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[jade scaffold]

My spikes just like an emergency thing so I know if my contact has somehow become poor

Otherwise my fans just run at like 20% all the time nice and silent

[jade scaffold]

Disassembling my Old sony MDR-1000X's to repair them already replaced the Ear pads just gotta replace the side bits

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915860280158875699/1067084352279818313/IMG_20230123_141159.jpg

gonna sell them to a friend me thinks though they make me kinda nostalgic

[cinder lagoon]

The AMD 7900XTs have very loud fans - you might try to keep the card at a lower pace until you maybe get a waterblock but I rathe suggest S-shaped fan curves.

[signal star]

7900XTs?

U mean my 6900XT?

[cinder lagoon]

No I meant 7900XT/7900XTX - I misread your statement but I recommend the same

[ember hazel]

It was a RAM tuning test to see the performance uplift in CPU bound areas, you can see the 4k video here https://youtu.be/ESMyu4wuT4Q, by all means I play in 4k but test in 1080p to identify bottlenecks in the PC set up

[mossy gull]

The 4090 bottlenecks in 1080p.

[jade scaffold]

Yea the 4090 in 1080p is a comical waste of money

In 3440x1440 which is ultra wide 1440p my 3090 is bottlenecked and that's with like 2.3x the pixel count

But I guess for cpu uplift testing that's what you would want

But that raises the question in a reasonable resolution would star citizen see any actuall uplift from ram overclocking

[signal star]

Corsair has a CPU + GPU + M.2 custom loop that's $1k. That normal for that kind of setup?

[sacred seal]

That sounds about right

Well depending on how much rad it comes with

[mossy gull]

How much rads and stuff?

[signal star]

so its 1x XR5 280mil and 1x XR5 240mil for $145

oh damn and it comes with the fans in the kit too

[mossy gull]

Don't you mean “mm“?

[signal star]

mil = mm

at least for me LUL

[mossy gull]

"mil" is abbreviation for million

[signal star]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[mossy gull]

"mm" means millimetre and its abbreviation is always "mm"

[signal star]

okay... well that's why I prefer Imperial units

🤣

but back on the topic at hand

[sonic meadow]

Even worse, a mil is 1/1000 of an inch

[mossy gull]

Welcome to the world of electronics, where everything is build with the metric system.

[signal star]

so 1x 280mm and 1x 240mm rad for $145

[mossy gull]

Which is 2.54 micrometer or "um"

[mossy gull]

That's pricey, especially for rads.

But then I don't know how much Corsair marks up rads.

On 1 side the starterset is decently priced, on the other side it is pretty expensive

[signal star]

yeah

[sonic meadow]

That's usually how they go

[signal star]

I'd also lean to go with a company like Corsair since I already have some products from them and very happy with them

[mossy gull]

They make decent quality products, much better quality than Razer.

[sonic meadow]

It's one of those questions of how much you value your own time(picking out parts), and how much you trust yourself to get everything you need, especially if it's your first time doing custom water cooling

[mossy gull]

😏

[sonic meadow]

That is a beast

[mossy gull]

I have a PC with my radiator.

[signal star]

I dont trust myself going out and being able to get everything I need on the first go. I would gladly put that on a company like Corsair that has a business (or at least a department) built on watercooling

[mossy gull]

Alphacool, EKWB, Corsair, all make really good quality watercooling parts.

[signal star]

Not disputing that at all or detracting form EK & Alphacool, but I dont know them. I know Corsair

[mossy gull]

In the watercooling market EKWB and Alphacool are more common, Corsair just tries to make it more easy but usually overprices their parts.

My kinda rad

[signal star]

do they have a kit like Corsair does?

[mossy gull]

I don't know, I actually never look for them, I think EK has them.
I deal with more custom builds so I rarely start with sets.

https://www.alphacool.com/shop/aios-sets/?p=1

With most you only have to buy the tubes.

[signal star]

ok

[mossy gull]

Things I like with Alphacool is their quick disconnects.

So expanding it is really easy without losing too much liquid.

That's also why I prefer custom loops, my last had 4 quick disconnects near the CPU and GPU, so upgrading is really easy while keeping the loop.

[jade scaffold]

too big you fool this all people need in their pc

that and a A4x20

from noctua

[signal star]

wait will this EK block work with my XFX MERC 319 6900XT Limited Black? Says XFX 6900XT but the picture when I click on it is the reference card
https://www.ekwb.com/configurator/waterblock/3831109833728

[mossy gull]

I love their 40mm rad🤣

[jade scaffold]

ik i want one

[mossy gull]

It's so adorable

[jade scaffold]

maybe ill get like a steam deck mobo and jerry rig a tiny water block and that rad onto it

[mossy gull]

Check if your GPU is a reference card and not a full custom

[signal star]

It is not reference

this is the card I have
https://www.newegg.com/xfx-radeon-rx-6900-xt-rx-69xtacsd9/p/N82E16814150859?Item=N82E16814150859

[jade scaffold]

they mean the PCB

there is a standard PCB design for GPUs in a given generation

[mossy gull]

Only way to find out is to disassemble it or find videos about it.
The board has to be reference, the cooler can be whatever it wants to be.

[jade scaffold]

this is called the Reference PCB

[mossy gull]

I want 2 as hand warmers 😃

[jade scaffold]

also gonna attempt to cool a raspbery pi with my old 3090 FE cooler

[signal star]

from what I've seen its an XTXH card. that what you mean?

[mossy gull]

That's so overkill, I love it

[signal star]

whatever that means

[jade scaffold]

yea my issue is getting connectors for the tiny ass ribon cables

[mossy gull]

This is what the reference PCB looks like

[jade scaffold]

i think its different

[mossy gull]

Your biggest issue is properly powering the fans

[jade scaffold]

looks like it has 3 8 pins

[jade scaffold]

the fans pull like no power thats not gonna be an issue

[signal star]

I have 2x8pins

[jade scaffold]

oh ive seen ones with 3 though might be a different model

also theres 2 of these

[mossy gull]

Then only way to find out is to disassemble the card and see if it's the same as the reference PCB, just know that you need thermal paste or liquid metal before you start.

[jade scaffold]

then theres the god forbiden lighting cable

[signal star]

maybe. In the newegg page you can see it has 2z8pins

[signal star]

wont that void my warranty?

[jade scaffold]

yep

[signal star]

https://tenor.com/view/fozzy-fuck-bar-i-fucked-up-facepalm-gif-4950549

[jade scaffold]

i never had one anyway

bought my GPU second hand because buying new is for people with too much money

[mossy gull]

If you do it very very carefully and use thermal paste the same as the manufacturer you can sort of bypass the Void warranty 😃

[mossy gull]

Are you talking to me

[jade scaffold]

not really

they have all the stickers and crap on them

usually you can take off the back plate though

without voiding the warente

[mossy gull]

Not all manufacturers do that, I know Inno3D doesn't do that.

[jade scaffold]

very rare theres a sticker for the back plate

[mossy gull]

But MSI is notorious for warranty stickers.

MSI will void your warranty if you upgrade your SSD or RAM on laptops.

[amber fable]

Warranty void stickers generally hold no legal value.

[jade scaffold]

this is true however

who the fuck is gonna fight that in court

[mossy gull]

In case of MSI it means if it breaks it's on you and they put the blame on you if it breaks.
Even if the warranty sticker breaks or loosens of heat.
So if you have a hotboy GPU, and it suddenly decides it's gonna die, and the sticker is damaged, MSI puts the blame on you.

In my time with PCs, MSI and Gigabyte have the most warranty stickers, Dell has the least amount of stickers or basically none.

[amber fable]

That isn't how it works legally though, and if you keep pushing them over it they will often give in.

[jade scaffold]

said pushing is usually having to take it to court

[mossy gull]

Oh I know, but most people will pay for the "repair".

[jade scaffold]

just bugging them leads them to constantly respond to you with the standard customer response script

[mossy gull]

Nah, just say you're gonna put them in a bad daylight is usually good enough.
But it's bad enough it has to happen.

I done marketing in college, or basically just sit in class while I have no lessons.
So I know how to deal with their standard response.

But basically never give in to what they offer, push till they say they'll replace the product.

[ember hazel]

Did you see the whole video I answer that question many times you can clearly see that a 3600mhz bottlenecks even in 4k in areas where there are no clouds https://youtu.be/ESMyu4wuT4Q

[mossy gull]

Your benchmarking a server based game.
If you have a bad Internet connection or you play during massive events the game will run much worse.

[ember hazel]

Your missing the point

[deft star]

SC is just a terrible choice to do a benchmark, if you want to see how a system performs then run GTA V. its a DirectX 11 game too.
and dont run 1080p benchmarks, thats just pointless for a GPU of that tier

[mossy gull]

1080p benchmarks on the 4090 are useless because in a lot of games it's CPU bottlenecked.

[sacred seal]

That would actually be the point in this case. You are benchmarking the impact of the ram on the CPU

Or more specifically how higher ram speeds affect the CPUs ability to pump out more frames in SC.

You want your GPU bottnecked so you get the clearest results

The results may not scale well up to higher resolutions, but it gives a decent look at the sorry state of the game under the hood

Your not benchmarking the 4090, you are benchmarking SC

[mossy gull]

But memory speeds change per CPU as well as not everyone, will have the same RAM and CPU.
An AMD CPU for example is very memory sensitive while Intel isn't.
If you want to benchmark memory stuff be prepared to have both an Intel and AMD system.

