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[cinder lagoon]

nah, 65W chip which is more than enough and some battery/power delivery that will generate heat

[sacred seal]

65 watt is even on the hot side

[cinder lagoon]

it will most likely not run 65W continously

[sacred seal]

Still. You are dealing with a zero airflow enviroment. Any heat leak (ram, PSU, vrms) is not getting out of there

[cinder lagoon]

I'm writing an empirical paper on it and am doing very much research on it as my job currently

[cinder lagoon]

uhhh which is why I want to employ semi-external watercooling (radiator with fans inside the IP65 protected case, radiator (maybe without fans, depending on availability) outside or in a cut-out extra-proofed compartment "inside" the case

[sacred seal]

The only way that system is going to work is if you run a external radiator (drill some holes to run some tubes). Someone put a 15 watt laptop inside one of those to test and it overheated after a hour of idling

[cinder lagoon]

I'm still choosing the solution. I will get it cooled well enough but I still need to decide on how to do it best

[cinder lagoon]

I think you're getting me wrong, I will probably end up using an external radiator

[cinder lagoon]

read again using this info ^^'

you can read german, right?

[sacred seal]

So you are planning on using two rads? One in the case and one outside

[cinder lagoon]

yeees

[sacred seal]

Ok, don't understand the purpose of the internal rad at all

That is just going to be dumping heat that could have been exausted outside the case, into the case

[cinder lagoon]

I might need it to cool some non-watercoolable stuff in there

still not sure about everything of it, just some aspwects

[sacred seal]

With a case like that, nothing inside of that case is getting cooled. Any heat that is emmited inside the case stays inside the case. Any airflow will just move the heat around inside the case

Won't actually cool anything

Well, it will buy you some time, but that is about it

[cinder lagoon]

I have components inside I cannot watercool. These should be roughly covered by some heat exchanger that is also connected (together with the CPU) to the outside of the case

thats my plan as of now, as best explained as I can (together with everything above)

[sacred seal]

Seems like I am misunderstanding your intentions here. Lets see if I got this right
You are going to have a CPU watercooled with two rads, one inside the case, and one outside. Is this correct?

And you want to shove some dust proof fans on the rad that is inside the dust proof case?

[cinder lagoon]

hang on I'll MS paint something on top of my WIP F360 project

Possible solution 1

placement and scale not-to-scale™️

[sacred seal]

Ah, that makes a bunch more sense. Not sure what you are planning to do for exaust though

[mossy gull]

@cinder lagoon the thing I come up with is.
-Make a small hole in the case the size of a big CPU watercooling block for example an sWRX socket.
-attach a steel plate on the outside to the case where the hole is.
(make sure it's water tight as well)
-on the inside attach the big CPU watercooling block in the opening.
-the rest watercool your PC.

This way you PC can cool sort off "passively".

[cinder lagoon]

maybe cutouts on the shell (case link I sent) on multiple sides with some 3D-printed airflow directors or just mounting a buff rad externally instead of compartmentalizing the inside

[cinder lagoon]

I've also thought about some approach like this (except with big and low-profile aluminum heatsinks which could replace parts of the case wall) but I guessed that it might not be enough

I have pretty much everything posted written out in very understandable german in my paper

said paper being 35 pages long

[mossy gull]

A big RVS plate can make a decent heatsink and you won't cut yourself open on the ribs of the heatsink.

I seen MacBooks and Surface Books cool decently when people put thermal paste between the heatsink and the bottom plate😅

That's how I came up with that idea.

[cinder lagoon]

to elaborate:
https://www.tme.eu/de/details/kl-290_1000_sw/kuhler/seifert-electronic/ buy a meter of this 100mm wide 5mm high heat sink, put two of it on each other, cut out parts of case wall, replace with this and seal and make sure it's structureally sound (to summarize)

[cinder lagoon]

I might have up to 200W of heat per hour dumped into there. an hour is also about the longest it#s gonne be used at a time.
To compare: This would achieve to heat 1L of water by 112° without ANY cooling

[mossy gull]

Ah fair enough, yes this is a whole different story than 35w laptop CPUs😅

[cinder lagoon]

kind of. This is the whole system. I could try using a lower TDP CPU but this would probably negatively impact price and performance (planned CPU is a i3-10105. There is a T version (more expensieve and not really available here) which is a 35W equivalent with .5GHz less boost and base clock

[sacred seal]

Appoligies for the shitty model

I would look at putting the main cooler in a seperate chamber and only have a low power highly filtered fan to provide some internal airflow

[mossy gull]

Keep in mind Intel has very very high boost wattage.
I kinda recall my old i7-8650U 25w CPU being able to reach 96w.

[cinder lagoon]

(opening the electronics side to exchange heat directly is not an option)
Putting fans inside to just move air around is part of my plan, depending on solution but this is pretty much what I tried with my painting above

[sacred seal]

Fans inside the enclosed chamber is not going to do much

[mossy gull]

Unless you let them blow in a loop, then it can do something

[sacred seal]

Need at least some external airflow to remove the leeked heat

blowing air in a loop will buy you more time, but ultimately you are just putting more heat into the system

[mossy gull]

That's very true as well

Maybe we need to look at how satellites cool themselves

[sacred seal]

Bit ass heatsinks

[mossy gull]

Actually satellites never use heatsinks 😅
Or well not the ones I have help to build

[cinder lagoon]

I will be able to sustain 140W of power on battery (btw you should look at what I found here, it's really cool! https://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS)
about 200 while charging on AC.

[cinder lagoon]

which is why I wanted a heat exchanger inside the electronics compartment, along with a CPU cooler and at least 1 fan

I'll return tomorrow with some proper models to explain but my work day has been over for like 30 mins

[sacred seal]

I don't think a heat exchanger is going to give you enough cooling, expecially with a 200 watt total system power limit

Cooling for the leagage*

[mossy gull]

You can make a peltier cooler😃

[cinder lagoon]

a radiator is a heat exchanger. majority of the heat is going to come from the CPU which is either air cooled inside or cooled with a CPU block. I'll add a radiator inside the electronics part, which will pull air over the PSU and batteries, connected to the same loop as the outside rad

outside rad scaled accordingly

[sacred seal]

Ah, I see what you are trying to do with the two rads now

[cinder lagoon]

yeeee

[sacred seal]

You want the internal rad to act as a heat absorber

[cinder lagoon]

battery power!! hucks a heatsink your way

[sacred seal]

Unfortunately I do not think that is going to work, unless its on its own loop seperate from the CPU

[mossy gull]

I never said anything about power efficient 🤣

[sacred seal]

And even then I doubt it would be efficient enough to meaningfully move any energy

[cinder lagoon]

I see your concerns but the other components just need to stay beneath like 70°C. The water will stay way below 30°C so a heat exchange is there.

[mossy gull]

Peltier modules need a huge contrast to cool well sadly enough.

[cinder lagoon]

rads are as efficient at absorbing heat as radiating heat away

but theoretically I could add a second, ~35W loop with a smaller pump to save space.

soooo: know any IP65 fans?

[sacred seal]

I would be suprised if 65 fans exist, hard to emagine a moving part that is completely immune to ingress

56 (or 55) is dust resistant

[cinder lagoon]

In the meantime I have found some on digikey: There are even IP69K ones apparently
https://www.digikey.de/en/products/filter/dc-brushless-fans-bldc/217?s=N4IgjCBcpgLFoDGUBmBDANgZwKYBoQB7KAbRAA4B2cgNnJAF0CAHAFyhAGVWAnASwB2AcxABfAjQCclBCGSR02fEVIgAzDQAMmmjRAENmsGpkGtYAKwX9681puw1mgExq1NteTCVn1piDYObn5hMVFRIA

[sacred seal]

I am not sure I believe that rating to be legit. How on earth do you seal a fan such that it can still rotate, but it can survive high temperature and high pressure water?

[cinder lagoon]

If anyone is interested in (mobile) (robust) Case PCs here I would translate my scientific paper after finishing it, react here to vote :P

[mossy gull]

I prefer would build a shroud over the fans so water glides over the shroud instead of the fans.

A shroud you can open and close ofcoarse

[cinder lagoon]

Dust will get in the external compartment. Water probably not. but with dust being in there the easiest maintanance would be to just hose it out, which is why I want the >=IP65 fans

[mossy gull]

Hosing stuff out even "waterproof" components will damage the components

With any electronics it's best to just clean it with a brush

[cinder lagoon]

IP65 is rated for stream water from all sides. Not submerged but pretty close.

Also there are even higher ones available

[mossy gull]

Even that's only temporary

[cinder lagoon]

If it has the rating, I trust it. The rating say under what conditions the device is unaffacted

[mossy gull]

I don't really trust those ratings, I seen iPhones die from water even when they're considered waterproof

[cinder lagoon]

I've dropped my galaxy S7 in a bath tub with both glass side broken and mangled and there were zero issues.
IPhones are literally the worst to compare against in durability.

They've gotten better in recent models tho. Or the owners are more careful because of the price 💀

[mossy gull]

Well, the new Samsungs aren't much better than Apple these days

[jade scaffold]

iphones arent considered waterproof

they can stay submerged in shallow water for short periods of time additionally different water effects phones differently make sure you look at the ISP ratings carefully

[sacred seal]

Depends on the iphone, I think starting with the 11 they had ip 68 ratings

I think its fair to say 1m for 30m as waterproof

[mossy gull]

And people still get their phone destroyed by water😅

[mossy gull]

It's what they're rated for, sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less.
Manufacturers cherry pick a device for testing

[sacred seal]

IP rating is fairly standardized, don't think they get to cherry pick

[jade scaffold]

yea because their screens are usually damaged or have been replaced which makes them shockingly substantially less waterproof

or they like spill coke on them or bring them into highly chlorinated water ect

[mossy gull]

Nope, most look fine.

