mossy gull

I can upgrade Again 4 or more year's

I kind of built this t pc to future proof

But i'm trying 2operateonabudgetsound

[mossy gull]

Then get as powerful as possible, we're gonna take some performance leaps especially now that Pathtracing becomes a thing

[dull garnet]

In my pc have now 1660 s

[mossy gull]

I have a 6700XT and its the lowest I recommend currently if you can afford it

SC takes 10GB VRAM on 3440x1440

[sacred seal]

So my discord is stuck showing a notification for my direct messages

Best I can tell I do not have any unread DMs or anything else that would trigger it though

Its not showing in the task bar ither, and when I open discord up on a different device it also does not have it.

I have already restarted both discord and my PC, anyone have any ideas (other then reinstall it)?

[sonic meadow]

Do you have any message or friend requests?

[sacred seal]

Best I can tell no

[inland dove]

skill issue

[mossy gull]

When people say VRAM is unimportant, these GPUs both have a Passmark score around 22400 points.
https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k

[dull garnet]

I say it's 2 parts. The more vram have the more buff But what's Navidia do They're trying to get them the process Faster more of Efficiently.

But what do I know

I7 13700k
Cl 16 ddr4
1tb ssd
5tb hdd
For now 1660 s gpu but get 6750xt

Not bad for my first build on a budget

Got the c p u on sale for like two hundred less at micro center

Sorry about the spelling errors

[mossy gull]

Nvidia tries to use faster and faster VRAM, while AMD has slower & more VRAM which is more beneficial, their cards aren't that expensive either.
Efficiency only gets you so far.
AMD uses a cache die to make up for the slower VRAM, which really pays off it seems.

[dull garnet]

true Why get a amd gpu

1660 s from old pc

I have to save some more to get my gpu

[sacred seal]

Synthetic benchmarks are just that, synthetic. At launch the 6800xt was fairly well paired against the 3080, not the 3070.
If you have a 3070 you should be running at 1440 or higher. If you hit the vram limit, performance is going to suffer, but if you factor in the fact that the 3070 is slower out of the gate, and that many of these benchmarks are bieng run at unreasonable quality settings (the 6800xt is managing less then 60fps), you are left with a small subset of games which actually exhibit problems due to vram limitations. There are more games where the 3070 is faster then the 6800xt then there are games that are unreasonably hampered by the lack of vram.

[mossy gull]

If I take SC, which I use to ran on a Vega FE, now on a 6700XT or 6800M.
On 3440x1440 the game always uses around 10GB VRAM, which a 3070 doesn't have.
In Cyberpunk 2077, it apparently can use up to 18GB VRAM, the less you have the more bottleneck your GPU is.

[mossy gull]

Well, we're talking about the 6800 non XT, and games that use less VRAM may come to an end, more and more people want 4K gaming, so textures will become bigger.

[sacred seal]

I played cyberpunk 2077 on a 6900xt. You are not getting playable framerates if the GPU is using more then 10GBs

[dull garnet]

Am go 6750xt I have look at 6800xt will can not found that pre own than 500 or over msrp and live usa

Why one I found is that micro center and that's like 499

[sacred seal]

These games are somewhat future proofed. You can run them at settings far in excess of what a top of the line PC can handle today

[dull garnet]

And the reason why I'm want for 500. Do not want to have to save for like 4 or 5 months

I work Minimum wage job

[sacred seal]

More vram is better, but that is still far from the main consideration when picking a new GPU.

[dull garnet]

I Go for 6750xt

[mossy gull]

But the excess VRAM is useful, especially if you look at games likes SC that really benefit from it.
CP2077 is just extremely heavy, but still, even if you use 10GB VRAM, you have that tiny buffer the 3070 doesn't have.

[sacred seal]

Again, reported usage is not the same as actual usage, and cyberpunk is still not the most optimized affair

[dull garnet]

Indeed

[sacred seal]

The performance lost due to vram could still be made up by a more powerful GPU core

For the most part that is not the case, but for the right price a 8GB gpu is still plenty good

[dull garnet]

The cost to Performance the 6750xt is batter buy for me

The only difference is with the 3060ti is It does lighting and reflections better

[mossy gull]

When my little brother still had his 3070, we found out it started using Shared memory way faster, which slowed down a the game.
While my 6700XT had it all in its VRAM and used no shared memory.
On the NVidia card we only used Taskmanager to see in the details tab, on AMD we used both AMD Radeon Software and Taskmanager.

[sacred seal]

Vram does not work like ram.

[dull garnet]

No not

[mossy gull]

Also with Resident Evil 1 Remake.
I can flawlessly run the game on 4K ultra settings on a Vega FE, while the 3070, a more powerful card started to badly stutter.

Resident Evil Remake can use 16GB VRAM in 4K Ultra.

[sacred seal]

Games have no clue how much ram they need at any given time, so they just ask for a bunch. The worst case I have seen tested was for honor which was requesting 2x as much memory as it was actually using

[mossy gull]

I know, that's why shared memory fucks with your performance

[sacred seal]

No, that is a entirely unrealted issue

With ram, what is reported as used is generally fairly close to what is actually used

[mossy gull]

I mean, a faster a GPU uses shared memory the more it hampers its performance

[sacred seal]

With vram, that 16GBs of vram it is reportedly using could be as low as 8 in reality

[mossy gull]

But it can be as high as 16GB,

[sacred seal]

Nope, best case it would probably be 14

[mossy gull]

All I know, DWM is a VRAM sucker with high res displays

[sacred seal]

Stuff is swapped in and out of memory so frequently that developers do not bother releasing it when not in use

Its common practice to bake in 10-20% overhead for any vram request

Just in case there is a super high spike that is unexpected

DWM reports itself as a vram sucker. Again, the numbers you see when it comes to vram have little to do with the actual stuff that is going on behind the scenes

I run 2 4k displays, and before I got my 6900xt I was running a 1080

According to task manager, chrome is running on 5GBs of ram and 5GBs of vram right now

You think that chrome is actually using 5 GBs of vram?

Actually even better, my total vram ussage is about 10GBs. Only things of note that I have open are chrome and UE. This is the exact same workload I used to run on my 8GB 1080

Yet not only could I run it without issue on the 1080, I could also play a game while doing so

If you have more vram, programs will use more vram

[mossy gull]

@sacred seal but then why does CP2077 run fine in 1080p with 8GB VRAM.
But as soon you got to 1440p it starts to lose against a 6700XT which has a bit more VRAM?

I tested without any upscaling tech and without Raytracing

The 3070 reported 90% VRAM usage(7.2GB) and 10% RAM usage(4GB) in Taskmanager, but the 6700XT only reported 11GB VRAM usage on the card.

[cinder lagoon]

If it's still there, open up the inbox at the top right of the client. Maybe something there...

[cinder lagoon]

data everything will fill the space it is constraint to.

[sacred seal]

The better question would be why the 3070 was only running at 90% and not 100% vram if it was fully loaded and cyberpunk was hitting vram limitations.
Its defiantly possible that vram was at play, but it could also be that settings were not applied identically between the two systems (cyberpunk is notoriously difficult to benchmark properly, even big youtubers like LTT and Jay messed up the settings on I think it was the 4090 review).

Or something else entirely. Computers are weird.

[sacred seal]

Nothing in my inbox. As this only is affecting my deskop and not my laptop I am thinking a re install is in order

[mossy gull]

Because the 3070 never hit 100% for some dumb reason

[cinder lagoon]

Make sure to delete the folder in %AppData%

[balmy flicker]

so I have a dumb issue my old android phone says there is no internet despite my computer being conected to the same router and actively streaming

[sonic meadow]

Can the phone browse the internet? It could be that the location it pings to check online-ness doesn't exist anymore

[balmy flicker]

no it will not

that is part of the issue I is talking to a router that has access but after a update / crash it stoped talking to the rest of the world it works on my internal Wifi

[cinder lagoon]

Proxy and DHCP settings? Maybe overriding the IP of some other already connected device

Best to "forget the network"

[balmy flicker]

joy thanks will do

[sonic meadow]

https://i.redd.it/akkwl2ueodta1.jpg

That is all

[cinder lagoon]

...is this a threat or a prophecy? 🤔

[balmy flicker]

Tried that and nothing

I am getting dns probe finished bad config

[cinder lagoon]

What is the configured DNS server of that network?
You can try overriding it in android in the settings of the particular network.
Try 8.8.8.8 for google's DNS.

[deft star]

RTX 4070 reviews are going live from all your favourite yt channels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHDq-LEGzw

[mossy gull]

At least they gave it 12GB VRAM and not 8GB they wanted to do 1st.

[jade scaffold]

they really had the 4070 loosing to the 3080 bruh

its RTX2000 all over again

[cinder lagoon]

Question:
Intel ax1675 "Killer" low-latency WiFi6E card PCIe or
Intel ax211 WiFi6E M.2 card?