[sacred seal]

I agree that it's not a perfect test, but it does cover a good half of the use cases. Considering it seems to scale on intel, I would expect to see at least the same, if not more scaling on AMD

[signal star]

ok found which PCB my 6900XT is

[cinder lagoon]

Anybody decent with markdown please over to #1068104847511011468 thxxx

[jade scaffold]

Fixed

and they work fine yay got a spare replacement part in the event either the replacement part or remaining original part break
ya know its really weird i was switching between my main headphones and these ones i just fixed and I've only just remembered how much better my main pair are but like they aren't At all bad especially not for 6 year old headphones that have been dragged around the entire fucking planet at this point

[cinder lagoon]

noice - always love to see repairing stuff

[signal star]

Looking at getting a NR200MAX, but my MERC 319 6900XT is 340mm long. Concerned it will not fit

[mossy gull]

If you try hard enough it'll always fit😃

[signal star]

lol

but seriously tho

and I'm gonna need AM4 ITX motherboard recommendations

[mossy gull]

What you also can look for is Asus ROG DTX board if your GPU is directly attached to the motherboard, it is an extended ITX with I believe extra M.2 slots.

[signal star]

so the MAX comes with a 4.0 Riser cable and from what I've seen you can't have the GPU connected directly to the motherboard

[mossy gull]

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-viii-impact-model/

[signal star]

What i do know is that i am not interested in MSI lol

[signal star]

yup am looking at that now

[mossy gull]

It's basically same ITX width, just a tad longer

It fits in some ITX cases

Not all though

[signal star]

Is ASUS considered the best motherboard manufacturer?

[mossy gull]

I mainly build with Asus just because of their service.
I avoid MSI because I have seen so many products break right after warranty.

[signal star]

So i just checked my local Microcenter and this is the only ITX motherboard they have
https://www.microcenter.com/product/625696/gigabyte-b550i-aorus-pro-ax-amd-am4-mini-itx-motherboard

[mossy gull]

I am no fan of Gigabyte after their PSU shinanigans

[signal star]

they do have this in Open Box, but idk what that means
https://www.microcenter.com/product/613206/asus-x570-i-rog-strix-amd-am4-mini-itx-motherboard?ob=1

[mossy gull]

That's a good board.

[signal star]

Open box is $250

[mossy gull]

But I am gonna nap, I am getting really tired so goodnight.
And PS: I heard AsRock also makes decent boards but I don't have experience with them.
Also 250.- for open box, I would ask them if you can inspect the board for any faults.

[sonic meadow]

Open box means that the box has been opened. It could be a return, a display model, or one of a few other things. Typically they are cheaper because it doesn't have that new car smell anymore

[signal star]

but they're still covered under warranty?

[sonic meadow]

not a clue. that all depends on the place selling them really.

I'm not in the usa so have no experience with the specifics of microcenter

[sacred seal]

Most often they will have the same warranty as a new product, but its best to double check

[signal star]

Friend with a 1080ti is buying my 6900XT. Now in the market for an XTX

[mossy gull]

I hope you can find 1, but I suggest getting 1 from an AIB and not a reference.

[signal star]

I'm looking for the reference because of how small it is. If there's an AIB that's 2.5 slot like the reference I'll be all over it

[mossy gull]

The Reference only has 2 8-pin and has literally no room for an overclock.
And the reference cooler doesn't cool good and if the card is mounted like any other card you have a chance it overheats.

[jade scaffold]

2x8 pin can do over clocking

[mossy gull]

It can, but barely has the headroom.

[jade scaffold]

idk 14% extra power you can do quite a bit with

its not 20% like pascal could do or like some board partners might do

regardless theres no real reason to overclock anything other than memory on your GPU

[mossy gull]

Overclockers noticed that AIB 7900XTX overclock miles better because they have 3 8-pin connectors.

[jade scaffold]

i'd recomend getting a Reference board just not the founders edition card just for water blocks

[jade scaffold]

did they water cool both cards if not their results are actually likely a result of cooling

as someone who over clocks alot how much extra power you can give a gpu is NOT the biggest factor to better performance

Cooling by far is

[mossy gull]

You know that the card's TDP is 350w?
But that's without turbo, turbo can make the card reach the max 2 8-pins can deliver.

[jade scaffold]

just from going from 85C down to 45C you'll genuinely see performance scores rise by 5-10% if you can keep 45C very stably even when putting more power into the GPU then you can usually push clocks high enough to get yourself another 5-10% but thats completely dependant on stability of the cooler silicon lottery

[jade scaffold]

you do know the PCIE slot delivers 75W right putting total power way over what the card can use anyway

even with a totally topped out OC my 3090 comes no where near absolutely maxing that

[mossy gull]

Still, people have trouble overclocking the reference 7900XTX.

[jade scaffold]

not that extra power actually helps

in anything other than Extreme overclocking

which you arent gonna do for gaming

[mossy gull]

Plus the reference cooler has some serious problems with its Vapor Chamber when orientated with the cooler facing down.

[jade scaffold]

right i know

read what i type

"i'd recomend getting a Reference board just not the founders edition card just for water blocks"

cooling is like i said the single biggest factor in achieving higher clocks
AIB cards overclock better because they aren't fucking fire hazards like the reference cards and actually run real cool

if you must get a Founders edition card put a water block on it as soon as possible just because of the cooler issues it has that and who doesnt like a quiet pc

[mossy gull]

So far I only read that AIB cards are much better overclockers

Mainly because of their headroom

[jade scaffold]

yes because they are cooled better thats what happens when you have a heat sink 2x the size of the FE ones

it has nothing to do with head room unless you are overclocking competetivly

they'll overclock "Better" by the technicality that the clock speeds will be marginally higher and they'll get a few extra points in 3DMark they wont actually be any better for gaming

unless the card you are using was woefully underclocked in the first place you wont get any extra performance out of it past a few un noticeable % from overclocking

[mossy gull]

Just know that AMD overclocking ain't the same as NVidia.
If the card deems you don't have enough power you don't have enough power.

[jade scaffold]

better cooling and then just slamming the power slider to max is the best you can do on modern GPUs anyone who says otherwise is taking their Extra 2 fps a little too seriously

overclocking is fun and if you like to overclock for the sport of it and trying to get into leader boards get an AIB card and try find a water block for it

if you just want to game it literally does not matter what card you get as long as it stays cool

[mossy gull]

Actually AIB cards reach at least 10fps more in CP2077 over the reference.

[jade scaffold]

over reference or over founders

because you dont seem to distinguish

the only way you can know for a fact that that extra pin is helping fucking anything is if both cards are running the exact same cooler

if not

like i said

[mossy gull]

So far people recommend AIB cards if you want to overclock so you have the power headroom.
The 7900XTX Reference has a power budget of a meager 375w apparently and people seem to hit that with just a tiny overclock.

[jade scaffold]

you can get 10% from just better cooling lmao

[mossy gull]

So far I am inclined to believe the majority of people that can't push their reference cards as far as cards with 3 8-pins.

[jade scaffold]

thats a driver issue from AMD

no you cant

no shit

what im saying is that if you water cool both cards the difference in performance would 100% be negligible

only noticable in benchmarks

not in actual games

[mossy gull]

Do you have an AMD GPU?

[jade scaffold]

AIB cards have better coolers than FE ones they are also allways factory clocked up

not at the moment but i've had them previously

ran a vega 56 for a little while that i borrowed off a friend

also the highest oc im actually seeing from the 7900xtx from none modded cards is 12%

[mossy gull]

I had a Vega FE or however you want to call it, it's very poor at overclocking, never reached more than 10% overclock, on damn watercooling and Conductonaut.

It just hit power limit

[jade scaffold]

yea the Vega cards were maxed at base

they were aweful overclockers

they did get a big ol boost from driver updates though

showing that amd have the potential to make good cards but just have no idea how to make software for them

[mossy gull]

Vega FE is also a 350w card, like the 7900XTX.
If the Vega FE barely got any higher I doubt the 7900XTX will get past much further its TDP.

[jade scaffold]

which really does still hold true because all AMDs apps for their cards are ass

[jade scaffold]

very few cards do

most cards are at their actuall performance limit pushing more power into them is just pissing in the wind

you get that tiny bit more performance for WAY more power

its just inefficient

its why i dont often run my over clocks past a memory overclock all the time

i did on my 1080ti because my 1080ti managed insanely higher clock speeds than what it should have done

[mossy gull]

Nvidia overclock is a breeze compared to AMD overclock that doesn't want to go past the hard limit with the 7000 series.

[jade scaffold]

im gonna be real with you

you should not overclock a modern GPU

you should Under Volt them

they run so much cooler and last so much longer if you do

and you dont even loose performance

the issue with these ultra high power cards these days is the majority of their performance actually comes from architectural changes if i run my 3090 at the wattage of the 1080ti its still 70% faster

[mossy gull]

I never overclock unless it's a factory overclock.
I only done it once with my Vega FE because it was getting old.

[jade scaffold]

none of my cards have warentee

so like

i overclock them for fun

i rarely run that OC though as the standard for the card

[mossy gull]

My Vega FEs are just in their box currently.

[jade scaffold]

becuse 50W Extra power consumption is not worth 6fps

[mossy gull]

Daisy chaining Vegas actually gave you almost 190% the performance of 1 card, which I did.

[jade scaffold]

my main tip for overclocking for people is Cooling is king pushing 600W into a badly cooled card will not net you better performance than a 350W card running at 45C

[mossy gull]

Although you needed a motherboard with 2 PCIe x16 with both 16 lanes slots, which most boards didn't have.