[jade scaffold]

and then they bring them into the shower

or the bath

and IPS68 isnt rated for that

the phone will also still sustain damage if its not dried out after being submerged because as the rating states its water resistance not proofing

[mossy gull]

I had a Note 8, survived over 3 years, and I take my phone in the shower, turn on the flashlight and put the phone where the toothbrushes are.

Bathroom lights for me are way too bright.

[jade scaffold]

and my friend had a note 7 that got a can of coke spilled on it and died a week later

[mossy gull]

Note 7 is a time bomb😃

[jade scaffold]

it really isnt

there was a design flaw in the early few batches that was resolved

[mossy gull]

I know, but still, the early badges were time bombs

I still remember that we experimented to see if the Note 7 screen fitted on the Note 8 and it was possible

[jade scaffold]

yea because like apple Samsung dont make new phones every generation they just effectivly keep tweeking the gen before

honestly its why i hate both companies Neither company can make an actual phone worth buying over their own phones and both companies phones are hardly able to compete functionality wise with other phone brands and both are prohibitively expensive because the companies want their big chunky 60%-70% profit on their products

[mossy gull]

Actually the early badge of the Note 8 were all Note 7 with a new display and battery, they were other than those 2 things fully identical.

Samsung in fact did not destroy all the Note7 they got back.

[hasty rose]

What is that black and white cord connected to my gpu... And why can't I take it out💢

Welp... Time to pull out the big guns

[sonic meadow]

it might be an 8pin pcie, but the colouring is weird.

[sacred seal]

Its OEM so wierd colors are normal

Good bet that its a 8 pin

[hasty rose]

It won't budge and now I have pliers

[sonic meadow]

and at least one of them is where one of the two sense pins are

have you released the clip on the connector?

[sacred seal]

You probably need to remove the support beam before you can get clean access to it

[hasty rose]

Funny thing... I can't remove that cause it's stuck around the cord

[sonic meadow]

you dont need to remove it all the way, just enough to actually get to the connector

[sacred seal]

Once you have it loose you should be able to slide it out of the clip

[hasty rose]

At this point I'm just going to leave that plugged and just remove the GPU from it's slot

[sacred seal]

Still going to need to remove the support bar

[hasty rose]

The bar is loose I've already unscrewed it...I just can't move it very far

[sacred seal]

Can we get a picture of where the bar attaches to the case?

[sonic meadow]

did you get the screw on the top (underneath the bundle of cables) that we can see in your photo?

[hasty rose]

Like that?

[sonic meadow]

you should be able to get to the clip on the connector now

[hasty rose]

Not a chance

[sacred seal]

You will need to clip some of the twist ties, but you should be able to get that hunk of metal close to the PSU to give good access to the 8pin

Then its a question of getting a good handle on the 8 pin latch and unplugging it

[hasty rose]

Whatever gods welded those things together, I a mere mortal cannot disconnect them.
I have a great handle on all sides even with both hands... They're not budging

[sacred seal]

There is a clip on the connector that holds it in place

[hasty rose]

Yep, lifted that

[sacred seal]

ANd its actually clear?

[hasty rose]

Yep

[sacred seal]

Sometimes those can snag

Probably already done this, but tried wiggling it?

Those things can be stubborn, but I have never had one that was actually stuck

[hasty rose]

I've placed a screwdriver head underneath the clip.. it's not moving

[sonic meadow]

wait, lifted? you push the clip in to the connector

[sacred seal]

Well you push it in so that the bottom part lifts up

[hasty rose]

Welded

[sacred seal]

That deffinatly looks clear

[sonic meadow]

the tip on those can be a bit sharp some of the time, catching/holding for longer than you would expect

[hasty rose]

You don't understand, it doesn't even wiggle

[sacred seal]

If the latch is snagged that can be the case

Trie shoving a butterknife between the latch and the clip to ensure nothing is snagged?

Doubt it will help but IDK what else to do but throw random stuff at it

You can also try wedging a blade between the two connectos and seeing if you can pry it apart

[sonic meadow]

can you lift from the hook part of the latch instead? might just need to get it up and over, and then you tug

[sonic meadow]

On the other end of annoyances around connectors, can you guess which if these is the replacement and what the issue might be?

[hasty rose]

Heh short line

[sacred seal]

Soldering iron time?

[sonic meadow]

it will fit, I just need to rework some of the plastic. otherwise the cable catches on the fan. cant use the original routing

if the pins were coloured I would remove them and run them through an existing hole before putting them back in the connector, but without colour I wouldnt know which is which

plus these small jst are a pain

[hasty rose]

I'm going to assume that I no longer need to unconnect the 8 bit... I'm going just unconnect the GPU cause I don't have to lift it far... I just need to lower the ram slot clips

[sonic meadow]

ahh, you just doing ram stuff?

[hasty rose]

I can't lower the ram clips without removing the gpu

I hate it

[sacred seal]

That is some shitty design

Haven't encountered that before

[sonic meadow]

looks like an oem/prebuilt. doesnt surprise me

heck, I had that issue on a custom pc I built once. was a real pain

[sacred seal]

Ah yea, GPU in top slot could be interesting

I would use a chopstick

[sonic meadow]

im just glad most motherboard manufacturers are using pcie clips you can get to from both sides now. wasnt too bad before multislot cards, but thesedays... bleh

[hasty rose]

To bee 100% sure... this is what I have to Press down right?

[sonic meadow]

yup. those white tabs

[hasty rose]

White? Look at what the screwdriver is on

[sonic meadow]

oh, you were meaning the pcie slot. yeah that bit

[hasty rose]

Ehh I'm just gonna press it, confidence is key

[sonic meadow]

you press it down

if you have something blunt/non stabby that works best in case you slip

[sacred seal]

Chopsticks

[sonic meadow]

flashbacks to a socket370 (or later amd, they used a similar heatsink clamp) that I killed getting the heatsink off 😦

[hasty rose]

So uhh...

Wait nvm

I.. think I did it?

[sonic meadow]

and its in. alas I dont have a system to test it in until I go to put it back in the server it came out of 😆

hopefully this fan works

[hasty rose]

I have come back to report, that it is in fact... not working... time to do it all again

[sonic meadow]

That was for this card. Got a bit crashy unsurprisingly

[sonic meadow]

you didnt manage to release the card?

[hasty rose]

I need to pull it out further...

And I can't

I'm losing my mind

[sonic meadow]

did you release the card at the other end? that case looks either tool-less or has the screws outside the case

[hasty rose]

Other end... I thought it was just that clip...

Ah

I hate it

[sonic meadow]

the red bit, but on the outside of that case by the look of it

[sacred seal]

Guessing HP or dell, should be a clasp that you flick upwards to dislodge whatever has that connected

[hasty rose]

It's hp

[sacred seal]

You know you have seen too many prebuilts when you can guess the manufactuer from the design of its case

[sonic meadow]

while you have it this level of apart, it would be worthwhile clearing out some of the dust. theres a pile at the front (inside the case) of the psu, and I would hate to think what the cpu heatsink looks like

actually, the cpu doesnt look too bad from your top down shot

[hasty rose]

That was the plan... until I couldn't remove that plug...

Also throughout this I was looking for an ssd slot

I... I don't think I've found it

[sacred seal]

You can see some build up here

[sonic meadow]

some, aka not too bad

[sacred seal]

Man my internet is crap today, took forever to upload that

[sonic meadow]

I have been finding discord really slow to upload images lately

[sacred seal]

This looks to b a fairly old system, (700 series GPU?), not sure it would have a m.2

[hasty rose]

It does

[sonic meadow]

two m.2 slots

[hasty rose]

It's behind the gpu... that I can't remove

[sonic meadow]

though the second one is setup for wifi by the looks of it

[sacred seal]

I stand corrected

Have you got the quick release on the back sorted out yet?

[hasty rose]

Yeah... I'm like 75% sure it's this

[sacred seal]

Yep, that is clear

Should be a question of gently pulling it out then

[sonic meadow]

yup. thats clear. so with the plastic clip released it should come straight out

[hasty rose]

I'm about to give up

Okay I got it out of the slot

Now I'm hoping that I didn't damage anything while I was doing that

Fuck, I'm going to have to do this again when I get my ssd

[sonic meadow]

you know what to do now though

[sacred seal]

^

[hasty rose]

I hate it though

The constant fear that I've broken something

[sacred seal]

Computers are fairly robust pieces of hardware, takes a lot too actually damage something

[hasty rose]

I failing at putting the gpu back in now... and I'm not a fan of the creeks it's making

So if something snaps back into place does that mean you did good.. or you did bad

Okay, case is closed. If it doesn't boot, I sleep. If it does boot, I sleep but with less crying

[hasty rose]

Update

It turned on and started beeping

And I can't turn it off

[sonic meadow]

And my update is that the GPU fan spins.

[hasty rose]

So what does the beeping mean

[sacred seal]

Could mean a lot of things. Is anything other then beeping happening?

And is the beeping in any sort of pattern?