Want it to be versatile (use on different devices), long lasting with high performance

Basically same price

[jade scaffold]

the M.2 card will require antennas atatching to it

i have the AX 210 on my jetson PC

[sonic meadow]

a large percentage of PCIe wifi cards are just m.2 cards on a pcie adaptor with some antenna flyleads going to the slot cover

[jade scaffold]

pretty much

alot of them that arent just that use the same wifi chip on them

[cinder lagoon]

Antennas no problem, prolly more versatile than fixed pcie but not sure

[jade scaffold]

yea you'd just have to rout the antennas somewhere if it goes in a desktop

[cinder lagoon]

I know but I can't decide which is the better solution

Better performance but less versatility or the other way around...

[jade scaffold]

the performance thing mostlikely will not be an issue for you

its not like you are gonna have internet over 1gigabit anyway or even need internet speeds of 1 gigabit

[mossy gull]

I have the AX210, amazing card and never had problems with it

[cinder lagoon]

I intend to use it for display streaming mostly. "Killer" products advertise up to 75% lower latency. Sounds good, considering practically no price difference

Should've leaded with that

[jade scaffold]

latency thing is also pretty much total bull shit

that 75% better latency is like 3ms most of the time

[cinder lagoon]

So you'd say go for better versatility with an ax211 M.2

[jade scaffold]

yes but keep in mind if its going into a desktop you need some antena leads and some actual antenas

[cinder lagoon]

Yope

[mossy gull]

The latency is utter bullcrap, Killer cards are more troublesome than stable.
And with normal Intel AX210/310 you can turn on settings to reduce the latency.

I had tons and tons of problems with Killer cards, I highly recommend against

[cinder lagoon]

Okay thats a good reason! Will go with the "old" one

[mossy gull]

Majority of Intel cards are good, except ones from 6 years ago, they had a faulty chip that made them overheat even under low load

[balmy flicker]

I am using 1.1.1.1

[mossy gull]

I use 1.1.1.2

[balmy flicker]

Ill try that

[mossy gull]

It's a more secured version of yours

[balmy flicker]

It will not let me enter it in unless it is 1.1.1.2.

and now it is being dumb and will not conect to my hidden network I wonder if something got corrupted

[surreal moss]

Is automatic mode not an option?

[balmy flicker]

trying to figure out why a phone connected to the same router as the rest as my PC does not have internet while actively streaming YouTube at the same time

[sacred seal]

Does the phone connect to any other networks?

Or more accurately does it work with internet from other sources

[balmy flicker]

I have one other router I can try but no it has a dead sim card

[sacred seal]

I'm talking more like can it connect to a free wifi

[balmy flicker]

it is connected to the WIFI just not my hiden network

and at the same time claims to have no internet connection despite talking to the same router as my PC

[sacred seal]

This would be a diagnostic mesure to see if the no internet issue is caused by the router/netowrk config or the device itself

[mossy gull]

How old is the phone

[balmy flicker]

it is a MOTO G power and is about 2-3 years old

[cinder lagoon]

Imma say router config, hence I recommended other DNS. (DNY_PROBE_FINISHED_BAD_CONFIG)
Try 8.8.8.8

[balmy flicker]

Every thing works on my other devices just the old phone will not conect

And all this happened after the battery ran dry and it failed to boot

And i tested 8.8.8.8 to no result so I told it to use the default DNS

[mossy gull]

Have you tried keeping it on default

[mossy gull]

If nothing works I would reset the phone.

[balmy flicker]

that was the last thing I tried I need to test another router first but yah

[cinder lagoon]

You can also try clearing the browser app's cache but that probably won't help...
Already tried some stuff from googling android dns_probe_finished_bad_config?

[balmy flicker]

looked it up I have done all the steps slightly out of order the issue is the phone I tested my ISP provided modem/router to the same results

I even set the DNS at the router and still nothing

[cinder lagoon]

Can you try with a hotspot from your regular phone or its simcard?

[balmy flicker]

no because verison is a PITA

and for some reason when ever I get a phone for them the sim cards are not swapable

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh

It's called a SIM-lock and it is used by ISPs who provide phones with their plans.
The phone could be reflashed with a non-ISP version of the firmware to unlock it

[cerulean helm]

So apparently Noctua was able to air cool a Xeon W9-3495x on a continuous 700W load. Just wow.

https://twitter.com/Noctua_at/status/1645805196545785857

Noctua (@Noctua_at)

Would you say 700W on air cooling is impossible? Here’s our NH-U14S DX-4677 cooling the Intel Xeon w9-3495X at a continuous load of more than 700W! @intel @ASUS @Seasonic @SKhynix

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[lusty heart]

Noctua will always be my go to.

Their coolers are built like a brick shit house.

Hopefully if Best Buy is accurate I will have a 7800X3D in my system this Saturday. Had to order because my store doesn't ever get shit on release day.

[cinder lagoon]

I think release day's been a few weeks but good for you! :D

[cinder lagoon]

Huh, okay microsoft.... 8 months of daily usage means your battery looses >26% of it's already pitiful capacity of 51Wh (it has 2 seperate batteries which both have space and could legally be 99Wh to still be be taken on a plane

[mossy gull]

On what type of device?

[cinder lagoon]

Surface book one, keyboard (base) battery

[mossy gull]

Oh, it's kinda normal the battery dies that fast, it's because of the heat of the device + the natural cycle of Lithium-Ion batteries.

[cinder lagoon]

The base does not get warm for mine does not have a GPU in it.

Just kinda disappointing that a laptop battery looses 25% already in under a year of daily (normal) usage

[mossy gull]

I have a SB2 with a top part battery that's only 25% left

So it can be worse.

Although I think I am gonna replace it with a the ROG Flow

Although I hope Asus will make a Flow Z13 with an AMD chip because Intel sucks ass for battery and it shows time and time again.

[cinder lagoon]

Betcha you used it more, tho ^^'

Mine sat idle at 50% for a good amount of time

[mossy gull]

A lot more, I use it like a drawing display these days.

[balmy flicker]

Well figured out the issue the clock was thinking it was 2022 and that prevented it from talking to the Internet

Once I fix the date and time it connected to the Internet instantaneously

[cinder lagoon]

Ohhh such an obvious but yet obstruse mistake

A design flaw that should not return "BAD DNS"... but instead something like "out of sync" or whatever 🙄

[sonic meadow]

what happens is that the timestamp on the dns request is too far out, so the dns server ignores it basically

[cinder lagoon]

I mean There should be a separate error code for it

[sonic meadow]

usually time related errors show up as a security error. at least in other spaces

[mossy gull]

It actually has to do with once in a while stuff gets changed and these changes are bound to date and time

[balmy flicker]

so what happened is my phone rest its clock to the last time it had cell service when it crashed which was a year ago hence the issues and becuse I use a watch I did not notice until I tried to reset the clock to control smart light then when checked the browser it then told me that the date was to far out to pull the offline page up when I fixed the date and time it all of a sudden had internet

[lusty heart]

1 week. It was on the 6th

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh wtf I've seen reviews for like ages xD

Hmm something must be wrong with the WiFi of my laptop...
But only in my personal home network?? Sometimes it just randomly disconnects and when using linux it more or less just straight up refuses to connect to either the guest or the regular network, after disconnecting a couple minutes after boot.

[mossy gull]

Have you updated the machine?

[cinder lagoon]

It's the surface book 1 - dualboot linux and windows, both most up-to-date but updating linux has gotten more difficult because the internet cuts out like I said

[mossy gull]

How long has it been doing it?

[cinder lagoon]

Idk man

Like 1-2 months

[dull garnet]

dids the asus vg277q1a support 10 bit format

[cinder lagoon]

Does not specify on the product page so probably not

[dull garnet]

K

[cinder lagoon]

You can look for monitors that specify 1.07 billion colors instead of the regular 16.5 million

[dull garnet]

K thanks am think upgrade one my monitor to 1440p.i have 6750xt

[cinder lagoon]

You won't find 10 bit at the pricpoint of 300 bucks tho.

1440p is a good choice. The GPU might not be able to upkeep 144hz tho

[dull garnet]

K

But Decided to do just to get the hDr Variant of the monitor that all ready have

[cinder lagoon]

Imma look if I can find some recommendations for 1440p HDR monitors but I'd expect $300-$400

[dull garnet]

I just go with 1080p and get same monitor have but has the hdr

[cinder lagoon]

Which one do you mean?

[dull garnet]

The VG279QL1A it has hdr my dids not

I got the cheaper one

That does not have hdr

[mossy gull]

No, it does not.
HDR or not, cheaper monitors are rarely 10-bit.
And some have it but then you also decrease the max Hz.

[mossy gull]

Maybe it's a faulty firmware update

[sacred seal]

Basically all hdr specs require 10 bit, so with very few exceptions if a display is hdr it is also 10 bit

[mossy gull]

Sadly majority of displays are HDRn't as they call them.
They support HDR, but at 8-bit and lower brightness

The Odyssey G3 for example is a nice 8-bit HDR display

[sacred seal]

G3 supports hdr10 supposedly

Which the specs require support for 10bit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDR10

[mossy gull]

2 family members in my house have the G3 and it lacks a 10-bit mode, Windows only shows 8-bit on highest framerate.

With the G5 you can turn it on 100Hz and get 10-bit

[sacred seal]

NVM, I misread the page on it. Why the heck would you have a checkbox for HDR10?