[jade scaffold]

cooling is extremely important to clock speed the closer down to ambient you are the better

[mossy gull]

Cooling only can do so much though, if you're on AMD you're just under its hard target, which is there because they tend to auto overclock till they reach their hard target.

[jade scaffold]

Cooling does the majority

it allways will

More temperature = More resistance = More Temperature and so on makes hot running GPUs extremely inefficient compared to cool running ones

AMDs GPUs base their clock off of junction/Hotspot Temp

which really fucks their clock speeds on air coolers im going to be honest if you can get thoes junction temps sub 65 you are in a really good place for overclocking

only at that point will more power matter

you can mainly see this in shunt modded GPUs unless under a chiller or LN2 performing way worse than standard GPUs

[mossy gull]

The thing is AMD usually loiks hotter than NVidia, but that's because NVidia doesn't use Junction temps.

[jade scaffold]

yea they dont

but AMDs boost algorithm is pretty similar

and because physics applies to everyone higher temps = lower clocks

you can to be clear get more clock with an overclock even at higher temps

but you need way more power to do it and its way less stable at higher temps than it would be at low ones

[mossy gull]

My junction temp rarely reaches 90c, and that's very very rarely.

[jade scaffold]

yea thats not a good thing

because their boosting algorithm is based on Junction temp

[mossy gull]

It's usually around 82c at max boost.

[jade scaffold]

i think idealy 65C is what is best for AMD Junction temp

i think thats the point it isnt cutting off any boost

i'll have to check

[mossy gull]

55c is just above idle of 45c.

[jade scaffold]

its really hard to find this thing online as no company lists how their GPUs decide how high to bost

[jade scaffold]

air coolers be like

[mossy gull]

I am also in a very small case because no room for a big tower

[sonic meadow]

I mean, most cards idle with their fan off. so do so fairly "hot"

[jade scaffold]

my 3090 pulling 120W at idle is at 37C though i did have a pillow covering like half the intake for my PC

[jade scaffold]

yea

just realised i cant see my fans through the front of my PC might need to empty the dust filter you know

[sonic meadow]

haha

I need to check the front filter on mine... and the psu filter too

that one does not get done very often

[mossy gull]

My card has no fans

[sonic meadow]

okay?

[mossy gull]

It's "passively" cooled by the case fans.

Same with my CPU, so 1 rises in temps and case fans turn faster

Before you wonder, yes thats the most efficient I could do in tiny ass case

[sonic meadow]

tiny cases are their own piles of fun

[jade scaffold]

i love tiny cases

i still wanna take a steam deck mobo and make a super adorable water cooled PC

[mossy gull]

Especially when they're an Xbox One case😃

[jade scaffold]

ironic really as i have one of the biggest types of case you can get

[mossy gull]

My PC cools from left to right😃

Just to make it fun

[jade scaffold]

mine is front and bottom to top

[mossy gull]

I wish I could do that

My next PC probably has to fit in a 2U or 1U chassis.

[sonic meadow]

ive got one of these cases (or similar) floating around that I want to do a tiny watercooled system in at some point. use some thick (possibly even double stacked) 120 (thats 2x60 not 1x120) or 160 rads and something screwy to fit a full height graphics card in

[mossy gull]

I would use 1 thick rad at the exhaust and the rest just intake fans.

[jade scaffold]

I want one of these to slap a 40mm noctua fan and 40mm alphacool rad on

[sonic meadow]

what exhaust? 😆

[jade scaffold]

this is my Case

i have 3 fans in the front 3 in the top 2 in the bottom and an addorable noctua 60mm on the server

my 2 rads are in the front and top

gonna put one in the bottom too for the server CPU when i can be arsed actually doing that

[mossy gull]

That's a humongous case that clearly won't fit in my place.

[jade scaffold]

it is indeed

[sonic meadow]

damn, dual vertical mounts

[mossy gull]

With my next build I am thinking either 7900XTX which I prefer or the 4090Ti if I have no other choice.

[jade scaffold]

dual motherboard mounts too

i have a Aorus B550 ProAC

and the atrocity that is my Server Mobo

[mossy gull]

Aren't they both atrocities🙃

My motherboard is a DTX from Asus, forgot the name of.

[jade scaffold]

nah my Aorus board is really good

the server board is also really good

its just cursed

now all i need is a EYPC Genoa ITX board

[mossy gull]

Why an Epyc?

[jade scaffold]

C L O C K S P E E D

[sonic meadow]

because you dont want much clockspeed?

😛

[jade scaffold]

Epycs have massive clock speeds

[mossy gull]

At 3GHz?

[jade scaffold]

advertised clock speeds mean nothing

my Xeon is clocked at 2.4 allegedly but if i max the fan speed out so it stays cool it'll happily do 3.8

[sonic meadow]

you mean where they are clocked worse than the equivalent TR or ryzen chips?

[jade scaffold]

their advertised speed is yea

[mossy gull]

The Epyc 9654 is clocked at max 3.7GHz.

[jade scaffold]

but they'll do the same if cooled well and allowed in bios to use thermal based boost

[mossy gull]

I don't want to hear your jet engine

I prefer to stay cool and quiet

[jade scaffold]

water cooling

and im not going to be running a 96 core EPYC

24 core max

[sonic meadow]

epyc has worse boost clocks than the roughly equivalent TR chips. its base clocks might be higher, but it wont go as high. and you can typically expect a modern cpu to stay near its boost with adequate cooling

[jade scaffold]

and thats only if some crazy ass company probably asrock makes a itx board

[mossy gull]

Why not get a Threadripper at that point?
Better overclocking and much faster cores.

[jade scaffold]

and you cant put TR chips on an ITX board

TR chips NEED a chip set

Server processors dont

[sonic meadow]

this is a perfectly cromulent reason. but claiming clockspeed as your reason doesnt make sense

[jade scaffold]

it does though

over my old Intel Chip EPYCs will boost way higher with adequate cooling

[sonic meadow]

well duh

[mossy gull]

If clockspeeds mattered that much, I am surprised my 3.4GHz is much faster than an older 4GHz😃

[sonic meadow]

of course a modern chip boosts higher than an older one 🤦

[jade scaffold]

yea which is the reason i'd want one

[sonic meadow]

not that you can really compare clocks between the two vendors anyway, let alone between generations like that

its such a non-comparison that its got barely any meaning to it

[jade scaffold]

3.4 from AMD is fatrer than 4 from Intel

[jade scaffold]

in refence to this

[mossy gull]

I was talking about an old AMD FX vs my underclocked Ryzen 7 😃

[sonic meadow]

have we brought up intel? no, the comparisons were to contemporary zen chips (ryzen and threadripper), which are... AMD

[jade scaffold]

same process

3.4 on ryzen is way faster than 4 or i think even 5 on FX chips

[mossy gull]

Yes I underclocked my CPU, get on with it.

[jade scaffold]

if you need the cooling why not

[sonic meadow]

clock speed comparisons can basically only be made between chips of the same family. and not even between generations

[jade scaffold]

or to save power as i think you have mentioned

[jade scaffold]

no shit sherlock

[mossy gull]

More like it's faster when clocked lower😃
Because now it stays below Turbo which in turn uses less power.

[jade scaffold]

yea i think you mentioned that energy prices where you live are kinda crazy

[sonic meadow]

then why did you make the damn comparison?

[mossy gull]

€1.11 per KW currently 😃

[jade scaffold]

because its true

[sonic meadow]

but meaningless

[mossy gull]

So running my PC for a day is already like €4.44.

Actually that's half a day😃

[jade scaffold]

it'll clock higher and per clock will have better performance that might have some meaning if you want ill faze it as just it performs better

[jade scaffold]

thats terrifying

[jade scaffold]

i think we are at £0.34 per KWh

[mossy gull]

Imagine me wanting to run a server with not 1, but 2 GPUs

[jade scaffold]

yea that'd likely make your bills a lil high

[mossy gull]

We surpass the Solomon islands by a whopping 0.50 per KW, and Solomon islands use to be #1😃

[jade scaffold]

where are you from?

[mossy gull]

Netherlands 😃

[jade scaffold]

ahhh

[mossy gull]

They use the war with Russia as an excuse to hike the prices past 600% so they can make 400% more profit 😃

[jade scaffold]

yea

its really dumb that they are allowed to do that

"oh gas prices have gone up because of the war, oh an btw this has been our most profitable year ever"

[mossy gull]

More like the government doesn't do shit against it and only make it worse

But this is gonna violate the rules if we keep going on

[mossy gull]

Basically this

[jade scaffold]

yea the same thing happened in england

you know next gen threadripper do we know if its using a new socket or not

[mossy gull]

I believe it will

[jade scaffold]

AMD doing an intel with threadripper still then

lovely

its weird because EYPC stayed on the same socket for like 4 or 5 generations but they apparently couldnt do the same for threadripper which is deffos bull shit

[mossy gull]

I think the next Threadripper will be a tad bigger, just like the Epyc 9000 series

[jade scaffold]

yea

it'd be fine imo if there wasnt a socket change between 2000 and 3000 threadripper

[mossy gull]

More cores aka more CPUs on 1 die

[sonic meadow]

they also went from 4 to 8 memory channels for TR

[jade scaffold]

yea

[sonic meadow]

cant stay on the same socket for that

[jade scaffold]

but i honestly believe that was intentional just so more mobos can be sold for them

obviously EPYC didnt really have a channel change as far as i know untill the new socket but they lierally could have just used the same socket for threadripper

like intel did for their Xeons and Xeon Ws

[sonic meadow]

epyc went up from 8 channel to 12

and ddr4 to ddr5

[jade scaffold]

yes i know

[mossy gull]

Well, gen 1 & 2 TR has like half the amount of "CPUs", remember they went from 32 cores to 64 cores.