[hasty rose]

The box is on, the colors are showing and is beeping 4 tones in sets of 2
I also can't turn it off, so I'm going to unplug it

I'll try to restart it and record a video this time

This doesn't sound good

[sacred seal]

So 3 long and 2 short?

[hasty rose]

Yeah

[sacred seal]

You mentioned that you were playing around with the ram?

https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Boot-and-Lockup/No-screen-on-startup-3-long-beeps-2-short-beeps/td-p/6979452

[hasty rose]

I thought you said it would work!

[sacred seal]

There is a good chance that it still will. Very rare that ram is actually incompatable

What did you have before, and what did you end up changing?

If you haven't installed ram before it could just be that a stick isin't seated fully

[hasty rose]

Just checked

Everything looks fine

[sacred seal]

Looks can be deciving

And I speak from experience

[sonic meadow]

Ram usually inserts with a nice positive click. They can often look inserted but one of the clips isn't all the way in

[hasty rose]

By looked I meant I pressed down on them again

All the clips are locked

[sacred seal]

Are they locked in the correct slot?

[hasty rose]

Yes

[sacred seal]

For some reason ram has two notches, and sometimes it gets snagged on the lower one

Well if you are certain that they are in, try pulling out the sticks you added

See if we can't narrow down the issue

DOA stick, dead slot, misconfigured xmp, ect

[hasty rose]

That's an entire process again... I'm like 60% sure it has to do with the new ram and something

[sacred seal]

Using a poky thing you should bee able to pull out the sticks without touching the GPU

[hasty rose]

Can't the top most clips can't open because of the gpu

[sacred seal]

Looking at the pics from before there should be enough clearance

[hasty rose]

Negative...

[sacred seal]

Still looks doable to me

Not easy, but doable

[hasty rose]

I wish you were right, but the clip doesn't even move out of the ram slot

[sacred seal]

You kind of want to use a rocking motion, pushing down at a angle

[hasty rose]

To get to the BIOS I have to spam f2 right?

[sacred seal]

If you are getting the beeps it means bios is not working

I think HP is f10

[hasty rose]

I have work tomorrow, I'll come back to this then... I'm tired... I'm sad... why me...

[cinder lagoon]

y'all recognize the company "delta fans"?

I think I'm about to put a couple IP rated blowiematrons in that case PC 💀

[sacred seal]

I'm not sure a blowiematron is very suitable for that...

[sonic meadow]

Delta is a big name in server/etc fans

[cinder lagoon]

has one of the highest static pressures and airflow, which would not only prevent dust built-up but also be able to remove the dust xD

[sacred seal]

It also has a sizeable power draw and is as loud as all get out

[cinder lagoon]

like 40mm static pressure, whihc is insane to regular 1-2mm

[sacred seal]

I don't think you can even run them off of a standard fan header?

[cinder lagoon]

6W power draw. gotta see if/how I could connect them, they might be insane but if not too expensive, maybe even fairly reasonable

[sonic meadow]

6w is a tiny delta 😆

[cinder lagoon]

they have many different fans - the one I'm looking at is 12VDC PWM

https://www.delta-fan.com/technology/ingress-protection-ip/tfa0412cnp8.html

[sacred seal]

Yea, that thing is going to scream

[cinder lagoon]

only at full throttle :P

I think I'm going to call maintanance mode....

https://y.yarn.co/5afe37ec-0c03-404e-8bb7-ae370b0a6395_text.gif

[sacred seal]

I would get something bigger then 40mm, you are going to need like 9 of them to populate a 120 rad

[cinder lagoon]

I do not have height clearance for 120mm rads anyways. I'm going to use 1U rads

which is 40mm

[sacred seal]

NVM that then

[cinder lagoon]

bout to enter my mad scientist era 😈

[cinder lagoon]

btw this is ip68 testing procedure

[mossy gull]

Sometimes the lower clips of RAM slots don't move, only the upper clips.
You still should be able to pull out the RAM stick.

[cinder lagoon]

the clips (RAM and GPU) should be able to fold away when pushing on them with something like a screwdriver handle. or piece of wood for that matter, best is, it's square

what does this graph mean if it's in a heatsink product sheet? 🤔
I'd guess Y axis is Kelvin/Watts but how that number falls, if the heat sink length increases is a mystery to me...

[jade scaffold]

K/W is the Si unit for thermal resistance

So as heatsink gets bigger temp goes down as such so does resistance

[cinder lagoon]

ahhhh I seee

So to calculate how many watts it could sink I would need to take the temps of both mediums into consideration...

eehhh thermodynamics' a bish

[west mirage]

Hey currently i can’t turn my computer off

Without boot issues

How long can i go with just putting my pc

into sleep mode

[surreal moss]

As long as windows doesn’t update or crash

[mossy gull]

Why can't you turn it off?

[west mirage]

same boot issues you’ve seen

Corrupted files n shit

Critical process died

All sorts of bsod’s that occur usually 3 days to a week after I reinstall windows

Probably because of bad sectors

I can’t afford a new ssd for a month or 2

trying to get a gen 4 samsung or sabrent

The cheapest most reliable gen 4 ssd you guys know

Im about to wipe and reinstall windows again but i cant shut down my pc or ill have to reinstall again

[mossy gull]

Why not get the Gen 3 970 Evo Plus?
It still beats a lot of Gen 4 SSDs

[sacred seal]

Honestly would not bother with Gen4. They are only useful with some very specialized workloads

[west mirage]

Whats the cheapest gen 3 2tb SSD i can get M.2 as always

[sacred seal]

660p

Probably goes for about 110

[west mirage]

What about for 4tb

[sacred seal]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2vVmP6/intel-670p-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu020tzx1

[west mirage]

Need something that will last my computers lifetime

[sacred seal]

4tb are quite expensive

Well more expensive then there 2tb counterparts

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JhzhP6/crucial-p3-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct4000p3ssd8 This p3 is decent value

[mossy gull]

In my country the cheapest 2TB is actually the Corsair Force MP510😃

[west mirage]

Ill go 2tb then

Dont need that much storage

Just gaming atm and collage work

[mossy gull]

Depending on how you treat your SSD it'll survive 2 computer's lifetime.

[west mirage]

Im a business admin major

I don’t need that much storage lmao

[mossy gull]

For that any basic SSD is good enough, even a SATA SSD

[west mirage]

Like i said i game too

And my PC has a 5900X and a 7090XT

[sacred seal]

Games don't really leverage faster storage

[west mirage]

I want something at least on par in quality yk

[sacred seal]

You get mabey 1-2 seconds faster loads

[west mirage]

Star Citizen does @sacred seal

[sacred seal]

SC is a unique case

[west mirage]

Yk how us SC freaks are

All i play is SC and once in a while a few steam games and minecraft

[sacred seal]

SC has completely different requirements to basically every single game on the market

For SC I might actually go with a higher end SSD, though gen 4 is still overkill. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fv8j4D/samsung-970-evo-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s2t0bam

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/f3cRsY/samsung-980-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v8p2t0bam

[mossy gull]

Less, it runs in the milliseconds

[sacred seal]

Depends on the game, most of the benchmarks I have seen will show at least some difference

[mossy gull]

I know with a lot of games gen3 SSDs are actually faster thanks to the TLC memory compared to the QLC majority of gen4 use

[west mirage]

I agree gen 4 is overkill

[sacred seal]

There are both TLC and QLC drives for gen3 and gen4

[west mirage]

my gen 3 SSD absolutely killed SC loading times

[sacred seal]

660p is a QLC drive

[west mirage]

I think a gen 4 SSD may not even make it any faster

[sacred seal]

970 is TLC

QLC drives are actually really slow (hard drive speeds), but are made competitive by a largeish SLC cache

[mossy gull]

I want consumer SLC SSDs to come back😃

[sacred seal]

Meaning that some of them can beat out TLC drives in smaller workloads

[west mirage]

Whats the sabrent rocket

thats what I currently use

[sacred seal]

Depends on the rocket

Most are TLC

[west mirage]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LxXnTW/sabrent-2-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-sb-rocket-2tb

[sacred seal]

Yea, that is TLC

[west mirage]

thats what has bad sectors

it came with bad sectors but I always had a work around

so I made it work

except when I updated to windows 11

that fucked everything up and ruined my work around to BSOD's

[mossy gull]

I am happy I am still on W10 Pro then😃

[west mirage]

Never

ever update

its BS not even better at all

even less user friendly

Windows 10 was the most user friendly windows and the best looking one

[mossy gull]

I am not going to, I like full screen start menu, taskbar on the side and humongous easily identifiable Tiles.