No, its not a HDR display

[mossy gull]

It sells faster that way.

HDR10 is an open standard, unlike HDR12 and Dolby Vision.
So any manufacturer can put HDR10 on the box.

[sacred seal]

If they meet the reqirements

[mossy gull]

Many Vizio displays do the exact same thing, slap HDR10 on every box, even when it doesn't properly support it.

[sacred seal]

Freesync is a open standard, but it has to actually do it

Define properly support. HDR10 is a fairly lax standard. Basically all it gaurentees is 10 bit color, there is no brightness requirement

Which means its useless in 99% of cases

[mossy gull]

Unless you see HDR12, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1200, 1400, Dolby Vision or Technicolor.
Your display doesn't properly support HDR in any way.
The HDR10 badge is basically being abused just to sell a display

[sacred seal]

You are conflating looking good with properly supporting. I agree that HDR10 is not going to look good in HDR mode, but it will be a 10 bit display

[mossy gull]

Then how don't the G3 from my family members support 10-bit, but only 8-bit?
While they're certified HDR10.

[sacred seal]

Because I misread the label and they had a box that said HDR10 --------- No

So they are not HDR10 certified

To the origional point I have heard decent things about this display
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012018?Item=N82E16824012018&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=afc-ran-com-_-PCPartPicker&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-dCdhPWnNW_dH._SCf3cN3g
High refresh 1440 with HDR400 for 300$s

[mossy gull]

HDR10 is from Samsung, they made it open-source or open-standard so everyone can use it.

Unlike all the others, which are from VESA, Dolby and Technicolor.

[sacred seal]

Yes, everyone can use it assuming they support the requirements. Other then some low level stuff the only requirement for a display to be HDR10 is 10 bit color.

[mossy gull]

Which some don't even support, but hey, that HDR10 logo looks nice on the box, and because everyone wants an HDR display, but will never use it in any way, they can hide the lie.

[sacred seal]

Show me a HDR10 certified monitor that does not support 10 bit color

The g3 is not HDR10

[mossy gull]

I don't own monitors with fake HDR10.

But Vizio is very good with fake HDR10

[sacred seal]

Legally if Vizio puts HDR10 on the box, it has to support 10 bit color. If it does not, they could be sued. I cant find any lawsuits pertaining to them and HDR, so presumably they have not released any fake HDR displays

[mossy gull]

But who's gonna verify the HDR10 shinanigans?
There's dozens of fake HDR10 displays, you want to verify and sue all companies who do abuse the logo?

The display mainboard may support 10-bit, doesn't mean the panel does.

The Huawei MateView GT shows un the specs only 17 million colours, which is 8-bit, and rocks a HDR10 logo.
10-bit is 1 billion colours.

The iiyama G-Master GB3266QSU-B1 Red Eagle, LG UltraWide 29WP500 do the exact same thing

Just because a display rocks a HDR10 logo, doesn't mean anything these days.
It just means the monitor "support" HDR content, no matter how bad it is.

[sacred seal]

As far as I am aware none of the standards require 10 bit panels.

[mossy gull]

If HDR10 would be 10-bit, then tell NVidia to call the RTX 4090 laptop the 4080 Laptop.
They perform almost the same.

[sacred seal]

But if that is the argument you are making, then I misunderstood, and you are right

[mossy gull]

It's just a scam a lot of companies pull off

And they easily get away with it

That's why when browsing for any HDR display, see if they have a VESA HDR verification, then you know it supports 10-bit

[sacred seal]

Well it applies to all HDRs (HDR400-1000, Dolby vision), not just HDR10

Nope, vesa only requires 8 bit

[mossy gull]

Wait, VESA lowered their requirements?

😐

[sacred seal]

Its 10 bit image processing

And same far as I can tell with dolby

[mossy gull]

Dolby Vision requires at least 99% DCI-P3, which they say is 10-bit

Although it's very very vague, like Dolby

[sonic meadow]

Dci-p3 is a colour space not a bit depth though 🤔

[sacred seal]

Gamit and volume are different things

[mossy gull]

Like I said, Vague, it's hard to find, but Dolby Vision seems to need at least 10-bit.

Now I want to see what a Dolby Vision 12-bit looks like

[sonic meadow]

Vague and meaningless are two separate things :p

[sacred seal]

10bit input, not 10bit display

[sonic meadow]

A decent chunk of 10bit panels are actually 8bit using temporal colour magic

Same with 8bit actually being 6 or 7

[mossy gull]

No wonder 8-bit TN panels look absolute dogshite

[sacred seal]

TN is a entirely unrelated issue to the color depth of the panel

[mossy gull]

I am saying this because there's many very cheap TN monitors with that spec and they look horrendous

[sonic meadow]

Yeah. That's a separate issue

Imo all TN panels look like shite, but that's because of colours, contrast, and viewing angles

[sacred seal]

You could manufacture a IPS and a TN with true 8 bit and the TN still looks like dog shit

[mossy gull]

Also, what the F is HLG
My C1 supports it but I have no HLG content to test it

[sacred seal]

Some quick reading its SDR with additional metadata to make it look better on a hdr display

Useful for broadcast

[mossy gull]

So basically the true HDRn't

[sonic meadow]

It took them this long for something that should have been there at the start... Damn

Somewhat unrelated... I have an issue.

I want a 4070/ti 😢

[mossy gull]

I mean, there's many things that should've been there but aren't, I am not calling any names Apple

[mossy gull]

Get the Ti, not the 4070, there's almost a 20% performance gap and it's only 50.- difference in price.

[sonic meadow]

Where you are maybe 😆
(I haven't actually looked at price differences here)

[sacred seal]

Metadata seems to be the wrong word
nstead of starting with an HDR signal, HLG begins with a standard dynamic range (SDR) signal that any TV can use. The extra information for HDR rendering is added on, so an HDR TV that knows to look for this information can use it to display a broader range of colors and a wider range of brightness. To get a little more technical, HLG uses the same gamma curve that an SDR signal uses but adds a logarithmic curve with extra brightness over the top of the signal, hence the “log” and “gamma” in Hybrid Log Gamma.

[mossy gull]

HDRn't 😃

[mossy gull]

That's the MSRP😃
In my area they don't sell the non-Ti yet

[sonic meadow]

Cheapest for both:
4070: $1230
4070ti: $1600

[sacred seal]

Your NZ, right? Or am I remembering the wrong person?

[sonic meadow]

Yeah

[sacred seal]

How easy is it to get stuff in from ozzyland? Prices seem a bit lower over there (accounting for the dollar difference)

[sonic meadow]

Would hit import duties. AU prices are usually basically the same as ours (if not slightly worse)

[sacred seal]

1k start price for 4070 and 1300 for 4070ti

Granted thats in aud, but tack on 10% and thats still less then what you are looking at

No clue what import would be though

That could eat any savings

[sonic meadow]

1k comes up to about 170 in taxes/duties

[sacred seal]

Ah, OK, NVM then

[sonic meadow]

1.3k about 215

[sacred seal]

That is a lot more then I was expecting

[sonic meadow]

Plus support becomes awkward if it's needed

[sacred seal]

Between the canada and US boarder you are looking at less then 10% for import and taxes in most cases

[sonic meadow]

Including exchange rate the 1300 bucks comes out at around 1650 or so

[sacred seal]

Yea, not feasible

[sonic meadow]

Which is.. the same as here 😆

[mossy gull]

@sonic meadow
Why's NZ so expensive

[sacred seal]

Its not so much that its so expensive as it is that the dollar is weak

The rest is from the fact its logistically difficult to service

1 NZD is worth only 0.62usd

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: New Zealand is named after a province in the Netherlands called Zeeland😃
It's original name by the VoC was Nieuw Zeeland, later renamed to New Zealand😃
Oddly enough not New Sealand🧐

[sonic meadow]

Stuff has been expensive even when the dollars were closer. It's a combination of distance and "smaller" market

[mossy gull]

So what you're saying, it needs to go to the gym?

[cinder lagoon]

This thing aint gettin no firmware updates 🥴

[cinder lagoon]

This one for sure aint 10-bit

[jade scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028314607552565260/1097253984634413126/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_88ecb144-b526-46e1-856e-991c3b9b958a.jpg

Shit

[cinder lagoon]

That is indeed shit. Is that the jetson nano?
Would be fairly repairable tho since it only seems to be a single component. Short to ground through it?

[jade scaffold]

thats the carrier board

and i have no fucking idea what caused that

all i know is one moment there was no burning smell the next there was

[cinder lagoon]

What area is this capacitor in?

[jade scaffold]

next to the POE at the end of the sodim slot and on the opposite side of the PCB where the M.2 is

[cinder lagoon]

Are you using POE?

Anything on the other side? Potentially damaged PCB?

[mossy gull]

Shouldn't PoE autodetect?

[jade scaffold]

No poe is not being used

Nothing on the opposite side of the pcb

[jade scaffold]

The poe through holes aren't even occupied

[cinder lagoon]

Yes, PoE does some sort of auto detecting, if it's not a passive injector or something.

[cinder lagoon]

Does the device still work?

Can you send some files of PCB schematics for this board? I can read them and check what this one's for.