[jade scaffold]

yea they did

But EPYC made that same jump

without a socket change

[mossy gull]

Probably because they had the space

[sonic meadow]

it had a socket change

[jade scaffold]

so theres 2 versions of SP3?

[sonic meadow]

sp3 to sp5

[jade scaffold]

not talking abou the Genoa CPUs here

We are talking about the CPUs preceeding Genoa

which used SP3 for 4 or 5 generations

[sonic meadow]

oh. those are still 8 channel ddr4

[jade scaffold]

yea

thats what i mean though EPYC stayed on the same socket till their massive architectural change for Genoa

[sonic meadow]

the distinction for TR was TR vs TR pro, but it looks like they silently-ish dropped the non-pro line. at least for 5th gen

[jade scaffold]

Theradripper could have likely done the same infact they should have just used the SP3 Socket for threadripper but they didn't because more money i guess?

[mossy gull]

That would've "confused" the consumer/pro-sumer

[sonic meadow]

or they realised they couldnt get it to do what they wanted by staying on the same socket... not everything is a money game

[jade scaffold]

Intel atleast for workstation had the decency here to use the same socket and actually allow quite often for streight up server CPUs to be mounted in the Workstation Mobos and the other way round

[sonic meadow]

or entirely at least

[mossy gull]

But their server CPUs are also a lot slower

[jade scaffold]

there isnt a technical issue i can think of for threadripper needing its own socket over just using the pre exsisting SP3

[sonic meadow]

chipset

and you know, having less memory channels than epyc

and less pcie lanes

[jade scaffold]

you can use what ever chipset you like as long as its compatible with the CPU and the CPU has lanes dedicated to a chipset

[sonic meadow]

and I think they used different kinds of ram too. buffered vs unbuffered. which are electrically incompatible

[mossy gull]

Sharing PCIe lanes can slow down devices that need it, that's why Epyc has so many of them.

[jade scaffold]

Intels workstation and server CPUs had the same distinction
infact even within their server CPUs there are CPUs with less memory channels

[mossy gull]

I personally need a motherboard with 2 PCIe x16 with dedicated 16 lanes per slot.

Preferably not through a chipset

[jade scaffold]

any workstation class CPU will support such mobos

you also dont need X16 for GPUs as weak as vegas an x8 should be fine or if you really think you need the bandwidth PCIE Gen4 X8 will be fine

[mossy gull]

I seen AM5 motherboards that do as well, as long I get the 7950X

[mossy gull]

Who says I am gonna use Vegas?

[jade scaffold]

this is true however if you are buying a fucking threadripper you don't mind spending a tiny bit extra on RAM

[mossy gull]

I am thinking between 2 7900XTX, 2 4090Ti or a combination

[sonic meadow]

buffered is not a tiny bit extra, more like a whole lot extra

[jade scaffold]

not on DDR4 and not compared to the price of a threadripper

[sonic meadow]

even on ddr4. and yes I know you can get surplus server ram cheap on ebay

[jade scaffold]

you can get buffered ECC from micron for like £75 for a 1x32gb stick

the issue comes when you get to the insane buffered sticks that are like 512gb but i dont think threadripper would support thoes anyway

[sonic meadow]

if it supported buffered memory like epyc then it would. but since it doesnt supported fully buffered then it cant

and fully buffered is an either/or thing

[jade scaffold]

what im saying is when they made threadripper they could have just gone with the whole bootleg high clocked epyc thing in the first place rather than the bootleg high core count low clocked ryzen that they initially went with before going wow PCIE Lanes are awesome then just making them bootleg Eypcs

[sonic meadow]

they were going for the workstation not home/non-home server market with them. and for that how they spec'd them was fine

especially when compared to intels rather shit offerings

[jade scaffold]

they were actually going for lets try to undercut intels ultra high end work station chips by a grand

and it some what worked

first 2 gens of Threadrippers were ass though

latency issues and all

3rd gen which is when they changed the socket was awesome though

[sonic meadow]

heck, first two gens of zen, not just TR

zen and zen+ had the ass memory controller

[jade scaffold]

the issues in latency didnt really show them selfs on the consumer Chips though

and yea the memory controler was ass

Zen+ whole thing was having a better memory controler and a slight node shrink

[mossy gull]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-24518828

[jade scaffold]

Zen2 though was just flat out amazing it was the first time in years AMD had made a better product than intel

and it started the really good competition we have today

and its the reason CPU prices haven't inflated the same way as GPU prices have

Unfortunatly for the GPU industry intel are only just getting started on making propper GPUs and AMD are still ASS at software development allowing NVidia to price a GPU at £1600 and still have it be the best value GPU in their lineup

Intel and AMD Please get just as good at making GPUs as NVidia so we have have pascal Prices again for GPUs

[mossy gull]

I am just going 7950X3D for my server

I don't need that much

[jade scaffold]

it'll be good performing

[mossy gull]

I hope, it'll have 2 GPUs both for different purposes

[jade scaffold]

also very efficient

make sure to run the 7950X3D in Eco Mode

you loose pretty minimal performance from all the testing ive seen and they'll only pull like 65W super super efficient

[mossy gull]

That was my plan, I am gonna limit power usage

[jade scaffold]

yea AMDs current CPUs are mind blowingly efficient

and the 3D vCache just makes them more efficient as the cores wont pull more power but you still get the massive ammount of extra cache

[mossy gull]

I am not going Intel mainly because of the bullcrap they pulled in the past especially with their laptop CPUs

[jade scaffold]

yea

[mossy gull]

Like my Surface Book 2 I was able to change the CPUs TDP through XTU, and for a year now they cancelled support for it and put the CPU on max TDP, which overheats the machine.

[jade scaffold]

ooof

that sucks

[mossy gull]

And on another laptop they changed OpenGL 2.1 to 2.0.
And with both machines Intel said it was never possible.

It is bad and it annoys me to hell and back

[jade scaffold]

yea

AMD really need to make more laptop CPUs

[mossy gull]

That's why I am just running AMD

[jade scaffold]

a Laptop CPU with a ultra low TDP and 3DVCache would be insane for battery life and abosulty slap everything on the market

[mossy gull]

Funny enough the Ryzen 9 5900HX was already more efficient than my old Intel i7-8650U while having 4+ times the amount of processing power and while being more efficient.

[jade scaffold]

yea

imagine a 7000 based one with like a 15W TDP and 3D VCache

[mossy gull]

How much cores

[jade scaffold]

just like an 8 core chip

for a laptop that'd be crazy for gaming and such

but also laptop chips typically can go up to 45W on laptops with really chunky coolers

[mossy gull]

An 6800U with 3D cache?

[jade scaffold]

nah a generation up

6800U is Zen3+

[mossy gull]

Oh😅

[jade scaffold]

yea amds naming needs work

[mossy gull]

I am planning on buying the GPD Win 4 to play games on the go

[jade scaffold]

nice

[mossy gull]

Everyone around me has the SteamDeck, so I am going more powerful

[mossy gull]

So 7800U3D?

[jade scaffold]

in effect yea

that would be an amazing chip

[mossy gull]

It already is am amazing chip

[jade scaffold]

could make a real tiny PC if they use a HBM Type memory on it

which fun fact there are actual HBM Memory types that are for CPUs they just are super rare because DDR is usually good enough and compact enough

[mossy gull]

HBM aka hotboy

[jade scaffold]

HBM doesnt get that hot

just the GPUs it tends to be run on get REALLY HOT

[mossy gull]

I prefer HBM, I wish we could get HBM for RAM

[jade scaffold]

like the VEGAs or the super computer GPUs which have TDPs in excess of 500W

i like HBM

just because its compact

[mossy gull]

I like HBM GPUs because they can be very very tiny

[jade scaffold]

also super easy to cool

Its all VRM

also HBM effectively gives a Processor SOC Status

[mossy gull]

AMD should use HBM again and make a RTX x090 compatitor that's like 1/4th the size.

[jade scaffold]

the issue is amd arent capable of competing with the X090 GPUs

they can compete in gaming

but the X090s are very clearly shifted away from gaming and are more for AI Work and professional work

and AMD dont have the tech to compete in AI at the moment

[jade scaffold]

also this allegedly has 120GB of HBM3e which is just silly

[mossy gull]

I want 120GB HBM3🧐

[jade scaffold]

Installs windows on the HBM Installs Cyberpunk 2077 on the HBM

the GPU itself there is also like a 4090Ti

if not greater

oh also intels new laptop CPU is faster than a fucking 32 core 2nd gen threadripper thats hilarious

[mossy gull]

If I had a lot of RAM or HBM for that matter I would RAMdisk SC 😃

[jade scaffold]

hey if my dreams come true of getting a bootleg super computer built ill do that for you

[mossy gull]

"faster", Intel likes to brag in ideal conditions.