[west mirage]

Whats something on par with my sabrent rocket

I loved the performance I got out of it

[mossy gull]

970 Evo Plus is faster

[west mirage]

might be cheaper too

it is

40 dollars cheaper

[mossy gull]

I think it's 1 of the fastest Gen3 SSDs on the market

[west mirage]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fv8j4D/samsung-970-evo-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s2t0bam

149 vs 189USD

[mossy gull]

They go for really cheap these days

[sacred seal]

Might go with the 980 pro, slightly better and only 10$s more

[west mirage]

cause everyones balls deep for gen 4

[mossy gull]

I have 2 2TB 980 Pro in my laptop 😃

[west mirage]

whats the difference with the 980

vs the 970

[sacred seal]

More endurance, slightly faste

[mossy gull]

980 Pro is a "Prosumer" drive, the 970 Evo is a consumer drive.

980 is newer as well

Currently being replaced with the 990 Pro

[sacred seal]

Well evo plus is actually newer

But the differences beween the evo and the plus are basically non existant

[mossy gull]

I forgot it came after the 980 Pro😅

[west mirage]

so your sayin

the 970 EVO Plus

over 980 Pro

no difference

[mossy gull]

970 Evo was so popular they basically re-released it with slightly newer hardware and called it the Evo Plus

[sacred seal]

difference, but not something you are likely to notice

But peace of mind for 10$s is not awful value

[mossy gull]

I remember the time the 980 Pro was like twice the price as the 970 Evo Plus

[west mirage]

The 980 pro

Hugely out performs the sabrent rocket

For 30 dollars cheaper

Ill go with that the 10 dollars for that large of peace of mind is really nice

Amazing deal in the day and age of 4.0 ssd’s

[mossy gull]

Gen5 SSDs are on the horizon and are totally not worth it as majority of CPUs can't keep up with it😃

And the ones that can are like Prosumer and Server CPUs

[amber fable]

It is a weird feeling to be reading a Stack Overflow answer about some arcane topic, and notice in passing that it is wrong about an edge case. I remembered the odd edge case behavior, but had to refresh my memory on a basic detail :/

[hasty rose]

Okay, I'm back to fix my PC.
I have installed two 8GB ram sticks into my PC to increase my ram from 16 to 32GB. My motherboard is stated to be able to handle 32GB and I was told that it should be fine to install them. After installation (which was a long process) the PC started doing a 3.2 beep cycle. This indicates a memory problem and that the BIOS can't boot.
What do I do?

[cinder lagoon]

scan the disk, figure out in which area the bad sectors are and build your partitions around these generously.

then install windows onto said partitions

[cinder lagoon]

make sure, you seated it correctly.
Try the additional RAM alone. If it still fails, your RAM is incompatible sadly.
-> If it works your RAM is incompatible with one another.
Try turning off any XMP in the BIOS.
Try all of the above again.
Try resetting BIOS but make sure to note some settings that seem important.

[mossy gull]

When instamling RAM make sure that if you have 2 different sets.
That each set should go in 1 channel.
Usually the layout is something like 2B-2A-1B-1A.
So 1 set should go in channel 1 and the other in channel 2.

If that doesn't work try to put 1 set of sticks in each channel so lets call Set 1 S1 and Set 2 S2:

2B-2A-1B-1A
S2-S1-S2-S1

[cinder lagoon]

Put a big chonker inside or use a CPU block and a little one? 🤔
I think with a big one inside I'm gonna struggle with putting a pump... and tubing... actually the small solution is also cheaper, just answered myself 😝

[mossy gull]

@cinder lagoon fun fact:
Panasonic makes water resistant laptops.
The important components are housed in a waterproof box inside the laptop.
And the cooling is placed outside of it😃

And funny enough still made it modular

[sacred seal]

So what is the plan with getting fresh air for the external rad?

[cinder lagoon]

1-2x IP68 blowiematron

[sacred seal]

You need both intake and exaust

[cinder lagoon]

In the compartment will be something like an intake manifold

Just didnt model intake yet

[sacred seal]

Ah. I see

What I would do is rotate the rad by 90 degrees so you can do top to bottom airflow

[cinder lagoon]

Only side ports. Bottom and top is more prone to dust/splashes.

[sacred seal]

Even with blowiematrons you are not going to get great airflow if the air needs to do a 180 in the space of 3 inches

I guess you could put vents on the left and right of the case, but that is not great

[cinder lagoon]

I will move the small rad more to the wall, it will be a circular manifold and probably fine

Was messing with a method to create appealing mesh for over the rads

[mossy gull]

You kinda can if you dont put the fans on the rad, but instead 90° beside the rad.

[sacred seal]

That would still require venting on the top or bottom

[mossy gull]

True

Make the intake big and exhaust small

Like laptops

[mossy gull]

I love Windows, especially when it goes buggy as soon it comes out of standby, freaking MS fix the dumb standby

[cinder lagoon]

hmmm when doing a waterloop and all the air got out, the waterlevel won't change much anymore, right? Cause fitting any kind of res in my case is gonna be tricky, the pump is one of the biggest components in there

[cinder lagoon]

If you want a compact pump for your gaming PC, you can consider a pump and reservoir combination that takes up less space than a separate pump1. One possible option is the EKWB EK-XRES 140 Revo D5 PWM, which combines a powerful and low-noise D5 pump with a 140 mm expansion tank1.

Ahh yes... 140mm is a compact watercooling solution. Thanks Bing 😀

[mossy gull]

I don't know, I am a sucker for reservoirless builds

[cinder lagoon]

so reservoirless is an option?

I'd just need to really bleed the loop then, right?

I've now been rotating countless 3D models of alphacool reservoirs through my case and only one (D5 Eisdecke + Eisdecke res) would remotely provide me with ports in the positions I'd need them to be

BTW alphacool a real G for providing 3D models of all their stuff (even with the internals worked out on some of them)

[mossy gull]

I like to use 1 t-split or whatever they're called, on that is a quick-disconnect from Alphacool, on the quick disconnects is a funnel.
And fill it up very very slowly, once you're done you pull off the funnel with half the quick disconnect.
And you basically almost have a closed loop.

[cinder lagoon]

I think I have a half decent layout now 😅
I really wanna keep the internal rad as the first because then the temp delta will be the greatest and it will probably pull the most heat outta the air.

I know everyone always says "order don#t matter" but I swear in this case it does xD

[mossy gull]

It really varies per case basis, in compact formats the component placement matters.

[cinder lagoon]

I'mma go Pump out (facing away) double 90° into the rad on top port, out bottom into CPU 90°, CPU to passthrough, straight into external rad. from there double 90° to go underneath the intake manifold, passthrough, 2x 90° to go into open port on the left side of the pump.

[west mirage]

I fucked up

I did clean and press on both disk 0 and disk 1

From disk park command promt in windows repair environment

Now wondows is deleted im stuck with just the bios utility

And now my samsung flash drive which was showing up before isn’t showing up

[mossy gull]

Is that a concept on how you want it to be?

[mossy gull]

Flash drive as in SSD or USB stick?

[west mirage]

Usb stick

I think i partitioned my ssd wrong

[mossy gull]

You erased your thumbdrive?

[west mirage]

What is asus secure erase

No

Maybe

Fuck i did

I erased my fucking flash drive

Im such a dumbfuck

I was wondering why there was 2 disks

Lmfao

[mossy gull]

How the hell did you do that?
I never seen Windows Installer do that

[west mirage]

Did it from disk part

[mossy gull]

Next time you also can do it via the Windows Installer, like the UI you know, it's much safer that way.

[west mirage]

yes

alright how do I repartition this flash drive

and put windows installation media on it from a macbook

I remember last time I did it was fucking hell

[mossy gull]

Don't you have another Windows System?

[west mirage]

nope

🥲

actually fuck wait I do

lets go

nevermind

roomate and his lap top is gone

@mossy gull yes I must do it from my macbook

[mossy gull]

It's something I have but you don't have but you can do it in the future.
I have a cheap SATA SSD, like a 25.- costing SSD, it has bare Windows on it.
In-case something goes wrong I can connect a SATA dock onto a PC and start from the dummy drive.
Maybe something similar can help you in the future as well.

[west mirage]

Gotcha

I just need to partition and download windows installation media

to a flash drive from a macbook is that doable?

I know mac makes it fucking hell

[mossy gull]

I don't know, I have a MacBook but I just use it to monitor the network with it

[sonic meadow]

You can buy entire reservoirless water-cooling systems off the shelf. The pc gaming crowd call them Ay Ai Ohs.
They do slowly leak over time (fluid permeates through the tubing), but that's over the span of years

[mossy gull]

That's why I usually just opt for custom loop reservoirless builds

You know what's cool, tubeless liquidcooling builds

[cinder lagoon]

Before cleaning anything with disk part next time, make sure the things you select for cleaning are the things you think them to be by running list [disk/part/vol] in diskpart

[cinder lagoon]

Fun fact btw:
I've seemed to now actually have solved my BSOD during idle problem.
I reseated the RAM and didn't put back the HyperX kit...

Also later on I've put in my new 5800X3D.
Gotta properly test it tomorrow!

[mossy gull]

Reseating, I can't repeat it enough and people always ignore it when I say it 😃

[cinder lagoon]

Well, I didn't check yet if it's still happening with all sticks.

..Thermal throttling during Cinebench🥲
Guess I gotta get back to regular thermal paste instead of the carbon pads...

[mossy gull]

Which pads did you use

[cinder lagoon]

I think these are still isntalled in my main rig:
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07CK9SHZG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
However I seem to have also bought Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut and Cryonaut in advance some time ago...

[mossy gull]

A lot of graphite pads are awfully bad, if you get 1 go with 1 from Thermal Grizzly, not the best but certainly 20 times better than majority of them

[cinder lagoon]

Carbonaut is the thermal grizzly one

so I already have it at home :D
...somewhere...

[mossy gull]

Ah okay, sorry, names are not my forté

I found a video where it explains the difference between OLED and LCD😃
https://youtu.be/Oy3cKwq6vEw

[cinder lagoon]

...Sensible layout?
Gotta migure out wether The Pump to Rad bend will not be too tight. If it is I need to order more fittings :/

[mossy gull]

Why 2 rads?

[cinder lagoon]

See the faint blue Surface in the first pic? thats an airtight wall ;)

the small rad is for the components that cannot be watercooled easily.