And probably why it could've failed

[jade scaffold]

No it's dead

The capacitor has gone from a capacitor to a fucking resistor

And you aren't gonna be able to figure out why it failed just from the pcb design

[sonic meadow]

Might tell us what fed it, and therefore where an errant voltage spike or reverse might have come from

[jade scaffold]

I can't find any pcb schematics anywhere the carrier board is the seeed studio j202 if you wanna try look for yourself

What ever the capacitor does it's important as without it not even the power led lights up

And this is the component that failed

[cinder lagoon]

Okay I'll have a look

[jade scaffold]

If you look at the damage pic I sent it looks like the pcb is also damaged arround the top cap but weather or not this is a result of the capacitor burning up or the cause is still a mystery

[cinder lagoon]

Well if you have a multimeter you could start by measuring resistance to ground on the contacts of that cap.
If it is low your board is damaged

Resistance with the cap removed at least means broken PCB

[jade scaffold]

Or I could just send it back honestly no sense in spending money to fix it when I can just be sent a new one

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh I thought that would be off the table because you damaged it yourself

But a blown cap usually doesn't just happen without user intervention

[jade scaffold]

I literally hadn't touched it in a day and it ate shit

Also caps are literally the most common thing to just up and die

[cinder lagoon]

They can die due to manufacturing defects but if nothing works anymore this one has been victim of a short or similar

Caps are basically 1MO resistors if they don't malfunction

[jade scaffold]

There is nothing I have done to it that would cause a short

[cinder lagoon]

Short could happen internally, both in the cap or on the board. Something on there is shorted out.

[jade scaffold]

It's probs a bad cap tbh it was completely out of no where

[cerulean helm]

Any phone gurus here? I have a brand new s23 that the setup wizard keeps crashing on. Tried factory reset and cache wipe.

[amber fable]

Sounds like return time TBH. How sure are you that it is actually brand new?

[cerulean helm]

It arrived in its sealed box from Samsung. I was able to get it activated just not via my end. For whatever reason my phone carrier had to manually activate it.

[cinder lagoon]

Ahhh, yee ol carrier ROMs, probably faulty from the factory...

[pearl moon]

Something made me decide to make my old family pc into a NAS, and man it's been a headache

Though i hope most of it's issues will be fixed by formatting the drive

Cause rn it's still on win7, and my parents have stuff on their that i have to pull off before i can format it

Had to go to the thrift store to get a VGA cable and compatible monitor, luckily they had such a thing, and the monitor also has full YPbPr component so i can run my OG Xbox and wii on it.

[cinder lagoon]

You should get yourself a TrueNAS installer and set it up with a tutorial. It's the most versatile and probably best free solution.

The effort between using W10 and TrueNAS as a NAS is about the same but Windows sucks at it.

[pearl moon]

I'd rather use a dedicated nas os, as the pc in question was not very good even when we got it

it's a small cheap 2010 eMachines desktop

It's something athlon

[cinder lagoon]

TrueNAS it is, then.
Or linux at least, is more or less the same in this scenario.
Does it have gigabit LAN or do you want to use it via WiFi?

[pearl moon]

It has some sorta lan atleast, idk about wifi

But i'd rather use the cable if i can

Much more stable that way

I'm still in the planning stages tho

I got the pc to boot into the omv installer atleast. i'm not committed to omv at all, was just the first one i found so i could make sure i could even boot from usb

[cinder lagoon]

Hah good

I'd pull the drive and just connect it to another PC.

Even tho windows' user system prevents you from accessing the users folders, you can just click "I'm the admin, gimme access"

[pearl moon]

Yeah

Glad i have a sata to usb already

i just gotta go through it with my mom to make sure i'm not getting rid of anything she wants to keep

And do the same with my grandparents old hard drives, then i will have quite a few drives, but only 2 of them are 500gb afaik

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh I'd just clone the drive to a virtual disk so you can start doing the NAS part

Can use the Sysutils DiskToVhd

Getting new drives would certainly be my way to go tho.
Would set up the 2 500GB disks in raid0 for non-important data like backups (how likely is it that both the source and the backup fail at the same time!?) and put important stuff in raid1 or raid5 on 2/3 new 2TB drives

[pearl moon]

The 2 500gb will just be game .ISOs for my ps2 and emulators on my pc, and backed up music. Then like you said i wanna eventually expand it with a few other drives for other things

will i need to setup a 3rd smaller disk to run the system off of, or can i just do that with one of the 500gb disks?

[cinder lagoon]

If you go raid5/raid10 (more expandable) I would choose 3+ 2TB drives, if not I'd say choose bigger raid1 disks

[cinder lagoon]

NAS systems usually boot of a small (4G) USB drive which stores the configuration and stuff

[pearl moon]

Oh ok sweet

[cinder lagoon]

You could use a disk but you'd waste the majority of it

[pearl moon]

yeah

[pearl moon]

Could you go into more detail on what this is? I'm still new and trying to learn

[cinder lagoon]

Yea sure

When using a virtual machine for example, the programs makes a file on your hard drive that stores everything of that virtual PC (Operatiing system, user files, etc) it is a virtual disk

Windows supports using these virtual disk files as a regular disk/USB.
You can "image" the real disk to a virtual disk file to preserve the data and then wipe the real ones so you can start before going through everything on the actual machine.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/disk2vhd
Use this program for it. You will be able to just doubleclick it (if needed, assign a drive letter) and browse it through windows explorer just like it would be with a real disk

Tho make sure to check the "use .vhdx" box, the file format is superior to vhd.

A virtual disk file is most likely smaller than the size of the physical disk. These formats support only storing the used space of the real disk and expand the file as needed.

[pearl moon]

Wait so let me clarify. I store a virtual copy of the disk on my pc, format the original, then put it back into my NAS machine to set everything up?

[cinder lagoon]

Yea basically.
Test the virtual copy first tho

[pearl moon]

Wdym

[cinder lagoon]

See if you can open it etc, open some images or whatever to see if the data got stored correctly

[pearl moon]

ah yeah

[deft star]

that is very much user choice and not a general rule

[cinder lagoon]

Have you ever used a NAS os? It is the "default" option for basically all of them

[pearl moon]

Certainly seems like the easiest for me, cause otherwise that's another thing i'd have to buy

When i have plenty of little usb drives lying around

But yeah, my first goal with the nas is to be able to set it up to be able to load games to my ps2 using it

Cause yeah that's something people have figured out how to do on ps2

And i'd like to use it for music storage for my pc and my phone

[cinder lagoon]

Understandable but beware of the Armco rules

[pearl moon]

Oh it's all legal

flacs are just big

[mossy gull]

WAVs are big😃

[pearl moon]

and the ps2 games are rips of my own physical copies cause my ps2's disc drive broke, but i pulled the sata disc drive out of the to-be-NAS

I love when i get a windows defender notification as soon as i plug in the hdd

[cinder lagoon]

Technically not legal but ethically fine imo

[sonic meadow]

depends on where you are, and local laws

[mossy gull]

In many countries it isn't piracy if you don't upload it and/or sell it.

[sonic meadow]

precisely

if your backups are just for yourself, and not shared or sold, then its okay

[mossy gull]

But I know in some countries it's a crime to temper with files, this includes copying stuff off a disc.

But those are in the minority

[pearl moon]

@cinder lagoon yeah something tells me truenas ain't the play

[sonic meadow]

if you are under 8TB (or so) of storage then its likely to be fine

[pearl moon]

It's having me install to a disk

Do i use a 2nd usb?

[sonic meadow]

... maybe? its been a while since i have set up truenas tbh. I might have installed it to a disk anyway 🤔

[pearl moon]

Well i just have the one disk for now

As i'm just testing it

[cinder lagoon]

It only needs some ram to calculate some parity data or cache some stuff but I doubt it's gonna be an issue.

Afaik you burn the image directly to the USB

Not use it as an installer

Been a while tho

[sonic meadow]

there own setup guide mentions having two usb's connected during install

Make sure that both the boot device and the TrueNAS installation media are inserted in the machine that you chose to run TrueNAS.

apparently booting from usb flash storage hasnt been recommended for a few years now 🤔

and that a small ssd or dom is recommended (because they last much longer)

[pearl moon]

This is just short term learning how it works rn, not long term anything

If truenas doesn't run, i know this system is within omv specs

Omv is 1gb minimum vs truenas's 8gb

My install Usb is not showing up in install list, but the boot usb is

[pearl moon]

Yeah somethings up with this system and usb, it's now refusing to boot if a usb disk is connected, i'm having to boot to win7, then restart into the usb boot disk

and truenas installer is refusing to acknowledge my already formatted 4gb drive

[pearl moon]

The only other thing i can think of is using my main pc to install truenas to the usb, then use it on the nas, or try omv

Or just actually use like a 120 or 240gb hdd for truenas

which is a waste

[sonic meadow]

heh, the 120GB SSD in mine has... 1.1G used apparently

[pearl moon]

Yeah, cause it refuses to boot anything with usb disks plugged in

It hangs on the boot screen

like, the one that the manufacturer of the pc/mobo puts their logo on

I hate going to bed after spending hours on a project only to come up empty handed

I'll either try again tomorrow, or next week when my spare power cable comes in for it, i've been swapping my main pc's power cable back and forth.