[jade scaffold]

no like its been tested in Blender

like standard blender renders tested by a 3rd Party

[mossy gull]

Ah, then it's just IPC improvements 😅

[jade scaffold]

yea IPC improvements mostly and clock speed improvements too

[mossy gull]

Still, I generally dislike big.LITTLE design on PCs, I think it's absolutely useless

[jade scaffold]

but the craziest part is its not a desktop CPU its a Laptop one

Little Big designs work fairly well and have other advantages if built right

and intels 13th gen sure as hell is built right

also the Hardrive industry is dying

thank fuck

[mossy gull]

1 problem, I dislike W11 because I can't have my Full-screen start menu

[jade scaffold]

I wouldn't notice that because i never use my start menu xD

[mossy gull]

I have everything ordered mostly nicely

And I hate the settings menu in W11

[jade scaffold]

yea

i do prefer how W11 looks but between their issues with AMD CPUs and some just lacking features im not gonna make the switch

they are making W12 anyway right which should hopefully fix lots of the issues we have seen with 11

also good support for ARM in windows would be nice

[mossy gull]

I hope they add full screen start menu and moveable taskbar.
I now have my taskbar on the left on both displays, and I have a stacked 21:9

Aka 21:18😃

[jade scaffold]

you can move the task bar in W11

[mossy gull]

Last time I checked that's impossible

[jade scaffold]

you can move the icons atleast can you not move the actual bar itself?

[mossy gull]

I meant the actual bar

I have my bar on the left so I have more vertical space and no bar in the middle of my desktop real-estate

But I eventually want to go 3 21:9 stacked and 2 9:16 on the side😃

[jade scaffold]

yea

[mossy gull]

If there's 1 thing I prefer in W10 is multiple display support in weird orientations

[jade scaffold]

All the headphones I've had since 2017 from right to left Sony MDR1000X, Sony WH1000XM3, Sony WF1000XM3, Sony WF1000XM4(current daily drivers for traveling), Audeze LCD-2Cs (main headphones for pc)

I think i only payed full price for the MDRs and the LCD2

i think the rest i got way discounted

i know i got the WFXM3s for £60

which really isnt a bad price for earbuds like thoes

[mossy gull]

I still need to grab a pair of Audeze headphones

[jade scaffold]

they are good

[mossy gull]

I know, but pricey

[jade scaffold]

yea that do be high end headphones

[mossy gull]

I want the Penrose or Mobius, I know they're gaming headsets, but I generally dislike open-back

[jade scaffold]

there are closed back versions of the LCD2C if you are going for the real spensive ones

[mossy gull]

Yeah I currently don't have 600+ for a pair of headphones

[jade scaffold]

i just wouldnt recomend the Penrose tho not sure about the mobius

if you are getting high end planar magnetic you really shouldn't be doing wireless

[mossy gull]

I usually use wireless headphones wired because they actually have pretty good amp build in that the battery can power

[jade scaffold]

the amp in them isnt really the issue

the issue is wireless audio is allways sent compressed usually with a lossy compression algorithm

so you loose some quality which might not be an issue for standard drivers but thats more of an issue for planar magnetics

looking at the Mobius though for wired mode they are aparently really good Though they HAVE to be chaged at all times to be used they cannot be used without battery charge atall and they only last for 10hrs at a time which might not be an issue if you are only really at home and awake for 8 hours of the day but otherwise could prove to be rather irritating

it does support LDAC though which is nice to see

LDAC makes bluetooth audio some what good though some phones dont support it such as Iphones where none of them support it. also Windows doesnt support LDAC without a weird 3rd party driver which kinda kills using it wirelessly on PC for me

But for use on PC Wired they'd be great and on your phone too wirelessly they'd also sound really quite good

[mossy gull]

Currently I use my Surface Headphones by wire while also turning it on.
Without turning it on the sound sounds flat without an amp, but I turn on the headphones and the sound is good.
So I use wireless headphones wired, I don't use the wireless feature unless I use it on-the-go😅

[mossy gull]

I don't game longer than 4 hours actually 😅
And I don't have my headphones on for longer than 2 hours, so I kinda last ages on battery 😅

[west mirage]

Hey

So i got bsod again on boot

Everytime its critical process died

I can’t get into safe mode and system restore is not working

Ive run chkdsk and sfc /scannow

Both did nothing

What else can i do besides reset

Cause ive reset multiple times now to no avail

And i mean hard wipe just windows reinstall

Using a usb

Wont let me reset either

[mossy gull]

@west mirage how old is your boot drive?
And what model is it?

[west mirage]

@mossy gull sabrent rock 2tb NVME SSD

1 and a half years old

[mossy gull]

Do you constantly write to it?

[west mirage]

Not enough to cause this

This has been happening since I built this computer

[mossy gull]

@west mirage with the amount of problems I think you have so called Bad Sectors

[west mirage]

How do i know

Is there a command i can run

@mossy gull

Command prompts the only thing which is working

[mossy gull]

Do you have W10 or W11?

[west mirage]

@mossy gull windows 11

[mossy gull]

Hm, I have 0 experience with W11 but you can try chkdsk command I think it's called😅

[west mirage]

Already tried

[mossy gull]

I only know EaseUs having tools to chech the integrity of the drive, but I have no idea if they're free.

[west mirage]

It’d be pointless i can’t boot windows

Not even into safe mode

[west mirage]

Alright so conclusion is that i have bed sectors on my nvme drive

Do sabrent rockets come with a warranty

The only other hardware issue it could possibly be is the ram

But that is highly not likely

[mossy gull]

Then I would use the warranty and get a new 1, and tell them that you think it has bad sectors because you keep reinstalling Windows.

[signal star]

Sapphire XTX looks to be the one to get

[amber fable]

Very odd issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/10pgs70/discord_drops_memory_clock_by_200_mhz_on_nvidia/

Basically, it seems Discord forces a specific CUDA related setting that drops graphics card performance.

Not that the clock that is being throttled is the memory clock, so it isn't a large performance loss.

TBH, it probably is largely unnoticeable.

[mossy gull]

Disable hardware acceleration

And this is why I prefer hybrid GPU support on AMD😅

[amber fable]

Doesn't help.

You have to use an Nvidia tool to override the setting it changes.

[mossy gull]

Wait, that's just odd🧐

Although I am not surprised Discord once again has some problems

[amber fable]

At least it is memory clocks and not core clocks. Otherwise it would be a serious issue rather than a minor annoyance.

[jade scaffold]

Just oc your memory 200mhz

200 is like nothing for memory

[jade scaffold]

Oh and also discord is forcing on the hardware acceleration for some reason

[mossy gull]

Sounds like the same issue that Epic Launcher has

[jade scaffold]

yea like the option is still there but they have managed to break it

[west mirage]

Im baffled

HelpDesk Sabrent told me to run 3 tests, ChkDsk

Crystal Disk Info

and Sabrent Rocket Control pannel

Nothing out of the ordinary, 100% health

[mossy gull]

100% after 1 year?
That's abnormally good, like you never used it

[west mirage]

@mossy gull to be fair all i use this pc for is gaming

And I also just wiped the pc and reinstalled windows

[mossy gull]

Still, 100% health is abnormally good

[west mirage]

What could that mean?

[mossy gull]

I still would check for bad sectors

[west mirage]

How do I go about that

I told the help desk guy in my warranty request that the reason is bad sectors

[mossy gull]

I personally use professional programs to check for a drive's health

I don't know how to do it in W11

[cinder lagoon]

I would not recommend it actually but Aomei Partition assistant can check for bad sectors.
What exactly are the symptoms? Have been busy last few weeks

[hasty rose]

Is there a website where someone can Visualize their keybinds/shortcuts on a keyboard?

[cinder lagoon]

try Microsoft Powertoys' Shortcut helper ;P
If you want like an overview of custom keybinds tho no idea but I figure there exists something somewhere...

[sonic meadow]

I think I found out why my server has been unstable lately...

[ionic tusk]

This score doesn't seem right to me

[sonic meadow]

Just a tad. Is the vram clock right? It looks low to me, but I don't know what it should be at for a 4090

[ionic tusk]

It's a 4090 tuf oc

i feel like its lower score then when i first got it

[mossy gull]

Does the card get enough power?

Like recommended I think is at least a 900w PSU

[ionic tusk]

i have 1000w lol

i feel like when it came out i had 198ish k on port royal or i could be mis remembering

[mossy gull]

And all cables are connected?

[ionic tusk]

They are

it's a pcie 5.0 powersupply

[mossy gull]

Hm, do you have Armoury Crate installed as well?

[ionic tusk]

My only thought is it's a gigabyte one cause when i bought it was the only native atx 3.0 psu i could find in australlia

yeah

[mossy gull]

I would've gone with a Corsair PSU and just use the adapter cable. 😅

Does Armoury Crate say anything odd about the GPU?

[ionic tusk]

armory crates for cpu lol i haven't seen the gpu on it

[mossy gull]

Armoury Crate is for everything Asus related, it's weird your GPU isn't in the list

[ionic tusk]

yeah it weird

I'll do an uninstall and reinstall

I haven't had it record the gpu at all

[mossy gull]

On my little brother's PC even the Inno3D GPU is detected by Armoury Crate

[ionic tusk]

Maybe it's missing something

it was installed with the motherboard z690 maximus hero

[mossy gull]

I sadly have no experience with Intel boards

[ionic tusk]

I’m remembering the benchmarks being higher and some freezing here and there so I’mma go about RMA a 4090 TUF gaming OC

I-I I bought it on release lol

[west mirage]

A win is a win

sabrents replacing my SSD

[amber fable]

Fun trick of the day: If anyone wants your SSH key and you are too lazy to look it up and send it to them, just tell them to go to: https://github.com/<user name>.keys

And boom. There it is, your SSH public key assuming you have it on github.

[surreal moss]

I might have to make something internal that does that

[amber fable]

You can get them in JSON from https://api.github.com/users/<user name>/keys

But the first way is much simpler for shell scripts.