[mossy gull]

Then you have to attach it to the big rad's outlet?

Or well, that's what I would do

[cinder lagoon]

someone with watercooling experience tell me if this bend between the two "open" fittings will work with 10/16mm tubing

[mossy gull]

Big rad goes straight to the small rad @cinder lagoon

[cinder lagoon]

nah pump goes to small rad (thin one, "inside"), then to CPU, then big rad (outside), then pump

[cinder lagoon]

or what exactly do you mean by that?
Are you telling me what to better do, or asking what I currently planned?

[mossy gull]

It was a question 😅

[cinder lagoon]

Btw update on my idle crashes:
put the "bad" RAM back in. Looked at the XMP.
The "Bad" RAM XMP (which I've been runnning to provide more stability) runs a 1.2V, the Corsair RAM runs at 1,35V.
I disabled DRAM Power down and some other similar setting and manually set DRAm to 1.35V.
Guess The Corsair RAM couldn't handle The XMP at the low voltage and silicon degradation happened.

[mossy gull]

For anyone with a 980 Pro
https://youtu.be/DoAFzdz0h5M

[mossy gull]

Or you have a bad set of sticks.

[west mirage]

are 980 Pros prone to failing?

Im lookting to buy a 980 Pro

[mossy gull]

Watch the vid and you'll know

[west mirage]

alright started

fuck would I be better off getting a 970 Evo Plus?

oh only the ones produced in 2021

[mossy gull]

Both are amazing SSDs

[west mirage]

hey how do I check for bad ram

I believe my ram could be the culprit

Beyond the standard tests

[mossy gull]

Run it on stock XMP speeds or AMD equivalent.
If it's still unstable try the other slots.

[west mirage]

Like windows mem test

Alr

I have a hunch that could be it @mossy gull

And ive just been dumb all this time

[mossy gull]

Or try the 1 build into your motherboard

[west mirage]

Wait

What?

How do i go about that

I have the ASUS X570 Strix-E

[mossy gull]

I think HWInfo also can do a mem test

[mossy gull]

I have no idea, I only know how it works on Dell

[ember hazel]

https://youtu.be/Q7aHq5lO9mM

[tulip valve]

Upgraded my GBA that was just sitting there. Really happy with how it turned out. IPS screen, New shell, and a Rechargeable USB-C battery. Best part is there was no Soldering required lol

[hasty rose]

Well, it looks like the new ram is incompatible.
And after putting everything back... it doesn't want to start...

Great...

[cerulean helm]

980 Pros made in 2021 had the bad firmware and should be updated asap. Firmware starts with a 3. Newest firmware starts with a 5. Ive been using 2 980 pros ( 1 1tb and 1 2tb) and have been on the latest firmware with zero problems.

Only reason to go 980 pro vs 970 evo is pcie4 vs pcie3.

[cinder lagoon]

Putting everything back like it was when it worked?
Are you sure that it is seated correctly?
A first start after a RAM change can take a pretty while. Are there any small LEDs (probably top right) on the motherboard? Or does it beep or something like that?
There probably is some kind of error indicator somewhere in there. If not it's just doing memory training and takes a while.

[hasty rose]

Can I ask for the possible reasons why my new ram sticks are incompatible with my PC... So I can not have this problem in the future?

I got it to work after following a guide online, I basically removed everything and left it for a couple of hours then put everything back and waited before starting it again

[cinder lagoon]

OEM motherboards (prebuilt systems) rarely support anything they didn't ship with. Some will even use custom connectors to prevent you from doing changes on your own

[cinder lagoon]

You can accelerate this process by unplugging it and pressing the power button. It should be a couple seconds only.

[hasty rose]

Will that also affect my ability to add an SSD to it?

[cinder lagoon]

Well, there are certain classes of components (depending on complexity) that will actually just work (like hard drives, they need to follow standards) but things like RAM or GPUs have more complex features which might require all components to support them.

So like components only need to follow base standards but there are extensions to some

[mossy gull]

If it comes to RAM even OEM boards support 3rd party RAM

[cinder lagoon]

They support the JEDEC base standard and MAYBE something else

[mossy gull]

Then it's not a normal OEM part

@hasty rose what's the PCs model number

[cinder lagoon]

Look here and following messages

[hasty rose]

Omen 870-244

[mossy gull]

How did you put in the RAM?
I know some OEM boards, not calling names Alienware, can be sensitive in what slot your RAM is in.

[hasty rose]

There are four slots.
2 blue, 2 black.
Ordered in blue black blue black.
The original ram was placed in the blue slots.
On the first go, I placed the new ram in the blacks slots. Didn't work.
On the second go I replaced the original ram with the new ones in the blue slots. Didn't work, figured the new ones were incompatible and reverted.

[mossy gull]

Have you also tried putting the bew RAM in yhe black slots without the old RAM in the blue slots?

@hasty rose another thing you can try, I seen this on MSI systems.
But unplug from the wall, press the power button so the energy is drained, then take out the CMOS battery(silver circle on the motherboard) and put it back in.

Only then you have tried what you can with the new RAM

@hasty rose also another question, is the speed of the new RAM the same as the old 1?

Your CPU supports up to 2400MT/s, your system has 2133MT/s, if you bought faster RAM maybe your motherboard doesn't understand it.

[cinder lagoon]

As far as I remember its 3200MHz

Yup

[mossy gull]

For what?

Intel specifies the i7-7700 to support 2400MT/s DDR4 max

[hasty rose]

So my ram was too fast...

[mossy gull]

It can be yes😅

[mossy gull]

@hasty rose what's your RAM speed?

The 1 you bought?

[jade scaffold]

ram speed cant really be too fast because the memory controler will just down clock it to match the controlers spec

well thats how ever CPU ive ever used works

[hasty rose]

I'm pretty sure it's the 3200?

[mossy gull]

Oddly enough I seen times where people put in 4800MT/s RAM with a Ryzen 5 2600X and the PC just didn't want to boot.

But once they put in slower RAM it booted fine

So yes, if unsupported, RAM can be too fast for the system to understand

[cinder lagoon]

It should always start at JEDEC 2133 MHz after a RAM swap

[jade scaffold]

yea but 3200 isnt like a super high ram speed

my server CPU which is based on the same gen as the 7700 has 3200mhz ram but it only goes to 2400 i think

[cinder lagoon]

It was for the longest time

[jade scaffold]

and i dont really see why a CPUs in the same generation wouldnt suffer the same issues

[mossy gull]

Which also can vary by motherboard, OEM boards sometimes have this auto RAM overclock to match the RAM's designed speed.

[jade scaffold]

then put old ram in and tell the mobo not to do that

then there should be no issue by default the mobo shouldnt be telling the CPU to try and OC RAM if the cpu cant do it and the CPU does communicate to the MOBO its rated ram speeds but OEMs be doing OEM things i guess

[hasty rose]

Uhh... Okay... How do I do this?

[sacred seal]

Go into bios and see if there are any settings avaliable relating to ram or ram speed

[mossy gull]

OEM boards sometimes have the functionality hidden so it's always turned on, Lenovo does this a lot

Laptops also have the automatic RAM overclock always active

[cinder lagoon]

Or XMP

[hasty rose]

I'm assuming under firmware management

[sacred seal]

Probably not

[hasty rose]

Hmm

[sacred seal]

That would be for bios versions

If you send a pic we can advisee

[cinder lagoon]

Firmware management

[sacred seal]

That is not the bios

[hasty rose]

I pressed f2

[sacred seal]

That is the hardware diagnostic suite

[cinder lagoon]

That's a UEFI that includes a bunch of hardwre tests on the first page, it's a BIOS alright

[sacred seal]

You sure? In previous HPs this page was seperate from the bios

[cinder lagoon]

See what's under firmware management, can't hurt.

[cinder lagoon]

It says UEFI at the top, pretty sure there can only be one UEFI

[sacred seal]

To clarify, this is part of the UEFI, but its not the actual part that you use to configure settings

I think bios is f10

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh, weird alright

[cinder lagoon]

Then go back to main menu, hit exit and press F10 on the next restart

[sacred seal]

Working with OEM machines are always fun

[hasty rose]

Would updating bios be a good idea in the future

[sacred seal]

Its not a bad idea, but its unlikely to help

[cinder lagoon]

Could help but only if there is a newer version provided on the website, that might list RAM compatibility in the changelog

[hasty rose]

Okay I'll do that after

[sacred seal]

Most likely advanced

[cinder lagoon]

Device options

[cinder lagoon]

Nice hand :D

[hasty rose]

Uhh

[sacred seal]

Try bus options

[cinder lagoon]

Ohh yeah, uhhhh... maybe it's also in the Power tab

[sacred seal]

Hardware power management?

Looks like this version of the bios is not going to have it

[sacred seal]

Yea, no dice

Well try updating the bios and see if there are more options

I thought HP had retired this UEFI setup awile ago

[cinder lagoon]

You'll probably have to put a file on a USB stick

[sacred seal]

I think they have a windows tool to update from within windows

[hasty rose]

So I do have to update my bios

[cinder lagoon]

It might help

[sacred seal]

Its something worth trying

[hasty rose]

Does that affect anything file wise

[sacred seal]

Nope

Though make that you do not turn off the PC in the middle of it

That will likely kill your PC

[cinder lagoon]

Well, brick - not kill.