[sonic meadow]

oh damn, that kind of thing gets really irritating really quick

[pearl moon]

here's the specs if anyone's curious 😆

if it was ddr4 i'd be fine ram wise, i have a spare kit of 16gb ddr4 2400mhz i accidentally bought.

but ddr4 ain't exactly backwards compatible

[sonic meadow]

oh god, ddr2

[pearl moon]

Oh it's not even dual core

[sonic meadow]

Just reached in to the drawer next to me and pulled out 4GB (attached to a zotac atom+ion board 😆)

[pearl moon]

Fml

Shit, do i go back to the thrift store tomorrow and buy the $10 pentium 4 mobo and transplant it? (Assuming it fits which i doubt)

Nvm pentium 4 is worse

I thought it was dual core lmao

[sonic meadow]

nah, would need to be a pentium D for that (and even some of those were single core)

[pearl moon]

In that case i should be able to run omv, as it's min spec is pentium 4, 1gb ram

Truenas is dual core, 8gb min

[sonic meadow]

the pentium dual core (which wasnt actually a pentium... smh intel), which was a low cost Core series processor instead of one from the "pentium" lines, which were old tech then

[pearl moon]

Yeah like i said at the start, it's a bottom of the barrel 2010 desktop, or maybe even older than that

i assume the only reason it has 2gb ram is to run win7

[mossy gull]

I remember that time, when AMD actually got hyper threading and crushed Intel like no tomorrow.

[sonic meadow]

AMD did a full dual core setup before intel (intels were two cpus on one board, rather than two cpus on one bit of silicon). not quite sure about the hyperthreading timeline tbh

[mossy gull]

Oh wait, I mixed things up, yes it was AMD who got multiple cores and destroyed Intel like no other

[sonic meadow]

what this functionally meant for the Pentium D chips was that each CPU was running half the FSB (so instead of 800MHz they were each getting 400Mhz)

[mossy gull]

No wonder they were so terrible

[cinder lagoon]

CRAP
even tho I googled before the ax210 (E+A key) I bought doesn't fit into my M-key motherboard... who would have thought...
Off to ebay then, getting a converter board which also connects to USB for power it seems

[sonic meadow]

whoops

[mossy gull]

I personally never heard of an E+A key

[cinder lagoon]

There are like up to M keys and some of them are combinable

[cinder lagoon]

It's apparently the standard for WiFi cards

[sonic meadow]

nah, the USB isnt for power. its because E and A both have USB 2.0 capability

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh crap, you would expect that M key also supports USB

Since it does PCIe x4

[sonic meadow]

nah. pcie x4, sata, and smbus

(should have pasted the whole table the first time)

B key does usb 2.0 and 3.0 though

DisplayPort on A key is interesting though

[cinder lagoon]

...wondering why motherboards don't have at least one B key since at leats one of the ports is shared with SATA or whatever anyways

[sonic meadow]

because it doesnt offer anything for consumer use that M key doesnt, but has less PCIe lanes

[cinder lagoon]

It is the most versatile tho

[sonic meadow]

the interesting thing about A and E though is that they offer two PCIe endpoint by the look of it. ie you can split it without bifurcation

eh, most of the devices people are going to want to connect to the ssd slot are... ssds. for add-in cards there are the full pcie slots (though getting to be less of them).
the USB and audio are better off broken out directly than being routed via a card (though you could have internal USB bus devices that way). and the other stuff is... niche

[cinder lagoon]

Also: what the heck is "Future Memory Interface"? :D

[sonic meadow]

hmmm

[cinder lagoon]

Cant find anything bout it

[sonic meadow]

neither

Some parts of the M.2 standard are fading into obscurity, and are no longer accessible on laptops out there – if they’ve ever been in the first place. If you want to go down a rabbithole, the M.2 Electromechanical Specification Rev1.0 document can be found online, and you can learn a lot from its 201 pages. For instance, you will find that the F-key is reserved for some obscure thing called Future Memory Interface, no doubt a shelved Intel project only described on some Blogspot page that’s not even indexed by Google anymore.
(emph mine)

which is so far the only reference I have found other than the keying lists...

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh absolutely makes sense xD

Here I was, thinking that M.2 is one of the holy grails of component connectivity

[sonic meadow]

and this, which suggests it might get used for things using the connector that arent m.2

[cinder lagoon]

Yayyyy the nuclear energy in Germany is being replaced by fckn coal🙄🫠

Also: props to google for translating "Kohle" as Money instead of Coal... totally out of context lol

[jade scaffold]

yea for some reason they decided to do that because german politicians and green activists have 0 fucking clue how nuclear power actually works

[jade scaffold]

Look what i finally got my hands on

[sacred seal]

Why a U.2?

[jade scaffold]

a few factors Price, Reliability, Software compatibility

also storage density I cant get as many M.2s of the same storage amount for the same price that would fit onto 1 PCIE Slot

[sacred seal]

M.2 and U.2 are the same thing, just with different interfaces. You can put 4 m.2 drives on a pcie or 4 u.2 (though I guess u.2 allows you to mount the drives elsewhere in the case easier). I guess you found those u.2 drives dirt cheap though, u.2 hardware tends to cost way more then m.2

[jade scaffold]

YES I KNOW

if you read what i said i said i cannot get the same ammount of storeage in 1 slot for the same price

[sacred seal]

So you got these drives for about 100$s each? Well thats a steal

[jade scaffold]

less than

about 90 each

[sacred seal]

New? Or refurbed?

[jade scaffold]

for 2tb with well over half their life time left which means they have well over the life time of any m.2 drive in exsistance bar some optane drives pretty much

[jade scaffold]

refurbed

[sacred seal]

Ah, that explains the price then

[jade scaffold]

some data centre just phased them out im lucky i saw them they have only been on ebay for a day and there was only 5 left

they put up like 200 of them and they just vanished lmao

[sacred seal]

Strictly speaking m.2 would still be cheaper (70 per drive with a cheaper interface), but these are higher performance

[jade scaffold]

what M.2s are you finding that are 35 per tb

what?

[sacred seal]

80*, sorry typo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2vVmP6/intel-670p-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu020tzx1

[jade scaffold]

not available in the UK

cheapst you can get in the UK is 1tb Crucial P3s

[sacred seal]

Ah, we are talking pounds, not dollards

[jade scaffold]

which is £45 ish which is still really good

but then i'd need far more expansion to hold them which i dont have

[sacred seal]

Well what kind of u.2 interface are you running?

Most of the ones I found were over 100$s

And that is in USD

[jade scaffold]

as in the adapter card from PCIE to the u.2 Mini SAS port thingys

[sacred seal]

Yea

[jade scaffold]

i have no idea what it is or who made it

all i know is that it worked and it was taken from an old server that upgraded

was free

[sacred seal]

So cheaper still

Yea, that is a real good deal then

[jade scaffold]

yup

[sacred seal]

Do they still have any of there 5 year warrenty left?

[jade scaffold]

i belive they do

[pearl moon]

No wifi 😆

it has none

Fixed

It's not letting me type a password

Nvm i'm dumb

It just doesn't show anything in the password field

I got into root, admin needs network tho

Which means i need to go get an ethernet cable

Turns out my usb issues with not booting were just truenas, omv install had no problems with hanging

Which makes sense considering this system is way under truenas's minspec

[pearl moon]

Well, i got the nas kinda working, i can log into the web control panel, but now i'm more or less lost

Completely overwhelmed with options lmao

[pearl moon]

Ok, it's fully working, have read/write access on my phone now

@cinder lagoon @sonic meadow thanks for the encouragement to stick with it

[sonic meadow]

On the subject of servers... Am finally replacing the scratch disc on my server, and apparently it's slightly unhappier than I thought. (The time remaining has stayed fairly consistent for the last 20 hours)

[sonic meadow]

Yay!

[pearl moon]

Yeah that's a little bit of uptime

[pearl moon]

Maybe you could help me real quick? I logged out of the web interface during an update, and now i can't get in to it. I tried rebooting the system and still no dice

It goes into the dashboard for a second, then right back to the login page

Nvm i found the command to continue the update, so i guess i'll just leave it running overnight

Found the problem, usb boot drive got full

Which means reinstall on bigger usb

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh oof

[tender plank]

Why the hell does all the high end memory look like trash? I just want good, speed, I don't want my computer to look like a dictator's bathroom.
https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/20-374-254-V01.jpg

Like, why can't I get this with high specs?
https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/20-226-993-01.jpg?ex=2

[cinder lagoon]

true, simple heat spreaders should also be an option on the high end...
however I think the heatspreaders on those kits generally are better at cooling so maybe they serve their purpose that way? 🤔

[jade scaffold]

The ballistics series of ram have high end speeds and are pretty simple and industrial looking

[sonic meadow]

Here you go:

I had that fan (still do somewhere) and the matching ddr2 Corsair dominator

2x1GB pc2-8500 cl...15?

Actually had four sticks, but it was two different revisions at different voltage 😦

[tender plank]

Doesn't seem like Crucial carries the Ballistics in 64GB kits.