And, better yet, I can use /users/<user name>/gpg_keys to get my GPG public key as well.

Or, in short form https://github.com/<user>.gpg

(which I discovered experimentally on my first random "hmm I wonder" try.)

[sonic meadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/10wujou/where_does_my_monitor_go/

[cinder lagoon]

Hey people, I'm looking for a relay that closes multiple contacts with a single action.
I'm considering building a KVM for multiple (easily distinguishable) protocols sharing the same media (twisted pair cable)
I'm totally missing the terminology but I'd consider this a TP-KVM, bridging the input to one of 3 outputs automatically, depending on the Voltage on the cable.

[sonic meadow]

A mux hooked up to an analogue comparator?

[frozen igloo]

If I have 2 evga p2 1200w their cable’s would be identical pin outs right?

[cinder lagoon]

Same model-number same pinout. Watch out for revisions tho, they might be slightly different but in theory that should only affect the internals. Good way to check beforehand is using Cablemods kit and see if the model has submodels in their configurator.

[cinder lagoon]

I'll probably use a micro controller for status LEDs anyways so I wanted to use it also to sense the voltages and control, which contacts should be bridged

[mossy gull]

For anyone owning an 980 Pro and 990 Pro
https://youtube.com/shorts/cy_BgJM7R58?feature=share

[cerulean helm]

Firmware has been updated for the 980s that according to Samsung fixes the issue. Was already patched before the news broke.

Which is good since I have 2 980s including the 2tb version that was effected.

[inland dove]

Well that's good.

[mossy gull]

I still would check it though, you never know how long your drive's been in storage.

[cerulean helm]

Samsung Magician says both 980s are still good. Doesn't give a percentage of its health though.

[inland dove]

How important is it to update my SSD? It's a crucial drive and I used Acronis to clone my last drive to it but afterwards uninstalled the program.

Is it something I should be concerned about?

[mossy gull]

This only counts for the 980 Pro and 990 Pro, Crucial uses different board controllers and firmware.

[inland dove]

I'm aware.

[mossy gull]

That says nothing really, I few times drives that shown they were "good" and were gone in less than a month.

[inland dove]

I mentioned it because it was related.

[mossy gull]

Cloning has nothing to do with its firmware though

[cerulean helm]

Fair enough. Just installed Open Hardware Monitor and it doesn't even show storage other than "generic hard drive". Only drive it recognizes is my HDD 4tb drive. None of my 3 nvme drives.

[mossy gull]

I would keep it on the manufacturer's software for your drives as not every manufacturer is gonna share their firmware core.

[mossy gull]

Dead sectors actually can have multiple causes, from just bad drives and I am not gonna call names Samsung QVO to overheating.
Rarely, very very rarely the cause is the SSD's firmware.

[cerulean helm]

Aha, CrystalDiskInfo worked. And all drives at 100%.

[inland dove]

So I don't need to be concerned about firmware updates?

[mossy gull]

100% aka the drive's not gonna tell how healthy it is, if you installed Windows on it and a bunch of otjer shite already the SSD never can be 100%.

[mossy gull]

Only if the manufacturer says its important

[cerulean helm]

So what then? If Samsung Magician can't be trusted, Crystal Disk info can't be trusted, or SMART, then what exactly is the point of having all those applications?

[mossy gull]

Only true way to check the health for your drive is to do a check for bad sectors, but don't do that too often😃

[cerulean helm]

I have the latest firmware, all drives pass SMART, Magician and Crystal Disk all say the drives are fine. Thats really all anyone can do.
Ive had a SSD fail, was an 850 EVO. Died in less than 3 months. Entire partition straight up disappeared. Went from a 1tb drive to like 200mb.

Which is why I now have 3 backups, lol.

[mossy gull]

I only had 2 QVO fail in less than a half year.
But all my other drives are still fine.
I do have bunch of backups on other SSDs though

[cinder lagoon]

Thanks - already checked on it but didn't think of posting here ^^'

[cinder lagoon]

WINDOOOOOWWWWSS

[mossy gull]

To me anything that can help someone I will post😅

[cerulean helm]

Well, ordered the last of my storage for the pc. 3 more 2tb drives just in case the 980 pros crap out. That will be 10tb of nvme plus a 4tb HDD, and a 8tb NAS. Will be using Asus m.2 expansion card. With my mb I can fit 2 drives, snd then use the last m.2 slot on the mb.

[cerulean helm]

So anyone know why I can't upgrade to Windows 11, I want to use the new scheduler since I have a 13700k. I meet all the requirements and windows says I meet all requirements I just don't get the option to upgrade.

[sacred seal]

You can force it with this https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/software-download/windows11

[cerulean helm]

Thanks you

Welp, thats not a good sign. Errored out 2 times trying to install.

[cerulean helm]

Update successful. But my eyes, wtf is that folder icon, and the start menu.

[mossy gull]

Either to a bug in W10, or you disabled or haven't turned on TPM 2.0 in your motherboard.

[cinder lagoon]

Hmm trying to disable C states in my x470 strix bios seems difficult. My hardware issues probably stem from that...

[cinder lagoon]

I seem to have found the correct option... no crash for 20 minutes during idel 🤔

[cerulean helm]

So Ive noticed my cpu core temps are lower now that I upgraded to Win 11, I wonder if thats the better scheduler. Win 10 it used to sit the cpu at max frequency with its OC. Now at idle it drops the closk way down.

[cinder lagoon]

Windows has probably changed away from the High performance power profile.
Remember to install all chipset drivers and such from your MoBo manufactureres website!

[cerulean helm]

sob, Windows did change the power profile. Thanks windows.

[cinder lagoon]

Which is, why a full install is vastly better.
You remember to set up everything and don't think "ahh it probably swapped it over". It did not xD

[cerulean helm]

The chipset drivers are also the same between 10 and 11 for my board.

[cinder lagoon]

Yes but it probably should be reinstalled.

[cerulean helm]

Why is that?

[sacred seal]

The installer may be the same, but the actual drivers may not be

[cinder lagoon]

Also because windows might have not copied it over correctly.

[cerulean helm]

Looks like the only driver thats different is the LAN driver, so thats now installed.

[cinder lagoon]

Install all other drivers over the old ones

Otherwise you won't get the new scheduler. Thats what the chipset driver does

Power plans (included in the chipset driver) do far more than just say what clockspeed to run at and when to turn off the display.

[ionic tusk]

https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/377/1640229565/F5-5600J3636C16GX2-RS5K-F5-5600J3636C16GA2-RS5K-Specification anyone know what memory die this ram uses?

[mossy gull]

Why do you want to know what die is has?

[ionic tusk]

Curious the current kit of Kingston 5200 beast xmp doesn’t work on my asus board

Plus want to know if I can push it more

If Hynix

[mossy gull]

AMD has a hard time overclocking RAM because the Infinity Fabric.
Intel well, it really varies per CPU and board

[frozen igloo]

Would the p2 1200w fit in a lancool 216 i’m worried I wouldn’t have enough room to plug in cables

[mossy gull]

Check the size of the PSU, and the size of the PSU compartment, and give it some space for cablesµ

[frozen igloo]

220mm psu area on case 200mm psu

[mossy gull]

Then I would get a shorter PSU

2 cm is basically the length of a plug

[frozen igloo]

The psu would be free, I might just try to find a case with more clearance

[cerulean helm]

Bleh, I don't think I will ever not be a bit jittery when updating a bios. Everything went smooth, and was able to redo all my settings easily. Gotta say I like the new "AI" Overclock feature on the Asus boards.

[mossy gull]

I never overclock😃

[cold girder]

Does anyone know if i can use a second modem in my house instead of running an ethernet across the house?

[mossy gull]

You mean a router?

[cold girder]

yes.... i have one next to my pc and have to run an cable to the other side of the house for my housemate. want to remove the need for the cable (wifi is too slow) can you run a second "router" in the same house on the same network plan

[hasty rose]

If I have two PCs connected over a network and I want to open an app from the other PC, where does the app I open read or write to?

[surreal moss]

Depends on how they’re connected

If you’re using an remote desktop application then it’s running on the remote desktop. If it’s like a network drive share then the local computer is running the application but it might be writing back to the remote drive

I’m assuming windows btw

[mossy gull]

You can set-up a bridge, but keep in mind WiFi has lag

[hasty rose]

Yeah windows

So your telling me that I can still use this old PC i have lying around with like 2 TB of storage and just download things on it but run it on my main rig and it'll write everything where its supposed to be written?

[cinder lagoon]

The cable going into your house is a WAN cable - there might be multiple terminations in your house at seperate locations but as far as I'm concerned your ISP won't allow two modems dialing in with the same account, even if they're on the same port (of the switch under the road)
What you CAN do, however is Ethernet over the power grid or Sattelite cable (which very likely has multiple terminations over your place)
Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0vy1VzFbf8

[cinder lagoon]

Everything of the above about this topic are kind of half-truths and miscommunications:
assuming your old PC is able to run Windows (10 at best) you can set up a smb network share. (google)
However the speeds are horrible and it is not meant for executable files, tho it will work. The latencies are just too big for any multi-file apps like games.
Regarding "where the files will go" is essentially on a per-application basis. Save games, configs and such would normally be created on your main PC, as it is running the app.

Despite that, the PC would need to be running all the time which is frankly wayy too much power for a 2TB "NAS".

My advise is that you open that old PC, remove the drive and its cables and plonk them into your main rig. There you could even use windows' dynamic disks which lets you essentiall combine multiple drives into one storage pool. This will increase the chance of potential data loss with each disk, the "volume" spans.