[sacred seal]

^

[hasty rose]

I'm more confident already

[cinder lagoon]

I'd say it's more like a coma xD

[sacred seal]

Personally I have never had issues with a bios update, and I think HPs are a bit more resiliant, having there bios somewhat seperate from the diagnostics

[cinder lagoon]

If you do it from windows I think it has some two-stage stuff going on probably

[hasty rose]

Do I need a flash drive for this?
And I need to download it from their website

[mossy gull]

HP still uses the basic BIOS UI

[sacred seal]

Only need a stick if they do not have a windows tool

[mossy gull]

Well, Mogeko has a 6 year old CPU

[sacred seal]

That is fairly recent. Last time I saw this bios setup was with the intel 3000 series

I don't think the 4000 series had it

[cinder lagoon]

OMEN by HP Desktop PC - 870-244

Can't seem to find updates

[mossy gull]

I saw it last year still

[sacred seal]

I don't know why they still use this. I don't even think they use it on all their machines

But anything that ships with this is a nightemare to upgrade

[hasty rose]

??

[mossy gull]

Mostly on their cheaper systems.

[mossy gull]

I would say download the newest

[hasty rose]

Should I also download this? Seeing as mine said it needs an update?

[mossy gull]

I am personally not familiar with HP software, and I am pretty tired so maybe @sacred seal and/or @cinder lagoon can help further

[cinder lagoon]

Me neither

Also I gotta go so good luck! 👋🏽

[sacred seal]

Don't need it, but I do not see any reason why not

[hasty rose]

Is there any negatives to going down that page and downloading all the latest stuff?

[sacred seal]

Other then the time it takes

And the slim chance that the new version has some extra quirks

None of it is going to do anything, so I would not be too worried

[hasty rose]

Would it by any chance downgrade any- oh okay then... I have the time so I'm just going to

[sacred seal]

With the exception of video drivers I rarey bother updating anything unless it breaks

[hasty rose]

Okay it done... Now I try the bios things again?

[sacred seal]

yep

See if there are any new options, and if there are not just try installing the ram again to see if the incompadability has fixed itself

[hasty rose]

That's going to take a bit...
Anyway
I do have to say thanks to everyone who helped me with this over the last week. I'm sorry if this was annoying in any way, as you can probably tell, I don't do any of this very often. Again thank you.

[fleet wasp]

@surreal moss

Apologies for the quality and crop

[sacred seal]

No worries, here to help. Part of the reason is on our bad advice to begin with

[surreal moss]

I've got that same entry in mine but only once

[fleet wasp]

Mine is from every time I tried to open it

[surreal moss]

Search up for EAC

[fleet wasp]

Hmmmmm. On a hunch I tried running the installer and it's working

[surreal moss]

In safe mode?

[fleet wasp]

So safe mode has fixed the issue yeah

[surreal moss]

well... maybe it will work now?

[fleet wasp]

Attempting.

Last time anything remotely similar happened, it was an Nvidia driver.

Seems to work, checking other programs/files now

Holy shit, it's all back. I'm typing this on desktop 😂

[surreal moss]

heresy

weird

also

classic windows

[fleet wasp]

Now I'm sad though, I don't get to know if it was just the safemode boot reseting something, or if it was the RSI launcher itself that had to finish updating.

Changed too many variables, bad science

[surreal moss]

eh

[fleet wasp]

I'd guess it was the launcher though, because that was really an immediate effect, both before and after. Before running that update, everything was 100% fine. After, everything was a nightmare.

[surreal moss]

My money is on EAC

[fleet wasp]

Ahhh possible

[surreal moss]

You're talking about a single application preventing any basic windows application from running. EAC is the only component I'm aware of that would have the ability to cause affect the os globally like that

[fleet wasp]

Mmmm! And it even makes sense, right, if something during install messed with the EAC stuff OR an incomplete launcher update. EAC might have seen that discrepancy and decided to go guns blazing.

[surreal moss]

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[fleet wasp]

Or it accidentally activated the Red Light version of EAC

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-dave-im-afraid-i-cant-do-that-gif-12928790

Anyway, thanks for going on that journey with me XD

[cinder lagoon]

thoughts? like it even reverse-imitated me 🤔

[surreal moss]

So it needs to add Denglish

[neat quartz]

Hey guys my buddy is having issues with his streaming from OBS. When he starts a stream and tries to load into MSFS his game capture goes to a black screen and doesn't display anything. We are not sure how to fix this issue.

[amber fable]

Try changing to a different capture method. Some games don't like game capture for whatever reason.

Window capture is strictly worse, but it will sometimes be more reliable (other times worse, so it isn't something you want to use normally), worst case you can always fall back to display capture and just show what the monitor is showing.

[neat quartz]

So when he is in the game menu the stream is working and can see the menu. As soon as he hits "Fly Now" it goes to a black screen.

[amber fable]

Yeah. There is a solid chance the game is changing something about how it renders when going to actual gameplay. Try another capture method.

He is targeting the application by name correct, and not just targeting "any fullscreen application"?

[neat quartz]

Yes he has it capturing MSFS

We fixed it. Another program was hiding the screen that we couldn't see

[lusty heart]

Anyone know what could cause CPU fans to completely turn off and cause failsafe shut-off to kick in?
Only seems to happen when under heavy load with specific games. Sons of the Forest specifically seems to have been causing it.

[amber fable]

That sound like either really interesting fan curves, an exciting firmware bug, or some kind of hardware error. Good luck

[lusty heart]

Define interesting? I don't usually mess with the curve too much.

[amber fable]

Well, if the curve somehow dropped to 0 at high temps it would certainly be interesting.

[cinder lagoon]

The fuck is this??
It's giving malware...

so desperate oml

The gift card in question: Page unavailable
Gift cards for other things: 15000 Points for 10€ Amazon
They give one like 1,75€ in Microsoft store stuff with which you can buy: absolutely nothing

[jade scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043915566580256778/1080957683517108304/6a700e5439864b54837be2e8d6ddc64e.png

ok so

i might miiiight

get one in march

well later in march

after i get paied and after my birthday
i have funky experiments i wanna try

[cinder lagoon]

uhhh is that an AI accelerator?

[jade scaffold]

kinda

its an Arm SOC with an Ampere GPU on it

with 1,024 Cuda cores and 32 Tensor cores which places it above or arround the 1060 in raster performance roughly

the intention behind the thing is to do light ai stuffs for really low power cost like face recognition and stuff of that kind

and while I have some camera stuffs i wanna try i also may or maynot try to game on it

[neat quartz]

Is there a reason when I have Steam VR open and OBS is set up for VR streaming and I enable my headset in game Steam VR closes itself?

[lusty heart]

This fucker HEAVY

[jade scaffold]

That a chonker

[sonic meadow]

daaaaamn, so another one of those for the CPU?

[jade scaffold]

What you using that chonky psu for

[mossy gull]

So uhm, I just have to share this, in the Netherlands we can trade in a PS5 for a PS5 + God of War Ragnarok for 220.-........

[jade scaffold]

Free game I guess

[mossy gull]

Free game, for 220,-

[jade scaffold]

Oh that's what you mean I thought you just meant you could trade a ps5 for another one with the game

Mb

Yea what the hell

[mossy gull]

I can buy 4 games for 220.-🤣

[jade scaffold]

Or you get GoW for 220

[cinder lagoon]

i guess they meant ps4

[mossy gull]

Nope, PS5

With the PS4 Pro we need to pay 420.-

If you don't believe me here's the link
https://www.gamemania.nl/nl/ps5-inruilactie-ps4?utm_source=Game+Mania+NL&utm_campaign=83f9aebc37-NL_TARGET_2023_WK09_Inruilactie+PS5+-+Overige&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_06d942bdf2-83f9aebc37-99164397&mc_cid=83f9aebc37&mc_eid=674bd1b6d3

[jade scaffold]

I am really struggling to find a place to buy NVidia Jetson Orin NX's every where i've seen them i would have to import them i can get the Jetson Xavier NX but thats using older gen cores and less of them and i want the newer gen cores

[mossy gull]

Dev boards are being scalped like there's no tomorrow

[jade scaffold]

They aren't even being scalped

I can't find them on ebay either

I can only get them from a few US vendors and I really do t want to be paying import fees

[cinder lagoon]

uhhh what fucn software do I best use to check bad sectors on Windows?
What's that disk cloning software ya'll recommend? I forgor

[mossy gull]

If you want to pay look at EaseUs

[cinder lagoon]

just the fact that they hijack basically every google search related to hard drives makes me vomit 😬

[mossy gull]

I don't use Google so I wouldn't know, all I know is they're 1 of the most known software if it comes to storage devices.

[mossy gull]

Also if that makes you vomit I am surprised you use Google as they literally shove their products down your throat.

[cinder lagoon]

I am pretty much advertisement blind and root my phones so no - I only see / have the services I actually want
(which is pretty much limited to: search engine, assistant occasionally, chrome because sharing between devices is integrated well, youtube, find my device, lineageOS android)

[mossy gull]

Says the 1 who still uses Google

[cinder lagoon]

but like I think shadowcalen always had a recommendation for.... AHH MAcrium reflect!

[mossy gull]

I wouldn't know, I had EaseUs for almost 10 years so it's all I used so far😅

[cinder lagoon]

I guess I'll need to just use something for linux tbh. Windows softwares are all at least Freemium...

[cinder lagoon]

I know they track me. I don't try to prevent it. It's just that all the tracking I've found has only affected me positively as my life is 95% Ad-free.