[cinder lagoon]

Well, do you mean 2x32G? Because depending on platform those are too tall for the ballistics heatsink iirc

[pearl moon]

Those are discontinued tho, but you might still be able to find existing stock

[jade scaffold]

Let there be ssd

[jade scaffold]

Sad they were nice looking kits

how about Corsair ram

they have vengeance and dominator

dominator i think it their higher end shiz

[cinder lagoon]

Still RGB tho xD

[cinder lagoon]

What exactly are you looking for in your RAM? Price worthy? Industrial look? Highest performance?

[pearl moon]

Can always turn the rgb off

[pearl moon]

Whoever's pc that is has the ram slots wrong. Are they using 2 and 3? Wtf

[sonic meadow]

Nope, looks like it's using the only two slots. The other slot is a ssd daughterboard

[pearl moon]

What ssd daughterboard? The ones google is pulling up are either for pcie slots, or for non-atx boards.

[sonic meadow]

DIMM.2

[pearl moon]

Ah i see, thx

I wish i had more than 2 m.2 drives

[cinder lagoon]

More drives or more slots? :D

DIMM.2 is an ASUS-Standart afaik

[pearl moon]

though i also wish i had bought a 2tb m.2 as my 2nd drive instead of the 1tb i got

[pearl moon]

I guess both

i guess i could get a pcie m.2 board if i really wanted

[sonic meadow]

The issue is that you need the pcie lanes. And afaik each m.2 drive is 4 lanes

[pearl moon]

i have a spare x16

[sonic meadow]

Physical or electrical?

[cinder lagoon]

It is probably only wired with 8x tho

[sonic meadow]

Usually the second x16 is only x8 or x4

[cinder lagoon]

I see an E key - I'm sad cuz I need a converter for it :/

[pearl moon]

I don't use it, i run ethernet and a usb bluetooth adapter

[cinder lagoon]

Heh oof how much did you pay for the bluetooth adapter? :D

[pearl moon]

$30

Still cheaper than the wifi mobo tho

[cinder lagoon]

Okay thats major cap lol

The best current intel card costs 20€

[pearl moon]

No i mean cheaper than the wifi version of the mobo

Not cheaper than a wifi m.2

[cinder lagoon]

Not speaking CAD, are you?

[pearl moon]

usd

this pc was also put together right after lockdown, so prices were all over the place

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh yes, thats understandably true lol

[pearl moon]

I'm still glad my friend sold me his 2070 super for $500, when online prices were $1000

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh yea those really were desperate times

[pearl moon]

They're like $300 NIB nowadays

[inland dove]

That looks so bad lol.

[jade scaffold]

dam it this U.2 card is just a PCIE Splitter its not running the drives through an onboard chipset first B550s only have 1 functioning X16 slot as well the other ones are all pinned out like X16 slots but either run in X4 mode or in X2 mode why you like this

[jade scaffold]

jeeez thats alot

[pearl moon]

Yeah, if i had spent $500 today instead of 2 years ago i could've gotten a new 3070ti

[jade scaffold]

i got my 1080ti for £400

[pearl moon]

Or a used 3080

[jade scaffold]

and now my Sound card isnt working :I

i know it works

just for some dipshit reaon not in the X1 slot

the X1 slots dont even share bandwidth with anything

and like the sound card is showing up as being there and it lit up and everything kinda feeling like a windows being borderline dysfunctional

[pearl moon]

What soundcard is it?

[cinder lagoon]

A soundcard might need more than x1, depending on how it interfaces

[pearl moon]

If it's an EVGA soundcard, you might have to dual boot a 2020 version of win10 to install and configure the firmware

assuming that even works, haven't tried it yet myself

[jade scaffold]

The sound cards interface is x1

Tho I think the issue is the x1 slots are pcie 1.0

[pearl moon]

could be

I think the soundcard would have that specified somewhere

[jade scaffold]

Which couldn't even use sata it's so slow

[pearl moon]

What soundcard is it tho?

[jade scaffold]

Sound blaster AE7

[pearl moon]

I couldn't find anything about pcie requirement

Microcenter just says pcie x1

[pearl moon]

Audio doesn't actually use much data

The highest bitrate flac file i've ever downloaded was 3000Kbps

[tender plank]

Sound data is miniscule. Even 1x on modern motherboards is overkill.

[pearl moon]

most music is 320Kbps mp3

Which is 40KB/s

Pcie 1.0 is 250MB/s

[tender plank]

You'd be hard pressed to find a new in box device these days with PCIe 3.0 let alone 1.0.

[pearl moon]

my asrock b550 mobo only has 1 pcie 4.0 slot, rest are 3.0

[tender plank]

Huh, interesting.

[jade scaffold]

Maybe the sound card just doesn't support being run at pcie 1 speeds

[pearl moon]

It 100% does

[jade scaffold]

Worked fine in the pcie 3.0 slot

But not in the 1.0

[pearl moon]

then why not keep it in the 3.0 slot?

[jade scaffold]

Because I was gonna use it for the u.2 card

It's going back in the 3.0 slot now as the u.2 splitter is just a hardware splitter and can't run things plugged into it through just an x4 lane

Kinda annoying the sound card won't run on pcie 1.0 but hey ho

[pearl moon]

Could be that the slot on the mobo might not be working either

[jade scaffold]

Nope slots working fine

It knows the card is there it actively shows in the Bois the slot being occupied

And neither of the x1 slots work

Well with the sound card anyway

Don't have anything else I can cram into one

[pearl moon]

Weird

Might be worth asking support if it doesn't support 1.0 if you're actually curious if it's a design issue or something isn't right with the unit you purchased.

[jade scaffold]

while all PCIE Devices are electronically compatible not all are software compatible the computer picks up the exsistance of the card it can identify it but for some reason cant send sound to it if it can pick it up and identify it chances are its some kind of software limitation

doesnt matter anyway

if i want to be able to use these U.2 drives on the PC im most likely gonna need a new Mobo B550s extremely limits what slots can do what

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmm... decided to fiddle with Windows group policies cause I found you can prevent windows from automatically installing drivers for specific devices or manufacturers...
Blacklisted both, AMD and nVidea GPUs to the policy, clicked "apply to already installed devices"...
immediate blackscreen.

Turns out, this also counts for manually installed drivers (generally all drivers), not just windows update...

At least group policies seem to not apply in safe mode

🗒️ note to self: don't do that. Windows is stupid and indescriptive about things it will do.

Windows startup repair will at least also find this group policy and disable it for you

[olive fiber]

Welp, finally did it. https://imgur.com/Q4rfaln

Got rid of the dell

And now have all the rainbows

[mossy gull]

Nice Corsair rig

[jade scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483384952487018506/1101811180957339668/IMG_20230429_110342.jpg

New mobo for my brothers PC and new CPU

also repasted the GPU

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/483384952487018506/1101814555220389999/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_6f8e0d7e-e11a-4719-8683-8798d7d54d59.jpg

trusty ol 1080ti

[pearl moon]

how many times has that 1080ti been repasted?

[jade scaffold]

4 times now

its very old its been through alot

[pearl moon]

My 2070 super got repasted a few times before i got it

I haven't done one yet cause my friend repasted it for me when he sold it to me

and idk if i will

[ionic tusk]

Looks like I need to replace my ram I-I or rma the kits

Gonna see if I get a bios update first if it fixes anything

[mossy gull]

That's a weird BIOS screen

[ionic tusk]

It’s memtest86

[ionic tusk]

Does your motherboard not have memtest built in?

[mossy gull]

Not like that.
I have the Asus UI

[ionic tusk]

I did it from the asus bios ui it gave me a thing to press to open memtest

[ionic tusk]

I’ll take a photo once I’m done with it still running no errors after bios update

Will go back to testing stability with prime 95 trying to get rid of the freezing of pc

[ionic tusk]

Second run so far so good

[sacred seal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI&ab_channel=GamersNexus
Seems like Asus ffed up its OCP on its 600 series boards causing them to explode
Also most vendor have issues with there 600 series bioses

[ionic tusk]

@mossy gull bios update later fixed

[ionic tusk]

Don’t really know if it’s just asus

That will cause explosion

@mossy gull top right memtest

[mossy gull]

And I have it in just that UI

[cinder lagoon]

Anybody know of some site like PCpartpicket but for smart home devices?
Looking to buy EU Window Shade wall switches/controllers (controllers as in "set shades to half closed" etc)
Obviously choosing z-wave / zigbee devices and they better have some form of HomeAssistant integration, local only is preferred.

[mossy gull]

You lazy bugger, well sadly I don't, I think it's best to look for shops that sell them and if they have 1 of the 2 or both signals

[cinder lagoon]

Hmmmm darnit

[mossy gull]

Sadly I currently stay away from "Smart home" devices till their security gets better

[cinder lagoon]

Btw Discord is finally getting that more or less full markdown support...
It was already enabled but they found some security issues and had to pull it again.
Somewhere along the lines of

Heading 2

and Text

[mossy gull]

Ofcoarse, but Discord's support is still sub-par

I am waiting till Ubiquiti releases smart lamps or Hue support

At least Ubiquiti is mostly safe

[cinder lagoon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pain-harold-hide-the-WTmyWkBdfcKLbgvmvM

...this image is making me uncomfortable...