[mossy gull]

https://youtu.be/0ZbaQ9XAiWM

[surreal moss]

Could you? Yes. Should you? I wouldn’t. I’d figure out a time for it and set it up as a server for that. Whether it’s a backup, media, or whatever.

[balmy flicker]

any one know of a good tutorial or the VKB stick config software

[amber fable]

I think they have a manual on their site.

[neat quartz]

I have a question about setting up a VR headset in OBS for streaming. My buddy has a Reverb G2 headset and I'm trying to help him figure out how to stream MSFS but I don't know how to set it up. Any advise would be helpful!

[sacred seal]

Most likely you will want to use steam VR to view the footage on the monitor and capture that

You can use the mixed reality portal, but steam vr seems to be more stable

[sonic meadow]

yeah. thats what I would suggest too. I know some games put extra information there (like huds, etc) for outside viewers

[neat quartz]

For some reason when we tried launching steam VR yesterday it was completely glitching out.

[sonic meadow]

if all else fails, game capture in OBS might work.

[neat quartz]

Yeah he can do game capture but our goal is to get it so that it shows a full screen from 1 eye not both.

I don't think game capture can do that.

[sonic meadow]

center one eye on the obs window, then cover over the rest with some kind of overlay?

or run a crop filter

[neat quartz]

We shall see if that will work or maybe steam VR was just not having it that day. Thanks for the advise guys!

[sonic meadow]

best of luck, hopefully it goes well for you and your friend

[cinder lagoon]

Steam can do semi-one eye. displays both in a 16:9 aspect ratio but prefers one of your choice.

I would try looking into getting that headset to work better with steamVR, it's really the best solution

.

Thats a first: Using Chrome to download Edge 😝
Got accepted into bing AI test program after like 1 day. pretty great so far but didn't have that many non-search requests yet

[ionic tusk]

I hate xmp

Trying to get my new ram to work on my z690 asus maximus hero stuck lol

[mossy gull]

@ionic tusk you know your CPU also has a max supported RAM speed.

Check the highest your CPU and motherboard support, XMP usually doesn't go higher than that.
Manual overclocking does go higher though.

[ionic tusk]

Ik I had xmp working when I first got it but never worked after a few months

[ionic tusk]

Pretty sure the maximus hero would go up to 6400 was only doing 5600 kit of ram

[mossy gull]

But what does your CPU reach

Your CPU has a memory controller that only can go so high.

[mossy gull]

XMP doesn't overclock past the lowest possible component overclock

XMP is overclocking to a safe limit

It doesn't matter if your RAM sticks and motherboard can reach 10000 MT/s, if your CPU only reaches 5000 MT/s that's what you get with XMP.

[hasty rose]

Can an "OMEN by HP Desktop PC - 870-244" Be upgraded with 2 8GB Ram sticks.
And where to you check the max amount of physical ram a PC can use?

[cinder lagoon]

Maximum capacity is dictated by Motherboard. Given that this is a prebuilt system with an OEM crappy ass motherboard, there aint no documentation for it.

If it is DDR4 it is probably able to take those two sticks but don't expect to run at their reated speed.

Also whatever you're doing in the top right: Nothing personal but I think you are NOT knowledgeable enough for dealing with any kind of weird RAM adapter

[hasty rose]

Ah- hmm...

[hasty rose]

It should be an overall improvement though... right?

[cinder lagoon]

It will most likely be able to use the extra capacity

If you'd be buying this OMEN new, DONT

[hasty rose]

I've had that omen for about 2 and a half years now

[cinder lagoon]

Ahh aight. Then you can certainly try. Can't break it if you don't mechanically break anything

[hasty rose]

Me, break things? Never a possibility.

[cinder lagoon]

Btw sorry for being a lil cranky. GTA online is still a total shit show as I've just been proven for the past hour

[hasty rose]

Lol

[hasty rose]

https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/omen-by-hp-870-200/13687063/model/15741069/document/c05369438
This seems to be documentation on the motherboard.
I think 32GB is the max?

Hopefully I can finally run Arma at 45 stable frames

[cinder lagoon]

Huh color me impressed! No other OEM (i know of) provides such documentation for any kind of proprietary hardware! Also think this might be kinda new.

[cinder lagoon]

You could just "add" the RAM in this case, it will run at DDR4 base speed anyways. This way you'd have even more than 16G capacity.

[cinder lagoon]

No. It's arma and highly dependant on the processor. If you didn't run into actual RAM limits (with only 8GB I deem that very possible though) it won't help.

[hasty rose]

I... see. Eh.. having more ram will be better anyway.

Might even stop my disk from 100% every time I launch things

[mossy gull]

Keep in mind the max RAM they put on the specsheet is max tested RAM, you can always go to the max supported by your CPU, Asus once told me this.

I have an G15 Advantage Edition from Asus, on the specsheet it says max 32GB but mine runs 64GB RAM.

[cinder lagoon]

This is entirely dependant on the disk used and how it's connected.

[hasty rose]

Everything should be stock.

[cinder lagoon]

Ohhh damn you should better upgrade the hard drive

[hasty rose]

Though I do think I've been underutilizing and mismanaging my pc

[cinder lagoon]

That PC is in need of an SSD. Everything else will feel way snappier with a proper (modern) hard drive

You have that hard drive hard drive. the spinning kind.

Good SSDs of the same capacity go for around $80 these days

[hasty rose]

Yeah going to get an ssd soon, any recommendations?

[cinder lagoon]

And you could still use the old one

[hasty rose]

I could use to Old hdd to just run the systems and do storage and move all my games and other stuff to the ssd. Yeah?

[mossy gull]

Crucial makes good SATA SSDs, Samsung makes good NVMe SSDs

[cinder lagoon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Zxw7YJ/samsung-970-evo-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v7s1t0bam
this is a really good one.

[mossy gull]

I think if you go NVMe you can get a 970 Evo Plus 2TB for less than 200.-

[cinder lagoon]

Other way around

[cinder lagoon]

Overkill

I checked, the MoBo has M.2 M key

[mossy gull]

You can never have too much storage, you can have not enough😃

[cinder lagoon]

You can pay way more for more than what you actually need tho

[mossy gull]

I can fill up 8TB of SSDs in no-time😃

[hasty rose]

Alright gonna figure out how to make the new ssd a C drive and make an old C drive a D drive

[cinder lagoon]

Nah we here for that. But we worry bout that when the hardware is here

Been there, done that

[mossy gull]

Best is to fully reinstall Windows, you can clone with Samsung Magician if you are getting a Samsung Evo Plus though

For a full reinstall of Windows you need a USB thumb drive of at least 8GB and download the official Windows download from:
Windows 10:
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10
Windows 11:
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11/
Use the 2nd download link, not the ISO.
The 2nd download link downloads a help program thats very easy to use.

The app is called MediaCreationTool

[cinder lagoon]

And the thumb drive needs to be empty

[mossy gull]

Dont download it from a 3rd party website

[cinder lagoon]

Iiiiiiii just rage broke my headphones -.-

[mossy gull]

How

[cinder lagoon]

Throw it on their stand and miss

Left channel aint working

Ehh those 20€ lasted long enough

[mossy gull]

Thats why you should never throw it
tosses my Surface Headphones across the room because too lazy to carefully put it on my bed

Don't worry, I never toss my headphones across the room

[cinder lagoon]

They were uncomfy anyways...

trying to make me feel less <emotion> about breaking them over such a useless moment

[hasty rose]

Huh, that escalated quickly

I know the pain of breaking headphones

[cinder lagoon]

Wtf I just thought my 300€ Sennheisers stopped working too because netflix stopped playing the speech track and the background music faded 😳

[mossy gull]

I don't really, I always have at least 2, sometimes 4.

I don't like uneven numbers, so I also never buy 1 SSD, always 2.

[hasty rose]

Just got back home... Err I think my motherboard only had 1 m.2 ssd slot

[sacred seal]

So here is a very uniquee bug. Finishing the first dungeon in Fenix rising causes my PC to crash (shutdown) and instantly restart

Already done standard troubleshooting steps, any ideas?

[mossy gull]

Have you checked your GPU and its drivers?

[sacred seal]

Yep, drivers are up to date

[mossy gull]

Also your temps?

[sacred seal]

Haven't monitored them, but as the crash is consistantly in the exact same spot I doubt that is the issue

[mossy gull]

Have you checked the windows logs?

[sacred seal]

no, probably should

[cinder lagoon]

Your Mobo has two M.2 slots according to the page. The M key one is used for SSDs. The other one for the wifi that is already installed.
As long as your PC only shows one hard drive you're good to go!

[cinder lagoon]

We know of this entry, the ones before it knows it shut down uncleanly are way more interesting xD
but if it's happening during a specific part of a game it's most likely a driver issue and a good one at that.
Try to report to the graphics vendor or test with other graphics settings and driver settings.

[sacred seal]

Yea, tested it with a fair few graphic settings

None of the prior notes are particularly interesting, and seem to be different depending on which crash it was

[mossy gull]

Have you tried limiting your FPS to 60 or 30?

Some games tend to crash if the FPS is too high

[sacred seal]

Yep, have FPS limit on

[mossy gull]

Hm, odd

[sacred seal]

Also listended to the PSU to see if it was a fuse, but did not hear anything

[mossy gull]

Anything like DLSS, FSR, or any dynamic scaling off?