[mossy gull]

I am probably around 80%, don't really follow it, but I have a lot of stuff to stop ads and trackers

[cinder lagoon]

I've about never bought something I've seen in an ad. I even kind-of try to avoid thing's I see in ads xD

[mossy gull]

I found EaseUs way before Internet became infested by ads, and I always try to find links without ads

[frozen igloo]

My family forgot the password to their computer and want me to try to login non destructively to check for pictures, is there anyway I can bypass the windows login password?

[sacred seal]

Linux Live usb

[frozen igloo]

Just a install key and boot to it from BIOS?

Nevermind saw the edit

[sacred seal]

You install a iso with some particular settings and boot from it

[frozen igloo]

Does it matter what ISO I think I have mint or ubuntu somewhere

[sacred seal]

I will send some links when I get home

[frozen igloo]

Sounds good

[sacred seal]

You can actually reset there password this way

[frozen igloo]

I probably won't have time to get to it this week as I have a robotics tournament though I'll set up the key and mess with it next week, I'm assuming I need to go and edit part of the registry?

[sacred seal]

Boot into Linux, change command prompt to on screen keyboard, boot into windows open on screen keyboard (which is now command prompt), make a new admin account, log into account and delete the password off the other account

Yes, this actually works... At least in windows 10

[frozen igloo]

It's on windows 10

I have a computer at work I need to bypass as well on windows 7 pro

[sacred seal]

Windows 7 is easier, you can boot into safe mode with admin

Yes, passwords mean nothing

[frozen igloo]

I know that as I have destructively bypassed them on other family computers

If in doubt do a completely fresh install

[sacred seal]

Yea, distuctive is easy. This way you get access to everything.

Though it is obvious that you removed there password

So you would get caught

[frozen igloo]

https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile/54e5d0/how-to-reset-your-password-in-windows-10/ is this the right method of converting the on screen keyboard to command prompt?

[frozen igloo]

I've always had express permission so no issue legally, they just wanted the computer functional again

[sacred seal]

I'm just poking fun at how insecure windows is

And yes, that is basically the same method

I like doing it my way, less command prompt to potentially screw up

But that has fewer steps

[frozen igloo]

That's why I never keep important files on it

[frozen igloo]

I'd do a fresh install after checking for files, so it's not a huge deal if I break something

[cinder lagoon]

you can re-enable the Admin account from the recovery environment/install media

[sacred seal]

Ah yes, forgot about this. https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview

How to make a live boot, just running this will allow you to quickly view the files that are on the system

[cinder lagoon]

also keep in mind that if it's windows 10 and it's connected to the internet you can just reset the MS-Account password via mail. there's even a button for it on the login screen.

[sacred seal]

Depends on how you have your accounts set up

I still run offline accounts for everything

[frozen igloo]

I think it’s a offline account, i’ll take a look at it when I get a chance

[cold girder]

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Desktop Processor, ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR X670E HERO Motherboard, Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz DDR5 AMD Ready for $2047 aud

is this good? ill have to get a cooler to prob aio.

[jade scaffold]

what GPU you planning on running with that

also that is an absurdly pricy mobo

[cold girder]

i got a 3080 evga FTW but my cpu and mobo are very outdated

[mossy gull]

Get a Strix motherboard and you save enough money for a 7950X3D

If you don't heavily overclock a Strix motherboard is good enough

[cinder lagoon]

*more than good enough

[mossy gull]

Actually a Strix X670 board can do heavy overclock and it's more than enough for 99% of all people who got a Crosshair board

[sacred seal]

2k aud for just core components is not good value.

And if you are not doing streaming or some other heavy workload the 7950x is not the best choice

[mossy gull]

The Crosshair is 1K, the Strix X670 is ±500.- and does the exact same things but with less overclocking headroom(which is still a high ceiling).
If you want to PCIe slots over overclocking go for the ProArt X670, it's also around 500.-

Which mind you, also has a high overclocking ceiling

For most people I recommend more in this direction, still a lot of horsepower and way cheaper.
Especially if you don't overclock.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YTPZjZ

[amber fable]

Wait a month or two for the 7800X3D

[mossy gull]

But Nevy can be a lot cheaper than 2K

[cinder lagoon]

have you considered that this might be a boutique build or just going practically for the best at the time? cuz that's pretty much the only thing I can read from it ^^'

[cinder lagoon]

What is the purpose of this hypothetical computer and what do you have now? More context pls :P

[mossy gull]

It's overkill for literally 95% of all gamers.

[cinder lagoon]

in no way denying that :D

[mossy gull]

It's even overkill for the content creators

[surreal moss]

If someone’s goal is complete overkill and they have the funds for it then that’s fine

[sacred seal]

If someone wants to waste their money that's fine, but they should probably know that is what they are doing

[amber fable]

I don't regret my 3950x at all, however I do a lot of stuff that isn't gaming on this machine, and even then I don't actually load it to max all that often. I could have gotten a 3800 and been every bit as happy while gaming.

What the extra cores get me is care-free CPU encoding for streaming (no matter how much I load it, the game will never know), really zippy compile times for large projects, and lots of headroom for VMs.

My coworker has a 5600x and he runs all the same (non-game) workloads I do... Just slower.

Was it worth the money? Eh, well. I don't regret it.

[jade scaffold]

its not so much the processor that people have issue with

its the mobo thats worth more than the CPU

if you want a 16 core thats all well and good future proofing and all

but that mobo is just i have money and a lighter the item

[mossy gull]

For me the 1K costing motherboard is a no-go if you never ever will use its intended purpose, you better can save some money and get a better GPU or CPU, maybe more RAM or storage.

[jade scaffold]

modern mobos even mid end ones are insanely high quality

the VRMs on them are so stupidly overkill that they'll never die

if you've ever seen a Server mobos VRM they are no where near as enormous and they handle much more powerful processors running for nearly 100% uptime

[mossy gull]

For the 500.- extra on the motherboard you can get 5TB of SSD space just to say something useful.

[jade scaffold]

gaming mobo VRMs are so stupid overkill that they dont actually need the heatsinks that are on them they run cool without them

the heatsinks are there mostly for the looks because mobos look desolate without them

tbh for the price of that mobo

i'd expect it to have a full on mono block

also quick thing about server uptime completly unrelated my servers been going for a whole 77 days none stop

[sonic meadow]

Neat. Alas my servers uptime needs to build back up after I put the fixed gpu back in. silly fan dying

[amber fable]

I bought a really high end mobo. And yeah, it has some cool features, but I could have got most of them for about 2/3 the price. That is probably the only part I bought that I actually regret a little.

The gen4 SSDs are nice sometimes, I didn't get crazy RAM in the first place, the overpowered CPU is amazing for my job, the GPU shortage forced me to not get the 3090 I was planning to get, really, everything on the insane overbuilt machine I ended up with at least pulls its weight except the mobo.

My dislike for RGB saved me a ton of regret

Since I then ended up with stuff that was almost really dumb.

So yeah, for optimal long term happiness, buy a midrange mobo (possibly with diagnostic lights and bios flashback)

I should write up a proper part-for-part retrospective on how I feel about my "I have the money now, I'm building the PC I always dreamed of" PC now that I have used it for a few years.

[cinder lagoon]

Hey I just found the actual purpose for "Fast Startup" in windows in the MS Docs:

Fast startup is where the user is logged off before the hibernation file is created. This allows for a smaller hibernation file, more appropriate for systems with less storage capabilities.
That's so useless on SSDs...
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/power/system-power-states#fast-startup-reduced-hibernation-file

[mossy gull]

Welcome to a system meant for people who don't want SSDs

[sonic meadow]

that was something they introduced around the point where SSDs were starting to become common.

[cinder lagoon]

it's also still the default even tho it comes with major drawbacks and firmware comlications

[jade scaffold]

OK so I'm gonna get a jetson xavier which is the old gen one but the new ones use the same slots and are cross compatible for the most part

So what ever I make for the old one should work on the new ones when they make it to the uks ebay

Unfortunatly the old ones have what is in effect a gt 1030 in them rather than somthing more equivilabt to a 1050ti/1060 3gb like the new ones but we ball

[cinder lagoon]

looking at it like this actually makes the terminology make sense...

thing is: it's about data directions. in the high end cases cables are not just cables anymore. They contain chips that also interact with both sides of the conversation (seperately) and they might not support the newer direction changing protocol/technology for specific lanes.

[mossy gull]

That's why we see more USB-C.
USB-A is a Host port
USB-B is a Slave port
USB-C is a Host/Slave port
This has an effect on data transfer and more.

[cinder lagoon]

yeah.. I soon might be implementing the Handshake part of the USB-PD protocol 🥴
Maybe I'll add it to the stack of unfinished stuff in like 4 months :)

[mossy gull]

The Handshake protocol should be baked into any USB-C port and cable though

[cinder lagoon]

a port is a passive device in almost all cases.
I am replacing the parts behind the port. (see this https://superuser.com/q/1772816/1779806)

plan was this.
Now I would be pretty much replacing the Spoof so I can "advertise" both, PD and data host functionality.

[inland dove]

USB is the most overly complicated shit there is.

[cinder lagoon]

it's goo tho! I think they even specify what devices should do in case you plug two same devices together which can both be host and slave, aswell as power source and sink. just gotta find that section xD

[mossy gull]

I prefer 1 cable that works for everything over 100 different cables.

[inland dove]

Agreed.