[mossy gull]

Why

[cinder lagoon]

Uhmmm where was I?
Ahh yes:
Ubiquity will most likely not make smart home gear.

They are a networking company and afaik stick to the broad Ethernet stuff

Also: what do you find particularly unsafe about smart home devices?

Z-wave and zigbee both have AES encryption

[mossy gull]

Says you, they have a doorbell that can unlock a smart lock, 360° security cameras and more weird shit I never knew they were building

[cinder lagoon]

Ohhh okay wtf didnt know that

[mossy gull]

Last time, a half year ago I read an article how easy it was to hack a z-wave hub, and thanks to that intrude the network it was on.

[cinder lagoon]

Physical access?

[mossy gull]

Actually the doorbell supports NFC unlock and fingerprint unlock.
Which is kinda cool.

[mossy gull]

Nope, WiFi access.
Because as soon you surpass the "security" which isn't that hard these days, most hubs had the logs for grabs, which did include the WiFi password

[cinder lagoon]

First off - thats unreasonably stupid to write passwords to plaintext logs. Shame on that company in that regard.
Second - Why would a z-wave device need WiFi? As a hub it should probably just have a wired connection.

But good to know! Gonna be avoiding that! Also I'll keep to thigns like lights and blinds

[mossy gull]

The devices don't need it, but their hubs want it.
And that's why I rather stay away from them for now.
You may have no problems though, but my family has an family enemy, so for me better safe than sorry

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh okay ^^'

Then I'm sure you know about "LockPickingLawyer" and which locks are absolutely useless and which aren't

[mossy gull]

Yep, I preferably want the outside lock to "disappear", preferably hidden

[amber fable]

Huh. Looks like ASUS doesn't even have OCP for all intents and purposes.

[barren juniper]

so if you plan on getting an x3d chip dont get an asus board got it

then again im still waiting for the 7600x3d

for me efficiency is more important than anything

otherwise i would already have a 13900ks and 4090

[cinder lagoon]

If you plan on getting a 7000 chip, don't get any of the motherboards until this issue is resolved.

And not half-assed bios updates that may or may not have resolved this issue temporarily

[barren juniper]

i would, but the one i really want (the 6 core) hasnt been announced yet

not sure why they made the 7900x3d though

honestly, i dont think they know why they made it either, considering they did not seed it to reviewers

[cinder lagoon]

Well, it's a middle ground between productivity and gaming, optimized for gaming

[mossy gull]

The 7800X3D, 7900X3D and 7950X3D all have the same X3D chip.

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh, so just different bins then

[mossy gull]

Well, basically on the 7800X3D all it's cores are able to use the X3D, on the 7900X3D and 7950X3D only the 1st 8.
So they basically share the 1st 8 cores, just 1 is clocked slightly higher than the other.

To have the 7600X3D, they have to make an entire new die.

Keep in mind AMD CPUs, or well the more core variants are just multiple chips bound together instead of an entirely different chip

[barren juniper]

oh, for some reason i thought the 7900x3d had the 6 core ccd with the vcache and the second 6 core ccd did not. my bad

[mossy gull]

To my knowledge it has a 8-core CCD and 4-core CCD

[sacred seal]

Its 6 and 6

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-7900x3d-has-6-active-cores-in-each-chiplet

[mossy gull]

Maybe they're chips with deactivated cores, that's also a possibility.
But then AMD won't tell much

[sacred seal]

Its almost certain that they are deactivated/ non functional cores

[sacred seal]

Too my knowledge all of the dead boards so far are Asus. Not that other vendors are off the hook for killing CPUs, but my understanding is that most of that is from bios controlled systems, not deflective hardware.

If your CPU dies because of this AMD will replace it, but Asus has not yet committed to replacing there boards as far as I am aware

[mossy gull]

Even then, Asus is probably gonna fix it 1st before they'll replace the entirety of dead boards.

[mossy gull]

So it can be that the 7600 is a completely different chip compared to the 7900X3D

It could be that the 7600 is a dedicated 6-core instead of an 8-core with deactivated cores.

[sacred seal]

If Asus had plans to replace boards that have died with new boards after the problem has been resolved they would have announced it. As they have not offered to replace any of the affected boards as of yet, its safe to assume that they are waiting to see how big public backlash is

Right now you have to go through the RMA system, and if approved you have to pay shipping one way

Given AMDs history, it would be very weird for them to manufacture a 6 core specific chip, expecially since the 7900 and 7600 are using the 8 core dies

[mossy gull]

This is different per country though, if a board dies within warranty period in my country they most likely will take it in for free, we don't have to pay shipping, only if it's bought from a company outside the EU.

[sacred seal]

Yea, but that is the country policy, not Asus

You can't give asus the benefit of the doubt because they are following the law

AMD is comiting to replace any of there CPUs and ship both ways (within the US, they have not guaranteed free shipping elsewhere yet), when arguably the CPU itself not at fault. This is the proper way to handle the situation. The fact that Asus is not matching AMD when the problem is very clearly there fault speaks volumes. They may be better with customers then other companies, but they are a corporation and will happily screw over the customer if they think they can get away with it.

And that is assuming that they accept "CPU exploded" as a valid reason for RMA, because technically the board did not fail

Same way vendors won't replace hardware if your AIO starts leaking and kills them

I have not heard any reports ither way on this though, so we will have to wait and see what Asus ultimately does.

[mossy gull]

Am I the only fucker who wants to direct die cool my future PC?

[sacred seal]

Yes, because
A- it is very easy to kill the CPU
B- It is very difficult to mount a cooler
C- It may not even be possible/ beneficial with MCM type CPUs

D- The thermal gains are fairly minimal

[mossy gull]

Tell that to Derbauer.

[sacred seal]

As far as I am aware Derbauer does not run a delidded chip in his rig

[jade scaffold]

he just made a part thats easy to mount that can be made to work with nearly any cooler

[sacred seal]

Oh, NVM then, that is nice

[jade scaffold]

the thermal improvements are quite good too

[sacred seal]

for intel or AMD?

[mossy gull]

Yes

[jade scaffold]

you're talking way higher clocks

people seem to forget modern processors are self overclocking

[mossy gull]

https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/583-ryzen-7000-direct-die-frame-en

[jade scaffold]

they will boost as much as they possibly can within safe limits

if you drop temps by 10C a CPUs just gonna up clocks and power consumption till that 10C difference is gone

[sacred seal]

Did intel stop doing soldered IHSs?

[mossy gull]

Am I the only fucker who power limits the CPU

[jade scaffold]

no

[mossy gull]

Long time ago

[jade scaffold]

intel do Soldered IHS's now too again because they need it

the issue is that the IHS on AMD and Intel CPUs are SHIT

and that mainly comes down to the insane volume they are made at

[mossy gull]

This is why I want to direct die cooling.

[jade scaffold]

AMDs7000 serise IHS are like 4mm thick it makes fast thermal transfer nearly impossible

[sacred seal]

I know they started with I think the 8th gen, and that is when delidding largely died out because A- delidding soldered CPUs without killing them is exceptionally difficult, and B- Thermal gains were fairly minimal

[jade scaffold]

deliding soldered CPUs is not difficult

its more of a process than none Soldered ones sure

but difficult lmao

no

theres more tools than ever now to delid CPUs safely and easilly

[sacred seal]

Seems like debauer is only releasing stuff for 8th and 9th gen intel, or am I missing something

[jade scaffold]

you are missing somthing

[mossy gull]

AM5 delidding tool
https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/en/products/595-amd-ryzen-7000-delid-die-mate-en

[sacred seal]

The page you linked only shows 9th and skylake x CPUs

[jade scaffold]

i watched a video literally today of him showing off this new super easy to mount heat spreader hes planning on releaseing for Ryzen 7000

[sacred seal]

Ah, so its not out yet, that explains why its not showing up

[jade scaffold]

10-15C

[sacred seal]

Yea, that is pretty good

[jade scaffold]

thats going from Silicon degradation temps to actually safe temps

and it works with the majority of coolers

[sacred seal]

Still be concerned with someone bumping the desk having the die crack though

[jade scaffold]

not really how that works but ayo

nearly 20C improvement with a Offset bracket

[mossy gull]

I am surprised laptops survive that much then, they're basically all direct die cooling.

[jade scaffold]

and GPUS

GPUs with their coolers vastly heavier than CPUS

[sacred seal]

Well not with a AIO, but a big tower cooler and no real support protecting the CPU itself

[jade scaffold]

the CPUs still protected tho

the Mobo the Back plate the heat spreader itself are all protecting it

[mossy gull]

Tell that to thin and light laptops that get tortured everyday as a work laptop on-the-go

[jade scaffold]

YO They're making this too Direct Di Water block if i get a ryzen 7000 this is going on it

[sacred seal]

With direct die cooling, all the weight of the cooler is in direct contact with the die. This is not a problem with GPUs and Laptops becuse the bit that actually contacts the die is fairly light weight

[mossy gull]

That's 1 sexy block

[sacred seal]

And every well mounted

[mossy gull]

I prefer watercooling anyways

[jade scaffold]

except we aren't talking direct di we are talking delid and replacing heatspreaders

[sacred seal]

It looks like the spacer used for cooler mounting is slightly smaller then the hight of the die

[mossy gull]

Anyways, I am gonna nap, too tired to stay awake.