[sacred seal]

I think dynamic scaling is on, will try disabling that

Also running some scans to make sure my OS is intact

[mossy gull]

I also would verify the game files

[sacred seal]

Did that as part of my standard troubleshooting

[cinder lagoon]

Buying advice:

Should I upgrade from a
3700X
Strix x470-f
2x8G + 2x8G (different kits)
RX 6800

To a 5800X for 220€?
Hmm weird, vendor page says only compatible with 500 series Mobo...

[sacred seal]

It should work with a x470, but its a one way upgrade

[mossy gull]

Hm, this is even for me uncommitted ground.
I had games crash 1 of my GPUs as I always run hybrid GPU configs, but not to the point my system resets.

[sacred seal]

I only found one other user reporting the issue, and they just went and got a refund

[mossy gull]

If the system reboots, is it a "normal" reboot or a full crash with a green screen?

[sacred seal]

PC just dies then starts like normal

[mossy gull]

Almost like a hardware failure?
Have you tried with most USB devices disconnected?

I personally would also try to reset the BIOS be reseating the CMOS

[cinder lagoon]

More concerned about the system being balanced then (disregarding the RAM) and the price

[sacred seal]

I run my system fairly lean. Only usb that is plugged in other then keybaord and mouse is a bluetooth adapter

[cinder lagoon]

Nah nah it pretty sure is a driver issue

[sacred seal]

Trouble shooting this is a pain in the rear as the crash is at the end of the dungeon, but the save is at the start

[cinder lagoon]

If it's at the same place everytime it's happening because the hardware cannot handle a specific instruction

[sacred seal]

Well the wierd thing is that the game is not crashing, the PC is restarting

[mossy gull]

Try removing it😅

[cinder lagoon]

I know. It makes me think the VBios might be at fault but until then, try to get help from the graphics vendor

[sacred seal]

Well the issue seemed to be dynamic resolution

Its working now

Or at least I got past that part

[cinder lagoon]

if it would be drawing too much power or whatever it would not consistently be at the same point.
Peripherals don't interact with desktop programs in any way. Everything goes through windows first except when games employ a direct mouse driver for lower latency or whatever.
If there would be a fault with the BIOS, it would most likely affect other games aswell.
Game however DO more or less directly interface with graphics accelerators and some of them employ weird techniques that might be unsupported.

So. A driver issue

[sacred seal]

Its crashing during a scene transition so it could be load, but I would expect OCP to make a audible noise in that case

I am running my system on the hotter side, 2700x and a 4900xt off of a 750 watt

Thanks for all the suggestions though

[cinder lagoon]

4900xt?

[sacred seal]

6900xt*

[cinder lagoon]

ahh makes more sense.
glad you could fix it!

[mossy gull]

Dynamic resolution sometimes fucks up things that the game needs

I for example found in Gotham Knights that FSR broke my game but XeSS didn't

[cinder lagoon]

wait you're running Intel?

[mossy gull]

Nope, XeSS works on all GPUs just like FSR

But unlike FSR, XeSS takes kinda the DLSS 1 approach where a lot of stuff was "pre-learned" in the factory

[cinder lagoon]

ouh damn hadn't encountered it yet

[mossy gull]

XeSS is pretty nice in some games, especially if you play on a handheld😃

[jade scaffold]

Server hardware is unfailingly reliable 60 days since the thing was last restarted i kinda wonder how long i can go without restarting it or it crashing

[sonic meadow]

Depends on how up to date you want windows kept

[jade scaffold]

unless theres a big security fix thats urgent i dont much care about windows updates tbh

its a games server so like the QOL updates I do not care about

[mossy gull]

I am surprised you didn't go with a Linux distro

[sonic meadow]

games server
thats probably why

[surreal moss]

Sssshhhhh you’re taking sensibly

[sonic meadow]

yeah, you're right.

why arent you using redhat?

[surreal moss]

Woah. Hang on. That’s a bit too far the other direction. I get paid to run Redhat

[sonic meadow]

im so sorry. or am i? 🤔

[mossy gull]

I personally still would use a Linux distro, if something goes wrong it's much easier to fix.

Not to mention it's lighter so more performance for the servers.

[sonic meadow]

thats assuming you can even get the game servers running on there in the first place. plus having to potentially deal with weird anticheat stuff, plus mods/plugins that dont always work in a compatibility layer

[mossy gull]

Majority of game servers are running on Linux actually.

[sonic meadow]

it al depends on the game

[sonic meadow]

only if you know how. just like with windows, or any other system.
If I ran linux on my server I would need to refer to the internet for basically everything outside of minor gui related changes

[mossy gull]

I had the fun to play with both in the past, and Linux is much easier to use.
If settings need to be changed on the fly, general stability, response of the server etc..
Linux also doesn't need to be rebooted for a dumb setting to work.

[surreal moss]

Experience and comfort is a major choice in choosing which os to run as a server in addition to compatibility. Linux would be my first choice to run a host. However if someone else is more comfortable with windows and their game server supports it then I'll coach them where I can.

[cinder lagoon]

still want some opinions on this before the sale is over #1076609976988082327

[mossy gull]

How much is the 5800X3D?

[cinder lagoon]

320€

Also the 5800 comes with Company of heroes 3 which I kinda wanted aswell

https://www.mindfactory.de/DAMN
This is the sale but it's in german

[mossy gull]

Personally the jump from 3700X to the 5800X is only 10%.
I personally don't know if that's worth it.

[cinder lagoon]

I think it's way better for gaming. Currently often maxing out singular cores

[mossy gull]

That really varies per game though, I have a 5800X and I still max out the 1st 2 cores thanks to poor optimisation.

If you really want it I would say go for it.
But personally I would save up for a much better chip.

[jade scaffold]

Some games can run their servers in linux yes without loosing substantial performance and i would use linux if i was only runing Say Minecraft or SCP:SL servers but Space engineers looses substantial performance when you have to go through all the compatibility layer bull shit you do to get it to work

[mossy gull]

I always lost a lot of performance with ARK, Minecraft & FiveM running off Windows

I always felt Windows security settings to be finicky.

[cinder lagoon]

Is it a good value tho?

I also see the 5600X is slightly faster in gaming but the 800X3D would be best. Ist it worth-a-100-bucks best tho?

Ahh F it its the top of the line for the Platform i'm on

It will become my server eventually

[mossy gull]

I would say a 10% advantage isn't worth it, I would go at least with the X3D, that 1 is still competitive with even Intel's 13th gen thanks to its 3D V-cache

[jade scaffold]

dont know about the others but minecraft dedicated servers will run off anything that can run java and java runs on pretty much everything

so you dont need a VM or to fuck with Compatibility software for hours to run it

Space engineers server software at the best of times is a pain to get working properly i really dont need linux adding several hours to that

[cinder lagoon]

it's just that Windows has really A LOT more background shit and therefore losing RAM and CPU cycles which are really precious for moddded Minecraft and probably ARK too

[mossy gull]

Same goes for FiveM.
Linux barely uses any resources which makes it very lightweight

[jade scaffold]

yea ik

my point is Minecraft has 1 thing needed to Run

said one thing is available on every major platform in the world

some games unfortunatly arent as simple

[mossy gull]

I always have to fight with Windows Security and therefore also my modem.
Which I pretty much gave up with and it works flawless on Linux

[jade scaffold]

oh i just kinda nuke windows security

[mossy gull]

Hard for me as I have a little brother who likes to do dangerous shit on the web.
I get on average 6 warnings almost each day from my modem.

[jade scaffold]

Hardware firewalls are the way

though good luck buying one

they are a lil spensive

[mossy gull]

I have a Dream Machine Pro Special Edition with a lot of PoE devices attached to it😅
So I am used to expensive.

[jade scaffold]

actually Ubiquity might make some good ones that arent that expensive

[mossy gull]

But the UDM-SE is on strict security.

[jade scaffold]

yea but they are like super easy to configure

there should be a way to change the security level on a per port basis

[mossy gull]

I even can close off Internet ports entirely 😃

[jade scaffold]

yea

[mossy gull]

The UDM is pretty advanced for its price, I seen more business expensive modems with less or worse options.

[jade scaffold]

yea Ubiquiti make just fantastic stuff

they also have really nice software that you can use to note whats pluged into where using AR on your phone

[mossy gull]

The AR stuff is really handy if you also have the humongous Ethernet switch, other than that, 8 ports are clearly numbered on the UDM-SE

[cinder lagoon]

Ubiquity is just hassle-free. dealt with them myself and it just works. Even in weird use cases.

[mossy gull]

I use to have my primary connection through another modem, but after removing that modem and directly into the UDM and got Internet flawlessly.

[cinder lagoon]

I suppose, y'all don't know of any >=IP65 rated high static pressure fans?
googled but I kinda only get crap except for a single company (nmbtc.com) that rates their fans for "harsh environmental" use.
Yes, I'm thinking about putting a rad on the outside of my IP65 case PC 😅

[sacred seal]

Why ip 65 and not 56?

[mossy gull]

I personally would just build a shroud so water has a hard time getting in.

[sacred seal]

NVM, got my numbers backwards

[cinder lagoon]

because the Case (and now the IO) I chose is IP65 rated and it makes the most sense since it's gonna be employed at construction sites

this is the case https://www.thomann.de/de/flyht_pro_wp_safe_box_5_ip65.htm

[sacred seal]

56 rated fans are far more common, and should be good enough. I bought a set for a PC in a shop after all the fans on it died

They have held up well

Hope you are not planning on putting much in the way of horses in that thing. External water cooling will help with dust, but it will still likely get hotter then it should