[cinder lagoon]

ohh god it's literally a power gear box

[signal star]

Selling my 6900XT and gonna buy a used Nvidia card. What’s gonna be my best bang for buck gpu with the same or better performance? 3080?

[cinder lagoon]

same/better is gonna be between 3080 and 3080Ti depending on model.
What is the purpose? I would hold off and let the next upgrade be to something >=4080

[signal star]

Star Citizen mostly

[cinder lagoon]

only do that if you got literally money to burn.

[signal star]

Well I’m selling my new 6900 and using that money for the 3080

[cold girder]

all my bottlenecking is in my 1700x ryzen 7 on a Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 mobo. i keep hesitating to pull the pin on a better settup.

and 3080 has been good to me and took all the effort for games

[signal star]

What 3080 do you have? Is there a “best” one?

[cold girder]

i got an evga ftw one

[signal star]

Cool

I like EVGA styling, but with them no longer making GPUs, idk if I’d wanna get one

[cinder lagoon]

it's a sidegrade at best. Only worth it if you really want RTX features.

[cinder lagoon]

they still produce the old ones, just the new ones didn't make it into retail. (There exists a fair share of EVGA 4080s)

I would say the "best" ones are from KingPin, which was an EVGA sub-brand. They are meant for (sub-zero) overclocking but are also pretty much the best in normal use.

[cinder lagoon]

y'all know that moment when you're speccin out a system and you need a fuckin flowchart to finally decide on the config??

*my bad, discord doesn't like 3.3MB 12k pngs...

[jade scaffold]

looking for carrier boards for my Xavier
looking at the A203 which seems promising but im looking at it and is this thing using the same port RC Planes tend to use for their batteries?

XT30 i think the ports called

[cinder lagoon]

yea, XT30 (was it XT40 maybe??) is a popular and great connector. no problem with that.

[jade scaffold]

yea its reliable from what i know

my issue is i want it to be USB C tbh it doesnt matter that much im gonna end up making my own carrier board that fits for what i want

though if there was a premade one that would work for what i want that'd be great too

[cinder lagoon]

what do the boards achieve?
USB-C for power delivery is only when using USB PD chips. There are 100W (configurable) USB-PD spoofs for $10 available online.

[cinder lagoon]

looking at the provided picture, these boards come with a 28ish pin connector including a proprietary protocol to connect to the Compute unit.
As this thing also has HDMI, USB and ethernet, aswell as an M.2 slot, there seems to be some PCI link happening.
a one-off PCI compliant board is not feasible so you'll need to rely on professional manufacturers

[jade scaffold]

its a carrier board for an NVidia Jetson

thoes rows of pins are just Programable input and output pins they can be set to do anything you want

the actuall connector that connects the SOB to the carrier board is SODIMM

[cinder lagoon]

ohh. then it's even less feasible xD

[jade scaffold]

whats less feasable

[cinder lagoon]

well, developing a board from scratch that will interface with similar things is really hard, especially as a single person.

[jade scaffold]

yea cool. but im not paying several thousend pound to get someone else to do it especially when im only going to be using very very few of the features

[signal star]

I had the install button but when I clicked it the launcher crashed!

[mossy gull]

It wants you to stick with 3.17.5

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/yOxxqrDLWFo

[mossy gull]

Fun fact: The opposite of Microsoft Office is Macrohard onfire

[jade scaffold]

Incredible

[cold girder]

1 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D Desktop Processor
1 ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI Motherboard
1 Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE LCD Display Liquid CPU Cooler
1 Kingston FURY Beast RGB 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MHz DDR5 AMD Does this look good for a new pc or should i go cheaper (traded out better mobo for x3d)

need to upgrade soonish

[jade scaffold]

why you wanting to spend so much on a mobo

mobos dont effect performance unless the mobo is a pile of steaming trash

also what you doing with this PC

gaming streaming content creation?

[mossy gull]

It looks much better,
And the "better" motherboard isn't worth the price.

The X3D gives you performance a motherboard can't

[cold girder]

mostly gaming but a big chunk of processing of 3d models. that particular board is 100 off at the moment and has CMOS/bios flashback and the functionality i want. prob is a better-priced board but reliability is important to last me. my current is an old gigabyte mobo that has lasted but out dated

[mossy gull]

All Asus Boards in the ROG line and even the Creator line have a BIOS flashback and CMOS clear button

[cinder lagoon]

if you don't need WiFi, see if the X670-F is also off

[cold girder]

I did not know that... that's very useful cheers

[cold girder]

could not find an asus x670-f only x670-p or x670e-f

[mossy gull]

I build primarily with Asus Strix and Creator board for other people.
But I am still from the old generation so I usually pull out the CMOS

[cold girder]

the Strix is mid-range price wise but the build quality of reviews seems very good. Haven't looked at creator boards at all tho.

[cinder lagoon]

ohh wow they changed their naming scheme so you can have two letters meaning absolutely different things

[cinder lagoon]

https://www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard/AMD-AM5-X670-B650/#:~:text=choose your x670e %2F x670 motherboard
scroll to "Choose your motherboard"

also they have this article linked on their store: https://edgeup.asus.com/2022/x670-motherboard-guide/

[mossy gull]

Mid range is just a term for boards past 200.-
It's far from midrange, they're that good that they have 95% of the functionality of the much much more expensive Crosshair boards.
Usually the only true differences are the overclocking headroom, which you could say you need liquid nitrogen for.

[cinder lagoon]

*screams internally because my top tier motherboard cost me 160€

[cold girder]

sorry i meant just price wise the one i was looking at are 300, 600 and 900+ aud so the mobo was 600 aud range

[mossy gull]

Crosshair still isn't really worth it compared to the ProArt Creator and ROG Strix.

[cold girder]

yeah Strix seems better

[mossy gull]

I personally am going ProArt Creator for my own build

[jade scaffold]

modern mobos generally even the mid-low end ones are staggeringly reliable like just stupidly so alot of server boards are less well built despite having to handle much more power and stress, and companies do this just so they can advertise their boards as being super good

[cinder lagoon]

also super expensive™️

[jade scaffold]

yea that too

my B550 has pretty much all the features bar PCIE Gen4 support for the 2nd M.2 slot that the X570s do

also fun fact smaller mobos with less ram slots are typically better for RAM Clock stability

and the high end boards also have so many power phases that thoes huge heat sinks on them do almost literally nothing

[cinder lagoon]

more weight = more quality

[jade scaffold]

they also look better

boards without much in the way of heatsinks dont look very good

[cinder lagoon]

ya think I can somehow hook up one of these https://www.hp.com/at-de/products/accessories/product-details/38000153 (HP 13L60AA)
to provide power for my 12V computer and use it as a USB connection?

if not, maybe someone has any info on this: #1084835424096235530

[jade scaffold]

what you wanna hook it up to

what lil computer only drawing 100W total

this was also my plan for powering my jetson just grab a USB C PD port and board
the issue with passing USB 3.1 through is its not just the 4 pins that USB 2 has

[sonic meadow]

huh, interesting thought. pair it with a hdplex/whatever and run a low power pc off usb-c

[jade scaffold]

could maybe run like a 5600g off of it with a 12VO mobo

[cinder lagoon]

200W but I will limit on USB-C power. got that 65W i3-10105 and like 30-40W additionally

200W will be peak power

[jade scaffold]

i mean if its not usually pulling 200w possibe you could like give it a battery too so it just charges up when not going full power and can last a lil while both unpluged and while pluged in full tilt would be a fun lil reliability feature i think

[cinder lagoon]

which is exactly the case

this is the plan

[jade scaffold]

kinda the plan for my Jetson build
though my jetson idea is that it'll end up in one of 3 things
either a laptop a bootleg steam deck, or an adorable little portable workstation for when I go on holiday
depends on the difficulty of the first 2 the 3rd option is really easy i just cad my self up a case 3d print it to test fit then get it made out of aluminium for the final construction once everything is verified to work how i want

[cinder lagoon]

I'd say what I'm building is a portable workstation but make it watertight. also I'ts pretty configurable.
As said before, I will publish my entire project along with ideas on what else to do with it. If there is no demand for english version tho, I won't translate it ^^'

[jade scaffold]

if i go down the tiny work station rout
my plan is to make something smaller than the MAC studio but of similarish design language

also an excuse to use noctua 40mms thinking maybe 3 of them

[cinder lagoon]

ahhh noice

[cinder lagoon]

USB 3.1 and 3.2 use the same pins as 3.0, with the exception of "alternate mode" (DP over Type-C). It's just that power provision is first handled out over the power delivery pins. Passing the actual data pins is as easy as using two breakout boards

[jade scaffold]

3.0 3.1 and 3.2 have 5 more pins than 2.0 was jus saying that USB 3.0s are just that little bit more inconvinient to wire than 2.0s

USB C has silly ammounts of pins but thats because its pretty much the ultimate multifunction port

[cinder lagoon]

yea it does

the bottom side is just a duplication of the top one tho

more or less at least

[jade scaffold]

yea

you wanna see a real pinout pain though?

[cinder lagoon]

your Jetson? bring it on :P

[jade scaffold]

260

theres actually alot of ground there more than i expected

it also has dedicated USB Pins which actually simplifies some things alot

[sonic meadow]

looks like one per differential pair, and one for each other i/o group

[jade scaffold]

yea

[cinder lagoon]

Ahhh I think it's fine! It's just many buses which are wired through. No logic involved or anything, just gotta make sure signal integrity is OK