[jade scaffold]

honest to god these kinda heatspreaders should come standard

infact direct die should be standard

you can just do what large GPU chips do

and put a big metal box that prevents a cooler from crushing the di

[sacred seal]

Ok, again I misunderstood what you are talking about. I was looking at an different vid talking about direct die. Finally found the correct video

I thought we were talking about putting a d15 or something directly on a die

In that case I think I am warranted in believing that a bump of the desk would kill a CPU

[jade scaffold]

they should just have CPUs like this

this makes it so mounting a cooler directly to the di isnt gonna crush the di

it improves thermals

it does mean users have to be more carefull to cover the di

but there are ultra high performance thermal pads that exsist

[sacred seal]

Only if the "gaurd" material is taller then the die, and is resistant enough that some sudden jolt wont cause it to bend in

[jade scaffold]

the guard material doesnt have to be taller than the Die

as its further out than the di if the cooler is put under pressure guess what happens it then peels away from the di because thats how moments work

and if you are putting enough pressure on a CPU to BEND ALUMINIUM your mobo and by extension probably the CPUs PCB is toast anyway

so as long as the guard thing is as tall as the di its nearly impossible for a jolt to cause a CPU cooler to crack the di

[sacred seal]

The risk is that some sudden impulse will cause the cooler to transfer the majority of its load to one of the edges of the die

[jade scaffold]

otherwise we'd see alot more Dead GPUs because thoes coolers are typically FAR heavier

[jade scaffold]

where did i say they'ed be shorter ofcourse it'd break if it was shorter

it would also neglect the 2nd main function of that metal square

[sacred seal]

the guard material doesnt have to be taller

[jade scaffold]

and that is to ensure the cooler is mounted to the processor Flatly

[jade scaffold]

yea which is true

it being taller comprimised thermal contact

it being shorter neglects both advantages of the metal square

[sacred seal]

Ok, I think I get where we are talking past eachother

[jade scaffold]

the metal square being the same height however helps ensure adequate contact and prevents Die damage

[sacred seal]

I use taller to mean greater then such that there is some minimal clearance as a safety factor

And you are interpreting it to mean that it has to be sinificantly taller

Is this correct?

[jade scaffold]

yes because thats exactly what it implies

[sacred seal]

Its a question of how big of a cooler you can reaonably mount. While GPU coolers are heavier then say a d15, they are at lower risk because they have less "leverage". The further the cooler is from the die, the more leverage it has

A 4 slot cooler will be a maxumum of 5ish cm away from the supporting structure

A d15 is something like what, 20?

[jade scaffold]

They have pivot in another direction than pcie slot of he mobo too

The force required to bypass that metal frame is so much that the computer is DEAD if something cracks your die anyway

[sacred seal]

If you are having the cooler put direct force on the die (which is required for optimal cooling), it is nessasarraly going to be able to transfer energy into the die. If done evenly this is fine, the risk is this happening on the edge or corner of the die

You try breaking a windshield with your fists, it aint going to happen. You use a windshield hammer though and it takes next to no force

You could probably get it to work, but you would need to have a fairly precision engineered cooler mount

Finally finished the video, that waterblock looks like it will work quite well, though I would still be hesitant to put a large cooler on the improved heat spreader. This is a precision part, but I don't exactly trust that the plastic CPU holder thing has that great of tolerances.

[fickle bluff]

Is this the right part of Tech Lab to ask about hardware recommendations?

[sacred seal]

As good as any

[fickle bluff]

Ok cool, I've been thinking of doing some PC upgrades starting with the CPU. I'm planning to get a 3090ti eventually so ideally I want something that works well with one of those

[sacred seal]

3090ti is last gen tech, probably would be looking at a 4070 or 4080

What kind of hardware are you currently running

[surreal moss]

3000 series is still relevant imo

[sacred seal]

If you are buying used

[fickle bluff]

Well my current CPU is an AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, and the GPU is a 2080

[sacred seal]

And what res/refresh do you run at?

[fickle bluff]

3840 x 2160 at 59 hertz

[sacred seal]

Ok, so 4k

CPU is decent, but could probably stand a upgrade. Depending on the motherboard you may be able to get a 5800x in there

Otherwise you are looking at buying a new platform

Other then that your main concern is your PSU. How many watts do you have?

[fickle bluff]

550

[sacred seal]

So you are going to want at least a 800 watt to run any modern high end card

[fickle bluff]

Good to know that hadn't occurred to me that might be an issue

[sacred seal]

The last concideration is how big is your case? The 30 and 40 series cards are massive

[fickle bluff]

It looks like a 3090 would fit although it may be a bit tight

[pearl moon]

You know what's bs? I was given a wifi extender by my gma who doesn't even have wifi anymore, set it up, and i'm somehow getting more than double the speed and better ping using it in my room with no antennas than i would be connecting it directly to comcasts proprietary wifi extender, which is halfway down the hall, alot closer to the router.

But that's only on my pc. Phone gets 250mbps in my room off the comcast extender, and only 100 with my own extender.

I only really got it to act as a wifi adapter for my PS2 and NAS, but i guess my pc is going on it too

[cinder lagoon]

The comcast thing might be using older protocol and wifi mode

...since it's comcast, probably both

[mossy gull]

Not the 5800X3D?

[cinder lagoon]

At 4k def a 5800X3D

[jade scaffold]

yea youll want the 5800X3D if you are running a 3090 or above idealy

the 3090 i have is too fast for my 5800x

maybe at 4k you can push a 3090 or above enough that a 5800x will be fine

[cinder lagoon]

Btw The Ryzen 7000 failures seem to stem from a voltage differential between the onboard GPU parts and the CPU cores. GPU is (partially) being fed by the IO die (SOC) voltage.
It can happen during boot that the CPU requests all the power and thereby voltage could potentially jump between the two rails

[jade scaffold]

but for me at 3440x1440 my 3090 almost never hits 100% even when game settings are maxed

[jade scaffold]

yea the thing is this happens on all CPUs the reason why its obliterating Ryzen 7000 processors tho is because the mobo manufactures are allowing for the CPUs to pull voltages WELL above what they are really rated for

and then OCP on some mobo vendors being total wank

1.5V is a fucking shit tonne no wonder the voltage is leaping across rails

i think the processors are only supposed to run at like 1.3V or somthing 1.4 is apparently enough to cause accelerated aging in the processor

[cinder lagoon]

There are about 3 separate problems, sometimes combining to form rapid unplanned disassembly

[jade scaffold]

and then sometimes forming additional disassembly of the CPU socket too

[cinder lagoon]

Socket disassembly seems to stem from MOBO manufacturers not ensuring OCP and error state checking

[jade scaffold]

yea

it was pretty impressive tho to see the VRMs of Mobos just eat 38 amps without so much as the slightest bit of strain

[cinder lagoon]

Well, at nearly 2V thats just 70W

[jade scaffold]

the VRMs wont be at 2V they might convert down to that as that what they do but what goes into the VRM is 12V

[cinder lagoon]

Ohhh I wasnt aware the current was measure "in front" of the VRMs

Well thats some absurdly high power consumption then xD no wonder these chips delidded without outside input

[sonic meadow]

the amount the vrms dissipate is based upon the current through them, and their voltage drop

[mossy gull]

Challenge accepted, I can make it reach 100% in no-time

[jade scaffold]

yea its like 450w or somthing

obviously not all that goes to heat

[sonic meadow]

well, strictly it all does

[jade scaffold]

eventually yea

but not out of the VRM

modern Mobos are insane

[cinder lagoon]

Also: this is riddiculous 😂

[sonic meadow]

x6d processors?

arent they x3d?

[cinder lagoon]

Yea

[sacred seal]

If you are running 4k 60 you do not need a beefy cpu. Extra frames don't do you much good if you can't see them, and if you are gaming at 60fps you probably don't care about the frame latency.

My 2700x is reasonably capable of keeping my 6900xt fed

[mossy gull]

This will vary per game though, some clearly need a faster CPU

[sacred seal]

Yes, it will very per game, but games that are CPU bound enough to where 5800x3d would make a noticeable difference are few and far between.

Especially concidering that the 5800x3d costs 1.5x more than the 5800x

And we are dealing with a 400 series chipset, givin the current cpu likely a b450.

[mossy gull]

Actually games love the extra cache😃

[sacred seal]

Yes, but games that run under 60fps on a 5800x are rare

You are looking at some crazy heavy modded games or something like a very late game strategy titles, and in those cases you are looking at like a 7 fps difference.

If they were running 144 then the 3d would make sense hands down

[jade scaffold]

then your 6900xt must be deffective or some shit

my 2700x couldnt feed my 3090

[sacred seal]

No, I run at 60FPS

[jade scaffold]

yea mine couldnt get my 3090 to 50% useage

[sacred seal]

I don't max out my 6900xt in most games, and that is because I don't need to

[jade scaffold]

in like 99% of things even absolutly cranked out GTA5