i want to learn german

[old sparrow]

Go to a german school, which you pay for, so there is no procastination

[inner condor]

@old sparrow then what about the people who can't afford?

[old sparrow]

then don't procrastinate

Either you're a procrastinator with money or a non-procrastinator with none

[inner condor]

Language easily comes when we used to talk with native speakers or someone at same level

[outer ether]

there is no german school in my state so maybe i should stop procrastination thanks for your advice

[shut compass]

Maybe you can try studying at library

[bold cedar]

i use seedlang rather than duolingo. i can search up thousands of words and see verb conjugations

[real drift]

Busuu is also a great app to learn a language

[timber cipher]

I mean what has been on your mind that's stopping you from doing more?

It's true that motivations necessary but I wanna see what's really the root cause

[lofty igloo]

the best is to speak to a german person. can you find a german speaker where you live? or travel to germany. at holliday you can also speak and learn

there are also language courses. you cold have a holliday and a language school in germany

[lucid prism]

The question is why are you learning?

if your future depends on it (e.g. you would like to study in Germany) then i would imagine that puts a greater pressure on you to want to learn. Alternatively if you're just learning for fun, then motivation may be difficult to come by.

[old sparrow]

erferr ekjvkeve

[outer ether]

future depends on it

[outer ether]

addiction of games maybe

[lucid prism]

is it something expected of you (by your parents, for example)? or is it something you want to do completely independent of anyone else's wants?

[outer ether]

both things

[timber cipher]

That's literally me

Hey, how about you learn languages through games?

That's such a fun way and you will start seeing visual cues that your brain can start connecting to words

I played Sims 4 a lot when I was A2 and my vocabulary was really expanded with that and supplementary practice

[outer ether]

how is that possible

[timber cipher]

What games do you play

[outer ether]

roblox

lol

well its alr i will just focus now

i will delete roblox

[timber cipher]

You can use Roblox too

It's not the best because they use a translator but some games have decent translations

[outer ether]

wdym

btw whats ur lvl in german

[lucid prism]

for me its solely the latter, my parents think its a bit of a silly goal so at this point its out of spite 🔥
but i relate, i often lack motivation

if you get distracted by games too much then i think the other guy's advice is really really good

play games in german

watch shows in german

with german subtitles

theres arguably no better way to learn for free

[outer ether]

ty for your advice i will try my best since its the only thing i can do

[timber cipher]

B2

[outer ether]

nice thats great

[bold cedar]

i play roblox too. if you're more into cop and robbers type roleplay there are tons of communities with german speakers. honestly there are so many games (outside of roblox) where you can also find germans in. its also a good way to practice speaking and listening in real time because you can speak with them with a mic (my vocab is very low so i cant tell you if its any good that way)

[sleek shore]

Hello fellow german philosopher, you inspired me to learn german

[outer ether]

ye maybe thats good way

[elder quail]

You can try to emerge yourself in german language aka spend a fuckload of time listening to german youtube videos. Im trying to do it at this exact moment so unfortunately i can't give you any tips.

also dont focus on grammar and in meantime learn some common vocab

[timber cipher]

No, you should 100% focus on grammar when you're a beginner. How else would you be able to construct sentences properly?

[bold cedar]

well how would you be able to form the sentences without the vocab? you should learn some grammar but not too extensive to where it gets too confusing

[old sparrow]

memorise dictionary

[timber cipher]

I never said not to focus on vocabulary. I responded to someone saying that you shouldn't focus on grammar but what I meant was to also focus on grammar and vocabulary.

[elder quail]

how do kids construct sentences without any grammar knowledge? Read about immersion method

[timber cipher]

Grammar is taught in school so I don't know what you're talking about when you say "without any grammatical knowledge", because children do learn grammar through conditioning and lessons in school. Immersion is important, but we aren't children who are absorbing the language like they are. It's also very important to learn grammar.

[elder quail]

but kids can speak way before going to school and learning grammar. My point was that you shouldn't sit and learn all of the grammatical rules and instead just speak and listen.

[river grail]

Immersion is very good, however it will not help you understand grammar or speak correctly, because you don't understand why sentences are structured the way they are. It will help mainly your Reading and Speaking understanding but for Speaking and Writing you will still need to sit and learn the grammar rules. Immersion could help learn set phrases, but without learning grammar, your german will be broken.

[timber cipher]

We aren't kids

We do not have the same neurological connections as a child

Nor do we create connections at a rate they do

[shut compass]

Then tell me how did learn your mother language when you were a kid? By listening to parents what they say and we repeat that.

[river grail]

That's a very very different kind of immersion

Being taught everything in a language from when you are young and only registering new things is different from watching stuff as an adult

Especially a language like German with several grammar rules, pure immersion will NOT make you fluent

[modest heath]

It's possible, just highly inefficient. Children have a 'critical period' for language acquisition that an adult cannot replicate. But an adult is smarter than a child and can leverage reasoning and structured learning to counter that "deficiency."

[elder quail]

that is what books and speaking with locals are for. Obviously if you want to become fluent at some point you should go and learn grammar but this guy wants to learn German and from my perspective understanding what people are saying is the first step.

I have actually learned a language to at least C1 level without ever learning grammar although to be fair it was in the same language grope as my native one AND I was speaking with natives daily. I still have troubles with some topics occasionally but overall I'd say 'Im decent in it

[river grail]

Books don't teach you grammar, You need to both have immersion and learn grammar. Speaking with locals isn't learning grammar, you need to actually learn why things are structured the way they are. Nobody is saying you learn grammar only and have no immersion, you need both

you can go ahead and attempt to learn german only passively without learning grammar rules, it's just a poor and very slow way to learn

And eventually you will hit several roadblocks, because you didnt learn the grammar

as a beginner, if you want to become fluent, you learn grammar and immerse yourself in the language. So you don't start by just watching german stuff, you learn grammar as a beginner as well. It helps immersion because you can understand why sentences are structured the way they are, and it reinforces your understanding

There is also the difference of understanding what is acceptable in written German and what is only colloquial speech

[elder quail]

Absolutely! That is pretty much what i said but you will face these roadblocks only way later when you'll become somewhat good. But most people dont really need/don't care about becoming fluent at this exact moment. I only said that you shouldn't really focus on grammar at the STARTING phase when you understand NOTHING.

[river grail]

I learnt grammar right at the beginning, so it differs I guess 🤷‍♀️

with presenting yourself- conjugation of sein and haben, and articles

Then it moved from there

[elder quail]

and from my understanding your language skills will grow exponentially when you start engaging with locals and focusing on vocab and listening is the fastest way to do so

[elder quail]

probably

I've always hated grammar so I've never bothered to actually learn it in any language i speak and just go freestyle using what I've heard from natives and books